Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[T3]

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

[T3]

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

Hi T3! Can you post more than 8 times this game, Thanks!

[T3]

I admit it I'm Jester.
I'm kind of tired rn I'll do stuff tomorrow or llater.

[T3]

unless a new topic comes up i will talk about the claim for 9 more days

wtf
Someone claimed?
Rollin gtown in newbie games burns the soul.

[T3]

cow is town.

[T3]

can't be talking about james's alignment too soon, we might find something wacky

What does this even mean

cow is town.

T3, is this gonna be another game where u give reads without much explanation and never give the explanation when asked?

my 2 cents on james (sorry grandpa), i was getting somewhat awkward/forced vibes from his early posting before the claim. my initial reaction to 40 was that i can see scum motivation behind it, specifically the "if I redact it later[...] feel free to hammer me" bit, but aside from it just being a particularly distracting shitpost, i cant find a reason for town to post this seriously. with 104 tho i'm thinking it could be townfuckery that's drawing my suspicion. i stand by the forced feel i was getting early on, but call him a light scumlean for me for now.

I really like this from Bulge, now idk if hes town just yet, but I do like this

Maaaaaaybe!
Maybe not.

[T3]

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

[T3]

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

I disagree but eh its fine, at least this time the TR is justified from u so maybe you are actually town this game

I was town that game

[T3]

"If someone is super scummy, and they usually aren't, run them up a guillotine" - me
VOTE: James

[T3]

Do I let myself get pocketed by bulge and then lose in elo? The answer is, I hope not.

[T3]

"If someone is super scummy, and they usually aren't, run them up a guillotine" - me
VOTE: James

T3 there hasn't been a scum game where you've not scum read me.

This is like VFPs no lim thing.
Sample size: 0

[T3]

i think t3 is town

*opens pocket seams wider and more invitingly*

Happily jumps in

pedit:

[T3]

The Gold Standard for Town!T3: hasn't done anything scummy.

[T3]

serious read tho

Any explanation?

he hasn't done anything scummy

What has he done that is townie?

That's not part of the T3 package.

[T3]

UNVOTE: James
This is a playstyle difference. I put a lot of stock in meta, you don't care about it so you do weird stuff.

[T3]

I counterclaimed James's jailkeeper in the one game we have played together.

[T3]

I was discussing it but u came along with 140 and decided to minimize the discussion and your reasoning in what u just said is super ??. Since when does figuring out James motive for claiming VT/also his aligment result in anti-town behavior?

first i think you mean post 130

2nd i already explained it -- you don't have to move on but if you just do stay on it you might out a pr by doing so.

4th -- me saying "tstbs" was my thought process and reasoning. i gave my reasoning of it being null and can be interperted in different ways. for the third time already, from a towny perspective, it is way different than james's playstyle that im used to and seems out of the blue with it, and with the purpose of creating/sparking discussion (or even softing PR) . from a scum persepctive, this was deemed to put discussion in a way where it created discussion off topic from the OP and bring attention to the people like cows, hockey, grandpa, and bulge who all had opinions -- op then would favor in sum narratives creating pocket and disarrange town to be away from scum as much as possible.

3rd - i think if you were scum, you would have dropped the convo by now, but you seem not hesitant to drop this discussion, so im townleaning you for now as you may just be misguided town.

First... Second.... Fourth??? Third??? *thinking*

[T3]

This has entered a whole new dimension of misinterpretation.

[T3]

This has entered a whole new dimension of misinterpretation.

im going to misinterpret you as town if you keep the goodpostingg up

Also I don't think that other game offsite ended so uh let's not talk about it.

[T3]

Too Town To Be Town?

[T3]

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

James is probably town but I can't say why.
Bulge is a tr. I'll metadive him at some point becauseI'm slightly paranoid.
You're vibes towny.
Everyone else I forgot about or is null.

[T3]

Oh yeah and cows.

[T3]

Too Town To Be Town?

