Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[GrandpaMo]

he was a scummy town.

sh that was an example of my bad game

i got used to playing scum kek

im voting u because u called me scummy town >:(

VOTE: James

also

i love this playerlist

[GrandpaMo]

ik 6/8 ppl here so this is fun

[GrandpaMo]

1) First
2) Football’s coming home
3) A sandwich is a filling between two pieces of bread. Other wheat or yeast products do not a sandwich make.

Town.

hi vfp. i apologize for playing a bad game wit u

i have decided to play more newbies to help wit my playstyle and so far its been working:)

so hopefully u can look at my past 2 newbie games and see the demeanor changes

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Avoiding the sandwich issue. Classic scumtell.

smh give me like a min to catch up

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE: Rocky14
VOTE: HockeyFan
Next you'll be telling me you don't like marmite.

ok marmite is nasty

[GrandpaMo]

On a serious note though, I'm a Vanilla Townie, if I redact it later and claim a Power Role feel free to hammer me. Thank you.

...

this is actually weird post. -townpoints.

tstbs imo

[GrandpaMo]

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

fuck u rolled scum like u did in 2068 didnt u

[GrandpaMo]

so hopefully u can look at my past 2 newbie games and see the demeanor changes

the more games grandpa plays, demeanor he gets

first person to laugh gets town status

omg i dont even know if i should just read u for that

[GrandpaMo]

tstbs

wtf is tstbs

to scummy to be scummy -- implies usually null - town leaning

[GrandpaMo]

wait cows u joined 2 days before me ? wtf

[GrandpaMo]

tstbs

There is literally 0 chance that's the read u got out of James post 40 if you are town. How are u even getting a read on that post

Think about it. I never seen James claim this early especially considering them to imply they will claim PR only if they are scum (with the hammering mech)


It just feels out of place.

I don't think scum just puts them selves out there and contradicts themselves later on as a meme or even a real claim.

That's why I feel like it is tstbs just for the fact that this isn't James usual style, I am on the lookout though.

[GrandpaMo]

There is literally 0 chance that's the read u got out of James post 40 if you are town. How are u even getting a read on that post

hook, line and slinker

like a steaming tuna melt left on the table

preview edit: pog grandpa is still going

also i wanna create early discussion and move from the flavor scum fluff talk

which rocky thinks its scummy but shh its okay im progressing the lobby forward

[GrandpaMo]

also i wanna create early discussion and move from the flavor scum fluff talk

which rocky thinks its scummy but shh its okay im progressing the lobby forward

yeah i can see that
i'm fine with it
ill just be here watching yuo get speedcondemned

that happened wit another game lol i think its still ongoing so i can really say anyhting bout it

[GrandpaMo]

tstbs

There is literally 0 chance that's the read u got out of James post 40 if you are town. How are u even getting a read on that post

Think about it. I never seen James claim this early especially considering them to imply they will claim PR only if they are scum (with the hammering mech)


It just feels out of place.

I don't think scum just puts them selves out there and contradicts themselves later on as a meme or even a real claim.

That's why I feel like it is tstbs just for the fact that this isn't James usual style, I am on the lookout though.

You worry too much about meta Mo. I am going to play different every game until I find a way I like best.

that happened wit another game lol i think its still ongoing so i can really say anyhting bout it

modkill this old man immediately

he was a scummy town.

sh that was an example of my bad game

i got used to playing scum kek

im voting u because u called me scummy town >:(

VOTE: James

also

i love this playerlist

This is scum Grampa 100%

holy fuck omg pls ok ok

im sorry i will go back to my hospice care god damn

[GrandpaMo]

thats actually funny ^

[GrandpaMo]

Mo I would never put you in a hospice. Although I am tempted for the unnecessary marmite hate.

ok fine ig i dont hate it since i havent tried it

will u be willing to share?

[GrandpaMo]

hi vfp. i apologize for playing a bad game wit u

i have decided to play more newbies to help wit my playstyle and so far its been working:)

so hopefully u can look at my past 2 newbie games and see the demeanor changes

I don't think either of us did very well in that one, so I apologies too.
I do think you done better than I expressed in the dead PT though, I was just heated so take what o said with a pinch of salt.

yea i would understand haha , i make many ppl not understand me and its my bad trait that scum takes advantage of

[GrandpaMo]

To clarify, my scum comment to Grampa was a friendly joke!

ok i think ik whats gonna happen

when you are town

you usually townread me in the rvs period then you go on and proceed to scumread me.

when you are scum

you usually scumread me in the rvs period then you go on and proceed to townread me

[GrandpaMo]

I'll just explain the intent behind my post 40 shall I?
If scum end up thinking I'm a Power Role from this, voila, there's 1 night without a dead Power Role.
If scum leave me, we have a non-Mason conf-town, always lovely.
Or maybe I'm just scum pulling your leg early.

ok ur acting like me and i hate this

so i will just claim pr rn to save my butt

haha get off me losers

i had a special bastard power where i was able to check in pregame

and i got james as town thats why i was townreading them

[GrandpaMo]

I'll just explain the intent behind my post 40 shall I?
If scum end up thinking I'm a Power Role from this, voila, there's 1 night without a dead Power Role.
If scum leave me, we have a non-Mason conf-town, always lovely.
Or maybe I'm just scum pulling your leg early.

ok ur acting like me and i hate this

so i will just claim pr rn to save my butt

haha get off me losers

i had a special bastard power where i was able to check in pregame

and i got james as town thats why i was townreading them

yes this implies i got cop

[GrandpaMo]

Hmm, I believe it.

just believe the 4th, 5th, and 6th words in post 108

Spoiler: click here for my breadcrumb analysis

ok did i breadcrumb right?

[GrandpaMo]

its nai, it shouldnt be focus on too much. there was justification wit it so move on. whoever continues to talk about it is probably scum to decide and push james as probable scum. this is something u look at towards eod or end of the game.

[GrandpaMo]

Hey @Grandpa, u said in 79 "also i wanna create early discussion and move from the flavor scum fluff talk". Well u've had about 10 posts and none of them done what you wanted to do. Sure u had a mini read on James about him "tstbs" but like what else....? You even shut down the discussion from that post so what are you attempting to do?

Weren't you still discussing? Cows even implied and explicitly said they were talking about the claim etc. It's ironic becuase THAT caused the discussion in the first place.

After I said a read, which was the first geninue read of the game with a line of reasoning, you decided to respond to it and that sparked discussion.

I did shut it down due to it later being NAI and maybe sparking some anti-town behavior which results in outting a PR by accident etc.

[GrandpaMo]

my 2 cents on james (sorry grandpa), i was getting somewhat awkward/forced vibes from his early posting before the claim. my initial reaction to 40 was that i can see scum motivation behind it, specifically the "if I redact it later[...] feel free to hammer me" bit, but aside from it just being a particularly distracting shitpost, i cant find a reason for town to post this seriously. with 104 tho i'm thinking it could be townfuckery that's drawing my suspicion. i stand by the forced feel i was getting early on, but call him a light scumlean for me for now.

Lol, I love how Hockey pointed out my read (same exact reasoning too!) and said it was weird for me to say it. But once Bulge, you, said it all of a sudden "I liked it"

What's the difference between me and bulge's post that made you like theirs instead of mine?

[GrandpaMo]

Hockeyfan can you explain why you thought James' 40 was so nai you seemingly accused grandpa of faking a read on it?

Are we thinking the same thing here?

[GrandpaMo]

Weird vibes from this post by cowsloveSushirolls. Isn't the point to hunt?

poking at grandpamo because the two things they said felt contradictory. they are hunting in a way that i'm fine with, but it just read out like a reaction test, so i gave them a reaction
"they lose townpoints from this, but the post is too scummy to be scum"

that isnt what i was tryna imply lol

i was just trying to think in my head that hey if they were town -- how would in a world they would say this (

i dont want to say the answer to this

) already did dammit below.

and then if they were scum -- there would be the reason to confuse town or just add fluff shit post.

and im more inclined to believe either or -- hence why i said in the later post that this should looked at eod and not be really focused on, for all we could know james could be softing pr. this is why i want to avoid the discussion for now.

usually in conversations like these its best to relapse judgment in a later case. you can find james scummy for other reasons or in my case, you can find james towny.

