MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[nomnomnom]

die ircher
VOTE: Ircher

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Mathematical Demon, to become a councillor in the future
It is a shame that they were unable to attend this meeting. I may be of demonic origin, but I have very little knowledge of the theory being graphed here. In any case, I hearby declare that all fadings shall herein be naned Axicution., as to not give the Institutionalists a competitive edge.

VOTE: Jake
Serious vote

[nomnomnom]

by the way if we could end days with a prime number of pages that would be very great thank you

[nomnomnom]

Also, why is this game so slow? Why aren't we out of RVS already?? What's going on exactly??

Yeah there's so much fluff.
I'm also uneasy seeing my game relevant post went completely unnoticed and unquestioned lmao

[nomnomnom]

I still like my vote on Jake

[nomnomnom]

by the way if we could end days with a prime number of pages that would be very great thank you

Is this the post you're talking about?

Yeah
Like somehow this got ignored but T3's post didn't
Makes me feel weird in a way

[nomnomnom]

also dgb's point is not good, scums are given fakeclaims and there's a sample town rolecard as well in the OP so this is not a good push
I'm more interested about how the game started with these weird flavor posts though, this is a weird rvs

[nomnomnom]

You're feeling pretty different this game monkey. Way less cheery than I've seen you in other games, what happen?

[nomnomnom]

You're feeling pretty different this game monkey. Way less cheery than I've seen you in other games, what happen?

I don't think this is true, but IF that's the case then you should know the reason without me explaining it.

I tend to scumread dramatic change of tones like this which is why I'm asking you, you don't carry the chaotic energy you usually carry with you, so I wanted to ask, maybe it's a real life thing

[nomnomnom]

eh, maybe it's the monkey butt avatar
your list is pretty uninspiring though, don't you wanna vote Jake with me

[nomnomnom]

eh, maybe it's the monkey butt avatar

Bingo! I'm not too proud of my reads of late, and I've lost more games than I should have.

As for voting Jake, my only concern is he wants to be voted and seems to be happy about it. That's neither Town nor Scum, but this game sis confirmed to be 10 v 3 so I'm truly puzzled.

eh I get it, it'll get better!
jake feels like fluffy posting scum and was quick to point on T3's post with fluff as well, it's also weird that a person pointing that kind of thing wouldn't point out the post I made earlier in the game, feels like following the flow since it was already pointed at by other people this game

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: MURDERCAT
this reaction feels panicky

[nomnomnom]

lol he's the one who omgused me

And yet you feel way more panicky than him for some reason

[nomnomnom]

wait that's a rule lol

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: xlos
That readslist just comes from scum.
The concern about my role post reads super fake and I'm unsure why it was brought up this late.
I also find it super dodgy that xlos would take into account that post and yet not take into account T3's post which is a much more direct claim.

[nomnomnom]

It kind of seems that you aren't really that invested in ending the day on a prime number of pages.

Why would you say that?

[nomnomnom]

Because I was asking how we could help you achieve that goal, and you didn't respond to that question.

Where?
I would have noticed someone engaging with my post if that happened.
I just checked your ISO and I don't see it.

[nomnomnom]

Xlos that was when you posted your readslist, I was expecting you to point you engaging with it beforehand, and it still doesn't explain why you don't engage with T3's claim. And as you pointed you, you're only engaging with it "because I asked to"?
This just feels like scumposting to me.

[nomnomnom]

Xlos that was when you posted your readslist, I was expecting you to point you engaging with it beforehand, and it still doesn't explain why you don't engage with T3's claim. And as you pointed you, you're only engaging with it "because I asked to"?
This just feels like scumposting to me.

I don't really understand the first part of your first sentence, can you say it again? I think there's a grammar mistake. From what I gather, you're mad that I asked the question in the readslist and not before. But you posted ignoring the question after I wrote the readlist, so I don't see why this would matter. And you're continuing to not answer the question.

I don't think you got my point in my last post either, since it should answer these concerns. I'm not sure if T3's claim is something we should be engaging in. Generally, if someone makes a weak roleclaim or indicator of their role, I don't talk about it. It may lead to giving mafia info they don't need to know. T3 said what he wanted to say about his role, and I'm not going to press him for more unless there's a real need. So the only way I'll want to talk about it is if there's an indicator that it's ok to talk about, and the only person that can give that indicator is the person who knows what the role is. In your case, you said that we could talk about it. And thus we should talk about it. But now that I'm trying to start a discussion on it, you're ignoring it, which is not the reaction that I would expect from someone genuinely interested in getting the requirement of a prime number of pages fulfilled.