T3 giv me ur reads rn

James is probably town but I can't say why.
Bulge is a tr. I'll metadive him at some point becauseI'm slightly paranoid.
You're vibes towny.
Everyone else I forgot about or is null.

ffs.

u did the same shit in ur scum game

am i gonna get pocketed

WAIT

"I know your allignment and I know yours"

LOL rlly used that to say i scumslipped in our game, and then get limmed the next day lmao

???? You seem to be mixing 2068 andan ongoing game together.

[T3]

I said you townslipped, then the town got you limmed the next day 2068. The "i know your alignment you know mine" was in an ongoing game.

[T3]

Yep.

Cn the scum just claim? I'm bored.

[T3]

vena cava

[T3]

I'm bad at relying on posts.

[T3]

How do you roll scum so often, T3?

I never roll scum. I'm just a vigilante mason witha red role pm. I have transcended into a higher plane of existence.

[T3]

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

[T3]

How do you roll scum so often, T3?

Hey VFP, u seem to be SR'ing t3 here, any particular reason?

Yes, because T3 is posting scummy T3, not town T3.

Wrong.

[T3]

VOTE: HockeyFan

[T3]

*punches wall of text*

[T3]

Response to Grandpa's wallpost

Spoiler:

when did i say u 2 were paired. You both being in my scum list indicates that i think you both are scummy indivually, not in pairs, no need to assume things

You had me and VFP in the same scum pool. By paired, if you look at the context, I was referring how you were scumreading the person who I was scumreading as well or had a POE vote on, we are alligned or "paired" in the context of your reads. I still stand by this. Now, bringing up that we could be scumpartners is a different topic and a more hard analysis to hit on, this is where you need to look at day 1 interactions, who townread who, who scumread who, who got pocketed (if scum flip), who was on wagon (if town flip), and etc.

Okay. You could have just misintreprted the context of my reads and thats fine, but I think when I say you 2 are

indivually scummy

, I mean that. Your push on VFP did not have an effect on my VFP read. I will admit it was a bit weird for one of my

indivually scummy

person was pushing the other, but I didnt think of much of it

Where?

I don't know if you are trolling or what, but I clearly explain where. If you want to take look at the full context, this is what you said below.

"didnt know voting someone is "pushing" them. In fact cows even labelled the vote as "stirring" the pot. I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more."

You said I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant, however still decide to say "why do you care who cows is pushing more." right after, it feels like you already knew the answer to this, I don't know why this was a question in the first place. You said you wanted to drop the convo, but bring up a question that goes back to the topic discussed just prior. And you continue this conversation by asking me a question, with an obvious answer.

Alright im sorry but you are nitpicking here. You said I didnt drop the convo because I didnt stop it at that specific word like what? I was going to drop it AFTER that post

I really wanst but ok who cares

You have and continue to do so. Refer to a later quote that I bring up the word manipulative in. You decide not to speak on anything and continue to find ways to ignore my questions for example, this quote here. In post 284, you ask me the question why do you care who cows is pushing more. I give you the answer that you are manipulating the context (either with intention or unintentionally). Then you proceed to say in your defense, "I really wasn't but okay who cares" Basically saying no, then repeating the question by saying "who cares" when I clearly told you "I care" in post 288 . This is another attempt at you manipulating the context for which it is in.

To answer your question, its because I didnt agree with it and your reasoning was smth wack? Like you wanted T3 because they were "pocketing u" and u wanted Rocky because they werent posting anything useful but maybe you could have interacted with them more like "hey rocky what are your reads(this is what u did with T3 but not rocky which is ??)" instead of immediately voting them

No comment, this topic is dumb

This is another attempt at you withholding info -- either in a scum mindset or anti-town mindset regardless. If you feel like the topic is dumb, then explain to me why it is dumb, why to proceed calling it dumb to have nothing to say then invoke a provocative statement that will provoke a reaction? Let's analyze this further. I explain to you how you were being hypocritical, and provide my reasoning, I also explain what you said and how I justify with my concern on what cow's votes mean, specifically the vote on me. I will explain again. A vote is a vote, no longer RVS. In post 293, cows proceeds to say "also, by stirring the pot i mean deliberately taking a side so i can learn more about my poggers top scumreads" -- this implies that their vote was a serious vote and for the reason to know more info about me knowing that I am scum already in their perspective. This contradicts your whole narative.

