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[Salsabil Faria]

Hi guys!

VOTE: Saudade

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi guys!

u scum?

100%!

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Hi guys!

VOTE: Saudade

*Visibly overreacting*

*Visibly ignoring*

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I'm mason

With whom?

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I'm mason

With whom?

you

Oops! Sorry mate, didn’t check the pt that moment

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Hi guys!

u scum?

100%!

gottem ez

do u hyperpost often? thats alot of small posts in a row

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I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

and your partner is?

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ive decided im townreading u

can we be townbuddies? :0

yes yes ofc ofc, tho we cant let the mafia know

I know

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Hello.
It's 5am here, and I'm spending the day decorating:(

That's a productive thing to do, mafia is garbage

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[Progressionless post until MaxTheFox arrives]

Why are you waiting for her?

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ive decided im townreading u

can we be townbuddies? :0

yes yes ofc ofc, tho we cant let the mafia know

I know

VOTE: salsa Bill

This is my real name which you're mocking without my permission, not cool buddy!

UNVOTE: Saudade

VOTE: geraintm

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I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

and your partner is?

Saudade

Hmmmmmmm

[Salsabil Faria]

I am masons with your mum

What's with you with people's mum

[Salsabil Faria]

I am masons with your mum

What's with you with people's mum

hes masons with them duhhhh

but why with the mothers only, why not with fathers, brothers or sisters or even better granparents???

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Hi I'm a miller

How serious is your claim?

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Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

Hi guys!

VOTE: Saudade

*Visibly overreacting*

*Visibly ignoring*

NM, Salsa, and Saudade are also town. Manatee is another potential mafia.

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^quotes are because I thought geraint also wasn't voting, was wondering why manatee did not ask geraint. But I had forgotten 59, thought geraint only made 1 post

But you voted

Titus

instead of

ManateeDude

.

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geraint is town btw

How??

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geraint is town btw

I'm fairly sure you say this in every game we are in

is he wrong????

good question

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on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

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Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

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This is my third game on MS. My previous two games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86642 - Scum. Proud of this one.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913 - Town. Not proud of this one because I was busy and lurked and made myself sus.

nobody cares

It’s her intro post, like

Not_Mafia

has, be nice.

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Propose an alternative

Your mum

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I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?

[Salsabil Faria]

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

I'm not even sure if anyone is actually serious now.

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I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?

r u scum

Hi guys!

u scum?

100%!

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geraint is town btw

How??

He got a town role pm

How town!you would know that??

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on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

Which ones are scum indicative?

This isn't the answer of my question and their posts are either NAI or fluff so far.

UNVOTE: geraintm

VOTE: OMO

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Disagree. Hilarious.

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@Mod

, V/LA till 21st July, I'll have a religious festival in my country tomorrow.

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@Mod

, V/LA till 21st July, I'll have a religious festival in my country tomorrow.

Eid Mubarak

Thank you so much!! But how did you know???

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I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?

hate this post.
+1 on my scum index

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Don't like how quickly Saudade has let go of his hate boner

You're trying

Not_Mafia

, last game with me where you were also trying but as scum..... Hmmmmmmmmm

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Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.

We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.

This mentioning PR part seems TMI.

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The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

Umm, what happened in between??

seeing this level of depth of thought from you is refreshing because it tells me you're very likely town as I correctly vibed you out to be, although I may not necessarily agree with your conclusions(I'm partially convinced? I like what you noticed but I had Roden as town so I'm a bit biased towards not being wrong xD), I think the thought process you are displaying is towny.

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VOTE: Rodent
Kyo town?

Seems so, why you're so surprised?

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I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.

do u usually play like this..?

Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.

Let me take you through the reasoning again since you seem to not follow, based on you a) saying my read is unreasonable and b) calling my read hypocritical.

1. Roden's ISO up to 172 seems content to participate in RVS.
2. Roden, in 172, complains that RVS is going on too long. Conclusion: Roden wants to move the game out of RVS. Up to this point, the thought process tracks. You

were

fine to participate in RVS, but now you are tiring of it.
3. In 173, immediately afterward, you ask omo how serious their hero solve is. In good faith, this can be seen as an attempt to get the conversation moving

away

from RVS. To this point, your purported stance on RVS and your actions still track with one another.
4. Things of interest that could be commented on occur while you are offline

Spoiler: The things that happened, raw quotes, no context

Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...

In what way isn't it?

on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

Which ones are scum indicative?

on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

Which ones are scum indicative?

This isn't the answer of my question and their posts are either NAI or fluff so far.

UNVOTE: geraintm

VOTE: OMO

Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...

In what way isn't it?

The burden of proof is on you, you accused me first.

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

It's scummy because it gets in the way of town's discussion. Especially since RVS is pretty much over.

And answer my question, with how you're dodging people's questions I'm happy to lock my vote onto you.

Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me

Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.

Also VOTE: Marcistar masons unite on this

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I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?

vote whoever.
im voting looker because i felt like the whole "waiting on max" thing was just them making excuses to not post. and my vote kept, because i don't really like his posting following manatees questioning them.

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

don't think what they've been doing is really scummy rn, the game was not really serious and they seem to have been trying to drive it into serious zone.

Max has reacted alright to the few votes thrown at him actually

[color=8040FF]I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?[/color]

hate this post.
+1 on my scum index

Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

looker looking like a good policy lim on top of the fact i dont really dont TR them at all

Don't like how quickly Saudade has let go of his hate boner

Why are Women voting Titus? Is she a misogynist?

tbh, i remember reading the vote count.. and i was just confused who women was because i dont remember there being someone named that.. am i remembering wrong?

Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

I confused owo with Manatee - it's all pink and blue

"cliquey" are u saying thats scummy..? whats making you want to use that to go after her instead of me..?
and, if ur confusing owo with manatee, why did u not switch onto manatee once u realized this mistake?

5. In 218, when you return, your immediate post is "Didn't get an answer to this." Your question was directed at omo, and if you had read to know he didnt answer you, you would have also seen he was husy engaging with one of the scumreads in his hero solve. A more appropriate follow up for town that was tring to sort omo would be to comment on his interaction with Max, or follow up with a question asking him to explain his read on Marci or Manatee, as it seems clear that he is serious about Max, and by extension, should be serious about the others.

In my opinion, you should have been commenting on the action from 4. 218 is the kind of post that scum makes to give the appearance they are genuinely scumhunting: "look everyone, when he didn't answer my question, I didnt forget about it. Call me town because I'm following through with this" - I used to do this as scum all the time. I would re-iso myself constantly and make sure everyone had answered my questions and if they had not, I would get loud about it. Because a lot of people will form scumreads because "this person is asking questions but isn't drawing meaningful conclusions", or "... but doesn't seem to care when they go unanswered"

There is the reasoning.

a) My read on you is not unreasonable.
b) The basis of my read is that you did not comment on things that could take the game out of RVS when you purport to be tiring of it. There is nothing hypocritical about my read, because I did not say I was tiring of RVS (though I was, and was having difficulty forming reads), and am bringing something that gets the ball rolling instead of doing very little about it and trying to make it look like I am doing more than I am.

