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Good. Let's avoid Yggdrasil again.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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It has to do with NDMath's activity level. If she's more active, she has more room to be wrong. I scumread her vocally and incorrectly because she lurked and defended scum. The misleading mod statement didn't help.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are we avoiding Yggdrasil?
As far as I can tell the main issues were the mod issues and the resulting town stomp
Assuming we’re concerned about mod issues, why would those have to do with T3’s post?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I apologize for the misgendering.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I actually like Kitty as town. Saying this is all bullshit in a sea of mechanics talk is a good position.
I'm sick of the mechanics talk too. The setup will reveal itself with time.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Not sure I agree with this. Even if Elsa flips scum, it's a factor, not a confirmation. It could be a pocket.In post 96, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Well, I guess Elsa can't be TMI about KittyTacky's town alignment because there are two scum teams in this game. So maybe if KittyTacky flips town, Elsa's town as well. Otherwise, if KittyTacky flips scum, there's an obvious connection to be made that Elsa is partners with Kitty.
This depends on Elsa scum first.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I thought Kitty did but when I went to find it, I couldn't. I'm just batshit tired lately. Work has me super stressed.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Acceptable but we do it with flips. Anything else just gives away role information and gives scum a place to hide.In post 129, KittyTacky wrote:I don't like this. Mechanics talk is how we figure out the setup-- that's hard to do with just flips.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Elsa should be replaced with Kitty in this post.In post 102, Titus wrote:
Not sure I agree with this. Even if Elsa flips scum, it's a factor, not a confirmation. It could be a pocket.In post 96, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Well, I guess Elsa can't be TMI about KittyTacky's town alignment because there are two scum teams in this game. So maybe if KittyTacky flips town, Elsa's town as well. Otherwise, if KittyTacky flips scum, there's an obvious connection to be made that Elsa is partners with Kitty.
This depends on Elsa scum first.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I feel both Dan and Cyrus are town. Dan's townie for calling out Cyrus's vote as not RVS. Cyrus is town for sticking his neck out early in a way that could get him heat.
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VOTE: Elsa Jay
If you were intending to pressure me, you never stated what for. You never attempted to sort out what posts of mine needed sorting, which my bonehead post on Kitty could have. You never ask for my opinion. Your post was glorified RVS at best, when we're out of RVS.
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I'm very ok with my Elsa Jay vote.
Town want to scumhunt every day.
If you believe my track record is good at finding scum, then why are you wanting to do a pressure vote on me before I even generate those reads? Why not instead give me the tools to find scum and see what I do with them?
I also do not appreciate your hedge on hem.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Good luck.In post 187, Nero Cain wrote:I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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If you don't back off from this point, I am vote locking you. Everyone deserves a chance to fucking play the game.In post 198, cyrus62 wrote:Nero is normally more active as town.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I don't care if he's scum. Voting someone right after they state an OOG reason for things is just toxic as fuck. Let people try.In post 205, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like accusing someone of not being active the second they come in the thread is just a scum tactic and thus he's just scum
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You liked my post where I was utterly wrong?In post 203, NDMath wrote:Specifically liked Titus's posts on Kitty.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Why "joke" about someone's OOG status? Why didn't you claim joke when I called you out for your bad behavior?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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The game was confirmed multiball in signups. Can we stop talking about this now?In post 215, Dunnstral wrote:So the entry posts meant it was multiball to meShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Huh? MathBlade is not in this game?In post 233, Nero Cain wrote:Titus math stuff is funky. Like if she thinks math is wildly inaccurate I'm not sure why she is worried that he'll be more active and possibly have a bigger impact as opposed to thinking he's going to try harder to be town read this gameShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Is this even for this thread?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Ok. That makes more sense.In post 237, Nero Cain wrote:ndMATHShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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NDMath was inaccurate in one game for one elimination. That does not make him inaccurate as a whole. Second, by being more active, it should let me read him better thus reducing my error rate.In post 233, Nero Cain wrote:Titus math stuff is funky. Like if she thinks math is wildly inaccurate I'm not sure why she is worried that he'll be more active and possibly have a bigger impact as opposed to thinking he's going to try harder to be town read this gameShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Cyrus lost all the good intent from earlier when he attacked Nero's OOG statement.In post 325, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Why did Titus leave the Elsa wagon in favor of cyrus?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I agree with this.In post 333, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Because of the setup, this feels like a game where scum would not want to be in the spotlight and at least 2 scum would be actively lurking. Icerint and Lucifer needs to post so that we can get a full picture of the game.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I detest comments like these.In post 359, Andresvmb wrote:Also, if Dan reads me wrong he’s Scum.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I like the honesty here but we will have conflict as I hate gut reads. Please at least highlight which posts give rise to your gut reads.In post 451, KittyTacky wrote:I am mostly a gut player, I will be honest. I am unsure how to feel about A50's catch-up in particular.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'll submit that your read has a basis but I will almost always think logically and cyrus's stance there really pissed me off.In post 480, nomnomnom wrote:
I feel like you and a few people really have the wrong approach with Cyrus. You're thinking too logically.In post 478, Titus wrote:
Cyrus lost all the good intent from earlier when he attacked Nero's OOG statement.In post 325, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Why did Titus leave the Elsa wagon in favor of cyrus?