Its dumb because we are arguing about what another persons intentions were. They can explain it themselves or we can just move on because we arent mind readers all of a sudden. Its weird you tried to accuse me of "withholding info" when I dont have any info on this topic since I cant read cows mind

Why is it relevant to this convo who cows is Sr'ing? Me and cows are not the same people. Cows did not call your vote pool bad, I did

This is probably the only good post you had from this bad wall post.

To answer your question, it is because you started to bring up cows only after I question the votes on T3. You proceed to say "not 3 votes, but 3 people who are pushing, cows, me, and vfp" Then I proceed to say, wrong! Cows is pushing me! Then you respond to two things in my post 277 . You respond the cows statement, and a statement on my vote pool implying it's weird. Then I respond explaining that they are voting me. And you refute. Then I proceed to give you an example with what I said to cows. Then I ask cows for the explanation since you, Hockey, never decide to ask cows and just assume that cows is literally talking about what you are and haven't seen what has been going around with me. (which also points to another point of you being hypocritical, that you called me out for assumption). Then convo ends there because I leave.

So to look at this at the full context, it is relevant to this convo because you had provided a misunderstanding on a narrative that was supporting your scumread on me which is me initially voting T3, then you getting offended with 3 votes on them. Then I explain how cows is voting me and scumread me more due to this so it would only be me and VFP on T3 and cows and you hockey on me. That is why it is relevant because you portray me in a bad and manipulative manner due to this. Also the vote pool thing is completely irrelevant, I don't know why that comment was necessary, however since we are talking about that I do want to touch on that slightly. This brings us to the next quote.

Also, nevermind, this isn't a good quote, reading back it also looked like you cherrypicked a few things.

Cows can have more than 1 push at a time. Also im not being manipvulate, we are just misinterpreting each others posts every single time which means this is probably TVT and I want it to end there because this has been dragged on too long(do not nitpick this saying "omg u talked about this after this EXACT word when u said you were done with it")

yea so, just because we have simillar thoughts on VFP doesnt make your vote pool good. I dont agree with your other vote pool in T3/Rocky

You decide to be surprised with my vote pool but later on agree and admit that we may have similar thoughts on VFP. (post 298). So wouldn't we both be capable to lim VFP here? but disagree with my take on T3/rocky. What's wrong with it? You still haven't answered my question I initially asked in 288. Just because you disagree with my vote pool, that doesn't require an input from you saying "What is this vote pool lol"

You were one of my Sr's at the time so I wanted to get reasoning from u. We could both be capable to lim VFP here but before i wrote this post, idk how I felt about me wanting to vote one of my sr's sr's

I make this a clear point and bring cows into question because, look, cows has me and T3 as scum and you have me and VFP as scum. And my vote pool is T3 and VFP (+ rocky), but the point is what's it being different if cows wanted to lim T3? It just felt like you were using this as another way to find me as "scum" with your passive aggressive tone which I don't understand WHY you would in the first place.

Conclusion:

This post frustrated me, not only because it was so manipulative but because I actually townread you hockey. And having this response from you is weird. I was bias earlier in townreading you because I have played with you and you are a friend, but not all friends are the same allignment. I do now want to think you are scum.

I am null - scumleaning you now. And feel like you still have town equity only if someone else or you can convince me otherwise.

I am playing how I usually as town, I also advise you to stop, and reread the game if you are town. Look at my previous scum games, and my town games see why I say what I say as scum, then come to it from a town perspective, why I say what I say as town. Many newbs, like you, just easily use me as liable scum target day 1 and even town will scumread me because I am usually incomprehendable to newbs on the first time. But you are a good player, hockey, and I don't want you costing a lim because you have confbias as town.

