Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[HockeyFan]

Hey everyone! This is my 2nd game on the site so cant wait. I have played a lot with cowslovesushirolls/Gpa on other sites so I may meta read them a bit.

I do have 1 question for VFP tho, looking at your past games, it seems like u love to no lim d1, whys that

With that being said, lets quickhammer Grandpa before he gets to post.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

[HockeyFan]

i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan

This is a terrible list and you should be punished for it

[HockeyFan]

i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan

This is a terrible list and you should be punished for it

with that attitude you'll never get grandpamo quickly hammered at this pace
NERD!

ok what if I pay pal u 20 dollars, will u vote Gpa for me?

[HockeyFan]

Hey everyone! This is my 2nd game on the site so cant wait. I have played a lot with cowslovesushirolls/Gpa on other sites so I may meta read them a bit.

I do have 1 question for VFP tho, looking at your past games, it seems like u love to no lim d1, whys that

With that being said, lets quickhammer Grandpa before he gets to post.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Mo is fun. Stop this.

We have different defintions of "fun" (this is a joke, I love playing with Grandpa but hes always mafia!)

[HockeyFan]

ok what if I pay pal u 20 dollars, will u vote Gpa for me?

post sandwich list, and i will find out if your money is tainted or not

mann I really dont have one.

1. Grilled Cheese Sandwiches?

Happy?
now vote Grandpa or you're scum

[HockeyFan]

ok what if I pay pal u 20 dollars, will u vote Gpa for me?

post sandwich list, and i will find out if your money is tainted or not

mann I really dont have one.

1. Grilled Cheese Sandwiches?

Happy?
now vote Grandpa or you're scum

You're telling me you just have cheese on a sandwich?

yes... dont question my sandwich choices pls, dont eat much of them

[HockeyFan]

UNVOTE: Rocky14
VOTE: HockeyFan
Next you'll be telling me you don't like marmite.

Horrid stuff.

Rocky town

[HockeyFan]

Oh, I'll just get this out of the way, I'm Mason buddies with fferyllt, she used her cop powers to track HockeyFan visiting Rocky14 and jailing Rocky14.

Noo!! Whyd u out me as jailkeeper already >:(

[HockeyFan]

James, I want to coast for the day.
Can I rely on you to hard defend me today?

VFP, you can just out as mafia rn instead of doing this, its fine. Also what happend to your No-lim, I thought u no-limd every game(or is it only when you're town?)

[HockeyFan]

VFP, you can just out as mafia rn instead of doing this, its fine. Also what happend to your No-lim, I thought u no-limd every game(or is it only when you're town?)

meta readers be like 'using my extensive knowledge of your games i see that you only say scrumbly bingus when you are mafia....... what say you?'

cows, just cuz im 1 step ahead of u doesn't mean u have to discredit my read on your mafia partner

[HockeyFan]

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

Hi T3! Can you post more than 8 times this game, Thanks!

[HockeyFan]

[quote="In post 57, cowsloveSushirolls"][/quote]

The answer is never. Voting me is never reasonable

[HockeyFan]

tstbs

wtf is tstbs

[HockeyFan]

tstbs

There is literally 0 chance that's the read u got out of James post 40 if you are town. How are u even getting a read on that post

[HockeyFan]

oops, mb for quoting error

[HockeyFan]

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

Hi T3! Can you post more than 8 times this game, Thanks!

ok T3 churn out some reads on James before we know it we'll have our first universal townread

why do u want to have a Universval tr 5 pages in? Are you trying to get your mafia teamamate Utr'd? Also I dont see the appeal for Tr'ing James, so what makes u TR james?

[HockeyFan]

On a serious note though, I'm a Vanilla Townie, if I redact it later and claim a Power Role feel free to hammer me. Thank you.

I love how u said "serious" here, when this seems 100% like filler. What was the point of saying this/claiming VT a couple pages into the thread

[HockeyFan]

On a serious note though, I'm a Vanilla Townie, if I redact it later and claim a Power Role feel free to hammer me. Thank you.

I love how u said "serious" here, when this seems 100% like filler. What was the point of saying this/claiming VT a couple pages into the thread

oh nvm I didnt see 104 when posting this, but still this isnt a "serious" thing to say at all

[HockeyFan]

why do u want to have a Universval tr 5 pages in? Are you trying to get your mafia teamamate Utr'd? Also I dont see the appeal for Tr'ing James, so what makes u TR james?

seems like you dont want the POE to be shrunk
it would be a good strategy if we were not in newd3 and if i was actually charismatic
neither of which are really the case
post #111 was my reasoning. since you started out in the same community i think, i'm wondering about your two cents on what i said

eh I think its mostly NAI, i think ppl who say they're VT appear as they're town to not get sussed later

[HockeyFan]

why do u want to have a Universval tr 5 pages in? Are you trying to get your mafia teamamate Utr'd? Also I dont see the appeal for Tr'ing James, so what makes u TR james?

seems like you dont want the POE to be shrunk
it would be a good strategy if we were not in newd3 and if i was actually charismatic
neither of which are really the case
post #111 was my reasoning. since you started out in the same community i think, i'm wondering about your two cents on what i said

eh I think its mostly NAI, i think ppl who say they're VT appear as they're town to not get sussed later

wording hard

trying to appear*

[HockeyFan]

ok, I see the wording change
so you're saying that its NAI because it's solely a way to look more town, but isn't exactly protown? im still thinking about this

yep. It isnt pro town at all. You can out PR's and Vt's arent self confirmable so there is no point in claiming VT f1 as town cuz its smth scum can do aswell

[HockeyFan]

Hey @Grandpa, u said in 79 "also i wanna create early discussion and move from the flavor scum fluff talk". Well u've had about 10 posts and none of them done what you wanted to do. Sure u had a mini read on James about him "tstbs" but like what else....? You even shut down the discussion from that post so what are you attempting to do?

[HockeyFan]

can't be talking about james's alignment too soon, we might find something wacky

What does this even mean

cow is town.

T3, is this gonna be another game where u give reads without much explanation and never give the explanation when asked?

my 2 cents on james (sorry grandpa), i was getting somewhat awkward/forced vibes from his early posting before the claim. my initial reaction to 40 was that i can see scum motivation behind it, specifically the "if I redact it later[...] feel free to hammer me" bit, but aside from it just being a particularly distracting shitpost, i cant find a reason for town to post this seriously. with 104 tho i'm thinking it could be townfuckery that's drawing my suspicion. i stand by the forced feel i was getting early on, but call him a light scumlean for me for now.

I really like this from Bulge, now idk if hes town just yet, but I do like this

[HockeyFan]

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

I disagree but eh its fine, at least this time the TR is justified from u so maybe you are actually town this game

[HockeyFan]

hi, back from sleep. i responded to some posts here, but clipped some parts where i didn't respond

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

I disagree but eh its fine, at least this time the TR is justified from u so maybe you are actually town this game

could you clarify what "the TR is justified from u" means, @hockey?

Ok so pretty much I can reword it a bit. Basically the reasoning for his TR on u is smth I liked

[HockeyFan]

Hockeyfan can you explain why you thought James' 40 was so nai you seemingly accused grandpa of faking a read on it?

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town

should

do, so imo its NAI

Hey @Grandpa, u said in 79 "also i wanna create early discussion and move from the flavor scum fluff talk". Well u've had about 10 posts and none of them done what you wanted to do. Sure u had a mini read on James about him "tstbs" but like what else....? You even shut down the discussion from that post so what are you attempting to do?

Weren't you still discussing? Cows even implied and explicitly said they were talking about the claim etc. It's ironic becuase THAT caused the discussion in the first place.

After I said a read, which was the first geninue read of the game with a line of reasoning, you decided to respond to it and that sparked discussion.

I did shut it down due to it later being NAI and maybe sparking some anti-town behavior which results in outting a PR by accident etc.

I was discussing it but u came along with 140 and decided to minimize the discussion and your reasoning in what u just said is super ??. Since when does figuring out James motive for claiming VT/also his aligment result in anti-town behavior?

my 2 cents on james (sorry grandpa), i was getting somewhat awkward/forced vibes from his early posting before the claim. my initial reaction to 40 was that i can see scum motivation behind it, specifically the "if I redact it later[...] feel free to hammer me" bit, but aside from it just being a particularly distracting shitpost, i cant find a reason for town to post this seriously. with 104 tho i'm thinking it could be townfuckery that's drawing my suspicion. i stand by the forced feel i was getting early on, but call him a light scumlean for me for now.

Lol, I love how Hockey pointed out my read (same exact reasoning too!) and said it was weird for me to say it. But once Bulge, you, said it all of a sudden "I liked it"

What's the difference between me and bulge's post that made you like theirs instead of mine?

Bulge didnt say tstbs, and explained their thought process behind it instead of just flat out saying "oh James is tstbs"

[HockeyFan]

my 2 cents on james (sorry grandpa), i was getting somewhat awkward/forced vibes from his early posting before the claim. my initial reaction to 40 was that i can see scum motivation behind it, specifically the "if I redact it later[...] feel free to hammer me" bit, but aside from it just being a particularly distracting shitpost, i cant find a reason for town to post this seriously. with 104 tho i'm thinking it could be townfuckery that's drawing my suspicion. i stand by the forced feel i was getting early on, but call him a light scumlean for me for now.

Lol, I love how Hockey pointed out my read (same exact reasoning too!) and said it was weird for me to say it. But once Bulge, you, said it all of a sudden "I liked it"

What's the difference between me and bulge's post that made you like theirs instead of mine?

I want to add something to what Mo added here.

in my homesite claiming VT early comes from town many times more than scum so i'll townbin you and call it a day

Why do you have an issue with GrandpaMo, when cowlovesSushirolls did worse? According to Mo what I did puts me between Null and Town for him. Null is an option bare in mind. For cowlovesSushirolls they town binned me.
So how come cowlovesSushirolls didn't get something along the lines of :

Alright, sure I may have softballed cows there and I dont like it, looking back. But still, town binning someone is less scum leaning then having them has null to town because that way, you keep your options open which is why i pressured Grandpa more.

There is literally 0 chance that's the read u got out of James post 40 if you are town. How are u even getting a read on that post

In fact instead of pressuring cowlovesSushirolls in a similar way to GrandpaMo, you give, basically the complete opposite as a response:

Wow what a surprise, I interact different with my SRs then I do with my TR's, crazy right?

eh I think its mostly NAI, i think ppl who say they're VT appear as they're town to not get sussed later

My vote is staying on Hockey Fan.

[HockeyFan]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

[HockeyFan]

I was discussing it but u came along with 140 and decided to minimize the discussion and your reasoning in what u just said is super ??. Since when does figuring out James motive for claiming VT/also his aligment result in anti-town behavior?

first i think you mean post 130

2nd i already explained it -- you don't have to move on but if you just do stay on it you might out a pr by doing so.

4th -- me saying "tstbs" was my thought process and reasoning. i gave my reasoning of it being null and can be interperted in different ways. for the third time already, from a towny perspective, it is way different than james's playstyle that im used to and seems out of the blue with it, and with the purpose of creating/sparking discussion (or even softing PR) . from a scum persepctive, this was deemed to put discussion in a way where it created discussion off topic from the OP and bring attention to the people like cows, hockey, grandpa, and bulge who all had opinions -- op then would favor in sum narratives creating pocket and disarrange town to be away from scum as much as possible.

3rd - i think if you were scum, you would have dropped the convo by now, but you seem not hesitant to drop this discussion, so im townleaning you for now as you may just be misguided town.

No comment, dont understand the logic in your 2nd point but we can drop it for now

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

No. That isn't what TSTBS means. It implies town not scum behavior. Also I am still confused on your reads here -- You say it's null but then you say town has 0 reason to do this which implies you scumread James, then you go on to say that you don't SR them because you thought me saying TSTBS, implies a scumread on them.

So you contradict two times.
Can you elaborate more on what you mean?

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

[HockeyFan]

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

so does that mean u null read james?

so wait...

we literally came to the same conclusion but with a different approach sorta (me, u and bulge)

and if im understanding this correctly... u liked bulge's response because u understand their logic vs mine?

