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First.

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I would think each scumteam is made up of 1920 players.

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Because to make it balanced it would have to be an even number. 2 is too little, and 6 would make it possible for both scums to outnumber town in just 2 lims.

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Each scum team has 1920 players? Holy crap that's alot.

Good to see everyone here today by the way.

Typo, 2.

Hello person who seems to be an alt who I may have played with before!

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Really?

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I'm the main one, actually. Bambi is also basically a Main. It's complicated. But I get the bragging rights of being the one with access to the speakeasy even if I don't use it.

I expect you to give me funny memes and treat me like a Queen. I can be also be bribed for reference.

100 ScumCoin for the names ofyour scumpartners. /j

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For a 17 person game I expected more people to show up in the first hour. I wanted three pages already.

It is 10:42 in the bEST time zone.

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Say, why am I doing mafia when I should be sleeping?- oh that's right insomnia.

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VOTE: KittyTacky
Serious vote.
I remember the last game I played with scum KittyTacky he was nervous and made that known in the thread. The post about the wagons pings me the same way. It's also very unlikely that scum start a wagon 3 pages in and this just seems like being fake helpful.

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I've been trying to mimic my scumplay as town in that I actually case people in the post I vote them for.

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ActionDan gets a lot of townpoints for this. If he were scum then he would already know what parties and multitasking mean from his role PM/scum PT. I also don't think him asking is faked because he didn't do it in an overly showy way and he appeared to have looked at the rules with detail.

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ActionDan gets a lot of townpoints for this. If he were scum then he would already know what parties and multitasking mean from his role PM/scum PT. I also don't think him asking is faked because he didn't do it in an overly showy way and he appeared to have looked at the rules with detail.

As HEM has said, I'd like to think I can fake that as scum. My main goal though is simply eliminating the possibility that his is 3/1. I think we are likely in 2/2/1 or else 3/3 where there's a restriction on factional killing power (like one team is odd night kills, other team is even etc.)

I remember from somewhere there can only be 2 wolfteams in multiball. I might be wrong though.

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I've found completely ignoring cyrus is the best strategy.

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Titus is towny for the cyrus townread and then flip. it seemed like a genuine thought and as a result likely isn't scum opportunism.

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I'm going to metadive cyrus. I had him pegged correctly as locklocklocktown early day 1 and I'm not getting that same feeling.

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I'm going to metadive cyrus. I had him pegged correctly as locklocklocktown early day 1 in Townstumps and I'm not getting that same feeling.

EBWOP

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Shoot cyrus doesn't have any scumgames I can compare to.

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Btw if you guys really tried reading me you would notist this play is me messing around. I started by replacing in as towny then becoming scum then pr twice then town. And again town funny you said no scum games I been scum 5 times since I started and to date. So why can't you find no scum games.

Recent scumgames. Anyways, once [redacted].

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Gamma made it to endgame as mafia in Townstumps.

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T3, why did you choose this game specifically to change things up?

No real reason.

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I think this is my worst nightmare. I can't get the net to work on my desktop so I'll try to play on my phone. Wish me luck.

Phoneposting isn't that bad for this TBH.

I post on a

kindle paperwhite

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I'm going to metadive cyrus. I had him pegged correctly as locklocklocktown early day 1 and I'm not getting that same feeling.

I'm going to metadive cyrus. I had him pegged correctly as locklocklocktown early day 1 in Townstumps and I'm not getting that same feeling.

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Well what seems different?

I don't know.

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At this point cyrus seems town who is trying to do some weird gambit. Just ignore him and vig.

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At this point cyrus seems town who is trying to do some weird gambit. Just ignore him and vig.

??????????
Why are (presumably) you saying to vig town?

He's a prime mislim target, especially in lelo.

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For real, can't catch up 18 pages during my break, will do so later after work. Sorry.

Someone wants to spoil me and tell what's going on rn while I am here though?

Vote Elsa Jay.

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Basically
kitty was scummy
then elsa harddefended kitty for no reason
and someone pointed out this is a classic scum multiball strategy.

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The strategy being to pocket the other scumteam.

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Oh. VOTE: else

VOTE: Elsa Jay by Sirius (my vote counter will break.

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Oh. VOTE: else

excuse me is this an elsa vote

Yes.
Else

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Going to go out on a limb

This is towny phrasing IMO

and say that Cyrus feels a bit more likely to be town t han scum, and that I didn't like what felt like excessive pushing there earlier

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I'm not sure how to explain it but I think Dunn saying "Going out on a limb is towny"

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Ignore cyrus. Please. It will make all of our lives easier.