I will unvote for now.

UNVOTE:

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:badposting:

[T3]

Grandpa. vc. Actually though...

[T3]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

I don't see how refusing to give AI content is a scumtell.

[T3]

The dolphin flipped too hard and broke his neck.

[T3]

With grabdoa in the game the postcount goes....

[T3]

Cows in radiating townieness.

[T3]

Cows in radiating townieness.

For any other reason than them townreading you?

Strange's enterance felt tonally off but other than that fine and cows seems to agree.

[T3]

TSTBS is usually okay-ish when the person in question is actively and deliberately doing things to draw attention.

[T3]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer

vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

UNVOTE: HockeyFan
VOTE: cowsloveSushirolls

Worst excuse to vote someone of the month.

[T3]

TSTBS is usually okay-ish when the person in question is actively and deliberately doing things to draw attention.

are you satisfied with the way it's been used in the thread, then? or no?

No. From what grandpa is saying hockey is actually doing scummy stuff, but not in a way to draw attention.

[T3]

t3 vc*

James seriously, vc.

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Why even say this?? u could have just said "i think 1 scum lies in here" not give PR ideas to mafia smh

i dont even think yall are prs lmfao

im just tryan confuse mafia

Man I'm 10 minutes late I suck

I can still lim this slot. Depending if Theres a replacement of course...

Okay wow wtf
VOTE: VFP

[T3]

#NoMoreDeadTownies

[T3]

@fferyllt / Cabd - V/LA over the weekend.

Huge game this weekend so I'm going to avoid MS all weekend and just enjoy it coming home!

I immediately googled "uk football" and then realized that I used football instead of soccer.

[T3]

UNVOTE: cowsloveSushirolls
VOTE: The Bulge

is this a serious vote?

[T3]

UNVOTE: cowsloveSushirolls
VOTE: The Bulge

is this a serious vote?

[T3]

I can't say why bc of ongoing games but I

think

Bulge is almost certainly town.

[T3]

the question is open to everyone
tell me how scum!VFP plays

Almost every single one of VFP's games has been with me.
I still have no idea.

[T3]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

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SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I didn't see it

maybe because of the 60 line walls

[T3]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I didn't see it

maybe because of the 60 line walls

T3 why do u TR cows

Honestly just vibes and an earlier towny post.

[T3]

VOTE: HockeyFan

[T3]

cows push is a joke. Speaking of which, how much is the fruit gummy?

[T3]

*spams 25 posts*

[T3]

cows push is a joke. Speaking of which, how much is the fruit gummy?

i skimmed through this, but i didn't really try to decipher the meaning

did you mean that you think my push was poorly executed or me trying to be funny?

You trying to be funny. Like it didn't really seem like it had much of a goal.

[T3]

I'm boredboredboredboredrainrainrainrain

[T3]

First we should make dolphin soup.

[T3]

I plead no contest.

[T3]

Nugget of wisdom: Don't lim Grandpa or James today. f

[T3]

Look looker, I know you rolled scum. Please confess?

[T3]

We have 3 days left

[T3]

VOTE: vfp
Time is run ing out and this seems to be a consensus scumread.

[T3]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

i know you said you don't know exactly how scum VFP plays, but if VFP playing nothing like they have in previous games, then they really are true null, no?

T3 knows how I play as either align.
Don't fall for the lies!

You jioke around a lot and are really stubborn as town.

[T3]

This game is cursed.

Theseus's ship.

[T3]

Grandpa and James (I think) know what's up.

[T3]

Looker replaces StrangeMatter. Please welcome him!

New Deadline: July 16, Midnight US Eastern Time

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-15 21:00:00)

Due to a user error my part, Looker didn't get the role PM until just now. Apologies to all!

Now he can look at his role pm!

[T3]

Welcome to hell! I hope you enjoy your stay.

