Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Chara]

hello everyone. nice to see you all, those of you i know and those i don't.

[Chara]

Oh my god i almost forgot

Hi Ydrasse hi flea hi Pooky hi ircher hi infinity hi ckidd hi Tanner hi chara hi norwe hello everybody !!

hello Tweetie it's so nice to see you!!!!!!!!!!

[Chara]

It’s prob Chara. They’ve deepwolfed in like 3 games i’ve been with them now.

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear: NorwegianBoyEE

What...!
I didn’t even vote PookyTheMagicalBear™
Tsk tsk, shameful modding Hectic.
VOTE: Chara

Norwee, i said i was sorry for bussing you! can't we get along again? :>

[Chara]

VOTE: Tanner

okay, going to go writhe in pain for a while.

[Chara]

Chara doesn't see a problem with it.

@Tanner - do you scumread Ydrasse?

[Chara]

but thats the most reliable way to townread you :<

It shouldn’t be. :<
I’ve also taken to faking that aspect of my townplay when i’ve rolled scum regardless.

what's a better way to townread you in your opinion?

[Chara]

@

Yang

- do you like cats?

[Chara]

@

Yang

- are you romanceable? does your heart beat? does your soul yearn?

pedit: i am currently hugging a cat.

[Chara]

Should you need to ask me that question?

i'm asking what your own perception of your town vs scumplay is.

[Chara]

okay everyone leave the thread i want to be alone with Yang.

Ydrasse, you can stay.

[Chara]

my mind is telling me yes and my weak human shell is telling me no.

[Chara]

if i was forced to be the trainer i would simply refuse to catch the friends i didn't like.

i think i wasn't a nice child.

[Chara]

i want to be a mawile.

[Chara]

i thought i was feeling better but i'm actually not. someone please be super good at mafia in my absence.

[Chara]

i've probably said something like that as scum before. but atm i don't hate Hunter's enthusiasm to townread me!

@Inf - do you think i'd have trouble faking scumhunting as scum?

[Chara]

Tanner: your early game kind of pinged, though 192 reminds me of... i want to say Chara's Folly Tanner? but it occurs to me i don't think i read the end of that game and i don't remember if you were scum.

[Chara]

yes, Tanner was town. i also feel like he'll be readable.

Inf: is that you finding my play towny or you wanting to treat me as town until given reason to do otherwise?

pedit: the old chara would've hated this, new chara loves when players talk about their meta. or it's just cyclical and i'm indecisive.

[Chara]

@

Yin

: do you have information on the setup?

[Chara]

The latter. I'm mostly hoping/expecting that if you're scum, you'd ping me like you did in Pokemon battles

This wording is better

oh, i forgot we were in that game together.

[Chara]

i made bacon and then i made a cream cheese bagel and then i put the bacon in the bagel and put on some tomatoes.

this is the most cooking i've done in two months.

[Chara]

"that whole thing" being my 206?

das right

why is it scummy? (and why are you not voting me then?)

1. awkward joke trying to get Ydrasse to talk about scum!norwee.
2. challenging Pooky's town read on a player because it's a bit early.
3. prompting and encouraging Satoru to talk about a scum read on Flea.

Three things meant to erode town reads and promote scum reads, because there's nothing that scum hates more than townies with under-developped scum reads on other townies, and strong town reads on townies.

If Tanner flips scum, then Norwee is town, Datisi is town, and Flea is town.

this is a weird way to spin Tanner asking Ydrasse and Satoru about a read. the Datisi being Tanner thing was already brought up but you are really confident in this conclusion.

[Chara]

hey Pooky if you're town, give me the sign.

[Chara]

Chara r u town or deepwolfing.
How can we tell?

the big difference would be scum Chara knows what it's trying to do generally and town Chara is playing intuitive darts and trying to figure out what scumhunting feelings are correct and what are misplaced crap. at least one emotionally-inconsistent rollercoaster meltdown feels like it's my hallmark at this point, though i do my best to keep the worst of it out of the thread.

town-me and scum-me both get unreasonably invested in the game, as scum i get stressed because i don't want to let down my team and as town i get stressed at the prospect of being a mis-elim, but i think i'm generally more comfortable being useless as town than i am as scum. though still not happy with it.

pedit: Yang i love you

[Chara]

also that isn't to make it seem like i'm a big downer on my townplay, i think i am good at certain things but i tend to get distracted by other things and have a really bad tendency to go against consensus scumreads against obvious scum because i don't like that they're consensus, or i think the reasons are bad.

also Yang's list is making me too aware of the vocabulary i put forward now. :<

[Chara]

VOTE: Amy Dunne

[Chara]

i tend to get distracted by other things and have a really bad tendency to go against consensus scumreads

Is that why you're voting away from Tanner right now?

i hate that you pointed this out because no it isn't why, but now i'm going to think maybe it is why. but also you aren't even voting Tanner!

pedit: me too!! but i always want more from Tweetie.

[Chara]

I just realized we can form a public masonry between Chara/Norwee/Me

Deckerd! Duke! Gun-Max!

form Fire J-Decker Max Cannon Mode!

[Chara]

okay, you can be in the masonry.

[Chara]

the cumulus fact does not seem right, but i don't know enough about meteorology to confidently say it's incorrect.

[Chara]

questions could have more thought put into them than the above but i also wouldn't leash them, that seems less fun.

holiday today. and guess what. i

still

feel like crap! now i'm just getting angry about it.

[Chara]

i agree re: Robert. i think someone asked me about that.

[Chara]

Tweetie i want some of your energy. let me siphon it. is it bad to just coast and let Tweetie play day 1 for me?

is what i might say. in another life. i feel like i'm looking at town Tweetie here, and i want to say that about Ydrasse too.

[Chara]

Maybe it's just your mental process, but I don't understand how interpreting an exchange of votes occurring in seconds would give you any idea of ​​performative/genuine action from me. Regardless, I'm comfortable with you atm after seeing your recent posts.

what about Tweet's posting do you actually like? it looks like she just made "some posts" and you're okay to townlean her again even though you disagree/don't understand any of her process.

[Chara]

my reputation precedes me!!!!

[Chara]

i have never seen a scum Tweetie but i think if she feels town she is town, and if this ends up not being the case i'll learn my lesson. but also i feel like i remember her being similar to me as scum where she can't keep it up forever.

[Chara]

re clidd, i think he has that sort of style i tend to scumread, so i'm being more hesitant in saying he doesn't feel town. that said, when he has explained his thought process (ie on Tweetie and on Robert) i don't see the connection between that and how the scumpings and townpings he has on players are coming about.

[Chara]

suddenly all i care about is the Yin and Yang backstory lore.

[Chara]

i kinda wanna veto robert as being an elim today

he’s only ever going to look scummy imo rather than especially towny with his current rate of content and he feels like someone who if he’s town is easy to steamroll? (i noticed the datisi thing as well but i didn’t find it nai in the whole of it)

like he could be scum but he also doesn’t tell us much

maybe this is pre emptive fear of dawdling too much and settling on a just okay elim close to deadline

don’t ask me who i want more right now because it was infinity but i should reread her

i'm fine being cautious of LHF, but if you don't have a good reason to townread him i don't see why he's a bad wagon. and a "low-info" scum elim is better than a higher info miselim every time.

