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Only if I throw three days in a row again lol.
Triple Masons confirmed?In post 35, Saudade wrote:itt im mason with faria but because i outright claimed im mason with faria no one will suspect im mason with faria
Except that you are all now aware of this possibility so maybe im actually not mason with faria- Roden
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Fair point. I do think I made a little too much noise though, and I let myself get pocketed by Jake since I was so tunneled on DGB.In post 40, Titus wrote:To be fair, you didn't throw. Almost everyone else did.- Roden
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Would you happen to be...Informed?In post 74, oʍo wrote:Hi I'm a miller- Roden
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A Death Neighborizer!?
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Oof, gottem.In post 109, oʍo wrote:Deez Nuts
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Oh no.
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In post 165, Titus wrote:
I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?In post 164, Roden wrote:Oh no.
But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.
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In post 137, oʍo wrote:
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasonsIn post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
How serious is this?In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci- Roden
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Didn't get an answer to this.In post 173, Roden wrote:In post 137, oʍo wrote:
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasonsIn post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
How serious is this?In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci- Roden
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We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.In post 219, Looker wrote:Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.
I'm sorry, what?In post 220, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: {Looker, Roden, ???}
Because I didn't comment on everything and instead want to know how serious an accusation is, I'm scum?In post 221, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS
I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce onIn post 172, Roden wrote:In post 165, Titus wrote:
I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?In post 164, Roden wrote:Oh no.
But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.
Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too longIn post 173, Roden wrote:In post 137, oʍo wrote:
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasonsIn post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
How serious is this?In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.In post 218, Roden wrote:
Didn't get an answer to this.In post 173, Roden wrote:In post 137, oʍo wrote:
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasonsIn post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
How serious is this?In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci
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Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.In post 245, marcistar wrote:
do u usually play like this..?In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
Exactly.In post 246, Saudade wrote:controversial town lean slot with the most votes on him eksdia- Roden
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This is way too long winded for you to just confirm that you think I'm scum because I didn't comment on everything. I'm literally trying to follow up on a question I asked and because I didn't also live react to everything else along the way, I guess that means I have to be scum.In post 253, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
Let me take you through the reasoning again since you seem to not follow, based on you a) saying my read is unreasonable and b) calling my read hypocritical.In post 251, Roden wrote:
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.In post 245, marcistar wrote:
do u usually play like this..?In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
1. Roden's ISO up to 172 seems content to participate in RVS.
2. Roden, in 172, complains that RVS is going on too long. Conclusion: Roden wants to move the game out of RVS. Up to this point, the thought process tracks. Youwerefine to participate in RVS, but now you are tiring of it.
3. In 173, immediately afterward, you ask omo how serious their hero solve is. In good faith, this can be seen as an attempt to get the conversation movingawayfrom RVS. To this point, your purported stance on RVS and your actions still track with one another.
4. Things of interest that could be commented on occur while you are offlineSpoiler: The things that happened, raw quotes, no context
5. In 218, when you return, your immediate post is "Didn't get an answer to this." Your question was directed at omo, and if you had read to know he didnt answer you, you would have also seen he was husy engaging with one of the scumreads in his hero solve. A more appropriate follow up for town that was tring to sort omo would be to comment on his interaction with Max, or follow up with a question asking him to explain his read on Marci or Manatee, as it seems clear that he is serious about Max, and by extension, should be serious about the others.
In my opinion, you should have been commenting on the action from 4. 218 is the kind of post that scum makes to give the appearance they are genuinely scumhunting: "look everyone, when he didn't answer my question, I didnt forget about it. Call me town because I'm following through with this" - I used to do this as scum all the time. I would re-iso myself constantly and make sure everyone had answered my questions and if they had not, I would get loud about it. Because a lot of people will form scumreads because "this person is asking questions but isn't drawing meaningful conclusions", or "... but doesn't seem to care when they go unanswered"
There is the reasoning.
a) My read on you is not unreasonable.
b) The basis of my read is that you did not comment on things that could take the game out of RVS when you purport to be tiring of it. There is nothing hypocritical about my read, because I did not say I was tiring of RVS (though I was, and was having difficulty forming reads), and am bringing something that gets the ball rolling instead of doing very little about it and trying to make it look like I am doing more than I am.