[T3]

oh yeah @mod, on post 1 the game is labelled "pizza"

unless this is some kind of statement you are making

is pizza a sandwich? :OOOO

Dude I'd kill this today in a heartbeat I think, but I'll need to see what's going on in the rest of this.

Are you joking?

[T3]

I'll just explain the intent behind my post 40 shall I?
If scum end up thinking I'm a Power Role from this, voila, there's 1 night without a dead Power Role.
If scum leave me, we have a non-Mason conf-town, always lovely.
Or maybe I'm just scum pulling your leg early.

Kay I'm a fan of possibly sticking this person 6 feet under too tbh.

That post screams towny to me. Explain.

[T3]

VOTE: lld
This feels similar to Yggdrasil when LLD was scum in the sense that she's trying to control the game. I disagree with her James read and she's trying to pocket hockey.

[T3]

Oh boy, time to read the game, find the scum team day 1, lead a scum elimination and get shot at night

let's go

This is you outright implying it, and the tone of your posts seems authoritative and weird.

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VOTE: lld
This feels similar to Yggdrasil when LLD was scum in the sense that she's trying to control the game. I disagree with her James read and she's trying to pocket hockey.

I always try and control the game regardless of alignment.

By the way, for the person who was talking about NAI things: This is an example of the proper time to use NAI. When someone is describing a playstyle uniformity.

I'm sure there's some minor differences in how I approach my game control between town and scum but I am also a player who actively changes her meta game to game on purpose so, it's a bit hard to describe I think.

Regardless, this is the proper use for NAI. Controlling a game is not an action done more frequently as scum than town.

Also, I'd call into question how exactly I'm controlling the game when I have yet to place a vote, and am currently catching up. In what way am I controlling a game when I'm not even pushing a wagon yet?

Can you please explain to me? I need to determine your sincerity in making this argument to read you.

I also don't understand how you could have possibly got a read on Hockey from those first few pages.
UNVOTE: lld
I'll look at your meta.

[T3]

That's fair.
Tenet LLD has a really weird a almost 'Trumped Up' tone. I get the same feeling here but to a lesser degree. Warehouse LLD is obvtown early but I'm not sure what about that game I can compare to this. All I remember from playing with LLD in DEFCON 5 was her getting mad and then dying. I'll look over that one.

[T3]

DEFCON LLD was very confident in her early reads which matches this game. Her tone feels different though.

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T3, what are u doing. You are attempting to read someone based off of meta alone. Why not do this wiith some of the other game? Why is LLD an exception?

1. That's wrong.
2. This is a newbie.
3. LLD has a lot of meta I can look at.

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T3, what are u doing. You are attempting to read someone based off of meta alone. Why not do this wiith some of the other game? Why is LLD an exception?

Because T3 is scum!

pog vfp good read

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind.

ok pog u scumread me in the beginning, decide to sheep me, then now you wanna vote me

k cool

Gpa we've been over this. Just because i had similar reads to u does not mean i was sheeping u. My reads had no influence based off of your reads

Grandpa's Reads ©2021

[T3]

T3, what are u doing. You are attempting to read someone based off of meta alone. Why not do this wiith some of the other game? Why is LLD an exception?

1. That's wrong.

2. This is a newbie.
3. LLD has a lot of meta I can look at.

Shouldn't newbies be to get a grip on mechanics and common things rather than learning to rely on meta?

bruh.jpg

[T3]

VOTE: veeeeeeeee f p

[T3]

Metadecentmostofthetime.

[T3]

I only flail as scum
Looker doesn't exist.
VFP is a consensus scumread.
LLD is kind of weirdly null.
cows is probably town.
hockey scum.
Grandpa and James I will not disclose.

[T3]

I only flail as scum

outing as scum bet

Looker doesn't exist.
VFP is a consensus scumread.
LLD is kind of weirdly null.
cows is probably town.
hockey scum.
Grandpa and James I will not disclose.

No .-.