Yes, which is why i am tring bulge

[HockeyFan]

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

so does that mean u null read james?

so wait...

we literally came to the same conclusion but with a different approach sorta (me, u and bulge)

and if im understanding this correctly... u liked bulge's response because u understand their logic vs mine?

Yes, which is why i am tring bulge

im so confused

omfg what are you confused about. To go over once again everything I've said. James post 40 is NAI, your reading of it was Scum leaning and Bulges analysis of it was Town. There? Also @cows, why do u SR t3

[HockeyFan]

How do you roll scum so often, T3?

Hey VFP, u seem to be SR'ing t3 here, any particular reason?

[HockeyFan]

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

[HockeyFan]

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

[HockeyFan]

How do you roll scum so often, T3?

Hey VFP, u seem to be SR'ing t3 here, any particular reason?

VFP isnt me but i have a post in drafts that explains it, let me try and finish it up in the coming hours

cleaning up prior thoughts and then going to bed
about as ordered as a d1 rainbow can be

beesechurger (wasnt mentioned before but their opening post is more genuine-informative than scum can ever be)
james
hockey
rock
--townreads stop here
bulge
VFP is true null
grandpa
t3

if you need clarification ask

i have it..........

pot deserves stirring. VOTE: GrandpaMo

cows seems to be pushing/Sr'ing T3 more tho

[HockeyFan]

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

cows is pushing me lol and puts me scum wit t3 lol

and its weird that i scum read vfp

wait

my vote pool is literally vfp, t3, and rocky

What is this vote pool lol

[HockeyFan]

cows seems to be pushing/Sr'ing T3 more tho

they are voting me lol ...

didnt know voting someone is "pushing" them. In fact cows even labelled the vote as "stirring" the pot. I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more.

My first Read List

Town:

Bulge

Null:
T3
Cows
James

Weak Scum:

Gpa
VFP

[HockeyFan]

Weak Scum:

Gpa
VFP

u and cows both have me paired with vfp and t3 , the two ppl i wanna vote xD

when did i say u 2 were paired. You both being in my scum list indicates that i think you both are scummy indivually, not in pairs, no need to assume things

I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more.

"drop this convo" proceeds to talk about it right after.

Where?

and i care because you are manipulating the context it was in lol

I really wanst but ok who cares

u say that they have been pushing t3 more but i say because of a vote, that they scumread me more. its no longer rvs -- its you being hypoicrtical where you complained to me about not having a serious vote then proceed to imply that cow's vote isn't serious because they "pushed" t3 more.

No comment, this topic is dumb

you also bring more ad homenim and hostility and attack my vote pool but the people i wanna vote out are the people that you + cows are scumreading

Why is it relevant to this convo who cows is Sr'ing? Me and cows are not the same people. Cows did not call your vote pool bad, I did

so what's wrong with my vote pool?

yea so, just because we have simillar thoughts on VFP doesnt make your vote pool good. I dont agree with your other vote pool in T3/Rocky

i have read you as town but if you keep up with the passive aggressive tone and not thinking before you post and continue to have logical inconsistencies, i might have to vote you here.

[HockeyFan]

So Hockey is probably town.

Oh I just saw this. Intresting, dont know how to feel about TR'ing a person whos pushing u so early

[HockeyFan]

Response to Grandpa's wallpost

Spoiler:

when did i say u 2 were paired. You both being in my scum list indicates that i think you both are scummy indivually, not in pairs, no need to assume things

You had me and VFP in the same scum pool. By paired, if you look at the context, I was referring how you were scumreading the person who I was scumreading as well or had a POE vote on, we are alligned or "paired" in the context of your reads. I still stand by this. Now, bringing up that we could be scumpartners is a different topic and a more hard analysis to hit on, this is where you need to look at day 1 interactions, who townread who, who scumread who, who got pocketed (if scum flip), who was on wagon (if town flip), and etc.

Okay. You could have just misintreprted the context of my reads and thats fine, but I think when I say you 2 are

indivually scummy

, I mean that. Your push on VFP did not have an effect on my VFP read. I will admit it was a bit weird for one of my

indivually scummy

person was pushing the other, but I didnt think of much of it

Where?

I don't know if you are trolling or what, but I clearly explain where. If you want to take look at the full context, this is what you said below.

"didnt know voting someone is "pushing" them. In fact cows even labelled the vote as "stirring" the pot. I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more."

You said I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant, however still decide to say "why do you care who cows is pushing more." right after, it feels like you already knew the answer to this, I don't know why this was a question in the first place. You said you wanted to drop the convo, but bring up a question that goes back to the topic discussed just prior. And you continue this conversation by asking me a question, with an obvious answer.

Alright im sorry but you are nitpicking here. You said I didnt drop the convo because I didnt stop it at that specific word like what? I was going to drop it AFTER that post

I really wanst but ok who cares

You have and continue to do so. Refer to a later quote that I bring up the word manipulative in. You decide not to speak on anything and continue to find ways to ignore my questions for example, this quote here. In post 284, you ask me the question why do you care who cows is pushing more. I give you the answer that you are manipulating the context (either with intention or unintentionally). Then you proceed to say in your defense, "I really wasn't but okay who cares" Basically saying no, then repeating the question by saying "who cares" when I clearly told you "I care" in post 288 . This is another attempt at you manipulating the context for which it is in.

To answer your question, its because I didnt agree with it and your reasoning was smth wack? Like you wanted T3 because they were "pocketing u" and u wanted Rocky because they werent posting anything useful but maybe you could have interacted with them more like "hey rocky what are your reads(this is what u did with T3 but not rocky which is ??)" instead of immediately voting them

No comment, this topic is dumb

This is another attempt at you withholding info -- either in a scum mindset or anti-town mindset regardless. If you feel like the topic is dumb, then explain to me why it is dumb, why to proceed calling it dumb to have nothing to say then invoke a provocative statement that will provoke a reaction? Let's analyze this further. I explain to you how you were being hypocritical, and provide my reasoning, I also explain what you said and how I justify with my concern on what cow's votes mean, specifically the vote on me. I will explain again. A vote is a vote, no longer RVS. In post 293, cows proceeds to say "also, by stirring the pot i mean deliberately taking a side so i can learn more about my poggers top scumreads" -- this implies that their vote was a serious vote and for the reason to know more info about me knowing that I am scum already in their perspective. This contradicts your whole narative.

Its dumb because we are arguing about what another persons intentions were. They can explain it themselves or we can just move on because we arent mind readers all of a sudden. Its weird you tried to accuse me of "withholding info" when I dont have any info on this topic since I cant read cows mind

Why is it relevant to this convo who cows is Sr'ing? Me and cows are not the same people. Cows did not call your vote pool bad, I did

This is probably the only good post you had from this bad wall post.

To answer your question, it is because you started to bring up cows only after I question the votes on T3. You proceed to say "not 3 votes, but 3 people who are pushing, cows, me, and vfp" Then I proceed to say, wrong! Cows is pushing me! Then you respond to two things in my post 277 . You respond the cows statement, and a statement on my vote pool implying it's weird. Then I respond explaining that they are voting me. And you refute. Then I proceed to give you an example with what I said to cows. Then I ask cows for the explanation since you, Hockey, never decide to ask cows and just assume that cows is literally talking about what you are and haven't seen what has been going around with me. (which also points to another point of you being hypocritical, that you called me out for assumption). Then convo ends there because I leave.

So to look at this at the full context, it is relevant to this convo because you had provided a misunderstanding on a narrative that was supporting your scumread on me which is me initially voting T3, then you getting offended with 3 votes on them. Then I explain how cows is voting me and scumread me more due to this so it would only be me and VFP on T3 and cows and you hockey on me. That is why it is relevant because you portray me in a bad and manipulative manner due to this. Also the vote pool thing is completely irrelevant, I don't know why that comment was necessary, however since we are talking about that I do want to touch on that slightly. This brings us to the next quote.

Also, nevermind, this isn't a good quote, reading back it also looked like you cherrypicked a few things.

Cows can have more than 1 push at a time. Also im not being manipvulate, we are just misinterpreting each others posts every single time which means this is probably TVT and I want it to end there because this has been dragged on too long(do not nitpick this saying "omg u talked about this after this EXACT word when u said you were done with it")

yea so, just because we have simillar thoughts on VFP doesnt make your vote pool good. I dont agree with your other vote pool in T3/Rocky

You decide to be surprised with my vote pool but later on agree and admit that we may have similar thoughts on VFP. (post 298). So wouldn't we both be capable to lim VFP here? but disagree with my take on T3/rocky. What's wrong with it? You still haven't answered my question I initially asked in 288. Just because you disagree with my vote pool, that doesn't require an input from you saying "What is this vote pool lol"

You were one of my Sr's at the time so I wanted to get reasoning from u. We could both be capable to lim VFP here but before i wrote this post, idk how I felt about me wanting to vote one of my sr's sr's

I make this a clear point and bring cows into question because, look, cows has me and T3 as scum and you have me and VFP as scum. And my vote pool is T3 and VFP (+ rocky), but the point is what's it being different if cows wanted to lim T3? It just felt like you were using this as another way to find me as "scum" with your passive aggressive tone which I don't understand WHY you would in the first place.

Conclusion:

This post frustrated me, not only because it was so manipulative but because I actually townread you hockey. And having this response from you is weird. I was bias earlier in townreading you because I have played with you and you are a friend, but not all friends are the same allignment. I do now want to think you are scum.

I am null - scumleaning you now. And feel like you still have town equity only if someone else or you can convince me otherwise.

I am playing how I usually as town, I also advise you to stop, and reread the game if you are town. Look at my previous scum games, and my town games see why I say what I say as scum, then come to it from a town perspective, why I say what I say as town. Many newbs, like you, just easily use me as liable scum target day 1 and even town will scumread me because I am usually incomprehendable to newbs on the first time. But you are a good player, hockey, and I don't want you costing a lim because you have confbias as town.

I will unvote for now.

UNVOTE: [/quote]

[HockeyFan]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

I dont understand what the big deal here is? what is so shocking to you about a wagon of 3?

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

[HockeyFan]

:badposting:

man I dont wanna SR you but instead of dismissing my post as "bad", can u tell me what u dont like about it?

[HockeyFan]

Grandpa. vc. Actually though...

Love it when u ignore me.

[HockeyFan]

:badposting:

man I dont wanna SR you but instead of dismissing my post as "bad", can u tell me what u dont like about it?

where did t3 say this

a bit hard to see since its in such tiny font, but very bottom left below his pronouns

[HockeyFan]

im gonna quit being tired and go sleep. zzz
i'll explain scumreads and do a small ISO on hockey for james in like 14 hours

what happend to this D: @cows

[HockeyFan]

im gonna quit being tired and go sleep. zzz
i'll explain scumreads and do a small ISO on hockey for james in like 14 hours

what happend to this D: @cows

i have a 3 hour time limit to make this

do i do it?
im flipping a coin here

Holy shit are u writing like a 7 page essay

[HockeyFan]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

[HockeyFan]

because..... you're not attempting to progress the game?

[HockeyFan]

Who should I lim, Hockey?

Why are u asking me lol, you're one of my SR's atm.

[HockeyFan]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

can you explain why cows is scum?

I already explained it a bit in 335, but basically hes not attempting to progress the game forward atm(which is simillar reason I sr VFP(im aware VFP has a cold, but still)). Also, hes been setting up his readlist for the past 2 days but still haven't given one so that tells me one of 2 things. Either cows is just purposely doing this just to act like hes contributing the game or hes being coached by a mafia partner on what are some good reasons for his SR's. Also i mentioned how I switched cows and u in my reads list(284. So basically cows is now weak scum which I know is not substantial but I think cows does have scum equity here

[HockeyFan]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

can you explain why cows is scum?

I already explained it a bit in 335, but basically hes not attempting to progress the game forward atm(which is simillar reason I sr VFP(im aware VFP has a cold, but still)). Also, hes been setting up his readlist for the past 2 days but still haven't given one so that tells me one of 2 things. Either cows is just purposely doing this just to act like hes contributing the game or hes being coached by a mafia partner on what are some good reasons for his SR's. Also i mentioned how I switched cows and u in my reads list(284. So basically cows is now weak scum which I know is not substantial but I think cows does have scum equity here

i agree. but i dont think you should be ready to scum read 100 percent.