[GrandpaMo]

In fact instead of pressuring cowlovesSushirolls in a similar way to GrandpaMo, you give, basically the complete opposite as a response:

they do this with the bulge as well.


they liked bulge's response to ur comment about post 40, even implying they were sheeping by saying "sorry grandpa" which i thought was funny

[GrandpaMo]

I don't think James' "claim" is really problematic.

it's not. lol

and whoever is trying to make it a problem, is probably scum.


also -- hockey's claim of my thing saying it didn't create discussion -- i still disagree as we are discussing it rn

[GrandpaMo]

In fact instead of pressuring cowlovesSushirolls in a similar way to GrandpaMo, you give, basically the complete opposite as a response:

they do this with the bulge as well.


they liked bulge's response to ur comment about post 40, even implying they were sheeping by saying "sorry grandpa" which i thought was funny

I am aware, I wanted to point out cowlovesSushirolls as they town binned it, you Null/town lean it, and The Bulge scum leans it. Yet the 2 extremes got positive comments but the moderate read got pressured.

eh i kinda disagree it -- i felt as tho me and bulge has the exact reasoning lol

we both were weary of the claim and was thinking of it in town and scum world but i think bulge was heavily leaning more scum.

i believe their spot on u is like null - scum lean

[GrandpaMo]

In fact instead of pressuring cowlovesSushirolls in a similar way to GrandpaMo, you give, basically the complete opposite as a response:

they do this with the bulge as well.


they liked bulge's response to ur comment about post 40, even implying they were sheeping by saying "sorry grandpa" which i thought was funny

I am aware, I wanted to point out cowlovesSushirolls as they town binned it, you Null/town lean it, and The Bulge scum leans it. Yet the 2 extremes got positive comments but the moderate read got pressured.

i just reread what u said -- i understand now.

[GrandpaMo]

I was discussing it but u came along with 140 and decided to minimize the discussion and your reasoning in what u just said is super ??. Since when does figuring out James motive for claiming VT/also his aligment result in anti-town behavior?

first i think you mean post 130

2nd i already explained it -- you don't have to move on but if you just do stay on it you might out a pr by doing so.

4th -- me saying "tstbs" was my thought process and reasoning. i gave my reasoning of it being null and can be interperted in different ways. for the third time already, from a towny perspective, it is way different than james's playstyle that im used to and seems out of the blue with it, and with the purpose of creating/sparking discussion (or even softing PR) . from a scum persepctive, this was deemed to put discussion in a way where it created discussion off topic from the OP and bring attention to the people like cows, hockey, grandpa, and bulge who all had opinions -- op then would favor in sum narratives creating pocket and disarrange town to be away from scum as much as possible.

3rd - i think if you were scum, you would have dropped the convo by now, but you seem not hesitant to drop this discussion, so im townleaning you for now as you may just be misguided town.

[GrandpaMo]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

No. That isn't what TSTBS means. It implies town not scum behavior. Also I am still confused on your reads here -- You say it's null but then you say town has 0 reason to do this which implies you scumread James, then you go on to say that you don't SR them because you thought me saying TSTBS, implies a scumread on them.

So you contradict two times.


Can you elaborate more on what you mean?

[GrandpaMo]

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

so does that mean u null read james?

so wait...

we literally came to the same conclusion but with a different approach sorta (me, u and bulge)

and if im understanding this correctly... u liked bulge's response because u understand their logic vs mine?

[GrandpaMo]

im so confused

[GrandpaMo]

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

[GrandpaMo]

also rocky giv me ur reads -- u havent said nothing useful so far

[GrandpaMo]

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

James is probably town but I can't say why.
Bulge is a tr. I'll metadive him at some point becauseI'm slightly paranoid.
You're vibes towny.
Everyone else I forgot about or is null.

ffs.

u did the same shit in ur scum game

am i gonna get pocketed

WAIT

"I know your allignment and I know yours"

LOL rlly used that to say i scumslipped in our game, and then get limmed the next day lmao

[GrandpaMo]

pot deserves stirring. VOTE: GrandpaMo

can u explain ur reasonings for reads and the vote on me after sheeping me lol

[GrandpaMo]

pot deserves stirring.

also what does this mean --

this usually refers to when a spot hasnt been explored yet? but there was stuff AI of me earlier on when i was responding to hockey etc, that i usually do as town just a thought or 2

[GrandpaMo]

VFP and T3 have managed to be about while saying little.

Is there something you wanted my opinion on?

yea do u have a readlist?

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: rocky

[GrandpaMo]

VFP and T3 have managed to be about while saying little.

Is there something you wanted my opinion on?

yea do u have a readlist?

Not yet.
James hasn't struck me as town like last game yet.
T3 I'm undecided on as well. Gamblers fallacy may get the best of me.

why did u read those 2 in particular?

[GrandpaMo]

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

James is probably town but I can't say why.
Bulge is a tr. I'll metadive him at some point becauseI'm slightly paranoid.
You're vibes towny.
Everyone else I forgot about or is null.

ffs.

u did the same shit in ur scum game

am i gonna get pocketed

WAIT

"I know your allignment and I know yours"

LOL rlly used that to say i scumslipped in our game, and then get limmed the next day lmao

???? You seem to be mixing 2068 andan ongoing game together.

what thats ongoing?

no i believe 2068 was the one u said that in lol and that ended

[GrandpaMo]

Yep.

Cn the scum just claim? I'm bored.

ok claim then.

stop using powerwolfing meta to exert your dominance on the thread. im sick of it and it absolutely is a mockery to the newbie queue! /s

[GrandpaMo]

2^ another reason not to rely on past and meta.

um didnt use meta to read that one game in 2068 and literally dominanted scum after day 1

[GrandpaMo]

Should we lim T3 here?

its either that, you, or rocky.

rocky is worse than t3 idk why cows is townreading them lol

[GrandpaMo]

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

so does that mean u null read james?

so wait...

we literally came to the same conclusion but with a different approach sorta (me, u and bulge)

and if im understanding this correctly... u liked bulge's response because u understand their logic vs mine?

Yes, which is why i am tring bulge

im so confused

[GrandpaMo]

.

[GrandpaMo]

vc

[GrandpaMo]

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

[GrandpaMo]

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

so does that mean u null read james?

so wait...

we literally came to the same conclusion but with a different approach sorta (me, u and bulge)

and if im understanding this correctly... u liked bulge's response because u understand their logic vs mine?

Yes, which is why i am tring bulge

im so confused

omfg what are you confused about. To go over once again everything I've said. James post 40 is NAI, your reading of it was Scum leaning and Bulges analysis of it was Town. There? Also @cows, why do u SR t3

ok i am just gonna drop the convo because i felt like we are both misinterpreting each other's posts unintentionally and misunderstanding each other.

i understand now -- it's just everything prior that happened etc. i still townread you -- or well i don't think you are the vote for today.

[GrandpaMo]

vena cava

vc

Would you like to verify this means vote count?

LMFAO

shh let me "breadcrumb" in piece

[GrandpaMo]

this gets to my other point -- talking about bread crumbs. i hate sandwhichs that once you bite into it -- it leaves a mess so much that it just feels unsatisfying to eat.

anyone else had a similar situation?

[GrandpaMo]

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

t3 has like 1 vote from rvs what

[GrandpaMo]

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

[GrandpaMo]

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

cows is pushing me lol and puts me scum wit t3 lol

and its weird that i scum read vfp

wait

my vote pool is literally vfp, t3, and rocky

[GrandpaMo]

cows seems to be pushing/Sr'ing T3 more tho

they are voting me lol ...

[GrandpaMo]

In fact cows even labelled the vote as "stirring" the pot

like i told cows... there isn't much stirring to do because there has been like already 3 people already pushing me.

[GrandpaMo]

Weak Scum:

Gpa
VFP

u and cows both have me paired with vfp and t3 , the two ppl i wanna vote xD

[GrandpaMo]

I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more.

"drop this convo" proceeds to talk about it right after.

and i care because you are manipulating the context it was in lol

u say that they have been pushing t3 more but i say because of a vote, that they scumread me more. its no longer rvs -- its you being hypoicrtical where you complained to me about not having a serious vote then proceed to imply that cow's vote isn't serious because they "pushed" t3 more.

you also bring more ad homenim and hostility and attack my vote pool but the people i wanna vote out are the people that you + cows are scumreading

so what's wrong with my vote pool?

i have read you as town but if you keep up with the passive aggressive tone and not thinking before you post and continue to have logical inconsistencies, i might have to vote you here.

[GrandpaMo]

@cows

are you able to explain ur reads and stuff now ? this is the 2nd time i ask i believe

[GrandpaMo]

pot deserves stirring.

also what does this mean --

this usually refers to when a spot hasnt been explored yet? but there was stuff AI of me earlier on when i was responding to hockey etc, that i usually do as town just a thought or 2

you seem to never explain this.

which is causing hockey's confusion rn kek

[GrandpaMo]

Spoiler: Hockey's post 298 for full context

Weak Scum:

Gpa
VFP

u and cows both have me paired with vfp and t3 , the two ppl i wanna vote xD

when did i say u 2 were paired. You both being in my scum list indicates that i think you both are scummy indivually, not in pairs, no need to assume things

I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more.