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Ignore cyrus. Please. It will make all of our lives easier.

im still waiting for that drive in to my scum games you said you were going to do.

After [redacted].

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Recent scumgames.

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Nice okay screaming ended so I can meta cyrus.

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Scum cyrus posts a lot of shallow, short posts. He's much more rational than town him and tends to tunnel less. He doesn't throw out reads early on and when he fonaly does they are either completely unexplained or by just "vibes"

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He's also very conscious about the votecount and hoe many votes he's at and tries to give fake helpfulness by warning people about quickhammers.

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Scum cyrus posts a lot of shallow, short posts. He's much more rational than town him and tends to tunnel less. He doesn't throw out reads early on and when he fonaly does they are either completely unexplained or by just "vibes"

Apply this knowledge to what you think Cyrus's alignment is this game.

He's also very conscious about the votecount and hoe many votes he's at and tries to give fake helpfulness by warning people about quickhammers.

Similar to above: are you describing his play this game, how scum!Cyrus plays, or both?

How scum cyrus plays.

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Cyrus is tunneling nom and hem since the very start and has given reasons. He's had weird theories about the scumteam which is different to his scum meta.

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Yes T3 but is Cyrus scum or town this game or are you just showing your work but don't have a conclusion?

Town.

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cyrus spouts ridiculous and completely wrong theories regularly. His takes are usualy abhorrent. That is why cyrus is best read by intent and meta.

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cyrus spouts ridiculous and completely wrong theories regularly. His takes are usualy abhorrent. That is why cyrus is best read by intent and meta.

To put it in less words: He's really bad at playing town.

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I don't think so. nom seems to know your meta and there was also that nom voted me for hyperposting but then moved off once I did a towny post.

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You're not looking at my ISO in context. Most of the discussion was centered around cyrus, so I decided to metaread cyrus.

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19. Dunnstall asking NDMath about ActionDan is scummy (220)

Why is that scummy?

In general, if A asks town!B to think about C, this usually has the effect of B thinking A is more town and C is more scum, regardless of the alignments of the players involved. This is because B usually perceives that A has benign interest in them (which reads as town to most people), and that A already has suspicion of C. This can also lead B to attack C on behalf of A. Together, this has an average beneficial effect to A regardless of A's alignment, but the strategy is more beneficial for scum!A. So, that's why it's scummy. HEM has done this I think 3 times so far. Dunnstall did it once that I can remember. So, it's the pattern of inquiry rather than anything specific about you or Dan.

(There are other explanations for this pattern depending upon contextual factors. For example, A might be unable to feel interested in the game unless they're generating the activity being discussed, and use this as a way to motivate themselves. But in this case, town!A will follow-up on what's made from their question above to try to solve the game, which I don't see HEM as having done. Or, A might be town but very avoidant of conflict, and engage peripherally as a result, including via strategies like this. But, I don't get the impression that HEM is conflict-avoidant, because they have had a high level of activity and playful engagement with the thread.)

Your point makes sense but I don't know if that was what Dunn was trying to do.

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Can we not bring weird averages theories into this?

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Ummm not a fan of 636 and I don't think Titus is being angry?

Oh yeah. It's a terrible take. cyrus is still town.

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Scum Nero posts a lot of fluffy one liners. He rarely calls posts towny or scummy and instead just blanket reads people. He burshes any pressure away with a joke or gives a short non-answer. This is from Mini Normal 2214 which he replaced into at about LELO, I'll see what I can get from his other scumgames. I won't use Sybils Elegy as meta because traitors don't give much in the way of partner interactions.

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Meta is the best tbh

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Meta is the best tbh

how many scum games of mine did you read?

You only have one recent scumgame and that's OutWorldERs Mini Normal.

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Nero cyrus chill you're both town.

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cyrus confbias moment

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A recent game.

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Someone's playstyle can change in 2 years of absence.

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My role makes it exceedingly unlikely there is a 1 shot neighborizer

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Do you usually prefer the approach of "townhunting" (looking rather for townreads) in the early game?

Usually, yes. There are no associatives.

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My role makes it exceedingly unlikely there is a 1 shot neighborizer

Or at least a town 1-shot neighborizer.

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I AM HARDCLAIMING PR. FROM THE INFORMATION I KNOW ELSA IS VERY LIKELY A SCUM NEIGHBORIZER

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But it's not a hardclaim...? What's your role, what are you talking about, etc.?