Yea which is why I have cows as weak scum

see with you, you are ready to just flip the tables and assume everything is AI (what i noticed with our interaction and this quote now).

that's why i originally townread you its because you were not hesistant as scum may be and you were willing to show your potential. idk if you are capable of being like that as scum. being as me and u are like the most active in this game, and probably waiting for vfp, beeze, cows, and rocky's future replacement to contribute, eh

alright cool, so I do think u are town now lol

im just waiting to see what happens for the course of events

[HockeyFan]

I'm here. I just recently ate a lobster in a piece of bread. Apparently it's a thing.

Anyways, I need to catch up with this game.

Hi strange, u town this game?

[HockeyFan]

I'm here. I just recently ate a lobster in a piece of bread. Apparently it's a thing.

Anyways, I need to catch up with this game.

Hi strange, u town this game?

Do you really want me to answer this question seriously? Yes, but if you asked almost anyone else here right now, they'd all give the exact same answer as this one.

I'm a bit too tired to post a lot right now, it's pretty late here while catching up. See you all in a couple hours. Ask me anything tomorrow please.

Who said this was a serious question? It was more of a jokey question, dont see why u need this reaction to the question but w/e, i'll wait for your thoughts tmr morning

[HockeyFan]

my two cents on strange's response to 375 is that it gives a good glimpse into their personality
they are here and they are tired of your stinky mind games
its NAI

Yea and theres nothing wrong with that but I was suprised by their gameplay change at the very start of d1 in this game compared to Newbie 2067 where they were a lot more laid back. Now this gameplay change is mostly NAI, but I think there is some town leaningness to that? Maybe its also their scum playstyle since they were town in Newbie 2067 so idk man

[HockeyFan]

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

Wait until you realise how much or little content T3 has provided.

After reading T3's ISO, I do agree with this statement so yea I might like James as town for now

[HockeyFan]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

in this very post I quoted you said "if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already", which is false, because if I think someone is tstbs then I TR them.

We can agree to disagree

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

? how do you expect Day 1 to look if nobody is collaborating on reads or testing out different potential wagons?

There were scummier people at the time

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

Wait until you realise how much or little content T3 has provided.

After reading T3's ISO, I do agree with this statement so yea I might like James as town for now

........because he pointed out that T3 isn't providing content? how does that translate into a townread for you?

Ok i probably should have reworded it a bit better. I tr James here because I liked his new found reasoning for semi-sring T3 so I tr them

[HockeyFan]

most of my posts won't be this long. essays suck!

i think it's a given that T3's game regardless of alignment will be filled with one liners and things that they won't expand on unless asked repeatedly. because of this i disagree with scumreading them for that only (i think some people are,), and it'll be for slightly different reasons

tonally, i think their earlygame looks really odd and something that i'd usually see from someone that doesn't know how to generate the information they need to plow through earlygame. they're just floating by and chucking a few names out, including the mod(?) pet peeve is people doing that [shoutout to james too,] since it's openly denying people information about yourself and who you are willing to align with, which means you likely have something to hide

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

I admit it I'm Jester.
I'm kind of tired rn I'll do stuff tomorrow or llater.

when given the chance to align with people, they churn out stuff like this. it's hard to use stuff like this because it's so ambiguous, which I don't like from anybody

unless a new topic comes up i will talk about the claim for 9 more days

wtf
Someone claimed?
Rollin gtown in newbie games burns the soul.

does this count as LAMIST? you just called yourself a jester, dont make it a point to call out that you're town

i think one point for them is the townread on me. it's built on odd reasoning, but it's reasoning that feels like it comes from a personal perspective, possibly from their own experiences when they were a newb that they're applying. i think scum probably doesn't have an incentive to townread me on such shaky grounds, even if it was weak. i asked bulge about the townread and they didn't care about it, then i asked hockey to elaborate on a comment about it and they said they liked it but disagreed? it might be something that you guys don't care about that much but it's probably the first actually AI thing that's come from them

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

This has entered a whole new dimension of misinterpretation.

this was a comment when hockey V grandpamo was happening. understands that it's a misinterpretation but refuses to take any sort of sides. i guess it's pretty funny cause i thought the same thing, so post might be townier than i think

I don't see how refusing to give AI content is a scumtell.

towniest post award (not joking)

a ton of T3's reads are based on meta and they admit this, so i will not comment without the appropriate reading material (wink wink)
i think their unvote on James is towny,

UNVOTE: James
This is a playstyle difference. I put a lot of stock in meta, you don't care about it so you do weird stuff.

the veiled extra information they have on James i don't mind that much but ill pretend that i have it so I can still call James town
tl;dr T3 looks bad earlygame but has lightened up with towny posts

Do u really think T3's latter posts are "town" enough to make up for the scummier posts above? Cuz I dont think so. They're not *that* town to me. Sure they may not be scummy, but defintely not enough to cancel out his scum logs at the beginning of the game so im curious why u think that?

[HockeyFan]

Do u really think T3's latter posts are "town" enough to make up for the scummier posts above? Cuz I dont think so. They're not *that* town to me. Sure they may not be scummy, but defintely not enough to cancel out his scum logs at the beginning of the game so im curious why u think that?

seems rather PRESUMPTUOUS that you think that i think T3's later logs excuse his earlier posts

your tldr of that post was litreally "T3 looks bad earlygame but has lightened up with towny posts"

but they do, because the beginning logs only show an unwillingness to contribute. you seem to think that the logs i showed later are only moderately town, but know that T3's beginning logs are only moderately scummy and so your scumlean doesn't make too much sense, unless you put a lot of weight into scum logs (do you?)

You're just making up stuff now. Never said they were only moderately scummy, but u are right that I do put some weight into scum logs

T3 probably just hates the random voting stage or something

[HockeyFan]

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

in this very post I quoted you said "if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already", which is false, because if I think someone is tstbs then I TR them.

We can agree to disagree

bruhhh what lmao. we literally cannot. I'm trying to explain to you the meaning of the term TSTBS because you have it backwards. if somebody says someone is TSTBS it means they are townreading them.

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

? how do you expect Day 1 to look if nobody is collaborating on reads or testing out different potential wagons?

There were scummier people at the time

ok, such as who?

VFP, Grandpa(Once again, this is about AT THE TIME t3 was gaining 3 votes/being pressued by 3 ppl early where I was Sring Gpa).
I was sring VFP cuz they werent very comittal and I did not like thier vote on T3. As for GPA, well, u can go read back the interaction between me and him

[HockeyFan]

anyone wanna explain rocky's fixation on james

I don't understand what you're looking for here exactly?

in more general terms: does anyone have any thoughts about rock's interactions with people? I dont believe any comments have been made about their general content

Rocky isnt even in the game anymore, what is the point about finding this out/saying this? To answer your question,Rocky mainly observed that certain ppl were moving the game forward(162). They didnt have much hard pushes and basically had no Sr's. The only thign i can find is a light TR on james based on his 104 (117,164)

[HockeyFan]

I forgot to mention this in the above post but @cows, why didnt u do this yourself? legit took like a 30 sec look at Rocky's ISO

[HockeyFan]

I forgot to mention this in the above post but @cows, why didnt u do this yourself? legit took like a 30 sec look at Rocky's ISO

what makes you think I haven't?
im not asking people to do stuff for me, its been multiple days and I hope its established that I will call attention to things i find interesting

well u said "in more general terms: does anyone have any thoughts about rock's interactions with people?" Regardless this convo is useless/bad since Rocky only had 15 posts and they're not in-game anymore

[HockeyFan]

hm. so its more like this.

I am thinking about this pool:

[VFP, rockey, StrangeMatter]

I like this vote pool

or the other subgroup of

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I think this one consists of 3 town tbh

I feel like those 3 of hockey, cows, bulge there is one PR, one scum, and one VT.

Why even say this?? u could have just said "i think 1 scum lies in here" not give PR ideas to mafia smh

And the other scum lies within the first group.

I won't explain why those groups are combined just yet.

[HockeyFan]

Cows probably town.
We should lim T3.

Well I'm not scum.

VOTE: T3
I will go here though.

can i get some posts that ping you? even if it's just gut

@VFP, u have an answer?

[HockeyFan]

Everything in his ISO

fair enough

[HockeyFan]

Why even say this?? u could have just said "i think 1 scum lies in here" not give PR ideas to mafia smh

i dont even think yall are prs lmfao

im just tryan confuse mafia

[HockeyFan]

Man I'm 10 minutes late I suck

Alright once you're done reading the game, can you please give some thoughts becuz u've given 0 so far

[HockeyFan]

Man I'm 10 minutes late I suck

I can still lim this slot. Depending if Theres a replacement of course...

Why would u want to lim someone who basically hasn't spoken yet

[HockeyFan]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer
vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

You have yet to explain why my scumread on rocky is bad.

Can you explain why fluff content is good for town? Also can you explain when strangematter replaced in, their reaction was horrible in regarding to hockey?

Are you able to reevualate and see strangematter as scum or nah, they still town in ur eyes?

your case consists blaming them for fluffposting for exactly one (1) day then using the next day to get out of the RVS phase (their vote on you was a meme, and they explained why you look good enough to unvote)
none of that is unorthrodox or scummy, even by d1 standards
i think anyone, given the chance to look at each of our opening posts can agree that rocky looks the most natural, too

and zzz grandpa the middle line is stuff only you believe/strawmen (puke,) but i'll answer it the best i can
fluff content is normal for both alignments, especially that early into the game. they're good for town because if it's funny then you get townread by cows
their reaction wasn't horrible, from what i read of them (i read hockey's pizza newbie game) i never really thought of them as particularly cordial
i reevaluated basically everything strange has to offer, i think the rep hasn't done anything alignment indicative and that the slot itself is a townlean


basicially i'm more interested in what you guys have to say about strange than strange

I know u didnt ask me but i have a slight TL on strange here becuz compared to Newbie 2067, they are much more agressive. Sure their answer to my first question was bad, but i dont think it offsets the TL that much

[HockeyFan]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer
vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

You have yet to explain why my scumread on rocky is bad.

Can you explain why fluff content is good for town? Also can you explain when strangematter replaced in, their reaction was horrible in regarding to hockey?

Are you able to reevualate and see strangematter as scum or nah, they still town in ur eyes?

your case consists blaming them for fluffposting for exactly one (1) day then using the next day to get out of the RVS phase (their vote on you was a meme, and they explained why you look good enough to unvote)
none of that is unorthrodox or scummy, even by d1 standards
i think anyone, given the chance to look at each of our opening posts can agree that rocky looks the most natural, too

and zzz grandpa the middle line is stuff only you believe/strawmen (puke,) but i'll answer it the best i can
fluff content is normal for both alignments, especially that early into the game. they're good for town because if it's funny then you get townread by cows
their reaction wasn't horrible, from what i read of them (i read hockey's pizza newbie game) i never really thought of them as particularly cordial
i reevaluated basically everything strange has to offer, i think the rep hasn't done anything alignment indicative and that the slot itself is a townlean


basicially i'm more interested in what you guys have to say about strange than strange

I know u didnt ask me but i have a slight TL on strange here becuz compared to Newbie 2067, they are much more agressive. Sure their answer to my first question was bad, but i dont think it offsets the TL that much

This does not sound in the slightest way genuine, 7 posts, the first 3 are fluff to do with sandwiches, 3 are just clarification posts, and the other 1 is barely pushing anything. I really am tempted to go back to voting you now.

This is better than Newbie 2067 where they did this much pretty much all of d1. Im aware that this is merely a meta read but atm, they havent done anything scummy either. My "TL" on them can change based on thier next few posts, so yea tbh this isnt a conclusive read

[HockeyFan]

can we just get a flip already lol

still have 3 days and we dont have a USR yet, dont rush

[HockeyFan]

lol james being here just reminded me

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

if you guys actually are gonna enjoy the weekend, can we get a condemn pool first? i think letting those thoughts out to dry, PUBLICALLY. is best for town to prevent a rushed elimination

for example, i likely wont budge on strange's slot or grandpa today. beese too is absolutely one of the worst condemns
a vote on james requires a lot of negotiation
hockey is a wildcard and i still haven't checked their ISO and evaluated their content

this leaves {bulge, VFP. T3, maybe hockey} which at a first glance doesn't feel particularly right

VFP's playstyle makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective, so i might pass on that one too

disagree

expect a lot of poking around with these people

@cows, why do u SR bulge, i actually think they're quite town

[HockeyFan]

@cows, why do u SR bulge, i actually think they're quite town

the people i listed above the condemn pool are people i'd actually defend if people came rallying against them
i don't feel the same about bulge yet, but they are null
i don't have dirt on bulge (i can talk about how their reads are different from my awesome towny POV reads lol) but i can't pick out things that are super town either

are you able to towncase them?