[Chara]

not to be easy to pocket but i do like Norwee's posting on this page. i know he was also in the three that Yin said had scum in it so grain of salt but i also really don't think Yin (or Yang but Yin seems to have more info) would actually function as some kind of group cop.

[Chara]

Chara what are your current reads? Saying you want to tr people doesn’t actually tell us much.

i've given the reads i do have. and "i want to TR Ydrasse and Tweetie" means i TR them.

[Chara]

i really don't like Pooky trusting Yin's word on there being scum in that group, there is no evidence he's being truthful with his other answers and it's a super convenient way to put a vote down on me after townreading me.

[Chara]

Maybe it's just your mental process, but I don't understand how interpreting an exchange of votes occurring in seconds would give you any idea of ​​performative/genuine action from me. Regardless, I'm comfortable with you atm after seeing your recent posts.

what about Tweet's posting do you actually like? it looks like she just made "some posts" and you're okay to townlean her again even though you disagree/don't understand any of her process.

I felt transparency of thought from 428 to 438.

My doubt was regarding the initial question (268) she directed at me and also the fact that I was not detecting any towny particles during the time she was addressing the mech talk, but both were outweighed by my current positive impression of her latest post sequence. So, yeah, I'm fine with leaning town on her again (for now).

What do you think about my process?

i do agree, i didn't find Tweetie's earlier mech-posting all that readable, but she did pick it up during those posts and mybread became a positive one at about the same time.

it didn't feel like there was a lot of transparency to your posting but this response has been better, i can see the angle.

[Chara]

Alternatively, he could just be scum who made a simple mistake and decided to avoid/abandon the game (or had some outside interference), but that's not a satisfactory explanation given the way he navigated the suspicion on you.

this whole sequence of posts reminds me of me when i start overthinking a player's mindset to figure out why they're doing what they're doing and convince myself they have to be town. it's not a slam-dunk but there's also little benefit i see from scum clidd deciding to defend a hypothetical town Robert here. taking Robert's alignment out of the question i would say i like it.

i am hoping Robert returns, and he isn't just busy and is going to be replaced, that's ok too. but i don't agree that he's just LHF and that means we leave the slot be even if it doesn't end up towntelling.

[Chara]

i think Yin said he's a thief because the character he's being is a phantom thief.

[Chara]

Amy: can you talk about why clidd is town for you?

[Chara]

does playing on a different account help with that?

[Chara]

black can be associated with a lot of things! geez, it's as if you haven't even

played

the fifth generation of pokemon...

[Chara]

in what way?

[Chara]

573 does make it sound like it has to do with Robert scum. which, sure, i could see it.
where do you get town for Ircher? he's been pretty null for me. maybe a little townier for the response to you asking him to vote and Ircher sitting on his Yin vote instead.

[Chara]

Yup, don't do that. This is you starting to deepwolf. ू(･ิ ॄ･ิू๑)

everyone keeps saying that, i'm offended on behalf of deepwolf Chara. at least wait to say this stuff until after i've started doing the townie backflips.

pedit: Ydrasse tell me why!!!!! i was thinking about it.

[Chara]

i think i remember someone recalling his scum performance (clidd?) in nancy v titus as similar here and i want to ask what in the fucking world. where.

i feel like i also remember this, but was it not a comment about how he was looking like town Ircher?

[Chara]

no, i was thinking of a different post, you're correct.

pedit: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chara]

i also think it's kind of towny from him (@ Tanner re: Ircher) but i've been burned before thinking that when it's just a case of scum being easygoing/not stressed because they either don't care or are just confident.

also Ydrasse you were right, i'm the one who misremembered.

[Chara]

but i see why Ydrasse has the read she does. i'm curious about Ircher's opinion of his own meta there too.

[Chara]

err, yeah, my current guess is that scum would want to subscribe to the easy ircher wagon. but i'm not saying it's impossible robert and ircher are both scum (or both town).

is Ircher easier to wagon than Robert?

pedit: what is irfhwrs is this an abbreviation

[Chara]

oh it mangled that one good. why is that so funny to me.

[Chara]

pedit: what is irfhwrs is this an abbreviation

I Really Feel Hooked With Rolling Scum

VOTE: Ircher
you deserve this.

[Chara]

err, yeah, my current guess is that scum would want to subscribe to the easy ircher wagon. but i'm not saying it's impossible robert and ircher are both scum (or both town).

is Ircher easier to wagon than Robert?

if robert is scum (which is my current aumption), yes?

i mean, i agree that Ircher has some votes, but it feels early to say he's an easier wagon when iirc Robert had the same amount or more (at least 3, by my count), and i believe i make three on Ircher.

[Chara]

imagine me having a read i feel confident in for once and everyone’s like nahhhh

wait no i'm sorry i was actually laughing so hard and Norwee sent me over the edge. please come back

[Chara]

it was mostly a joke, i'm still pretty null on Ircher.

[Chara]

i know i've been phoning it in a little, but i really don't like that i'm a wagon here. Pooky's vote is the one that stands out the most as actually bad.

[Chara]

i'm also townreading Ydrasse, i think her Ircher read was good and i know i'm susceptible to AtE but i don't think scum Ydrasse reacts the way i did when i go against her read. i'm hoping she wasn't fully serious though. i'm sorry if you were, Ydrasse.

[Chara]

I'm so glad most of the game has given stances and reacted to the robert thing by this point

I read through but basically everything I saw just made me continue to think what I already think so i need a more discerning read thru another time

why do you scumread me?

[Chara]

it feels like once again i'm getting null/scumreads just by existing in a game with a good reputation as scum. it happened in my last towngame and was annoying to deal with right up until conftown started to townread me. every townread has that "but it's good as scum so maaaaaybe" flavour.

[Chara]

actually.

VOTE: Pooky

Pooky is Pooky and all, but i want to know why you're actually voting me.

pedit: lmao great idea. back to the good ol days!

[Chara]

i find it insane that people are voting based on info we don’t know to trust

@chara i was irritated but less so right now it’s just frustrating to see that and it felt like a little jab at me despite what i was saying even if i know you don’t do that sort of thing

i also find this wild, i'm surprised Tweetie cited Yang (i'm assuming she meant Yin?) on voting me there.

but as for the rest, it was definitely not a jab at you at all, i did listen to your read and it's informed my TR on you right now. i just voted with that timing because Norwee made me laugh, nothing to do with you.

[Chara]

Robert is a fine vote too, i would not mind ending the day there but i'd rather vote a slot that is around to react.

[Chara]

Ydrasse HAS to be town this time. please

(not just cause of gamblers but also just play so far)

PLEASE YDRASSE

I agree

are you agreeing with the meta on Ydrasse? or just that she's town? i don't know what the gamblers game is.

[Chara]

oh. meaning Tweetie keeps seeing scum Ydrasse so she has to be town this time. i thought she was referring to a specific game where Ydrasse was scum and acted very different.

[Chara]

i'm on team Yang, she's nice and helpful and doesn't kill my public masonry.

[Chara]

@Yang

May I have the honor of dancing with you?

Yes, you may
~('.')/\["_"]-

I have already won this game.

answer my question, pookster. pooky. pooks. pookybear.

[Chara]

weekend v/la

should still have time to post but it's preemptive.

[Chara]

lol i knew robert was town

what made you sure Robert was town from that?

[Chara]

Nakata thinks trying to create townblocs is scummy.