I don't know how to really formulate this so I'll try my best.
The tl;dr is fhat I feel you're engaging me solely for the purpose of looking like you're discussing with people.
If you don't value claims like that and if you think discussing claims at all benefits scum, then why are you discussing this with me at all?
Do you see my point?

[nomnomnom]

Flea feels like a lazy vote to me, are we really going to vote that slot when there's more things to explore this game already?

[nomnomnom]

Flea feels like a lazy vote to me, are we really going to vote that slot when there's more things to explore this game already?

I, for one, don't particularly care for long Day 1's. We have plenty of things to analyze from the Day, and Flea is scummy enough to warrant yeeting out. Tell me I'm wrong though.

Eh

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: jake

[nomnomnom]

MURDER talk to me about Jake
I refuse to believe a Town player 15 pages in posts 358
he's been posting fluff the entire game and it bogs me nobody is actually seeing that so

[nomnomnom]

It's meta for him to entirely post fluff?
Do you have a specific game to point to so I can read it?
Also have you ever played with scum!jake and if yes, what do you think the difference is between town!jake and scum!jake?
I tend to be really offput by this kind of drive-by posting but if it's meta this is another story

[nomnomnom]

I'll make my own research then!
feeling better on the cat being town

[nomnomnom]

Flea I don't necessarily think you're scum and I kinda hate this situation because you're putting the game in a hard situation.
You kinda refuse to play so what am I supposed to do here with your slot?
Can you just please read the game? Because "I ain't going to play since there is a wagon on me" is a really bad take.

[nomnomnom]

I still need to do a meta dive on jake
@Jake do you have a specific scumgame you'd like me to look at or am I free to look at your entire history?

[nomnomnom]

See now this is an amusing thing... I'm not refusing to play.

I'm refusing to play to my meta, and refusing to make a catchup of any sort, but that's not a refusal to play.

I'm not putting effort into a game where I'm the E-1 wagon because frankly, D1 reads are freaking awful, and lets face it the majority of those pages are probably fluff anyway.

Meanwhile I got a wagon on me and I sit and look at, and work out which pushes are good, and which are bad.

Okay, so where do you think the bad pushes come from

[nomnomnom]

I ain't gonna go far with only one scumgame from Jake :/
thinking of quickhammering this because page number but that might be hasty

[nomnomnom]

eh fuck it let's see what happens
VOTE: Flea
don't want this to turn into a circular day around flea who just refuses to play
let's see the card

[nomnomnom]

wouldn't have made this hammer otherwise

[nomnomnom]

Flea The Magician 33
nomnomnom 31
Titus 27
Xlos 22
Toogeloo 18
DrippingGoofball 16
WhemeStar 15
Galron 12
theslimer3 10

what's this supposed to represent

[nomnomnom]

I'm just waiting for the flip here
I've had my fair share of scums who enjoy some theater well after their hammers

[nomnomnom]

I mean big reason why i hammered really is because I can see how this day would have gone with this shit you're doing, and I have a role that profits from doing this, so shrug

[nomnomnom]

Ok

[nomnomnom]

Honestly you're acting like Not_Mafia right now, so for the record VOTE: Flea

just for the record if Flea does actually flip town this is 90% a scumpost

[nomnomnom]

I'm sorry that I haven't been too attentive lately, I've been juggling life and work and I'm doing a terrible job at checking in. I'll try to catch up and post some reads some time in the future, but for now if anyone has any questions about anything current I'd be happy to reply when I get the time along with my catchup ~

???
This is what you post when someone just got hammered?
lol

[nomnomnom]

How rude
For real though this is bad. On top of that scum have blocked my night action so all round depressing.
VOTE: Jake

[nomnomnom]

What a pathetic PR soft, soft.