[T3]

^town

[T3]

T3 is obvscum here why would we potentially mislim you as a potential town.

James. Look at the VC. <--

[T3]

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

[T3]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

uhhhhhhhhh jeteon? is this a trick question :^)

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

you haven't either, which is explicitly why i haven't voted yet

Oh hockey is jeteon? I'm the noah guy from the politics server.

[T3]

VFP literally has not explained the meta case on me.

[T3]

I hardclaim VT. I've been hard crumbing doctor to James and Grandpa this entire time to see if I could bait the nightkill. If I survived, either the setup is 2 goons or they are both town. Grandpa acknowledged it. There is literally no way James didn't notice the crumb. I must have crumbed it 5+ times. James and VFP literally have so much scum equity.

[T3]

VFP literally has not explained the meta case on me.

Ive explained on par to how I usually do. I find it odd that this is the issue you have.

Also there's that you're dead wrong, which you usually aren't.

[T3]

First, you and Grandpa would be the only ones who would notice the crumb because it was the exact same crumb Grandpa used in 2070. If I died then the other person would know. If scum realize this and don't kill me, then I am kept alive as basically cleared and scum potentially waste their roleblock. TSTBS doesn't apply here. I have my seperate reasons for scumreading both of you. No, withholding a read isn't scummy. I am crumbing doctor to both of you and what I did requires both of you to survive.Yes, I was hiding and planning in advance. I was planning to DIE.

[T3]

There is literally no scum motivation behind this play. VFP is completely ignoring the crumb and my explanation behind it. Unless this is some ridiculous scenario when VFP is completrly wrong about mymeta for unknkown reason and you genuinely thought it wasn't crumb you're scum.

Fake crumbing pr is something I as town and you should know that.

[T3]

Also, if I'm scum fake crumbing doctor for later isn't one crumb that I can refer to enough? I was trying to make it really, really obvious to you/Grandpa.

[T3]

If you don't explain in detail why you scumread me then yes, I think this is the closest thing that has merit.

[T3]

If you don't explain in detail why you scumread me then yes, I think this is the closest thing that has merit.

When do I explain in detail though?

You didn't. I don't think you've ever been this wrong about me so unless my playstyle has changed a lot (which, granted, I have been posting a lot more) I think you/James is the team.

[T3]

If you don't explain in detail why you scumread me then yes, I think this is the closest thing that has merit.

When do I explain in detail though?

You didn't. I don't think you've ever been this wrong about me so unless my playstyle has changed a lot (which, granted, I have been posting a lot more) I think you/James is the team.

Can James still be scum if I'm not?

Probably, for completely ignoring the doctor thing and trying to push me. I'm not sure who he would be scum with.

[T3]

VOTE: James
Like... I guess looking back on this my playstyle has definitely changed as in that I'm posting a lot more. I find it implausible that town James didn't even take into account meta or the crumb when pushing me.

[T3]

Either you're pr who directly contradicts doctor, or you're scum.

[T3]

I crumbed specifically to you and Grandpa. Also, why would scum crumb so obviouy?

[T3]

Either you're pr who directly contradicts doctor, or you're scum.

Why would a doctor make crumbing obvious?

I'm not doctor.

[T3]

i guess a point for T3 was if they were actually going to do this as VT they made sure to do it as deliberately as possible in a way that a doctor would never do

T3, what was your intent by crumbing?

I'm just bad at crumbing lol
My intent was to find scum in Grandpa/James depending on whether I was killed

[T3]

Ew but for different reasons.

[T3]

Are you trying to chain up mis lims?

This was also my thought process, if you're town then it points to Hockey setting up mislims.

[T3]

What makes T3 on your radar as scum right now?

he has not done anythign towny. Also fwiw, the whole T3/VFP thing is only something i am going to pay attention on d1 most likely. I said in 719 that i think town should shift away from it a bit but since no one budged, i got back on it as we got closer to deadline. Stop assuming that I am going to sus ONLY these 2 the whole gmae

If I give some names, can you tell me what these players have done that is towny? And where the bar is currently at?

