Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

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VOTE: catboi

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Right now my only input is that catboi seems to be trying pretty hard, so he's a bit towny.
So is meg.

how much effort is considered trying?

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This has nothing to do with the game; but for the people with anime avatars, what are the names of the characters in your avatars? I'm really curious.

Master Splinter

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Save the Dragons (imma just call you StG from here on for the sake of ease) has only posted twice, but I am curious why he ignored Catboi's question? It could just be that he missed it so I don't think that's AI atm but it is something I'm curious about.

i definitely missed it hold up

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That a for real vote, or just RVS playing around?

a real RVS OMGUS vote

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why am i getting called STG? STD is fine been called that since my first newbie years and years ago

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GeneralWu just seems to be trying to pocket people, i'll hold off on voting though as it looks like they're E-2

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i'm generally a busy guy so i may go periods of time without saying much

T3 and Navigator seem town to me, still reading the rest of y'all

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GeneralWu just seems to be trying to pocket people, i'll hold off on voting though as it looks like they're E-2

Hmm, where do you see him as trying to "pocket" anyone? I don't really get that feeling from his play at all.

maybe pocket is a strong word but generalwu is calling people out as town based on what i think is not enough evidence

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I prefer that to someone who spams a bunch of one-liners

oof

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I’ll post more complete reads eventually. I didn’t realize that each game day was a week tbh


Home forum is breadnroses, game days are usually a day

Range of high chaos to vanilla but we skew high chaos

You're used to 24 hour games but then you disappeared for over 36 hours? Doesn't really add up to me.

VOTE: Shwinnebego

VOTE: roden this feels opportunistic to me

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VOTE: shwinnebago i feel like this drama is coming from scum.

t3 is town i bet. I feel like he would have done something crazy as scum by now. i don't know how accurate that read is but that's what my gut's saying.

i still hate roden's vote on shwinnebago but maybe he's onto something, although with his pussyfooting around voting shwin (going quickly to generalWu) maybe they're partners, that's probably my solve at this point.

catboi feels very solvy, as does navigator.

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Also, save the dragons has posted mostly only one-liners as of right now. It doesn't seem like he's joining the discussion, and that's a bit suspicious.

it's how i roll

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i'm not big on long posts but every once in a while i'll pull something out of my butt

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the real important question is which is the most delicious looking parfait

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VOTE: GeneralWu

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waiting for shwinn

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lmao wtf

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i guess it's just T3 here? i don't really see a good reason why town!T3 claims mason tbh.

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why did you claim mason?

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wat

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i mean i'm seriously considering it but i did town read you initially so i'm trying to wrap my brain around a possible world where town!T3 does what he does

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lol t3 wtf

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I don't find catboi suspicious.

why

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i guess it's just T3 here? i don't really see a good reason why town!T3 claims mason tbh.

Actually, here's a take: this is a post coming from someone who knows T3 will flip town.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

How come?

The language is almost too passive, it doesn't have the feeling I and other people did where we really jumped on T3 for fakeclaiming, it's kind of quizzical in the "oh huh why is he doing this", like he knows T3 isn't scum but has to push him anyway.

he was at E-1, if he wasn't i would have added a vote

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catching up now

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Q: Does being an SE mean you're good at mafia?
A: No! It does not.

You have to ask yourself - which faction is T3 talking to when he say 'enjoy losing the game!' - obviously, the opposite faction to that whihc he himself rolled. It might be true that being an SE doesn't nessacairy mean you are good at mafia, but it does mean you have been around long enough to know about playing to win.

i don't love this push on T3. it could be from mafia knowing T3 is town. it seems like T3 made a joke here but val takes it pretty seriously.

The only other person I've really taken notice of is Val but since he's VLA I'll have to wait til he comes back to look more into.

interesting

Right now my only input is that catboi seems to be trying pretty hard, so he's a bit towny.
So is meg.

how much effort is considered trying?

I think they're trying hard because they're doing their best to make reads even though there aren't many posts. When there aren't many posts, making reads like that is considered trying in my opinion.

i think generalwu is a little quick to push people into the town column.

roden's policy elim talk is pretty meh to me. seems more like a joke than an actual suggestion.

As an aside, I know we're still early in the game but I want to hear more from Catboi and StG.

Catboi and StD really need to post more to give some input

Interesting how MegAzumarill just parrots Roden here

I’ll post more complete reads eventually. I didn’t realize that each game day was a week tbh


Home forum is breadnroses, game days are usually a day

Range of high chaos to vanilla but we skew high chaos

You're used to 24 hour games but then you disappeared for over 36 hours? Doesn't really add up to me.

