Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

AWAKEN, VILLAGERS OF THE PIT!

A harsh cry jolts you from your sleep, and you awaken to unfamiliar surroundings inside a stone house of sorts. The last thing you remember is being captured and knocked out by the Royal Guard...

You leave your makeshift house to investigate. Others follow from similar houses, seeming to arise with expressions matching your own.

Spoiler:

A man wearing a top hat greets you all.

Welcome to your new home, friends - the pit. You're all here for crimes of treason, murder, theft, arson... you name it. However, there is a slight problem; I'm fairly certain a good amount of you are innocent and wrongfully convicted. But no matter! I'm sure if you spend some time together, you will become very good judges of each other's character. Sentence someone between yourselves to death by nightfall, good luck. Oh, and one last thing!

He points to a man and a woman standing a little apart from the main group.

This is Yin and Yang; they'll be accompanying you here in the pit. Yin may have vital information for you and will answer any question you ask. Yang may or may not have information for you and may or may not answer any questions you ask.

NOTE:

Yin and Yang are NPC accounts that will interact with you. You can each ask Yin a single question every 24 hours. You can ask Yang as many questions as you like. To ask either a question, please embolden and use a blue font on their name as such:

Yin

/

Yang

, and then state your question. Any questions that don't follow this format may be ignored.

The man transforms into a bat and flies out of the pit, the 100 metre stone walls powerless in stopping him. The Menagerie sure did have a toll on this world...

Spoiler:

You look around at your newly acquainted

friends

.

@mod, don’t want to sound dumb here but what exactly does “npc” stand for?

[Amy Dunne]

Oh non player? Nevermind then.

[Amy Dunne]

Yin, will this game be fun and what are yours and Yang’s greatest similarities/differences?

Yang

, same question.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata is willing to VOTE: ircher, Nakata thinks that 108 was primarily filler and also that friend NorwegianboyEE seems like he is town.

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata is willing to VOTE: ircher, Nakata thinks that 108 was primarily filler and also that friend NorwegianboyEE seems like he is town.

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person?

This is just how Nakata speaks since the incident. Nakata doesn't remember it very well, but ever since then he speaks like this.

The incident? Well you sound fun anyway.

[Amy Dunne]

Yang will you hate me too, if I say I like Tanner?

Yin, what is your favorite kinds of poetry?

[Amy Dunne]

I hate Amy

rofl

[Amy Dunne]

It doesn't have to be super detailed, just say what you think and etc.

(Robert and Ircher are also scumpings, but of lesser intensity)

I like Robert and Ircher’s posting seems awkward.

I’m also town this game.

[Amy Dunne]

I felt some townpings on Norwe, Pooky, Morning and Satoru.

Ydrasse, Flea, Infinity, Chara and Tunner are null.

I tend to agree.

Pooky, who is Datisi in this game? Tanner?

[Amy Dunne]

Amy's posts seem to be forced posting for the sake of posting.

I only get told this when I’m town.

I will be obvtown as the game progressess. Wait.

[Amy Dunne]

maybe i'm biased, but i'm really curious what makes you like robert here. [edit after reading: goes for amy dunne too. like, what about robert's posting has been remotely good.]

@amy

I don’t have strong reads yet. It just seemed like his town meta. That’s why I usually like to wait until I’m more confident because this literally happens to me every game when I give reads before I’m ready.

I didn’t just say I liked you to Yang for the lulz, I actually thought you might be town and I’m actually more confident on you town than Robert.

[Amy Dunne]

I really hope you are, because so fair, I ain't feelin it.

Why not? Seriously, I’d really love to know.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Robert M Hunter

Actually,

VOTE: Amy Dunne

why'd you vote for Robert first?

He's scummy too, but Amy gave me a comparatively more intense scum-ping impression to materialize a vote in that period of time.

What do you make of me changing votes in ai terms?

Well, hopefully your reads improve then.

[Amy Dunne]

Townping on Morning dissipated.

Townping on Pooky intensified.

VOTE: Robert M Hunter

Actually,

VOTE: Amy Dunne

why'd you vote for Robert first?

He's scummy too, but Amy gave me a comparatively more intense scum-ping impression to materialize a vote in that period of time.

What do you make of me changing votes in ai terms?

Your Tweetie tr got weaker because of this? Why?

[Amy Dunne]

If Yin and Yang don’t know who the scumteam is, what is their exact purpose in this game besides obviously entertaining us?

[Amy Dunne]

If Yin and Yang don’t know who the scumteam is, what is their exact purpose in this game besides obviously entertaining us?

Actually:

Yin

?

Yang

?

[Amy Dunne]

To be completely clear, the only read I am 100% certain on is my own.

Ircher, what didn’t you like about Norwee?

[Amy Dunne]

@Amy

Her question was bad imo, and her posts on the last pages didn't give me an impression of "this is town! Morning" or "town reasoning/perspective for sure".

Because she talked about mech? I read that as NAI.

Tanner how confident is your Ircher tr?

[Amy Dunne]

I don't know who the mafia are.

This game will be fun. I would like to assert that I am simply Yin's opposite in every way.

Is Yin an villain?

Is Yin an villain?

I'm a heroine.

This makes me wonder. If NPRs are AI in any way, then Yang would obviously be town aligned but I’m not really sure how that would work exactly.

[Amy Dunne]

Tanner how confident is your Ircher tr?

considering that i literally said i'm reaching for townreads due to a general lack of towniness in this game, and that i'm aware my reasoning could be flawed? not very.

I’m not sure but I just had this weak gut ping that he wasn’t vibing with all of the earlier silliness with the back and forth with Yang.

Also I still am perplexed by what he said about Norwee, so he just seemed a bit awkward but that could also be NAI for him.

[Amy Dunne]

The clock approaches midnight.

High in the sky, bright white silhouettes against a sea of black. The full moon, a clear pool of shimmering silver. A cheeky smile under the brim of a shining white top hat.

"Ladies and gentlemen!" A voice, giddy with the thrill of something beginning, cries out for attention.

"In my line of work, I know better than most that nothing is what it appears to be. A friendly grin hides a waiting knife. A poker face hides true intentions. Pretty words create a dazzling distraction." The man, clad all in white, is standing in thin air. A finger goes to his lips, signaling a secret gladly kept.

"And a thief, a thief creates opportunity where there is none. Walking the line between black and white, balancing both in each hand. The moon only shines so brightly thanks to the warm dark of the night."

"I'm no common robber, shrouded in black clothing, hiding in the shadows. I come to you... what's that? Kaito KID? No, my name is Yin."

@

Yin

Am i scum?

In some cultures, blue and green are considered the same color.

@

Yin

What is the most important information you could tell us?

A human can't count all the stars in the sky.

@Yin, if I asked you 50 times what the answer to 2+2 is, how often would answer 5?

I would never answer 5.

@

Yin

: What is your favorite Chinese character?

If i had to pick, 黑.

Yin

, do you know who the baddies are in this game?

[Amy Dunne]

like i think it could be like

town/mafia
town/mafia/yin/yang
town/yin+yang...?

Based on 143

I would think Yin and Yang would be unaligned.

So, I think the first or second, more likely than the third but it’s Hectic, so anything could be possible.

[Amy Dunne]

[quote="In post 116, Yin"]

The clock approaches midnight.

High in the sky, bright white silhouettes against a sea of black. The full moon, a clear pool of shimmering silver. A cheeky smile under the brim of a shining white top hat.

"Ladies and gentlemen!" A voice, giddy with the thrill of something beginning, cries out for attention.

"In my line of work, I know better than most that nothing is what it appears to be. A friendly grin hides a waiting knife. A poker face hides true intentions. Pretty words create a dazzling distraction." The man, clad all in white, is standing in thin air. A finger goes to his lips, signaling a secret gladly kept.

"And a thief, a thief creates opportunity where there is none. Walking the line between black and white, balancing both in each hand. The moon only shines so brightly thanks to the warm dark of the night."

"I'm no common robber, shrouded in black clothing, hiding in the shadows. I come to you... what's that? Kaito KID? No, my name is Yin."

This series of quotes seems pretty ominous as compared with anything Yang has posted.

[Amy Dunne]

like i think it could be like

town/mafia
town/mafia/yin/yang
town/yin+yang...?

Based on 143

I would think Yin and Yang would be unaligned.

So, I think the first or second, more likely than the third but it’s Hectic, so anything could be possible.

it’s more likely that they’re unaligned yeah but going back to the theory of yin and yang they’re like also... opposites keeping balance i guess which when i think about it i can still see as being aligned in a weird way

you’re right tho less likely

Yeah, there here to create balance, I just think Yin is trying to project chaos at the very least. Yang wants to hug kittens where as Yin talks about robbers or something.

[Amy Dunne]

oh you gave me an idea amy

Please share.

I’m getting good vibes from Ydrasse so far.

Ircher is the only one who has pinged me yet.

[Amy Dunne]

Chara r u town or deepwolfing.
How can we tell?

I lean town on Norwee for this.

[Amy Dunne]

Oh hm, you make a good point. I also think it's wrong although unsure if intentional

It seems close. Cumulus clouds are the big puffy clouds we see on a normal day, but if it is thunder storming, we see cumulonimbus clouds instead.

but both 251 and 253 feel like throwing shit and seeing what sticks. the "future excuse for scummy play" line legitimately makes no sense.

Nah it came across as confirmation bias to me. That being said, it makes you more likely town.
---
VOTE: Yin
Let's see if this is valid.

I doubt it.

[Amy Dunne]

Chara, how do you read Robert?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Yin
Let's see if this is valid.

The secret wincon was to eliminate Yin. Congratulations you won!

This is the correct strategy. Yin won’t know what hit him.

[Amy Dunne]

@Yin

: How often do you practice Taoism?

@Yin

: Why did you skip my last question?

Are you trolling us with this? lololol

[Amy Dunne]

What's wrong with an good old-timey Ircher wagon.

I'll probably get into this wagon depending on what conclusion I get about Morning and Robert.

I'm not familiar with Ircher's townmeta, but his post has vaguely reminded me of scum!Ircher in Titus vs Nancy.

It’s kind of strange how much he keeps focusing on Yin. Like he’s been practically been tunneling an NPA and he really hasn’t yet explained what his issue with Norwee was yet.

Chara. why are you a totally null read for me?

Clidd, Ydrasse, Norwee, Pooky are currently my strongest trs.

[Amy Dunne]

she also didn't do anything for the first couple of days if I remember correctly

harsh!!! True though

No, I'm not vibing with the Robert wagon.

There's a decent chance he's weird-town instead of weird-scum (although the lack of participation after the ''what'' was scummy).

I like your thoughts on Robert and Amy

I mean, Tanner had a town ping on Robert before 219 happened.

Scum!Robert would simply ignore this to ''forge'' a false reasoning to scumread Tanner?

doubtful, i didnt even notice that. More reasoning to think Robert's just awkward. Im struggling to see the scum motivation

Pretty sure clidd asked me for my thoughts somewhere

@Morning

Can I see your impressions on the players?