Cyrus is town here specifically because of what you highlighted. scum cyrus feels way less "adventurous" than this.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I am not giving up there unless I am the sole voter.In post 499, Nero Cain wrote:I'll take that with a dose of salt. His reads also blow, imo. He's not happening today so we can just kill elsaShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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So you expect me to see scummy and unethical behaviors and just say he's town?In post 550, T3 wrote:
To put it in less words: He's really bad at playing town.In post 548, T3 wrote:cyrus spouts ridiculous and completely wrong theories regularly. His takes are usualy abhorrent. That is why cyrus is best read by intent and meta.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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+1In post 554, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw I feel like that wall from Iecerint was townyShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Do you think T3 is genuine in his defense of cyrus given multiball?In post 560, Testarossa wrote:Strongest scumlean is T3 though.
Went through his ISO after finishing reading. Starting with 133 he starts talking about just ignoring cyrus and literally almost every post from then is about cyrus, besides a Titus townread, one post about Gamma and that little dialogue with me. Then he jumps on the Elsa wagon for the scum pocket reason (where I can't help but think that someone on the wagon is coasting on that argument, independent on Elsa's alignment), but never really interacted with Elsa in order to sort her like hem as example.
The focus on cyrus is odd and I can think of a few reasons. However I feel that Elsa vote was kind of lazy in context of his treatment of her slot.
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Can you show an example? I don't think you have TMIed this game and rarely TMI.In post 575, Elsa Jay wrote:I always talk like TMI so nobody knows when I'm actually TMI.
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+1 hereIn post 602, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I think Elsa vs Kitty is non-alignedShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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How am I acting different?In post 632, cyrus62 wrote:Something is off about Titus in the last town game we had she didn't act like this.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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You get a townread for this.In post 677, Dunnstral wrote:
The way Elsa tries to dismantle their wagon by creating different reasons they're being wagoned to try to paint the wagon as bad is scummyIn post 674, Titus wrote:Can we discuss something other than meta? Thanks.
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Can someone give me a 411 on the recent posts? I have been swamped and I doubt I'll go back and read.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Why would town have a cop and a gunsmith?In post 1064, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay then.
I'm a 1-shot gunsmith. I crumbed in my opening post
Pokemon Rangers = power role, guardian signs = gunsmithIn post 12, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Almost50
Prepare to get greatest plan’ed
Also, my favorite Pokémon Rangers game is Guardian Signs jsyk
The reason I'd been poking Almost50 about this is that I used a similar means of crumbing as he did in Mini 2041. That's why I dropped that number during Twilight yesterday. I also thought AD crumbed gunsmith himself in that quoted post rather than cop, which is why I am confused by it because he dropped a crumb for a role that he is not but that I am.
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One shots are almost never refunded. Why do you think it would be? Gamma claimed 1 shot sooo he's out and him being out is NAI.In post 1121, Nero Cain wrote:While a 1x GS is easyible fakeable, his shot would bu refunded if he was blocked thus Iec and HEM look terrible for voting him.
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I'm not really doubting gamma as a gunsmith. I don't think a non-gs plays the way Gamma does.In post 1124, Nero Cain wrote:
it adds up to 3 shots. While Gamma could fake and maybe him outting himself when he didn't need to maybe points it being fake I don't feel like 2x cop and 1x GS is something so far fetchedIn post 1120, Titus wrote:Why would town have a cop and a gunsmith?
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Not in normals.In post 1125, Nero Cain wrote:I thought xshot roles were refunded if blocked, I swore I've seen that mechanic
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Mod: Do gunsmiths get guilty results on Werewolves in Normals?
