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Hi I'm a miller

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Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

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Saudade with a new avi. Interesting.

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Hi guys!

VOTE: Saudade

*Visibly overreacting*

*Visibly ignoring*

I am masons with your mum

This is the best post of all time on this site, wrap it up, we're done here

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Hi guys!

VOTE: Saudade

*Visibly overreacting*

*Visibly ignoring*

NM, Salsa, and Saudade are also town. Manatee is another potential mafia.

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Petition to make this Saudade's and omo's profile picture

Ok

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on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

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Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

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Triple M threat

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Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

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Kyouko is notably town here because their vibes are vibing if you know what I mean.

This game feels very easy.

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Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

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I dont like not mafia, which in my opinion is a great basis for elimination who in?

I object.

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general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

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VOTE: marci

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The wagon on me is homophobic. My body, my.choice!

Not funny

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Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...

In what way isn't it?

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on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

Which ones are scum indicative?

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omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

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Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me

Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.

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Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce on

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too long

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Didn't get an answer to this.

But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.

VOTE: Roden

seeing this level of depth of thought from you is refreshing because it tells me you're very likely town as I correctly vibed you out to be, although I may not necessarily agree with your conclusions(I'm partially convinced? I like what you noticed but I had Roden as town so I'm a bit biased towards not being wrong xD), I think the thought process you are displaying is towny.

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Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

dude ur like very clearly town but please just choose someone to sheep LMAO

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The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

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this game is gonna drive me off my rocker i can tell already

looker looking like a good policy lim on top of the fact i dont really dont TR them at all

Looker and Manatee are unaligned, and if I might venture a little further I think it is likely TvS

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Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

dude ur like very clearly town but please just choose someone to sheep LMAO

wat

omo what are you saying

pretty obvious, dude is town but they speak mostly nonsense

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Looker is force replaced for mocking homosexuality and then doubling down.

and I oop - prob shouldn't say it in this thread but we will prob see soon in the ban thread LMFAO

now we can get a person in this slot i can actually listen to perhaps :O

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why should I elaborate for the person who's literally voting their mason partner?

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gotem - but really like their posting screams "I am uninformed" and is distinct from the trolling a scum player might do. as a channeler of the chaos I can feel the ebb and flow of others' chaos and discern their intentions

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Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me

Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.

What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.

Reads:

TOWN BIN

MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.

TOWN LEAN

Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...

NULL

Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.

SCUM LEAN

omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.

SCUM BIN

Nobody yet.

Quote the posts you think are best indicative of me being scummy.

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but really like their posting screams "I am uninformed"

Can you elaborate on this? Whose posting? How does it scream "I am uninformed"?

its YOUR own slot, you should be able to answer this for yourself.

Its not something I can articulate that well, its just apparent to me because its the way that there is no end goal with the way they were acting. scum have an agenda when trolling still, you can still feel they are not treating people equally because they are informed vs how an uninformed acts where they are indiscriminate.

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Getting kinda annoyed at the discreds coming at my slot because I crack jokes/play to unsettle occasionally just bc its unorthodox.

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@kyouko do you know who I am yet btw, if so let's townblock here :3

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Also a part of me wants to say that Saudade is town because I intentionally made a clear townread on them to gauge their reaction to it - my memory of scum!Saudade tends to be accepting of people who vocally townread them moreso, although that was in a chat mafia enviroment but I think it still applies here.

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@kyouko do you know who I am yet btw, if so let's townblock here :3

No idk who you are

But I do think saudade is town. You I'm not sure of yet

remember a person in your last game called taco.. haha, not the guy who faked a guilty on a townie that would be pretty cringe, but yeah

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VOTE: Manatee

sorry kyouko i think roden prob town here

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no lol

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dont care, I'm blatantly town and you're not

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quote my response that you're referring to

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you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

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you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

You townread Looker for no reason in an attempt to pocket him because you know this slot is town from your beautiful mafia perspective

ok so now that you believe I TMId looker, find me reasons that you think they're town here then not based on my interactions then

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I have a feeling you will find the same reasonings I did, just admit you're washed

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u like it bc ur mad that i derailed a wagon on town

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I find townreads in slots people have trouble reading because my reading style favors accurate reads on those LHF slots, I tend to struggle against what most consider "obvious" reads. Hope that helps you understand my thought process.


