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T3, I think you typod again lol.

People familiar with me can expect more activity from me this game than my usual.


VOTE: Almost50
Consider this a greeting since I know you like being greeted to the thread.

Good. Let's avoid Yggdrasil again.

Why are we avoiding Yggdrasil?
As far as I can tell the main issues were the mod issues and the resulting town stomp
Assuming we’re concerned about mod issues, why would those have to do with T3’s post?

misreads on ndmath

Although to be fair, there was flavor implications that ndmath was lying in that the confirmed town had an npc class but had sp and ndmath was a field class but had no sp, that's what sealed my choice for me at least

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

Gut read

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pretty sure nom and hem are scum on diffent teams

Based on what for nom?

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Can we stop referencing ongoing games

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I wouldn't consider a serial killer a scum "party" anyway

So the entry posts meant it was multiball to me

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So the entry posts meant it was multiball to me

The game was confirmed multiball in signups. Can we stop talking about this now?

Yeah but I replaced in

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like not only is he a decent oldtimer but upon his return in like summer of last year he has been on a TEAR

My first game with cabd was the one kitty's referring to, and cabd there and cabd in yggdrasil felt like two very different people.



I have townleans on Titus and Gamma.
Specifically liked Titus's posts on Kitty.
For gamma, their hem scumread feels real and with good reasoning.

Am guttown on Cyrus as well, but that might just be his simplistic/straightforward posting style.

What do you think about ActionDan?

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I've found completely ignoring cyrus is the best strategy.

Best post

Not what you two are doing though

You're calling him scum and/or using a scum strategy and generally making the thread all about him - the opposite of ignoring him, in fact

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Why is elsa in your lim pool?

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Going to go out on a limb and say that Cyrus feels a bit more likely to be town t han scum, and that I didn't like what felt like excessive pushing there earlier

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All i know is that I'm fairly sure Cyrus is town, nero leans town, and I think kitty or elsa are good lims, rest i'm not so sure about

I agree with this except I'm not townreading nero - the opposite in fact, light scum read

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The push on Cyrus feels overblown

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like not only is he a decent oldtimer but upon his return in like summer of last year he has been on a TEAR

My first game with cabd was the one kitty's referring to, and cabd there and cabd in yggdrasil felt like two very different people.



I have townleans on Titus and Gamma.
Specifically liked Titus's posts on Kitty.
For gamma, their hem scumread feels real and with good reasoning.

Am guttown on Cyrus as well, but that might just be his simplistic/straightforward posting style.

I agreed with the Gamma/Cyrus reads here and wanted to se e how in sync we were
As it turns out, I am leaning town on Actiondan, but wonder what his scum range looks like

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Can we discuss something other than meta? Thanks.

The way Elsa tries to dismantle their wagon by creating different reasons they're being wagoned to try to paint the wagon as bad is scummy

Aside from that, they just don't feel towny

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I have 10 people who wanna kill me because I wanted to defend a guy. I hate this.

VOTE: Kitty

This

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Scum neighborizers tend to have less shots

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There's a decent chance that Elsa is scum

I don't want to rely too much on mechanics but T3 looks like town and Elsa looks like mafia (even if there could be 2 neighborizors)

I don't see the merit to proving elsa's role because it's not going to change minds

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I think I like this? There's nothing I have a problem with.

Well it's day 1 in multiball.

I also didn't like 793 through 795 from Kitty, myself, but I don't want to switch off of Elsa today. I think Elsa and Kitty are both scum and on opposing teams. So, yes, that read is pretty good, but again, it doesn't make Elsa town

Not sure about Testarossa either way right now, I'd put them at straight null next to Andre and Lucifer.

I don't think the reads list means we should peel off them. The claim is bad, adding on weak is just trying to live for a day longer. Elsa is scum, I'm pretty confident in that. Kitty less so but they're scummy.

Personally I'm not jiving with anything Nero has been saying this day phase

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I don't like that you're pushing Cyrus and T3

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I don't like that you're pushing Cyrus and T3

And nom

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Unfortunately, ArcAngel 9 slot and Andresvmb are totally unreadable going into day 2 off of a scum elimination

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We don't have to end the day yet. Elsa may have scum claimed, but it's still not a hammer lol. She's in e-1.

What (if anything) they have to say now is unlikely to matter towards reading them

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On this day phase, I mean. Because we know we're eliminating elsa and there are no stakes

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I wouldn't elim Testarossa tomorrow. Town lean, I also doubt they are paired with Elsa because they spoke out against them even if they didn't vote.