VOTE: Shwinnebego

god i still hate this post

just because it's one vote doesn't mean it's not opportunistic, your reason was really flimsy

VOTE: SavetheDragons

I dislike eliminating shwinniebego here for a few reasons.
1. The first is that I find it likely that if they are a town, they are probably a PR ( or doing some WIFOM thing). I would not want to out them if they are so.
2. I think that their flip doesn't give us much information. Either they are a town that has very much struggled adapting to the meta on this site, or they flip scum, which would be a very attractive bus on a new player. Either way we don't learn much about other players.
3. I honestly don't scumread them that much, they seem too apart from the norm of mafia games like this, so I think their behavior is NAI.
4. I feel that their input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town.

Instead I feel like StD is a better vote, they overall don't provide much to town.

Shwinniebego, you should post your input if you feel like you need to say something, it will both help you get better and may help town.

I would like StD to post their reads and contribute a bit more substance. It doesn't really matter if you can't post often, but at least try to post something that is useful when you do.

And T3 appears to be avoiding confronting the accusation made at him by Val89, although the accusation doesn't hold a whole lot of weight imo.

i don't love this attack. why am i less likely to be a PR than shwinnebago?

I'm still thinking StD may be scum, you guys keep saying that him posting one liners and such is normal, that doesn't really make him seem townie in my eyes. At best it is NAI.

if it's NAI why am i scum for it

If you think there's a possibility you'll be NKed, you should probably be making your case on who's scum right now, sine you're not going to be able to post it when you're dead!

yeah i'm not sure i understand the argument for not making the case now

I think my general d1 suspicions toward them haven't diminished, and shwinniebego brought up a good point about how the vote on them dissolved yesterday despite them saying nothing at E-1.
Let's get this show on the road.

what happened to your suspicion of me

I am also happy starting with StD

why

I'm ready to vote StD here. That would put him at E-1; and there is a chance he might self-hammer if he is scum, so is there anything burning that really, really needs to be said before I do?

yeah what's your case on me?

VOTE: Val

town: shwin, catboi, generalwu
null: roden
scum: val, meg

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tldr; Val comes out of the gate running against T3 based on a flimsy case and basically rides it, tunneling him until T3 gets mislimed. he's trying to hop on my wagon now without actually providing any reasoning. i think he's just scum here.

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no because i didn't know what alignment T3 was

knowing that he's town makes me go hmm

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instead of doing whatever that question was, why don't you outline your case on me, val

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no lol

i believe it's likely you are scum but i could be wrong.

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hmmm. hmm. hhmmmmmmhhhmmm.

i thought it was interesting because i wonder what he was thinking.

VOTE: Meg

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hmmm. hmm. hhmmmmmmhhhmmm.

i thought it was interesting because i wonder what he was thinking.

VOTE: Meg

If possible, can you explain why you just moved your vote?

Please spell it out plainly if possible, unless you really really think that continuing to post cryptically will benefit town. If you do not do that, then barring someone else explaining to me why your cryptic approach to posting helps town in a sufficiently compelling fashion, I will interpret your actions and cryptic justifications for them as wolfish behavior.

i do not think discussing this benefits the town

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hmmm. hmm. hhmmmmmmhhhmmm.

i thought it was interesting because i wonder what he was thinking.

VOTE: Meg

Specifically, does your vote indicate that Meg is now your top choice for quorum today? If so, would you please tell us why?

i think meg could be scum. mostly for reasons in my big post. i don't like the random post that attacks me but defends shwin without taking into account similarities in our playstyle. meg later goes on to say my playstyle was NAI at best, but if it's NAI, what's scummy about me?

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i thought it was interesting because i wonder what he was thinking.

No, come on, StD, do share, what do you wonder about what he was thinking?

Your wall of quotes, which lended itself eventually to denouce my slot as 'likley scum' and result in you voting your slot had 4 qoutes that related to me. 2 of them were from today, asking me to make a case on you, one was my very first RVS post, and the other was that one, a reference navigator made to my slot very very early on. You must have felt it important to make it in to that short list of things you wanted to draw attention to, so come - what specifically about THAT tweaked your interest?

at the time i wondered what he was thinking when he called you out like that. was he concerned about your T3 push? or what? What pinged him about you?

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hmmm. hmm. hhmmmmmmhhhmmm.

i thought it was interesting because i wonder what he was thinking.

VOTE: Meg

I'm not seeing the progression here. This straight up looks like a flail.

i mean i scumread meg, did i not?

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no because i didn't know what alignment T3 was

knowing that he's town makes me go hmm

Folks, I didn't really thinking I needed to explain in detail why this is crap. I know shwinn came in and said something but I assumed it was scum playacting. Since Roden is also now throwing this around, I guess I'll have to explain.

Until the fakeclaim, StD was openly townreading T3.

T3 and Navigator seem town to me, still reading the rest of y'all

t3 is town i bet. I feel like he would have done something crazy as scum by now. i don't know how accurate that read is but that's what my gut's saying.

He did not, perhaps deliberately, give a read on me yesterday.