Amy Dunne - i like her posts today
Ydrasse - correct evaluation of my play now versus rpg, could be a good sign if infinity is scum but also might just be Ydrasse reading me better cause she knows. will need more
Flea The Magician - idk flea's good
PookyTheMagicalBear - idk pooky's good. Someone mentioned he doesnt come across as evil this game which i think is lightly true, i usually scumlean pooky more by now
Ircher - idk
Infinity 324 - Random townping as i mentioned, still evaluating her read on me
clidd - i like a lot of your thoughts and i think your read on me might just be wrong and not bad motivated
Morning Tweet - bat
Robert M Hunter - ive prolly gone over this enough
Tanner - has a bit of edginess and yeah others pointed that out already but i do kinda like it
Satoru Nakata - idk
Chara - idk
NorwegianBoyEE - i like his early game and this was my first townping although its probably comparatively weaker than others

can you tell ive got a lot of energy today

I don’t think Tweetie is scum here, since I’m vibing with the Clidd Robert read as well.

[Amy Dunne]

why is not getting killed so important?

because i'm town, and i don't want the town to waste a yeet on me.

hmmm....

is there a meaning behind this "hmmm"?

Amy is officially a townlean now.

was this caused by 389/390? if so, what gave you a townlean?

for the record, amy is giving me a townie vibe as well, but i can't put my finger on it.

i kiiinda wanna townlean ydrasse for 407? i have no idea what happened in ms rpg, but i've been getting the feeling that infinity sounds "...?" too. though i'm not exactly the best at reading infinity myself so /shrug. by the time i finished reading, the "...?" feeling on infinity has disappeared and has been replaced with "yeah ok i have no clue how to read her i will just ignore her for now and hope someone else does", but i'll keep that townlean on ydra.

i am

not

getting any townie pings on clidd this game, which i think is somewhat concerning, considering that every game with him so far (that i was town and thus had to read him), he'd give me those townie pings and he was town?

ok friends are calling me, i got to go so i will finish the rest of this a bit quicker - liking tweetie's posts bc energy but also not really worrying about her as she's one of my "will probably stop being so townie later if scum" reads, and i'm also liking chara for ??? reasons idk i'm probably playing with fire here, i've heard spicy things about its scumgame ok cool bye

Seriously? Clidd is probably my strongest tr so far.

[Amy Dunne]

clidd you have asked me way too many questions.

clidd may no longer ask me questions for 24 hours or until any player pays me a compliment

Blue is definitely your color.

[Amy Dunne]

If Tanner flips scum, then Norwee is town, Datisi is town, and Flea is town.

uh there's a problem here.

see

Tanner is Datisi.

>.>

<.<

Tanner is Datisi.

what

I think Robert’s probably town. Town!TSE made a very similar kind of slip in a game he was in.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Chara

I feel the least confident about Chara, Infinity, Ircher.

Ircher made a confident read on Tanner and Infinity could possibly be struggling. Chara feels kind’ve slippery to me.

Also, it never answered my Robert question.

[Amy Dunne]

i agree re: Robert. i think someone asked me about that.

Actually it did answer.

[Amy Dunne]

Tweetie i want some of your energy. let me siphon it. is it bad to just coast and let Tweetie play day 1 for me?

is what i might say. in another life. i feel like i'm looking at town Tweetie here, and i want to say that about Ydrasse too.

i have never seen a scum Tweetie but i think if she feels town she is town, and if this ends up not being the case i'll learn my lesson. but also i feel like i remember her being similar to me as scum where she can't keep it up forever.

re clidd, i think he has that sort of style i tend to scumread, so i'm being more hesitant in saying he doesn't feel town. that said, when he has explained his thought process (ie on Tweetie and on Robert) i don't see the connection between that and how the scumpings and townpings he has on players are coming about.

Chara what are your current reads? Saying you want to tr people doesn’t actually tell us much.

[Amy Dunne]

I just realized we can form a public masonry between Chara/Norwee/Me

@Yin

is my public masonry criminal-free?

What happened to your public masonry thing?

Yin says we got a criminal in here with us

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler:

The clock approaches midnight.

A white dove sits on pavement illuminated by stars and streetlamps. She does not move. On approach, it can be seen that her white feathers are marred with red. She holds one wing close to her and does not move it, but her eyes are on you.

The street is strangely quiet tonight. The road shines with the remnants of a recent rain.

@Yin

is my public masonry criminal-free?

I say its not.

Spoiler:

>What is the purpose of Yin?

The purpose of Yin is the purpose of Yang.

@Yin

If I asked Yang how often you speak the truth, what would they say?

She would say: "The llama is a domesticated South American camelid, widely used as a meat and pack animal by Andean cultures since the Pre-Columbian era."

If Yin and Yang don’t know who the scumteam is, what is their exact purpose in this game besides obviously entertaining us?

Actually:

Yin

?

I am here to put on a show that will be remembered in the hearts of the audiennce.

yin

, are you a criminal?

I'm no lowly criminal! I'm a thief.

Yin

, how many factions are there?

There are 3.

@Yin

: How often do you practice Taoism?

@Yin

: Why did you skip my last question?

You can only ask one every 24 hours.

Yin

, why did your account's identity change to Kaitou Kid?

Identity is not static.[/quote]

Yin

, Do you know who the baddies are?

[Amy Dunne]

I think Pooky and Nowee are town, Norwee especially, so unless Chara is scum, it’s likely a troll. I based my vote off posts, not what Yin said.

[Amy Dunne]

Tanner, I obviously disagree with you on Clidd was the point.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy: can you talk about why clidd is town for you?

I’m seeing the game very similarly to him. Usually when I mindmeld on reads or my view of the gamestate with someone, I tend to think they’re likely town from that and it’s very often the case that I’m right,

You say you don’t understand his reads’ progression but I don’t really follow. Like with me for example, I hadn’t been doing much AI, so he sr me but once I started trying to figure out the game, his read on me changed.

[Amy Dunne]

Unless Robert comes back and blows my socks off with an epic comeback i’m just going to assume he’s frozen scum as Tanner suggests.

Maybe he’ll get replaced if he doesn’t respond to the prod?

[Amy Dunne]

i think Yin said he's a thief because the character he's being is a phantom thief.

right. i still don't think it overrides my other points, that we genuinely have no clue what his role is and whether he'd be truthful to us.

yin

, is yang a criminal?

pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.

That would be really helpful.

[Amy Dunne]

You can only ask one every 24 hours.

It was after the last midnight. Zzz... You should've clarified that it a full 24 hours had to pass and not just a 24 hour period.

Chara is a decent wagon, though (as Norwegian said above) the npc's suggestion isn't too conclusive to trust.

Ircher is also an equally healthy option.

Yin is the evil one, remember? Their favorite Chinese character is black. What do you associate black with?

Yin is a NPA, we can’t lim him, so I really don’t understand where you’re going with this?

If you’re referring to his insinuations about the so-called “masonry”, then I agree. I don’t think anyone should put much stock into anything Yin says.

[Amy Dunne]

ay yo ircher, wanna place an actual vote on someone?

Nah. I'm fine with my current role.

VOTE: Ircher

I don’t like how much you’re over focusing on an NPA, rather than scumhunt.

And did you ever explain why you weren’t “impressed” with Norwee or has that changed?

Other than Tanner, what are your reads and please leave out Yin.

[Amy Dunne]

573 does make it sound like it has to do with Robert scum. which, sure, i could see it.
where do you get town for Ircher? he's been pretty null for me. maybe a little townier for the response to you asking him to vote and Ircher sitting on his Yin vote instead.

Why is that townie? He’s an NPA?

[Amy Dunne]

i think i remember someone recalling his scum performance (clidd?) in nancy v titus as similar here and i want to ask what in the fucking world. where.

UNVOTE:

I don’t really have a read on Nakata yet but I would like to see more transparency from them.

Norwee, Clidd, you and maybe now Infinity, I’m liking the most.

Chara, Ircher, Nakata are nulls.

I think Robert either gets prodded or replaced, so I think we will probably get a better read on that slot.

Not particularly concerned with anyone else rn.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy do you already know I'm town? :3

I only know that I am. You should be able to tell I am, do you?

[Amy Dunne]

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

I think you are. I also think it’s beyond obvious we really can’t take what the NPAs say as dogma.

[Amy Dunne]

I mean don't you townread me independently of what the NPA says?

I am very townie

Nothing either NPA says has any affect on my reads and it shouldn’t affect yours either.

I think this sounds like town!you here.

[Amy Dunne]

I mean don't you townread me independently of what the NPA says?

I am very townie

Nothing either NPA says has any affect on my reads and it shouldn’t affect yours either.

I think this sounds like town!you here.

Not this post I men but in general.

What do you think of Nakata?

or anyone else including me?

[Amy Dunne]

I'm not really trying very hard yet cuz I'm like incredibly lazy.

I was kind of worried about you earlier because you seem to pop in only in spurts and you were gone for a while at the start but the more you post/interact the better I'm going to have a feel for your alignment.

That’s because I’m overgamed af and you are probably the last person who should be paranoing on me for activity reasons.

[Amy Dunne]

this is like the towniest he's ever been lol

but he's also crazy

I think he’s town basee on meta.

VOTE: Nakata

They actually had the worst reason for voting him.

[Amy Dunne]

pedit: i vaguely remember seeing town!robert act a bit more freely in the game i modded, but (1) been a while ago and (2) not like i was putting in effort into reading him there. i'll try to skim his completed games at some point to see if anything interesting pops up. maybe. idk i hate meta research.

That would be really helpful.

debatable. second-hand meta usually just makes me tunnel what i already think. and you'd think that would stop me from saying "i should do meta research" but it does not.

do you plan on linking that "slip" from tse?

Tanner i’m very interested in your response now.

here's a take - i see absolutely nothing town-indicative in what robert has posted in his return.

upon getting back, he started getting pissy, doing the most surface-level omgus. he repeated not once, not twice, but three times that he's mad he's being wagoned for "not knowing alt accounts". i explicitly said that i don't give a shit he didn't know who i am - my problem is that his original attack on me and his reaction upon learning about the alt both reek of scum. his original points on me were garbage, and he has showed no re-evaluation of my slot upon learning the new info. even now! he chose to completely ignore me and what i'm saying (and why i'm voting him) and instead just go omgus someone else. you'd think town!him would, i don't know, at least *address* his read on me (you know, the thing that got him into this mess in the first place) by this point?

why the hell are people reading him as town? because he got mad? like, ircher called him out, he wasn't doing jack shit other than being mad and insisting he's being wagoned for not knowing alts. that's not town-indicative behaviour. and the "it's obvious i won't make it to night so people defending me are suspicious" like, you had 3 votes as an early day wagon, who the hell are you kidding by pretending to think your yeet is already set in stone?

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Post Post #2308 (ISO) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:13 pm

In post 2664, Dats Mist wrote:
Imagine reading the OP to see who is in their slot now.
-D


I’m dumb.
Ok why TF did Danfloor not answer the question?
I also referred it to Eclipse slot in general.