Sure! My TR on Bulge is mainly because of their tone, i think their tone is mainly town. Posts such as 141,301,484 are town. Furthermore, thier whole interaction of the "tsbts" thing wasnt scummy at all, and a slight TL based on that. They have progressed their reads as the game went on(althought they havent made a full reads list yet, their reads are pretty clear rn). So basically thats why I think they're town

VFP's playstyle makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective, so i might pass on that one too

I disagree. it might not be a Good way of playing scum, but we can't discount theories in the realm of, for example, what if vfp hates playing scum, has realized people in the newbie queue are unlikely to actually pile on against inactivity/noncontribution, and so decides to go with the easier playstyle for peace of mind? I'm talking out of my ass a little here, I only have 1 game with vfp, but my point is that in general, those kinds of possibilities and other irl factors should never be

completely

written off.

i was thinking less of the active lurking and more of the awkward, almost opportunistic attacks and vague cases (no offense)

Why do u think scum cant pull this off

[HockeyFan]

i'm sure they can, but i guess it's the same reason i attribute anti-town actions to town: scum has no incentive to do them if there's way more effective ways of carrying out something

Scum do infact have an incentive to be "anti-town" so ppl can just go them calling "omg they're tstbs"(which is basically what you're doing rn)

[HockeyFan]

i'm sure they can, but i guess it's the same reason i attribute anti-town actions to town: scum has no incentive to do them if there's way more effective ways of carrying out something

Scum do infact have an incentive to be "anti-town" so ppl can just go them calling "omg they're tstbs"(which is basically what you're doing rn)

is VFP a powerwolf, hockey?

havent seen their scum games, so idk, but if you'e talking about this game, yes probably they are(I really hope im not misinterpreting what powerwolf means kek)

[HockeyFan]

@hockey do u think cows could be paired with vfp lol

Yea i can see it, i dont like cows dismissing VFP's play rn as "something scum wouldn't do"

Also @Strange, do u have any reads rn?

[HockeyFan]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I didn't see it

maybe because of the 60 line walls

T3 why do u TR cows

[HockeyFan]

StrangeMatter has requested replacement...searching.

bruh wtf this game is cursed lol. Cows, can u push someone pls so I can TR your push because i need more ppl to TR

[HockeyFan]

@James and @VFP, its not coming home

[HockeyFan]

StrangeMatter has requested replacement...searching.

bruh wtf this game is cursed lol. Cows, can u push someone pls so I can TR your push because i need more ppl to TR

question
are you townreading yourself right now

no, ofc not, I think im scum. but like cows cmon, what kind of question is that

[HockeyFan]

StrangeMatter has requested replacement...searching.

bruh wtf this game is cursed lol. Cows, can u push someone pls so I can TR your push because i need more ppl to TR

question
are you townreading yourself right now

no, ofc not, I think im scum. but like cows cmon, what kind of question is that

you just StrangeMatter'd me
are you mad at me right now

no but u didnt do what I wanted u to do smh(aka push someone)

[HockeyFan]

no but u didnt do what I wanted u to do smh(aka push someone)

watch this power play

VOTE: Hockeyfan

you are the imposter from among us and i just saw you VENT in electrical...... what say you?

yay i got an excuse to TR myself

[HockeyFan]

ok im actually laughing right now
i just got StrangeMatter'd by hockeyfan of all people

you're so evil man

[HockeyFan]

'Do you really want me to answer this question seriously? Yes, but if you asked almost anyone else here right now, they'd all give the exact same answer as this one.'
'no, ofc not, I think im scum. but like cows cmon, what kind of question is that'

im coining the term now and there's nothing you can do about it

ill flip both of you as part of my wicked experiment to figure out which way it leans

okay but the difference is, that question was not meant to be game-related since it was the first post about strange, I just wanted to get their tonal reaction/vibes, where u on the hand have asked this question 22 pages into the game and right after I told u to push someone

[HockeyFan]

Hi Clasko

[HockeyFan]

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I didn't see it

maybe because of the 60 line walls

T3 why do u TR cows

Honestly just vibes and an earlier towny post.

Intresting.


Also wtf im still voting Grandpa?
UNVOTE:

[HockeyFan]

sorry, im feeling pretty checked out of this game atm, would love some flips to work with.

can someone who has been TRing james explain why? is it meta?

Uh its mainly becuz of 404(this is my reasoning). their tone is decently town atm and they havent done anything scummy

[HockeyFan]

man cows, why do i have to have the same TR as u

[HockeyFan]

hi clasko!

'Do you really want me to answer this question seriously? Yes, but if you asked almost anyone else here right now, they'd all give the exact same answer as this one.'
'no, ofc not, I think im scum. but like cows cmon, what kind of question is that'

im coining the term now and there's nothing you can do about it

ill flip both of you as part of my wicked experiment to figure out which way it leans

okay but the difference is, that question was not meant to be game-related since it was the first post about strange, I just wanted to get their tonal reaction/vibes, where u on the hand have asked this question 22 pages into the game and right after I told u to push someone

i'm struggling to see your point
is your point that my question was so misplaced that you HAD to StrangeMatter it?

yes.

Hey guys!

It's 00:25AM here rn, so I hope you all don't mind if I catch up tomorrow?

Sure

[HockeyFan]

pressure complete, returning to shadows

UNVOTE: HockeyFan

I am so tempeted to omgus u for pillow pushing me and then just taking off all the gas like what? I dont understand your read on me

[HockeyFan]

pressure complete, returning to shadows

UNVOTE: HockeyFan

I am so tempeted to omgus u for pillow pushing me and then just taking off all the gas like what? I dont understand your read on me

hockey

in the reality that you didn't OMGUS me in you got mad at yourself because of all of the INFORMATION you missed out on
do not resist the urge
pillow push me back

my read is that i have no read until you make the decision

I still think the cows/VFP pair exists btw

[HockeyFan]

what a spooky stalemate
cant wait until clasko comes back with the goods

The majority aren't voting. This stalemate is from all of you folk which don't want to vote for absolutely no reason.

Alright, i'll vote.

I think this is a good vote

VOTE: cows

[HockeyFan]

what a spooky stalemate
cant wait until clasko comes back with the goods

The majority aren't voting. This stalemate is from all of you folk which don't want to vote for absolutely no reason.

Alright, i'll vote.

I think this is a good vote

VOTE: cows

i ask you to pillow push me and you do nothing, then james comes along and says a general statement and you're like "what an opportunity"
it hurts so much

smh i was sring u before james said that. As for the whole pillow pushing thing, idk, I had already presented my case on u kek

[HockeyFan]

Hi Looker

[HockeyFan]

I had a look through the bracketed 4 in more depth.
Mo hasn't voted for the longest duration, which is weird but the game is slow I guess, I don't think he's scum here.
cowsloveSushirolls is being sporadic, it is really hard to tell if it scummy or townie for me.
The Bulge is a lurker/coaster. Along with the not voting and reasoning I think there's a good chance he's scum.
StrangeMatter is scum, they've had 160 odd posts and haven't even contributed a read yet, weird. They comment on their opinions of Lurkers whilst lurking/coasting, without giving names or being cued. I'll tell you why this is scummy. This is kind of the opposite of bussing. With bussing you want to get your own scum member pressured, and you want to seem as town like by being the main person pushing the wagon. In this case, they don't want to name any actual lurker, so when a town flips, they weren't pushing the wagon and would garner no suspicion.

I'm confident the 2 scum are in [T3, The Bulge, Looker].
It's unfortunate StrangeMatter got replaced when I noticed this, so I'm not going to push Looker too hard as they can't explain everything behind a predecesor. I'm not hammering anyone outside of these 3 D1.

I like this from james, james town for d1 althought thier POE is a bit wack

Sorry - to quote the bangles, it's just another manic monday.

Will read up now and provide reads/thoughts very soon. (:

Hello looker~

this is a very specific entrance. why the greetings to looker and not to us where you have replaced as well?

ignoring 564 pfft

Look looker, I know you rolled scum. Please confess?

pressure complete, returning to shadows

UNVOTE: HockeyFan

I am so tempeted to omgus u for pillow pushing me and then just taking off all the gas like what? I dont understand your read on me

hockey

in the reality that you didn't OMGUS me in you got mad at yourself because of all of the INFORMATION you missed out on
do not resist the urge
pillow push me back

my read is that i have no read until you make the decision

I still think the cows/VFP pair exists btw

imagine scumreading me in the beginning then proceed to sheep me at eod, classic hockey

Not everything I do has to be based on your reads smh

i'm sure they can, but i guess it's the same reason i attribute anti-town actions to town: scum has no incentive to do them if there's way more effective ways of carrying out something

Scum do infact have an incentive to be "anti-town" so ppl can just go them calling "omg they're tstbs"(which is basically what you're doing rn)

rolling around in my head right now

as far as i know only 2 people have used TBTBS right now in order to support a read: me and grandpamo

i don't think people saying that is as common as you think, if i remember correctly 2 people have been against using those sort of reads (you and bulge) which means we are evenly matched. i don't think this is actually the case and there's a lot more people that don't use TBTBS than do

sure the lurking part of VFP's play is likely to be excused by newbies, but the general reaction of a newbie i'd think when subjected to their again, kinda vague cases would be frustration and also puzzlement
so, why deliberately try it, when they haven't played like this before (presumably)?

This just confused me more tbh.

[HockeyFan]

will probs re read game tmr to get a better grasp but I like where I am rn

[HockeyFan]

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

i could see town T3 wanting to survive if they had a certain role, wink wink
but if you think about it, this is really the only vote they can make (other than HockeyFan)
they townread everyone else, or the possible eliminations are replacements that we get very little information out of

aside from people who may want to pivot their vote, their intentions as scum may be to appeal to the non-voters
im going to do entry-level analysis for this so that i dont give scum ideas :^)

a VFP vote would interest Bulge, but not really me given the reactions of others
a HockeyFan vote would eventually interest me, but not really Bulge as they've expressed a townlean on them
besides us, the other non-voters are the replacements. they are wildcards who as far as i know, have not played with anyone here

in a vacuum with just this info, i think scum T3 and town T3 are the same, but i just remembered that i unvoted right after T3 voted hockeyfan, which seemed to have prompted a pivot onto VFP

last note: i find it quite opportunistic that T3 operating under thread consensus and not explicitly their own beliefs

can i hear more about what you think about hockeyfan, T3?

I am struggling to find what your actual read on T3 is.

[HockeyFan]

uhhh now that bulge is gone and their slot is basically ineliminable today, i think i can lim anyone in my pool right now and be kinda happy with the sheer INFORMATION it brings
this won't mean that I'll stop trying to find the best condemn, though

what was your pool again?

[HockeyFan]

okay tbh I just re-read cows iso and maybe I was sr'ing because on conf bias. They have different reads then me on diff ppl. Everything up to 137 was straight fluff imo. But after 138-now, they've progressed the game forward which is a +. I still dont agree with most of thier reads but they may be town

[HockeyFan]

tl;dr:

James
Cows
---
Hockey
VFP
T3
---
Grandpa
Looker
The Bulge

That's where I'm at rn.

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind. Idk if you didnt quite see cows's soft defending of VFP in the last few posts(479,503) Partially 51. So yea I do think cows hasn't necessarily hard defended VFP but certainly discredited the VFP push(that both me and Gpa made). It has indeed died down, and idk if thats cuz of Gpa's inactivity but just a thing to point out. You're putting too much stock into meta in your T3 read imo. Like this game specifically sure he has done smth, but any other person would be called scum by the way hes playing. Also can u explain to me how Bulge "not looking anywhere else" is scum? This game has had like 10 replacements so i really dont think thats an issue.