I strongly disagree with this. We are early in the game and it's not a good idea for scum to choke out their voting options by claiming a town block, especially one that contains controversial elements (me), and in such an easy going manner.

from his later reaction, since it sounds like you were reacting to that. i'm kind of in agreement with Tanner that i didn't really get much from Robert returning and being angry, so my first thought was your confidence seemed like too much. but it looks like players besides you are in agreement on that (Robert being towny) so explaining what you're seeing would be helpful to me.

[Chara]

wrong quote, was wanting to reply to Tweetie.

[Chara]

@Morning

Could you describe the transition from your past and current impression of Nakata before the vote? Did you have any influence from a particular post (quote) or was it a spontaneous conclusion? (considering that the vote took place late).

No impression of Nakata in the past, i cannot remember a transition. It's because I wanted to slip off Chara wagon onto a wagon i have higher hopes for -- in this case, it was cause i disapprove of

Nakata thinks that Morning Tweet continuing to interrogate Robert in the manner of 776 and 778 means that Morning Tweet is presenting as being unsure of his alignment

That's wrong! I think Robert is evaluating clidd / his defenders incorrectly, but that does NOT mean I am questioning his alignment! I am free to disagree with the thought processes of anybody, no?

And i actually think it's more important to devote time debating and changing minds with your townreads

Satoru: 771 a few posts previous has Tweetie giving a hard townread on Robert, and the interrogation posts you're pointing to don't really look interrogative at all to me.

[Chara]

i need to stop trying to quote things on mobile.

[Chara]

I'm actually more suspicious of the players defending me, because it's blatantly obvious that I won't survive into the night to use my power, and it's very safe for them to say I'm town when they know I'm town.

I feel shitting scum reading the only players that read me correctly, so I'm very conflicted.

Anyway, if I could be a ghost after I get eliminated, that's where I'd look. The players that defended me.

Objectively there are no reasons to town read me that hold water.

But then, the reasons to scum read me seem very opportunistic. Why are players hung up scum-reading me into page 25 or so, because they pretend to be baffled that I didn't know that Datisi = Tanner? They are hanging on to this notion because they know I'm the easy player to eliminate because I work all day long and don't have the leisure to play all day and defend myself immediately, so that false accusations simmer.

i do like 738, but then i read 741 and the indecision feels like when i'm scum and don't know which angle is the best one to take, so i go for indecision/the uninformed look.

but as i'm typing that out, rather than indecision it was more like attacking both sides, both the players that scumread him and the ones that townread him for seemingly no reason, and scum Robert really has no incentive to flail around between the two options, and then shoot at clidd who iirc was on his side.

[Chara]

of Robert's defenders i would say clidd has put in the most work for articulating why Robert is town and arguing against that elim. Robert voting there doesn't make sense after the fact but, in the moment there is a tendency to hyperfocus on the loudest voices so i can kind of see how that decision happened.

[Chara]

it's so different it feels like a different player running the account. at that point my first thought is that the difference is not just alignment and might have a lot to do with environmental factors too. i don't believe that alignment is the only reason for dramatic differences between games.

[Chara]

like, i have repped in as scum in a doomed slot before (i don't know if that's the case in the linked game) and my demeanor was completely different to how i've responded as scum in other situations, i didn't have an emotional connection to the game for one.

[Chara]

i don't think your posting style has to do with why you're being pushed, Nakata.

i also don't think that saying you were pushing Robert when you don't think you were pushing Robert doesn't mean Amy is lying about it, you were happy with the Robert wagon and agreed with Tanner, even if it's not a hardpush that was still a wagon your were supporting, calling it a lie is rather reductive.

[Chara]

i'm not asking Nakata to change how he posts, but would others mind using their regular posting style? this feels petty to even ask but i am kind of finding some of it hard to follow.

[Chara]

Nakata, can you talk about how you're reading Infinity and clidd?

[Chara]

Nakata, can you talk about how you're reading Infinity and clidd?

Nakata thinks Infinity 324 may be a baddie but thinks that Infinity 324 will become easier to read as the game goes on and often looks like scum on D1, so is not a priority to be limmed. Nakata thinks clidd is a friend who is mistaken on Nakata.

i'm assuming you have experience with Infinity? i'm wondering why you didn't feel this way about Robert. or how you can conclude there are two scum pushing you that aren't Infinity if you don't have more than a null read on her.

i saw your clidd townread, i'm wondering if you talked about why clidd was town.

[Chara]

i'm not asking Nakata to change how he posts, but would others mind using their regular posting style? this feels petty to even ask but i am kind of finding some of it hard to follow.

Honestly half the time I can't help with the mirroring -.-;

that's fair. i asked so those who were just doing it for fun might consider not since i was finding some of the conversations harder to follow. not impossible, but increased cognitive load when you only have so much, y'know? it's not too big of a deal though.

[Chara]

Nakata thinks that Infinity 324 may quite well be scum but that if Infinity 324 is scum then his friends will know for certain later. That is to say, Nakata scumleans Infinity 324 but doesn't believe her to be the most profitable target for today. Whereas Nakata doesn't think Robert M Hunter will become easier to read as the game goes on.

Nakata thinks clidd is approaching the game in line with his town meta and his overall effort is town indicative for him.

okay, i can understand the first part.

can you be more specific on clidd? what parts of his town meta are you seeing? does he put in less effort as scum?

[Chara]

Yes, Nakata thinks that clidd tends to not be so methodical as scum and to struggle more to maintain his levels of effort, which Nakata is not seeing here. Furthermore, Nakata believes that friend Clidd does not enjoy playing scum very much and yet he seems genuinely happy to be here and to be playing which Nakata also thinks makes him town.

if clidd could respond to this as well that'd be helpful. thanks for the answer, too.

i still think your scumread on Tweetie isn't great, but the one on Ydrasse i like even less, i don't remember you giving justification for why they have an agenda in voting you besides that they're good at scum.

[Chara]

<3 yay i try my best.

VOTE: Infinity
would you do this? i feel i'm hearing a lot about Infinity being towny but i'm not seeing how you can tell.

[Chara]

i'm still concerned with Nakata, i liked his explanation of his townreads but so far how he's talked about his scumreads hasn't convinced me, and the former is easier to fake.

[Chara]

i do think Ircher could be scum here, and he's purposely using the angle of trying out a new playstyle/being upfront about his coasting to go ahead and coast. town Ircher has just as much incentive to scumhunt as scum Ircher does to fake scumhunt.

[Chara]

@

Yin

: how many factions are there?

@

Yang

: are you and Yin friends?

[Chara]

i have an opinion but Infinity should answer first.

pedit: this was to Amy.

[Chara]

oh and Ydrasse answered. ah well. i did want to see what Inf was thinking there before someone else gave an explanation.

pedit: hello!

[Chara]

also Flea already asked Yin how many factions were in the game, i asked again to see he would give a different answer.

pedit: lmao

[Chara]

i haven't seen Infinity's reasoning, that was my point.

[Chara]

i don't like those posts. it's Ircher providing commentary on the situation and on Nakata's posting without actually committing to an opinion.

