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[ActionDan]

Giys. I am so so happy. Great night I had irl. Love the playerlist. First game on this site since what feels like for ever.

Like fever dream.

Gl all. Had a couple questions to ask mod will sober up and ask them when I'm thinking straight.

VOTE: T3

[ActionDan]

I skimmed first two pages, almost
r u drunk posting like me? First of your posts looks townish. That is "I'm busy" ever so slightly town. Ightly harder to evaluate if druck posting.

[ActionDan]

What, you asking if the mod if it's Red Mafia and Blue Mafia or something? Last normal I played in did that.

Also for my safety I'm assuming each scum team has atleast 3 members and maybe a random Serial Killer/Vigilante to add to the kills. I forget how Serial Killers work in multiball.

So I'm assuming we got 10 townies atleast tho.

Friend do you really think 3/3 is possible here? I mean truly

[ActionDan]

If you not drunk then your flipplish remark is slightly towny because scum generally have more of an inhibit or from posting like that

[ActionDan]

Are you listening to yourself. I am enjoying your nutso hypothetical, bUT goodness. Please tell me how town wins the 1 town v 2 v 3

[ActionDan]

Sotry 2 town v 2 v 3

[ActionDan]

God I love your optimism. Would hug you. But no real sorry to say unless meta has changed drastically buy 3/3 ain't happening shy of 20/21 players on this site. 2/2/1 maybe 3/1 most likely still have a question to ask mod pertaining to that

[ActionDan]

@MOD

Setup Information

All scum parties are default-multitasking.
There are two scum parties.

The verbiage suggests there are multiple(2) anti-town factions consisting of more than one member. Could you confirm this is the case? If not, is it then a possibility that one "scum party" consists of a single member, i.e., what we'd think of as a traditional third party?

Can I take it to mean that "multitasking" means scum members can use both factional and active abilities at the same time? Otherwise, what does this mean?

[ActionDan]

Ok lovely thank you. The definitions for multiball were always a tad murky to me.

Kitty, how many times have you experienced an early RVS wagon formed by scum as opposed to one formed by town?

[ActionDan]

Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.

Are you attributing this stance to kitty? If so could you indicate where this occurs in his posts, or otherwise what you mean and in either case why this makes you lean town on kitty.

[ActionDan]

I can take a wagon so you can pressure me, but considering I'm a liar you know I won't claim VT anyway even if I am one, so I'd say go after a better player atm. Titus is a good player to be able to read early so I'm starting there.

Is this a joke? Have you actually claimed non-VT as VT? How do you plan to read Titus early from your vote, and if it's related to pressure of some sort, what do you hope to accomplish when you announce it?

[ActionDan]

ActionDan gets a lot of townpoints for this. If he were scum then he would already know what parties and multitasking mean from his role PM/scum PT. I also don't think him asking is faked because he didn't do it in an overly showy way and he appeared to have looked at the rules with detail.

As HEM has said, I'd like to think I can fake that as scum. My main goal though is simply eliminating the possibility that his is 3/1. I think we are likely in 2/2/1 or else 3/3 where there's a restriction on factional killing power (like one team is odd night kills, other team is even etc.)

[ActionDan]

Pressure is pretty good. These dayphases are less then a week so getting it early who we can trust is imperitive. Pressure works one of two ways: blunt tag-team or public attack.

Public attack means the entire town turns on one person and they react accordingly. It's effective but doesn't usually end with the target living.

Blunt tag-team means we'll work together to read a player better by encouraging them specifically to give more content. This way every one wins.

If this is your stance then why have you seemingly selected the first path in regards to titus?

[ActionDan]

In the game I linked I, a scumbuddy, and someone who later turned out to be a traitor pushed a LHF townie early.

I think this is where I got the idea that early wagons often have scum on them. Too little of a sample size however.

I looked at the first few pages. It looks like the LHF you are referring to is Cabd (which is funny considering he's a decent oldtimer) but the first RVS wagon was actually on scum you. A bit of a strange conclusion even with a sample size of 1

[ActionDan]

@Cyrus: That isn't an RVS vote and you will have to explain yourself. Please show gameplay you think exemplifies HEM's town play and tell me why it is different than what you see here (and how you can determine that in 6 pages).

[ActionDan]

I am not willing to trust Cyrus's meta read on principle, even though it's clear where it comes from.

Cyrus is probably town for angle shooty reasons.