Iecrent made one effort post and then hasn't done much else. Their stances are weird. I'm unsure of why people have been calling this town, is this meta?

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tell me why nom and cyrus are town, Dunn

Cyrus seems too open to be scum, I took note of the push on him because it came at a time where it could have derailed the elsa wagon if it got strong enough. It seems they were being pushed for personality as well.

For nom, there's never been a case on them, you've just repeatedly called them scum all day.

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Besides, I think, Iec there wasn't anyone who was actively against an Elsa lim.

But a few people with nothing to say, and a few people trying to implicate other people

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I am just not sure yet which team is easier to hunt.

I doubt Elsa was bussed hard

For me pretty much anyone who spoke out against the weak claim or the neighborizor claim is unlikely to be elsa's partner

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Looking over Nom iso, I see them giving reads and talking about alignments. How are they actively lurking?

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T3

Almost50

Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

Titus

Arcangel9 (replaces LuciferMorningStar)

ActionDan

KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa

Andresvmb

NDMath

Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

I am assuming 2 scum on each team, right now, but this doesn't get shaked up too hard even if there are 3.

That means that if I didn't false-clear anybody, Elsa's partner should be within this pool of 4:
[Gamma Emerald, Arcangel9, Andresvmp, iecerint]

Additionally, there's nothing preventing names on this list from being mafia of the opposite alignment. Meaning, mechanically, I think it makes the most sense to look here first.

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Here's what he did all day:
• T3 town
• cyrus town
• Elsa scum
• Kitty scum from other team

Nothing else follows. Is there more I'm missing? We have like 17 players in this game. He promised me he'll read the thread and give his opinion on more but he still hasn't done that and opted to park on Elsa's wagon instead. I mean, Elsa's still scum, but he could be that other scum from the other scum team.

I think that's simplifying the iso too much. 739 and 752 are scumhunting, no?

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Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

Also, I'm interested in hearing if anybody disagrees with any of this

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Also, I'm interested in hearing if anybody disagrees with any of this

Why did you mech-cleared cyrus? He was a late addition to the wagon, and has taken a hesitantly defensive stance on Elsa

Because he was being pushed at the same time as Elsa, was my thinking, but I haven't cross-checked the people pushing him with the people who I think can be partnered

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All the more we need to wait for feedback from Iecerint, Andres, and Arcangel.

Now that Elsa has scum claimed, whatever they have to say this day phase won't change how likely it is that they are aligned

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My interpretation is that Andres and Arc are on the list because of their lack of presence and therefore you think the/a partner is probably within {Gamma, iecerint}.

No, my list is all 4. My list was made by looking at who I don't think it is, meaning I looked at everyone else and the inactivity of those two does not mean they are more likely to be town

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T3

Almost50

Gamma Emerald

cyrus62

Titus

Arcangel9 (replaces LuciferMorningStar)

ActionDan

KittyTacky

Nero Cain

Testarossa

Andresvmb

NDMath

Iecerint

humaneatingmonkey

nomnomnom

Blue names are people who I have given me at least some reason to believe that they're not aligned with Elsa.

I am assuming 2 scum on each team, right now, but this doesn't get shaked up too hard even if there are 3.

That means that if I didn't false-clear anybody, Elsa's partner should be within this pool of 4:
[Gamma Emerald, Arcangel9, Andresvmp, iecerint]

Additionally, there's nothing preventing names on this list from being mafia of the opposite alignment. Meaning, mechanically, I think it makes the most sense to look here first.

This or Kitty is my recommendation for today

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I don't think this is a 6 scum game simply because town can't hope to eliminate that many scum if they don't cross eliminate

Based on kills, the mafia team were aiming at town for sure (and not elsa's partner)

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who are your suspects for other scum team?

I like this question from Arc

I'd like it more if they weren't in a pool of 4 who can reasonably be elsa's partner

And also if you weren't also in that pool

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Arguments for eliminating Elsa's partner:
-We have information to go off of
-The pool is narrow so better accuracy
-Remove a kill (both scum teams are aiming at town)
-There's still a chance that the people in the pool happen to be mafia from the other team. The reverse is not as likely.

Now let's hear your reasoning, or is this just omgus?

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Also, I do lean towards kitty being mafia anyway

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VOTE: Elsa Jay

Before I go. Like justice kavanaugh, I like beer.

But I also like guns.

As for this day? Borat would say, Great Success!

A bit of both nero

Can anyone work out if there is a crumb in here?

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Explain your read.

793-795
The rest of your posts came across as awkward

You kinda just look like scum

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Nevermind that crumb thing, actiondan wouldn't have acted last night.