When reading I look at a post/string of posts and think "ok what do I think this person was thinking at the time of posting this/how they processed the info around them" and that is where I saw looker was showing what is a "too chaotic for scum"(there's nuance to this)/complex thought process. Complex does NOT mean correct/useful, just that they are thinking in more than 1 dimension.

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yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now

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i love it when slots finally produce content after pressuring hard enough

my WIM is directly proportional to the number of votes I've reached in the game

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manatee needed to ask a pretend question to justify their vote change to me lol

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ok not a pretend question I adlibbed ,meant a pretend justification

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i'm listening to polish music and thats fucking with my brain typing in english LOL

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VOTE: Titus

manatee plan to try to mislim me in shambles

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why am I town?

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on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

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next person to back up their opinion via a vibe check will be sent to the shadowrealm to join looker

u literally used to play on a website where people locked people on vibes based on a single line LMAO relax

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omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now

not noticing this pattern in at least one aforementioned taco game

wrongo

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its owo upsidedown

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also why am I scum again, manatee?

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Is everyone just ignoring I claimed mason? Ok

No

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UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

He's the only one who is actually trying to play the game.

Scum!Not_Mafia is usually happy to troll.

Yup I read a random other game of his (Baseball) and he played in a similar way there and was town, that's another reason I trust NM.

Oh hey, that was a good game for me I also found town!NM that game.

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The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

Umm, what happened in between??

seeing this level of depth of thought from you is refreshing because it tells me you're very likely town as I correctly vibed you out to be, although I may not necessarily agree with your conclusions(I'm partially convinced? I like what you noticed but I had Roden as town so I'm a bit biased towards not being wrong xD), I think the thought process you are displaying is towny.

You are not reading my posts at all, seeing as you still think I don't have any reasoning for Looker

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Their ISO is awful but idk if that's just their playstyle.

How?

So their ISO is not awful to you?
What are your reads atm?

Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me

Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.

What discussion have you been doing until page 10? Most of your posts up to that point were, as I said, question-dodges. What town intent could this possibly have? But honestly it's early and I'm not locking onto you yet. Do better.

Reads:

TOWN BIN

MaxTheFox - I'm town.
Salsabil - good tone and trying to solve the game early = town in my eyes.

TOWN LEAN

Saudade - at first I didn't like their tone but I don't really see scum being likely to be so nonchalant, if that's the right word.
Manatee - gut read. Trust me on this.
Not_Mafia - yes he is a troll but at the same time it looks like he's actually contributing and trying to solve. Unlike the other Miltank avatar in the game...

NULL

Everyone else, expect another list later in day 1 when there is more content.

SCUM LEAN

omo - trolled in an useless way, dodged questions, picked up the slack in the last page which is why I'm not binning them as scum,
DGB (Looker) - another gut read. I'll let DGB post before voting them though.

SCUM BIN

Nobody yet.

Quote the posts you think are best indicative of me being scummy.

Still waiting for you to explain this:

Is Not_Mafia trolling or what?

VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.

VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here

And this:

on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

I think Looker's behavior is pretty town indicative in thought process, if very chaotic in nature.

Mention the post(s) you find town indicative please.

Which ones are scum indicative?

It should be obvious:

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

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And just a normal response:

Getting kinda annoyed at the discreds coming at my slot because I crack jokes/play to unsettle occasionally just bc its unorthodox.

Cracking jokes =/= randomly accusing people. It just looked like scum trying to throw shade at someone early.

"Play to unsettle"

Yes i randomly accuse people early game, how else is one supposed to move the game forward? And you seem to have conveniently ignored tbe part where i said "play to unsettle" -
You're trying to call me scum and find reasons working backwards and it shows in how you are approaching thinking about my slot in very specific ways - where you are unsure about what is something that could be construed as scum indicative you push someone who is agreessive because thats always an easy push to get people behind. I unvoted you and pushed elsewhere because you showed a glimmer of towniness, but the way your mindset seems to be displaying itself in what you are choosing to point out feels dishonest to me.

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You can't find anyone to have a confident scumread on because you are TMIing i believe and cannot find anything that looks scummy to you becauwe townies are towning and you dont wanna push your scumbuds.

If this isn't the case it would help if you could outline how you reached some of the conclusions you're tossing out.

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Also as a sidenote, salsa is probably town because town them is not very good at reading people with my playstyle. Was convinced i was scum in our last game when i was town af

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I'm vetoing Kyo.

