Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Ircher]

5 pages? Already? Yeesh.

I will catch up in about an hour.

[Ircher]

NOTE: Yin and Yang are NPC accounts that will interact with you. You can each ask Yin a single question every 24 hours. You can ask Yang as many questions as you like. To ask either a question, please embolden and use a blue font on their name as such: Yin/Yang, and then state your question. Any questions that don't follow this format may be ignored.

Ooh this is interesting. I wonder if we're allowed to ask /any/ question and get a conclusive response from Yin. That said, maybe Yin would lie to a question. I'll have to see how they respond to other people's questions before I ask one.

Will you ignore my question because it did not strictly adhere to your rigid codes.

Your color didn't have any red in it. Thus, it was still blue.

Oh my god i almost forgot

Hi Ydrasse hi flea hi Pooky hi ircher hi infinity hi ckidd hi Tanner hi chara hi norwe hello everybody !!

Hi Tweet!

Yang

, what does Yin tell us about?

Yin tells you how to tell the difference between a goat and a llama.

Interesting, interesting.

Norwee is towny

I'm not impressed with him.

What's your favourite cake frosting flavour?

Lemon. Speaking of cake, I'm hoping to have some delicious lemon cake in a few days.

The correct answer was no frosting. Just cake.

No way!!! The frosting is the best part!
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No interesting reads yet, but with due time, they shall come like a dreamy mist.

[Ircher]

Yin hasn't posted yet despite being asked questions. What do people think about that?

[Ircher]

@

Yin

: What is your favorite Chinese character?

@

Yang

: How often do you practice Taoism?

[Ircher]

@Yang

: How much negative qi does an execution generate?

[Ircher]

Happy scum day Hectic!

[Ircher]

Flea is Flea. Fae are town.

[Ircher]

@Yin

: How often do you practice Taoism?

[Ircher]

@Yang

: How much yen does it take to bribe you for a special ability?

[Ircher]

Flea is Flea. Fae are town.

I do not like this o.o

[Ircher]

my early game is weak

Pre-emptive excuse for future scummy play.

Tanner is town.

[Ircher]

happy birthday ircher

<3 It's not quite here yet, but I appreciate it!

[Ircher]

Oh hm, you make a good point. I also think it's wrong although unsure if intentional

It seems close. Cumulus clouds are the big puffy clouds we see on a normal day, but if it is thunder storming, we see cumulonimbus clouds instead.

but both 251 and 253 feel like throwing shit and seeing what sticks. the "future excuse for scummy play" line legitimately makes no sense.

Nah it came across as confirmation bias to me. That being said, it makes you more likely town.
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VOTE: Yin
Let's see if this is valid.

[Ircher]

@Yin

: How often do you practice Taoism?

@Yin

: Why did you skip my last question?

[Ircher]

clidd you have asked me way too many questions.

clidd may no longer ask me questions for 24 hours or until any player pays me a compliment

@Yang

: You are very entertaining!

[Ircher]

Just remember: scum aren't perfect. They try, but they fail as well.

[Ircher]

You can only ask one every 24 hours.

It was after the last midnight. Zzz... You should've clarified that it a full 24 hours had to pass and not just a 24 hour period.

Chara is a decent wagon, though (as Norwegian said above) the npc's suggestion isn't too conclusive to trust.

Ircher is also an equally healthy option.

Yin is the evil one, remember? Their favorite Chinese character is black. What do you associate black with?

[Ircher]

ay yo ircher, wanna place an actual vote on someone?

Nah. I'm fine with my current role.

[Ircher]

My frustration with this game lies inherently in that Robert has still not explained his mindset in the slightest and ignored my questions. And yet people are like "Aww, look he's so adorably town" and giving him towncred because he does nothing.

I don't see anyone doing that. On the contrary, Robert is the main topic of discussion. Perhaps some people are being cautious because of the potential of low hanging fruit, but that's not the same as giving him a freebie town read.

[Ircher]

Ircher, do you have any takes on the players so far?

I don't remember you expressing your impressions yet.

Not really. I'm trying something a bit different this game; a bit more of an advisory role so to speak.

[Ircher]

@Ircher

If you were me, faced with someone whose role you don't know and, hypothetically speaking, also announced to you that they would be playing an alternative style, how would you go about establishing this person's alignment without visualizing their train of thought?

Tbh, I probably wouldn't bother Day 1/save it for later when I can use PoE to narrow things down.