Based on my role (which I don't want to say rn) Elsa is very likely a mafia neighborizer.

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But it's not a hardclaim...? What's your role, what are you talking about, etc.?

Based on my role (which I don't want to say rn) Elsa is very likely a mafia neighborizer.

T3, how can we gauge this information if you won't even tell us how you got this information?

Actually you know what it's fine.

I'm 2-shot neighborizer.

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The mod did spell it using the British spelling which confirms Elsa's neighborizer claim but I don't think there would be a 1 shot neighborizer and 2 shot both town in the same game.

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I googled "films called neighbor" and found a film done in 1920 so I pretended to typo 1920 in my first post.

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I think there is a dynamic where scum want to neighborize the other scumteam.

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sorry guys i just woke up

Philippines

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I googled "films called neighbor" and found a film done in 1920 so I pretended to typo 1920 in my first post.

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It was a bad crumb but I wasn't sure how else.

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If elsa is non my scumteam neighbor then I have no reason to draw attention to myself by counterclaiming. I can just kill him at night.

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Scum me has no reason to cc Elsa. IfElsa is scum then then his team wil kill me. If Elsa is town then I get limmed.

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A 1 shot neogjborizer and a 2 neighborizer basicaly can't coexist as both town.

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Elsa and I are both confirmed Neighborizer, but not town or scum.

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I have no extra modifiers.
I think there is a dynamic where scum want to neighborize other scum.

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Mainly because unless this is weird modgames you have to be scum and I would think that's the optimal multiball strategy.

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Scum hav a bp/cop? This is getting into the realm of bad theories though.

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Tbf I was in a normal game awhile ago where I was a gunsmith and FL was a 6x gunsmith but we were both town

I think this is inherently bastard imo. I do not think you should be able to subvert expectations that much and this goes beyond outguess the mod. I'm hoping such a thing is a one-off and not the standard.

Usually there aren't 2 of the same town role.

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I don't think the last large normal had more than one of each town role.
Elsa is basically confirmed mafia.

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UNVOTE:
Why does you having a modifier imply me having one?

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I 100% have no modifiers.

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VOTE: Elsa Nah.

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Nyone "could be town" or "could be scum"

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I neighborized nomnomnom.

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Because of the crumb, Gamma is either a Scum Gunsmith or a Town Gunsmith. If Gamma is Scum Gunsmith then why would he waste his 1-shot earlier by targeting Kitty? Also, if A50 gets limmed today and flips town thhen that places a target on his back for tomorrow's lim. If he's Elsa's partner then he very likely loses with this claim.

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Why did you target nomnomnom?

Towniest player who would be useful in a hood (eg. not cyrus or Dunn)

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It's usually safe to assume scum woill have the same things. Elsa is a 1-shot Neighborizer, I'm a 2-shot.

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It's usually safe to assume scum woill have the same things. Elsa is a 1-shot Neighborizer, I'm a 2-shot.

You mean like a 1 shot gs v 2 shot cop?

No. I would think that because Elsa flipped Wolf 1 shot Neighborizer, there should be a Mafia 1 shot Neighborizer.

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It's usually safe to assume scum woill have the same things. Elsa is a 1-shot Neighborizer, I'm a 2-shot.

You mean like a 1 shot gs v 2 shot cop?

No. I would think that because Elsa flipped Wolf 1 shot Neighborizer, there should be a Mafia 1 shot Neighborizer.

So you think we have a 1 shot neighborizer v 1 shot neighborizer v 2 shot neighborizer

Yes.
Mafia have, Wolfs had, and I am.

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Alright then.

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I rather vote off kitty then gamma but I don't think a kitty wagon is happening.

Same here. From the perspective of the individual scumteam both of them have to survive to 5p or one of them to 3p. In a 17 player game if Wolf!Kitty dies day 1 then Wolf!Elsa is screwed. There's no room for scum to bus.VOTE: Kitty

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Multiball with 2 scum per team is very bad for bussing. Scum are going to hard defend their scumpartner. Elsa hard defends Kitty for no reason. Later in the day Elsa moves on to Kitty as it seems he is being limmed. This feels like a last-ditch distancing attempt.

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
What Titus and hem are saying makes sense about Gamma not having used his action.

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GG this was a fun game!
Good job A50 and hem, you both had me fooled.

pedit: 3 VT's??!?!