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Arguments for eliminating Elsa's partner:
-We have information to go off of
-The pool is narrow so better accuracy
-Remove a kill (both scum teams are aiming at town)
-There's still a chance that the people in the pool happen to be mafia from the other team. The reverse is not as likely.

Now let's hear your reasoning, or is this just omgus?

I'd need some time to actually collect examples given the time it's been since I've played a multiball game but I believe my logic is sound.
PEdit: oh I can say for certain I caught a crumb but it had a very confusing scent!

I've given you a pool of 4 people with you in it, and instead of looking at the three others, even when told that eliminating that team is better, you've decided to take a hard omgus stance against me instead

No, your logic isn't "sound"

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Thought experiment: if it was in one post would it be as scummy or less so?

It would be the same

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Even-night Jailkeeper.

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Can you point to your crumbs?

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Real tricky, those sub-conscious crumbs

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So since you were allegedly roleblocked, shouldn't you be going after almost50?

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I don't think the crumb was very strong except towards a50 perhaps

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Based on kills, the mafia team were aiming at town for sure (and not elsa's partner)

Yo Dunn, can you explain this? How are you so sure that the mafia team were aiming at town for sure?

Because it wasn't in my list

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Based on kills, the mafia team were aiming at town for sure (and not elsa's partner)

Yo Dunn, can you explain this? How are you so sure that the mafia team were aiming at town for sure?

I have my own problem with this. AD was obvtown for sure, but NDMath, not so much. So really it's just an expansion/specification of what you said but it should still be brought up. Perhaps NDMath was the kill of Dunn's team?

They were both pretty obviously not aligned with Elsa; I've went over this.

The mafia team would have had to have been looking for Elsa's partner. Instead they shot at someone who clearly wasn't, ergo they were aiming at town

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why do you think your list is the be-all-end-all for werewolf hunting?

Who do you think elsa's partners could be?

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Okay, which kill was made by the mafia team?

That is irrelevant, as both kills would mean they were aiming at town.

I also don't know that

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This only specifies that the mafia team weren't aiming for the other team
what about the werewolves?

I'm obviously not a werewolf so does it matter?

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Also I was responding to:

How are you so sure that the

mafia team

were aiming at town

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Still stuck there.

How can one be so confident to say that the mafia team were targeting town and not Werewolves?

Well I've explained it multiple times.

Also, gamma's claim is indeed not town

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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How can you be so confident that your PoE is one and the same as the mafia team?

I'm not seeing anyone arguing against the poe with anything substantitive, only fear-mongering

Name names

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If it truly matters, ndmath is more like to have been killed by the wolf team just because he agreed with the poe for wolves and could be angled as scum harder than actiondan could, and I think the mafia team is a tad more likely to be aiming at town based on game state

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Werewolves don't even have guns in flavor, so gunsmith doesn't make sense as a claim

Even the normal guidelines don't say anything about that.

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Oh wait, it makes sense: He's a werewolf gunsmith

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In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, PT Cops, Vengefuls, Detectives, Neapolitans, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

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It would also find the two-shot alignment cop, so that's convenient

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And of course, why does one guy get to be a 2-shot alignment cop, but someone else is a 1-shot gunsmith?

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I also don't remember you being this visible in Cook's Mini Normal, Dunn. You were town there.

Between that game and this game, I've never voted for town

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So why are you a gunsmith when the other guy is an alignment cop?

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The way they have been reacting is very scummy

The claim sealed it for me

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I am just not sure yet which team is easier to hunt.

I doubt Elsa was bussed hard

For me pretty much anyone who spoke out against the weak claim or the neighborizor claim is unlikely to be elsa's partner

you know this really doesn't track given I was among the voices against Elsa

Quote where you spoke against the weak claim or the neighborizor claim and I will reconsider, I must have missed it

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Why did you target nomnomnom?

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If Gamma is Scum Gunsmith then why would he waste his 1-shot earlier by targeting Kitty?

We shouldn't even assume he's telling the truth about what he did or whether he was roleblocked

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...not really sure what that is supposed to mean, but sure

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Traitors don't make a lot of sense in multiball

And even if they did, it would bring into question alignment cop vs gunsmith again

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I neighborized nomnomnom.

Who's your second target then?

Is this some kind of claim, or are you misunderstanding something?

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Have we ruled out that T3 isn't a Mafia Neighborizer who counterclaimed Elsa?

No, but it's not more likely than town neighbor, in my mind

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Dunn how come you came back but didn't address my case on you?

Which was what?