[Chara]

i actually agree with the above partially, Nakata when pressed articulated his townreads pretty well and they felt like they had some substance, but the Amy scumread was based on one singular interaction, and the Tweetie scumread felt simularly shallow and based on one minor thing. then when Amy pushed back Nakata reconsidered and brought forward other players again (Ydrasse and Tweetie) on the basis on having strong scumgames and i think PoE based on the other townreade, but still hasn't given any convincing reason for me to think he genuinely scumreads them. i think PoE is a fine tactic but it doesn't feel like Nakata was really employing it as much as putting forward names he could present some minor justification for.

but re: appeasing Amy, i want to say it's -aligned because it does look like Amy was genuinely angry and Nakata was trying to avoid escalation, and i don't see this happening between partners this way. i townread Amy anyway but it's worth noting.

[Chara]

i don't like those posts. it's Ircher providing commentary on the situation and on Nakata's posting without actually committing to an opinion.

Well, I like Infinity’s catchup, so I don’t think I want to vote her anymore.

So, you would lim Ircher then, is what I’m getting from this?

yes, i don't think Ircher's been town. none of his commentary has been very bad or objectionable but i really can't get past the idea that he knows he's being unreadable on purpose and he knows there's a tendency to not want to elim slots like that early on.

but i'm also a little hesitant to pursue it because there is a reason for town Ircher to play like this, i just think it sucks. but ultimately his posting has felt really slimy and... purposely helpful and yet not risky at all.

[Chara]

Does Nakata usually appease slots he’s sr? Is that typical?

i don't really think Nakata was that "appeasy", but i do agree that he pushed you on something minor and then couldn't keep that suspicion going as you responded, Nakata's insistence it was not personal feels more NAI. i don't really think he was trying to appease you while SRing you, just because that doesn't really make sense to me for him to do anyway.

[Chara]

VOTE: Satoru

[Chara]

i also think Pooky could be scum here.

[Chara]

he hasn't towntold is the short of it. and scum Pooky doesn't always get into gear right away, either. i'm used to town Pooky caring more than he has so far

[Chara]

what did you think of my Ircher read, by the way?

[Chara]

oh, and more specifically on Pooky i didn't like how the vote on me was apparently to look for reactions but Pooky never actually looked for them or did anything with it, or even noticed my response to the vote at first.

[Chara]

Amy do you already know I'm town? :3

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

The bolded in particular. He actually tried to protect in a game by wrongly tr him while still playing to his wincon. So, I just don’t think scum!Pooky would try this crap on me because he knows how extremely upset I was after he fooled me in a past game. He isn’t FL who obviously wouldn’t give a shit but Pooky absolutely would.

In Trust Fall, he refused to pair with me because he didn’t want it to be my fault town lost. I still got blamed for it anyway but Pooky felt really bad how upset I was after Hideyoshi.

So, I just have real trouble believing that he’d do something underhanded to manipulate me like this.

i don't think 712 would be all that underhanded? i mean, i definitely think there is a limit when it comes to being manipulative that goes right into being an asshole, but it seems like a really innocuous comment and i don't see how else scum Pooky would be able to respond to your read on him. just ignore it?

[Chara]

or are you saying scum Pooky would just not ask you to read him earlygame like he did?

[Chara]

what do you think Pooky would do if he did roll scum with town you? wouldn't you then catch him immediately because he failed to buddy you or get you to townread him?

[Chara]

i'm of the opinion that if two friends can't play mafia together for fear of jeopardizing their friendship if one of them does any scum manipulation, it might not be a good idea to have them join games together.

that thought is less related to this game than my previous post, but i am saying it because i'm in that situation myself. just saying that for clarity of intent.

[Chara]

If Satoru Nakata is town then i think they'd be an pretty easy miselim due to their weird mannerism and low charisma. Hence my paranoia with Infinity here and how quickly the Nakata wagon rose up.

i also didn't like Infinity's Nakata vote, but her follow-up on it wasn't too bad.
how is that different from Infinity herself, though? her wagon also seemed to spring up pretty fast, and i have heard from players in this game i can't remember that her day 1 isn't the best.

[Chara]

what do you think Pooky would do if he did roll scum with town you? wouldn't you then catch him immediately because he failed to buddy you or get you to townread him?

He would obviously still play to his wincon but saying something, like I quoted would be extremely underhanded and I think he would try other ways to achieve his wincon. Obviously, he would have to deceive me but not ever like that.

i completely disagree that the post you quoted is in any way underhanded, it is about as chill of a "hey you should townread me" as you can get, even with the context you provided, but i also don't think i will convince you on this. my previous post still stands as my ultimate take, but in the end it doesn't actually affect me too much. thanks for answering me, though.

this does make me somewhat more confident in Amy town, incidentally.

[Chara]

anything i'd do to a stranger in a mafia game i'd do to a friend. the idea is to be respectful to everyone. i wouldn't purposely avoid doing something because a player is a friend. and i don't find manipulating anyone as scum to be dishonourable. there's a line, but i don't think this game is a useful place to discuss it.

[Chara]

it feels like you just want to be limmed, Ircher.

did he have an opportunity to self-hammer already and didn't take it?

[Chara]

also i think Norwee'a theory that Ircher just can't vote or his vote does something funky is correct.

[Chara]

So going back to this, I think the first three votes are town and the last three contain 1-2 scum.

why do you think this?

[Chara]

it feels like you just want to be limmed, Ircher.

did he have an opportunity to self-hammer already and didn't take it?

Twice, I put him to E -1 twice now. He threatened to self-hammer but didn’t, so I guess Tweetie’s right about it being wifom.

if this is the case i'm less worried about going through with the elimination, but there's the possibility he can't vote himself and is hoping others will for him out of impatience?

i don't know anything about the mechanical weirdness of Silent Star games or if this would have anything to do with how Ircher playing. i'd trust Ydrasse on if Hectic likes to use jesters or not, but that's all i can think of right now.

[Chara]

i'm curious, what does NPA stand for? non-player...... i'm not sure.

[Chara]

has anyone asked Yin about Ircher yet? i could use my question since we're waiting anyway. i'm not sure it'll help but might as well.

[Chara]

if you mean he's town and negative utility in what world does he play like this

if u mean he handicaps us though then like, i get it

his play i think is just scummy at this point rather than him being a jester because i dont think hectic would actually use a jester, mt was right that he's moved past liking those from what i know of him

the problem with negative utility town is it doesn't seem like Ircher is trying to solve or be particularly helpful, but he

kind

of is? i can only think he's 3p based on his attitude towards answering questions.

[Chara]

Tweetie isn't getting eliminated today.

[Chara]

Nakata thinks that should be reconsidered. Nakata thinks Morning Tweet has been flying under the radar and should at the very least be re-examined before ending the day.

i don't really agree at all. in what way has she been flying under the radar?

can you talk about your scumread on her this game in more depth?

[Chara]

i think Hectic wouldn't include a mechanic that punishes eliminating non-town necessarily.
also i've been reading Tweetie's posts on it and i think i agree that ultimately Ircher is not behaving like town. i doubt the reason for it is that scum Ircher just can't come up with reads this game for some reason, but it's possible he's still scum with some fucky role. or 3p with some fucky role. or he tried something and it didn't work out, and he's hoping acting like a jester can buy some time.

pedit: i do think scum Tweetie would do something like that, i don't see why she wouldn't?

[Chara]

i think she's been pretty town so far, but your reasoning being that she unvoted Ircher to get more answers from Yin is what i don't agree with. it just seems like a very NAI thing to do.