There are two possibilties, and the question I posed to try and narrow it down that seemed to twig you all was aimed at distigushing between the two.

Either Std was scumreading me yesterday, in which case, as I suggested, he saw someone he thought was scum pushing on someone he thought was town, and decided to say NOTHING about it. I mean, town have decided it would be fun to just straight up throw this game, but what are the chances two townies decide to do that? I think this scenario can be ruled out, and StDs answer seems to imply the second, anyhow.

The other scenario, and the one that StD seems to suggest we are in, is that he was actually townreading me yesterday, and then reconsidered when he say that T3 was in fact, a mislim. I'm going to ask you all to reflect if any of you seriously thought that T3 was going to flip green there, and if so, why you didn't speak up sooner. I think we ALL (with the exception of the 2 scum) expected a red cad there; so StD actual case is "Looking back at it with hindsight, Val started a push on T3 that ended up wrong".

You know, I could possibly buy that that might be grounds for a little bit of suspicion, a reason to start looking at a slot. If we are seriously going to start scumreading anyone who is wrong about anyone, we are in some trouble, but the reason THAT makes no sense in this context is that catboi was ALSO pushing that wagon; as he said himself, there wouldn't have been a T3 wagon without him, and yet, StD says nothing about Catboi, in fact, he gives him a strong townread. If StD was truely re-evaluating postflip, I think catboi would have had to take some flack too - after all, StD has been playing long enough to know it's easier as scum to move forward with a miswagon someone else has started that to invent an entirely original and plausible enough case on a townie to start a wagon from scratch.

i wasn't scumreading you yesterday. i looked back at the game this morning and decided something you said was scummy. shocking.

i changed my mind though so i guess pushing you worked in that regard.

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hmmm. hmm. hhmmmmmmhhhmmm.

i thought it was interesting because i wonder what he was thinking.

VOTE: Meg

I'm not seeing the progression here. This straight up looks like a flail.

i mean i scumread meg, did i not?

Meg doesn't show up in your ISO until 579. You had nothing to say on the slot until then, hence the lack of progression.

What happened to your scum read on Wu? I'd think you'd jump on him here considering you actually tried to build a case on him before. I've offered him as a PoE choice and you haven't even said anything about it.

i didn't say much of anything, the progression came when i reread the game this morning and decided to push val and meg.

i changed my mind on wu. call it a gut read but i think wu's town at this point.

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And it just so happened to completely escape your attention that very shortly after, navigator came out with a strong townread on me?

yes

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Nah, there was another reason that out of EVERYTHING you could have included in your short selection of things you wanted people to look at at comment on, you included that. Your sudden 180 seems like its trying to sell me (and maybe the rest of the thread) that you did so accidently, that've youve now realised your mistake and you don't want to go intot he anti-town discussion you know would result.

what 180

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where i stopped voting for you? you haven't figured out why someone who's town would stop voting for you?

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where i stopped voting for you? you haven't figured out why someone who's town would stop voting for you?

No, I'm struggling to figure out why someone who is town, who apparently saw what you saw, voted me in the first place; let alone posted that quote to the thread.

You don't understand why that was scummy as fuck?

no

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did you ever make your case against me or is it entirely based on me saying interesting to something

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val is town

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a while ago

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look i don't really understand the case against me but i don't think it's val anymore. i think i was just jumping at something i saw when rereading yesterday and i think he's forcing it to match his confirm biased worldview that i'm scum.

i don't think you should lim me today because we've already lost a townie to whatever the hell T3 did and i'd hate to lose another just to my shitty attempt to get back into the game.

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you don't think it's possible i just did a shit job at rereading/skimming the game?

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why not

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i'm trying to understand what your case against me is and i don't

i don't think that's unreasonable to ask

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V/LA 7/31-8/1

been busy. kinda still waiting for Val to provide a case on me that isn't "look at how scummy STD is"

you know, like the reason he was scumreading me before I came into the thread today

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VOTE: val

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i think you (Val) spent the entire day convincing yourself i was scum without actually having a reason and now you're just doubling down on it trying to grasp at any straw that could make me look slightly bad

otherwise you would have given your case against me by now that isn't "look how STD responded to the fact i had no case on him!"

because it's shocking that a townie would be upset that someone was coming at them without spelling out their case

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damn

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damn

what do you think is goin on w this game

i think too many vanilla townies are claiming mason

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in seriousness i'm not quite sure. i can find town justification for everyone but the val slot at the moment.

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damn

what do you think is goin on w this game

i think too many vanilla townies are claiming mason

Is that meant to be implying something about Val

1 is too many

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that is indeed why i moved my vote from val

and why i voted val at the beginning of the day

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still happy with my vote

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holy crap i thought i was fucked when i said vanilla townies kept claiming mason lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo

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gg roden you did a great job i'm sorry i was a terrible partner lol