To say my read is hypocritical is to show that you are not trying to understand my thought process. If you had tried to understand it, you would have known what my issue with you was, and you would not accuse me of being hypocritical. It shows you are thinking at a shallow level by reducing my read on you to "Roden didnt comment on everything so he is scum" and trying to flip that reduction around on me and call me hypocritical for not commenting on everything.

Ok, I'm convinced to vote

Roden

but my current SR

OMO

also voted them and I don’t think scum need to buss this early. I'll decide after finishing the catch-up ig.

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UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

He's the only one who is actually trying to play the game.

Scum!Not_Mafia is usually happy to troll.

and I saw the opposite.

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VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

Agreed

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Side note but I'd rather avoid the song and dance of taking me to E-1 to get me to claim. I'm telling you now that it's a waste of time and that I don't really want to bother defending myself for the next few days over literally nothing. So if y'all want me to claim now just say the word.

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I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

and your partner is?

Saudade

Is it a serious claim?

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@kyouko do you know who I am yet btw, if so let's townblock here :3

No idk who you are

But I do think saudade is town. You I'm not sure of yet

remember a person in your last game called taco.. haha, not the guy who faked a guilty on a townie that would be pretty cringe, but yeah

Wait, you're DkKoba or not???

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you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

You townread Looker for no reason in an attempt to pocket him because you know this slot is town from your beautiful mafia perspective

Agreed.

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i think owo would be town..? i dont see anything wrong with them

What’s your take on

OMO

's read about

goofball

and despite TR

Roden

, sheeped

ssbm

to vote

Roden

in the next few posts?

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VOTE: Titus

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next person to back up their opinion via a vibe check will be sent to the shadowrealm to join looker

I'm vibing with you

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I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

UNVOTE: OMO

VOTE: Dwlee99

and I'm still SR

OMO

FYI... Not sure about

Roten

atm.

[Salsabil Faria]

[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there

Hmm, not a bad read-list...to me

Roden

,

Not_Mafia

and

Titus

are still in null list, you can take my place and

marci

is in

Titus

's place on your list.

[Salsabil Faria]

[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there

I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.

No, it’s not.

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Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.

How?

So their ISO is not awful to you?
What are your reads atm?

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Just the two of us!

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VOTE: Titus

This has been adressed

Yeah, saw that later. It’s my posting style basically, if you already addressed something, don't have to mention it for me again

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oh boy here we go pirating again

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[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there

I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.

No, it’s not.

???

You voted Dwlee?

Or are you referring to the playstyle comment? Because first thought was that you were referring to the ISO comment.

Playstyle comment

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The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

Umm, what happened in between??

seeing this level of depth of thought from you is refreshing because it tells me you're very likely town as I correctly vibed you out to be, although I may not necessarily agree with your conclusions(I'm partially convinced? I like what you noticed but I had Roden as town so I'm a bit biased towards not being wrong xD), I think the thought process you are displaying is towny.

You are not reading my posts at all, seeing as you still think I don't have any reasoning for Looker

Your reasoning for

Looker

slot mainly NAI, vibe + gut isn't enough to strongly townread anyone.

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Upon skim the Titus vote stands.

In the last game she was the same, but you were more chatty, what change?

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Also as a sidenote, salsa is probably town because town them is not very good at reading people with my playstyle. Was convinced i was scum in our last game when i was town af

Your

town af

ass fake claimed guilty on another

town slot

and successfully eliminated them without re-considering what the slot was saying because of your

urge.to.be.right.all.the.freaking.time

!

Your playstyle benefits scum!you more because people often (?) townread you for that but town!you benefit scum more with your playstyle as you sometimes (?) become a pain in the ass for the town.

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I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?

hate this post.
+1 on my scum index

Oh, I hate any player who is asked to be led to a vote, and not using their own reasong and logic.
I'll try and call it out everytimw I see it, but this week has been awful. 4 days to redo the girls bedrooms and then clear up the mess.

My every vote so far has its own reason and logic, I asked the question mainly to understand their reasonings and logic for their scumreads.

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Titus/Geraintm/???

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What’s your take on

OMO

's read about

goofball

and despite TR

Roden

, sheeped

ssbm

to vote

Roden

in the next few posts?

i dont agree with their read on the goofball slot cuz i had my own opinions from lookers stuff, but i dont think their read is bad.
i forget, can u link where they tr roden and then where they made the vote please..?

The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

Umm, what happened in between??

seeing this level of depth of thought from you is refreshing because it tells me you're very likely town as I correctly vibed you out to be, although I may not necessarily agree with your conclusions(I'm partially convinced? I like what you noticed but I had Roden as town so I'm a bit biased towards not being wrong xD), I think the thought process you are displaying is towny.

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Upon skim the Titus vote stands.

In the last game she was the same, but you were more chatty, what change?

I have less to say and my eyes are glazing over on half of these posts.

VOTE: Rodent
Kyo town?

Seems so, why you're so surprised?

I'm mason
VOTE: SSBM_KYOUKO

and your partner is?

Saudade

Is it a serious claim?

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Are fake guilties really such a common thing?

Depends on the player.

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Are you trying to meta scumread me in a game I rolled mason playing differently from both the game I was VT and the game I was evil?

I don't find any town indicative post from you so far, you're not actively scum hunting but popping up to post for the sake of posting which is scum indicative to me.

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No, I caught Titus. That's very town-indicative.

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Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.

We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.

This mentioning PR part seems TMI.

I don't understand how this seems TMI. How'd you come to this conclusion? The rest of your posting tracks, but this doesn't for me.

They could say town but used the word pr which pinged me.

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Dont link billy joel songs please, for personal reasons

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I think Dwlee realized who the brilliant player is in this table and sheeps him accordingly..........

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Welcome to the townread special.

You get a townread. You get a townread. Everyone gets a townread.

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I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?

hate this post.
+1 on my scum index

Oh, I hate any player who is asked to be led to a vote, and not using their own reasong and logic.
I'll try and call it out everytimw I see it, but this week has been awful. 4 days to redo the girls bedrooms and then clear up the mess.

My every vote so far has its own reason and logic, I asked the question mainly to understand their reasonings and logic for their scumreads.

nah...post 167 was all by itself. you don't get to sit there and say you were asking a question to understand their reasoning when no other person was mentioned in the post.

+1 to scum index. you up to 2 point now

you're a

gross

mafia player.

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Lets lynch Titus

No, I want

Dwlee99

.

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Calling it now. Sausade and Dwlee are partners.

Nah, don't think so...

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Sausade, go cry your child's tears.

You're just saying Titus is bad over and over. I trust any adult to see through that.

Don't ridicule me, I've twice the talent in my left thumb you've exer expressed in your lifetime

gross!

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always down to lynch not_mafia tbh

L

word is now

forbidden

for the players.

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Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.

I just wanted you to play, you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.

Why??

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VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.

I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?

Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.

You only need to catch scum slipping in one way to catch them. I just don't think town!Kyo would push me on "you're lying about your attention span." If it was a chess move the engine would put a big ol ?! next to the move.

towny thought processes, good engagement and pretty good reads dont really fall apart too well under "oh well she should know i dont pay attention"

She specifically pushed me for something she knows I do. That's scummy, idc if she posts a lot of words.