[Chara]

oh, i kind of get what you were saying now. it does assume that scum would want to silence Yin, which i'm not sure about. i was thinking more about the delaying Ircher's elimination angle, that i found an NAI opinion.

and i'm not really arguing Tweetie is scum? she can be town and do a thing i found NAI.

[Chara]

does someone want to give Chara a crash course on the weird stuff that's been in Silent Star? i'm not really in the right mood to start reading through a bunch of mechanics in past games, but i will if i have to.

[Chara]

does someone want to give Chara a crash course on the weird stuff that's been in Silent Star? i'm not really in the right mood to start reading through a bunch of mechanics in past games, but i will if i have to.

ss1: a bunch of hooded werewolves who were led to believe they were scum but actually town

ss2: 1 solo mafia with a cult shot, started with only animal sounds, nominated 2 players to gladiate(didnt know it was a nom process) elimination led to treestumps/pairing into lover pairs coordinated by the scum.

ss3: 6 mafia vs 7 town, mafia lost if they lost a player in the first 2 eliminations, if first 2 elims hit town, the mafia would choose 4 of their players to "exit" and it would become a 2v5 with 2 dance pairs who would become nightkill immune for 1 night.

thanks Pooky.

this is... a lot. i think we just lim Ircher and wait for whatever wild shit is going to be revealed. fine with waiting for Yin's answers today.

i still don't know what to ask, i'm taking suggestions.

[Chara]

thank you also Tweetie! i appreciate both of you. <3

[Chara]

does someone want to give Chara a crash course on the weird stuff that's been in Silent Star? i'm not really in the right mood to start reading through a bunch of mechanics in past games, but i will if i have to.

In Royalty, after 2 miselims, I think 3 scum were revealed or something? And had scum been 2nd elim, town would have won? My memory is a bit sketchy.

In Lunacy, town all got werewolf pms, so they all thought they rolled scum and the mafia actually got mafia pms.

sorry Amy, i didn't see. i am on my phone now and just skimming while i take care of some work. thank you as well. :>

[Chara]

hi, i've been ignoring this game all evening to play Yuppie Psycho. i'll get caught up again tomorrow.

@Pooky - i'm glad you have a positive opinion of me. <3 i don't generally like to get very confrontational and i'm pretty bad at it when it does happen. my vote on you happened because iirc, you weren't doing much early game, and i didn't like your vote on me. i did take the public masonry thing as a joke, but i assumed you did have some sort of townread on me based on my demeanor to have made the joke in the first place.

re 2: maybe this is wrong, but i associate nonsense with your game. you generally like to play around as both alignments so doing something silly like voting based off of what Yin said seemed in character to me, but i did think it was possible you were going for the "i want to see if there's any truth to what Yin is saying" route, i thought that'd be justifiable from your pov.

on 3: i'll be honest, the logical order of this is just throwing me. i get what you're saying in hindsight but i wasn't thinking of it that way, i'm taking all of Yin's answers with a grain of salt, and also trying to sort a player in the game i don't know the alignment of. hypothetically, Yin telling the truth about the public masonry because scum Pooky is in it was a possibility that was in my head at the time, sure, but i was also trying to think if a town Pooky would go the follow Yin route, vs. a scum Pooky who saw Yin told the truth and figured he could vote Chara in the group?

also the whole post looks pretty town, as far as analyzing my play and personality it feels pretty fair and accurate, i'm hoping Pooky makes more posts like this.

pedit: okay yeah that's quite the questionnaire. i feel like i should be catching up but it's getting late and i was planning on going to bed. but i can't resists wallposts with my name on them.

[Chara]

i realize deadline's creeping, my reads sans Pooky haven't changed since earlier.

[Chara]

But the problem is, while the perspective you're addressing doesn't seem to me to come from a scum mentality, I can't quite fit you into a town perspective. It's almost as if the things you're talking about are from a spectator pov and this weird feeling doesn't give me the confidence to advocate for you to stay in the game.

this is definitely how Ircher has been feeling for me all game.

[Chara]

1652 is not a bad post but the fact that Ircher's most useful post is in answer to clidd's questioning doesn't make me think Ircher is any more likely to be town. the thing that is strange is while Ircher has given a scumread on Robert, he doesn't seem to be doing anything to actually get Robert eliminated, but that's been kind of the theme of his play the whole game.

and i'm expecting some weird mechanic will be revealed, but i don't know what to do with it besides vote players who aren't acting town.

[Chara]

Nakata would also like to point out he has a very consistent line on Morning Tweet and that his voting her doesn’t clash with his prior expressed reads. Nakata called her scummy earlier for pushing him. Nakata is simply following up.

i don't know if it's posting style or not, but this isn't the first post from Nakata that feels too deliberate and aware of exactly the trajectory he is pushing in the name of being consistent. i know it's in response to Tweet saying that the Ircher read from Nakata is inconsistent but it does rub me the wrong way.

and i'm still not sure what about Tweetie Nakata actually scumreads, i see a lot of "scum Tweet is doing this" and not a lot of "Tweet is scum because X".

[Chara]

Nakata doesn't see why changing who he thinks is scum looks bad, particularly, Nakata thinks he is displaying a natural progression in his reads based on what's happening in the game.

this was the earlier post. it's really "what do you mean i'm scum, i'm doing so well with faking my reads progression".

[Chara]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in:

Ircher

/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in: Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There is scum in Pooky's votes before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/

Ydrasse

- There is scum in Amy's votes before post 1289: Chara/

Ircher

/Nakata
- There is either 0 or maximum 1 scum in:

Amy

/Robert/Tanner
- There are no scum in: Ydrasse/Amy/Ircher
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.

Yoink.

i also find it really unlikely we could just ask groups of three and get answers about whether there's scum in them, and be able to trust those 100%.

i can believe Nakata is scum, that would make sense with this, but i find it hard to believe that there is a scum in both Tanner/Tweet and Pooky/Norwee. it's possible, but then the three ICs (Ydrasse/Amy/Tanner) is a lot.

i do think Yin isn't 100% bullshit, there seem to be rules about what he answers and what doesn't, but i'm not sure asking about alignments in groups is what he's for. enough groups of three questions and the whole game can be broken in half, even if he doesn't answer questions about singular players.

[Chara]

@Tweetie: i'm okay with a lim on either Nakata or Ircher. Nakata's my preference, i find him scummier while Ircher is more i don't understand where he's going with this, but i'm not opposed to eliminating him.

[Chara]

probably somewhat scummy? why aren't you in favor of it?

[Chara]

VOTE: infinity

i have absolutely no energy today and sorry for not writing the case i was going to but at this point i’m not as sure i want to pursue it idk if it’s cold feet but rereading satoru’s iso i’m less solid, and as for the ircher wagon that wall post ah... ircher’s clearly been paying attention and thinking abo this game even if he didn’t externalize it and i think that the things he has to say are pretty decent? it’s annoying because he’s not /doing/ anything with these reads but it fits into what he was going for this game according to what he says. maybe i’m a dumbass going oooo big word pile good word you give good word to us and it’s winning over but there’s a level of nuance there that i don’t know if scum!ircher could conjure having been so aloof otherwise which i feel still reflects a solving mindset

i also have no energy but i'm jealous because you have still made a good point here abt that one post having some good stuff in it and reflecting he has been doing his own solving even if he's being weird about it.

curious what makes you feel less solid on Nakata scum, though?