"drop this convo" proceeds to talk about it right after.

Where?

and i care because you are manipulating the context it was in lol

I really wanst but ok who cares

u say that they have been pushing t3 more but i say because of a vote, that they scumread me more. its no longer rvs -- its you being hypoicrtical where you complained to me about not having a serious vote then proceed to imply that cow's vote isn't serious because they "pushed" t3 more.

No comment, this topic is dumb

you also bring more ad homenim and hostility and attack my vote pool but the people i wanna vote out are the people that you + cows are scumreading

Why is it relevant to this convo who cows is Sr'ing? Me and cows are not the same people. Cows did not call your vote pool bad, I did

so what's wrong with my vote pool?

yea so, just because we have simillar thoughts on VFP doesnt make your vote pool good. I dont agree with your other vote pool in T3/Rocky

i have read you as town but if you keep up with the passive aggressive tone and not thinking before you post and continue to have logical inconsistencies, i might have to vote you here.

when did i say u 2 were paired. You both being in my scum list indicates that i think you both are scummy indivually, not in pairs, no need to assume things

You had me and VFP in the same scum pool. By paired, if you look at the context, I was referring how you were scumreading the person who I was scumreading as well or had a POE vote on, we are alligned or "paired" in the context of your reads. I still stand by this. Now, bringing up that we could be scumpartners is a different topic and a more hard analysis to hit on, this is where you need to look at day 1 interactions, who townread who, who scumread who, who got pocketed (if scum flip), who was on wagon (if town flip), and etc.

Where?

I don't know if you are trolling or what, but I clearly explain where. If you want to take look at the full context, this is what you said below.

"didnt know voting someone is "pushing" them. In fact cows even labelled the vote as "stirring" the pot. I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more."

You said I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant, however still decide to say "why do you care who cows is pushing more." right after, it feels like you already knew the answer to this, I don't know why this was a question in the first place. You said you wanted to drop the convo, but bring up a question that goes back to the topic discussed just prior. And you continue this conversation by asking me a question, with an obvious answer.

I really wanst but ok who cares

You have and continue to do so. Refer to a later quote that I bring up the word manipulative in. You decide not to speak on anything and continue to find ways to ignore my questions for example, this quote here. In post 284, you ask me the question why do you care who cows is pushing more. I give you the answer that you are manipulating the context (either with intention or unintentionally). Then you proceed to say in your defense, "I really wasn't but okay who cares" Basically saying no, then repeating the question by saying "who cares" when I clearly told you "I care" in post 288 . This is another attempt at you manipulating the context for which it is in.

No comment, this topic is dumb

This is another attempt at you withholding info -- either in a scum mindset or anti-town mindset regardless. If you feel like the topic is dumb, then explain to me why it is dumb, why to proceed calling it dumb to have nothing to say then invoke a provocative statement that will provoke a reaction? Let's analyze this further. I explain to you how you were being hypocritical, and provide my reasoning, I also explain what you said and how I justify with my concern on what cow's votes mean, specifically the vote on me. I will explain again. A vote is a vote, no longer RVS. In post 293, cows proceeds to say "also, by stirring the pot i mean deliberately taking a side so i can learn more about my poggers top scumreads" -- this implies that their vote was a serious vote and for the reason to know more info about me knowing that I am scum already in their perspective. This contradicts your whole narative.

Why is it relevant to this convo who cows is Sr'ing? Me and cows are not the same people. Cows did not call your vote pool bad, I did

This is probably the only good post you had from this bad wall post.

To answer your question, it is because you started to bring up cows only after I question the votes on T3. You proceed to say "not 3 votes, but 3 people who are pushing, cows, me, and vfp" Then I proceed to say, wrong! Cows is pushing me! Then you respond to two things in my post 277 . You respond the cows statement, and a statement on my vote pool implying it's weird. Then I respond explaining that they are voting me. And you refute. Then I proceed to give you an example with what I said to cows. Then I ask cows for the explanation since you, Hockey, never decide to ask cows and just assume that cows is literally talking about what you are and haven't seen what has been going around with me. (which also points to another point of you being hypocritical, that you called me out for assumption). Then convo ends there because I leave.

So to look at this at the full context, it is relevant to this convo because you had provided a misunderstanding on a narrative that was supporting your scumread on me which is me initially voting T3, then you getting offended with 3 votes on them. Then I explain how cows is voting me and scumread me more due to this so it would only be me and VFP on T3 and cows and you hockey on me. That is why it is relevant because you portray me in a bad and manipulative manner due to this. Also the vote pool thing is completely irrelevant, I don't know why that comment was necessary, however since we are talking about that I do want to touch on that slightly. This brings us to the next quote.

Also, nevermind, this isn't a good quote, reading back it also looked like you cherrypicked a few things.

yea so, just because we have simillar thoughts on VFP doesnt make your vote pool good. I dont agree with your other vote pool in T3/Rocky

You decide to be surprised with my vote pool but later on agree and admit that we may have similar thoughts on VFP. (post 298). So wouldn't we both be capable to lim VFP here? but disagree with my take on T3/rocky. What's wrong with it? You still haven't answered my question I initially asked in 288. Just because you disagree with my vote pool, that doesn't require an input from you saying "What is this vote pool lol"

I make this a clear point and bring cows into question because, look, cows has me and T3 as scum and you have me and VFP as scum. And my vote pool is T3 and VFP (+ rocky), but the point is what's it being different if cows wanted to lim T3? It just felt like you were using this as another way to find me as "scum" with your passive aggressive tone which I don't understand WHY you would in the first place.

Conclusion:

This post frustrated me, not only because it was so manipulative but because I actually townread you hockey. And having this response from you is weird. I was bias earlier in townreading you because I have played with you and you are a friend, but not all friends are the same allignment. I do now want to think you are scum.

I am null - scumleaning you now. And feel like you still have town equity only if someone else or you can convince me otherwise.

I am playing how I usually as town, I also advise you to stop, and reread the game if you are town. Look at my previous scum games, and my town games see why I say what I say as scum, then come to it from a town perspective, why I say what I say as town. Many newbs, like you, just easily use me as liable scum target day 1 and even town will scumread me because I am usually incomprehendable to newbs on the first time. But you are a good player, hockey, and I don't want you costing a lim because you have confbias as town.

I will unvote for now.

UNVOTE:

[GrandpaMo]

So Hockey is probably town.

why is that?

also is there any particular reason you've been so absent/reserved this game?

Can you answer this question @VFP?

[GrandpaMo]

Gut and because I'm ill.

What happened?

[GrandpaMo]

I mean gut feeling.

ill wise just a virus. I've barely been on site wide.

Okay gotcha.

Hope you feel better.

I wouldn't mind you replacing to get better and focus on your health etc.

[GrandpaMo]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

I dont understand what the big deal here is? what is so shocking to you about a wagon of 3?

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

I think I scumread T3 based on meta.

I have bias because everytime T3 calls me town out of the blue with no reasoning, they end up flipping scum. So anytime, I hear those words coming out the mouth -- I get paranio. I usually don't end up voting them until probably day 2.

Bringing back to the point, you said earlier that you didn't why Rocky was scum. I will explain why I think rocky is scum.

They have 15 posts which is fine, but till post 61

I don't know if they were serious with that vote, but I will assume they were meming. They continue to meme.

They finally make a serious read in post 117 which was the WIFOMY thing James said about them claiming to be VT... which is something weird to go into especially considering it being the first genuine read.

In post 220 I actually asked for rocky for their reads (I bring this up because you claim I haven't questioned rocky but I have, rocky just had never replied because their last post is post 164)

They unvote without any reasoning.

I do want to point out that I did agree with rocky in post 164, which is something Rocky could be town for but idk if it's a strong enough reason to call them town.

I haven't voted them yet, because I am still waiting them to come back and give me an updated readlist.

I am also waiting on Beezeburger.

[GrandpaMo]

Grandpa. vc. Actually though...

gotcha ur town

[GrandpaMo]

:badposting:

man I dont wanna SR you but instead of dismissing my post as "bad", can u tell me what u dont like about it?

where did t3 say this

[GrandpaMo]

:badposting:

man I dont wanna SR you but instead of dismissing my post as "bad", can u tell me what u dont like about it?

where did t3 say this

a bit hard to see since its in such tiny font, but very bottom left below his pronouns

how tf were u able to seee that

wait @t3 how did u even do that in the first place

[GrandpaMo]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

[GrandpaMo]

im flipping a coin here

idk if this is allowed

[GrandpaMo]

1) First
2) Football’s coming home
3) A sandwich is a filling between two pieces of bread. Other wheat or yeast products do not a sandwich make.