I think you're overestimating how well I know you. We've played 2 games together and have 1 ongoing if I'm remembering right. I died N1 in the game I was town and the game I was scum was a train wreck for my scumteam. So I've had one D1 to read you in completed games and I cant go into detail about the ongoing one. I think in he one I was town in that you ended up being scum and winning as the last living scum.

But I do think you have displayed a comprehension in the past that you are not showing now, and I think it's intentional.

Agreed.

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[ManateeGal], Titus, and Kyo

@roden

I feel like you keep asking me questions I've already answered or saying things about things I've posted that aren't true.

Why are you editing your own post to make your quote look more credible...?

So if I understand correctly, you told me I was misinterpreting your accusation. You aren't suspecting Kyouko just because she voted you. But here you're directly saying you suspect Manatee and Titus because they voted for you. You even throw in Kyouko

again

and say her vote is terrible.

What exactly am I misinterpreting?

Why did you unvote again?

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SCUM LEANS

ManateeDude- I feel like she has scum equity with Max and Marci after we had our back and forth. She occasionally gives town vibes with her posts though, so not a definite scum read.

From your reasoning, she should be in the null list??

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Salsa your push on me over playstyle makes no sense

You said you have attentiveness problem, but not an eye problem!
484

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I was getting the feeling that Dwlee is just a flailing townie.

Hmm...

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I'm here with a runny nose and sneezing, will go to bed... what's the current wagon status? How many days left again?

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Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.

Wait, where is

OMO

?? They suddenly vanished!

UNVOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: OMO

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I was honestly expecting someone last night to make more of an effort to get a wagon going

Does this refer to me?

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Y’all boring

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Salsa your push on me over playstyle makes no sense

You said you have attentiveness problem, but not an eye problem!
484

Since then (and imo a little before) that post I have been scum hunting so I figured that reason didn't really exist anymore. Manateegal is super scummy.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing then, do you have case on her?

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I am the fairy Godmother. You're all children. Some just more lovable than others but I'm not supposed to say that part out loud. Someone broke my precious vase and you’re all blaming each other.

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I swear I can type lol

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Oh you weren't on the vote count so I missed you. Felt like my list was too short

Salsa, omo
Kyo, DGB
NM, Marci, Max, Math
Roden
Geraintm
Titus
Manateegal

Don't know what to say.... The people I'm scumreading are townreading me
Seems like

OMO

or you will not be eliminated today, I'll not vote

Math

and

ssbm

, don't want to vote

Titus

and

Manatee

because they don't ping me as scums yet.
Also don't understand your

Titus

scumread, can you give me a case?

Not feeling well, don't want to do any work atm

[Salsabil Faria]

How do you feel about a policy geraintm or Not Mafia?

Why is Not Mafia so high despite like no posts?

I've no problem ig.
For the reason

Not_Mafia

is getting townnread here, I'm not actually sure about it cause I saw scum!him did that.

[Salsabil Faria]

Pretty sure omo is town here.

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh you weren't on the vote count so I missed you. Felt like my list was too short

Salsa, omo
Kyo, DGB
NM, Marci, Max, Math
Roden
Geraintm
Titus
Manateegal

Don't know what to say.... The people I'm scumreading are townreading me
Seems like

OMO

or you will not be eliminated today, I'll not vote

Math

and

ssbm

, don't want to vote

Titus

and

Manatee

because they don't ping me as scums yet.
Also don't understand your

Titus

scumread, can you give me a case?

Not feeling well, don't want to do any work atm

Can you please not use tiny text?

It’s hard to see when I try to speed read during a work break and I am old with glasses.

Umm... I don't use the tiny font in the game-related content, if you find the tiny font again from me, feel free to ignore

[Salsabil Faria]

++town points for Titus for engaging now in comparison to dwlee who feels pretty frozen

This post is bad given Titus' engaging was just a short catch-up without anything I think she is unlikely to say as scum.

do you have any other reasoning besides that? kyo has been pretty strongly town in most people books and u do look pretty frozen from our perspectives

You only need to catch scum slipping in one way to catch them. I just don't think town!Kyo would push me on "you're lying about your attention span." If it was a chess move the engine would put a big ol ?! next to the move.

towny thought processes, good engagement and pretty good reads dont really fall apart too well under "oh well she should know i dont pay attention"

These posts feel like 1.) Buddying Kyo and 2.) The first post seems like she is talking to me knowing I'm town. The tone feels off if she really thinks I'm evil.

VOTE: Dwlee

Naked vote on a growing wagon being pushed by someone she had as her second or third most scumread player. Her earlier list had Titus and me in a tier, then omo on the bottom. The only update to that was Titus making catch-up posts, a post saying "titus gets town points for that," and then manatee sheeps her. Weird progression imo

I need to read her ISO again to see if what you're saying actually happened but I'm feeling too lazy to do anything

[Salsabil Faria]

I would rather you just not tbh.

Sometimes a meaningless quip is very alignment indicative even if the author doesn’t think so.

[Salsabil Faria]

Titus' vote on me was "OMGUS haha" with no further commentary on my slot other than asking why I didn't have strong reads yet at one point.

[Salsabil Faria]

Titus is actually more likely scum than manatee I think so if people are down for a flash wagon

Hmmmm.....
Fine, will sheep you this time, if anyone from

Titus

and

Manatee

will flip green, you're red... deal?

UNVOTE: OMO

VOTE: Titus

[Salsabil Faria]

Everyone is claiming, now it’s my turn... I'm an ascetic mafia rolecop

UNVOTE: Titus

VOTE: Marci

[Salsabil Faria]

What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was voting

OMO

and

Dwlee

, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against

Titus

or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Read-list

Town:

ssbm

,

Math

,

Titus

,

Roden

Scum:

Dwlee

,

OMO

,

goofball

Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: DGB

whatever

there's absolutely no agreement here and I don't think DGB is that valuable to the gamestate anyways so yeah

I'm hammering this so no shit counterwagon happens because no one wants to go for any of my scumreads and this is at least low in my reads

DGB feels slightly off. I don't want to go into too much detail on it but it feels like DGB is doing a different playstyle this game which is the <> thing. I don't like meta much unless a player has shown they're incapable of surpressing their meta tells.

LMAO! I want to eliminate

Dwlee

today,

OMO

tomorrow,

want to keep them alive to torture

VOTE: Dwlee

[Salsabil Faria]

I still don't think omo is gonna flip scum here but given that I was wrong day one on Rodent feel free to do whatever unless it's killing me in which case that'll make me sad.

[Salsabil Faria]

i actually think dwlee being off wagon in the way he was is a better look for him then the way omo hopped on

Wait, what??? Why not scum!

Dwlee

wouldn’t do that???