That being said, there's still things I could look at. What is the player doing and not doing? Are they acting stronger with regards to certain players over others and why? What is the underlying motivation behind the player's posts? Okay, that last one is a bit tough to evaluate, but it's worth asking nonetheless.

[Ircher]

@Robert: You spent a lot of posts catching up to say very little of substance. Who of the people pushing you do you think is scum?

[Ircher]

I'm not asking you to make cases. Just to list some names. Surely everyone pushing you can't be scum.

[Ircher]

Which ones do you think are the most egregious?

[Ircher]

I'm actually more suspicious of the players defending me, because it's blatantly obvious that I won't survive into the night to use my power, and it's very safe for them to say I'm town when they know I'm town.

I feel shitting scum reading the only players that read me correctly, so I'm very conflicted.

Anyway, if I could be a ghost after I get eliminated, that's where I'd look. The players that defended me.

Noting this post...

[Ircher]

No. A wagon is not an indicator of alignment, and we still have >4 days left.

[Ircher]

Also, you’re not one of those people that thinks we need to use every single second on the clock are you?

We use as much as is needed. No more and no less. Consolidating too early is just as bad as consolidating too late.

[Ircher]

Friend Flea shouldn't vote for Nakata, Nakata is not a baddie and scum will win if they are able to eliminate friends like Nakata just because Nakata doesn't speak like everyone else!

Uh, no one is trying to eliminate you based on the way you're speaking...

Why is Nakata being called Rival? Nakata is not a Rival, Nakata is a friend. Nakata thinks the baddies these game are conspiring against him because of his manner of speaking.

I think it's really problematic that you think this is the reason you are being pushed.

[Ircher]

Nakata thinks a substantial part of why people are pushing him is how he communicates! Nakata really doesn't think he's been very scummy so Nakata is doubtful that it's all or primarily based on his play.

What you perceive is very much biased by your own knowledge. A different perception is by no means scum-indicative. It isn't even problematic; it just suggests a different viewing angle.

Nakata knows both Morning Tweet and Ydrasse to be very good scumplayers so Nakata thinks that one or both of them might be fooling Amy Dunne.

They may, but this argument isn't really convincing. Aside from voting you (which is tainted by your own knowledge/bias), do you have a reason to suspect them? Alternatively, you can explain how their reasoning with regards to voting you is flawed, but it needs to be more than "you are an easy target" or "your posting style is easy to scum read".

[Ircher]

@Mod: Can we get a one day extension for American Independence Day?

[Ircher]

I never ever get accused of being “fake” or “off” when I’m scum. So, that’s should definitely tell you something.

That shouldn't be too hard to change/subvert.

Go ahead then but that’s actually a super obvious towntell for me because I obviously don’t gaf about miseliming anyone when scum, so you need to read me better.

I agree with Tanner here. Even if it's your meta, it's too easy to subvert to give you more than a slight town read for it. It's a far cry from obvious town.

[Ircher]

@Yin:

Do you speak Cantonese or Mandarin?

[Ircher]

I am to an extent.

[Ircher]

We could policy-elim Robert, but meh.

For violating which policy?

This stretch of posts by Robert reflects as particularly good to me. Something about attacking his defenders and in his mind sealing his fate comes off as towny to me and is a thought i have pretty often as town in that scenario actually.

What do you mean by sealing his fate? He hasn't really accepted that he'll be limmed. Also, while it's perhaps less conventional to attack one's attackers, he didn't give off a particularly strong basis for that line of thought. His argument boiled down to a probabilistic one, so I'd be skeptical of giving a player a pass for that.

[Ircher]

That's not what I said. I am critiquing Morning Tweet's line of thinking here, and part of that was her "sealing his fate" comment.

[Ircher]

Do you have any reads that are not directly based on a player's interactions with yourself? @Robert

[Ircher]

Okay, besides that one. Not because it doesn't necessarily count, but because I'm uninterested in talking about myself here. Do you have any others?

[Ircher]

Talk about your Ydrasse read please.

[Ircher]

Intent to hammer. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

[Ircher]

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Votecount 1.16

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara, clidd

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[3] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.

That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.

Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.

Spoiler:

VOTE: ircher

Nakata thinks this is the best option of the players being talked about.

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

Dont ask me why i keep creating entire new posts for votes this game i'm forgetting how to play or something >.>

Yang

, what animals are there besides llamas and goats in this game?

carry tweet is here so i can sheep yusssss

VOTE: ircher

E-2?