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why don't you dialogue kyo instead about why they reached that conclusion, and kyo, why don't you answer why you think that? and why you might think that is scummy?

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kyo is my "zyla" read this game sorry dwlee

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Saudade is force replaced for deliberate and malicious use of the L-word.

epicmafia moment

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Pretty sure omo is town here.

Read me correctly in a game first then try to claim your natural reads on me are right

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VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

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D1 reads are often shit when it comes to consensus so its unreasonable to do that lol

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VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

Why do u scumread me?

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VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

I can definitely sheep this given Owo’s push of Titus before her claim and lack of vote.

For all the sussing of Titus she had very few votes IIRC probably looking for a Titus susser, nonvoter

VOTE: Owo

Where did i push her? LMAO? are you reading the same game as me?

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Do you townread manatee here then, Math?

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Also i believe NM's claim of being able to read gerain accurately since ive seen it before.
(Believe it or not NM has a certain level of accuracy in games uf you actually read what theyre saying)

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And to be clear Math, i townread your slot bc of saudade and im trying to dissect your reasoning to get you to a point where at the very least your view of the game has an accuratr read on my slot

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Thats not pushing. Nice moonlogic

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I said that because i cannot read titus in any game ever. It is a true statement. I never have

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Ok. Does knowing my main account is DkKoba change anything?

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Thats not pushing. Nice moonlogic

And that absolutely is. It’s a hallmark of good scum play.

Good scum play pushes players emotionally one of those ways is to make them think an elim is likely.

Pushes take a variety of forms.

What the actual fuck. Go step away from this game and tell me if you are actually committing to this logic later

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Be more specific about your manatee read. No preflips.

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Ok then you should shelve me for later since you dont know how to read i.e. how im treating titus??, lmao

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Math do you townread titus based solely off the claim?

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feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

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If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

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feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

I need help cause I feel like there is some moonlogic here.

Yeah ill explain when i get home. Has to do with trying to place a scumread on anyone considering pushing her.

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Like it's not a genuine thought it's a threat

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Unless we wanna believe manatee thinks 2 people =a lot of people

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Idk if math is like trying to sublty save manatee by pretending that their push is based on my honesty about how i view titus.

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Like feels like they're being v uncharitable and that concerns me

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Ignoring any reason they might have to vote elsewhere and making excuses for it

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omo my friend you are just saying words with no meaning

How so?
Wanna explain the wording of that post from a supposed town perspective then?

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But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

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omo my friend you are just saying words with no meaning

How so?
Wanna explain the wording of that post from a supposed town perspective then?

^^ was posted same time as previous post not relevant anymore

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No cow avatars are allowed to be eliminated this game, doctor's orders

my doctor said the same thing

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But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

i dont think everyone pushing me fully is scum? that means mafia is unsure of whether or not theyre going to push me as a whole

ur reasoning is oh she has thoughts about mafia perspective so she slipped as mafia from what im getting

alright so what's your perspective on the gamestate ATP?

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u know whats funny is i think marci is scum who is trying to pocket me but the pocket is leading to their downfall bc of all the people preflipping me scum and I tend to let d1 pockets go so I get less votes on me so LMAO get fucked.

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Roden, could I just get a reads list from you rq, I just wanna see where you are at.

Dwlee and Kyouko you too.

I wanna help consolidate today and starting with just listening to people I most townread atp is gonna help

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Salsa u too I think u are town but I kinda am salty you're doing the same shit you did in our last game regarding misreading me so the invitation to a reads list is separate.

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Atp I think my PoE consists of [Manatee, Math(only if manatee flips scum so not interested there today. Further discussion can bump this up depending if I believe their thought process was actually town and not just scum uncharitableness), Marci, Max] with DGB + Titus being directly above that. Titus is most likely just straight cleared on a math scum flip bc the way he is playing around titus implies a pocket attempt, as I firmly believe mathblade will play around titus everytime as scum.

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gerain/NM are townleans and the rest are just straight up town.

that's just my own personal perspective here ATM.


Criticism being accepted from the slots above my POE - those in it will require evidence.

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I hate when people say im not solving when clearly i am but in my own way of poking and prodding people for alignment tells lmfao

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anything change since you posted that BTW?

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also fucking hilarious we both ended up with a 4 Ms PoE ngl

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oh yeah I forgot looker was towny, DGB goes up to my townlean area.

VOTE: Marci
I'll consolidate here since I saw a lot of votes here.