I think the answer should be no here, but there is an argument that Werewolves would show with guns. So it's best to resolve that here.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Pedit, WelpShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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What about the claim sealed it for you? When did the claim first seal it for you?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Why shouldn't we consider starting a counterwagon as a defense?In post 1167, Gamma Emerald wrote:
who did?In post 1165, Nero Cain wrote:some people say that he was defending Elsa
I did try to start a CW but I don't believe I ever DEFENDED Elsa.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'm kinda meh on both wagons. I see the rationale for both, but I am unmoved by either one.In post 1165, Nero Cain wrote:not gonna argue that I can read Gamma like a book or anything but I just didn't see what was so scummy about him. I saw some people say that he was defending Elsa and tried to start a CW so I reread him and eh. I mean he has some kinda pointless vanity votes while not voting Elsa and its just not very convincing to me. Lets kill Dunn.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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VOTE: cyrus62
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Good night y'all. I might be here tomorrow but no promises.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Because it's pretty transparent that cyrus62 is faking his reasons to go after people. First Nero, then OMGUS and now you.In post 1178, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why? I myself am more inclined to vote Dunn atm, around the end of D1 he was already feeling scummy and then he has been playing like textbook multiball scum this day phase imo
let's note that he honed in on me very fast, something I believe you yourself caught onto.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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FoSing Gamma because of his claim makes sense to me. I doubt Dunn's sincerity though and hopefully my question to him will help determine if he's honest.In post 1196, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Dunn being solid that Gamma is scum because of the claim still hasn't made sense to me.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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At the bottom of 49, there seems to be a lot of pigeonholing of Gamma as a werewolf when he could be mafia. This concerns me.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Also, why not keep up the bit and just crumb his no result? Then he could draw roleblocks away from PRs with shots left.In post 1264, nomnomnom wrote:
Because it's a weird claim to make in this gamestate. Tell me, if you're an investigation role and you get a no result PM, is your first instinct to come in thread to out your invest target with a no result? There's no reason to think that Kitty is some form of ascetic here so why do that? It's completely weird to claim for a town member here. GS also makes sense for scums to have in a multiball game and when we know a cop has already flipped. It would be odd play coming from town so I'm more likely to believe it's a scum claim.In post 1263, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
Tell me why it doesn't come from townIn post 1260, nomnomnom wrote:I believe the GS claim too, but I have reasons to believe it doesn't come from town.
The counterpoint is if he perceives his no result as a guilty, but he isn't acting like it.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Why would Gamma crumb like that though? Meaning to where one player could pick it up and most others would skip past it. Why doesn't he FoS A50 more then? Was Gamma intending to have A50 vouch?In post 1284, T3 wrote:Because of the crumb, Gamma is either a Scum Gunsmith or a Town Gunsmith. If Gamma is Scum Gunsmith then why would he waste his 1-shot earlier by targeting Kitty? Also, if A50 gets limmed today and flips town thhen that places a target on his back for tomorrow's lim. If he's Elsa's partner then he very likely loses with this claim.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I don't see a situation where the mod forces counters between scum, but then again I wouldn't expect 2 neighborizers in the game at all.In post 1299, Dunnstral wrote:
No, but it's not more likely than town neighbor, in my mindIn post 1295, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Have we ruled out that T3 isn't a Mafia Neighborizer who counterclaimed Elsa?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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You mean like a 1 shot gs v 2 shot cop?In post 1307, T3 wrote:It's usually safe to assume scum woill have the same things. Elsa is a 1-shot Neighborizer, I'm a 2-shot.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Can you rephrase this? It's hard to follow.In post 1310, cyrus62 wrote:Arc hasting posted today and didn't post till end of day. So I am sus of them also gamma scum tel was revealed in town strumps and I think this fit it. The only one more scummy is kittyShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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So you think we have a 1 shot neighborizer v 1 shot neighborizer v 2 shot neighborizerIn post 1312, T3 wrote:
No. I would think that because Elsa flipped Wolf 1 shot Neighborizer, there should be a Mafia 1 shot Neighborizer.In post 1308, Titus wrote:
You mean like a 1 shot gs v 2 shot cop?In post 1307, T3 wrote:It's usually safe to assume scum woill have the same things. Elsa is a 1-shot Neighborizer, I'm a 2-shot.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Could have been blocked but I am leaning doesn't exist as well.In post 1317, Dunnstral wrote:There's no proof of an additional neighborizer, so it either wasn't used, was used on someone who died, or doesn't exist
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