I have to agree with the Ircher wagon. I wouldn't call it trolling like some others did, but he seems to flutter above the game in trying to avoid sinking into it.

VOTE: Ircher

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Votecount 1.16

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara, clidd

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[3] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.

That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.

Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.

[Ircher]

Spoiler:

VOTE: ircher

Nakata thinks this is the best option of the players being talked about.

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

Dont ask me why i keep creating entire new posts for votes this game i'm forgetting how to play or something >.>

Yang

, what animals are there besides llamas and goats in this game?

carry tweet is here so i can sheep yusssss

VOTE: ircher

E-2?

I have to agree with the Ircher wagon. I wouldn't call it trolling like some others did, but he seems to flutter above the game in trying to avoid sinking into it.

VOTE: Ircher

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Votecount 1.16

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara, clidd

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[3] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.

That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.

Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.

So going back to this, I think the first three votes are town and the last three contain 1-2 scum.

1355 can apply to Ircher as well (if he wants to live).

I may or may not answer some assuming I live long enough to actually look at it in detail.

UNVOTE:

@ircher

Vote me.
Prove you have a vote.

I could but I'm not.

There just seems to be something really fucky about Ircher's play, and i'm brainstorming the possibilities.
Theory A: He's an vengeful that wanted people to vote him so he could kill who he reads as scum.
Theory B: He's mafia that's just playing really weird and suboptimally.
Theory C: He's an mafia town PR enabler who dying would be beneficial for scum.
Theory D: He's an jester and he can't place an vote, explaining his weird behaviour, lack of focus on scum hunting, only voting for an NPC to hide that he can't vote. Etc.

Sadly none of these theories are correct.

[Ircher]

Some comments:

1) The intent to hammer comment was pure troll. I was not going to follow through with that, and I was well aware of how it would come across. I also thought it would be amusing, and it has proven to be so. Lots of interesting conspiracy theories formed from that.
2) I said this earlier, but I wanted to try a more advisory play style this game. One that isn't really focused on forming reads but rather on supporting the formation of reads. Perhaps the way I've gone about this is not ideal, but that's the goal. The comments that "I'm not scumhunting" are therefore more or less accurate as are the comments that I'm purposely giving neutral comments. See also: this MD thread.
3) I will try to answer some of clidd's questions later tonight, but that's probably all that I'm doing before I'm inevitably faded.

[Ircher]

Oh and 4) I'm VT. You can put your conspiracy theories to rest.

[Ircher]

(1) What do you think about Nakata voting Ircher?

Probably town. I think 946 is the more telling post though whereas the vote itself is kinda null.

(2) Assuming an Ircher scumflip, which hypothetical partners would you have in mind?

If I flipped scum, I would look in the people defending me. That being said, I'm not, so this question is rather pointless for me to answer.

(3) What do you think about Nakata?

Overall, it's mixed signals, but it is that aspect that makes me lean more towards town.

Let's take for instance his recent pivot back to Tweet. 1481 is a comment about Tweet being under the radar. I buy that actually, but you have to be careful with how you interpret that. By under the radar, we aren't talking slipping by snd coasting like lazy scum. No, the way to interpret this is that Tweet isn't receiving a lot of attention; instead, people are more or less dismissing her as town. Whether this dismissal is justified is not relevant.

1548 is a bit hypocritical and Tweet called him out for it, but it makes sense with the current trajectory that Nakata is pushing. 1550 rings as town to me; it has the right level of conviction to it, yet at the same time, he acknowledges his own biases/limitations. While individually not distinctive, it's the combination that stands out. Scum are either lacking in conviction (because they want to keep their options open) or don't admit the limitations of their reads (because they want them to go through, especially if it is for a mislim).

1558 is based on what I'd consider accurate facts and is a fair analysis. Despite the number of times my name has come up, it is only very recently that any real wagon has formed on me. Both the Nakata and Infinity wagon built up in a much shorter period of time.

Last thing to note is that the pivot though maybe ill-timed, didn't come from left field. Nakata has expressed a pretty consistent stance with regards to Tweet; it's only the relative strength of the read that has wavered some.

(4) What do you think about Nakata' initial paranoia on the players who were inside his wagon?

I assume you are referring to roughly 851 and nearby posts here. I think it's a natural reaction pretty much everyone initially has to their own wagon. It's just the nature of one's personal bias.

