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Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:44 am**

Newbie 2067 - The Sandwich Debate

Moderator: fferyllt
Backup Moderator: Cabd

It started with a simple question and inevitably grew into a controversy, and has even spawned a General Field Theory. In this game we'll explore the deep philosophical question: What is a Sandwich?

The flavor is purely for your enjoyment (and mine!), and has no effect whatsoever on the NewD3 newbie game setup and rules.

Player List (9)

HockeyFan

cowsloveSushirolls

ManateeDude

GrandpaMo

JamesTheNames

Clasko

Beesechurger

Looker

StrangeMatter, Rocky14

T3

(SE)

petapan

VFP

(SE)

Lady Lambdadelta

The Bulge (SE)

bold

= confirmed
* = prod

Spoiler: Alive

Spoiler: Dead

Spoiler: Banished

Spoiler: Vote Counter Settings

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:12 am**

Setup Info

Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goon

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Sample Role PM's (click on the spoiler button to reveal)

Spoiler:

Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town MasonWelcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly NeighborWelcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:13 am**

Rules:

In-Game Behavior

1.

Site Rules are in effect. Please familiarize yourself and follow them.

2. Posts consisting purely of insults without game content are not tolerated. I penalize such posts with a strike. Three strikes and you're out. Severe issues will be reported to the listmods.

3. Claiming scum is allowed. Claiming scum with another player (whether as a joke or not) will result in severe consequences for you, and consequences for your team.

4. Play towards your win condition. Gambits are fine, directly harming your own team is not.

5. Loophole abuse is not tolerated.

6. Have fun! There are a lot of great people who play, discuss mafia game theory and practice, and discuss life, the universe and everything, too, here at Mafiascum.net. During and after this game, please take a look around the site and get to know us. I think you'll like what you see.

Voting and Deadlines:

1. Voting must be bolded in the form

Vote: Player

- bold tags

Code: Select all

[b]Vote: Player[/b]

or

VOTE: Player vote tags

Code: Select all

[vote]Player[/vote]

or else they will not be counted. Unvotes are not required to change your vote, but they are helpful. Please note: I'm using an automated vote counter.

If you don't use the vote tags, be sure to add a colon after the word "Vote".

2. Votes inside of spoiler tags will not be counted.

3. I don't mind if you use nicknames/abbreviations when you vote someone. But if I have no idea who you're voting for, then the vote won't be counted. Please note: the vote counting application may be more finicky about nicknames than I am. If you notice that your vote hasn't been recorded, please let me know.

4. Eliminations require a majority of votes: (number of living players/2) +1, rounded down.

5. If there's no majority at deadline, there's no elimination.

6. When the hammer vote is cast, all players, including the eliminated may talk freely until the final vote count and eliminated player's card-flip have been posted. I will lock the game thread at that time.

6. Once you are dead, you may not post in the game thread again. Not even a "Bah" post.

7. Deadlines are set at 10 days on Day 1 and 7 days for subsequent game days. and Extensions may be granted if there are replacements near deadline, or under other extraordinary circumstances (e.g., site outages, major holidays).

Prods and Replacements:

Replacing Out

If you need to replace out of this game, send me a private message about it. Do NOT post that you want to be replaced, or that you have asked to be replaced in the game thread.
I will acknowledge your replacement request by replying to your PM. From that time forward, you are out of the game. Do not make any posts in the game thread.

This is a site rule that can entail penalties if broken. It applies to all mafia games at Mafiascum.net unless the game moderator explicitly states otherwise.

1. Prods will be given if you do not post in

36 hours

.

2. You will be replaced if you either do not respond to a prod, or need to be prodded more than 3 times total. You may request for a player to be prodded at any time. Prods requested when a player has been absent for less than 36 hours do not count for replacement purposes.

3. If you are V/LA (on vacation/have limited access), make sure I know. If you are V/LA for more than a week, I suggest requesting replacement, but it's not required. If a lengthy V/LA is adversely affecting the game (e.g., if you are not able to post minimally during that time), then your mod may replace you.without penalty.

Misc.

1. Dark Blue (#004080) is the color I will use for mod posts. Please don’t use this color or otherwise try to make your posts look like mod posts.

2. You can talk about the game in the private threads given to you via PM, assuming you were given one. Otherwise, please refrain from talking about this game outside of this thread, and don't talk about other games inside of this game. This is a sitewide rule. See announcement here.

3. No editing, deleting, using invisible texts, write in code, using font sizes less than 70, etc...

4. Don't quote or talk about any mod-recieved PMs. Your flavor is for you to enjoy and you only, until the end of the game.

5. Vocaroos, Youtubes, etc, may not be used to make game-content posts. e.g., do not record a vacoroo with your thoughts about the game and post it.

6. I make mistakes. If you notice I make one, please let me know.

7. Questions are vastly preferable to Modkills. If you're thinking about to do something that you're unsure is within the letter or spirit of these rules and the game of mafia, then ask me privately about it first.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:14 am**

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:15 am**

This is the Pregame Phase. I'll send out Role Private Messages (PMs) during the next few hours. Please respond to your Role PM with your alignment (Town or Mafia) and Role Name to confirm that you have received it.

You have 48 hours from the time I send you the Role PM to respond. If you cannot respond by then, I will seek a replacement.

Once 8 of the 9 players have confirmed via PM reply, OR 48 hours after all Role PMs have been sent, whichever comes first, the game will begin!

I'll update this post as we progress through Pregame.

All Role PMs

will go out shortly!

have gone out!

8 of 9 players have confirmed!

Day 1 will start momentarily!