Town.

do you still believe rocky is town?

[GrandpaMo]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

can you explain why cows is scum?

[GrandpaMo]

do you still believe rocky is town?

That wasn't a serious town read.
I don't dislike them as town though. It's obvious that a few of us have history and given how me and T3 have been playing I liked that he called us out for doing nothing. As scum I could suspect it to be a worry there for a newer player to target 2 SE's like that.

i wasnt talking bout that, i knew that was an obvious not a serious read

i was just assuming u had townread rocky ever since so i was wondering how rocky could be town in ur eyes

[GrandpaMo]

Do to think he's town?

i think he's scum i gave reason why

[GrandpaMo]

I think I scumread T3 based on meta.

I have bias because everytime T3 calls me town out of the blue with no reasoning, they end up flipping scum. So anytime, I hear those words coming out the mouth -- I get paranio. I usually don't end up voting them until probably day 2.

Bringing back to the point, you said earlier that you didn't why Rocky was scum. I will explain why I think rocky is scum.

They have 15 posts which is fine, but till post 61

I don't know if they were serious with that vote, but I will assume they were meming. They continue to meme.

They finally make a serious read in post 117 which was the WIFOMY thing James said about them claiming to be VT... which is something weird to go into especially considering it being the first genuine read.

In post 220 I actually asked for rocky for their reads (I bring this up because you claim I haven't questioned rocky but I have, rocky just had never replied because their last post is post 164)

They unvote without any reasoning.

I do want to point out that I did agree with rocky in post 164, which is something Rocky could be town for but idk if it's a strong enough reason to call them town.

I haven't voted them yet, because I am still waiting them to come back and give me an updated readlist.

I am also waiting on Beezeburger.

this

[GrandpaMo]

this is a dead game for me until a replacement is found and beeze is able to give input

[GrandpaMo]

Do to think he's town?

i think he's scum i gave reason why

I missed it, but I'm focused now.
Do a small reason why.

I think I scumread T3 based on meta.

I have bias because everytime T3 calls me town out of the blue with no reasoning, they end up flipping scum. So anytime, I hear those words coming out the mouth -- I get paranio. I usually don't end up voting them until probably day 2.

Bringing back to the point, you said earlier that you didn't why Rocky was scum. I will explain why I think rocky is scum.

They have 15 posts which is fine, but till post 61

I don't know if they were serious with that vote, but I will assume they were meming. They continue to meme.

They finally make a serious read in post 117 which was the WIFOMY thing James said about them claiming to be VT... which is something weird to go into especially considering it being the first genuine read.

In post 220 I actually asked for rocky for their reads (I bring this up because you claim I haven't questioned rocky but I have, rocky just had never replied because their last post is post 164)

They unvote without any reasoning.

I do want to point out that I did agree with rocky in post 164, which is something Rocky could be town for but idk if it's a strong enough reason to call them town.

I haven't voted them yet, because I am still waiting them to come back and give me an updated readlist.

I am also waiting on Beezeburger.

tldr; fluff content, and pivoting votes off me

[GrandpaMo]

If I vote with you will I be town?

what happened to the more aggressive VFP?

why are acting vulnerable and different.

you + james have been acting very passive this game and maybe you could get away with it since you are ill, but even jame's interaction with you is weird.

you never ever sheeped me in your life.

talk to me, why are you playing this way?

[GrandpaMo]

I don't know.

are you okay?

[GrandpaMo]

bulge is like the only one i can trust rn , pls come back i am so confused this game

[GrandpaMo]

If I vote with you will I be town?

what happened to the more aggressive VFP?

why are acting vulnerable and different.

you + james have been acting very passive this game and maybe you could get away with it since you are ill, but even jame's interaction with you is weird.

you never ever sheeped me in your life.

talk to me, why are you playing this way?

It's just a dead game. We have a person waiting to be replaced, a new player seldom posting, waiting on a dude to finish an essay of reads, T3 etc etc.

what are you talking bout ?

this was never focused or targeted at u lol

[GrandpaMo]

this is a dead game for me until a replacement is found and beeze is able to give input

lol @james literally copying me

smh ppl stay sheeping me when im town -- i think thats my biggest towntell ngl

[GrandpaMo]

"+ james have been acting verry passive this game"

oh forgot i said that, but i mostly made that quote to talk about the interactions u and vfp had for example 344, 346 (this is mainly from vfp, i dont blame u rlly)

[GrandpaMo]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

can you explain why cows is scum?

I already explained it a bit in 335, but basically hes not attempting to progress the game forward atm(which is simillar reason I sr VFP(im aware VFP has a cold, but still)). Also, hes been setting up his readlist for the past 2 days but still haven't given one so that tells me one of 2 things. Either cows is just purposely doing this just to act like hes contributing the game or hes being coached by a mafia partner on what are some good reasons for his SR's. Also i mentioned how I switched cows and u in my reads list(284. So basically cows is now weak scum which I know is not substantial but I think cows does have scum equity here

i agree. but i dont think you should be ready to scum read 100 percent.

see with you, you are ready to just flip the tables and assume everything is AI (what i noticed with our interaction and this quote now).

that's why i originally townread you its because you were not hesistant as scum may be and you were willing to show your potential. idk if you are capable of being like that as scum. being as me and u are like the most active in this game, and probably waiting for vfp, beeze, cows, and rocky's future replacement to contribute, eh

im just waiting to see what happens for the course of events

[GrandpaMo]

a lobster roll, right? i haven't had one before

i'll stop artificially inflating my post count now
im going to blame my procrastinating on the wallposters or something. no IRL stuff has been happening
i'll have 3 semi-large posts out about the topics ive been talking about (T3, ISO on hockey, the two cents i have on the discussions grandpamo has been having)
you can expect them to be out while they're still relevant lol

it's better to give concurrent reads for

two

three reasons

pros:

1. it gives the rest of town a better grasp on how you think during the real time interaction

2. scum is more likely to wait out as they have not thought of anything to say.

3. its more easier for you, dont give your self promises, i did this in my first town game and my first scum game, turned out usually in my town games, i never fulfil the promise of giving thoughts out later on but in my first scum, i did every single time because i wanted town to see i was trying etc.

im not tryna tell u how u should play, but in these specific circumstances, you may or may not just have reiterate info that was already said and continue to prolong discussion that doesn't progress town further.

[GrandpaMo]

I'm here. I just recently ate a lobster in a piece of bread. Apparently it's a thing.

Anyways, I need to catch up with this game.

Hi strange, u town this game?

Do you really want me to answer this question seriously? Yes, but if you asked almost anyone else here right now, they'd all give the exact same answer as this one.

I'm a bit too tired to post a lot right now, it's pretty late here while catching up. See you all in a couple hours. Ask me anything tomorrow please.

this is sorta a bad rxn...

[GrandpaMo]

I'm here. I just recently ate a lobster in a piece of bread. Apparently it's a thing.

Anyways, I need to catch up with this game.

Hi strange, u town this game?

Do you really want me to answer this question seriously? Yes, but if you asked almost anyone else here right now, they'd all give the exact same answer as this one.

I'm a bit too tired to post a lot right now, it's pretty late here while catching up. See you all in a couple hours. Ask me anything tomorrow please.

Who said this was a serious question? It was more of a jokey question, dont see why u need this reaction to the question but w/e, i'll wait for your thoughts tmr morning

i was gonna @ u and say if we were thinking the same thing, ig we were lol

[GrandpaMo]

a lobster roll, right? i haven't had one before

i'll stop artificially inflating my post count now
im going to blame my procrastinating on the wallposters or something. no IRL stuff has been happening
i'll have 3 semi-large posts out about the topics ive been talking about (T3, ISO on hockey, the two cents i have on the discussions grandpamo has been having)
you can expect them to be out while they're still relevant lol

it's better to give concurrent reads for

two

three reasons

pros:

1. it gives the rest of town a better grasp on how you think during the real time interaction

2. scum is more likely to wait out as they have not thought of anything to say.