(5) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Nakata's iso?

I'm not paying enough attention to give a definitive worst/best post. I think many of the posts I've linked above go towards towniness (though some are more neutral/nai). The posts like 903 where Nakata seems worried about how his posting style is perceived strike me as his worst posts.

(6) What do you think about Robert?

His vote was the worst of the six I quoted. Most of my views probably align with Tanner's on this slot. I do think he is doing what is most convenient for his survival, and I wasn't a fan of 738 or 741 where he basically says everyone is scum. I don't think he did a good job responding when I tried to get some insight into his thought process around 1222 and later. Also in response to 1240: I don't have a read on Ydrasse and probably won't have one. Her playstyle is not the kind that "fits" so to speak to my scumhunting sensitives. 1244 by the way was an irrelevant remark made in an attempt to dismiss the question.

That being said, I do have reservations of going flat out "Robert is scum." The low hanging fruit argument is one of them. I also think that string of posts that I called him out for (for complaining about others thinking he would get replaced) may come from town even though it reflects poorly. That is, I think the frustration Robert has shown is potentially town.

(7) Do you see scum motivation in Robert's actions?

Depends on how you look at it. Survivalism does seem to be a theme, and that has clear scum motivations.

(8) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Robert's iso?

1244 and 1188 are the worst. I'm not sure there is a best one from him.

(9) What do you think about Chara?

I have no initial thoughts. Glancing through its ISO, 617 and 633 kind of stands out. Chara is very keen on emphasizing 611 is a joke. Idk what to think about it from an alignment standpoint; it just strikes me as weird that Chara feels Ydrasse was offended by it. Maybe I am not reading carefully enough (and Ydrasse was actually offended). 843 and 845 is a respectable analysis of Robert's posts, but I don't think that directly leads to a town read. Overall, no real red flags, but I don't have a read one way or another.

(11) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Chara's iso?

I pretty much answered this, but I'll add the caveat that I've not been exerting much effort or exercising much analysis on Chara's posts in general.

(12) What do you think about Infinity?

Her posts have more or less escaped my notice so far. Take that as you will. Looking through her ISO, she mentions Nakata a bunch. Notably, she is pushing for a Nakata fade. Other than that, I don't really see her pushing much of an agenda. Comparing this to two relatively recently games I've played with Infinity, I'm kind of inclined to say this one actually matches the town one more, but that's a rather shallow meta comparison.

[Ircher]

Are you going to answer what the purpose of the reaction test was? Was it really just a ‘joke’?

I already did and yes.

[Ircher]

@Yin

: 你好吗？

[Ircher]

so im thinking hectic loves playing around with the number of baddies in the game right?

like last time it was 6 scum and that was a real curveball

but what if this time he went like even further and threw in like 8 or 9 or 10 baddies?

What would be scum's win condition in this case?

[Ircher]

...do people have reads on flea?

Fae's more of a wait to read kind of read. I think fae was okay at first, but faer recent divergence to Tanner is a bit suspicious.

[Ircher]

Flash wagons can happen, i've already stated my PoE, we don't need a majority by deadline, it doesn't make much difference.

We don't need one, true, but it's probably better to have one from an information standpoint. (Granted, I'm not voting yet...)
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So current lim preferences for me is Infinity > Nakata >>> Myself. I think Ydrasse has given some good points with regards to Infinity like the mutedness, and well, I've already explained my stance on Nakata.
VOTE: Infinity

[Ircher]

Ircher i assume you did not place the bomb on yourself yes?

It would be a cool ability, but no. My claim stands as it is.
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Quick reads off the top of my head: Ydrasse and Tanner are likely town. (Take the Ydrasse read with a grain of salt though; I think I already mentioned my lack of affinity for reading her play.) Nakata is lean town. Tweet makes me a bit nervous but is probably town. Robert should be killed. If you aren't mentioned, I may or may not have a read on you, but don't worry! I'll get one on you by Tuesday at midnight!

[Ircher]

VOTE: Robert

[Ircher]

@

Yin

: 你认识多少个汉字？
@

样

: Do you like your appearance in this game?

[Ircher]

I hope you feel better soon, Ydrasse.

[Ircher]

so the confirmed town thing also has nothing to do with your role, Ircher?

I imagine it's a side effect of the bomb.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Tanner
Good Point.

What point did you find good?