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:20 am**

Vote Count 1-1

Day 1 Begins!

Such a simple question!

Not Voting

(9): cowsloveSushirolls, Rocky14, The Bulge, T3, HockeyFan, GrandpaMo, JamesTheNames, Beesechurger, VFP

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 14, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-13 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Beesechurger has 48 hours in which to post before I must seek a replacement.
-

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:23 am**

1) First
2) Football’s coming home
3) A sandwich is a filling between two pieces of bread. Other wheat or yeast products do not a sandwich make.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:26 am**

In post 6, Rocky14 wrote:1) First
2) Football’s coming home
3) A sandwich is a filling between two pieces of bread. Other wheat or yeast products do not a sandwich make.

Town.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:27 am**

i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:29 am**

In post 6, Rocky14 wrote:3) A sandwich is a filling between two pieces of bread. Other wheat or yeast products do not a sandwich make.

disagree. what about an ice cream sandwich? or if i want to make myself a cold cut sandwich but I find I've run out of bread and have to use hot dog buns instead, is my lunch no longer a sandwich?

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:30 am**

In post 8, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i'd recommend
1. tuna melt

Reported for offensive posting. Sick.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:30 am**

In post 8, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan

he's onto us

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:30 am**

In post 10, Rocky14 wrote:
In post 8, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i'd recommend
1. tuna melt
Reported for offensive posting. Sick.

at least we agree on this one

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:30 am**

A croissant is a loaf a bread.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:32 am**

upon rereading rocky's definition of a sandwich is i can say that they're locktown for saying something so horrifically controversial

ok the site just told me that rocky hates tuna melts too
why live?

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:32 am**

In post 6, Rocky14 wrote: 2) Football’s coming home

No it isn't.
VOTE: Rocky14

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:33 am**

In post 9, The Bulge wrote:
In post 6, Rocky14 wrote:3) A sandwich is a filling between two pieces of bread. Other wheat or yeast products do not a sandwich make.
disagree. what about an ice cream sandwich? or if i want to make myself a cold cut sandwich but I find I've run out of bread and have to use hot dog buns instead, is my lunch no longer a sandwich?

I was going off the English definition, which is the correct definition of course, so no the cited example aren’t sandwiches.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:33 am**

Hey everyone! This is my 2nd game on the site so cant wait. I have played a lot with cowslovesushirolls/Gpa on other sites so I may meta read them a bit.

I do have 1 question for VFP tho, looking at your past games, it seems like u love to no lim d1, whys that

With that being said, lets quickhammer Grandpa before he gets to post.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:33 am**

Only the Brits can comment on the true sandwiches, such is the tale of the Earl of Sandwich!

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:33 am**

In post 8, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan

This is a terrible list and you should be punished for it

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:34 am**

In post 17, HockeyFan wrote:Hey everyone! This is my 2nd game on the site so cant wait. I have played a lot with cowslovesushirolls/Gpa on other sites so I may meta read them a bit.

I do have 1 question for VFP tho, looking at your past games, it seems like u love to no lim d1, whys that

With that being said, lets quickhammer Grandpa before he gets to post.

VOTE: GrandpaMo

Mo is fun. Stop this.

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:35 am**

In post 19, HockeyFan wrote:
In post 8, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan
This is a terrible list and you should be punished for it

with that attitude you'll never get grandpamo quickly hammered at this pace
NERD!

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:35 am**

In post 21, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
In post 19, HockeyFan wrote:
In post 8, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:i read a few forum games on here, i think flavor is one of my favorite parts of a forum game. maybe that conversation would be more interesting than whatever 'sand witches' are
my top three sandwiches i'd recommend
1. tuna melt (ingredients of a grilled cheese but slap tuna onto it)
2. my subway order (TOP SECRET, CLASSIFIED, but includes jalapenos and italian, lettuce too i'm willing to give you that)
3. knuckle sandwich (to the two mafia, HockeyFan and The Bulge)
the Fan goes today

VOTE: HockeyFan
This is a terrible list and you should be punished for it
with that attitude you'll never get grandpamo quickly hammered at this pace
NERD!

ok what if I pay pal u 20 dollars, will u vote Gpa for me?

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:36 am**

In post 20, JamesTheNames wrote:
In post 17, HockeyFan wrote:Hey everyone! This is my 2nd game on the site so cant wait. I have played a lot with cowslovesushirolls/Gpa on other sites so I may meta read them a bit.

I do have 1 question for VFP tho, looking at your past games, it seems like u love to no lim d1, whys that

With that being said, lets quickhammer Grandpa before he gets to post.

VOTE: GrandpaMo
Mo is fun. Stop this.

We have different defintions of "fun"

(this is a joke, I love playing with Grandpa but hes always mafia!)

Posted: **Sat Jul 03, 2021 9:37 am**

In post 23, HockeyFan wrote:
In post 20, JamesTheNames wrote:
In post 17, HockeyFan wrote:Hey everyone! This is my 2nd game on the site so cant wait. I have played a lot with cowslovesushirolls/Gpa on other sites so I may meta read them a bit.

I do have 1 question for VFP tho, looking at your past games, it seems like u love to no lim d1, whys that

With that being said, lets quickhammer Grandpa before he gets to post.

VOTE: GrandpaMo
Mo is fun. Stop this.
We have different defintions of "fun" (this is a joke, I love playing with Grandpa but hes always mafia!)

I've played 2 games with him, one is ongoing so I can't comment whether he is or isn't mafia here as it breaks rules, but in the other one (finished one) he was a scummy town.

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Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!