3. its more easier for you, dont give your self promises, i did this in my first town game and my first scum game, turned out usually in my town games, i never fulfil the promise of giving thoughts out later on but in my first scum, i did every single time because i wanted town to see i was trying etc.

im not tryna tell u how u should play, but in these specific circumstances, you may or may not just have reiterate info that was already said and continue to prolong discussion that doesn't progress town further.

the reads ive given out before ARENT concurrent like at all so the posts are good for me. besides, i see no reason to stop everything i'm doing and make my walls. i will still enjoy whatever there is that's really recent
expand on your second point?
the third part is true for sure. this took like 5 minutes but the promises i made have yet to be fulfilled after 2 days
i think despite the empathetic nature of this post this feels pretty loaded and likely not something i'll fully agree with you on right now given the information I have

i dont even want that from you.

i just want to know how you read ppl rn, why do you scumread me? you don't have to give out a whole essay on why

just give a line of reasoning and maybe provide explanations wit examples 2-5 sentences

etc or why rocky is town. which is a question i wanted you to answer

[GrandpaMo]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

in this very post I quoted you said "if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already", which is false, because if I think someone is tstbs then I TR them.

We can agree to disagree

bruhhh what lmao. we literally cannot. I'm trying to explain to you the meaning of the term TSTBS because you have it backwards. if somebody says someone is TSTBS it means they are townreading them.

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

? how do you expect Day 1 to look if nobody is collaborating on reads or testing out different potential wagons?

There were scummier people at the time

ok, such as who?

atp hockey is tstbs

[GrandpaMo]

Why do we have so many people not voting anyone?

me personally, im waiting on input from ppl i just unvoted hockey.


and im pretty sure only like 2 ppl are not voting

[GrandpaMo]

vc

[GrandpaMo]

t3 vc*

[GrandpaMo]

ok i think the 2 scum lies in

vfp, rockey, beeze, and maybe t3

[GrandpaMo]

hm. so its more like this.

I am thinking about this pool:

[VFP, rockey, StrangeMatter]

or the other subgroup of

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I feel like those 3 of hockey, cows, bulge there is one PR, one scum, and one VT.

And the other scum lies within the first group.

I won't explain why those groups are combined just yet.

[GrandpaMo]

hm. so its more like this.

I am thinking about this pool:

[VFP, rockey, StrangeMatter]

or the other subgroup of

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I feel like those 3 of hockey, cows, bulge there is one PR, one scum, and one VT.

And the other scum lies within the first group.

I won't explain why those groups are combined just yet.

Excuse me, but did you mean [VPF, StrangeMatter]? Rockey isn't in this game anymore.

Sorry, I meant VPF, Strange, and Beeze. I forgot you replaced rockey not beeze lol

[GrandpaMo]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer
vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

You have yet to explain why my scumread on rocky is bad.

Can you explain why fluff content is good for town? Also can you explain when strangematter replaced in, their reaction was horrible in regarding to hockey?

Are you able to reevualate and see strangematter as scum or nah, they still town in ur eyes?

[GrandpaMo]

t3 vc*

James seriously, vc.

yea lol

ur town i think.

indeliberate mason buddy

[GrandpaMo]

Everything in his ISO

but you know t3 acts like this both as town and scum.

why are you driving a bw on t3 on NAI things, respectfully you seen me do the same thing in my aliensitter needed game, that was the whole reason i pushed t3 instead of bussing there

[GrandpaMo]

Why even say this?? u could have just said "i think 1 scum lies in here" not give PR ideas to mafia smh

i dont even think yall are prs lmfao

im just tryan confuse mafia

[GrandpaMo]

hm. so its more like this.

I am thinking about this pool:

[VFP, rockey, StrangeMatter]

or the other subgroup of

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I feel like those 3 of hockey, cows, bulge there is one PR, one scum, and one VT.

And the other scum lies within the first group.

I won't explain why those groups are combined just yet.

Excuse me, but did you mean [VPF, StrangeMatter]? Rockey isn't in this game anymore.

Okay, I wasn't going to say something but this bothered me.

Strangematter finally comes into the game and responds to me mistankly having the wrong name.

Then disappears.

It was so out of place and just felt unnatural. I thought strangematter would eventually respond to my points or even to other things just like hockey would have, but they never did, they just made that complaint and left the thread once again.

[GrandpaMo]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer

vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

UNVOTE: HockeyFan
VOTE: cowsloveSushirolls

im mobile posting i don't know how
kek

u just manually type it out

like this

Code: Select all

[vote][/vote]

added code tags so the vote counter doesn't count this ~f

also i was gonna make it where i voted u right there cows as a joke, that would have been hilarious and a smoot ass transition

[GrandpaMo]

hey sorry for inactivity just felt unmotivated to play anymore ; was like this sitewide.

[GrandpaMo]

can we just get a flip already lol

[GrandpaMo]

what there is a hammer

who is the vote?

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE: cowsloveSushirolls
VOTE: The Bulge

is this a serious vote?

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE: cowsloveSushirolls
VOTE: The Bulge

is this a serious vote?

[GrandpaMo]

hm. so its more like this.

I am thinking about this pool:

[VFP, rockey, StrangeMatter]

or the other subgroup of

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I feel like those 3 of hockey, cows, bulge there is one PR, one scum, and one VT.

And the other scum lies within the first group.

I won't explain why those groups are combined just yet.

Excuse me, but did you mean [VPF, StrangeMatter]? Rockey isn't in this game anymore.

Okay, I wasn't going to say something but this bothered me.

Strangematter finally comes into the game and responds to me mistankly having the wrong name.

Then disappears.

It was so out of place and just felt unnatural. I thought strangematter would eventually respond to my points or even to other things just like hockey would have, but they never did, they just made that complaint and left the thread once again.

Oh I will, but I've been busy for most of the day, so I can't really respond. Speaking of which, I looked through your ISO and noted you town read people who have similar thought processes or sheep. Can you explain this thought process behind that?

Also, you seem to put Beezle as one of the people on the list, can you please explain where you put would put them as a read?

Why not have them as a read?

[GrandpaMo]

@hockey do u think cows could be paired with vfp lol

[GrandpaMo]

ik crazy read... but i just wanna see if we are thinking the same thing

[GrandpaMo]

I’m just going to reiterate my opinion of lurkers right now. If you have someone lurking, pressure them. There’s no reason to vote them out unless there’s pressure to get them to contribute more and have not done so.

Hypocrite.

[GrandpaMo]

Man I'm 10 minutes late I suck

I can still lim this slot. Depending if Theres a replacement of course...

Why would u want to lim someone who basically hasn't spoken yet

ftr, while Beese would indeed be a terrible elimination today, I do think the slot is far more likely scum than not.

where does this read come from? are lurkers incredibly likely to be scum on this site?

Usually it comes from PoE, it's more NAI because I find myself to scumlean / null read the people who haven't talked or just coasted, and then later change or stay on that read when people come in and talk. Idk about others

[GrandpaMo]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

[GrandpaMo]

@hockey do u think cows could be paired with vfp lol

Yea i can see it, i dont like cows dismissing VFP's play rn as "something scum wouldn't do"

Also @Strange, do u have any reads rn?

I’m just going to reiterate my opinion of lurkers right now. If you have someone lurking, pressure them. There’s no reason to vote them out unless there’s pressure to get them to contribute more and have not done so.

Answer this question because you look bad for pushing the people who haven't talked (while yourself haven't contributed anything) and ignoring this.

You ask question then don't proceed up with any answers.

[GrandpaMo]

Mo hasn't voted for the longest duration, which is weird but the game is slow I guess, I don't think he's scum here.

im just waiting on ppl ahonestly.

this game has been REEALLY slow compared ot any newbie game i have played. multiple replacements including the person i scumread.

strangematter was my scurmead and was planning on to vote them, but forgot bout this game honestly.

i just need to hear from looker now, and im giving it like 1 day

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Looker

speak up bud

[GrandpaMo]

Sorry - to quote the bangles, it's just another manic monday.

Will read up now and provide reads/thoughts very soon. (:

Hello looker~

this is a very specific entrance. why the greetings to looker and not to us where you have replaced as well?

[GrandpaMo]

Look looker, I know you rolled scum. Please confess?

pressure complete, returning to shadows

UNVOTE: HockeyFan

I am so tempeted to omgus u for pillow pushing me and then just taking off all the gas like what? I dont understand your read on me

hockey

in the reality that you didn't OMGUS me in you got mad at yourself because of all of the INFORMATION you missed out on
do not resist the urge
pillow push me back

my read is that i have no read until you make the decision

I still think the cows/VFP pair exists btw

imagine scumreading me in the beginning then proceed to sheep me at eod, classic hockey

[GrandpaMo]

I'm confident the 2 scum are in [T3, The Bulge, Looker].

heavy disagree, both t3 and bulge have been respectuflly townie.

mostly bulge tho, i feel like they aree playing like me, they are wanting a flip, and have had the same thoughts as me before.