Also, I'm going to note how Robert has decided on mechanics for his reads rather than actually scumhunting.

[Ircher]

If Robert claims vanilla, we should just hammer him as he softed having a PR earlier in the game.

[Ircher]

I think we should stop asking the criminal/not criminal questions. They may be actually antitown disguised as hlepful to town type questions.

[Ircher]

Flea, you either trust Yin mechanically here, or you don't. You keep giving me mixed signals; you seem to not trust it in instances like 2197 yet for things like your Tanner vote, you give off the impression it is one of the primary reasons for your read.

pedit: ???

[Ircher]

We really shouldn't fear a self-hammer. If it happens, then it happens. Not putting such pressure basically guarantees Robert will delay answering our questions as much as possible.

[Ircher]

Explain Pooky.

[Ircher]

@Yang

: When will your usefulness expire this game?

[Ircher]

Why didn't you shoot last night?

[Ircher]

@Yang:

Do you approve of us sentencing Robert?

[Ircher]

Explain Pooky.

i would rather not explain

Why not?

[Ircher]

I can kind of buy town!Robert doing this despite being suboptimal, but I'm not sure that outweighs the likelihood of scum!Robert using the claim to buy time.

[Ircher]

Why don't you try to refute them? You seemed to a little bit very early, but it seems you pretty much given up at this point. Getting discussion going is helpful to see all sides more clearly.

[Ircher]

Robert, I think your skill level is irrelevant here. Lots of players here aren't good at the game, myself included. (Just look at my 30-something percent win rate.)

[Ircher]

because it would be helpful for the bad guys

I'll drop it for now, but I think you should explain it sometime in the future. (As in maybe not this game day, but the next one.)

[Ircher]

The real point I'm making is that Ydrasse is scum because she wants the vig dead.

Idk, I don't think I agree. Like mechanically, it's true that it is generally better to wait before killing a strong pr by day, especially one that can prove itself like yours. At the same time, your slot currently has high scum equity, and it's really hard not to believe that you made the claim solely to buy time.

Again, my advice is to do things. Ydrasse is right that you are playing very reactively here. Take some initiative. Aside from Ydrasse and Tanner, who else do you scum read?

[Ircher]

I'm not going to kill a townie to clear myself, that's counter productive and helps no one.

This actually isn't true, but I can buy you believe this. The reason it's a net positive is by the basis of the flip, you become essentially confirmed (outside counterclaims and scum vigs; the latter is very rare) forcing scum to kill you at some point. Forcing scum's hand is always a net benefit.

[Ircher]

Worth noting that despite Robert's soft day 1, scum ignored him to kill a vt. It could just be because of his scum equity, or it could be because he is scum.

I think it's probably worth giving Robert a shot, but at the same time, I highly doubt he'll be successful in the endeavor. In other words, I'm okay with delaying his fade to Day 3 in the hopes he might clear himself, but I have very little expectation that would actually happen.

[Ircher]

Scum don't strictly kill by PR/not PR. They also factor in scum equity; if they think they can get a PR misfaded, they won't kill that slot unless it generates a lot of hard clears. Vig generates at most one clear, so it becomes rather lower priority to kill.

[Ircher]

Some PRs like trackers and roleblockers are stronger when less scum exist. Especially since we already have a flipped acum, they become pseudo-cops on a second mafia flip.

[Ircher]

Delaying also has the side effect that it gives scum more time to wiggle out of being faded. Maybe it seems inevitable now and a certainty tomorrow, but people have a habit of changing their minds on a whim.

[Ircher]

Again, my advice is to do things. Ydrasse is right that you are playing very reactively here. Take some initiative. Aside from Ydrasse and Tanner, who else do you scum read?

@Robert: Still waiting on a response to this.

[Ircher]

@Yang

: WWYD? As in, what would Yang do in this situation? Let Robert live or kill him with fire?

[Ircher]

Okay, then talk to me about your townreads. You said you were town reading Amy yesterday? Why? Has you read changed since you posted that? (1228)

[Ircher]

Can you give link some examples of where you are seeing that? It helps others to understand your read/thoughts.

[Ircher]

That's right. Since I started on play on this site, I can't shake off my scummy aura, which means that I'm usually under attack.

In a weird way, it's become that I seem to only get reads when players attack me because I can judge their agenda better.