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Post Post #2309 (ISO) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:08 pm

Imagine reading the OP to see who is in their slot now.
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Post Post #2310 (ISO) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:05 pm

Did I miss something?
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Post Post #2311 (ISO) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:05 pm

What. The. Fuck.
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Post Post #2312 (ISO) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:03 pm

Their not in the vote count.
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Post Post #2313 (ISO) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:03 pm

Wait where’s Eclipse

[Amy Dunne]

yup

Care to share?

As Pooky said, he’s acting crazy but I read it as he actually seems to believe what he’s saying and please don’t ask me to explain it.

I think he actually tries as scum.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m not particularly impressed with how Nakata responded to either his wagon or his Robert read. Tanner actually seems to have conviction but is still willing to re-evaluate but Nakata doesn’t really seem willing to do that and if he’s so convinced on Robert!scum, why pivot to Tweetie? But he seems not to care what Robert is, only that he’s limbait or something. Also another think that bothers me is he’s emotionally flat about everything. He has given us no reason to unvote him.

And why is townblocking scummy?

[Amy Dunne]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35622


This is scum!Robert being run up. His reaction is completely different wouldn’t you say?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks townbloccing is different to trying to force a townbloc which is what Nakata thinks Morning Tweet was doing.

Nakata thinks Amy Dunne’s take on him is insincere and is twisting to try and justify her voting him. See, for instance, her trying to portray Nakata’s muted affect as scummy.

This really isn’t helping you know. When I voted Chara, it’s response made me think it wasn’t a good vote but you just keep responding the same way. Tell me why I should tr you as opposed to shading everyone who voted you. I didn’t like your reasons for voting Robert and then switching to Tweetie and instead of actually addressing that, your respobse is to just shade me.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks that Amy Dunne or Morning Tweet would be better options for today, although he supposed he would vote Infinity 324 if needed.

There was nothing wrong with my vote. I fully explained my reaqons. So your basically saying that Infinity, Tweetie and I are iall scum who are somzhow trying to make Ydrasse look bad? She is one of my most confident trs. So this is totally whack.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks that Amy Dunne or Morning Tweet would be better options for today, although he supposed he would vote Infinity 324 if needed.

This cat thinks those are the two worst possible options.

+1

And I also think this is town!Tweetie. The only one I may possibly have doubts about may be Infinity but I’m definitely town and this sounds very much like town!Tweetie.

I liked Infiniy’s take on Robert but otherwise she appears to be struggling in this game.

[Amy Dunne]

Not saying to end it now. But holding back progress because there’s still X days left is an lame excuse.

I agree there’s no reason to drag it out to deadline but we do still have time. I don’t think things are being rushed here, so in this case, so I think point is moot.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks that Amy Dunne or Morning Tweet would be better options for today, although he supposed he would vote Infinity 324 if needed.

If one of those mentioned already has votes wouldn't it by all definitions be an better vote?

Nakata thinks Infinity 324 will be easier to sort later and that for now Amy Dunne and Morning Tweet are scummier than her because they’re playing with more agenda, and not just opportunism.

You trying to get me miselimed or one of my trs isn’t really doing a lot for me. :/

[Amy Dunne]

for the record - i still would prefer to yeet robert. but i see everyone is going by the "he came back and *gasp* made posts and showed emotion, obviously town!!" logic, so.

i'm back to thinking amy is on the scummier side of things. i don't know why, but some of her recent posting feels like she's not happy to be here. (before you ask why i voted infinity - because i'm not townreading her either and there was already a vote on her.)

however, while i was starting to feel better feelings about nakata, 866 feels slightly off to me, specifically the last line. like, i get the idea behind "forcing townbloccs is +scum behaviour", but, that's a *big* part for why you're voting your preferred scumread? i dunno.

tl;dr, reads probably being trash.

Well you’re dead wrong on me. Read my other game. It’s pretty damned obvious I’m town here.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m starting to think I may have been wrong about Ircher, despite his bad Norwee take. I don’t really see much in the way of an agenda, so Ydrasse may be right about him.

I think what Nakata was saying with me and Tweetie wrt to Ydrasee is seriously nutso. I think that’s the part that iris me the most. It reads like he might be trying to possibly create a divide between Tweetie, me and Ydrasse since there’s absolutely nothing in either of our posts to suggest anything of the kind.

He keeps saying Tweetie is scum for supposedly force a town block but somehow her and me are trying to set up Ydrasse? How does that even make an iota of sense?

[Amy Dunne]

Friend clidd has been deceived into voting Nakata by scum Amy Dunne/Morning Tweet/Infinity 324/Robert M Hunter. Nakata does not think they are all scum, but Nakata thinks there may be a lot of scum in them. You should help Nakata by voting Morning Tweet or Amy Dunne so that we can eliminate scum today!

I’m not scum but you trying to force a miselim on me and one of my trs is really pinging me. I asked you why I should tr you and you just keep pushing this garbage.

[Amy Dunne]

I agree, nakata's theory seems like he just tried to come up with a justification for TRing ydrasse and SRing the others on his wagon and it at least doesn't seem thought through.

Yeah, like Chara, Ircher didn’t react that way to the votes on them. If Yakata isn’t scum, then he’s lazy or gamethrowing town because I get the impression that he really isn’t sincerely trying to parse either me or Tweetie and trying to paranoia Ydrasse on me and Tweetie with zero basis.

And he completely ignored what I said about my other game. You would think he would try to ISO me in that instead of just straight up omgus me.

[Amy Dunne]

Friend clidd has been deceived into voting Nakata by scum Amy Dunne/Morning Tweet/Infinity 324/Robert M Hunter. Nakata does not think they are all scum, but Nakata thinks there may be a lot of scum in them. You should help Nakata by voting Morning Tweet or Amy Dunne so that we can eliminate scum today!

I’m not particularly impressed with how Nakata responded to either his wagon or his Robert read. Tanner actually seems to have conviction but is still willing to re-evaluate but Nakata doesn’t really seem willing to do that and if he’s so convinced on Robert!scum, why pivot to Tweetie? But he seems not to care what Robert is, only that he’s limbait or something. Also another think that bothers me is he’s emotionally flat about everything. He has given us no reason to unvote him.

And why is townblocking scummy?

Instead of trying to push bs miselims, why don’t you address any of these points? I obviously don’t want to miselim but yoi just straight up ignored this and now you’re trying something comparible with Clidd. I don’t like it, not one bit.

[Amy Dunne]

Friend clidd has been deceived into voting Nakata by scum Amy Dunne/Morning Tweet/Infinity 324/Robert M Hunter. Nakata does not think they are all scum, but Nakata thinks there may be a lot of scum in them. You should help Nakata by voting Morning Tweet or Amy Dunne so that we can eliminate scum today!

Flea is not entirely convinced of Comrade Nakata, and is leaning towards rival Nakata, if faer entirely honest.

It’s hard not to see it as moving the goalposts. He was hardpushing Robert elim, then Tweetie and now me as well instead of making some good faith effort to convince me that I’m wrong on him. If he’s actually town doing this, he’s doing himself no favors.

[Amy Dunne]

Ydrasse's ability to rand mafia is limitless. She has done it yet again.

If she was town she would be beatboxing right now.

I’m really not sure what to make of what the NPAs are saying because unless Yang was being tongue-in-cheek with this, it’s obviously not a good take.

Yin

, do you actually know who the baddies are in this game? Both Yin and Yang agree that Yang is good and Yang said she doesn’t know who the scum are. So does Yin know anything at all or what do people think the purpose of the NPAs are in this game?

[Amy Dunne]

Ydrasse's ability to rand mafia is limitless. She has done it yet again.

If she was town she would be beatboxing right now.

I’m really not sure what to make of what the NPAs are saying because unless Yang was being tongue-in-cheek with this, it’s obviously not a good take.

Yin

, do you actually know who the baddies are in this game? Both Yin and Yang agree that Yang is good and Yang said she doesn’t know who the scum are. So does Yin know anything at all or what do people think the purpose of the NPAs are in this game?

I lean to it probably being tonge-in-cheek on reread actually.
I don’t think she was actually being serious with this.

[Amy Dunne]

He was hardpushing Robert elim

Nakata hasn't hard pushed anyone, Amy Dunne is telling lies about Nakata to try and get him eliminated. Nakata thinks Amy Dunne is operating in bad faith for saying things like this.

Yes, you’ve made it abundantly clear you don’t like me, what you haven’t done is actually respond to any of my questions. And once again, this is straight up bs. I’m asking you to tell me why I’m wrong on you, if I am?

And you keep not answering that and just bs shading me. What are you accusing me of lying about exactly? I think it’s extremely disingenuous of you to just dismiss my sincere questions and honest opions as “lies”,

[Amy Dunne]

Friend clidd has been deceived into voting Nakata by scum Amy Dunne/Morning Tweet/Infinity 324/Robert M Hunter. Nakata does not think they are all scum, but Nakata thinks there may be a lot of scum in them. You should help Nakata by voting Morning Tweet or Amy Dunne so that we can eliminate scum today!

Flea is not entirely convinced of Comrade Nakata, and is leaning towards rival Nakata, if faer entirely honest.

Friend Flea shouldn't vote for Nakata, Nakata is not a baddie and scum will win if they are able to eliminate friends like Nakata just because Nakata doesn't speak like everyone else!

I am not scum, do you even care about that?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks he will be bait if town and would rather know now than lose the game to a Robert lim later on.

Nakata doesn’t think “he’s only ever going to look scummy” is a good reason to veto him being limmed. Nakata doesn’t think that looking scummy makes someone not scum.

So, you’re saying I misread this? Because it certainly looks like you were trying to push him here.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

If Nakata is town then he should feel really bad about this but nothing you are saying is malking me think I’m wrong on you.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

Are you not fucking reading my posts or are you just straight up lying about me?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

If Nakata is town then he should feel really bad about this but nothing you are saying is malking me think I’m wrong on you.

Nakata doesn't understand why he should feel bad. Nakata doesn't think he has done anything wrong.

Because I’m town and if you’re actually town, that should actually fucking matter to you.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata is reading Amy Dunne's posts and does not believe that he is lying about her.

You are either not reading them, misconstruing them or straight up deliberately misrepping them. Which is it?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata does not understand getting upset with someone because they may be misreading you. If Amy Dunne is a friend and Nakata is wrong, then Nakata is not upset with Amy Dunne for misreading him. Nakata wishes Amy Dunne all the best. However, Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne to be town and does not think asserting that she is town is enough reason to believe this, especially given that Nakata knows she is pushing someone who Nakata does know is town.

Well I know you’re pushing someone I know is town dude, so are you going to bother explaining to me why I’m wrong or just continuing to lie about me?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata is reading Amy Dunne's posts and does not believe that he is lying about her.

You are either not reading them, misconstruing them or straight up deliberately misrepping them. Which is it?

Nakata does not think this is an accurate characterisation of what Nakata is doing.

Amy KNOWS it is because what Nakata is saying about her posts is flat out untrue and if Nakata we’re actually a friend, then he would clearly see that.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata has not been lying! Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne wants Nakata to say when she says "are you going to bother explaining to me why I'm wrong"! Nakata thinks his posts are clearly from a town perspective because Nakata is town.