[GrandpaMo]

hey grandpa, can you give a modern read on bulge here?

just did ^

[GrandpaMo]

Why not have them as a read?

.
Not exactly the response I expected to get.

didn't you replace? oh ok.

/s

[GrandpaMo]

i'm sure they can, but i guess it's the same reason i attribute anti-town actions to town: scum has no incentive to do them if there's way more effective ways of carrying out something

Scum do infact have an incentive to be "anti-town" so ppl can just go them calling "omg they're tstbs"(which is basically what you're doing rn)

rolling around in my head right now

as far as i know only 2 people have used TBTBS right now in order to support a read: me and grandpamo

i don't think people saying that is as common as you think, if i remember correctly 2 people have been against using those sort of reads (you and bulge) which means we are evenly matched. i don't think this is actually the case and there's a lot more people that don't use TBTBS than do

sure the lurking part of VFP's play is likely to be excused by newbies, but the general reaction of a newbie i'd think when subjected to their again, kinda vague cases would be frustration and also puzzlement
so, why deliberately try it, when they haven't played like this before (presumably)?

fwiw, i believe tstbs is used only when not in comparison to someone's meta. because if u go to vfp's meta and analyze it, you can see that maybe town!vfp plays like this or scum!vfp plays like that. the only reason i called out hockey being tstbs is because their whole playstyle was this this game, and they are still continuting that playstyle. someone like vfp, in my perspective, cant really be tsbts because i have seen vfp play as a more active role as town. I also seen vfp play more active as scum, so imo, i see it more nai for vfp to play like this and should be read on other things

[GrandpaMo]

Why not have them as a read?

.
Not exactly the response I expected to get.

didn't you replace? oh ok.

/s

how many more posts are you gonna spend dunking on strangematter?

this was the first?

all the others was me scumreading them

[GrandpaMo]

ignoring 564 pfft

woops didnt see that

sorry

[GrandpaMo]

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind.

ok pog u scumread me in the beginning, decide to sheep me, then now you wanna vote me

k cool

[GrandpaMo]

also im not active in the game no more, cuz i have been vested my self in voice games and hosting them a lot more often, this game also died down, and im still waiting to hear from my scumread, strangematter's slot.


and they have yet to talk so....


ill just keep lurking ig

[GrandpaMo]

If I survive D1 I'm so dead N1...

blame t3

[GrandpaMo]

i will probably be more active day 2 if im alive by then , i hope so cuz i could have enjoyed this game, but this game has been different than all the games i have played so far

[GrandpaMo]

is it scummy for me to say that like i really dont want to try anymore day 1 lol

like i lost all motivation after that. am i the only one that feels this way?

like i just want to try, but im kept up with life then you have this slow game wiht multiple replacements and now i just have confbias that sheeping scum and i have not read the game litearlly after strangematter left . so if i ignored anyones questions this is why.

you also have the total right to scumread me. hope scum kills me for policy, i wilkl most def try on day 2 and reread the whole entire game again if im alive tho.

so yea give me till like day 2 if possible because i just dont feel the motivation to anymore this day especially with my baised reads.

[GrandpaMo]

ok lol this interaction makes me wanna say something...

tldr; t3 + james are both tvt, if i had to choose at least 1 scum between james is the vote.

but nah nor t3 or james are scum here. ill explain when i get back from work, i think i will have time around 10:30 pm est, oh thats like 1 hour before deadline

hmmm.

im not moving my move honestly.

[GrandpaMo]

i dont think scum!t3 claims vt here after crumbing doc. i do confirm that t3 was crumbing to me. and was crumbing to james as an inside joke referring to "vc" which is something i did last game we were together.

i think t3 would just claim doc, there is no reason for scum!t3 to claim vt unless using it for wifom.

james not understanding this, is very weird. i actually do now think there is scum between vfp + james if t3 flips town.

i would actually vote vfp instead of james because of something which i wont disclose yet

i will post more game analysis when i come back but i have to go!!!

t3 is town!!!!

[GrandpaMo]

The thing is T3, you plausibly are town here.
But it's too late in the day for me to start a fresh wagon on someone, considering I don't like any of the other wagons.

I'm going to stop the current spam with two last questions, there's no chance T3 will answer either really.

Why would doctor crumb so obviously?

Everybody and their grandmother would realise it's fake.

Secondly what is stopping you from playing differently on purpose, you in your eyes always do X as town, what's stopping you, as Scum, from doing X then claiming you're town?

VFP crumbs waaaaay better than you, T3
i have a few more thoughts but let me switch to PC i just woke up

Regarding this whole T3 whole crumb thing, the actual crumb isnt scummy but SOLELY using that to towncase yourself is scummy. T3 has been like "oh look i fake breadcrumbed doctor, im town". James not budging and continuing to push T3 which gives me more reason to TR james

also look at this hostile passive aggressive pushing from 4 of the players against t3. lol

[GrandpaMo]

First, you and Grandpa would be the only ones who would notice the crumb because it was the exact same crumb Grandpa used in 2070. If I died then the other person would know. If scum realize this and don't kill me, then I am kept alive as basically cleared and scum potentially waste their roleblock. TSTBS doesn't apply here. I have my seperate reasons for scumreading both of you. No, withholding a read isn't scummy. I am crumbing doctor to both of you and what I did requires both of you to survive.Yes, I was hiding and planning in advance. I was planning to DIE.

In 2070 I died Day 1 while fake claiming doctor. In 2070 he did it entirely as a joke. I don't know why you're bringing up 2070.

this is also false.

[GrandpaMo]

im vt... i have something to say after i come back from work

[GrandpaMo]

i just have stuff to say from day 1-- im ready to try again just give me a sec to post what im thinking. also you shouldn't claim pr here. if you are pr, you must out regardless.

[GrandpaMo]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

What can I say?

My PoE is Looker, you, and maybe LLD?
But because you're pushing looker you're probably not aligned.

I like it but I feel like we're both wrong on Tr'ing Gpa, but i am confident tring gpa for d2. so yeah we can pre much just lim Looker rn unless he becomes towny

like i said gamesolve day 1. idk who replaced who or what but whoever replaced strange, i still think is scum.

there is definitly scum between LLD, Looker, and Clasko.

Whoever replaced Bulge is probably town.

These are all skim reads.

Hockey + T3 + Cows were always good townreads.

Game is solved.

If someone is PR, they must out right now, or they are just blantaly game throwing.

Also, if I were scum, I could have just easily claimed PR there and probably won so much easier fyi fyi

[GrandpaMo]

I still dop PLAN on doing analysis i just came back from work and im really tired, today is eid which is holiday for me, so ill be inactive and out wit my fam. am planning to post when i come back with the fam

[GrandpaMo]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

What can I say?

My PoE is Looker, you, and maybe LLD?
But because you're pushing looker you're probably not aligned.

I like it but I feel like we're both wrong on Tr'ing Gpa, but i am confident tring gpa for d2. so yeah we can pre much just lim Looker rn unless he becomes towny

like i said gamesolve day 1. idk who replaced who or what but whoever replaced strange, i still think is scum.

there is definitly scum between LLD, Looker, and Clasko.

Whoever replaced Bulge is probably town.

These are all skim reads.

Hockey + T3 + Cows were always good townreads.

Game is solved.

If someone is PR, they must out right now, or they are just blantaly game throwing.

Also, if I were scum, I could have just easily claimed PR there and probably won so much easier fyi fyi

Uhh

I replaced Bulge.

ok good, you were on of my like highest townleans out of the poe. u have been the only one that is like actively gamesolving every since being replaced in.

bulge was already a high townread from day 1 after having the same thoughts on hockey but ur day 2 is good so far.

[GrandpaMo]

we're not eliminating anyone until a full claim from Clasko and a result claim.

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

What can I say?

My PoE is Looker, you, and maybe LLD?
But because you're pushing looker you're probably not aligned.

I like it but I feel like we're both wrong on Tr'ing Gpa, but i am confident tring gpa for d2. so yeah we can pre much just lim Looker rn unless he becomes towny

like i said gamesolve day 1. idk who replaced who or what but whoever replaced strange, i still think is scum.

there is definitly scum between LLD, Looker, and Clasko.

Whoever replaced Bulge is probably town.

These are all skim reads.

Hockey + T3 + Cows were always good townreads.

Game is solved.

If someone is PR, they must out right now, or they are just blantaly game throwing.