To say my read is hypocritical is to show that you are not trying to understand my thought process. If you had tried to understand it, you would have known what my issue with you was, and you would not accuse me of being hypocritical. It shows you are thinking at a shallow level by reducing my read on you to "Roden didnt comment on everything so he is scum" and trying to flip that reduction around on me and call me hypocritical for not commenting on everything.
I really don't know what else to tell you. The amount of shit you want me to comment on is extremely unreasonable, and I'm the only one you're trying to hold to such a standard.- Roden
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I've literally never played a game with you before? What are you talking about here?In post 258, marcistar wrote:
i dont think its unreasonable, you seem a bit held back this gameIn post 251, Roden wrote:
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.In post 245, marcistar wrote:
do u usually play like this..?In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
do you usually play so go-with-the-flow held back type of style?
And haven't you just been memeing all game and brushing off every accusation toward you?
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This is gross misinterpretation of what I wrote lol.In post 268, ManateeDude wrote:"someone wrote a long read on me early in the game guess im confscum"
ur not quite doing yourself any favours there
What strong response?In post 269, ManateeDude wrote:i think marci was just asking if this is ur normal playstyle? what abt her comment provoked such a strong response from you?
Lmao. Everyone loves to pull the defensive card every time somebody responds to a scum read. This is essentially a non-post. And with the vote attached it's basically a naked vote.In post 271, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Roden
i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy
I wonder if you're trying to draw away attention from Marci and Max after all.
There's nothing to catch.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Is this "caught for the wrong reasons?"In post 271, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Roden
i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy
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I don't think the push is unreasonable no, I think it's a townie thing to do. Your reasoning makes no sense though because you're ignoring the other two players I was talking with as well. All I wanted was follow up on a question I asked, and I don't think I can contribute too well if I poke into several other concurrent conversations. In bigger groups I prefer to spread out the responsibilities of gathering information and scum hunting. I don't usually look into more than a couple things at a time unless something pings me, which hasn't really happened. Otherwise I get overwhelmed.In post 270, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: Not saying you needed to comment on every post in the spoiler, that would be unreasonable. I did expect to see something different from you from context though - something that matched the context of omo's interactions with Max at least, or a comment on one of the other subjects under discussion.
I'll assume since you're now saying that expecting you to comment on everything was unreasonable that you're no longer saying the push itself is unreasonable and leave it at that for now.- Roden
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Of course it's defensive, I'm not gonna agree with a scum read on me lol. That's why I said your vote post was honestly just a non-post. Saying somebody is defensive means nothing and is more likely to come from scum looking for an easy justification for voting someone.In post 296, ManateeDude wrote:do you not think ur response to kyoukos read on you was defensive?
If defensiveness was AI then Mafia would be a solved game. That obviously isn't true however, yet your vote seems to reflect that kind of thought process.- Roden
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Does this change your own reasoning? I don't think it really matters what I think of myself.In post 299, ManateeDude wrote:
this statement implies you don't think you're being defensive which is why I asked youIn post 294, Roden wrote: And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.
How can someone be too defensive? It's not like I had a meltdown, I didn't even OMGUS vote and instead said Kyouko was town despite the accusation. I don't think your statement here has much going for it tbh.ManateeDude wrote:my statement was i think you are being TOO defensive given the circumstances- Roden
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Why haven't you accused Marci then? She got accused multiple times and just responded with GIFs. She even admitted she doesn't feel like responding to them, which is honestly worse than getting defensive. Not even IMO, just objectively that is worse to ignore accusations and drown them out with memes.In post 309, ManateeDude wrote:responding prematurely and snarkily to a single scumread meets my definition of "too defensive"
Worried how? You literally just said my response was premature and snarky. But now I waited until I was getting wagon'd and got overly worried? This is a pretty blatant contradiction.In post 313, ManateeDude wrote:yea i just think its suuuper weird with how u responded to the push given at the time of that post you had like 3-4 votes on you at that point
your response to the scumread on you is overly worried and i feel it echoes someone elses statement abt u possibly feeling "scumread for the wrong reason"
Looker slot kind of. But not really for the right reasons. You're feeling very townie too though I wouldn't call you obvtown.In post 315, Saudade wrote:to be fair there hasn't been a single obvtown in this game so far and that's a bit worrying
ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: omo
i like this more and more
You gave up on me really quickly.ManateeDude wrote:i dont really want to vote roden rn esp considering the weird "i'll claim now" post that i'll need to revisit now