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There's no proof of an additional neighborizer, so it either wasn't used, was used on someone who died, or doesn't exist

I'm leaning towards doesn't exist

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I neighborized nomnomnom.

Who's your second target then?

Is this some kind of claim, or are you misunderstanding something?

Isn't that how a neighborizer works? You pick two targets and they become neighbors with each other.

No, T3 is in a neighborhood with nom

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Hi, yes, I'm the other Mason. I incorrectly assumed that this game wouldn't have 5 investigative power, as I believe mason fills the same slot

Incidentally, I also knew elsa's "weak neighborizor" claim was fake because of oru role and t3 being neighborizor

We can take today slower instead of r ushing to our doom. It's not limlo even if 5 scum left because they are on different teams, but this is still a pretty rough situation for town

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@Dunn,

Can I get your thoughts on Tess?

In my opinion town but I can review

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I think I know who got neighborized, unless t3 switched targets secretly or just didn't agree

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Dude we're possibly at ELo here. If this guilty is fake — that's it for us. I'm not gonna risk that.

It wouldn't be over for us because the scum teams don't win with each other

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6 scum is starting to look more likely with all the power town has

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A50, can you explain why you waited until night 2 to use your power?

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Hey everyone.

Let’s slay whatever factions there are against Town here.

Also, I do have a pressing matter I need to take care of, so I’ll be paying some attention to that. I do promise to actually read and provide some useful content probably tomorrow.

Also, if Dan reads me wrong he’s Scum.

VOTE: Gamma

This iso is very lacking

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Let's just massclaim how 'bout that?

Mason, we need your blessing here

Yeah, we probably should, there isn't a real need to rush things today though

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Is andres ever going to post?

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I don't think I ever said to leave the hood alone. We can get andre I don't mind, it's just that I think titus' are arcs play is obv scum.

Good. So we can get either (or both) next. I mean, we're not too close to ELo, are we? I am just going for what I perceive to be the highest probability possible for flipping scum.

Also, let me think aloud: I am not saying this is the case, but

what if

.. there are 3 scums in each sides, and what if you are playing the craziest gambit of all, outing your team?? I mean, it would be a high-risk high-reward move, as none of you could be "guiltied" for having access to a PT anymore, and IF one gets flipped you'd still be able to claim it was a Neighbourhood, so the other two are unlikely to be Scum as well. Of course this would mean you are Mafia (which isn't even what I suspected you to be when I picked you for my target), and it assumes the WWs would also be convinced enough not to shoot inside that hood when hunting for Mafia. It does sound crazy (I already said that) but would have deserved a Scummy Award if it went through.

Allowing myself to go even further down that road, Andres would probably be the Goon (or the weakest Role), since that's whom you are willing to bus.

I want to hear from Psyche though before I decide on this. For the time being..

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I don't think all 3 are the same faction mafia

I wouldn't be surprised if up to 2 were mafia/werewolf in there, just based on individual reads.

Nom didn't think it was Nero. We were both scumreading Kitty. Andres has way too little content

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I believe that claim

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Both of the role cop claims concern me, realistically only 1 is scum, probably

HEM claiming bulletproof sounds like a scum fake claim

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Both of the role cop claims concern me, realistically only 1 is scum, probably

HEM claiming bulletproof sounds like a scum fake claim

I don't think there's an adequate gif for my level of frustration.

Don't be

Right now I think Testaross is more likely to be anti-town based on being a full rolecop and not claiming results or really gunning for titus that much today, and also being the 2nd to claim

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Do you think Testaross will flip town?

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Don't rush the day.

Who has claimed so far and who hasn't?

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Is andres the only protective role claim/flip?

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DUNN PLEASE HELP ME OUT! (I only trust your reads when I know you're Town, and you ARE confirmed Town here, so please please come talk to me)

OK

I think my blue list was thinking 2 of each faction, and titus ended up being a werewolf anyway, so I don't think that's a good place to start

I think Andres' role is fine but them being super absent is a bad look

I think Arc is a suspicious slot for fading into the background, though I would have thought the same of iec and they flipped town

I think Dwlee's predecessors play inclines that slot towards being scum as well

That's where I'd look, I'd go with Cyrus, Nero town, and maybe you and HEM town as well for my reads

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Nom told me this looks like their town play plus I think I suspect the other slots in the hood more

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What does that mean?

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Yes I am fine with this elimination

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Ythan is fine, by the way, I don't get the recent attacks on their slot. They're right about just replacing into an 80 page day, and as the only protective claim they seem pretty likely to be real to me...

VOTE: Arcangel

That's all I had to say