Also, if I were scum, I could have just easily claimed PR there and probably won so much easier fyi fyi

Uhh

I replaced Bulge.

ok good, you were on of my like highest townleans out of the poe. u have been the only one that is like actively gamesolving every since being replaced in.

bulge was already a high townread from day 1 after having the same thoughts on hockey but ur day 2 is good so far.

Problem is, GPM, that Clasko is the unCC'd Power Role and that makes him confirmed town.

So right now if I'm town and Clasko is town, your PoE has one person in it and that's Looker. And we have 2 scum.

So it might be time for a re-eval on the rest of the game.

yea i plan on doing that regardless.

[GrandpaMo]

ok i had just had to make sure if vfp died, no he didnt, so they would be 2nd scum here then.

james was town.

honestly, i thought james was a PR, and never wanted to vote them, and that's why I didn't want to focus on all that weird fiasco claim in the beginning because it felt as though.

it looked like there was an assoicative read of calling scum between t3 / vfp. when was james ever in the picture. james looks like someone who scum just took up naturally and pushed for in the last 2nd time just out of a way to save their ass., (this also reminded me of the time where that happened to me where i fake claimed cop as town). a james kill gave us no info at all. vfp / t3 would have gave us so much more information. just to reiterate,

[GrandpaMo]

Why did y'all move from the 1v1 to James of all people

LOL we just said the same thing.

I will ask you a question that should be easy to answer, since I have some free time in trying to gamesolve right now before I leave out...

Why are you town?

[GrandpaMo]

Can you towncase strangematter?

[GrandpaMo]

Am I the only one not seeing Hocket obvtown?

hockey is the one who i wanted to reeval --

there day 1 beginning was so bad and their tunnel on me was bad with many illogical faults / inconsistences, and i had called that Tstbs at one time.

but i just flipped it off, and just townread hockey and hockey backed off, then hockey seemed town thru association // i couldn't see hockey paired up with anyone.

unless they were tryna go for a day 1 bus on hockey but then failed

[GrandpaMo]

Am I the only one not seeing Hocket obvtown?

are you able to scumcase hockey?

[GrandpaMo]

I don't know how I'm supposed to towncase StrangeMatter when he never voted for anybody. It's all subjective. I feel like the only reason you didn't like Rocky was because he voted you in RVS.

Bad reaction.

If you know that your slot is town, you should be able to find reasons to townread strangematter. Are you saying you can't because everything that strange has done is scummy? This post was never about me but it was questioning you. I didn't like rocky because I already had confbias from reading StrangeMatter's slot. I will be reading more into you, individually. Are you able to towncase rockey then?

[GrandpaMo]

Also, I'm town because of nothing right now. Unless Clasko has a result on me, and then I'm town for that, but I'm questioning whether you guys are actually going to elim from James' wagon or if it's going to be a free-for-all.

This is also out of the blue.

"Unless Clasko has a result on me"

Why would Clasko have a result on you if you are town. If you are town, then you are town. Give your reasonings in defense or play your style and gamesolve in offense , and let rest of the village decide for themselves if you are town and scum/.e

[GrandpaMo]

Okay, well that's gross.

We need a result from you Clasko.

Yup, there was always that risk from my POV that I would be the only town PR (50% chance) - most likely C1.

I am indeed outing as Cop, and I

did

get a result (that wasn't cows, lol, that would have been a bad moo-ve) (sorry not sorry).

I'll probably out it when there's 5 days left from deadline (16-ish hours from this post) if that's okay with everyone else - I can reveal sooner if everyone wants, but VFP's the only one who hasn't had a chance to post when we finished mass-claiming and i'd like to know his thoughts pre-result.

16 hours? Hmmm. Okay. I can see what you're going for here. I'm... a little hesitant because I'm worried you might catch as many townies in this as you would scum people, but as long as we take pre-result reads with a grain of salt and look more at inferred connections than first level reads, we're in a good spot.

Plus, 5 days it well enough time to handle this, so okay. 16 hours.

New game, folks:

Everyone but Clasko must play. Name the 2 people you think have the highest individual chance of being scum. It doesn't matter if they'd make a good team, it doesn't matter if you think one of them might be scum but it would make the other town. I'm asking you to provide the two names that, individually, if you voted for either of them today, give the best odds of fipping scum.

I'll even go first.

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

I already said mine, VFP and Looker.

[GrandpaMo]

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

Wait why T3 and Hockey?

[GrandpaMo]

hockey how do you play as scum? do you bus?

[GrandpaMo]

Sorry cant say. but uh its pretty much I either bus hard or I hard allign. I know this is all WIFOM, but take that as u will.

okay then tell me why you are town then

[GrandpaMo]

Are we still waiting on VFP or is he still doing that ill thing?

don't ignore my posts that were against you; i had said something to you and i want you to address that if you will please

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Looker
PoE.

can yall just wait ffs.

i ask for you to unvote, until we get more input / info either from the cop or VFP.

I also ask for you @LLD to out your result, I doubt VFP will come back and it will with another replacement and that replacement will need to reread the game.

Up to you, but I prefer outing now.

[GrandpaMo]

Looker and T3(This slot has become townier but still within my top 2 scum)

T3 is now voting with you, anything to say regarding that?...

[GrandpaMo]

Okay so I was right -- Scum between T3 / VFP not James / VFP.

T3 flipping scum most likley makes VFP town.

@LLD I see how hockey + T3 could be paired. This is why I questioned Hockey on about their playstyle, they said they either hard allign or hard bus then go on about bussing VFP.

Then I ask you call T3 scum but you were voting Looker with them -- This is why now I think Looker is most likely town as well.

I will need to Reeval VFP through this new replacement -- but T3 switching to vote this slot makes it weary for us.

[GrandpaMo]

oh god you're VFP

this... may not be very fun for you

lol i wouldn't have jumped into this game if i didn't think this slot was town

understand why you scumread this slot but think your reasoning is a little bit off, might spend a little time on that, am perfectly willing to make a bet the game wager on my one scumread being correct if there's any fear i might wriggle free

Wait, can you claim?

Your slot hasn't claimed yet.

[GrandpaMo]

What makes T3 on your radar as scum right now?

he has not done anythign towny. Also fwiw, the whole T3/VFP thing is only something i am going to pay attention on d1 most likely. I said in 719 that i think town should shift away from it a bit but since no one budged, i got back on it as we got closer to deadline. Stop assuming that I am going to sus ONLY these 2 the whole gmae

If I give some names, can you tell me what these players have done that is towny? And where the bar is currently at?

Looker
Grampa
LLD
Clasko

Any order is fine.

Grandpa is towny. What his posts look like and the frequency of them are similar but I find Townpa to be open minded and Scumpa to tunnel limbait town.

Damn, you really tried pocketing me through out this whole game. You got me good ngl, you played well as scum honestly.

[GrandpaMo]

First, you and Grandpa would be the only ones who would notice the crumb because it was the exact same crumb Grandpa used in 2070. If I died then the other person would know. If scum realize this and don't kill me, then I am kept alive as basically cleared and scum potentially waste their roleblock. TSTBS doesn't apply here. I have my seperate reasons for scumreading both of you. No, withholding a read isn't scummy. I am crumbing doctor to both of you and what I did requires both of you to survive.Yes, I was hiding and planning in advance. I was planning to DIE.

Bruh -- I forgot you made this play. This was the main reasons I townread you. You played VERY well this game in relaying back the same meta that used against me to relay that you are town.

[GrandpaMo]

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

James is probably town but I can't say why.
Bulge is a tr. I'll metadive him at some point becauseI'm slightly paranoid.
You're vibes towny.
Everyone else I forgot about or is null.

I think T3 just townreads all town here.

I am looking at a possible bus day 1.

I know that I am town, James flipped town, and I was very strong on Bulge being town and their replacement is towny right now so...

[GrandpaMo]

Cows in radiating townieness.

More proof that T3 just townread town.

[GrandpaMo]

I only flail as scum
Looker doesn't exist.
VFP is a consensus scumread.
LLD is kind of weirdly null.
cows is probably town.
hockey scum.
Grandpa and James I will not disclose.

Okay I conclude scum between Hockey / VFP.

[GrandpaMo]

I will need to Reeval VFP through this new replacement -- but T3 switching to vote this slot makes it weary for us.

a basic rule of mafia is that you should ignore literally everything done by outed scum, him moving his vote here is meaningless for my alignment either way. nothing t3 does from this point on means a single thing. i think his approach to vfp is lightly anti-partnery, but i'm of course biased

Yea I am just reading and analyzing T3's ISO.