Anyone who has read my ISO knows that I've made obviously clear I have some sort of power

[nomnomnom]

If a50 promised to hammer then I guess I'll have to claim if I'm ever put at E-1, which is a shame but eh
depressing game where I'm blocked by scum

[nomnomnom]

well to be fair if this day is going to potentially end up like this I think I have no other choice but to claim because it's a foregone conclusion at this point
I'm a

prime friendly neighbor miller

, flavor name is Prime Number Theorem.
I get to be a friendly neighbor if we reach a hammer with a prime number of pages.
I targeted DBG last night, but seeing that it is hardcore advocating for my lynch I guess I've just been roleblocked by scum.
Very sad because I was envisioning this game where I get to be confirmed and able to do stuff but I guess here we are.
pedit: would literally not make sense for town to block me when I've softed my PR from the get go

[nomnomnom]

well it's either that or you're hardcore gambitting and not saying you received a confirmation I'm town, which people might start believing when I flip so
If you're actually doing that it's probably a bad move from scum!you

[nomnomnom]

I've literally softed my role from page 2

[nomnomnom]

my role is incredibly specific as well so if you want to believe I somehow made that up you're free to believe so and hammer me and it'll be a sad game from that point on

[nomnomnom]

by the way if we could end days with a prime number of pages that would be very great thank you

by the way if we could end days with a prime number of pages that would be very great thank you

by the way if we could end days with a prime number of pages that would be very great thank you

[nomnomnom]

I was thinking about saying I'm a miller but I didn't want to generate discussion that way and the fact I'm a miller doesn't matter anymore if I can confirm myself as town to people which is the entire reason why I insisted to take that hammer
and even then I was somehow roleblocked by scum and here we are

[nomnomnom]

this role is kinda evil because the more the game goes in the harder it is for us to reach a prime number of pages and considering Ircher has specific rules against hyper/spamposting I was just scared I would never get to FN anyone

[nomnomnom]

Just keep in mind that if you believe in me being scum you believe in a scum version of me that purposefully puts himself on the spot, getting a shit load of attention for myself and all by taking that hammer
Scums would have been scared to take the hammer on flea and that's why jake's post is incredibly scummy because it's not taking any risk and voting after I took the hammer

[nomnomnom]

Please just use common sense here and you'll see I literally cannot be scum here

[nomnomnom]

Day 1 VC #15 (FINAL)

DrippingGoofball (0):

Flea The Magician (7) (HAMMER @ 422): WhemeStar (189), Toogeloo (299), Titus (312), DrippingGoofball (352), Almost50 (368), T3 (398), nomnomnom (422)

, _{Jake the Wolfie (430^)}
Xlos (1): Galron (267)
Almost50 (0):
Jake The Wolfie (1): Jake The Wolfie (14)
Galron (0):
theslimer3 (1): MURDERCAT (361)
T3 (2): Xlos (244), theslimer3 (289)
Titus (0):
WhemeStar (0):
MURDERCAT (1): Flea The Magician (33)
nomnomnom (0):

Not Voting (0):

[nomnomnom]

Can't believe I'm getting strongarmed here when it's painfully obvious I'm town.
dgb is even lying to get me limmed, i softed my role and took the hammer and it insists I didn't do any of that
pedit: then why are you voting me instead of scumhunting

[nomnomnom]

I claimed my role dude
it's obvious i've been blocked because otherwise you would not have pushed me today, it's that or you're ascetic or you're gambitting scum, if you're ascetic you should probably claim that
also that's literally in my flavor description, the fact that the higher we go in numbers the less common prime numbers become, it's the basis of my role

[nomnomnom]

and if you don't want to believe me here's a page that describes what my flavor is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number_theorem
that's quite literally the first paragraph
pedit: I didn't claim miller before, I claimed miller now because that's my role, and there's also flavor as to why I'm miller in my role PM

[nomnomnom]

the miller part of my role says that the pnt is born out of many conjectures and hence I am a miller by flavor
pedit: if that was hammer that was quite stupid and I'm quite mad

[nomnomnom]

stupid game ruined by complete lack of luck and people seeing me as scum in a situation where it makes no sense to do what I did as scum
gg I guess see you next game

[nomnomnom]

and if you don't want to believe me here's a page that describes what my flavor is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number_theorem
that's quite literally the first paragraph
pedit: I didn't claim miller before, I claimed miller now because that's my role, and there's also flavor as to why I'm miller in my role PM

So, to reiterate, you claimed miller day 2.

And OF COURSE you were blocked.