[Salsabil Faria]

conftown

voters that were on the end of day DGB wagon and are not confirmed

confscum

Left myself yellow for everyone's convenience

Votecount 1:

DrippingGoofball

(3):

marcistar

,

ManateeDude

,

Titus

Titus

(2):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

omo

(2):

MathBlade

, MaxTheFox

ssbm_Kyouko

(1): Dwlee99
Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
geraintm (1): Salsabil Faria
MaxTheFox (1):

omo

Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Votecount 2:

DrippingGoofball

(4):

marcistar

,

ManateeDude

,

Titus

,

ssbm_Kyouko

omo

(2): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria
MaxTheFox (2):

MathBlade

, Dwlee99

Titus

(1);

Roden

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

marcistar

(1):

omo

Votecount 3:

omo

(4): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria,

DrippingGoofball

,

MathBlade

Roden

(4):

ssbm_Kyouko

,

omo

, Dwlee99,

ManateeDude

DrippingGoofball

(2):

marcistar

,

Titus

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

ManateeDude

(1):

Roden

Votecount 4:

Dwlee99 (4): Salsabil Faria,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Titus

,

ManateeDude

ManateeDude

(2):

omo

, Dwlee99

omo

(2): MaxTheFox,

DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

marcistar

(1):

Roden

Votecount 5:

marcistar

(5):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Salsabil Faria,

omo

,

DrippingGoofball

omo

(3): MaxTheFox,

ManateeDude

,

MathBlade

ManateeDude

(1): Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Votecount 6:

marcistar

(4):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Salsabil Faria,

omo

,

MathBlade

(MathBlade added to the Marci wagon in this VC quote because they voted Marci shortly afterward and were on the wagon at its height)

omo

(2): MaxTheFox,

MathBlade

ManateeDude

(1): Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm

Votecount 7:

DrippingGoofball

(4):

marcistar

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

ManateeDude

,

Roden

Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Fariua

marcistar

(1):

MathBlade

omo

(1): MaxTheFox

ManateeDude

(1): Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Roden

(1):

DrippingGoofball

Votecount 8:

DrippingGoofball

(7):

marcistar

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

ManateeDude

,

Roden

,

Titus

,

MathBlade

,

omo

Roden

(2):

DrippingGoofball

, Dwlee99
Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Faria

omo

(1): MaxTheFox
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Key notes I take from this are that Titus and Marci were on DGB slot early in the day and that when Marci was a wagon, Titus was not on board. I think if there was a bus on D1, it was in omo/MathBlade. Titus was also on the dwlee wagon, and although this is pre-flip, I do think this points further toward town!Titus. MathBlade's reason to vote DGB was "Ditto" that of Titus'. Titus states she TRs everyone on the wagon. This is in line with her play throughout the day. MathBlade, however, was on the Marcistar wagon so I'm going to look back at how he got off of that wagon, because he did pile on to the Marci wagon late and with little reasoning iirc.

I'm locking Marci and Titus for now. Killing Roden could be trying to frame dwlee. Max, geraintm, Salsabil, and Not_Mafia all have weak voting histories D1 and should be inspected toMorrow at the latest. And the points against omo/dwlee/DGB voting patterns still stand.

I've no problem, what do you want to know?
I was pissed of and wanted to replace out but also I didn’t want to take any decision out of rage, so to cool myself off, I took a break. And my self-vote meant f*** y'all.

[Salsabil Faria]

I am more than happy to be inspected tomorrow.
Timing wrong for me to post much as 6pm here, will post more tomorrow.

But I have nothing to add from overnight

Why you're lying?? You want to eliminate me, and O N L Y M E

[Salsabil Faria]

What is wrong with me explaining what I meant to Roden there?

[Salsabil Faria]

I hammered dgb bc it flipped scum in another game and i had to force myself to do so here bc it felt the same here
(Just finished game)

But you townread that slot from the very 1st day here?? Even kept saying I know how to read people stuff???

[Salsabil Faria]

Roden asked me a question and I answered it. What's wrong with my response?

Wait, I misread the situation! For some reason I thought you voted

DGB

, then kept telling you're unsure

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: OMO

[Salsabil Faria]

Roden flipping town should clear me btw lol

[Salsabil Faria]

conftown

voters that were on the end of day DGB wagon and are not confirmed

confscum

Left myself yellow for everyone's convenience

Votecount 1:

DrippingGoofball

(3):

marcistar

,

ManateeDude

,

Titus

Titus

(2):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

omo

(2):

MathBlade

, MaxTheFox

ssbm_Kyouko

(1): Dwlee99
Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
geraintm (1): Salsabil Faria
MaxTheFox (1):

omo

Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Votecount 2:

DrippingGoofball

(4):

marcistar

,

ManateeDude

,

Titus

,

ssbm_Kyouko

omo

(2): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria
MaxTheFox (2):

MathBlade

, Dwlee99

Titus

(1);

Roden

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

marcistar

(1):

omo

Votecount 3:

omo

(4): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria,

DrippingGoofball

,

MathBlade

Roden

(4):

ssbm_Kyouko

,

omo

, Dwlee99,

ManateeDude

DrippingGoofball

(2):

marcistar

,

Titus

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

ManateeDude

(1):

Roden

Votecount 4:

Dwlee99 (4): Salsabil Faria,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Titus

,

ManateeDude

ManateeDude

(2):

omo

, Dwlee99

omo

(2): MaxTheFox,

DrippingGoofball

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

marcistar

(1):

Roden

Votecount 5:

marcistar

(5):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Salsabil Faria,

omo

,

DrippingGoofball

omo

(3): MaxTheFox,

ManateeDude

,

MathBlade

ManateeDude

(1): Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Votecount 6:

marcistar

(4):

Roden

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Salsabil Faria,

omo

,

MathBlade

(MathBlade added to the Marci wagon in this VC quote because they voted Marci shortly afterward and were on the wagon at its height)

omo

(2): MaxTheFox,

MathBlade

ManateeDude

(1): Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

DrippingGoofball

(1):

marcistar

Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm

Votecount 7:

DrippingGoofball

(4):

marcistar

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

ManateeDude

,

Roden

Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Fariua

marcistar

(1):

MathBlade

omo

(1): MaxTheFox

ManateeDude

(1): Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (1):

Titus

Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Roden

(1):

DrippingGoofball

Votecount 8:

DrippingGoofball

(7):

marcistar

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

ManateeDude

,

Roden

,

Titus

,

MathBlade

,

omo

Roden

(2):

DrippingGoofball

, Dwlee99
Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Faria

omo

(1): MaxTheFox
Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Key notes I take from this are that Titus and Marci were on DGB slot early in the day and that when Marci was a wagon, Titus was not on board. I think if there was a bus on D1, it was in omo/MathBlade. Titus was also on the dwlee wagon, and although this is pre-flip, I do think this points further toward town!Titus. MathBlade's reason to vote DGB was "Ditto" that of Titus'. Titus states she TRs everyone on the wagon. This is in line with her play throughout the day. MathBlade, however, was on the Marcistar wagon so I'm going to look back at how he got off of that wagon, because he did pile on to the Marci wagon late and with little reasoning iirc.

I'm locking Marci and Titus for now. Killing Roden could be trying to frame dwlee. Max, geraintm, Salsabil, and Not_Mafia all have weak voting histories D1 and should be inspected toMorrow at the latest. And the points against omo/dwlee/DGB voting patterns still stand.

I've no problem, what do you want to know?
I was pissed of and wanted to replace out but also I didn’t want to take any decision out of rage, so to cool myself off, I took a break. And my self-vote meant f*** y'all.