[ActionDan]

It's incredibly hard to believe you thought you'd accomplish anything with that that couldn't have otherwise been asked directly to titus

[ActionDan]

Hello excuse me I'm KittyTacky and I don't like wagons because wagons are scummy only scum make wagons

a lot of HEM's posting is this sort of shading garbage
basically a mockumentary presentation of someone else's posting ascribing scum motivation to it

Do you think its unreasonable to think there is scum motivation to it? Is the posting shading if he voted kitty in short order right after?

[ActionDan]

Okay I understand. I am not the best at making alignment indicative conjectures based on tonal reads which is close to what I think you are doing. I do think the diction/rhetoric he choose to get his points across could have been better, but I do think they are otherwise fine.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I continue to think the attempt to vote Titus for pressure was simply not organic.

[ActionDan]

kitty's posting so far looks pretty thoughtful so I'm thinking they're town for that

You say this but its hard to measure how thoughtful they really are when consistently they've been forced to concede that their thoughts to start out with were flimsy. I wouldn't say they've completely cracked under pressure though.

[ActionDan]

well normally if I had the thought "hmm, I'd like to find out if Titus is town," my first idea would not be to vote them and publicly declare it was to provoke a reaction, which clearly defeats the purpose. If you don't think the person is doing enough, simply asking them for thoughts can be sufficient. There is also of course material they've posted that can be questioned (I was able to), of which you tacitly admit by saying that "Titus continues to solve the game" which implies they were posting relevant thoughts. Your phrasing also implies that Titus was doing standard town things by solving the game, so again it calls into question your impetus for the idea that you needed to figure out if Titus was town.

[ActionDan]

It feels a little surreal talking to you because it does not appear you have other scumhunting techniques aside from reaction tests. Dunnstral is right there, you are able to ask him about the game if you'd like

[ActionDan]

It's tedium.

Almost can you provide an example of the meta you are claiming Elsa exhibits consistently? I'd like to 2nd Titus's request of ndMath to show which posts of hers surrounding Kitty ndMath liked.

[ActionDan]

Everyone is thinking I'm not touching this did he just refer to him self in 2and 3dr person lol

Not only that, but I can guarantee you no one is actually reading any of your back and forth with nero with more than a passing glance, you will never become the target of two nightkills, and that your scumreads will not be taken seriously.

[ActionDan]

This page didn't do much for me but I dunno if that FOS on GE aka Gamma Emerald aka Greatest Eboi from Almost was a joke or not

But GE is town.

Also I'm sorry.

[ActionDan]

Unvote

For the time being.

I'd like to digest the last few pages when I can find some time. There are also a couple key players I'd like to see enter the game right about now.

Please use the unvote tag. UNVOTE: - By Sirius9121

[ActionDan]

522 was one of the two posts I was waiting for.

Don't even need to double check things to know Iec is town from it.

(I will though)

[ActionDan]

I assume from the thing you also realized I was town (when I mock did it myself)? I didn't discover it until late; impressed you got it right away. If I was scum I'd be jerking off in the PT. (as I assume you would)

[ActionDan]

still busy with peoples though. bbl

[ActionDan]

Oh no, has to do with something else. Not my thing to reveal though.

[ActionDan]

Well bit of a slog catching up.

Firstly its so nice just having some more sane people playing. I was slowly losing my mind reading the thread up until Iec's entrance.

I think Gamma/Iec/Titus/Cyrus are town without equivocation. Also very much liking Testa's entrance as well.

My priority is to sort Elsa and Kitty. Both egregiously play against their alignment whatever it may be, which generally I don't try to fault the players for but each has both had multiple games of experience on site and each has had the audacity on different occasions to refer to other players as "LHF" and "stupid town" and "miselim bait".

I have no idea how I will do that with Kitty. In a vacuum their recent vote looks both shallow, opportunistic, and not original. This lazy posting isn't new. Perhaps some sort of meta dive has to be done just like it must be done for Elsa.

I'm going to read the game Iec linked to see if this is standard for her town play too or if I notice any relevant differences. @Almost unless I missed it I'd still like a scum game of Elsa's. It's been my interpretation that your vote on Elsa is serious and that you think they are acting as they do when scum.

Finally with regards to HEM I will check whether his queries have amounted to substantive scumhunting or if they are but puffed up chestbeating as Gamma/Iec think. My impression of the slot is that I tend to agree with the content he says, which is always a good sign but have not established a stronger town read because of the way he says it.

I did not find the series of posts that made ndMath townread Titus particularly convincing. The first was nonsense, and the latter two are imo bland.