There's not a lot to read into with my claim post. It's pretty obvious scum bait because only scum has reason to encourage me to claim. I also just don't want to waste time building up a wagon just to dissolve it a couple IRL days from now, we're better off just scum hunting.- Roden
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Last mini normal I had with Geraintm had him basically inactive until final three ELo and he was town. Like I don't want to be mean but he literally just complained all game and didn't really try to solve. Him being inactive here again is likely just NAI but confbias makes it a town lean personally.In post 358, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Tbh I forgot about geraintm- Roden
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Your suspicions all look like scummy intent to me, so yes. I'm not too focused on contradictions though because every time I look at those to scum read somebody they almost always end up town. I think scum would be more mindful to avoid contradicting themselves, while town tends to post more off the cuff without necessarily making sure they're always consistent.In post 367, ManateeDude wrote:roden do you still scumread me or r u just looking for contradictions in the way i posed things
But again, I don't think your intentions come from a town mindset. Contradictions aside, you're still scrambling to get a wagon going and force attention on other people. Maybe to cover for a scum buddy who previously had suspicion on them?- Roden
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I already have.In post 374, ManateeDude wrote: do tell then! if ur looking for motivation behind my posts you should be seeking out a possible buddy instead of vaguely mentioning it as a possibility
In post 173, Roden wrote:In post 137, oʍo wrote:
translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasonsIn post 135, ManateeDude wrote:general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai
How serious is this?In post 102, oʍo wrote:Hero solve: Max + Manatee + MarciIn post 277, Roden wrote:
Lmao. Everyone loves to pull the defensive card every time somebody responds to a scum read. This is essentially a non-post. And with the vote attached it's basically a naked vote.In post 271, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Roden
i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy
I wonder if you're trying to draw away attention from Marci and Max after all.In post 359, Roden wrote:
Why haven't you accused Marci then? She got accused multiple times and just responded with GIFs. She even admitted she doesn't feel like responding to them, which is honestly worse than getting defensive. Not even IMO, just objectively that is worse to ignore accusations and drown them out with memes.In post 309, ManateeDude wrote:responding prematurely and snarkily to a single scumread meets my definition of "too defensive"- Roden
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Interesting to note that Max's last vote had her town lean Manatee ("trust me" is a horrible reason to do so btw), then abruptly stopped posting. Manatee then started throwing a bunch of suspicion around the moment Max started to lay low. It looks like somebody's buddy trying to get attention off of them after a rough start.
And again, Manatee seems to be giving Marci a free pass for things she's accused other people of doing. She won't even acknowledge it when I bring it up either.
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Who's my predecessor?ManateeDude wrote:in response to marci while i dont have her at the top of my townreads i havent derived scum motivation and i also pressed your predecessor. its pretty obvious i was trying to gage a reaction from you and i didnt need to do that with marci yet
And why don't you need to pressure Marci "yet"? Why is that time sensitive? Why can't you pressure more than one person at a time when I got scum read for not doing exactly that?- Roden
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Does scum!Titus usually play the way she has this game i.e. low key with sparse posts? Last mini normal she played as a "too good to be true" townie and won.In post 378, Saudade wrote:
If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titusIn post 353, ManateeDude wrote:saudade talk to me abt titus vote- Roden
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I'm not being given much of a reason to think otherwise atm. Why are the three of you so opposed to scum reading each other?In post 386, marcistar wrote:
hmm, so do u actually think its me x manatee x max?In post 381, Roden wrote:Interesting to note that Max's last vote had her town lean Manatee ("trust me" is a horrible reason to do so btw), then abruptly stopped posting. Manatee then started throwing a bunch of suspicion around the moment Max started to lay low. It looks like somebody's buddy trying to get attention off of them after a rough start.
And again, Manatee seems to be giving Marci a free pass for things she's accused other people of doing. She won't even acknowledge it when I bring it up either.
Oh. I thought that's what you were trying to lead into, whoops.In post 387, Saudade wrote:
idk ??In post 384, Roden wrote:
Does scum!Titus usually play the way she has this game i.e. low key with sparse posts? Last mini normal she played as a "too good to be true" townie and won.In post 378, Saudade wrote:
If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titusIn post 353, ManateeDude wrote:saudade talk to me abt titus vote- Roden
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What theory crafting? I looked at your interactions after you literally told me to do so.In post 388, ManateeDude wrote:roden i think ur focusing on theorycrafting instead of reading.
u responded defensively to a vote on you. marci didnt respond in a way i scumread regardless of whether it was objectively good or bad
Your refusal to even look at Marci is what's pinging me. You actually got very defensive of her yourself when I voted her. Why is that?- Roden
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Not what I said. It's just strange that all three of you had zero suspicions on each other despite not really interacting much or even questioning each other.In post 395, marcistar wrote:
should i scumread people who i dont actually think are scum???In post 390, Roden wrote:Why are the three of you so opposed to scum reading each other?