Yes, I have to claim because you're strongarming people into limming me without discussion and someone said they would hammer me if I reached E-1 I'm forced to claim
i'm not happy I got blocked either, trust me, and you'll see that for yourself when I get inevitably hammered here

[nomnomnom]

if I didn't get blocked we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place

[nomnomnom]

DGB is probably still town and that's why I targeted the slot
I can't say much more as to why I targeted it in the first place though

[nomnomnom]

nomnomnom literally can't die and he then townslipped. Thank you, experimental activity rules.

i was confused by the "literally cannot die" part I literally forgot there was a rule preventing my lim LOL
confusing rules you have there Ircher

[nomnomnom]

The pool is Wheme Toog Titus A50.

how is jake not in the pool

[nomnomnom]

the miller part of my role says that the pnt is born out of many conjectures and hence I am a miller by flavor
pedit: if that was hammer that was quite stupid and I'm quite mad

Your rolecard would say explicitly that you're a miller.

it does, I was just saying the flavor explanation that goes with it

[nomnomnom]

the miller part of my role says that the pnt is born out of many conjectures and hence I am a miller by flavor
pedit: if that was hammer that was quite stupid and I'm quite mad

Your rolecard would say explicitly that you're a miller.

it does, I was just saying the flavor explanation that goes with it

I struggle to believe a miller friendly neighbor claim. What's the point of a miller that can clear itself?

You can ask ircher about that after the game
I would have claimed miller if i was plain miller, the only reason I didn't is because I thought it would be easy to clear myself and the only thing I needed for that is to fulfill the condition

[nomnomnom]

also outing that I need the day to end on a prime number of pages is a soft and a big one
like do you really expect me to not only soft a hard condition to reach but also my entire role???
I outed the only part that was important to me, which was to make sure we ended the day on a prime number of pages

[nomnomnom]

like it's not as easy here to claim miller because if i instantly claim miller I open myself to get E-1'd or limmed on day 1 and then my role is wasted or I simply die
and if I survive and there's a vig I eat the vig shot 90% of the time which also makes my role completely useless
I don't want to claim miller in a scenario where I can confirm myself

[nomnomnom]

You can ask ircher about that after the game
I would have claimed miller if i was plain miller, the only reason I didn't is because I thought it would be easy to clear myself and the only thing I needed for that is to fulfill the condition

Why not just full claim D1? Everyone would be on board with ending the days on a prime number of pages. Now that you claim miller in the face of a softed guilty is just bad.

You also had no way of knowing we'd end on 19 pages D1.

We can spend days talking about why I didn't X or Y but at the end of the day I went with this line of play because I considered it to be correct.
Plus if I was scum DGB would have died last night.
I don't claim miller for fun as scum.

[nomnomnom]

Is it odd of me to anticipate the derivation of variable pleasure from the present company?

I hate to out this but that's the reason.
This looked like a contrived post that would come from a PR.
I went day 1 with the notion that I should look for any sign of a cop since I'm miller, and at night I deliberated the most likely cop or invest in this game was DGB. That's the literal only reason why I chose it to be my target last night.
If I was scum DGB would be dead.

[nomnomnom]

Like that's really the only reason why I didn't claim miller. If I can successfully see any sign of an invest/cop in this game, I just target them with my FN and that's a problem solved.

[nomnomnom]

I already explained why I didn't claim miller day 1

[nomnomnom]

Yes.
I didn't expect not only for a cop to check me n1 but also for my FN to get blocked so you know.

[nomnomnom]

...I also said that. I think a scum roleblocked me, I refuse to believe a town roleblocker would block me here considering my very early post

[nomnomnom]

...I also said that. I think a scum roleblocked me, I refuse to believe a town roleblocker would block me here considering my very early post

Why wouldn't scum roleblock me LOL

DIE SCUM

That's a good question, why did you get a result if I'm scum
the answer for that is very simple and when you have that answer you'll unvote me

[nomnomnom]

How is this even a scumpost
it's obvious someone making this kind of post after someone got hammered if incredibly suspicious is the hammered person flips town
it's like a scum that doesn't want to take any risk

[nomnomnom]

It doesn't matter anyway cuz no matter how I say it I'm going to get flipped here so
I guess it's my fault for not instantly claiming miller day 1 :/

[nomnomnom]

That's a good question, why did you get a result if I'm scum

You might have searched for crumbs TODAY and not at night.