Nothing in particular right now, but you, geraintm, and Not_Mafia were notably distanced from the DGB wagon by a lack of interaction, and either of your self-votes, or geraintm's vote against you for self-voting, could be construed as ways to keep yourselves off of the DGB wagon because you hoped it would disband like the other wagons of the day.

As scum, I usually look for towncred.
Do you really think me and the decorating guy are scums???

[Salsabil Faria]

Math buried DGB they were town anyways, math is anti d1 bussing iirc

What are you trying to say??

[Salsabil Faria]

Math buried DGB they were town anyways, math is anti d1 bussing iirc

Slight correction:
As scum (which I am not) don’t bus unless I get something out of it. Very rarely do you get something from bussing a buddy D1.

This makes me think possible Marci+DGB+early voter on DGB to save Marci possibly.

I asked for no fast night to try to make sense of the vote patterns and couldn’t which is indicative of a deep wolf.

But I think

Marci

is town, but I'm not sure about

Max

rn,

OMO

also vote her, which is also weird for scum!

OMO

ig.

UNVOTE: OMO

[Salsabil Faria]

I babysat ManateeDude last night. Got work. Will try to post tonight.

Ditto with work.

I have like 0.002% doubt of Titus’s claim and imho she should be treated as conf town even though she is not dead. I think she saw what I was trying to tell her and why Roden probably died. I am not sure how to explain it though without outing really nice snuggly PRs that you bring sugar and spice to.

I think Titus’s babysit was a really good move.

Btw I see what you’re getting at ssbm but as scum I 100% tunnel a certain player for cred here who is pretty much an open PR and force them to claim and then put Titus in a dilemma of if they protect the PR or not.

I had known that this other player was a PR for a while and had been trying not to talk about them.

I'm not sure I agree with Titus's babysit. Not that it's scummy to defend manatee but I would be afraid that i would get shot because a) I'm a claimed babysitter and b) the target I was looking at babysitting was essentially a claimed FN. I would expect scum to shoot me and i wouldn't want to let scum kill 2 PRs with 1 shot.

I guess the idea is if manatee was lying she's scum and if I get shot I take scum with me, but its risky when manatee can clear herself the next morning anyways. If anything, I would wait to babysit manatee until N2, if the person manatee claims to have FNed N1 died N1, or if they FNed a possible buddy like marcistar.

What is FN?

[Salsabil Faria]

manatee was in that game, but as scum. they got turbolimmed d1 and that was what gave me the confidence this game to continue that because I also had scumread them there and in our last normal together so I thought I was on a roll FWIW - I just didn't think I had the votes for it and then settled for DGB at the end.

I want to understand you properly, you scumread

Manatee

because of meta only?

[Salsabil Faria]

[ssbm]
[mathblade, titus, marci]
[Dwlee, Salsa]
[geraint, N_M]
[Max, omo]

i have like two weeks of english work I need to do so I'm going to be away from thread for quite a while

LMAO!

OMO

is going hard for

Max

, remember?

[Salsabil Faria]

just bin em and ignore em thats what I did in our last game and that's what i'm doing again.

And you think by seeing this attitude, I'll still try to read you????

F***ing IGNORE you too

[Salsabil Faria]

here's a better list:

[Kyouko]
[Salsa, MB, Manatee, Marci]
[NM, Titus]
[gerain, dwlee]
[max]

Not going to ignore you
Since when you scumread

Dwlee

??

[Salsabil Faria]

omo did u miss the whole im conftown bit

What is happening? Why you're conftown and how???
Did everyone of you scramble your roles on D1????

[Salsabil Faria]

@Titus, why did you choose to babysit Manatee? What was the thought process?

Manatee was a widely suspected slot. I wanted it to be alive to correct the beliefs about themselves or worst case he'd die and it would be dispelled. The protect was about the day play. I knew the risk and did it anyway.

i know the dude can be offputting but im a she. im assuming you missed my FN soft?

Just kill me!!!
I still don’t know what is FN

[Salsabil Faria]

and now we just play the waiting game of waiting for Max to show up and explain their lack of interaction with DGB

Hmm...

VOTE: Max

[Salsabil Faria]

I saw the vote colors while I was driving. I can't remember who did it but thank you.

Also, I got a job from one of my bigger clients. I still need to keep it but it's great. It may effect my posting rate.

Good luck!

[Salsabil Faria]

I already cased her dude.

I think max should be the elimination today unless she has a provable claim or an invest we can give time to get results.

Not mafia said omo wagon was too easy which is good posting.

Are you the deepwolf

Dwlee

?
This game is tough

[Salsabil Faria]

Can max just claim next post btw

I'm a VT. If you kill me, get omo next.

dude!

[Salsabil Faria]

Why claim lmfao
They need to explain their dayplay, I don't give a shit what they claim, it doens't clear their dayplay up. We already had a self clear role claim so there's 0 chance of that here.

Explain

your

dayplay first, as I and others asked you several times.

Lowkey

OMO

's play style will always be scummy to me, but agenda wise I think they're town here.
On the other hand, I gave you a benefit of doubt in D1 but now I think you're using this

lurking

attitude to stay away from the limelight as scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

[ssbm]
[mathblade, titus, marci]
[Dwlee, Salsa]
[geraint, N_M]
[Max, omo]

i have like two weeks of english work I need to do so I'm going to be away from thread for quite a while

LMAO!

OMO

is going hard for

Max

, remember?

I guess Manatee thinks there's cross-bussing going on or something?

Which is a weird thing to think

[Salsabil Faria]

Why claim lmfao
They need to explain their dayplay, I don't give a shit what they claim, it doens't clear their dayplay up. We already had a self clear role claim so there's 0 chance of that here.

Explain

your

dayplay first, as I and others asked you several times.

Lowkey

OMO

's play style will always be scummy to me, but agenda wise I think they're town here.
On the other hand, I gave you a benefit of doubt in D1 but now I think you're using this

lurking

attitude to stay away from the limelight as scum.

Just my playstyle I guess. Unlike my last town game I actually have time to post right now.

Do you catch up fully? If so, can you give a read-list if possible?

[Salsabil Faria]

im lurking rn cos i dont want to go to my computer and actually type things max and salsa come talk 2 me

We didn’t say you are lurking
What do you want to talk about?

[Salsabil Faria]

I said im lurking. salsa what r ur thoughts on max rn? you lay down a vote but im curious how serious it was

Said already, I think her lurking in this game is scum indicative, the vote on her is moderately serious. Like

Math

, I also think now we have at least one deepwolf (considering both

Dwlee

and

OMO

are town).

You said you claimed FN, what is FN?

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm townreading

OMO

more than

Dwlee

though, they're in null pile mainly, can be the deepwolf ig.

[Salsabil Faria]

Friendly Neighbour

From wiki:

A Friendly Neighbor can target a player at Night to tell them that they are Town. The target will receive a message saying that the Friendly Neighbor is Town. This role does nothing else - the Friendly Neighbor does not know the alignment of the person who got the message.

Friendly Neighbor bears no association with the Neighbor role.

Friendly Neighbor is necessarily Town-aligned.

Did you message anyone?