-i feel sort of like max needs to post more before i would be able to have a confident read on them
-manatee, i had a fairly big townread on before, but im not as sure anymore as of recently. ^.^
I just read the post where you got defensive of Marci. You immediately jumped in and voted me and defended her the moment I voted her.In post 396, ManateeDude wrote:
i literally just clarified a pretty obvious point that u didn't read properly? im not sure how that adds up to "very defensive"In post 393, Roden wrote:
What theory crafting? I looked at your interactions after you literally told me to do so.In post 388, ManateeDude wrote:roden i think ur focusing on theorycrafting instead of reading.
u responded defensively to a vote on you. marci didnt respond in a way i scumread regardless of whether it was objectively good or bad
Your refusal to even look at Marci is what's pinging me. You actually got very defensive of her yourself when I voted her. Why is that?
Can you explain this? Because this sounds like a fake observation. A major part of Mafia is analyzing interactions, and brushing that off as just useless theory crafting is not a good look.In post 399, ManateeDude wrote:Roden i think ur theorycrafting bc ur reading into normal interactions on a way deeper level- Roden
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I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.In post 404, ManateeDude wrote:[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
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so this is out there- Roden
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???In post 449, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 413, Roden wrote:
I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.In post 404, ManateeDude wrote:[Saudade, ssbm, max]
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so this is out thereNo, it’s not.
You voted Dwlee?- Roden
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Or are you referring to the playstyle comment? Because first thought was that you were referring to the ISO comment.In post 458, Roden wrote:
???In post 449, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 413, Roden wrote:
I agree about Dwlee's placement the most here. Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.In post 404, ManateeDude wrote:[Saudade, ssbm, max]
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so this is out thereNo, it’s not.
You voted Dwlee?- Roden
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Different how?In post 505, Titus wrote:
Why does your tone sound different than the last time we played together?In post 294, Roden wrote:VOTE: ManateeDude
So you're saying you're not paying attention and just sheeping the first player to make a detailed scum read? And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.
That makes sense honestly.Titus wrote:
My posting depends on real life. After that, I prioritize deadline games and elo games. D1 RVS stage I hate, so it's my lowest priority.In post 384, Roden wrote:
Does scum!Titus usually play the way she has this game i.e. low key with sparse posts? Last mini normal she played as a "too good to be true" townie and won.In post 378, Saudade wrote:
If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titusIn post 353, ManateeDude wrote:saudade talk to me abt titus vote- Roden
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I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.- Roden
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This feels like a genuine response, at least.In post 548, Titus wrote:
Don't ask me to quantify a tone read. I can't.In post 525, Roden wrote:Different how?
My tone kinda just changes between games, depending on how my last game or so went.- Roden
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I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.In post 544, Roden wrote:
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.- Roden
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Restate your accusation then. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not gonna let you gaslight me into thinking I misread what was a very blatantly lazy retaliation post from you against Kyouko.In post 555, Dwlee99 wrote:
You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.In post 552, Roden wrote:
I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?In post 549, Dwlee99 wrote:
Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.In post 544, Roden wrote:
I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?In post 535, Dwlee99 wrote:VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.- Roden
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Xbox Live vibesIn post 597, Saudade wrote:In post 594, Dwlee99 wrote:Mason buddy c'mon you can't be saying the L-word so muchSpoiler:- Roden
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Yeahhhh...In post 606, ManateeDude wrote:
its a lot harder to townread someone being an assholeIn post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
Kinda wondering if this is gonna be a game where town cannibalizes itself Days 1 and 2 while scum just lays low for free.- Roden
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I just wanted you to play, you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?In post 619, Dwlee99 wrote:Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.
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I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.- Roden
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Why are you editing your own post to make your quote look more credible...?In post 622, Dwlee99 wrote:
@rodenIn post 612, Dwlee99 wrote:[ManateeGal], Titus, and Kyo
I feel like you keep asking me questions I've already answered or saying things about things I've posted that aren't true.