As I said the literal only reason you were my target is because I instantly spotted the crumb at the beginning
if I was scum you would have died 100%

[nomnomnom]

I am pretty perceptive as a player and I spot this kind of thing easily, and that's pretty obvious if you were to look at my scum meta where a good majority of the time I find PRs day 1 and they get nightkilled, and in a scum pt I would have access to other scums who I would talk to pretty heavily about crumbs. You can check my entire meta.
For your world where I am scum to exist you would have to believe that I deliberately chose, as scum, to do moves to put myself on the forefront for absolutely no reason, missed your crumb (which was fairly obvious), and somehow claimed miller just for fun as well
Do you know how unlikely that is
pedit: I got roleblocked so unless a town roleblocker wants to come forward and admit they've blocked me, there's a scum roleblocker

[nomnomnom]

Like I said I got shafted by a serious unlucky set of events where what I set out to do was literally stifled which resulted in my play completely backfiring on me
It's okay if you don't believe me, at least just understand I tried, I hate looking stupid and people will probably blame me after I flip for making what they perceive to be a dumb move, there's a method to the madness here

[nomnomnom]

i guess DGB could just be lying and received my FN but is just gambitting and will claim tomorrow that I played badly and shrug it off or something, but again I don't believe that

[nomnomnom]

there's a method to the madness here

There's literally no method to the madness because we don't know what the alleged pay off is.

The pay off is:
I am literally confirmed

[nomnomnom]

a good majority of the time I find PRs day 1 and they get nightkilled

So who was nightkilled and what was their power?

Okay I'll play:
what's your NKA on murdercat
do you see any obvious crumb in murder's iso
if you're going to make garbage argument at least prove it

[nomnomnom]

I'll out myself as well as it is necessary. I am a 2-Shot Roleblocker, and I blocked nom³.

fucking christ man
oh my god

[nomnomnom]

The depression is settling in for real
What a disaster of a game

[nomnomnom]

Jake, nom claimed to have targeted me with Friendly Neighbor.

yes and now it's confirmed I actually got roleblocked which is why you didn't receive it
do you believe me now or

[nomnomnom]

the level of despair i feel cannot be put into words
thankfully my evening is full of pizza and watching the football game so I'm just gonna do that and try to forget about this disaster for a while

[nomnomnom]

arguing about semantics yada yada
later, hope belgium's winning tonight

[nomnomnom]

This game is hilariously depressing.
The depressing fact really isn't that I'm gotta get limmed, it really is the scolding I'll receive when I do flip and then I'm going to get blamed for not doing something they deem optimal and get blamed for this loss when this game ends cuz I don't see us recovering after this.
Deadass probably even more depressing than that one micro i lost for town, I guess I'm just bad.
VOTE: nom just hammer me and get this over with.

[nomnomnom]

That being said I think nom putting themselves at e-1 and not hammering is kinda meant to cut off discussion. I think scum hate what I am doing.

Intent to hammer after lunch

Oh look a scum that is scared of making themselves look bad by hammering me because they know I'm town
What's wrong? Hammer me

[nomnomnom]

really this game is a disaster and I'm going to get limmed because I got shafted with what I was trying to do and people straight up don't believe me, so the only thing I have left is to expose scums here for later days
come on, be the lucky guy that hammers me, I dare you

[nomnomnom]

What's wrong? You don't actually want me lynched? :O
hmmmmmm

[nomnomnom]

Nobody took the hammer? How strange
I definitely think scum is afraid of hammering me here, my flip will change a lot about this game
I need to reset mentally, I'll give this game a reread tomorrow
UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

A50 I'm curious, why are you so sure I'm town?
I mean you've gone to the length of calling people bad for scumreading me so I am actually curious about your thought process

[nomnomnom]

I think A50's idea is sound enough.
I already claimed Prime Number Theorem so my cards are already on the table

[nomnomnom]

??
I claimed my role seeing that you tried strongarming people into a fast lim on me, I had no choice but to claim
If you're trying to say that I only claimed miller because I thought you had a guilty, then explain to me how I magically conjured up the perfect claim to counter your specific type of guilty as scum. I would have to have pretty telepathic abilities to do that, don't you think?
I'm just miller, and people don't believe me because I didn't play in a way they deemed optimal. I played according to what I thought was best for my role. That is all.

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to paranoia on DGB actually being scum with a rolecop here, would make sense as to how it pushed me and literally doesn't want to reconsider a cop guilty when I claimed miller before it even said what type of guilty it had
it's possible, am I going full paranoid here?? ergh

[nomnomnom]

I'm starting to paranoia on DGB actually being scum with a rolecop here, would make sense as to how it pushed me and literally doesn't want to reconsider a cop guilty when I claimed miller before it even said what type of guilty it had
it's possible, am I going full paranoid here?? ergh

Why wouldn't DGB just claim tracker or watcher then?