I asked you why you keep switching your vote? First you wanted to lim Robert, then Tweetie and now maybe me? Do you not see why that looks bad and do you also not understand why Ydrasse voted you? Because it didn’t look like you were really trying to sort Robert.

You keep saying you’re town and your sole focus is slots on your wagon, which seems myopic to me.

[Amy Dunne]

Maybe Amy Dunne is a friend and the scum pushing him are Ydrasse and Morning Tweet. If that's the case, Amy Dunne should unvote Nakata and help him push them instead.

I don’t think they’re scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Also friend Clidd should unvote Nakata if Amy Dunne will not, because friend Flea is saying fae might vote for Nakata which would let scum hammer him.

UNVOTE:

for now because no need to rush this. I’m not voting Ydrasse or Tweetie, so if you’re not scum, don’t keep suggesting I vote slots I tr.

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata has not been lying! Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne wants Nakata to say when she says "are you going to bother explaining to me why I'm wrong"! Nakata thinks his posts are clearly from a town perspective because Nakata is town.

I asked you why you keep switching your vote? First you wanted to lim Robert, then Tweetie and now maybe me? Do you not see why that looks bad and do you also not understand why Ydrasse voted you? Because it didn’t look like you were really trying to sort Robert.

You keep saying you’re town and your sole focus is slots on your wagon, which seems myopic to me.

No, Nakata does not know why friend Ydrasse voted him. Nakata thought she was just mistaken but now Nakata is wondering if she is the type of scum who would set up a wagon and not just sheep onto it!

Nakata doesn't see why changing who he thinks is scum looks bad, particularly, Nakata thinks he is displaying a natural progression in his reads based on what's happening in the game.

Of course Nakata is more interested in those players on his wagon because the only information Nakata has for sure is that Nakata is town!

And Nakata was trying to sort Robert M Hunter!

Can you link/quote those posts where you were trying to sort Robert?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks he may have been wrong on Amy Dunne and she might be a friend. If Amy Dunne were scum Nakata is not sure why should would let up on him now.

I’m trying to figure out who is scum here and I don’t think it’s Tweetie and Ydrasse is one of my more confident trs, so if it’s not you, then who is fooling me then?

Who am I wrong on?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata thinks he may have been wrong on Amy Dunne and she might be a friend. If Amy Dunne were scum Nakata is not sure why should would let up on him now.

I’m trying to figure out who is scum here and I don’t think it’s Tweetie and Ydrasse is one of my more confident trs, so if it’s not you, then who is fooling me then?

Who am I wrong on?

Nakata knows both Morning Tweet and Ydrasse to be very good scumplayers so Nakata thinks that one or both of them might be fooling Amy Dunne. Also Infinity 324 might be scum, and Nakata still doesn't think Robert M Hunter has been town really.

Nakata thinks NorwegianboyEE is a friend, as is Tanner, and as is Chara, but he's not too sure on Pooky or Ircher. Maybe Ircher is not a friend, he doesn't seem very engaged in the game and Nakata thinks town would be having fun like him and want to play. Would Amy Dunne be willing to vote ircher with Nakata?

Ircher didn’t want to rush the day and since you were the lead wagon, why would scum!him do that?

[Amy Dunne]

for the record - i still would prefer to yeet robert. but i see everyone is going by the "he came back and *gasp* made posts and showed emotion, obviously town!!" logic, so.

i'm back to thinking amy is on the scummier side of things. i don't know why, but some of her recent posting feels like she's not happy to be here. (before you ask why i voted infinity - because i'm not townreading her either and there was already a vote on her.)

however, while i was starting to feel better feelings about nakata, 866 feels slightly off to me, specifically the last line. like, i get the idea behind "forcing townbloccs is +scum behaviour", but, that's a *big* part for why you're voting your preferred scumread? i dunno.

tl;dr, reads probably being trash.

Tanner, what makes you think I’m unhappy to be here? I’m really excited about this game, so I really don’t understand where you’re getting that from?

[Amy Dunne]

Whomever scum is in this game, they’re playing really well because I really don’t have a clue who to vote for. I do know who I don’t want to vote for.

I’m hard tr Norwee, Clidd and Ydrasse. Tweeitie, Pooky, Flea aren’t concering me and I think Tanner’s probably town as well. I still think Robert is probably a miselim but beyond that, I’m really stumped.

[Amy Dunne]

Yes, Nakata thinks that clidd tends to not be so methodical as scum and to struggle more to maintain his levels of effort, which Nakata is not seeing here. Furthermore, Nakata believes that friend Clidd does not enjoy playing scum very much and yet he seems genuinely happy to be here and to be playing which Nakata also thinks makes him town.

if clidd could respond to this as well that'd be helpful. thanks for the answer, too.

i still think your scumread on Tweetie isn't great, but the one on Ydrasse i like even less, i don't remember you giving justification for why they have an agenda in voting you besides that they're good at scum.

Chara keeps getting townier with each post.

[Amy Dunne]

ircher isn’t shmoozing or like... doing much of anything. he’s literally doing the opposite of things whereas in nancy v titus he was doing a lot as was his hydra partner like there was effort there to keep trying and churn out content to influence things which i see nothing of atm from him

This is why I unvoted Ircher, because if he’s scum then where is his agenda?

It sucks that I don’t have a confident sr yet.

Nakata, I still don’t like your pushes or why you think any are particularly good votes but I’m no longer sure you’re the best wagon but I don’t really know rn who is better?

Lots of slots have good scumgames but that doesn’t make them scum.

[Amy Dunne]

i do think Ircher could be scum here, and he's purposely using the angle of trying out a new playstyle/being upfront about his coasting to go ahead and coast. town Ircher has just as much incentive to scumhunt as scum Ircher does to fake scumhunt.

Could be.

So, I think my vote will be between, Nakata, Infinity and Ircher.

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

I think Pooky is town here and Infinity seems to be really struggling with the game. What do you think Pooky?

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

I think Pooky is town here and Infinity seems to be really struggling with the game. What do you think Pooky?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

This is a recent Infinity scumgame.

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

I think Pooky is town here and Infinity seems to be really struggling with the game. What do you think Pooky?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=200

This is a recent Infinity scumgame.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=21297

Town!Infinity. Nakata was also in that game as well.

[Amy Dunne]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=35840

town!Nakata

He has no scumgames.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: infinity

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck. if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Are you more confident on Nakata or Infinity?

I still can’t tell with Ircher.

I’m going to wait and see how Infinty responds because I think her reaction should hopefully be very telling but yeah I agree. I did think him pushing Infnity/me then you over Infinity was strange because her vote on him objectively looked the worst.

[Amy Dunne]

I meant Tweetie not Infinty.

[Amy Dunne]

I meant Tweetie not Infinty.

I didn’t understand why Nakata was pushing Tweetie - than me - than you but not Infinity when she had the worst vote on him.

[Amy Dunne]

I feel bad about mis-reading Infinity in the last game I played with her :< (we were T/T)

She does feel a bit scummier than usual but that's always been par for the course early

So would you prefer Nakata or Ircher then? I don’t really see voting anyone else unless something changes.

[Amy Dunne]

Tale tells of a stone. It holds the power of eternal life, eternal health, eternal happiness, eternal wealth.

It glimmers in red. It shines in gold. It glistens in silver. It sparkles in blue. It reflects in her eyes.

Countless hopefuls have tried to capture her eyes, and hold the stone for themself. Countless have died for it. The stones finish remains unmarred by the decades of blood and despair that follow in its wake.

The thief knows the stone is hidden somewhere here. And not just the stone. Equal and opposite in every way, it's sister sleeps with it. Sleeps down deep, deep, deep, in the depths of the ocean, falling, falling, falling.

Yin

, do you actually know who the baddies are in this game?

Speaking of the ocean, it contains at least 30 known species of criminal.

@

Yin

: how many factions are there?

This game has 3 factions.

@

Yin

Have I voted for a Criminal Yet?

Yes you have.

Yin

Whoa 3? Are you and Yang one of the factions?

And you didn’t really answer Pooky’s question. :/

[Amy Dunne]

Tale tells of a stone. It holds the power of eternal life, eternal health, eternal happiness, eternal wealth.

It glimmers in red. It shines in gold. It glistens in silver. It sparkles in blue. It reflects in her eyes.

Countless hopefuls have tried to capture her eyes, and hold the stone for themself. Countless have died for it. The stones finish remains unmarred by the decades of blood and despair that follow in its wake.

The thief knows the stone is hidden somewhere here. And not just the stone. Equal and opposite in every way, it's sister sleeps with it. Sleeps down deep, deep, deep, in the depths of the ocean, falling, falling, falling.

Yin

, do you actually know who the baddies are in this game?

Speaking of the ocean, it contains at least 30 known species of criminal.

@

Yin

: how many factions are there?

This game has 3 factions.

@

Yin

Have I voted for a Criminal Yet?

Yes you have.

Yin

Whoa 3? Are you and Yang one of the factions?

And you didn’t really answer Pooky’s question. :/

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler:

Perhaps we are in a mirror world and Yin and Yang are reflected as a warning to us.

I think we are asking the wrong questions.

We should not be asking

who

the criminals are.

Rather we should be asking

when

the criminals are.


Let me explain.


First, my story begins in the Mountains of Southern China.







Hidden deep within the Forbidden Mountains is a Temple that exists outside of our perception of reality.


I made the journey there when I was very young during a past life, my recollections hide on the edges of my mind like a dream lost in a cloudy haze, much as the mists hide the Mountains.


In the Temple I met the First Scholar, he was writing the I-Ching - You know it as the Book of Changes.


I gave him a gift of rice, a bottle of wine, and jade medallion with a secret inside of it.


In thanks he allowed me to look through his work.


His calligraphy was remarkable,


Every brushstroke divine, as if guided by the Hand of the Creator himself.


I don't remember much of the work but I do distinctly remember these truths:


Yin is Darkness,

Blackness,

True North,

The Shape of Water,

Tides Upon the Shoreline,

Ice forming upon a Frozen Lake,

Older than living memory,

Yin is the Spirit that gave us life.



Yang is Light,

Brilliance that Sparkles like a Diamond in the Sun,

True South,

The fire that provides light, hope, civilization.

The warmth of the hearth, shelter, safety.

The flame that burns in our hearts,

The youth that knows no fear,

Yang is the form of our lives.



But most importantly, Yang is male and Yin is female.

Something has gone wrong in this world and they have been flipped.

We need to go back in time, someone has altered the I-Ching. We must find the First Scholar.


@

Yin

When are we?

While the post is objectively beautiful and a work of art, most it went completely over my head. So if Yin and Tang have been flipped, how does that help us find scum? And how would we even go about finding the first scholar?

I’m liking Ircher a bit better. Maybe Ydrasse is right?

[Amy Dunne]

Spoiler:

Perhaps we are in a mirror world and Yin and Yang are reflected as a warning to us.

I think we are asking the wrong questions.

We should not be asking

who

the criminals are.

Rather we should be asking

when

the criminals are.


Let me explain.


First, my story begins in the Mountains of Southern China.







Hidden deep within the Forbidden Mountains is a Temple that exists outside of our perception of reality.