So if I understand correctly, you told me I was misinterpreting your accusation. You aren't suspecting Kyouko just because she voted you. But here you're directly saying you suspect Manatee and Titus because they voted for you. You even throw in Kyoukoagainand say her vote is terrible.
What exactly am I misinterpreting?- Roden
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You changed the content and formatting completely. The original post didn't look like the hero solve you tried to make it look like afterwards at all.In post 646, Dwlee99 wrote:I edited "you" to Manatee for readability... Dude what
What terrible reasons? Were my reasons good then?In post 647, Dwlee99 wrote:And it isn't that they're voting me alone. It's that they're voting me for terrible reasons. That's scummy- Roden
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That's the issue then. You can't just scum read everyone who votes in a way you don't like. By your logic, there should be at least four scum in the game, and you've played long to know that just isn't true. You should know better than that by nowIn post 649, Dwlee99 wrote:Except based on context it's very clearly who I'm scum reading.
I don't even remember why you voted me so I don't know. They probably weren't good reasons if I had to bet based on our conversations.- Roden
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You keep saying this but you've refused to clarify or explain any of your reads for the past few pages now. I've even asked you to but you've ignored my requests.In post 654, Dwlee99 wrote:
I feel like you just aren't understanding my posts if you still think I scumread people solely for voting where I don't like.In post 651, Roden wrote:
That's the issue then. You can't just scum read everyone who votes in a way you don't like. By your logic, there should be at least four scum in the game, and you've played long to know that just isn't true. You should know better than that by nowIn post 649, Dwlee99 wrote:Except based on context it's very clearly who I'm scum reading.
I don't even remember why you voted me so I don't know. They probably weren't good reasons if I had to bet based on our conversations.
Terrible vote and reasoning. Thanks for claiming scum.In post 655, MathBlade wrote:
Heheheheh.In post 653, DrippingGoofball wrote:
When does a joke become a dad joke?In post 625, MathBlade wrote:What dad joke?
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Gonna produce some content?
Also Roden’s post sucks. FoS’s can be on more players than scum. It’s also possible there’s four scum we don’t know
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You're literally reading RVS. This can't be a genuine question...
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TOWN READS
Kyouko- Probably the closest we have to obvtown.
DGB- Looker spewed town before they replaced in.
TOWN LEANS
Not_Mafia- He's been inactive the past couple days but he was actually trying to solve early on.
Titus- She's not trying too hard to look town, she's actively trying to gain information, and her responses feel genuine.
Salsabil- She only has one read that I disagree with, which actually helps make me think her reads are authentic and not just following general consensus.
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OMO and Saudade (not Math)- Both are Null for the same reason. Both have been fairly chaotic, which helps generate content, but they're not doing a whole lot of actual solving themselves.
Geraintm- Not much content to look at. He's done this as town before but it's ultimately NAI.
Dwlee- Idk why they're making such a conscious effort to look scummy. It makes me think possibly just confused town, but they've played long enough to know better.
SCUM LEANS
ManateeDude- I feel like she has scum equity with Max and Marci after we had our back and forth. She occasionally gives town vibes with her posts though, so not a definite scum read.
Math (not Saudade)- Terrible entrance, terrible vote, and fake sounding questions all make him sound incredibly scummy in a short amount of time. Combined with my read on Saudade, this slot doesnt feel good at all to me.
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Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity. Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.- Roden
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Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?In post 669, marcistar wrote:
having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.In post 665, Roden wrote:Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?In post 665, Roden wrote:All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.
I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
VOTE: Marcistar
I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.MaxTheFox wrote:
I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.In post 665, Roden wrote: Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
I can agree with this.MaxTheFox wrote:
No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.In post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!- Roden
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There's a reason I didn't vote you. You defended Dwlee's logic, so I used it to "scum read" you to make a point. Hopefully now you understand why I was disputing Dwlee's reads.In post 667, MathBlade wrote: Ooh yay! Just “terrible” no explanation. If I had claimed scum you’d be able to explain it. This reeks of OMGUS. You seem like a really experienced newbie and I can’t place why.
Still doesn't really explain why you took a RVS joke vote so seriously. It read like you were genuinely trying to scum read me off of that.In post 668, MathBlade wrote: It was. I am an old foagie who plays games from time to time and I keep forgetting normals changed. I like replacing in and reading RVS and poking at tone and seeing initial thoughts and seeing how they vibe. Scum have a hard time being emotionally and logically consistent. They’re usually one or the other.