[Chara]

I keep having visions of Pooky laughing at me in a scum PT somewhere, and Infinity is there too. The whole gang! All laughing and pointing at me.

to be honest i am coming around to the town Pooky world, and it does have something to do with his post where he was like "yes i would never want to deal with that" when Amy was talking about how he wouldn't do what he did this game as scum.

yes i know. me too.

(and it also has to do with the post on me like i said earlier.)

do you scumread him or is this a paranoia read?

[Chara]

VOTE: infinity

i have absolutely no energy today and sorry for not writing the case i was going to but at this point i’m not as sure i want to pursue it idk if it’s cold feet but rereading satoru’s iso i’m less solid, and as for the ircher wagon that wall post ah... ircher’s clearly been paying attention and thinking abo this game even if he didn’t externalize it and i think that the things he has to say are pretty decent? it’s annoying because he’s not /doing/ anything with these reads but it fits into what he was going for this game according to what he says. maybe i’m a dumbass going oooo big word pile good word you give good word to us and it’s winning over but there’s a level of nuance there that i don’t know if scum!ircher could conjure having been so aloof otherwise which i feel still reflects a solving mindset

i also have no energy but i'm jealous because you have still made a good point here abt that one post having some good stuff in it and reflecting he has been doing his own solving even if he's being weird about it.

curious what makes you feel less solid on Nakata scum, though?

i've been thinking about this and i didn't find myself agreeing with this post at the time, but yeah, i don't think scum Ircher would have any problem coming up with these reads and i really don't think one single good post, especially when prompted heavily by clidd, is really worth the townread at all.

i also don't understand where Tweetie's townread on Nakata is coming from, though. or Infinity really. Infinity seems like she has some meta with others here so i'm kind of willing to let that one be at least for today, multiple people have said she's felt off and i agree.
but Nakata has just not been towny and the more i think about it the more constructed all of his stances feel. i don't think it should be this hard to write something even resembling a case on your biggest scumread.

[Chara]

Inf: have you talked about the reason you're having trouble this game? i'm getting the impression you aren't normally.

[Chara]

going to wait for a VC but i'll move to Ircher afterwards. i'll say again i really think Nakata is just scum here, my most confident scumread atm. preference is something like Nakata >> Ircher > Infinity

[Chara]

@Yin:

are you Yang?

[Chara]

Tweetie: do you scumread Nakata? it seems like you would, and perhaps it's just because you really want Ircher, but it feels like you're more willing to come up with reasons not to vote Nakata while acknowledging that there is a bunch of stuff from the slot that's suspicious.

pedit: i suppose i misunderstand what you were saying? that's how it felt looking at your posts.

[Chara]

Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...

I am officially frustrated with this game.

what's frustrating you exactly? do you have a scumread?

[Chara]

this game has a weird vibe to it. i don't know if that means the majority is actually scum, though.

i don't know Ircher that well, but deciding to play this way doesn't seem totally out of character for him. i still think it could be a scum tactic though. but i'm not sure it's indicative of game weirdness as much as Ircher weirdness.

Infinity has definitely been weirdly low-energy, but she might just be legitimately low energy. Amy has felt normal, Tweetie's been normal, Tanner also feels normal, thoigh i admittedly have not been paying him too much attention yet AI-wise. and Pooky, and Ydrasse. Robert has been eh, i don't know him, but i don't really think he's been doing anything strange?

it's really just Ircher. Nakata also does seem to be making an effort not to be scumread, the "okay townreads unsatisfying scumread" thing is most of my read there, combined with the constructed reads thing and being too aware about how his progreasion is looking.

i also don't get what's frustrating Flea about the game besides Yin not being trustworthy. oh and Norwee has been pretty relatable this game and is probably one of my best townreads.

[Chara]

like after actually thinking about each player i'm unconvinced there's this big group of weird mechanical things. it feels like it's just Ircher who was doing a weird playstyle on purpose/made a bad joke.

i haven't been paying faer much attention but Flea's play has been underwhelming. 1308 does seem legitimate re: wanting to figure out how Yin works and get workable info, but there hasn't been a lot of actual hunting and i'm not sure this is actually how the Yin mechanic works, like i said enough grouping questions and the game is still broken if all of the answers can be trusted.

pedit: by "just Ircher" i meant Ircher's behavior is making the game seem more messed up than it is. i'm not sure he's actually an indicator there's something big and screwy going on as much as Ircher's behavior making everything else that's strange seem screwy because it's a Silent Star game.

[Chara]

i am okay with an Ircher elim still, he and Nakata could both be scum and that could also explain the way the votes are rn, i think. that sort of analysis isn't really my wheelhouse. as long as it's not a townread i'm not especially fussed abt who ultimately goes at this point.
though Infinity is my least-preferred out of those on the table.

i'm kind of regretting not giving Robert more attention, in part because of Tanner putting in the work there, but also because i've only really examined the motivations of a few slots so far.

pedit: i don't get why, though. you haven't said what you're upset about so it's hard to do anything about it.

[Chara]

Amy: what made you more confident i'm town?

[Chara]

Flash wagons can happen, i've already stated my PoE, we don't need a majority by deadline, it doesn't make much difference.

We don't need one, true, but it's probably better to have one from an information standpoint. (Granted, I'm not voting yet...)
---
So current lim preferences for me is Infinity > Nakata >>> Myself. I think Ydrasse has given some good points with regards to Infinity like the mutedness, and well, I've already explained my stance on Nakata.
VOTE: Infinity

My God Ircher, why did you literally wait until very recently to be townie? You were thisclose to being today’s elim.

Ircher's true plan finally revealed: play so the bar for towny posting is so low that the bare minimum gets players calling it towny.

[Chara]

i don't have a lot of faith in the ellitell. i used to subscribe to it and ended up being wrong a lot. it really depends on the player. would Inf just avoid her games as scum? i know she's been low-energy but that doesn't feel like the smoking gun it's been presented as to me.

[Chara]

if she’s not doing anything TODAYSHE ISNT GOING TO DO IT TOMORROW

Because I don’t see either Ircher or Nakata doing anything differently but she might.

i do agree i don't see why Inf's play would necessarily change tomorrow. none of them have said they're busy irl and need some time, which is the only reason for thinking something like this for me.

[Chara]

I miss deadlines all the time but rarely when I’m onsite. Sometimes I can be focusing my energy elsewhere and the thread gets locked before I have a chance to post but that’s different because you have no way of knowing when that could happen but to be ellitelling when you’re so close to deadline, shows you either don’t care or are avoiding the game.

i guess this is fair enough, i also have a really bad habit of missing deadlines but i don't think i would were i already online.

[Chara]

i refuse to accept npctesting as a reason i need to hear why you think tanner is scum

The game and mechanics are centered around Yin and Yang.

There is potential for Yin to be spewing BS, but I have noticed a pattern around their responses. Patterns which are consistent.

Frankly i've already put too much effort into this game so now I'm lazy playing.

i agree Yin and Yang probably do something but i really don't think it's solving the game for us. also it's not our fault you put a lot of effort into it.

Tanner used himself in a test so he could have a conftown in his eyes to test against and see if Yin could be followed, he didn't catch himself out. your suslist isn't even from Yin, it's from other players asking questions that Yin's happened to answer, while he's ignored other groupings.

i think if anything the pattern of what Yin's answered and what he's ignored is more significant.