I made the journey there when I was very young during a past life, my recollections hide on the edges of my mind like a dream lost in a cloudy haze, much as the mists hide the Mountains.


In the Temple I met the First Scholar, he was writing the I-Ching - You know it as the Book of Changes.


I gave him a gift of rice, a bottle of wine, and jade medallion with a secret inside of it.


In thanks he allowed me to look through his work.


His calligraphy was remarkable,


Every brushstroke divine, as if guided by the Hand of the Creator himself.


I don't remember much of the work but I do distinctly remember these truths:


Yin is Darkness,

Blackness,

True North,

The Shape of Water,

Tides Upon the Shoreline,

Ice forming upon a Frozen Lake,

Older than living memory,

Yin is the Spirit that gave us life.



Yang is Light,

Brilliance that Sparkles like a Diamond in the Sun,

True South,

The fire that provides light, hope, civilization.

The warmth of the hearth, shelter, safety.

The flame that burns in our hearts,

The youth that knows no fear,

Yang is the form of our lives.



But most importantly, Yang is male and Yin is female.

Something has gone wrong in this world and they have been flipped.

We need to go back in time, someone has altered the I-Ching. We must find the First Scholar.


@

Yin

When are we?

While the post is objectively beautiful and a work of art, most it went completely over my head. So if Yin and Tang have been flipped, how does that help us find scum? And how would we even go about finding the first scholar?

I’m liking Ircher a bit better. Maybe Ydrasse is right?

[Amy Dunne]

that amy/nakata back and forth was so unpleasant to read, what the fuck.

Tanner, what makes you think I’m unhappy to be here? I’m really excited about this game, so I really don’t understand where you’re getting that from?

your recent posts before my 868 felt kind of bland and boring. and 844 felt scummy. i'm not too certain about your being scum right now though, recent posting felt better. i'll probably shelf it back to think about it later, as i doubt you're getting run up anyway.

clidd is probably town. also 967 (now that i'm actually reading it and not sleepily skipping over it) does feel like town ydrasse. i don't think i agree with the idea that scum!infinity > scum!nakata, but i wouldn't be *terribly* surprised i was wrong there. to me it feels obvious why nakata isn't extending the same mentality from robert to infinity, and i guess i don't really find it scummy, but this is probably better left for him to answer.

To be completely honest, you actually haven’t been very nice to me so far. I have no idea why?
I don’t see why 844 was scummy. That’s typical how I solve. I’m just trying to figure out who to vote for. If this game was based on who I absolutely would not vote for, this game would be hella easier.

[Amy Dunne]

Infinity seems like they are very sad they rolled scum in this game.

There's no energy, no spark of life. Nothing.

She could be scum but I was really hoping she’d post something since her wagon reached E-2. I was going to base my vote at least partially on her response but you could be right. She is definitely lacking that enthusiastic eagerness to solve I’ve come to expect from her towngames.

[Amy Dunne]

Pooky, can you link the game you miselimed Infinity in?

[Amy Dunne]

Pooky, can you link the game you miselimed Infinity in?

I’ve searching and I can’t find the game. :/

[Amy Dunne]

To be completely honest, you actually haven’t been very nice to me so far. I have no idea why?
I don’t see why 844 was scummy. That’s typical how I solve. I’m just trying to figure out who to vote for. If this game was based on who I absolutely would not vote for, this game would be hella easier.

apologies if i've been rude anywhere, but i don't think suspecting you to be scum or asking you why you're posting something is not being nice? we're playing mafia.

844 felt like trying to paint non-scummy things as coming from scum. like, the "if he's so certain on robert!scum, why pivot to tweetie" part felt kind of intentionally trying to make his actions more malicious then they really are.

Well I didn’t feel Nakata wasn’t nice to me, so it’s probably more your tone?

Like when I said I tr Clidd or something, you responded with “good for you”. Idk. It’s not really a big deal but since you complained about my interactions with Nakata, I thought I’d mention it.

Well maybe he could also be town doing that. I just didn’t understand the pivot to Tweetie att. I’m really frustrated that I don’t really have a confident sr yet but I tr the least Infinity, Ircher, Nakata.

[Amy Dunne]

She says I'm town which is silly cause I've barely been playing.

i townread the below post cause you've used a frustrated emoticon in response to being called scum in every game i've played with u thus far LOL

Silly sure but i also have a large tendency to townread you. Did you know ive townread you in every game we've played thus far? That's gotta be at least five games

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

No :/

Tweetie, have you ever wrongly tr Infinity?

[Amy Dunne]

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Votecount 1.13

[5] Infinity 324:

NorwegianboyEE, Tanner, Chara, clidd, Ydrasse

[2] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Morning Tweet

[1] Chara:

PookyTheMagicalBear

[1] Ircher:

Flea The Magician

[1] clidd:

Robert M Hunter

[1] Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

[2] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

We still have time, hopefully I will just know soon.

[Amy Dunne]

you quoted my wall where i said i thought clidd was scummy to say "really? he's one of my strongest townreads" without explaining why you think so, asking for my reasons, or trying to change my mind. that's a scummy post that adds nothing to the table while attempting to make it look like you're contributing something. so i asked what was the point of posting it.

your constant "oh i'm so frustrated, i don't have a strong scumread, i don't know where to vote, woe is me" are really starting to sound fake.

:/

Your take on me is super bad. I don’t play like this as scum. No wonder I’m not keen to trust any of your reads I don’t agree with.

I never ever get accused of being “fake” or “off” when I’m scum. So, that’s should definitely tell you something.

[Amy Dunne]

Also Tanner but excuse me if I actually want to due my townie due diligence to try my best not to miselim. I love when I get sr for being obvtown, it’s almost amusing - not.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy, you're not obvtown. Nobody really is imo.
Don't start fights just because someone says you aren't.

I’m annoyed that Tanner called my sincere desire not to miselim as “fake”. Pooky says he miselimed Infinity, so until I see her post, I don’t feel right about putting her to E-1 or at the very least find that game to see if I think her play is similar here.

I absolutely hate to miselim, so yes getting sr for that really annoys me.

[Amy Dunne]

Going by my experience of your slot and that you've managed to fool me into thinking you were town once. I'd say you're objectively not "obvtown", so if you would not act so presumptuous as to assume that everyone who says otherwise is scum it would really help in reading you if you actually ARE town here.
Now i'd say you're more likely leaning town than not, but claiming that you are town with 100% certainty i would absolutely not.

When did I ever say I sr Tanner? I think he’s wrong town. And Clidd initially sr me and even voted me, so I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment at all.

Several people are iffy on Nakata, so that has absolutely nothing to do with my read on him.

[Amy Dunne]

saying "i don't know who to vote and i don't wanna misyeet" is one of the easiest things to fake as scum. it also adds literally nothing to the conversation. the longer you keep that act up, the more fake it gets, and i'm gonna call you out on it.

Go ahead then but that’s actually a super obvious towntell for me because I obviously don’t gaf about miseliming anyone when scum, so you need to read me better.

Norwee, one thing is 100% always true for me regardless of alignment and that is I’m always genuine. When I was upset at House and left the thread that was real, so I am never ever fake.

So that’s probably the one thing that tends to irc me over anything else, whenever I get told that.

[Amy Dunne]

When did I ever say I sr Tanner? I think he’s wrong town.

You called Datisi's take super bad so i assumed you didn't think he was townie. But ok, how strong is your read on them?

It’s not as strong as on you, Clidd, Ydrasse and Pooky. I’d say those are my most confident trs. I’d probably put him in my next tier with Flea, Tweetie, Chara and Robert.

Maybe it’s because I don’t know if Datisi ever acts this angry as scum but he sounds really townie, so probably not too worried about him rn.

[Amy Dunne]

Maybe it’s because I don’t know if Datisi ever acts this angry as scum but he sounds really townie, so probably not too worried about him rn.

I can remember Datisi was quite hostile in smugglers port so i wouldn't put it behind him for that reason alone.

Oh really? I have never seen angry scum!Datisi, so noted then.

[Amy Dunne]

Maybe it’s because I don’t know if Datisi ever acts this angry as scum but he sounds really townie, so probably not too worried about him rn.

I can remember Datisi was quite hostile in smugglers port so i wouldn't put it behind him for that reason alone.

Oh really? I have never seen angry scum!Datisi, so noted then.

I checked up on it and apparently he was angry because i scumread him fOr tHe wRoNg ReAsOnS in that game. So i don't know how relevant it is, but there you have it.

Ah well that would make sense then. Tanner, why do you seem to be so angry this game? Is Ydrasse right, because of the alt? Ngl I do find it a bit unerving, almost like I not extremely eager to engage with you here because of that.

[Amy Dunne]

I obviously don’t gaf about miseliming anyone when scum

ah yes. because scum would absolutely never pretend to give a fuck.

also yeah, townreading me purely because i'm pissed off is not the best way to go about it. you can try to compare how genuine the pissed-offness sounds i guess, i can't objectively tell myself.

The difference is pretty damned obvious if you actually compared it with my scumgames. I suck at doing fake AtEs. I always think that people will see right through it.

[Amy Dunne]

It's the super manly avatar. It gives Datisi this terrifying presence.

OiC.

I almost want to post an Irish Spring video but I won’t. XD

[Amy Dunne]

i get annoyed when people are insisting that they're obvtown when they're objectively not, and then they act insulted that i'm not seeing it.

i'm not feeling angry though. i think it might be the avatar subconsciously making you think so.

Well, I do an will always get annoyed whenever I get accused of being fake. I’m saying my

frustration

about not confidently having a confident sr IS a towntell for me. Obviously just not having one by itself would be NAI. But I’m obviously not going to be able to convince you of that.

[Amy Dunne]

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not AtE
I'm telling you why
Tanner Claus is coming to the town.

He's making a reads list
He's checking it twice
He's gonna find out who's scummy or nice
Tanner Claus is coming to check if you're town.

I’m actually getting visuals of Xmas carollers singing that.

[Amy Dunne]

So uhh, *munches pizza* Infinity still not showed up huh?
*Munch Munch*

17 hrs now but it’s not an ellitell, I checked.

[Amy Dunne]

Ok but can we elim nakata? The whole interaction with Amy looked like he wanted to maintain his scumread without having to argue about it. I do feel like Amy was overreacting to his scumread, and I understand why he wanted to avoid that argument, but I'd expect town who believed in their read to at least push on it, or like give reasons, or something.

What perplexes me is that he was okay with pushing anyone on his wagon except for you. What’s your theory on that?

[Amy Dunne]

Ok but can we elim nakata? The whole interaction with Amy looked like he wanted to maintain his scumread without having to argue about it. I do feel like Amy was overreacting to his scumread, and I understand why he wanted to avoid that argument, but I'd expect town who believed in their read to at least push on it, or like give reasons, or something.

What perplexes me is that he was okay with pushing anyone on his wagon except for you. What’s your theory on that?

Actually scratch that not Clidd but Tweetie, then me and then even Ydrasse.

[Amy Dunne]

You guys are really good at this game, I read all that bickering and you all sound town to me.

Except maybe Nakata, I'm not feeling it.