[ActionDan]

I read through the isos of you and elsa in the game you linked Iec. The only thing I can say for sure is that each set of posts from him are all equally vapid. I'd need a scum game of his to compare to see if there's any noticeable difference there. This is where you come in @Almost, hit me up

[ActionDan]

I think Gamma/Iec/Titus/Cyrus are town without equivocation. Also very much liking Testa's entrance as well.

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I did not find the series of posts that made ndMath townread Titus particularly convincing. The first was nonsense, and the latter two are imo bland.

Why do you townread Titus?

These posts:

I feel both Dan and Cyrus are town. Dan's townie for calling out Cyrus's vote as not RVS. Cyrus is town for sticking his neck out early in a way that could get him heat.

I don't like meta reads generally but I feel good intent from Cyrus.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

If you were intending to pressure me, you never stated what for. You never attempted to sort out what posts of mine needed sorting, which my bonehead post on Kitty could have. You never ask for my opinion. Your post was glorified RVS at best, when we're out of RVS.

What's your read on monkey?

The vote on Cyrus helped too.

[ActionDan]

Ya preferably would like an elsa jay scum game as opposed to a bambi jay one in case they deliberately play different on the other account. (hard to imagine but would rather reduce foreign variables)

[ActionDan]

Can we trust that you're not fakeclaiming to push through an elimination.

[ActionDan]

I googled "films called neighbor" and found a film done in 1920 so I pretended to typo 1920 in my first post.

That seems to actually hold up.

Sure I'm happy to go with it. Saves me a meta dive

Would like to see Andres post once.

[ActionDan]

I mean I don't care. If Elsa is town, T3 takes a dive after.

[ActionDan]

Its not actually, more a problem in single ball.

[ActionDan]

I mean I don't care. If Elsa is town, T3 takes a dive after.

I don't think that really follows, unless Normals don't allow this in 2021. I don't know how warped the Normal meta has become, in terms of things being "too zany for a Normal."

Its not actually, more a problem in single ball.

How do you figure? I think Elsa is right that bloodthirstiness points toward town, all things being equal, because both teams are happy to sheep it, and there are more total scum to sheep. I don't follow how HEM would be "gaslit" in this situation, though.

I'd like to think it's redundant to have two town neighborizers (with different x-shots values no less), so if 1 flips town I'm going to want to eliminate the other post haste.

I'd say it's easier to form wagons and push through an elimination for that reason, but I wouldn't agree that that means its a bad sign. any single scumteam is much more vulnerable because they're playing 2/3 vs the rest instead of in singleball where it's 4 vs the rest, and they simply cannot offer resistance even if they might want to. Its a much worse sign in singleball to have a wagon without any resistance because then you know the scumteam seems completely fine with the elimination.

[ActionDan]

Tbf I was in a normal game awhile ago where I was a gunsmith and FL was a 6x gunsmith but we were both town

I think this is inherently bastard imo. I do not think you should be able to subvert expectations that much and this goes beyond outguess the mod. I'm hoping such a thing is a one-off and not the standard.

[ActionDan]

fwiw Andres joined this game because I asked him too, and I know he was stretched thin already.

Skimmed and saw the scum claim. I can hammer whenever if elsa is E-1.

I think town's in a good spot. In case I'm dead tomorrow I would like people to stop wasting their time with gamma/cyrus, both are town, continue on that path and I'll be their weapon. @Dunn re:Iec meta read mostly, his takes aren't that bad in that they are all plausible.

[ActionDan]

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

Also, I'm interested in hearing if anybody disagrees with any of this

I'd argue nero has a chance to be a partner

[ActionDan]

All the more we need to wait for feedback from Iecerint, Andres, and Arcangel.

It would be nice but it's non-essential. they likely will all be here D2.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Before I go. Like justice kavanaugh, I like beer.

But I also like guns.

As for this day? Borat would say, Great Success!

A bit of both nero

[ActionDan]

Don't worry I understand. It was possibly some malicious trolling without saying why precisely.

[ActionDan]

I don’t know if this is justified but I get the feeling A50 did me dirty this game

He clearly caught your crumb, broadcasted it, and trolled you.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: Almost50
Prepare to get greatest plan’ed

Also, my favorite Pokémon Rangers game is Guardian Signs jsyk

I don't even know what this means exactly, but I wanted to include it in the catch up in case it did make sense later on.

He obviously knew what it meant. You'd have to be blind not to see the crumb if you took 2 secs to actually look at the post. But he posted it anyway. I thought he was doing it to showcase it to the other team.