If it did then it would have proven to be lying by now and it would have gotten limmed instead, you've answered your own question

??
I claimed my role seeing that you tried strongarming people into a fast lim on me, I had no choice but to claim
If you're trying to say that I only claimed miller because I thought you had a guilty, then explain to me how I magically conjured up the perfect claim to counter your specific type of guilty as scum. I would have to have pretty telepathic abilities to do that, don't you think?
I'm just miller, and people don't believe me because I didn't play in a way they deemed optimal. I played according to what I thought was best for my role. That is all.

Cop is the most common type of guilty. Your team could have investigated DGB as well.

Okay I'll play.
Let's imagine the world where I am scum here.
I got roleblocked last night by Toog, that is confirmed by them. A kill happened last night, and in a world I am scum it can't possibly come from me. So that means in that hypothetical world I am scum, you are banking your theory that the third partner had to be some sort of investigative that targeted DBG. That is very unlikely, and that wasn't was happened.
Ockam's razor says I am simply town here. Think about it two seconds.

[nomnomnom]

I claimed my role
pedit: look listen we can make a deal and you can leash my FN to someone if you're so scared of me being scum and trying some play
at some point scums have to kill me or I'm confirmed, you're making the game easy for scums by limming me today

[nomnomnom]

Like really as much as you think my role is stupid it's my role, if I was scum making a fakeclaim it'd look way more convincing than that and I've been nommed for brilliant fakeclaims before it's not pure hubris
I came in today feeling so bad because I have the kind of role people simply won't believe because it sounds outlandish and they just see my play as bad play, but again I played like this for a reason, if I can confirm myself I don't need to claim miller and eat a vig shot in the process, good way to waste my role
just give me a chance to confirm myself and allow scums to make a mistake here, by not limming me you are forcing scums to make a decision around my slot and you'll see i'm not lying

[nomnomnom]

like we wouldn't be in this mess if toog didn't roleblock me for starters, i just got entirely shafted, people wouldn't go around claiming my play to be garbage for not claiming miller day 1 if I didn't get blocked and you did receive my FN because then you'd understand my process and understand i'm just town

[nomnomnom]

like we wouldn't be in this mess if toog didn't roleblock me for starters, i just got entirely shafted, people wouldn't go around claiming my play to be garbage for not claiming miller day 1 if I didn't get blocked and you did receive my FN because then you'd understand my process and understand i'm just town

If you were town, you'd be screaming that Toog is a scum roleblocker.

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense
Like if they're a scum roleblocker that blocked my ass why would they come forward and say they roleblocked me? Claiming they roleblocked me here actually feels pretty town to me, scum would just happy to let me get limmed and entertain the theory that I'm just a lying bitch lmao, the only thing claiming a roleblock on me does is proving I'm not lying about any of this shit and that my role is real
your arguments are so bad you don't even think them through and i'm starting to think you might actually be bullshitting me with your weird 1-shot cop claim to make me look even worse and literally lying about things that happened this game and making nonsensical arguments to somehow prove I am scum

[nomnomnom]

Nom, if you had just claimed miller D1 you wouldn't have been checked. Anyone who would have claimed to check you woulx probably be axed.

In addition, you probably wouldn't have been rolevlocked (although that depends on the whims of the roleblocker)

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense

They're your buddy covering yo'ass
and
they hope they can pass as town roleblocker

How can you not see that? It's pretty obvious.

[nomnomnom]

whoops weird reply, meant to quote

Nom, if you had just claimed miller D1 you wouldn't have been checked. Anyone who would have claimed to check you woulx probably be axed.

In addition, you probably wouldn't have been rolevlocked (although that depends on the whims of the roleblocker)

I tried something else man, I didn't want to claim miller and get my ass vigged when I'm a form of invest that can get themselves confirmed so I tried something else

Why would a scum roleblocker claim they blocked me it makes literally no sense

They're your buddy covering yo'ass
and
they hope they can pass as town roleblocker

How can you not see that? It's pretty obvious.

you're entertaining theories that make no sense
first of all I'm not scum so no I'm not going to see your weirdass theories about Toog being my partner
second of all you're basically asking me to believe in a version of the game where Toog claims roleblocker to gain townpoints and risk saving a town player that is looking extremely bad (aka me) rather than shutting the hell up and cackling as I get lynched, it's a strategical bad choice coming from scum and it's less likely. Then again this is mafia and people can make weird ass plays for a myriad of reasons but let's be real here Toog is in the vast majority of cases town here. I refuse to believe he comes today and claims the roleblock on me as scum.