I do like where u've put James tho so no complaints there.

This entire readslist/reads is null/TL for me atm since they are trying to explain their thought process behind them

[HockeyFan]

And HockeyFan is town from the first page and it's not even close.

first time someone has Tr'd me so quickly

GrandpaMO and Rocky have town equity for their exchange on Page 4.

uh? what part of this interacton is town? Legit all that happend on page 3 is Rocky put a RVS vote on Gpa

[HockeyFan]

And HockeyFan is town from the first page and it's not even close.

first time someone has Tr'd me so quickly

GrandpaMO and Rocky have town equity for their exchange on Page 4.

uh? what part of this interacton is town? Legit all that happend on page 3 is Rocky put a RVS vote on Gpa

The vote was town and the reaction was town.

what? Rocky's first vote of the game is NAI at best. Also how mcuh stock are u putting in this. Do u still TR both slots of rocky/gpa on page 28?

[HockeyFan]

And HockeyFan is town from the first page and it's not even close.

first time someone has Tr'd me so quickly

GrandpaMO and Rocky have town equity for their exchange on Page 4.

uh? what part of this interacton is town? Legit all that happend on page 3 is Rocky put a RVS vote on Gpa

The vote was town and the reaction was town.

what? Rocky's first vote of the game is NAI at best. Also how mcuh stock are u putting in this. Do u still TR both slots of rocky/gpa on page 28?

[HockeyFan]

oops mb that send twice

[HockeyFan]

T3, what are u doing. You are attempting to read someone based off of meta alone. Why not do this wiith some of the other game? Why is LLD an exception?

[HockeyFan]

T3, what are u doing. You are attempting to read someone based off of meta alone. Why not do this wiith some of the other game? Why is LLD an exception?

Because T3 is scum!

pog vfp good read

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind.

ok pog u scumread me in the beginning, decide to sheep me, then now you wanna vote me

k cool

Gpa we've been over this. Just because i had similar reads to u does not mean i was sheeping u. My reads had no influence based off of your reads

[HockeyFan]

So, first of all, hello. Secondly, I think I'm ok with a T3 vs VFP. I agree that the lack of votes is weird, and I can see it as a stall tactic. I'm also trying to decipher which posts are flail and which posts are attention-seeking for the sake of entertainment. What do you think?

VOTE: VFP

I think you should have reads on more players then just the 2 being pushed rn(if you're still reading up, thats fine)

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind. Idk if you didnt quite see cows's soft defending of VFP in the last few posts(479,503) Partially 51.

To each their own. It just jumped out to me as a possibility.
You SR'ed Grandpa at time of argument, in 368 you say you think they're town, now you're fine with a potential vote on them - what's your case for them rn?

I mainly tr'd them so I wouldnt be tunneling them forever. I still think they're null to weak scum but leaning more null rn

I am a T3 meta expert.
T3 is scum!

omg VFP u gonna talk about anything other than t3??

Also regarding this whole VFP/T3 thing thats happneing rn, I think we should shift away a little from it since atm 80% of the players think one of them is scum so if they're both town, uhh we're kinda fucked

[HockeyFan]

I only flail as scum

outing as scum bet

Looker doesn't exist.
VFP is a consensus scumread.
LLD is kind of weirdly null.
cows is probably town.
hockey scum.
Grandpa and James I will not disclose.

[HockeyFan]

nvm I think I have to vote one of t3/vfp now that we're close to deadline. I havent got a good read on the ppl that've replaced in, and everyone else hasnt done anythign scummy. i could vote gpa, but I think condemming one of T3/Vfp gets us some info.

Out of the 2, I think VFP is more scummy for only tunneling on T3 basically this entire game

VOTE: VFP

[HockeyFan]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

[HockeyFan]

hockey, huuuuuuuuuh

that actually can't be your conclusion from this

how is instigating a tunnel d1 scum

because who tunnels of 80% of d1 on 1 player smh

uhhhhhhhhh jeteon? is this a trick question :^)

cows, this is the third time, u have attempted to discredit my push on VFP becasue of "wHy wOuLd sCuM dO tHis/how is that scum". I think cows flips red if VFP is red

VFP has literally done nothing except make an unexplained and bad meta case against me.

you haven't either, which is explicitly why i haven't voted yet

VFP, real talk
i need more content like this

T3 is just trying to survive here rather than scum hunt.
Thats not what town T3 does.

but the majority of the content is this

Well I'm not scum.

VOTE: T3
I will go here though.

can i get some posts that ping you? even if it's just gut

Everything in his ISO

--

Your scum side is showing, T3!

James/VFP scumteam? i dig it

Buldge / T3 scum team?
I dig it.

Stop trying to bus VFP

[HockeyFan]

Stop trying to bus VFP

your push sux + VFP's push sux but i think T3 is scum + you're projecting

having a bad push > having no push fite me.

Also if u think T3 is scum, push it more

[HockeyFan]

Can we get a list of the people who want to hammer scum T3 or town VFP?

I want to hammer T3.

I think u made a typo, should be

scum

VFP

[HockeyFan]

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

FTR, at 1 point in a time, I didnt want to condemm any of these but since we're so close to deadline, I think we just condemm in those 2. I am also down to pivot to T3 if I have to

[HockeyFan]

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

FTR, at 1 point in a time, I didnt want to condemm any of these but since we're so close to deadline, I think we just condemm in those 2. I am also down to pivot to T3 if I have to

singlehandedly the best pair to condemn from

sooooo which one are you gonna bus?

[HockeyFan]

Regarding this whole T3 whole crumb thing, the actual crumb isnt scummy but SOLELY using that to towncase yourself is scummy. T3 has been like "oh look i fake breadcrumbed doctor, im town". James not budging and continuing to push T3 which gives me more reason to TR james

[HockeyFan]

ok lol this interaction makes me wanna say something...

tldr; t3 + james are both tvt, if i had to choose at least 1 scum between james is the vote.

but nah nor t3 or james are scum here. ill explain when i get back from work, i think i will have time around 10:30 pm est, oh thats like 1 hour before deadline

hmmm.

im not moving my move honestly.

i dont think scum!t3 claims vt here after crumbing doc. i do confirm that t3 was crumbing to me. and was crumbing to james as an inside joke referring to "vc" which is something i did last game we were together.

i think t3 would just claim doc, there is no reason for scum!t3 to claim vt unless using it for wifom.

james not understanding this, is very weird. i actually do now think there is scum between vfp + james if t3 flips town.

i would actually vote vfp instead of james because of something which i wont disclose yet

i will post more game analysis when i come back but i have to go!!!

t3 is town!!!!

u directly contradict yourself(u called the t3vJames interaction tVt just to say james could be scum 1 post later). Also, u said "think there is scum between vfp + james if t3 flips town" yk u dont have to flip t3 becausse VFP can still get condemmed so is this setting up a mis-lim tmr because u know t3 flips town? James rightfully pointed that out that "i wont disclose yet" is not a towny thing to do

Overall, I dont like these 2 posts very much, but I think i still vote VFP tdy unless somethign changes in the next few hours

[HockeyFan]

can i know who else will be here at deadline

Me

[HockeyFan]

I think there's some chance, we'll end up on a 4 TF 4 VFP and 1 other vote and get a no elim.

if absolutely needed i'll swap to VFP to avoid a no lim. i'll be here until deadline

T3 is much less than scummier than VFP imo and u should do that swap rn

[HockeyFan]

wait actually i take that back, not "much less" but, i sr VFP a lil more

[HockeyFan]

Are you trying to chain up mis lims?

No? I will re-eval on T3 d2 cuz i really need to re-read more of what tf hes doing(he has not done anythign towny)

[HockeyFan]

mostly because there are waaaay better candidates for tomorrow, i swear

like u right?

[HockeyFan]

What makes T3 on your radar as scum right now?

he has not done anythign towny. Also fwiw, the whole T3/VFP thing is only something i am going to pay attention on d1 most likely. I said in 719 that i think town should shift away from it a bit but since no one budged, i got back on it as we got closer to deadline. Stop assuming that I am going to sus ONLY these 2 the whole gmae

[HockeyFan]

What makes T3 on your radar as scum right now?

he has not done anythign towny. Also fwiw, the whole T3/VFP thing is only something i am going to pay attention on d1 most likely. I said in 719 that i think town should shift away from it a bit but since no one budged, i got back on it as we got closer to deadline. Stop assuming that I am going to sus ONLY these 2 the whole gmae

If I give some names, can you tell me what these players have done that is towny? And where the bar is currently at?

Looker
Grampa
LLD
Clasko

Any order is fine.

From

most

town to

least

town

Clakso- Really Really liked thier entrenacne,reads and the reasoning behind it e.t.c
LLD- Dont have a good read on this slot, but I think the confidence she showed right at the beginning is +town
Grampa- weirdly enough, their whole interaction/tunnel with me is town
Looker- cant get a read on this slot - null

And just as a reminder, anyone who is "null" to me is STILL higher than scum on my reads list. For example- Looker/LLD/somewhat Grandpa are probs on my null list but LLD/Grandpa HAVE done towny things which is why they're not on my scum list

Also, i will be gone for about the next hour, so sorry if i dont respond to u quickly

[HockeyFan]

What makes T3 on your radar as scum right now?

he has not done anythign towny. Also fwiw, the whole T3/VFP thing is only something i am going to pay attention on d1 most likely. I said in 719 that i think town should shift away from it a bit but since no one budged, i got back on it as we got closer to deadline. Stop assuming that I am going to sus ONLY these 2 the whole gmae

If I give some names, can you tell me what these players have done that is towny? And where the bar is currently at?

Looker
Grampa
LLD
Clasko

Any order is fine.

From

most

town to

least

town

Clakso- Really Really liked thier entrenacne,reads and the reasoning behind it e.t.c
LLD- Dont have a good read on this slot, but I think the confidence she showed right at the beginning is +town
Grampa- weirdly enough, their whole interaction/tunnel with me is town
Looker- cant get a read on this slot - null

And just as a reminder, anyone who is "null" to me is STILL higher than scum on my reads list. For example- Looker/LLD/somewhat Grandpa are probs on my null list but LLD/Grandpa HAVE done towny things which is why they're not on my scum list

Also, i will be gone for about the next hour, so sorry if i dont respond to u quickly

This is such a generic response that you're just missing "gut". Your argument was T3 hasn't done anything that is town. Wouldn't that put T3 as null rather than just a little less scummy than me?
Let's start with each.

Clakso, which reads in particular? Why is this the most basic reasoning but yet the most town read to you?

650,655,656. Thier reasoning offerd a differrent perspective on these ppl specfially which once again, I dont think scum does(they would just lazily sheep the available reasoning and play it off)

LLD - Why can't scum be confident? What has LLD done for you that is town, considering that confidence isn't a town tell and you have advised that LLD has done something as town.

Ok well I think scum can be confident but town are usually more confident early game after seeing their role

Grampa - why is their tunnel on you town? What posts from the interaction are you liking as town? What has Grampa done that is town? Pushed you?

Because they could have continued their tunnel but they back off which i dont think scum!grampa does. For exmaple lets take 305. They basically defended themselves alot and towards the end of the psot called me town which i dont think scum does(just drop the push after writing a big ass essay). note that they don't attempt to SR/tunnel me a single time after

Looker - whats the difference with Looker and T3?

T3 has way more posts

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

more of the fact that i think town gets mroe info for liming VFP/T3

VFP scum- cows scum
VFP town- probs James scum?
T3 town- Gpa scum
T3 maf- Not sure yet

[HockeyFan]

Eh sure, I'll sheep the consensus. Some of my read's based on the claim anyway:

VOTE: JamesTheNames

(1): Claskjo

*rolls eyes*

That's E-1.

what about the claim is "scummy"

[HockeyFan]

Unless James wakes up to get a 3 AM snack and develops ESP and realizes he's being wagoned I think whoever is online has to hamer him if we are to avoid a no lim.

oh do u have to hammer for vote to go through? i thought maj vote gets limmed

[HockeyFan]

okay we have 1 hour til deadline, can the ppl who are voting james vote one of vfp/t3(preferably VFP) cuz that gives us alot more info @clasko, @LLD

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

more of the fact that i think town gets mroe info for liming VFP/T3

VFP scum- cows scum
VFP town- probs James scum?
T3 town- Gpa scum
T3 maf- Not sure yet

You're drawing pre-flip conclusions with a lot of things that I'm not hyper sure I agree with, especially without a scum nightkill to look at as well.