Who is Tweetie?

Morning Tweet

[Amy Dunne]

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

The Ydrasse part I totally didn’t get but I’ve gotten wrongly sr for omgussing people wagoning me, so idk.

I suppose that could be possible but then he was okay limming Robert and that didn’t really affect his decision.

I think I understand what Norwee is saying, I’m not really feeling your conviction here.

[Amy Dunne]

i have just spent a grand total of 45 seconds skimming robert's iso in this game, and i am back to really wanting to kill him. okay, thanks for listening.

I would have also killed him, had I been in that game.

[Amy Dunne]

You guys are really good at this game, I read all that bickering and you all sound town to me.

Except maybe Nakata, I'm not feeling it.

Who is Tweetie?

So, you now tr Tanner and do you have any reasons on Nakata?

[Amy Dunne]

There's no conflict between being perceived as a threat and being an easy elimination.

You are being disingenuous when you pretend not to understand that I meant to say that there will be scum in both people that defend me or vote forme.

I don't actually believe I am a threat to scum, I was just lashing out.

Here's a read, clidd is scum who refuses to give up on an easy elimination that looks like it could come to fruition soon.

So Robert, I never understood this vote because that didn’t seem to align at all with Clidd’s takes on you.

[Amy Dunne]

I think I’m losing my Robert tr.

I think I could do Robert or Infinity today.

I’m not currently really feeling Ircher or Nakata.

But I just don’t feel conviction in Infinity’s Nakata sr like I did with Ydrasse.

So, I think I could be persuaded on either.

[Amy Dunne]

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

My issue with Nakata was that there was literally no basis for that take but I don’t agree that it’s something scum would never do, so this is another take I dislike.

Infinity, where are you getting that Nakata was trying to appease me while sr me?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata does not understand getting upset with someone because they may be misreading you. If Amy Dunne is a friend and Nakata is wrong, then Nakata is not upset with Amy Dunne for misreading him. Nakata wishes Amy Dunne all the best. However, Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne to be town and does not think asserting that she is town is enough reason to believe this, especially given that Nakata knows she is pushing someone who Nakata does know is town.

Infinity, how do you get “appeasement” from this?

[Amy Dunne]

Nakata has not been lying! Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne wants Nakata to say when she says "are you going to bother explaining to me why I'm wrong"! Nakata thinks his posts are clearly from a town perspective because Nakata is town.

Maybe Amy Dunne is a friend and the scum pushing him are Ydrasse and Morning Tweet. If that's the case, Amy Dunne should unvote Nakata and help him push them instead.

Nakata thinks he may have been wrong on Amy Dunne and she might be a friend. If Amy Dunne were scum Nakata is not sure why should would let up on him now.

i got the feeling satoru regretted going after you from these posts and wanted to engage, @amy, but i also don't think he really believed that you were scum so ya know

There was no basis for Nakata to think either Tweetie or I would push you after his presumed townflip but why isn’t something scum would never do?

Idk, Tanner wrongly sr my 848 or whatever?

[Amy Dunne]

oh and Ydrasse answered. ah well. i did want to see what Inf was thinking there before someone else gave an explanation.

pedit: hello!

So you agree with Infinity’s reasoning then?

[Amy Dunne]

Friend Flea shouldn't vote for Nakata, Nakata is not a baddie and scum will win if they are able to eliminate friends like Nakata just because Nakata doesn't speak like everyone else!

Uh, no one is trying to eliminate you based on the way you're speaking...

Why is Nakata being called Rival? Nakata is not a Rival, Nakata is a friend. Nakata thinks the baddies these game are conspiring against him because of his manner of speaking.

I think it's really problematic that you think this is the reason you are being pushed.

Nakata thinks a substantial part of why people are pushing him is how he communicates! Nakata really doesn't think he's been very scummy so Nakata is doubtful that it's all or primarily based on his play.

What you perceive is very much biased by your own knowledge. A different perception is by no means scum-indicative. It isn't even problematic; it just suggests a different viewing angle.

Nakata knows both Morning Tweet and Ydrasse to be very good scumplayers so Nakata thinks that one or both of them might be fooling Amy Dunne.

They may, but this argument isn't really convincing. Aside from voting you (which is tainted by your own knowledge/bias), do you have a reason to suspect them? Alternatively, you can explain how their reasoning with regards to voting you is flawed, but it needs to be more than "you are an easy target" or "your posting style is easy to scum read".

Okay, maybe I shouldn’t necessarily dismiss Nakata but I like these posts by Ircher and don’t want to vote there.

[Amy Dunne]

i haven't seen Infinity's reasoning, that was my point.

Oh sorry, I misunderstood then.

[Amy Dunne]

oh and Ydrasse answered. ah well. i did want to see what Inf was thinking there before someone else gave an explanation.

pedit: hello!

Okay, Chara who do you think we should elm? I definitely don’t want to lim Ircher today.

One thing I did observe when I tried to do an Infinity metadive was that Nakata was in a couple of those games and his posts seemed far more nuanced then what I’ve seen here.

[Amy Dunne]

i don't like those posts. it's Ircher providing commentary on the situation and on Nakata's posting without actually committing to an opinion.

Well, I like Infinity’s catchup, so I don’t think I want to vote her anymore.

So, you would lim Ircher then, is what I’m getting from this?

[Amy Dunne]

i actually agree with the above partially, Nakata when pressed articulated his townreads pretty well and they felt like they had some substance, but the Amy scumread was based on one singular interaction, and the Tweetie scumread felt simularly shallow and based on one minor thing. then when Amy pushed back Nakata reconsidered and brought forward other players again (Ydrasse and Tweetie) on the basis on having strong scumgames and i think PoE based on the other townreade, but still hasn't given any convincing reason for me to think he genuinely scumreads them. i think PoE is a fine tactic but it doesn't feel like Nakata was really employing it as much as putting forward names he could present some minor justification for.

but re: appeasing Amy, i want to say it's -aligned because it does look like Amy was genuinely angry and Nakata was trying to avoid escalation, and i don't see this happening between partners this way. i townread Amy anyway but it's worth noting.

But do you like Infinty and Ydrasee read the appeasement as scum indicative?

[Amy Dunne]

Does Nakata usually appease slots he’s sr? Is that typical?

[Amy Dunne]

Subject: Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

Nakata disagrees that skitter30’s posting doesn’t feel survivalists and thinks that skitter30!town would have engaged with Nakata in a less confrontational way if skitter30 were town.

Sorry i shouldnt be so confrontational, i apologize

Nakata wanted to address that an apology is and was entirely unnecessary. Nakata wasn't upset by skitter30's approach to him, he just thought it was very scum!indicative for her, because Nakata's more typical experiences with skitter30 have involved her trying to sort slots that are maybe unclear to her through prodding them for motivations rather than what Nakata felt was a stronger response in this game than the typical to him. Nakata also felt skitter30 did feel very survivalistic and couldn't tell why should would present as strongly in that sense if she were town.

Actually it isn’t unusual. He also apologized to Skitter, so that’s not scum indicative for him.

[Amy Dunne]

i also think Pooky could be scum here.

Why? If he did this “I thought you were good at reading me” schtck as scum, i would yeet him into the next century but scum!him usually has an agenda.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy do you already know I'm town? :3

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

The bolded in particular. He actually tried to protect in a game by wrongly tr him while still playing to his wincon. So, I just don’t think scum!Pooky would try this crap on me because he knows how extremely upset I was after he fooled me in a past game. He isn’t FL who obviously wouldn’t give a shit but Pooky absolutely would.

In Trust Fall, he refused to pair with me because he didn’t want it to be my fault town lost. I still got blamed for it anyway but Pooky felt really bad how upset I was after Hideyoshi.

So, I just have real trouble believing that he’d do something underhanded to manipulate me like this.

[Amy Dunne]

what did you think of my Ircher read, by the way?

I agree he hasn’t really done much Ai.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy do you already know I'm town? :3

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

The bolded in particular. He actually tried to protect in a game by wrongly tr him while still playing to his wincon. So, I just don’t think scum!Pooky would try this crap on me because he knows how extremely upset I was after he fooled me in a past game. He isn’t FL who obviously wouldn’t give a shit but Pooky absolutely would.

In Trust Fall, he refused to pair with me because he didn’t want it to be my fault town lost. I still got blamed for it anyway but Pooky felt really bad how upset I was after Hideyoshi.

So, I just have real trouble believing that he’d do something underhanded to manipulate me like this.

i don't think 712 would be all that underhanded? i mean, i definitely think there is a limit when it comes to being manipulative that goes right into being an asshole, but it seems like a really innocuous comment and i don't see how else scum Pooky would be able to respond to your read on him. just ignore it?

Yeah but if he’s scum, it’s still a brazen attempt to manipulate me specifically and I’d like to believe that Pooky wouldn’t take advantage of me this way, because he knows if he ever did anything like that, he would be hearing about for weeks on end. Because I would be super pissed at him, if he ever singled me out like that as scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Amy do you already know I'm town? :3

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

The bolded in particular. He actually tried to protect in a game by wrongly tr him while still playing to his wincon. So, I just don’t think scum!Pooky would try this crap on me because he knows how extremely upset I was after he fooled me in a past game. He isn’t FL who obviously wouldn’t give a shit but Pooky absolutely would.

In Trust Fall, he refused to pair with me because he didn’t want it to be my fault town lost. I still got blamed for it anyway but Pooky felt really bad how upset I was after Hideyoshi.

So, I just have real trouble believing that he’d do something underhanded to manipulate me like this.

i don't think 712 would be all that underhanded? i mean, i definitely think there is a limit when it comes to being manipulative that goes right into being an asshole, but it seems like a really innocuous comment and i don't see how else scum Pooky would be able to respond to your read on him. just ignore it?

Yeah but if he’s scum, it’s still a brazen attempt to manipulate me specifically and I’d like to believe that Pooky wouldn’t take advantage of me this way, because he knows if he ever did anything like that, he would be hearing about for weeks on end. Because I would be super pissed at him, if he ever singled me out like that as scum.

I’m right about this, aren’t I Pooky?

[Amy Dunne]

or are you saying scum Pooky would just not ask you to read him earlygame like he did?

If he tried that as scum, it would also be stupid because it would clearly come back to bite him if he ever tried it again.

No, because I think he respects our friendship too much to emotionally manipulate me that way. And I know he does think this despite my only correctly reading him as town. I will never feel I can read him correctly until I correctly sr him which obviously hasn’t happened yet.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m right about this, aren’t I Pooky?

I would definitely not put myself through that just to win a mafia game

Pooky is good here. <3

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah but if he’s scum, it’s still a brazen attempt to manipulate me specifically and I’d like to believe that Pooky wouldn’t take advantage of me this way, because he knows if he ever did anything like that, he would be hearing about for weeks on end. Because I would be super pissed at him, if he ever singled me out like that as scum.

This isn't a good metric to use in solving slots.
Especially considering i think you said the exact same about Flavour in the anime theme and then he proved you wrong.