Looker
Grampa
LLD
Clasko

Any order is fine.

Grandpa is towny. What his posts look like and the frequency of them are similar but I find Townpa to be open minded and Scumpa to tunnel limbait town.

[T3]

Vote Count 1-15

The history of the Reuben sandwich is somewhat contested. There is some evidence that the first Reuben was served at the Blackstone Hotel in Omaha, Nebraska that hosted a (yes, once again) gambling club. and also that Reuben's Restaurant in New York was the birthplace of the sandwich. By the 1940s, there are menus from both restaurants that feature the Reuben as it is known today: corned beef, Swiss cheese, sauerkraut, and Russian dressing, grilled between slices of rye bread.

T3

(3): VFP, JamesTheNames, cowsloveSushirolls

VFP

(2): Looker, HockeyFan

Looker

(1): GrandpaMo

JamesTheNames

(1): T3

Not Voting

(2): Clasko, Lady Lambdadelta

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Revised Deadline: July 17, Midnight US Eastern Time (one day added)

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-16 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

fferyllt-Cabd combined ISO for vote counts
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This VC is still the same.

VOTE: James
If there's interest here I can lim James over T3. I'm changing my mind on T3.

Vote: James

Eh sure, I'll sheep the consensus. Some of my read's based on the claim anyway:

VOTE: JamesTheNames

(1): Claskjo

*rolls eyes*

That's E-1.

This wagon materialized way to fast.

[T3]

NVM there's 2 hours until deadline.

[T3]

James in in the uk so I don't think he'll be around at deadline considering it's 3 am there.

[T3]

Unless James wakes up to get a 3 AM snack and develops ESP and realizes he's being wagoned I think whoever is online has to hamer him if we are to avoid a no lim.

[T3]

Unless James wakes up to get a 3 AM snack and develops ESP and realizes he's being wagoned I think whoever is online has to hamer him if we are to avoid a no lim.

oh do u have to hammer for vote to go through? i thought maj vote gets limmed

You have to hammer.

[T3]

I still prefer a James wagon. Also, I don't think enough people are online to mount a wagon on VFP in an hour.

[T3]

My play really has changed and I think VFP is either alignment who noticed that and is pushing me. I was solely scumreading VFP for reading me wrong but looking at my own meta I'm not sure whether I'm scummy or just weirdly null from an outsiders POV.

[T3]

The cow choked to death on a sushiroll.

[T3]

VT
LLD'S turn.

I'll try and get on as and when but I'm pretty ill so don't expect much the next couple of days.

VT.

I'd like T3 to go next.

And remember. It's VT or Power Role. Don't claim a specific role yet, at all.

I already claimed, I'm VT.

[T3]

This means the setup is 2 goons I think?

[T3]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

[T3]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

What can I say?

My PoE is Looker, you, and maybe LLD?
But because you're pushing looker you're probably not aligned.

[T3]

If he's cop that's really good I think. Jailkeeper less so.

[T3]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

What can I say?

My PoE is Looker, you, and maybe LLD?
But because you're pushing looker you're probably not aligned.

I like it but I feel like we're both wrong on Tr'ing Gpa, but i am confident tring gpa for d2. so yeah we can pre much just lim Looker rn unless he becomes towny

To me, LLD immediately townreading you feels like pocketing. Then again, it was really obvious so it might be scumbag tring scumbag?

[T3]

Honestly I just didn't think of interactions around Hockey.

[T3]

Am I the only one not seeing Hocket obvtown?

[T3]

Looker and LLD.

[T3]

VOTE: Looker
PoE.

[T3]

[T3]

I knew she should have roleblocked Clasko.

[T3]

VOTE: peta
Back off.