We vote the scummiest individual player, and not any chainings.

yea i get that but I just dont see why James is scum

[HockeyFan]

Also, I really dont want this James lim but I will vote it if I have to

You're my strongest town read, so if you wanna convince this not to happen it'll need to flow through me anyway.

Why don't you like it?

more of the fact that i think town gets mroe info for liming VFP/T3

VFP scum- cows scum
VFP town- probs James scum?
T3 town- Gpa scum
T3 maf- Not sure yet

You're drawing pre-flip conclusions with a lot of things that I'm not hyper sure I agree with, especially without a scum nightkill to look at as well.

We vote the scummiest individual player, and not any chainings.

yea i get that but I just dont see why James is scum

so then why is he town?

because i dont see why hes scum? and i think one of t3/VFP

is

scum

[HockeyFan]

ok well, its 10 mins from deadline, I hammer

we're not getting a VFP/t3 wagon

VOTE: James

[HockeyFan]

cowsloveSushirolls died last night. He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

gone

[HockeyFan]

Here are just some thoughts for me at start of d2

Grandpa- Honestly dont know how to read this slot. They have super towny logs(428,453,620)(after the tunnel on me but even then that was sorta town but I think this is something they can pull off as mafia so im paranoid of putting them as my top town atm

VFP- once VFP actually started making content, he was pre town. I am pretty hesitant to TR them since their push was *me* and I didnt really like it. This is ofc bias since it was against me, but yea i can put this slot in null/weak town

T3- still have no clue what this guy is doing but I think hes scum(mainly gut). I still think theres 1 scum between T3/VFP and we should have limmed one of them yday

Clakso- Town

LLD- Maybe I was town reading them just cuz they talked confidently, idk

Looker- Have no read

Lets pressure Looker

VOTE: Looker

[HockeyFan]

Today is the day for a mass claim, btw. We're in a 5:2 situation, and we have 2 confirmed townies we can create, with a possible better outcome depending on roles.

So we need to organize a popcorn claiming list. We pick the scummiest person, and then make them claim, then, they tell someone else to claim, and we go down the list. This way, it makes counter claims a little harder to fake too.

I also think, for the immediate moment in the claim order, you shouldn't claim your ROLE, just whether you are a Vanilla Townie or a Power Role.

If we have any counter claiming, we can use that to try and catch people, but if we don't, we don't reveal what power is where to the scum.

Anyone disagree with this?

I dont hate it, and we should probs do this but maybe mid d2 would be better

[HockeyFan]

You're not supposed to say a vote is for pressure unless you're trying to keep people from criticizing your lack of justification. What's your proposed list, Lambda?

im looking to get info from you from voting u(now it was mb calling it a "pressure" vote, I could have probs just not have voted u but eh) because As i mentioned I do not have a read on u. I dont have a Sr on u

[HockeyFan]

The cow choked to death on a sushiroll.

only maf know the cause of death!! sus

[HockeyFan]

kay i guess i'll claim next, I am VT.

[HockeyFan]

i want Looker to claim

[HockeyFan]

ok im glad I wasnt pushing a PR

[HockeyFan]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

[HockeyFan]

Clasko - Conftown
Grandpa - Townread

Everyone else: everyone else

VFP's switch at the end of yesterday I is towny.

Ffs, why do I actually like this post from T3. is t3 actually town? What a world.

What can I say?

My PoE is Looker, you, and maybe LLD?
But because you're pushing looker you're probably not aligned.

I like it but I feel like we're both wrong on Tr'ing Gpa, but i am confident tring gpa for d2. so yeah we can pre much just lim Looker rn unless he becomes towny

[HockeyFan]

Looker and T3(This slot has become townier but still within my top 2 scum)

[HockeyFan]

hockey how do you play as scum? do you bus?

Sorry cant say. but uh its pretty much I either bus hard or I hard allign. I know this is all WIFOM, but take that as u will.

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

Wait why T3 and Hockey?

Because why DID Hockey just give up yesterday when he opposed my James push over his own? It would have been simple enough. And now, coming into today, something is fucking funky about T3 and Hockey's interactions.

what does this mean @LLD?

[HockeyFan]

Sorry cant say. but uh its pretty much I either bus hard or I hard allign. I know this is all WIFOM, but take that as u will.

okay then tell me why you are town then

I dont push that hard on my scum partner most of d1(ik i voted VFP but still eh). Also, I dont think me tunneling u is me as mafia. I will admit some of the posts I made during the interaction were scummy but why would I continue to push u and bring more attention to myself.

Looker and T3(This slot has become townier but still within my top 2 scum)

T3 is now voting with you, anything to say regarding that?...

It doesnt change anything. LLD asked me who are the top 2 indivually scummy people(ppl i want to lim today). This does not mean they are PAIRED. Im just saying, T3 and Looker are my mafia reads and people and I want to lim(now that t3 is outed as mafia I MAY re-eval on looker, but no guarantees)

Up to you, but I prefer outing now.

I don't have the result. Clasko does.

I have a guilty result on T3 - he is

confirmed

Mafia.

Lets gooo

So, now we can speculate as to who his partner is!

[HockeyFan]

The bigger concern for me Hockey is you voted VFP and James Day 1 while pushing the "one of T3/VFP is scum" narrative.

It feels a lot like you were on conveniently wrong targets when an obviously right one was sitting there in punching distance of your reads.

yea because imo T3 wasnt doing scummy things(sure he didnt do anything towny), but VFP was doing some scummy things(just putting out reads there without much reasoning(this was start of d1-mid d1). I also entertainted the idea of a VFP/cows pair too so eh. U can say im scummy for not pushing T3 harder, but VFP was scummier

[HockeyFan]

I feel like... we have 7 left right?

What really interests me is why Hockey stopped going for VFP over T3. VFP was their preference until James yesterday, do why did they open on Looker, claim it was just for pressure, then say Looker's name?

Ftr I mentioned why i started Tring VFP start of d2 in 884

[HockeyFan]

hi petapan, welcome to the game

[HockeyFan]

It doesnt change anything. LLD asked me who are the top 2 indivually scummy people(ppl i want to lim today). This does not mean they are PAIRED. Im just saying, T3 and Looker are my mafia reads and people and I want to lim(now that t3 is outed as mafia I MAY re-eval on looker, but no guarantees)

ok so now who u think t3 is mafia wit then ???

Okay, so the only person I dont think T3 is paired with is VFP(peta in this case). This leaves Gpa/LLD/Looker. Out of these 3, Grandpa IS the towniest right now which means through POE, t3's partner is one of LLD/Looker

[HockeyFan]

It doesnt change anything. LLD asked me who are the top 2 indivually scummy people(ppl i want to lim today). This does not mean they are PAIRED. Im just saying, T3 and Looker are my mafia reads and people and I want to lim(now that t3 is outed as mafia I MAY re-eval on looker, but no guarantees)

ok so now who u think t3 is mafia wit then ???

Okay, so the only person I dont think T3 is paired with is VFP(peta in this case). This leaves Gpa/LLD/Looker. Out of these 3, Grandpa IS the towniest right now which means through POE, t3's partner is one of LLD/Looker

Right, so your logic is that scum T3 spent all yesterday discrediting me about Meta, then shoots cows, someone I called scum and was possibly in line to Eliminate via votes, then comes into today calling me into question AGAIN

and then I as his partner call for a mass claim and organize it to get to this result

So if I was scum with T3 I would need to have

agreed to a kill on a target that I was okay to eliminate by vote and would probabyl have succeeded at doing
agreed to T3 doing a sabotage on my credibility as I replaced in and lessening my possible control over the game
and agreed to T3 doing it again today, only to call for a massclaim that increased our win percent by quite a bit?

I'd love for you to explain how T3 and I can be scum together.

That's how POE works, no? I dont think VFP's slot is paired with T3 which once again leaves You/Grandpa/Looker. So from my pov, ONE of you 3 is paired with t3. I mentioned that i think Gpa is the towniest here sooo, for me the people paired with t3 are you/looker

[HockeyFan]

so now that i've covered all that ground, i can get into the meat of why i think it's hockeyfan. luckily, his ISO is full of mentions of T3, and i think they look quite bad for him:

Spoiler:

cow is town.

T3, is this gonna be another game where u give reads without much explanation and never give the explanation when asked?

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

I disagree but eh its fine, at least this time the TR is justified from u so maybe you are actually town this game

first real meaningful interaction here, hockey pressures T3 for not explaining his read, and T3 gives a very weak explanation of cows' thoughts being "too complex". somehow this mediocre explanation was enough to satisfy hockeyfan and make him suggest T3 is town. this is the kind of thing i find partnery - scum want to interact and look like they're putting pressure on each other, but they don't want to actually go too hard and get their partner eliminated, so they'll ask their teammates questions to seem curious, but not really care about the answers.

Spoiler:

Yea... I said town has 0 reason to say it but if u read 173, i explained in the first half of it, scum has no reason to do it either

so does that mean u null read james?

so wait...

we literally came to the same conclusion but with a different approach sorta (me, u and bulge)

and if im understanding this correctly... u liked bulge's response because u understand their logic vs mine?

Yes, which is why i am tring bulge

im so confused

omfg what are you confused about. To go over once again everything I've said. James post 40 is NAI, your reading of it was Scum leaning and Bulges analysis of it was Town. There? Also @cows, why do u SR t3

How do you roll scum so often, T3?

Hey VFP, u seem to be SR'ing t3 here, any particular reason?

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

How do you roll scum so often, T3?

Hey VFP, u seem to be SR'ing t3 here, any particular reason?

VFP isnt me but i have a post in drafts that explains it, let me try and finish it up in the coming hours

cleaning up prior thoughts and then going to bed
about as ordered as a d1 rainbow can be

beesechurger (wasnt mentioned before but their opening post is more genuine-informative than scum can ever be)
james
hockey
rock
--townreads stop here
bulge
VFP is true null
grandpa
t3

if you need clarification ask

i have it..........

pot deserves stirring. VOTE: GrandpaMo

cows seems to be pushing/Sr'ing T3 more tho

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

cows is pushing me lol and puts me scum wit t3 lol

and its weird that i scum read vfp

wait

my vote pool is literally vfp, t3, and rocky

What is this vote pool lol

cows seems to be pushing/Sr'ing T3 more tho

they are voting me lol ...

didnt know voting someone is "pushing" them. In fact cows even labelled the vote as "stirring" the pot. I am just gonna drop this convo as its irrelevant lol. why do u care who cows is pushing more.

My first Read List

Town:

Bulge

Null:
T3
Cows
James

Weak Scum:

Gpa
VFP

Its NAI cuz I dont think scum posts smth like that early into the game. Likewise, theres no reason for any VT to claim their role d1 so its not something town should do, so imo its NAI

...how is this not the same thing as 'tstbs' tho? you're saying you don't think scum would post something anti-town so early, which is the exact same thought process as tstbs.

because its full null, I also think town has 0 reason to do this. This is different than tstbs, because if u think they're "tstsbs" you SR them in some sort already which I didnt do

'tstbs' implies a townread.

Once again, I never said "tstbs"

Oh yeah Grandpa is locktown.

ok yea im not fucking taking chances here last time u did this u pocketed me

VOTE: t3

*this is like a half meme/half serious vote*

Okay so since this is a "semi-serious" vote, u better be ACTUALLY pushing it smfh. Dont just leave your vote there as a chance to bw/sheep others. Also how many votes is that on t3 rn? 3? like wtf is going on lmao

theres been 3 votes on t3? holy fuck where have i been

ok well not 3 votes, but 3 ppl are currently pushing this slot(cows,you and VFP), still super ???

I dont understand what the big deal here is? what is so shocking to you about a wagon of 3?

That early into the game is shocking especally when T3 hadnt done anything scummy in eyes

then, when T3 starts getting some early scumreads, hockeyfan starts defending him, questioning why t3 is getting voted, saying he hasn't done anything scummy. it very much looks like he's trying to derail the wagon on t3 here.