Pooky isn’t Flavor and Flavor would absolutely do that to me. I argued with him in our mason PT about Pooky and well, I was stupid to trust him but in Pooky’s case, I actually have proof, because he genuinely did try to protect me in Trust Fall while stil managing to play to his wincon. Flavor would never have done that.

[Amy Dunne]

what do you think Pooky would do if he did roll scum with town you? wouldn't you then catch him immediately because he failed to buddy you or get you to townread him?

He would obviously still play to his wincon but saying something, like I quoted would be extremely underhanded and I think he would try other ways to achieve his wincon. Obviously, he would have to deceive me but not ever like that.

[Amy Dunne]

i'm of the opinion that if two friends can't play mafia together for fear of jeopardizing their friendship if one of them does any scum manipulation, it might not be a good idea to have them join games together.

that thought is less related to this game than my previous post, but i am saying it because i'm in that situation myself. just saying that for clarity of intent.

But why would scum!Pooky even need to do that when he could easily find less problematic ways to achieve his wincon? This statement is literally assuming, he would ever actually be forced to make that kind of choice and that isn’t what I’m saying at all. Like there are certain things I would also not do to a friend to win a scum game. I think it’s possible to win honourably.

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah but if he’s scum, it’s still a brazen attempt to manipulate me specifically and I’d like to believe that Pooky wouldn’t take advantage of me this way, because he knows if he ever did anything like that, he would be hearing about for weeks on end. Because I would be super pissed at him, if he ever singled me out like that as scum.

I hate that this is a thing we're using to solve. Mafia is a game that involves manipulating, scum shouldn't feel guilty about manipulating people to play to their wincon.

That isn’t even remotely what I’m saying. :/. Of course scum!Pooky would manipulate me - he’d obviously have to but there are ways he could do that which would be clearly less problematic. He’s a very good scum player as you all know, so he wouldn’t have to resort to something like that is my point.

[Amy Dunne]

anything i'd do to a stranger in a mafia game i'd do to a friend. the idea is to be respectful to everyone. i wouldn't purposely avoid doing something because a player is a friend. and i don't find manipulating anyone as scum to be dishonourable. there's a line, but i don't think this game is a useful place to discuss it.

And yet he protected me and still managed to win Trust Fall. I don’t believe scum!Pooky would say that to me if he was scum here, is the bottom line.

[Amy Dunne]

If Satoru Nakata is town then i think they'd be an pretty easy miselim due to their weird mannerism and low charisma. Hence my paranoia with Infinity here and how quickly the Nakata wagon rose up.

Well, the appeasement part isn’t scum indicative as I showed with Skitter but I do agree that his reasons for sr me weren’t good.

[Amy Dunne]

Yeah but if he’s scum, it’s still a brazen attempt to manipulate me specifically and I’d like to believe that Pooky wouldn’t take advantage of me this way, because he knows if he ever did anything like that, he would be hearing about for weeks on end. Because I would be super pissed at him, if he ever singled me out like that as scum.

I hate that this is a thing we're using to solve. Mafia is a game that involves manipulating, scum shouldn't feel guilty about manipulating people to play to their wincon.

That isn’t even remotely what I’m saying. :/. Of course scum!Pooky would manipulate me - he’d obviously have to but there are ways he could do that which would be clearly less problematic. He’s a very good scum player as you all know, so he wouldn’t have to resort to something like that is my point.

There's something deeply problematic about that sort of thinking in a game of mafia. I hate to go too much off topic but as long as the mafia is not being toxic or emotionally abusive i really don't see any problem with doing whatever it takes to fool other people into thinking they are not mafia. And if they already know that Amy thinks: "X would never do that as scum" that is just all the more reason to do exactly that. Having a flexible scum meta is key to actually being good as that alignment.
Anyway i do not think Pooky has done anything he would consider "too much" to do to you if he was scum here. And if you think he has, clearly we disagree.

Pooky is a competent enough scumplayer that he can win without doing something like that.

[Amy Dunne]

amy, genuine question: how is it problematic to do what he did, and why would pooky not do something that was easy if it's like... like what's the issue?

Because I don’t believe he’d do that to me as scum. He could find much superior ways to win and you all know, he’s good enough to do that.

[Amy Dunne]

If Satoru Nakata is town then i think they'd be an pretty easy miselim due to their weird mannerism and low charisma. Hence my paranoia with Infinity here and how quickly the Nakata wagon rose up.

i also didn't like Infinity's Nakata vote, but her follow-up on it wasn't too bad.
how is that different from Infinity herself, though? her wagon also seemed to spring up pretty fast, and i have heard from players in this game i can't remember that her day 1 isn't the best.

Yeah that’s true.

[Amy Dunne]

cuz theres no need for me to manipulate her when nobody really suspects me to begin with since im so townie even Datisi thinks I'm good this game ^_^

I really don’t see why anyone thinks it’s problematic that you’re competent enough as scum that you can win without such tactics.

[Amy Dunne]

okay, well

i'm not trying to be rude by saying this but i don't think that reason is going to hold weight with anyone else here so like, if you actually have other reasons for pooky to be town it'd be nice to hear them so you can convince /us/

How is he scummy? What is his qgenda here if scum? In what game ever do you see scum!Pooky not have any agenda?

I’d really like to have a decent chance of us getting a scumflip, so I’m not interested in voting a slot I’m reasonably confident will flip town.

[Amy Dunne]

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

Pooky wouldn’t say this to me as scum here, he just wouldn’t.

[Amy Dunne]

I guess I'd think if Robert had a scum team they'd tell him you were Datisi ?

So here for example, because I thought the same thing.

[Amy Dunne]

okay, well

i'm not trying to be rude by saying this but i don't think that reason is going to hold weight with anyone else here so like, if you actually have other reasons for pooky to be town it'd be nice to hear them so you can convince /us/

The main issue i have with their read is that it’s presenting an highly subjective and one-dimensional view of Pooky’s play and character, which Amy clearly believes in, but it is downplaying Pooky’s abilities and making him seem much worse at the game and easy to read than he really is.

I said he’s extremely good at scum and can win without relying on such tactics. He also seems pretty genuine tone-wise. As Tanner already said, he didn’t sound evil.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: robert

those posts on me were just bad. i can kind of excuse 251 if i squint, considering he didn't know whose alt this is (but also not really because point 1. is still awful), but the stretch of "tanner is excusing his future play!!" and the fact he's shown zero nuance in thinking about his read on me after learning that some of his points were moot... yeah no.

flea is currently next on my list. i got excited seeing 319, thinking it's actually gonna be a game related catch-up, and instead it was just... mech filler. faer only real read so far has been "tanner gut"... not vibing.

other people that i dislike so far are ydrasse and amy dunne - for kind of similar reasons i guess? ydrasse has still not really Done anything, and Amy's posts seem to be forced posting for the sake of posting.

(i can already hear robert typing how i'm blocking townread on a lot of people - yes, i am. these people aren't being townie. they deserve to get called out.)

norwee and tweetie seem like they're not internally screaming when they're posting, so i'll call those a townlean.

pooky is not giving me evil vibes for once

, and i don't know what that means, but i'm running with it for now. also ircher seems like he gives absolutely zero shits so, in the absence of proper townreads, i'm calling that a townlean for now too. i think everyone else is too close to the null line to go one way or the other for me.

[Amy Dunne]

tweeetie

tweeeetie

tweeeeeeeeetttttttttieeee

are you town? are you town? are you town?

pls pls pls pls tell me you're town I WANT TO BE CARRIED

☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu
☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu
☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu
☆⌒ヽ(*'､^*)chu

Also, as good at it as he is, Pooky really hates being scum and I see this gif aligning with his mindset. He seems really happy.

[Amy Dunne]

norwee r u actually worried about being mis-elimmed

but thats the most reliable way to townread you :<

Townie thought process

[Amy Dunne]

you're off your game infy

are you a baddie or something

are you sure you didn't mis-read your role pm? :3

happi scumday hectic

I like Norwe Robert and Infy

I like Tweetie but I am needy and want her to do more <3

I guess I'd think if Robert had a scum team they'd tell him you were Datisi ?

that being said, @pooky, i do wanna talk about 198. i know i'm no don corleone, but i don't think i'm *that* bad as scum as to already be getting a townread from you. mind talking about it?

I like your assertive edginess - feels like town!you.

I dunno if scum!you has the confidence to bluster so hard so fast.

tho I guess if Ydrasse is scum you could be scum with her but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

answer my question, pookster. pooky. pooks. pookybear.

I didn't even see your question I'm too happy sorry

robert has been limbait in every game I've ever played with him and he was mafia once and town once or twice I don't remember off top of my head.

this is probly the towniest he's ever been relative to his play in those other games.

Amy do you already know I'm town? :3

I thought you said you knew how to read me >.>

I'm not really trying very hard yet cuz I'm like incredibly lazy.

I was kind of worried about you earlier because you seem to pop in only in spurts and you were gone for a while at the start but the more you post/interact the better I'm going to have a feel for your alignment.

this is like the towniest he's ever been lol

but he's also crazy

Tweetie I just want you to feel good about townreading me correctly <3

cuz robert is incapable of being conciliatory. it has nothing to do with alignment lol

I can't read crazy people

I feel bad about mis-reading Infinity in the last game I played with her :< (we were T/T)

She does feel a bit scummier than usual but that's always been par for the course early

Is that enough for you all yet?

[Amy Dunne]

she's right you know

when I get a red role pm I sound like a cartoon villain version of myself.

You also say "Ok boomer" a lot.

Actually that gif looks kind of scummy.





Kidding.

[Amy Dunne]

I never ever get accused of being “fake” or “off” when I’m scum. So, that’s should definitely tell you something.

That shouldn't be too hard to change/subvert.

Go ahead then but that’s actually a super obvious towntell for me because I obviously don’t gaf about miseliming anyone when scum, so you need to read me better.

I agree with Tanner here. Even if it's your meta, it's too easy to subvert to give you more than a slight town read for it. It's a far cry from obvious town.

No, I pretty much choke when I have tried it. The only time I did was when I was jester and I felt really gross afterwards.

Not exactly getting warm fuzzies from this post. Because if it’s my meta, than it would be the polar opposite of easy, wouldn’t you think?

[Amy Dunne]

he hasn't towntold is the short of it. and scum Pooky doesn't always get into gear right away, either. i'm used to town Pooky caring more than he has so far

Pooky is on my watchlist at the moment for similar reasoning.

Town pooky cares more than scum pooky.

He’s town as am I. I think #868 was a valid question. That’s just the way I solve. I look at all aspects from different angels.

[Amy Dunne]

Am I voting your wolfmate?

Robert, not everyone sr you is scum. I think Flea is town because her reasoning makes sense as town. Are you typically this omgussy? I also think Tanner is as well.

[Amy Dunne]

Am I voting your wolfmate?

Robert, not everyone sr you is scum. I think Flea is town because FAER reasoning makes sense as town. Are you typically this omgussy? I also think Tanner is as well.

Sorry Flea.

[Amy Dunne]

We could policy-elim Robert, but meh.

For violating which policy?

This stretch of posts by Robert reflects as particularly good to me. Something about attacking his defenders and in his mind sealing his fate comes off as towny to me and is a thought i have pretty often as town in that scenario actually.