[nomnomnom]

as I get limmed* I am really sorry and I'm going to get scolded again for this jesus christ

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball that insistence on Toog being scum and dgb insisting to try and fit every scenario into me being scum without any real consideration, plus the weird 1-shot claim, plus the no reconsideration when I claimed miller before any type of guilty was claimed is just not right

Okay I'll play.
Let's imagine the world where I am scum here.
I got roleblocked last night by Toog, that is confirmed by them. A kill happened last night, and in a world I am scum it can't possibly come from me. So that means in that hypothetical world I am scum, you are banking your theory that the third partner had to be some sort of investigative that targeted DBG. That is very unlikely, and that wasn't was happened.
Ockam's razor says I am simply town here. Think about it two seconds.

I'm not depending on you and Toog being partners, although it would make things easier. You'd just have to know someone blocked you as scum. There are several avenues towards this without having Toog be scum. Some of them include you being a straight up goon.

I don't get the same Razor calculations that you do at all.

okay so your theory is that I might be scum that knows I got blocked
I'll give it to you it's possible
That still doesn't explain how, as scum, I could magically predict that DGB is cop here. Like yeah it's the easiest deduction to make but everyone knows on this site that cop is a role that doesn't make it often into games because it's seen as strong and bad design and moderators prefer to put other invests in games. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.
The only reason I suspected DGB might be cop with a guilty on me is because I'm miller so i know there's a higher chance of a cop being here, that's the simplest explanation.
I am just town and I got seriously unlucky this game by getting blocked

Edit: Vote adjusted for VCer.
~Ircher

[nomnomnom]

Nom, talk to me about your nonDGB reads.

DGB, talk to me about your nomnomnom reads.

This 1 v 1 makes it harder to read the rest of the game.

try saying nonnomnomnom 5 times really fast you're in for a trip
as I said I think toog is town, no reason for them to out their roleblock on me from my POV as scum, definitely town
I've had town gutpings on Xlos and A50 before
Also I saw nobody talking about this, nobody did a wagon analysis on Flea before which is weird

Flea The Magician (7) (HAMMER @ 422): WhemeStar (189), Toogeloo (299), Titus (312), DrippingGoofball (352), Almost50 (368), T3 (398), nomnomnom (422), Jake the Wolfie (430^)

There's almost certainly scum on that wagon right, and I think Toog is most definitely town, I am town, and I've got gutpings on A50 being town here, so like again there should be scum in {wheme,Titus,T3,Jake} (i count him in despite him not counting for the hammer just because of how he voted on Flea)
I think Jake looks the worst here but I'm curious about you guys opinion on this, like there must be scum that has created this wagon in the first place

@Titus

: you have history with mathblade I wanna know your thoughts about him so far, I've had some pings about the fact he didn't want to hammer me and from my POV that just could be scum that is scared of making me flip

[nomnomnom]

I forgot DGB in there you get the idea

[nomnomnom]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

Scums are given fakeclaims so it's still possible that while the flavor is possible the claim itself is bogus.

[nomnomnom]

DGB's claim is probably real by the virtue of my flavor being second deriv and DGB being first deriv.

Scums are given fakeclaims so it's still possible that while the flavor is possible the claim itself is bogus.

You're not convincing me that DGB's claim is bogus here unless it's S v S.

DGB doesn't come accusing you immediately unless it knows you flip red (or miller). Trading 1 for 1 with someone who is miselimination bait makes no sense.

in a world where DGB is scum, it does this play specifically because it knows I'm miller and knows it can get away with it, that's my point

[nomnomnom]

DGB softed the guilty prior to your miller claim.

No you fail to see what I'm trying to say.
I am saying that DGB could have just done all of this because it learned my role overnight and decided to claim a guilty on me knowing I'd claim miller. That's my point.

[nomnomnom]

You're refusing to actually understand why I didn't claim miller and you're refusing to talk about reads.

You want to end the day on a prime number page? Spam.