I'm going to note that this is very common for newer players. One of the things one has to learn is to get a read on players based on their interactions with others and not just with oneself. It's problematic to solely read them based on their interactions with oneself because of personal biases and the information mismatch. What may seem obvious to oneself is not to them, and that bias can cloud one's judgement. It takes time, and it isn't easy, but it will have a big impact once you get the hang of it.

[Ircher]

I think, if I recall correctly, that those kinds of "pocketing" posts (as I would call them; your term is ingratiating) are somewhat typical for Pooky, but I do see your point. You said that you were reconsidering the read, but that doesn't mean the read has fully shifted yet. So: 1) Are you still town reading Pooky despite the reevaluation? 2a) Id yes, what aspects of Pooky do you still like and think point favorably for him. 2b) If no, how strong is your read currently? 3b) Follow up to 2b: If your read isn't very strong, what gives you pause? What aspects of Pooky's play keeps you from outright scum reading him?

[Ircher]

I think Robert probably does have a vig and I’m guessing possibly a novice. Novice vigs can’t shoot on D1. So, I think if Robert is actually willing to be leashed and shoot who we want, her plan is valid.

Wouldn't Robert claim novice if this was the case?

Wrt to Robert, his jump on Pooky for defending Ydrasse perplexes me more than anything.

That's not what he said when he elaborated on his read; it appeared independent of his Ydrasse read.

[Ircher]

One of {Nakata, Robert} is scum's designated misfade this game. I don't think both are scum based on game state. Personally, I lean towards Nakata town, Robert scum, but I could be wrong.

[Ircher]

So 样 isn't in favor of Robert dying, but instead, 样 would like Flea. Tbh, I would like to see more from Flea right now. Furthermore, while 样 appears uninformed, I don't think she is here to deceive us. I think it's probably worth investigating Flea for a while before making a decision.
VOTE: Flea

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

Actually, I'm going to unvote for now because Flea responds rather poorly to pressure, but I would like to see more from that slot within the next 24 or so hours.

[Ircher]

@Yin

: Who is your teacher?

[Ircher]

@Yang

: What must one do to ascend from this place?

[Ircher]

Remind me, why are you so certain about your reads this game?

[Ircher]

I am a plain vanilla townie.

VOTE: Robert

Sorry, bu this has to happen.

[Ircher]

I don't put much alignment-stock into stuff like that, and I don't think you should either.

[Ircher]

Because it's still mechanics spec, and it's clear to me that fae isn't doing much besides mechanics spec. In other words, it feels like fae is using mechanics as a smokescreen to hide faer lack of scumhunting.

[Ircher]

Robert >>> Flea > Nakata >>> Everyone else is my current elim preferences.

[Ircher]

Unless fae expands, it seems more like posturing than scumhunting to me. "Reads" like that are easy to hand out.

[Ircher]

id quickhammer him if you want to go now

I approve of this.

[Ircher]

What if the team is Pooky / clidd?

Also, the bomb placer is probably third party since no one has claimed it yet.

[Ircher]

Do you think Nakata as scum would blatantly lie in the hopes that no one checks the fact?

[Ircher]

Why?

You're 1-1 on accuracy so far.

[Ircher]

@Yang

^

[Ircher]

Infinity being town is ? unless the game is bastard, which i don't think any of the Silent Star's have been. though i remember something about Hectic leading a player to believe they had a role that they didn't. i can't find the post.

The first silent star is probably considered bastard by most standards. After all, being told you are a werewolf traitor or whatever when you're really town is a lie that cannot be reasonably anticipated.

All silent star games are ran with the following:

"No mid-game alignment changes. There may be other bastard elements."

[Ircher]

@Yin:

Do you trust us?

[Ircher]

Well by the same logic, Ircher is the only living mechclear player.

How is this a counterargument? That seems like valid logic to me.

[Ircher]

We aren't fading Tanner this game.

[Ircher]

@Yin:

What is the secret to the Silent Star series?

[Ircher]

Nakata should go ahead and claim.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nakata I guess since nothing's happening.

[Ircher]

I'll hammer when I wake up tomorrow.

Gives them about 11 hours?

:thumbs up:

[Ircher]

@Yin

: What must we do to sentence you?
@

Yang

: 你好.

[Ircher]

Yin will not lie to us.

This has already been proven false.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ircher

[Ircher]

Gg; it was a very interesting twist of events.

[Ircher]

Scum pt was very enjoyable to read. I loved reading about all the scheming with Yin.