[Salsabil Faria]

FN is friendly neighbour i think

It’s starting to feel weird sir, vote me quickly! Then being busy

[Salsabil Faria]

i can be friendly if need be

@kyouko i trust your judgement here, so give me a little longer to be friendly and it'll do both of us a lot of favours

I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

I think I'm actually fine with this wagon.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

Ditto.

Oh and not sure if anyone saw a recent WWF ad? It’s so cute I just have to share it.



Show love to people <3

Wonderfriends unite!

Not sure if dwlee or omo comes first.

Wonderfriend manatee, what do you think?

Ok, so you message

ssbm

who I strongly townread... welcome in the conftown zone

What do you think about the nk btw? Why scum went for

Roden

but not for any pr claim?

[Salsabil Faria]

Wait, are they thought

Roden

is the pr somehow??
Their flipped green makes

Dwlee

and

OMO

looking bad, but it’s WIFOM which I don’t want to consider instead of the day paly.

[Salsabil Faria]

targeting babysitter is dangerous no matter what and im of the belief mafia missed my soft

Umm, no?? They could kill 2 birds with 1 stone....
From wiki:

A Babysitter may target a player each night to protect them. That player will be protected from one kill aimed at that player directly. However, if a kill succeeds on the Babysitter (rather than the Babysitter's target), the Babysitter's target will die along with the Babysitter.

[Salsabil Faria]

Oh yeah, that's too...
So,

Titus

can also be considered as conftown for that?

[Salsabil Faria]

What if it’s

Max

and

geraintm

? 2 lurkers

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello guys, I get a new solo project which I've to complete between tomorrow (I'm worried af, really want to impress my new boss ), so I'll be less active.

Btw, I'm lost in this game tbh
Last night I was thinking about it, and realized this:

Dwlee

most probably scum here. When

Titus

scramble their role first, iirr,

Dwlee

was the one who suddenly scumread

Titus

strongly and started a wagon on them which indicates scum!

Dwlee

caught the hint and wanted to eliminate

Titus

on the day phase only.

But when no one buying that, they switched to other town wagons (specially

Roden

) and didn’t vote

DGB

at all (but keep sheeping

OMO

for whatever reason, that's why I think

Dwlee

and

OMO

aren’t same aligned) and nk

Roden

to frame

OMO

and get towncred for not voting

DGB

by giving weak reasoning.

I know that's not much + WIFOM, but that's all I have rn.
@

Math

, if

Dwlee

is scum, then we may be not have any deep wolf? And I'm not convinced that

ssbm

is the deep wolf here (if we have any in the 1st place).
And when

Titus

claimed, I don’t think scum!them would know that

DGB

will be eliminated.

UNVOTE: Max

VOTE: Dwlee

[Salsabil Faria]

Im thinking salsa is the elim for today? it seeems pretty cut and dry but im absolutely not sure who buddy is at all

Why me?
When I'll flip town, who will be scums according to you?

[Salsabil Faria]

I am kinda thinking Marci Salsa.

That naked hammer was sus as fuck.

And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.

Again same question, when you see my green flip, what does it tell you?

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

[Salsabil Faria]

If there is a deepwolf it is Kyo, just saying.

If you flip town, I'll consider that but still not convinced.

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

[Salsabil Faria]

i feel incredibly bad for that hammer but like i lowkey didnt know it was a hammer, i thought i would be able to wake up and explain it later.
i should 100% be punished if the numbers call for it

(WAIT GUYS LOWKEY WHATS THE RULES ON SELFVOTING- AM I ALLOWED TO DO IT HERE OR IS THAT AGAINST THE RULES)

No, you're allowed...
Do you use AtE as any alignment?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa just seems scummier.

Which you know very well but still want to eliminate me by knowing my

town

play style.

[Salsabil Faria]

Okay maybe there's credibility to the Salsa/Marci solve if Salsa is going to say we are both suspicious and then vote me.

I'm not going to change my vote, let's see how do you eliminate me

[Salsabil Faria]

I am kinda thinking Marci Salsa.

That naked hammer was sus as fuck.

And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.

Again same question, when you see my green flip, what does it tell you?

That scum would be in control of the game because we didn’t elim Marci.
Then I try again tomorrow.

In a situation like this you always elim the player most likely to be scum and hunt around them.

If for some reason Marci becomes less likely to be scum then we move onto the next most likely.

Assuming someone is scum then aiming for their partner is a recipe for failure.

That's what you're doing by assuming me and

Marci

are scum partners.
As scum, I catch up 1st, then post on the game thread according to that. If I was scum here, then I would know about the hammer from my scum!partner

Marci

and didn’t post a thing yesterday.

[Salsabil Faria]

Thinker

Yeah, keep mocking me.....

Scum!

Dwlee

vs town!

Faria

:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87058

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913

[Salsabil Faria]

Okay maybe there's credibility to the Salsa/Marci solve if Salsa is going to say we are both suspicious and then vote me.

Yeah probably lmao. That's definitely sus. I've also never seen town!Salsabil give up the way she did D1 when she self-voted. She usually shows more effort, and she tends to ping me early when she's town.

1. You clearly don't know me at all.
2. If I never did something before, how do you know that??? It's a silly assumption to make...

We should mass claim, from the bottom up, since we're probably 1 ME away from MELO.
Salsa/Marci/N_M
Dwlee
Me/MathBlade

I think the exact order doesnt matter as long as we follow these tiers. Manatee/geraintm, would either of you reorder these tiers?

VT

[Salsabil Faria]

If you guys decide to eliminate me no matter what, tell me already, I don’t want to waste my time here.

[Salsabil Faria]

Aw I appreciate the faith in me

Of course you will

[Salsabil Faria]

geraint is town btw

How??

He got a town role pm

How town!you would know that??

@Not_Mafia

, don't ignore this time.

[Salsabil Faria]

Also N_M being absent so much could indicate he could have missed the 'friendly' crumb as well, so that bottom 3 are all pairings that would have missed the crumb and not killed manatee for it

Pedit: I've been in 2 games with town!you, I incorrectly SRed you in the first one, and I killed you as scum in the second one because I'd seen how much effort you'll put in as town before.

And thanks for claim, Marci claim next?

That's not true! My effort/activity depends on my rl stuff, which you miss here clearly because I'm busy!

[Salsabil Faria]

The

Dwlee

wagon isn’t working but people scumread this slot from D1....

[Salsabil Faria]

@Math

, your theory-talk is booooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnngggggggg

And I'm lurking, FYI

[Salsabil Faria]

Come on

Not_Mafia

! Tunnel me You owe me that, remember (

didn't be my hydra partner

)?

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa could you at least give me a basic readslist,,, marci too

I give you a juicy POE instead...

POE_01: {

Dwlee

(I'm betting my life on it ) >

Marci

>

Math

(they can be the deep wolf ) >

Not_Mafia

}

Or,

POE_2: {

Dwlee

>

Math

>

Marci

>

Not_Mafia

}

Whatever you choose after my green flip today but if it’s you somehow then I'm happy to loose

[Salsabil Faria]

i think salsabil is gonna flip scum 100%

Of course you'll

think

that now
Btw, how you can be 100% about anyone’s alignment if you're town, hmm??