[GrandpaMo]

And HockeyFan is town from the first page and it's not even close.

first time someone has Tr'd me so quickly

GrandpaMO and Rocky have town equity for their exchange on Page 4.

uh? what part of this interacton is town? Legit all that happend on page 3 is Rocky put a RVS vote on Gpa

Wait @LLD I forgot you had those reads, what made you change you again?

[GrandpaMo]

It doesnt change anything. LLD asked me who are the top 2 indivually scummy people(ppl i want to lim today). This does not mean they are PAIRED. Im just saying, T3 and Looker are my mafia reads and people and I want to lim(now that t3 is outed as mafia I MAY re-eval on looker, but no guarantees)

ok so now who u think t3 is mafia wit then ???

[GrandpaMo]

And HockeyFan is town from the first page and it's not even close.

first time someone has Tr'd me so quickly

GrandpaMO and Rocky have town equity for their exchange on Page 4.

uh? what part of this interacton is town? Legit all that happend on page 3 is Rocky put a RVS vote on Gpa

Wait @LLD I forgot you had those reads, what made you change you again?

I readjusted post day 1, with how the votes moved and came into day 2 looking at T3 and Hockey as my suspects.

And then their interactions early stunk to hgih hell. That's why I named them as my two.

Looker was Rocky?

Okay, so, like... I really REALLY think it's just one of VFP or Hockey now. Rocky was p. town.

I was confused at first too, I thought rocky was someone else and strangematter was Looker -- but then I realized that came from the same slot lol.

Why was rocky town?

[GrandpaMo]

your slot was claimed, Peta

they never claimed...

[GrandpaMo]

Spoiler:

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

fuck u rolled scum like u did in 2068 didnt u

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

James is probably town but I can't say why.
Bulge is a tr. I'll metadive him at some point becauseI'm slightly paranoid.
You're vibes towny.
Everyone else I forgot about or is null.

ffs.

u did the same shit in ur scum game

am i gonna get pocketed

WAIT

"I know your allignment and I know yours"

LOL rlly used that to say i scumslipped in our game, and then get limmed the next day lmao

Should we lim T3 here?

its either that, you, or rocky.

rocky is worse than t3 idk why cows is townreading them lol

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

t3 has like 1 vote from rvs what

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

cows is pushing me lol and puts me scum wit t3 lol

and its weird that i scum read vfp

wait

my vote pool is literally vfp, t3, and rocky

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

I dont understand what the big deal here is? what is so shocking to you about a wagon of 3?

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

I think I scumread T3 based on meta.

I have bias because everytime T3 calls me town out of the blue with no reasoning, they end up flipping scum. So anytime, I hear those words coming out the mouth -- I get paranio. I usually don't end up voting them until probably day 2.

Bringing back to the point, you said earlier that you didn't why Rocky was scum. I will explain why I think rocky is scum.

They have 15 posts which is fine, but till post 61

I don't know if they were serious with that vote, but I will assume they were meming. They continue to meme.

They finally make a serious read in post 117 which was the WIFOMY thing James said about them claiming to be VT... which is something weird to go into especially considering it being the first genuine read.

In post 220 I actually asked for rocky for their reads (I bring this up because you claim I haven't questioned rocky but I have, rocky just had never replied because their last post is post 164)

They unvote without any reasoning.

I do want to point out that I did agree with rocky in post 164, which is something Rocky could be town for but idk if it's a strong enough reason to call them town.

I haven't voted them yet, because I am still waiting them to come back and give me an updated readlist.

I am also waiting on Beezeburger.

Grandpa. vc. Actually though...

gotcha ur town

ok i think the 2 scum lies in

vfp, rockey, beeze, and maybe t3

t3 vc*

James seriously, vc.

yea lol

ur town i think.

indeliberate mason buddy

Everything in his ISO

but you know t3 acts like this both as town and scum.

why are you driving a bw on t3 on NAI things, respectfully you seen me do the same thing in my aliensitter needed game, that was the whole reason i pushed t3 instead of bussing there

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I'm confident the 2 scum are in [T3, The Bulge, Looker].

heavy disagree, both t3 and bulge have been respectuflly townie.

mostly bulge tho, i feel like they aree playing like me, they are wanting a flip, and have had the same thoughts as me before.

ok lol this interaction makes me wanna say something...

tldr; t3 + james are both tvt, if i had to choose at least 1 scum between james is the vote.

but nah nor t3 or james are scum here. ill explain when i get back from work, i think i will have time around 10:30 pm est, oh thats like 1 hour before deadline

hmmm.

im not moving my move honestly.

i dont think scum!t3 claims vt here after crumbing doc. i do confirm that t3 was crumbing to me. and was crumbing to james as an inside joke referring to "vc" which is something i did last game we were together.

i think t3 would just claim doc, there is no reason for scum!t3 to claim vt unless using it for wifom.

james not understanding this, is very weird. i actually do now think there is scum between vfp + james if t3 flips town.

i would actually vote vfp instead of james because of something which i wont disclose yet

i will post more game analysis when i come back but i have to go!!!

t3 is town!!!!

The thing is T3, you plausibly are town here.
But it's too late in the day for me to start a fresh wagon on someone, considering I don't like any of the other wagons.

I'm going to stop the current spam with two last questions, there's no chance T3 will answer either really.

Why would doctor crumb so obviously?

Everybody and their grandmother would realise it's fake.

Secondly what is stopping you from playing differently on purpose, you in your eyes always do X as town, what's stopping you, as Scum, from doing X then claiming you're town?

VFP crumbs waaaaay better than you, T3
i have a few more thoughts but let me switch to PC i just woke up

Regarding this whole T3 whole crumb thing, the actual crumb isnt scummy but SOLELY using that to towncase yourself is scummy. T3 has been like "oh look i fake breadcrumbed doctor, im town". James not budging and continuing to push T3 which gives me more reason to TR james

also look at this hostile passive aggressive pushing from 4 of the players against t3. lol

okay, so, this is a massive unsorted quotedump from grandpamo about T3. while the progression here on a surface level is maybe not the best - i think this is probably not the approach grandpamo takes with a teammate, distancing early and pressuring him only to pull a full reversal and go into full-out defense when t3 was potentially a candidate for elimination. most players tend to take the path of least resistance and bus when their teammate is in danger. i also think, in more general terms, the way grandpamo is responding to t3 here looks authentic, for the most part. stuff like 269 and 573 feels tonally good, i lean toward that stuff being genuine.

i think 811 here though is a strong indicator of grandpa-town, though. the fact that t3 crumbed doctor specifically to grandpamo was very likely an attempt to pocket him and get him to stop scumreading t3. while it's super weird that grandpa did not somehow find him claiming vt instead scummy, i just don't think this is an interaction that happens between partners here. it's too specific and odd, and while that kind of thing can be faked, i find it incredibly unlikely they would try to do so in a newbie game, because it is

very unlikely

most players in the game would read into that sort of thing and see it as unaligned. i think it's the simpler answer: T3 didn't want grandpa pushing him, but didn't want to push back, so he fake-crumbed to try to escape the pressure and grandpa got pocketed by it.

omfg thank u . i forgot had this whole parania regarding t3 -- honestly that just stemmed from me saying that t3 was doing the same exact shit on how they read me and the people around me in the last scum game with them -- then they do the PR fake claim BS which made me instantly turn that scumread into a townread because they did that same thing in our last TOWN game with them, i think it was just a bar of t3 pocketing me. who knows, t3 played well regardless lol

[GrandpaMo]

you're allowed to speculate on it but VFP replaced out of all of his games sitewide and this is verifiable fact, so should be taken as non alignment indicative

You aren't allowed to speculate on replacements -- that's a like a norm rule known site wide, however, it can differ with mods.

But angleshooting / or replacement speculation is usually not allowed.

[GrandpaMo]

Also I am not in favor of a quick hammer in the pervious day just because we had scum confirmed, I still wanted to use the day to get more info from the confirmed cop, and others to see more interactions with other people.

A short day only benefits scum.

[GrandpaMo]

truthfully, almost nothing i do this game is going to be alignment-indicative, because when i replaced in, one mafia was already outed. the reads i gave were largely the ones i had prior to getting my role, so they'd be "honest" even had i replaced a scum slot. i'm not saying this to create uncertainty around me, i just want the newbies in the game to understand - the only real way to read my slot is going to be through reading the actions of VFP and deciding whether they make sense as coming from mafia

I highly and respecfully disagree.

There is many many things that could be allignment indicitve, but to you it may seem NAI because you have had a history of your own knowledgeable meta that "hey, I know I am town because of this and this and I know I am scum when I also do this so its NAI" but once you get to get into more newbie games or even more games, you will realize you may see a pattern, you should know this. There is things that may seem NAI to you but AI to us etc etc.