[T3]

First, you and Grandpa would be the only ones who would notice the crumb because it was the exact same crumb Grandpa used in 2070. If I died then the other person would know. If scum realize this and don't kill me, then I am kept alive as basically cleared and scum potentially waste their roleblock. TSTBS doesn't apply here. I have my seperate reasons for scumreading both of you. No, withholding a read isn't scummy. I am crumbing doctor to both of you and what I did requires both of you to survive.Yes, I was hiding and planning in advance. I was planning to DIE.

Bruh -- I forgot you made this play. This was the main reasons I townread you. You played VERY well this game in relaying back the same meta that used against me to relay that you are town.

VOTE: T3

[T3]

Ugh I said I wasn't gonna do walls...

Clasko, as confirmed town, now would be a great time for you to bounce ideas off me since you are gonna be 6 feet under tomorrow.

For the record, LLD, I would also choose Hockey over VFP-slot as the D3 elim. I can't see VFP/T3 team both pivoting onto claimed-VT James (who was townread by some - myself, hockey, cows, there may have been others) EoD, after VFP pushes for T3 for the majority of D1 (albeit a half-baked push with not much substance).

Towards beginning of D2, I was considering one of Grandpa/Looker as the team when I saw my result on T3, and had Hockey as 4th most likely partner of the 5, but that could have been my bias coming into play since I sort of townread them towards EoD1. I think LLD & peta make compelling arguments about Hockey voting VFP whilst keeping their FoS on T3 without actually pushing them. Looking back at Hockey's D1 ISO, I'm starting to believe it even more.

T3/Looker is a more scary combination because I can't

really

make a case for them being partners at all with the information provided.

Grandpa I'm less confident on, but I'm coming around to the idea that Grandpa maybe just busses T3 here instead of hard-defending them towards EoD, and continued to do so until I outed the result (926) - obviously scum!GPA has incentive to defend T3 since two co-ordinated mafia members have a more influence over a bunch of townies trying to figure things out for themselves, but I can't help but feel Grandpa bussing T3 would be the ideal strat and he didn't do that. I read individual scumminess from Grandpa at EoD for being absent/disengaged, and not choosing one of the two leading wagon at EoD and instead sticking to Looker despite them obviously never being the D1 elim, but they've picked up the pace D2.

As for LLD, I'm somewhat confident in her not being the partner - I agree with peta that her posts towards T3 don't look like scum theatre and she's done proactive things for town (admittedly they claim to do this as either align but it feels very helpful in the context of this game), and going back to Bulge for a moment, they were quick to townread T3 in a game where scum don't want to be associated with each other, and I don't think Bulge TR's a scum teammate for a reason based on 'gut' that will be most likely met with adversity and unwanted attention due to how people usually react to T3's play.

Take these with a pinch of salt because my experience playing mafia is sorely lacking, and recently skimming peta's posts may have influenced my own reads of people.

Here is a question: why does T3 shoot Cows?

IMO (with benefit of hindsight) he was a loud town voice who was building a case for T3 scum, in a game with three, not-fully-established-into-the-game, replace-ins (in me, yourself & looker). I doubt it was PR-hunting anyway. I'll probably re-ISO cows to see if my above opinions change as we're heading towards EoD2 somewhat quickly.

I would be looking at this order for D3 elim if I were there:

Hockey > Looker>Grandpa > LLD>peta

I knew she should have roleblocked Clasko.

Nice appeal to my paranoia there. D:

The way you organized your first post felt like a pr looking for who to do the action on so I suggested we roleblock you, but my partner suggested someone else.

[T3]

I think meta is why a lot of people create alts. Are we waiting for anything else?

VOTE: looker
Go away.

[T3]

mine

[T3]

Clasko has given me what I was looking for, I don't see a reason in progressing further today.

Vote: T3

[T3]

I'm mason with fferryllt

[T3]

dont gotta answer that now of course

VOTE: T3


fwiw i did a check on t3's meta and he's not as consistently bus-y in newbie games so i guess that evidence doesn't work, still think him and hockeyfans stances on each other are very telling. i can go into the cows nk for a bit though.

He scumread my partner.

[T3]

VOTE: t3