Spoiler:

i also do agree its a bad post

but im not responding to it anymore unless u rlly want me to, since everything is just easily either taken out of context / not thought about properly.

i realize if i dont respond then i get ur true thoughts on other ppl, than you just continuing to blindly tunnel me for no reason.

Alright, thats fine. So based on the whole interaction I had with GPA, i think Im confident in switching cows and Gpa in my reads list. I think cows is a bit scum here, because hes refusing to give AI content for the past while. He gave some reads but has shyed away alot from giving an explanation

Wait until you realise how much or little content T3 has provided.

After reading T3's ISO, I do agree with this statement so yea I might like James as town for now

most of my posts won't be this long. essays suck!

i think it's a given that T3's game regardless of alignment will be filled with one liners and things that they won't expand on unless asked repeatedly. because of this i disagree with scumreading them for that only (i think some people are,), and it'll be for slightly different reasons

tonally, i think their earlygame looks really odd and something that i'd usually see from someone that doesn't know how to generate the information they need to plow through earlygame. they're just floating by and chucking a few names out, including the mod(?) pet peeve is people doing that [shoutout to james too,] since it's openly denying people information about yourself and who you are willing to align with, which means you likely have something to hide

Hello everyone!
Hello random mafia.gg people!
Hello to my scumpartner fferry!

I admit it I'm Jester.
I'm kind of tired rn I'll do stuff tomorrow or llater.

when given the chance to align with people, they churn out stuff like this. it's hard to use stuff like this because it's so ambiguous, which I don't like from anybody

unless a new topic comes up i will talk about the claim for 9 more days

wtf
Someone claimed?
Rollin gtown in newbie games burns the soul.

does this count as LAMIST? you just called yourself a jester, dont make it a point to call out that you're town

i think one point for them is the townread on me. it's built on odd reasoning, but it's reasoning that feels like it comes from a personal perspective, possibly from their own experiences when they were a newb that they're applying. i think scum probably doesn't have an incentive to townread me on such shaky grounds, even if it was weak. i asked bulge about the townread and they didn't care about it, then i asked hockey to elaborate on a comment about it and they said they liked it but disagreed? it might be something that you guys don't care about that much but it's probably the first actually AI thing that's come from them

Specifically why I think cows is town is because his thought is too complex for a fresh newb straight from mafia.gg.

This has entered a whole new dimension of misinterpretation.

this was a comment when hockey V grandpamo was happening. understands that it's a misinterpretation but refuses to take any sort of sides. i guess it's pretty funny cause i thought the same thing, so post might be townier than i think

I don't see how refusing to give AI content is a scumtell.

towniest post award (not joking)

a ton of T3's reads are based on meta and they admit this, so i will not comment without the appropriate reading material (wink wink)
i think their unvote on James is towny,

UNVOTE: James
This is a playstyle difference. I put a lot of stock in meta, you don't care about it so you do weird stuff.

the veiled extra information they have on James i don't mind that much but ill pretend that i have it so I can still call James town
tl;dr T3 looks bad earlygame but has lightened up with towny posts

Do u really think T3's latter posts are "town" enough to make up for the scummier posts above? Cuz I dont think so. They're not *that* town to me. Sure they may not be scummy, but defintely not enough to cancel out his scum logs at the beginning of the game so im curious why u think that?

Do u really think T3's latter posts are "town" enough to make up for the scummier posts above? Cuz I dont think so. They're not *that* town to me. Sure they may not be scummy, but defintely not enough to cancel out his scum logs at the beginning of the game so im curious why u think that?

seems rather PRESUMPTUOUS that you think that i think T3's later logs excuse his earlier posts

your tldr of that post was litreally "T3 looks bad earlygame but has lightened up with towny posts"

but they do, because the beginning logs only show an unwillingness to contribute. you seem to think that the logs i showed later are only moderately town, but know that T3's beginning logs are only moderately scummy and so your scumlean doesn't make too much sense, unless you put a lot of weight into scum logs (do you?)

You're just making up stuff now. Never said they were only moderately scummy, but u are right that I do put some weight into scum logs

T3 probably just hates the random voting stage or something

but, suddenly this all shifts, he decides he agrees with james's reasons for scumreading T3 and decides to townread him, and is suddenly attacking cows for

his

defense of t3. this is especially puzzling because suddenly despite claiming t3 hadn't been scummy earlier, suddenly hockeyfan is saying his early posts were scum logs. now, people can change their mind after a reread, of course. but it's kind of surprising to me that he got such a drastically different impression from a reread.

notably, in spite of his apparent agreement with james here, he doesn't really contribute to pressure on t3. instead, we get this exchange:

Spoiler:

SCUM VFP likes to pocket me and then flip on it later game.

lol why tf are you using the same exact thing as what i do....

LOL

i pointed this out in early day 1 intereaction by saying thew same exact thing t3

I didn't see it

maybe because of the 60 line walls

T3 why do u TR cows

Honestly just vibes and an earlier towny post.

Intresting.


Also wtf im still voting Grandpa?
UNVOTE:

that...is an absolutely terrible response from T3, and hockeyfan just sort of lets it slide by. this doesn't

look

like someone who has T3 as potential scum.

Spoiler:

tl;dr:

James
Cows
---
Hockey
VFP
T3
---
Grandpa
Looker
The Bulge

That's where I'm at rn.

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind. Idk if you didnt quite see cows's soft defending of VFP in the last few posts(479,503) Partially 51. So yea I do think cows hasn't necessarily hard defended VFP but certainly discredited the VFP push(that both me and Gpa made). It has indeed died down, and idk if thats cuz of Gpa's inactivity but just a thing to point out.

You're putting too much stock into meta in your T3 read imo. Like this game specifically sure he has done smth, but any other person would be called scum by the way hes playing.

Also can u explain to me how Bulge "not looking anywhere else" is scum? This game has had like 10 replacements so i really dont think thats an issue.

I do like where u've put James tho so no complaints there.

This entire readslist/reads is null/TL for me atm since they are trying to explain their thought process behind them

i bolded inside this reply to clasko for emphasis - he says a lot to chop down clasko's read on T3, saying he's put too much stock into meta, but, again, has hockey actually contributed meaningfully to pressure on T3 in any way? the answer is no. he's more interested in criticizing other people's reads of t3 than doing anything about him himself.

Spoiler:

T3, what are u doing. You are attempting to read someone based off of meta alone. Why not do this wiith some of the other game? Why is LLD an exception?

so, again, a very soft question here, just asking T3 why he's trying to meta-read LLD. T3 gives an answer in 707, but hockey doesn't actually seem to care about it or follow up at all.

I am a T3 meta expert.
T3 is scum!

omg VFP u gonna talk about anything other than t3??

Also regarding this whole VFP/T3 thing thats happneing rn, I think we should shift away a little from it since atm 80% of the players think one of them is scum so if they're both town, uhh we're kinda fucked

left unspoiled, because this is a super scummy quote, imo. hockey is trying to deflect from the scumreads on t3 again here, despite saying his posts were scummy, for some reason he wants to "shift away from it" because...it would be bad if both were eliminated and flipped town? the thinking here makes no sense especially given then he wasn't strongly townreading both players.

nvm I think I have to vote one of t3/vfp now that we're close to deadline. I havent got a good read on the ppl that've replaced in, and everyone else hasnt done anythign scummy. i could vote gpa, but I think condemming one of T3/Vfp gets us some info.

Out of the 2, I think VFP is more scummy for only tunneling on T3 basically this entire game

VOTE: VFP

of course, in spite of what he just said above, he decides to vote VFP instead of T3, despite seemingly suggesting several times he finds T3 scummy. instead he's voting the guy who was most strongly pushing T3. A vote that just...doesn't make sense if you believe T3 had a decent chance of being scum, which he did. it also reads like more partner defense, attacking someone for focusing on only one slot, when that slot just happens to be outed as scum this game.

Spoiler:

hockey there's something that i don't know and you do and i keep seeing reasoning like VFP is tunnelling someone for most of the game, or VFP didn't no lim D1, so i'm just gonna assume that you just want a policy at this point

i think T3 having more scum equity is very apparent

FTR, at 1 point in a time, I didnt want to condemm any of these but since we're so close to deadline, I think we just condemm in those 2. I am also down to pivot to T3 if I have to

Regarding this whole T3 whole crumb thing, the actual crumb isnt scummy but SOLELY using that to towncase yourself is scummy. T3 has been like "oh look i fake breadcrumbed doctor, im town". James not budging and continuing to push T3 which gives me more reason to TR james

I think there's some chance, we'll end up on a 4 TF 4 VFP and 1 other vote and get a no elim.

if absolutely needed i'll swap to VFP to avoid a no lim. i'll be here until deadline

T3 is much less than scummier than VFP imo and u should do that swap rn

wait actually i take that back, not "much less" but, i sr VFP a lil more

he wants to seem like he's open to other options here, but he's not actually moving his vote to T3, in spite of suddenly agreeing that his behavior around claiming is scummy. again, remember, he's voting VFP here

for tunneling T3

. it makes no sense whatsoever.

1. "but, suddenly this all shifts, he decides he agrees with james's reasons for scumreading T3 and decides to townread him,"

I think I espeically liked this point from James because it was the first real read someone had on T3. James could have easilly placed a random vote on T3 there but he didnt, and actually gave semi-decent reasoning

2. "attacking cows for his defense of t3"

It felt very unnatrual and cows was one of the people who wanted to push T3 earlier in the day, so that sudden switch seemed odd to me

3. "for some reason he wants to "shift away from it"

. We had time in the day to look at other people, and its bad for town to get tunneld too much on certain people. I aslo voted one of T3/VFP in post 742(admittely i did choose wrong) because we were getting close to deadline and at that point, I dont think we were going to be able to vote anyone else

4.the only reason he can give for T3-scum is "has not done anything towny"?.

I didnt have a scum case on anyone else at that time. So imo this was fine, because for the most of the other people I could find something that they did that was towny but for T3, i just couldnt..

5. " fos your buddy, but push on a townie."

Yea sure, you can sus me for this, but I maintained the fact that I think one of t3/vfp are scum, So if VFP claimed PR or smth I would have voted T3

6. "there's no reason he should "like" this post".

There was a bit of bias there since I pretty much had the exact thouhgts of that post

7. "he votes Looker, who he had "no read" on".

I wanted to find one of t3's (possible) partners so I decided to pressure Looker to see what their reaction was, and tbh it hasnt been great

I know i didnt respond to everything in this wallpost, but I responded to things that caught my eye

[HockeyFan]

Wait, sorry i thought quoted both posts. These are answers to points in both 1026/1027

[HockeyFan]

That's how POE works, no? I dont think VFP's slot is paired with T3 which once again leaves You/Grandpa/Looker. So from my pov, ONE of you 3 is paired with t3. I mentioned that i think Gpa is the towniest here sooo, for me the people paired with t3 are you/looker

If you don't believe you're the correct elim come D3, do you have a preference between the two people you're suggesting? Can you give reasons?

I want Looker on d3. Looker has ben here, yes, but he hasnt really tried to progress game, kinda filler. Im liking LLD's logs more which is why I think Looker -> LLD wins us the game.

[HockeyFan]

Some thoughts start of d3

Looker- About post 1047, what i meant specifically is I hadn't seen much content from u. The only things I could see were (940 and 971). Like this is the only real content I saw from u on d2. The rest was just observing things. Even out of the 2 posts of 940 and 971, I can only give u “town-points” for 971 even though I dont agree with it(for obvious reasons ). Your post 940 makes no sense? “Im only town if Clakso has a result on me”. like ??

LLD- I’ve been mentally drained the past week or so, so I haven't had the chance to re-read the game, but I think slot is towny. The only thing I dont really like is 1015. They were trying too hard to discredit my read when it was based of smth as simple as POE. The majority of that post was WIFOM too

Peta- Im too dumb to get a read on this slot. I know for a fact that they are able to do their mini analysis as either alignment so im mind fucked on how to read this slot cuz the rest of their posts are neither towny or scummy

Gpa- At least for the beginning of d3, I am still willing to TR this.