What do you mean by sealing his fate? He hasn't really accepted that he'll be limmed. Also, while it's perhaps less conventional to attack one's attackers, he didn't give off a particularly strong basis for that line of thought. His argument boiled down to a probabilistic one, so I'd be skeptical of giving a player a pass for that.

Saying "Kill the people defending me after I die" is more or less resigned thinking. It's like the opposite of survivalism combined with seeming to give a care about what happens after you die

Maybe not sealing his fate although Robert proceeded to vote clidd who was his most vocal defender

Hm. Sort of a pattern of Robert attacking people townreading him this game

Norwegian, Morning Tweet, Pooky, Ydrasse, Amy are town reads.

I guess the omgussy thing I said wasn’t accurate because I did seriously consider voting him and his read on me didn’t change.

[Amy Dunne]

Which also makes me think that the occasional sudden appearances probably point to a disorganization that would be harmful to scum!he (and something that scum!he would try to avoid, but town!he probably wouldn't care much).

Hm, that's not a bad point. I am more.. deliberate with posting as scum and could see that

However, I feel like his posting earlier this game targetted Nakata (who was under fire at the time) with fairly reasonable but very easy to make observations that didn't necessarily make Nakata scum but certainly had the appearance of adding fuel to the fire for their elim (978 + 979). Idk if that makes sense. Ircher targets one of the wagons to point out some mistakes they are making, which I think may have been done to appear like he's doing something while also reflecting poorly on Nakata whilst not locking Ircher to any stances.

Scrolling thru Ircher's ISO, there isn't much that deviates much from soft stances, reasonable and very agreeable takes, n the like.

Amy you can't be obvtown yet - 1143
Aforementined Nakata posts - 978/979
Robert you aren't saying much - 732

Most of the rest is engaging Yin/Yang sort of mysteriously. Very early game Ircher wasn't impressed with Norwe and found Flea/Tanner to be town, which are harder stances than he's been giving recently

People are somewhat mischaracterizing what I actually said. I said my frustration at not knowing who to vote for is super obvious towntell for me because despite what certain people have argued, I detest fake AtEing with a passion.

[Amy Dunne]

¶

Votecount 1.3

[2] Ydrasse:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Tanner

[2] Tanner:

Flea The Magician, Chara

[2] Ircher:

Robert M Hunter, Satoru Nakata

[1] Chara:

Morning Tweet

[6] Not Voting:

Amy Dunne, Ircher, Infinity 324, clidd, Ydrasse, NorwegianBoyEE

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Why Ydrasse? Only two players have voted for Ydrasse.

This can’t be up to date?

[Amy Dunne]

@Yin

What is the maximum number of votes a member of the scumteam has received so far?

5 votes.

If this is not bullshit it means there’s scum in Ircher/Infinity/Robert as those have all had 5 votes.[/quote]

Has Ircher given a read on anyone but you so far? I don’t recall? Yin obviously doesn’t count.

In Pooky v FL, he gave actual reads. The only read he’s given so far was a bad one on you.

[Amy Dunne]

Replace Robert with Nakata. I’m dumb.

Ircher/Infinity/Nakata

Yeah I was just going to ask that.

I’m leaning to voting Ircher because he’s just posting pretty much fluff things and not really trying to solve.

[Amy Dunne]

Ircher, can you please give us a possible readslist or ar least some kind of reads?

[Amy Dunne]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

If the last part is true then one of my reads obviously has to be wrong.

[Amy Dunne]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

Also, there is zero or one scum in

Amy

/Robert/Tanner.

0-1 really doesn’t tell us anything.

[Amy Dunne]

Well actually Morning Tweet, the answer is specifically that "a least 1 member of the scum team has received at least five votes up to this point"
Meaning Yin is saying there is a scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata.

Ah, it looked like "The most any scumteam member has been voted is 5 times" to me.

But that makes a lot more sense if accurate

That’s way more useful than 0-1 anyway.

[Amy Dunne]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

Also, there is zero or one scum in Amy/Robert/Tanner.

Yeah right, it was a really big non-statement but thinking about it, it means there can only be maximum 1 scum in that group. Or there is 0.

So, it’s useless.

[Amy Dunne]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

Also, there is zero or one scum in

Amy

/Robert/Tanner.

0-1 really doesn’t tell us anything.

Well I think it reflects well on that being my current town bloc, at least. If you reverse it, that means there's guaranteed 2 town.

pedit: "The most any scumteam member has been voted is 5 times" is useless cause no one has gone over 5. Unless someone has.

Being voted 5 times isn’t identical to being put at E-1 but comments like “0-1 scum” are completely meaningless.

[Amy Dunne]

According to Yin:

- There is scum in Ircher/Infinity/Nakata
- There is scum in Norwee/Pooky/Chara
- There are 3 factions (Repeated twice)
- Yang is not an criminal.
- Pooky has voted for a criminal at some point. (Voted slots before post 981: Chara/Tanner/Morning Tweet/Ydrasse)

Also, there is zero or one scum in

Amy

/Robert/Tanner.

0-1 really doesn’t tell us anything.

It does tell us that if 1 scum flips in that group then the other 2 should not be scum.

Of course, this is all big assumptions to make since we don't know what Yin's purpose is, they could just be here to mislead us.

Well Yang is a heroine and Yin is allegedly her polar opposite, so very possible. I’m taking their comments with a truckload of salt - especially Yin’s.

[Amy Dunne]

@mods, can we have an updated VC please?

[Amy Dunne]

¶

Votecount 1.15

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[3] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara

[2] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner, Flea The Magician

[1] Infinity 324:

clidd

[2] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

I was wrong, Ircher is at 5 votes currently according to this.

[Amy Dunne]

On the off chance Yin isn’t bsing us.

Yin

Have I voted a criminal yet and have I voted more than 1 of them?

[Amy Dunne]

Yin

- Are there any truly criminal between

Amy Dunne

, Ydrasse and Ircher?

Yang

- Hi.

Why put Ircher with me and Ydrasse?

I don’t tr Ircher.

[Amy Dunne]

@Yin

What is the maximum number of votes a member of the scumteam has received so far?

5 votes.

If this is not bullshit it means there’s scum in Ircher/Infinity/Robert as those have all had 5 votes.

Replace Robert with Nakata. I’m dumb.

Ircher/Infinity/Nakata

this is wrong. "the maximum number of votes that a member of the scumteam has received so far is 5"

DOES NOT

imply that "there is a member of the scumteam that has received 5 votes so far". the only thing it means is that "whoever has received more than 5 votes is not scum", but, as (to my count) nobody had received 6 or more votes at that time, yin's answer is literally worthless to us.

Like the 0-1 thing.

[Amy Dunne]

I'll probably go back to Nakata's wagon, but I would like to take a look here:

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

I don't remember you describing any reads in an expressive way. Have there been any updates to your impressions of the game? (wagons/voters/other stuff that you're thinking)

:/

[Amy Dunne]

I think he's shady

thats why im voting him

he's voted for no1 the entire game

he's expressed suspicion of no1 the entire game

there's barely any game related alignment info in his iso other than some barely fleshed out townreads.

he's more interested in talking to yin/yang and I don't really get what he's trying to do there.

he just doesn't feel like he cares very much about catching bad guys.

the questions he asks feel like they're asked to be asked rather than he actually cares about the answer

Thank you, I wanted someone I trust who sees what I see.

[Amy Dunne]

¶

Votecount 1.16

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara, clidd

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[3] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.

That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.

Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.

[Amy Dunne]

Intent to hammer. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

If you give us a convincing readslist with reasonable expectations, I’ll unvote you but if not, I’ll keep it where it is.

[Amy Dunne]

Intent to hammer. Speak now or forever hold your peace.

If you give us a convincing readslist with reasonable expectations, I’ll unvote you but if not, I’ll keep it where it is.

explainations.

I just woke up. :/

Ircher, if you do something to give us some reason to think you’re town, I’ll happily unvote you but why would you self-hammer here as town? I don’t get it?

Why not even try to change our minds?

[Amy Dunne]

¶

Votecount 1.16

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara, clidd

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[3] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.

That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.

Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.

Spoiler:

VOTE: ircher

Nakata thinks this is the best option of the players being talked about.

VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

Dont ask me why i keep creating entire new posts for votes this game i'm forgetting how to play or something >.>

Yang

, what animals are there besides llamas and goats in this game?

carry tweet is here so i can sheep yusssss

VOTE: ircher

E-2?

I have to agree with the Ircher wagon. I wouldn't call it trolling like some others did, but he seems to flutter above the game in trying to avoid sinking into it.

VOTE: Ircher

¶

Votecount 1.16

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[4] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara, clidd

[1] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner

[3] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

VOTE: Ircher

E-1

I understand that Ydrasse thinks he’s playing differently here but he is basically not playing and he’s only asking NPA’s pointless questions.

That’s pretty what I did in Anomals uPick. I don’t think anyone here besides of course Pooky was in that game.

Also, him saying that something as hardwired into my meta as genuineness would be “easy” for me to fake is ridiculous. Had he instead said not impossible, that probably wouldn’t have pinged me but it read as subtle shade to me without him actually sr me, so that also really pinged me.

???

Why re-post this?

[Amy Dunne]

@Pooky

Don't worry, these are just a few questions.

Spoiler:

(1) What do you think about Nakata voting Ircher?

(2) Assuming an Ircher scumflip, which hypothetical partners would you have in mind?

(3) What do you think about Nakata?

(4) What do you think about Nakata' initial paranoia on the players who were inside his wagon?

(5) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Nakata's iso?

(6) What do you think about Robert?

(7) Do you see scum motivation in Robert's actions?

(8) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Robert's iso?

(9) What do you think about Chara?

(10) You already played with scum!Chara, do you see any similarities or differences from the current game's Chara to the scum!Chara from your experience?

(11) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Chara's iso?

(12) What do you think about Infinity?

(13) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Infinity's iso?

(14) What do you think about Norwegian?

(15) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Norwegian's iso?

(16) What do you think about Tanner?

(17) Is Tanner outside of his scum-range in this game (in your opinion)?

(18) What do you think about Tanner's insistence on pushing/eliminating Robert?

(19) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Tanner's iso?

(20) What do you think about Ydrasse?

(21) You already saw what scum!Ydrasse looks like, is there any difference/similarity with Ydrasse in the current game?

(22) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Ydrasse's iso?

(23) What do you think about Morning Tweet?

(24) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Morning's iso?

(25) What do you think about Flea?

(26) Which post reflects you as the most scummy(or towny) from Flea's iso?

pedit: ???

I would absolutely love it if Ircher would respond to any of this.

[Amy Dunne]

I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation

Do you see a town one?

Townies are weird sometimes

@clidd Is there something you're most interested in? I might do a readslist later but I'm lazy and I might not

Infonity, seriously what are you doing?

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Infinity

She’s being really weird here. I could also go back to Ircher.

[Amy Dunne]

Either that or he's jester, third party-role, maybe vengeful?

One of them said there were 3 factions right?

Omg, you think he could possibly be a jester?