[Salsabil Faria]

BTW, sorry for spamming but I hope people understand why

actually I don’t

[Salsabil Faria]

As for reads, the order I asked for claims in sums it up for me. I'm TRing Mathblade, mostly for the DGB vote, but also trusting Titus on this a bit. My biggest SRs are Salsabil and I was kinda letting Marci slide by for her place on the DGB wagon D1, before I realized the context of her vote. I thought because we had so many of the same people moving around to multiple wagons on D1 that it would be a good game to try some VCA in but I think it blinded me to Marci.

That hammer was scummy, but I feel like, with 2 miselims left, and having 4 plausible scum, it would be ideal to hit scum today and not be banking on tomorrow. This is the order, with scumreads at the top, then not_mafia is kinda policy, kinda lurk-scummy. I'll get to that. Then Dwlee still has the same points against him from end of D1, and I keep thinking he could possibly be partners with MathBlade, and that's my nightmare scumteam right now because I don't think I'd catch them unless we flip scum!dwlee toDay. And I'm much more confident in Salsa and would rather lim her toDay.

Salsabil - she generally puts in more effort as town I feel like. This game feels subdued, like she's not having meaningful attempts to sort, not as aggressive as usual. Giving up and self-voting while DGB was being wagonee looks very bad as well. I'm most confident in Salsa being scum.
Marci - I had been TRing her because she was one of the wagons from D1 that lead up to DGB, and she was on DGBs wagon at the end of the day. But I think she slipped by because I didn't examine the reason her vote was on DGB. MathBlade's point that the wagon flashed so fast she couldn't get off of it does make sense. We've also seen everyone else but Math and I, and I know I'm town and think Math is too, so I dont think there was an intentional bus. But Marci could still be scum that was stuck on DGB's wagon.
--
Not_Mafia - I see now he's claimed VT but I think "doctor's orders" and "I'm wounded" are obvious doctor softs and considering there are 2 softs in such a small iso I can see scum!Not_Mafia trying to fend off lurker scumreads by softing PR. I think he should have been shot if he was town, and that a town doctor doesnt make sense with a Babysitter, but maybe a mafia Jailkeeper could pretend to be a doctor.

Besides the softs though, he hasn't voted really in this game which makes him a liability in MELO. Self-voted all of D1 and wasn't around to vote on D2.

I did like the comment he made on not liking how quickly saudade lost his hate boner that came up during my iso read of someone else. I didnt think much of it when I first read it but it took deeper reading for me to figure what it meant so I feel like it's indicative of a real thought process that might be hard to fake as scum. It's not enough for me to write him off though, I still find the doctor softs suspicious.
--
Dwlee - I feel like he makes sense with Mathblade or N_M given his stance on Marci and Salsabil, though if he is scum with Marci he is somewhat forced to bus her at this point. I didn't like his position on the D1 wagons and I do think he sheeps too much, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing anything inherently scummy here besides being wrong about DGB. I'm having a hard time recalling anything distinct about him though. I do remember he faked mason at the start of the game and seemed to be buddying me when he voted Roden. And he made omo look scummy with him since the two of them were on other wagons but not DGBs, and then he wouldn't hammer DGB, and omo did instead. He was happy enough to sheep me on Roden at the start of the game, happy to sheep Saudade, but wouldn't hammer DGB. So maybe after writing this I'm thinking he's more suspicious than before.

Pedit: yes I am a VT and seeing as nobody claimed vigilante or another PR, I dont see scum having a need for a doctor or JK (N_M).

Tbh I was expecting someone to claim something weakly swingy like a 1-shot or non-consecutive vig or something which could explain scum!N_M having a protective role and softing doctor.

About me, I change my play style recently.

[Salsabil Faria]

meh, I'm a VT, not a fan of dwlee's reaction

Rest of the players think I'm scum, what's your opinion about it?

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't know where the vote count is at.

What an acting!

[Salsabil Faria]

Not Mafia is a known troll. Look at his signature. Trying to predict him is like trying to predict a fair d20. You might be right 5% of the time but best to force him to play.

3 goons + weak TPR is balanced. Mountainous is very hard on town. (Much as mountainous is one of my favorite setups)
An extremely good (imho) way to balance a setup is start from light PR then counter balance each side.
They added friendly neighbor / innocent child as those PRs.
Then okay town needs a protective to help with PRs…hmmm doctor? No then you have elo problems…then likely swapped it to babysitter to ensure mass claim can’t protect innos.

Then scum don’t have much in the way to hunt and so no PRs needed.

I agree it’s possible Marci was ditzy but not probable. I would rather know if she was ditzy or not going into elo versus take a risk on Salsa or Dwlee. By your argument we could also elim Salsa first then we could easily lose to a different subset.

Yeah but it dlesnt help me that the team I am most likely to lose to if we start Marci is you/dwlee. So I am especially averse to Marci when it is you that wants it. If Salsa flips town I think it triggers reevaluation. But if Marci flips town, I still want Salsa. So I'd rather start Salsa and reevaluate if I'm wrong.

Town can accidentally hammer, but the self-voting was not an accident. I dont think that is in Salsabil's townrange, and frankly, I know from owners market blitz that Marci is easily confused. It is entirely possible she did it by accident. Let's nail one scum today and keep our mislims available to us so we can go to the end with the best possible 3-4 if we mess up.

For argument's sake, let's say Marci is scum though. Who is her partner if not Salsa?

Then you should eliminate me today, to keep me alive for killing me tomorrow = Mafia's win

[Salsabil Faria]

I would say based on these last few pages your stock would diminish greatly if Salsa is town and Marci is scum because you actively tried to derail the Marci elim. Before today if you had asked me that question I would say Dwlee then NM then you but if that was the case throw you all in a pressure cooker and see who comes up.

I know this is a non answer but if we elim Salsa and he’s town that’s a scary proposition here because I have had a feeling a deep wolf was on DGB’s hammer and not having been able to sort there really irks me.

I'm town and a

She

[Salsabil Faria]

why r u against a salsabil elim?

I am kinda thinking Marci Salsa.

That naked hammer was sus as fuck.

And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.

this was what u og said today, but as time went on... salsabil doesn't seem to be on ur mind as much.. is there a reason u decided to just focus hard on me?

1399 does this post still have any weight in ur mind today??

Cause I'm an easy wagon like

Max

's which doesn’t concern you because......

[Salsabil Faria]

why r u against a salsabil elim?

I am kinda thinking Marci Salsa.

That naked hammer was sus as fuck.

And got your message Manatee. You’re still a friendly neighbor.

this was what u og said today, but as time went on... salsabil doesn't seem to be on ur mind as much.. is there a reason u decided to just focus hard on me?

1399 does this post still have any weight in ur mind today??

Cause I'm an easy wagon like

Max

's which doesn’t concern you because......

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

I would say based on these last few pages your stock would diminish greatly if Salsa is town and Marci is scum because you actively tried to derail the Marci elim. Before today if you had asked me that question I would say Dwlee then NM then you but if that was the case throw you all in a pressure cooker and see who comes up.

I know this is a non answer but if we elim Salsa and he’s town that’s a scary proposition here because I have had a feeling a deep wolf was on DGB’s hammer and not having been able to sort there really irks me.