The rules specifically forbid people from doing that which is why this role is harder to activate.

[nomnomnom]

Mod: What page did day 1 end on? Page 19 or page 17?

Page 19.

Wait what
I thought twilight didn't count
jesus

[nomnomnom]

We really probably should take a deep look at that d1 wagon and see where the scum is and debate between ourselves about it.
Toog isn't it for starters, Titus.
Titus probably town for actually bothering to sort me out and drive discussion, ++town right there

[nomnomnom]

We really probably should take a deep look at that d1 wagon and see where the scum is and debate between ourselves about it.
Toog isn't it for starters, Titus.
Titus probably town for actually bothering to sort me out and drive discussion, ++town right there

Ewwww....Nom + Titus?

Ewwww

*Shivers*

Do you disagree?
Surely the scums were on the Day 1 wagon right? What's wrong with any of what I said?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nom

What's wrong is that Titus didn't want me to hammer you then has a theory you're town and doesn't explain any of it hardly at all and then you back her up because she's defending you. It's very very ugly.

And now that you can't quick hammer without both Titus and you (assuming you're both scum) here's my vote.

If Titus actually believes you're town then she'll have to put up or shut up.

This is a very ugly attack, trying to push me because I recognize someone trying to sort me out as townie and trying to frame it as impossible.
math gaining scumpoints very rapidly!

This is on page 18 rolling into 19. I don't doubt for a minute now that nomnomnom has a role that benefits from being on a prime number. I think he had a problem with understanding his role and got lucky the game rolled onto page 19. nom likely thought the day ended with hammer rather than including twilight. Otherwise that post is really odd to start the defense before getting guiltied.

The issue then becomes that nom³ is now required to have the mod end the day on a favorable page. What if the mod is busy and can't end the day on a prime number page?

Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.

[nomnomnom]

@nomnomnom and Toog, Thoughts on my readslist?

I've already mentioned I think Toog is absolutely not scum with how he approached this whole thing today.
I also agree with your take on A50.
I have my doubts about Xlos and I ain't sure I want to pursue there.
I think Jake would be a good vote.
I haven't thought about Wheme much tbh, I've forgotten about him being in the game. Could be scum? Maybe?

[nomnomnom]

math doing it just now is weird especially when he was offered the possibility to hammer me earlier
hmmmmmmmm

@nomnomnom and Toog, Thoughts on my readslist?

Well, for starters, you have me as probable scum. How do you think I'll think of your read list?

Eliminating one of either DGB or nom³ is the most practical play today, with nom³ being the smart move.

After that is settled, the A50 stuff probably needs resolution.

It's not smart, you are basically negating the possibility of me confirming myself and making the job easy for scum.
If I don't get limmed today and we end the day on prime then scums have to make a choice around me and running the risk of me being confirmed. That's a much smarter play than me getting limmed and everyone facepalming as they see my flip.

[nomnomnom]

Well first of all I assumed like any reasonable person that the day ends with a hammer, at which point we enter twilight.
Ircher doesn't consider that to be end of day and enters twilight, so I got confused. Now I just understand with my role in the game we basically need to all coordinate to preserve page hammer = to day end, which means little to no twilight posting. I should have asked I guess but I thought how it worked was obvious.

Holding Twilight discussion hostage seems like something scum would want though. Plus, it really just doesn't make sense. Assuming you knew that EoD was based on mod closure, how do you effectively use your role without broadcast advertising people not to spam twilight ahead of time?

I didn't know my role worked like that in the first place
also the latter part is why I immediately that, I cannot FN people without coordination.

[nomnomnom]

Roles are meant for you to have a little control, but you have almost no control over yours because you are at the mercy of the mod and spammy players.

And again... The Miller being scanned by the 1 Shot Cop Night 1 is just a statistical anomaly.

Yes, I have little control, and it's harder to activate with Ircher's rule in place about spamposting. That's quite literally the flavor of the PNT: the longer the game goes, the harder it is to reach prime numbers.
On the flipside if everyone agrees to do exactly that to contribute to me being able to confirm myself, anyone that actually disrupts it is scummy as hell.
You could say the same thing about me being also roleblocked by you, mind you. Statistical anomaly

[nomnomnom]

The way I understand it is that nomnomnom can only act on prime ends, not that he gets additional power from prime ends.

correct

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nom

[nomnomnom]

Shoot DGB