[Chara]

i don't have a lot of faith in the ellitell. i used to subscribe to it and ended up being wrong a lot. it really depends on the player. would Inf just avoid her games as scum? i know she's been low-energy but that doesn't feel like the smoking gun it's been presented as to me.

Read my above post and confirm what Ydrasse posted (iow, literally check it out yourself). She’s not low energy unless it’s just this game. Once I checked the ellitells for myself, the low energy argument got smashed to bits.

this feels like skirting the line to me.

[Chara]

also, @Amy: i don't think i changed my mind on Ircher anywhere recently? when i said "it's just Ircher" i meant he's the one whose play seemed really out there to me in comparison to the rest, not that he was then my biggest scumread.

[Chara]

i do still scumread him, Nakata i'm just more confident about. Inf i'm least confident about out of them but hey, day 1 scum eliminations lose games and all.

[Chara]

well, she could be scum, it wouldn't surprise me.

[Chara]

VOTE: Infinity
E-1.

[Chara]

i voted because Infinity is probably happening regardless of what i do here thanks to plurality, and i wanted to see if anyone would hammer so we can see the flip.

when was i defending Infinity? i've never thought she was towny, but players who know her better kept saying this could be town her.

[Chara]

the three factions thing seems more plausible to me than criminals = scum + Yin being completely truthful.

[Chara]

the context is i wanted to elim Nakata today, and i don't feel like anyone has offered anything against my reasons for scumreading him besides wanting other players. which is fine i guess. but now i'm concerned i'm going to get heat for not preferring Infinity today if she does flip scum, when i didn't townread her in the first place and voted her earlier before Nakata caught my attention.

and i don't see how 1747 resembles an Infinity defense, it's me asking Ydrasse about her Nakata read.

[Chara]

but i'd hope you do do tomorrow's homework on me, Tanner. :>

[Chara]

it would be nice to have your vote there and not on Tanner.

[Chara]

y'all think i'm some kind of subtle scum mastermind, huh. it kind of makes me happy.

pedit: now i don't want to try and swing back to Nakata because if Infinity's scum i'm going to hate myself.

[Chara]

what do you think town Infinity is thinking in this situation? also wondering what about Nakata you scumread, i don't remember a lot of your reads today.

[Chara]

scum infinity seems pretty possible, the plain not showing up at deadline when she's been online does feel like giving up, and that would be in line with how she's felt occasionally present and trying and at other times like she's barely treading water. i can buy that this isn't normal for a scum Infinity either, but it seems like she's been in a bit of a slump recently too. i think it was Tweetie who said that being in a slump doesn't mean a slot can't also be scum.

i just find her really null and dry. that doesn't make her a bad elimination at all, and i've certainy made the mistake of not wanting to elim players i nullread who were scum.

and it's stupid but since i'm not confident she's town i don't feel good trying to pull the elim in another direction. plus the whole freezing up and not posting is definitely a lot more of a scum behavior than a town one, in this context. still not a fan of the blanket ellitell though.

[Chara]

It feels like Infinity is a suspect who was seen at the crime scene but instead of staying and clarifying what she was doing there, she decided to run.

pretty much.

[Chara]

Tweetie: what's your read on Tanner like?

[Chara]

i have not reread for associatives yet but i'm not actually very good at it when i do put in the effort. i still think Nakata needs attention and i'm really interested in his thoughts on the flip.

[Chara]

Ircher i assume you did not place the bomb on yourself yes?

- chara. i'm not very certain on this, and it's mostly a nullread coupled with "its infinity vote made me raise an eyebrow" and some posts around her feeling "hmm". i haven't yet put too much thought into this, since sorting chara is probably Not Easy, and i don't like using up effort if i don't know if i'm gonna see tomorrow to present that effort. and i know "this person have stronk scumgaem so null" is an extremely annoying thing to hear (i lose my shit every time innocentvillager does it to me, even though more often than not it's a joke), so in advance i'm apologizing for doing that, but. yeah.

lol well it is a truly frustrating read to receive but i dont disagree

I think Chara would fit nicely with Nakata town and Infy scum in terms of pushes and when they were timed

if you don't mind Tweetie, can you talk more about how you're reading me this game?

as for Tanner's read, i think i'd find it more frustrating if he wasn't aware of how shitty it would be just to leave it at that, but it seems like he isn't going to.

[Chara]

It's not long after the Mayor's flown off, ignoring the numerous questions everyone has, when you hear... something. beep beep beep You look around for the source of the noise, eventually landing on Ircher. beep beep beep Yang shakes her head. He's used metronome and transformed into a Voltorb. beep beep beep Yin nods grimly. The Holy Lance be with you. Strapped to Ircher's chest is a bomb. There's a large red button on the front that spells DETONATE. Ircher looks around anxiously. It seems my fate may be sealed. However, there's no need for anyone here to do anything drastic... Ircher is confirmed town. At any time, any player may detonate the bomb and kill Ircher by posting DETONATE in all-caps and bold. If every letter is not capitalised and bold, it will not count.

Yang's and Yin's dialogue is yellow and blue respectively, and Ircher's is green. it probably isn't significant beyond denoting Ircher's town and some flavor for Yin and Yang but i like the detail.

also i'm a heathen who uses mafsilver so the majority of this text is invisible without highlighting. might i suggest making the text white (or whatever the mafblack default is) manually so it stays visible?

[Chara]

or, it's fine on the post above. well, not a big deal.

[Chara]

VOTE: Robert

[Chara]

There's no conflict between being perceived as a threat and being an easy elimination.

You are being disingenuous when you pretend not to understand that I meant to say that there will be scum in both people that defend me or vote forme.

I don't actually believe I am a threat to scum, I was just lashing out.

Here's a read, clidd is scum who refuses to give up on an easy elimination that looks like it could come to fruition soon.

i really don't like this post. 741 before it looks like an attempt at faking indecision and reacting emotionally, and the end of this post sort of goes for that as well, but at the same time Robert seems really aware of exactly how he's been coming off and the analysis surrounding his wagon doesn't seem real.

there's also where Ircher asks him about his Ydrasse read and he makes a big deal about the question without answering it until prompted to by Ydrasse, i think i think i saw this yesterday and mentally wrote it off as uncooperative town but in those cases it is usually easy to see where the disagreement was set off and what the underlying thought process is. with Robert i'm not seeing that and it feels more like he's just reacting to whoever is engaging him in the moment with a vote.

and then stays on Ircher because Ircher is a defensible player to vote, after that point he's not interested in sorting now that he's not the one in the hot seat.

[Chara]

also: i feel pretty ill right now so my brain is shut off but i have more reasons to think that flea could be town than i do robert. i'm willing to give nakata some time but he's quickly falling into the same pattern for me as robert: not around a lot, feels like he's around a bit more when he's talked about? he's at least done some solving. not sure if infinity's voting on nakata clears him necessarily but robertvote is goodvote

VOTE: robert

i don't think Infinity's Nakata vote is very clearing, Infinity felt like she was having a lot of trouble with putting more into the thread. i feel like the burnout/low-energy read was correct even though she was scum, in that situation i think distancing would be on the table for her, especially if she thought there was a good chance she'd be elimmed.

it'd be worth it to check out the timing on this though.

i have Flea as nullish scummish, fae hasn't struck me as town but there is a caveat to this that i'm waiting to see.

[Chara]

also get some rest Ydrasse. :> the day just started.