[HockeyFan]

I know for a fact that they are able to do their mini analysis as either alignment

er, how do you know this? it's correct, but i'm not sure how you'd have a way of knowing

Its more of that fact that you've been on this site since 2012 X.X. u also seem like an experienced player

truthfully, almost nothing i do this game is going to be alignment-indicative, because when i replaced in, one mafia was already outed. the reads i gave were largely the ones i had prior to getting my role, so they'd be "honest" even had i replaced a scum slot. i'm not saying this to create uncertainty around me, i just want the newbies in the game to understand - the only real way to read my slot is going to be through reading the actions of VFP and deciding whether they make sense as coming from mafia

Yea, about "reading" the actions VFP did, I did TR them a abit start of d2, but I havent read over it in a long time so not sure

[HockeyFan]

I responded to GrandpaMo the way I did because I'm old - instead of trying to feed him some subjective pandering nonsense, I tried to speak objectively: the only way he would concretely see me as town was if Clasko had a result on me. Everything else comes across as wishy-washy beggy bullshit or WIFOM.

I think we both have different interpretations on what "towncasing" yourself means. I think it means showing all the town things u've done and then other people can decide if you are town/interpret it however they want to

[HockeyFan]

Maybe. I just feel it's obvious. I didn't kill James and I hammered T3. Look at the actions of other players - I don't know what more there is to say. I think people just want to post because that's what they find fun about the game.

Fair enough

[HockeyFan]

Hey @gpa, whos your top kill today

[HockeyFan]

Okay, so I looked back through VFP's interactions with t3 and I can confidently say that this slot is not paired with t3, therefore town. VFP spent all of d1 pushing T3 which I dont think thats scum/scum. Also, vfp started pushign t3 right as d1 satrted which once again makes VFP slot town(petapan in this case).

Posts like 243,266,399,443 are town and makes me think they are not paired

Me tring VFP means I'm probably wrong on Gpa and I'm going to move them back to null. The people I still SR(LLD/looker) stay the same atm

[HockeyFan]

Okay, so I looked back through VFP's interactions with t3 and I can confidently say that this slot is not paired with t3, therefore town. VFP spent all of d1 pushing T3 which I dont think thats scum/scum. Also, vfp started pushign t3 right as d1 satrted which once again makes VFP slot town(petapan in this case).

Posts like 243,266,399,443 are town and makes me think they are not paired

Me tring VFP means I'm probably wrong on Gpa and I'm going to move them back to null. The people I still SR(LLD/looker) stay the same atm

Explain why GPA is higher on your townlist than I am, using examples from the game of why you think I'm scum and they are town.

You being scum(668,693,856,1015)

668

- I still don't get the intention of Tring someone page 4 when they had like 5 words. I’m aware this is a tonal read from you, but i still find it scummy

693

- Once again,I respect that you use tones for your reads but like what is this? You made this comment just so you can set up future reads BASED on “tonal”.+scum points

856

- Dont get why this is the case? Why does it have to flow through you? I don't know if this is necessarily /scum/ leaning but like it doesn't make sense

1015

- I mentioned it earlier, but this whole post was WIFOMY trying to discredit my POE. There is some merit to it, but I don't like how the entire post was WIFOM

Grandpa being town(Posts 269,329,942)

269

- I dont think their first /semi/ serious vote is on their partner

329

- Grandpa specifically said that he thought it was a bad post but did not continue to tunnel me and possibly get me /mcd/. Why? Because he's town.

942

- I mostly think this post is town because it has the same thoughts as me about looker needing to towncase themselves through their action

[HockeyFan]

Anyone else see the problem with this from Hockey?

I have gone from about 80/20 to 95/5 Hockey being scum from that response. Mostly because I kind of see what the path is for him now.

You just moved it from 80/20 to 95/5 because my "path" has you as scum in it right?

[HockeyFan]

Are we waiting for prods or can I vote already? I think I have a good guess of who it is. Don't want to end the day early, though, since, apparently, that was a big deal last time.

I mean, u can give the guess now, it doesnt end the day early at all.

[HockeyFan]

Anyone else see the problem with this from Hockey?

I have gone from about 80/20 to 95/5 Hockey being scum from that response. Mostly because I kind of see what the path is for him now.

You just moved it from 80/20 to 95/5 because my "path" has you as scum in it right?

If this were true, I would have moved it yesterday when I spoke to you about why you were saying the same things. I came into today looking for a more clear answer, I already knew you had me as scum.

I wanted to see how your overnight had changed you.

No, it's not me that I'm interested in. It's the GPM read, and how you have done the same thing you did with me, with them.

You began leaning into me, and then switched me into full scum. There was no cognitive consistency in how you did it... almost like you were obligated to because it was your wincon to say these things.

I switched you into full scum because my reads on other unconfirmed people changed

GPM, you have to do the same with. You have to hover them at Null and see what happens. What if you get Looker today? what if you get me today? You need a target for tomorrow.

You're right I do need a target for tomorrow. My vote pool for d3 is {LLD,Looker}. My vote on d4(if we get there) is the one that is still alive between you two. You're right Im hovering them at null because Im not so confident on Looker anymore. Fwiw, If gpa does (one) more town thing, they get moved up to town and the game becomes auto for me

It was the GPM read that made exactly 0 sense in a logical progression. If you find him null, those town arguments are just....

You asked why I have GPA higher than u. I gave the town things Grandpa has done. BUT, this does not make Grandpa lock town as they had 1-2 scummy posts.

Basically, I read this as you having to play a game of chess where you set the pieces on the board in the right order to win. You're not actually scum hunting... you're making moves based on what would let you win and your reads reflect this.

[HockeyFan]

Anyone else see the problem with this from Hockey?

I have gone from about 80/20 to 95/5 Hockey being scum from that response. Mostly because I kind of see what the path is for him now.

Can u explain what the "problem" is . Im assuming its my read progression on grandpa? Whats your read on Gpa

[HockeyFan]

we're running short on time, not much is going on. still reading through day 1 but i haven't seen anything to change my mind so i'm voting now:

VOTE: hockeyfan

we still have 3 days left right + with the replacement 1 extra day.

With that being said,
VOTE: Looker

[HockeyFan]

Fwiw I didnt think gpas reaction felt that unnatural but a gpa vote is smth I can get behind. Idk if you didnt quite see cows's soft defending of VFP in the last few posts(479,503) Partially 51.

To each their own. It just jumped out to me as a possibility.
You SR'ed Grandpa at time of argument, in 368 you say you think they're town, now you're fine with a potential vote on them - what's your case for them rn?

I mainly tr'd them so I wouldnt be tunneling them forever. I still think they're null to weak scum but leaning more null rn

bad, opportunistic response from hockeyfan where he says he is okay with eliminating grandpamo after supposedly townreading him, then tries to walk it back by saying he "tr'd them so I wouldnt be tunneling them forever" which makes no sense?? why would you townread someone just to stop tunneling them, there's no logical process here

We might have differnet playstyles but when I tunnel too much, I carried away and usually most of the time, I dont end the tunnel until I semi-TR and in gpas case, he did become semi town.

I am a T3 meta expert.
T3 is scum!

omg VFP u gonna talk about anything other than t3??

Also regarding this whole VFP/T3 thing thats happneing rn, I think we should shift away a little from it since atm 80% of the players think one of them is scum so if they're both town, uhh we're kinda fucked

bad attempt to divert focus from T3. already pointed this out but bears repeating

Im pretty sure the focus was equally as much on VFP as it was on T3 so idk what u mean by "diverting" focus. Also, I wanted to get peoples opinions on other people in the game

[HockeyFan]

Pog town won, ggs. I could have probably played a bit better but im happy I pushed scum on d3. Wp LLD(even though u pushed me >:()

[HockeyFan]

well that was a game of some kind

if any of the newbies who were in the game are still paying attention and want feedback,

How do you not get condemmed . Moreso, how do radiate town/towncase yourself

feel free to ask. not even sure how many of them stuck around given the unfortunate number of replace outs

[HockeyFan]

Pog town won, ggs. I could have probably played a bit better but im happy I pushed scum on d3. Wp LLD(even though u pushed me >:()

hnestly i think in terms of your play you weren't really all that bad

this misread is 95% my fault here and i'm still not sure what i should have done differently

i think i was reading too deeply into your posts when the real answer (looker's slot) simply didn't have much content to go off that was actually incriminating - i really only got there in the end because i could figure out other people were town

as for yourself, i don't know. you were right and for okay reasons, i just couldn't figure you out. to tell you what you could do differently i'd have to first figure out where i went wrong. i think you did a fine job keeping up with the game in spite of the constant player turnover.

Ok, thanks! yea about the reading too deeply into posts is a recurring theme across most players Ive played with(not just on this site). If 1 player does smth scummy, another play will likely call that player scum for the rest of the game without reconsidering thier read so dw about it too much, it was just unforunate that I paired a bit there with T3

[HockeyFan]

Hockey, the misread on you was my fault. I had you as my towniest player day 1, and then I saw T3 scum and I was like... Hockey/T3 makes a LOT of sense.

And with the free space we had to make 1 mistake, I didn't feel comfortable letting you live. If I'd relied on my initial instincts, I'd have kept you town.

Just saw something weird and got a little paranoid.

yea looking back, i probs should have pushed one of VFP/T3 harder

[HockeyFan]

GG

gg looker

[HockeyFan]

well that was a game of some kind

if any of the newbies who were in the game are still paying attention and want feedback,

How do you not get condemmed . Moreso, how do radiate town/towncase yourself

feel free to ask. not even sure how many of them stuck around given the unfortunate number of replace outs

So everything you did day 1 was so fucking town. It radiated it and I was never more confident.

The issue was, coming into day 2, your interactions with T3 about Looker specifically, and the instant Looker vote and the reason you gave for it were insinspiring.

If you'd said "Looker is scummy and I want more pressure here today" I'd have vibed.

But you said it so passively. "I'm not sure if he's scum but I wanna see more".

It made it look like a scum semi push.

yea makes sense. The problem is, i wasnt ready to start hard pushing Looker there cuz he had like 3-4 posts.

[HockeyFan]

man, what a tense game
i think the worst part of eventually knowing that looker was scum in dead chat was that it meant that rocky was also scum. i couldn't stomach that because they were a pretty large townread, not to mention that i already felt good about looker, lol

i hope to see you guys around the site! i think that this was a very good introductory game, except maybe for the large amount of replacements

gone :^). gg cows, u played well

[HockeyFan]

well that was a game of some kind

if any of the newbies who were in the game are still paying attention and want feedback,

How do you not get condemmed . Moreso, how do radiate town/towncase yourself

feel free to ask. not even sure how many of them stuck around given the unfortunate number of replace outs

So everything you did day 1 was so fucking town. It radiated it and I was never more confident.

The issue was, coming into day 2, your interactions with T3 about Looker specifically, and the instant Looker vote and the reason you gave for it were insinspiring.

If you'd said "Looker is scummy and I want more pressure here today" I'd have vibed.

But you said it so passively. "I'm not sure if he's scum but I wanna see more".

It made it look like a scum semi push.

yea makes sense. The problem is, i wasnt ready to start hard pushing Looker there cuz he had like 3-4 posts.

So lie. Fake it. Act more confident that you really are.

Sometimes it doesn't matter what your actual intentions are, just that you sell it to the town better.

I'm being serious here. Deadly serious. If you come out acting way more confident about it and lead it a bit more? You probably come out town.

Yea, I need to learn to be more confident lol. I dont trust my own reads much which is a problem

[HockeyFan]

Okay thanks LLD/Peta for the advice. Also ggs(again) to everyone who played the game. My first town win pog

[HockeyFan]

One of the hotter topics in the dead thread was the Day 1 elim of JamesTheNames. I think it came down to running out of time and trying to make an elim happen given the players available to consolidate at that point.

He was nowhere near a universal scumread. He was a townread for the majority of players, I think.

Why do you think that happened?

peta's suggestions for how to take the lead and get an elim you want could have helped with the end of day 1, I think.

My best guess is that people saw recent votes on James from T3 and VFP(i think) and they wanted to sheep it. I think clakso voted james because he was the majority vote or smth. it was still a super unfortunate condemm