I think you lost a lot context skimming through the thread. I hadn't put out a reads list yet and had promised to do so a couple pages ago. I'd previously just been questioning people and disputing reads, so I figured it was best that everyone knew my own reads so far. The reads list wasn't meant to solve anything.In post 670, MathBlade wrote: Look! I am town! Look at this readwall! I am so town! This is me “solving”
Read walls don’t help solve. You think Max and Marci are scum? Push them. Say why they are scum. Repeat it.
Spreading a wide net like this without following anything is really fake.
I do think Marci and Max are scum, and I have been pushing them, btw. I really think you should read ISOs or at least look at context before making claims like this.
Getting real tired of seeing posts like these every other game tbh. I've had several different people make the argument of "I think you're scum because you remind me of a scum me" and it's just annoying. Especially as I've been town every single time this accusation gets thrown at me. I genuinely think it's conceited to hold someone to your own standards in regards to playstyle, and it's honestly a meaningless take anyway as it does absolutely nothing to advance the game due to how intangible it is.In post 674, MathBlade wrote: I hate this post. It reeks of things I have done as scum. It feels like you’re a scum me. I can’t explain it but you are pinging me hard.- Roden
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In post 676, ManateeDude wrote:i dont much like rodens posting either math but i think hes in the right kind of mindset. how do u feel abt the way hes approaching the game?
Interesting. I wasn't expecting these posts tbh.In post 688, MathBlade wrote:
First post I have vibed with you on. You might be town after all.In post 608, Roden wrote:
Yeahhhh...In post 606, ManateeDude wrote:
its a lot harder to townread someone being an assholeIn post 603, Roden wrote:Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.
Kinda wondering if this is gonna be a game where town cannibalizes itself Days 1 and 2 while scum just lays low for free.
VOTE: Unvote
I thought I had the opposite problem tbh. I've been on the offense all day today.In post 691, MathBlade wrote:
I don’t really see how he’s approaching it except the post I vibed with him on. I would like to see more offense and less defense from him.In post 676, ManateeDude wrote:i dont much like rodens posting either math but i think hes in the right kind of mindset. how do u feel abt the way hes approaching the game?
Right now it doesn’t seem like we’re [town] communicating but we’re all just saying reads and need to collaborate somehow.
The reads are only coming out now because a lot of people hadn't made any yet. I don't think most of us realized that not much time was left for the vote.- Roden
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So the left overs are your scum reads then? Between the four of them, who do you think we should vote?In post 815, marcistar wrote:
<<owo, salsabil, mathblade, ssbm_kyouko>> are my townreads yes sirIn post 693, Roden wrote:Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?
I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.
<<maybe titus>> on their own tier because like im confused
<<not_mafia, maybe you, maybe max>> are the people who i dont wanna vote (:
<<geraintm, drippinggoofball, dwlee99, manatee>> would be left overs- Roden
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You kinda have to push, that's the game.In post 833, marcistar wrote:
i dont like pushing my opinions onto peopleIn post 822, Roden wrote:So the left overs are your scum reads then? Between the four of them, who do you think we should vote?
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but then i feel bad for dwlee
so im fine with my current vote
I had to look back at who you voted because I forgot and, uh...your last vote was during RVS. On Looker.- Roden
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You did say this earlier. What makes you think DGB is equally as scummy as Looker?In post 867, marcistar wrote:
wasnt random for me tho <3 <3In post 857, Roden wrote:I had to look back at who you voted because I forgot and, uh...your last vote was during RVS. On Looker.- Roden
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In post 665, Roden wrote:TOWN READS
Kyouko- Probably the closest we have to obvtown.
DGB- Looker spewed town before they replaced in.
TOWN LEANS
Not_Mafia- He's been inactive the past couple days but he was actually trying to solve early on.
Titus- She's not trying too hard to look town, she's actively trying to gain information, and her responses feel genuine.
Salsabil- She only has one read that I disagree with, which actually helps make me think her reads are authentic and not just following general consensus.
NULL
OMO and Saudade (not Math)- Both are Null for the same reason. Both have been fairly chaotic, which helps generate content, but they're not doing a whole lot of actual solving themselves.
Geraintm- Not much content to look at. He's done this as town before but it's ultimately NAI.
Dwlee- Idk why they're making such a conscious effort to look scummy. It makes me think possibly just confused town, but they've played long enough to know better.