I'm town and a

She

I apologize I am usually better with pronouns as they are important to me.

Not sure about the town part though.

You don't have to be sure, do what

ssbm

's want, eliminate me today... Everything will be clear after that. If you've time, can read my recent games. But leaving me today will cause town's loose over elo, I'm always a miselimination target, also don't think I can convince town ever, so eliminate me it's the best choice for town atm.

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, gotta go... See you never

[Salsabil Faria]

I give you guys 2 propositions:

1. Eliminate me today and

Dwlee

tomorrow.

2. If you want to keep me alive today but eliminate me in the melo/elo, then eliminate

Dwlee

today!

My rl is a mess rn, can't help you that much.

[Salsabil Faria]

O my God!! Don't tell me it's

ssbm

and

Math

then

Yes, I know I said

I'm happy to loose

before, but lowkey I won't

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

[Salsabil Faria]

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

Thanks for the scum claim, who are you trying to save?
Btw, don't remember if I say this already but I don’t buy your

I can read

geraintm

read, it’s sounded TMI. And at that point, if you could really read them correctly (while they were not active that much iirr), then you

should

read me properly too, because you were the mod in one of my scum games and you played with town!me in several game as both alignment. Yes, I change my play style recently but why scum!me will play like this, what benefit I'm having rn?

TL;DR you're scum!

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Salsabil Faria]

No, that whole post is an appeal to Math not to eliminate N_M for bad reasons before the Day ends. We can eliminate him at deadline if we have to, but cutting the day short is giving scum refuge to wait out the day without contributing anything we can use to read them later. Even if N_M is scum, we still have to catch his partner.

2.a. is a case on you. 2.b. is a case on Salsa, and part of my read on Salsa is a pre-flip associative with scum!You,

not

the other way around. The main reason Salsa is scum is her self-voting and ATE in context with the DGB wagon as well as her self-voting and ATE today. I see those as weaker reasons for her to be scum than the reasons posted in 2.a. about you.

Then flip me today, what is stopping you?? After seeing me flip, it'll help you to sort others, that's what you're saying right? Then why you're not pushing me or even better, why you're not convincing anyone to eliminate me today???
I don't recall from how long I want

Dwlee

's elimination over anything but have to take myself back from that because of

you

guys!!
Now, you think I'm scum with

Dwlee

??? Hilarious!

I didn't want to use my own meta before, but you're giving me no choice rn. My scum games so far:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=85994
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=86864

[Salsabil Faria]

Finally I get a page top!

[Salsabil Faria]

I always vote self voters

VOTE: geraintm

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok, going back to lurk

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Dwlee

Reason? Top scumread

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing, is

Manatee

really confirmed?? I mean I know she claimed friendly neighbour and sent pm to

ssbm

but

ssbm

herself not confirmed yet. Are they can be scums??

[Salsabil Faria]

Cows are very caring creatures, they even have best friends.

So you voted me because you don't care about me??? I'm heart broken

[Salsabil Faria]

Another thing, is

Manatee

really confirmed?? I mean I know she claimed friendly neighbour and sent pm to

ssbm

but

ssbm

herself not confirmed yet. Are they can be scums??

that's my lizard brain is thinking

[Salsabil Faria]

@salsabil
We have no reason not to believe manatees claim. If it wasn't true, there would have been an announced way to check it and it would have been by now.

Playing devil's advocate isn't helping town push through eliminations.

Stop putting words in my mouth & twisting my words, if you really want to

help

, I believe you would do that already but guess what?? You're only work here was to be confirmed and chilling after that!!

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Not_Mafia

@

Marci

! no! one! is! at! E-1! so! you! can! vote! anyone! who! you! want!

[Salsabil Faria]

But if you guys decide to eliminate me (at last! Yay!!), I want to hammer myself

[Salsabil Faria]

From my lizard brain:

Town!

Not_Mafia

= Scum!

Dwlee

+ Scum!

Math

Scum!

Not_Mafia

= Scum!

ssbm

/ Scum!

Marci

[Salsabil Faria]

Alright, we got

something

out of Salsa/Marci toward the end at least. I still have the feeling this is going to flip town though.

VOTE: N_M

That we aren’t the vig scum!you desperately looking for to nk??? You can never know you know!

[Salsabil Faria]

I know it is in his signature but if he is town I'm down to just policy eliminate him every game I'm in.

Most of the time it’s policy elimination for him though...
Btw, @

Mod

, how much time we have? And a VC please....

[Salsabil Faria]

Guys, I think

ssbm

is the deep wolf, keeping me alive today is the best strategy for scum!her to achieve my miselimination tomorrow...

[Salsabil Faria]

There is still 22 hours of deadline.

The hammer is happened?

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: salsa

The hammer don't happen yet ig...

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: ssbm

[Salsabil Faria]

I got a pm from Mod saying

Manatee

is town and she

again

votes me today lolol!!

VOTE: ssbm

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

You can start playing newbie games again after seeing my flip.

[Salsabil Faria]

One of the reasons I'm not that much invested in this game because I don’t roll

scum

here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don’t like Salsa voting Kyo here after my vote.

Next time pm me before you'll post here or vote anyone after seeing my vote, I'll not complain.

[Salsabil Faria]

One of the reasons I'm not that much invested in this game because I don’t roll

scum

here.

Another thing, I'm

not

stupid as scum. The mistakes I made here which you think I made as scum, scum!me will never do that, I

always

read the thread.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don’t like Salsa voting Kyo here after my vote.

Next time pm me before you'll post here or vote anyone after seeing my vote, I'll not complain.

That’s against site rules.

You can’t be PMing other players during the game about the game.

And I don’t have to vote somewhere else when I am not sure. This is needle in a haystack and I have two guesses.

Google sarcasm

[Salsabil Faria]

Salsa, you can say that you would be more invested but in what way?

Check any of my completed games, I was more active, actively discussing, properly presenting my thoughts etc.
When I got the pm, I was relaxed to think that as I'll be busy irl, I don’t have to do more in this game as I'm not a tpr or a scum + I wanted to change my play style for some time, which I can experiment here without taking pressure on my back of being a tpr or a scum.

[Salsabil Faria]

One of the reasons I'm not that much invested in this game because I don’t roll

scum

here.

Another thing, I'm

not

stupid as scum. The mistakes I made here which you think I made as scum, scum!me will never do that, I

always

read the thread.

What were these mistakes, and who thought you made them?

You mentioned those already! Interesting fact is that you are thinking as

scum

I did all of this to put all the attention towards my back while having

Not_Mafia

and

DGB

as my scum-partners!! Either you're stupid!town who think I'm stupid!scum or you're the deep wolf who setting up for a LHF miselimination.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don’t like Salsa voting Kyo here after my vote.

Next time pm me before you'll post here or vote anyone after seeing my vote, I'll not complain.

That’s against site rules.

You can’t be PMing other players during the game about the game.

And I don’t have to vote somewhere else when I am not sure. This is needle in a haystack and I have two guesses.

Google sarcasm

Sorry my sarcasm detector is busted.

[Salsabil Faria]

Kyo if you’re sure of your case why are you not voting?

She did actually