[Chara]

so the confirmed town thing also has nothing to do with your role, Ircher?

[Chara]

infinity only votes nakata when he's beginning to receive votes from amy and clidd. it's actually the first time that infinity mentions nakata at all and then spends a good amount of time fixating on him. idk if that means that infinity was trying to distance from nakata for towncred or to try and protect top wagon at the time (robert, on 3 and then chara on 2). it feels like infinity put like, all her effort into this one read so like, can someone smarter figure out what was going on here.

when you say protect top wagon, are you saying that Robert was the top wagon @ 3 votes and Infinity was trying to keep it that way by voting Nakata? because that's what it sounds like you're saying but i don't get what you mean. or i misunderstood.

[Chara]

This intrigues me, and makes me think Chara intitally.
The Spear is the spear of St Longinus - The saint of finding what is lost. He is invoked with "São Longuinho, São Longuinho, se eu achar [missing object], dou três pulinhos!" in brazil.

That said, this is epic level tinfoil and it amused me at 12am.

the flavor made you more confident in this?

i thought this was a joke.

[Chara]

Given we've no way to verify night actions, the claim request is pointless.

how do you know this?

[Chara]

@chara, i don't plan to leave my read on you as "lol idk null". but it's also effort i'm not willing to spend right now when i have an extremely strong scumread and, unless i find a literal scum-pt-level scumslip from you, i'm always going to want to flip him first.

that's fair enough.

UNVOTE:

[Chara]

i'm not whatever a criminal is, as far as i know. consistency still isn't evidence it's anything but completely arbitrary.

i also really don't think Tanner is scum, and that if he was, he wouldn't make the mistake of making himself "confirmed criminal" from his own question. that's not why he's town, he's town by play and today's opening post especially, but seriously.

[Chara]

Given we've no way to verify night actions, the claim request is pointless.

how do you know this?

i'd still like to know how you're aware of this, Flea.

[Chara]

i wasn't sure if he was an alt or a new player, but after reading this i'm leaning towards the latter. not saying i'm just going to throw my hands up because Robert claimed vig but i would like to look at the possibility he's town who misplayed this.

i'm not going to bother trying to figure out if this game could have a vig because i think it's really hard to say without seeing more of the setup, but i do agree there seems like already a lot of killing power.

[Chara]

also Nakata hasn't posted for five days, that was overnight so i assume that's why the prod timer hasn't hit yet? but i don't want to elim until he's returned/been replaced.

[Chara]

i think my read on you is gonna take some extra effort to go and review, one moment

What i meant by pushes i suppose was how you stuck to Nakata for the majority of the day, i dont think you ever joined ircher, and im not sure if your thoughts on infy came very early in her wagon. Which would make sense for scum that wants ircher to go thru, have tons of targets on the next day and not come under fire. assuming nakatas town, which with Infy's afk push on them seems a tad more likely

did you end up going to review it?

the latter part doesn't seem to be the read as much as talking about why i could be scum with Infinity based on pushes. which i did ask about.

i don't understand the part about not voting Ircher, if i wanted him to go through instead of my partner Infinity, might it have been a good idea to try and help that go through? iirc i was pushing Nakata (who is still scummy, i don't think Infinity's push on him is clearing in the least) and then moved to Infinity when votes stalled out at the end. it seems like the least optimal way to go about the day.

[Chara]

mafiascum is taking 18 years to let me post.

[Chara]

Ydrasse: what do you think of Tweetie's 2364 specifically? i keep reading it my first thought was i feel like Tweetie is being really charitable to Robert's play and reading into it in a way that feels informed. one thing i'm fairly sure of is it's not a hypothetical scum Tweetie defending her scum partner, but i wouldn't rule out anything else just based on that.

i am kind of with Robert that i find some aspects of Tweetie's play lacking from her towngame, there's a certain emotional honesty that i associate with Tweetie and this post is pretty much what i was looking for in terms of "this is how town Tweetie digs into her townreads". i don't know if scum Tweet can do this too and this is partially why i'd really like to see her talk about her read on me more in depth.

but basically i've definitely felt this way before, recently in fact, with the really scummy player who you can still kind of see the logic of so you go all in trying to figure it out and come out with a townread.

actually anyone can weigh in i'm curious about thoughts on this in general, this ended up being more about Tweet than about Robert.

[Chara]

also i disagree that focusing on reads on oneself is a bad strategy, i'd say the problem is if it's ones

only

method of hunting. you know your own alignment, so that does give an edge to any analysis.
though i can recognize that the emotional aspect of being pushed can introduce biases.

[Chara]

@

Yin

: is Tanner your or Yang's target?

@

Yang

: what do you think of Ircher?

@

Hectic

: what are criminals?

[Chara]

@Yang

: what do you think about sentencing me? :>

also: wanting to sentence Flea or wanting to... whatever you had with Tanner?

[Chara]

i'll take it!

@Yin

: what do you want to do with Flea?

pedit: lmao

[Chara]

@Yang

: am i a criminal?

i also meant to type Yang with the other question, but then she answered it before anyway.

[Chara]

Yang is having some fun. <3

i'm not sure if she has anything game-related to say, but i do hope she continues her posting.

[Chara]

@Amy: who would you want Robert to shoot, hypothetically?

re his Pooky read: do you think it was in response to the Ydrasse thing? it didn't seem related to me. i don't know if i actually disagree with the pov on Pooky there, though i have reasons to think he's still town. i could see where he's coming from on Pooky but i don't think it's impossible scum would take notice of the behavior in that way either.

@Robert - do you mind linking some previous (fully completed) games? preferably scum and town if you have them.

[Chara]

i've only skimmed some games so far, but this one:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86330

is pretty interesting. Robert was scum, and unlike the towngames i looked at, seemed to have a handle on things. it was only a really quick skim but he wasn't eliminated until day 5, while the towngames had him out of the game pretty early. this could be contradicted by other games i haven't looked at yet.

i don't think one game is evidence of a meta pattern, but it did confirm to me that town Robert can be consistent limbait. i didn't get a sense that the reactive play is a constant, though.

[Chara]

That bottom one change to Is there Mafia in Flea, Chara and Ydrasse and Is there Mafia in Ircher, Ydrasee and Chara. or something like that.

Basically you need to PoE the questions and PEOPLE NEED TO COORDINATE.

But hey leashing questions is no fun and nobody likes taking suggestions

when your conclusions are just "Tanner and Chara scum" because Yin said so, when if that were reality this game wouldn't be mafia so much as twenty questions and solvable day 1 from only one player with the right questions, yes, you're not going to get coordination on this.

i can understand wanting to figure out Yin. i'd also like to figure out what he does in this game. i don't think your theory is correct so i'm not going to coordinate on it, but that doesn't mean i'm not paying attention to the answers.

i don't understand doing that at the expense of all scumhunting and making yourself impossible to read. you can do both things.

[Chara]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

I really don’t see Pooky saying this to a buddy, do you?

@Chara

i think Pooky could say this as scum, i don't think he is here, though.

[Chara]

UNVOTE:

Actually, I'm going to unvote for now because Flea responds rather poorly to pressure, but I would like to see more from that slot within the next 24 or so hours.

i think this is a bad reason to unvote Flea. part of how i know how to read faer involves how fae acts when fae needs to. i'd rather not go into detail on this though, for reasons that are probably obvious.