SCUM LEANS
ManateeDude- I feel like she has scum equity with Max and Marci after we had our back and forth. She occasionally gives town vibes with her posts though, so not a definite scum read.
Math (not Saudade)- Terrible entrance, terrible vote, and fake sounding questions all make him sound incredibly scummy in a short amount of time. Combined with my read on Saudade, this slot doesnt feel good at all to me.
SCUM READS
Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity. Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.
Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.
All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.- Roden
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Not to clear myself, but that might imply uninformed majority if people can't tell if you're solving or not.In post 879, oʍo wrote:I hate when people say im not solving when clearly i am but in my own way of poking and prodding people for alignment tells lmfao
Math jumped up to Null. I think you and Math could be TvS though.In post 880, oʍo wrote:anything change since you posted that BTW?
Dwlee and Salsabil swapped places as well. I'll have to reread ISOs but Salsabil's posts have occasionally pinged me when catching up on posts but never enough to keep my attention. And Dwlee really does just feel like flailing town, especially with the weird tunnel on Titus.- Roden
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Marci, if you're town I really want you to defend yourself. I don't want you mis-elim'd if you're just a passive player, so please make a case for yourself.
The biggest thing that's pinged me are your associatives with Max and Manatee, and then the blatant distancing that happened afterward. Something I commented on and that Kyouko noticed too is that it also looked like you were trying to build fake scum equity with Manatee. Your vote on Looker/DGB also doesn't read as town since you've made several accusations and suspected others since then. Why did you never change your vote/why are you so certain about DGB?
These are the things that need to be addressed the most IMO.- Roden
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Because town has zero motivation to settle and let themselves be elim'd. Scum may do so to invoke WIFOM, or to make the exact argument you're making. Because yes, why would scum just lay down and die?In post 894, marcistar wrote:
I don't mind too much, it shows peoples true colors if theyre attacking one of the easiest targets <3 <3In post 889, Roden wrote:Marci, if you're town I really want you to defend yourself. I don't want you mis-elim'd if you're just a passive player, so please make a case for yourself.
like really, would it not give juicy info with how people are settling with me and theres no fight back..? (ignoring the one game where i really flopped like a fish within 3hrs), as scum i usually try harder because i dont want to let down my team, so why am i not attacking hard and trying to ensure i live to help my "team"? why as scum would i just be settling down with my elim..?
Thing is, you can't claim you're not fighting back. You've been sprinkling suspicion on others throughout all of Day 1.
"Attempt to buddy" uhhhh...
"associatives with max" i dont get how thats happened, theyre barely around for me to even attempt to buddy. I see how "associatives with manatee" could be a thing though.In post 889, Roden wrote:The biggest thing that's pinged me are your associatives with Max and Manatee, and then the blatant distancing that happened afterward. Something I commented on and that Kyouko noticed too is that it also looked like you were trying to build fake scum equity with Manatee. Your vote on Looker/DGB also doesn't read as town since you've made several accusations and suspected others since then. Why did you never change your vote/why are you so certain about DGB?
Your associative with Max isn't direct but through Manatee. Your statement though implies you checked your ISO to fact check yourself, which is weird since you should just know if you talked much with Max or not.
You did it after you got called out. Claiming that you're distancing doesn't sound good either since town has no reason to distance."blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3
It happened awhile ago now, back when me and Manatee had our back and forth. If you were told to stop it would've been back then."build fake scum equity" then why havent i been told to stop in maf chat..? its obv leading me into a very bad spot, why would my scumteam just let me continue doing it..? if im scum, its clearly doing more harm than good at this point right..? cuz if im scum and yall are seeing thru it this easily, its not all that helpful towards scum and instead helps town more.
The problem is that you never really made a case for the slot. You've made cases for me and Manatee, for instance, but not your biggest scum read.the thing is im not super confident in the looker/drippinggoofball vote, its just the thing that i feel is best out of everyone so i kept it there for so long.
"made several accusations and suspected others" but that didnt make drippinggoofball more townie in my eyes at all? he was my most preferred always, but i cant just ignore chat for hrs and hrs, i was trying to figure out the stepping stone after that <3- Roden
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I'm getting paranoid about my read on Marci. Like on one hand, I'm starting to doubt it after her defense because it was pretty reasonable, and looking through her ISO all of what she said checks out. And the wagon on her built surprisingly quickly before I could even make a full scum case, which feels off. But on the other hand, she's openly admitting to using scum tactics, she isn't pushing her biggest scum read, and I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.
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