If it flips scum it'd be good to just plow through manatee and then reeval only if that flips town then.

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yay cooperation :3

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Don't feel great about a Marci lim but will do to get it off.

If you have time, can you explain a bit why?

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Don't feel great about a Marci lim but will do to get it off.

If you have time, can you explain a bit why?

@Titus.

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Idk if math is like trying to sublty save manatee by pretending that their push is based on my honesty about how i view titus.

I think that if you want to read me, seriously understand that I in general, do not save people as any alignment. I argue and advocate but I do not “save” people without a mod confirmed inno. As scum I do not “save” buddies and as town I do not “save” townreads I defend them. If my defense fails and they are town then I learn who pushed them and who is likely scum from it depending upon how I push.

Take Warehouse 13 where I was sure DGB was town. I fought for it the entire time. It didn’t work and then I could go back to my PoE which pretty much was Cakez or Titus and got Cakez. There’s this illusion of “good” doesn’t miselim and having to be right that kinda permeates. It’s about stopping the wrong. If scum have no places to hide we are forced to win. I will sacrifice a VT to get a deep wolf.

Mafia is like chess to me and I ask “random” questions in advance and then circle back later and check for consistency and see if their vibe matches expected.

Eg if we have a ton of miselims and the person hasn’t been listened to all game. Are they frustrated? Demoralized? Or are they the same?

If they thought they were poked by a bad question on D1 is that annoyance still there D4?

Are they remembering their stance on a person throughout the game?

Scum don’t generally remember the micro trivialities and care about the now.

By pushing you on your Titus push (yes it was a push you’re not convincing me otherwise) I can check that against your other Koba games and see if you’re playing with a similar mindset.

I big brain as scum but this isnt the big brain i do. If I'm scum I'm gonna drop a confident townread to get the towncred, not a null read.

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But also noted for an idea to do in a future scum game because that actually sounds like interesting theory to mask a town wagon i might want shoved through

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Did y'all miss that omo claimed miller?

was that serious?

It doesn’t matter they did.

If anything it matters less because if a cop exists they can’t be checked. That means they should have enough muster to pass scrutiny. A BBMolla type scum fake claims Miller and uses that as leverage to coast. A negative utility has to claim AND be above reproach.

Oh, am I coasting in your opinion?

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I'd really love to cw onto manatee like here - but like time limits and consensus.

Marci this is your last chance here.

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UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

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its filled with complex thoughts and at the very least that's valuable in the long term even if scum because it will help solve overall

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dwlees iso is pretty bad and if theres enough interest i'd be willing to case them.

max is not a good elimination just bc they have been sussed out based on weird interactions w me and marci. i know im tiwn and marci herself is getting more sympathy it seems which kinda dissolves most of the reasoning i've noticed inthread for her scumread

idk if i can convince people on omo cos even my read on them is inconsistent, but they have a LOT of stuff i can dig up once again w interest.

marci even if town gives us stuff to work with postflip bc theyve been interacting a lot more as of late.

not sure what omos getting at w the "complex thoughts" in regards bc it kind of just reads as a way to get off the wagon w justification which town shouldn't need to do. if marci is scum here her "complex thoughts" hold value primarily post-flip

dig it up.

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VOTE: Manatee

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If I really fucking have to I will vote marci to make sure we get an elim but I implore people to look elsewhere. (excludingm e im town as fuck)

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Did y'all miss that omo claimed miller?

was that serious?

It doesn’t matter they did.

If anything it matters less because if a cop exists they can’t be checked. That means they should have enough muster to pass scrutiny. A BBMolla type scum fake claims Miller and uses that as leverage to coast. A negative utility has to claim AND be above reproach.

Oh, am I coasting in your opinion?

No. I am saying that any Miller claim deserves scrutiny because they can’t be checked. No more no less.

So why mention it?

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Marci can you do a reads list? Claim (if you haven't)

im just a vt, so its not too much of a loss to town

Spoiler:

Not_Mafia -

not too sure

MathBlade -

I had good vibes on saudade (238, 326, 412, and his stuff about u titus seems pretty good) and i have decent vibes on mathblade > i like his like catching up on things alot, though im not really too sure where they stand rn
i think hes just genuinely putting thoughts there, and not just trying to whatevers easiest. so this is prob like townlean

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their early game stuff seemed like they were just trying to move stuff forward, the vibes tell me theres nothing with bad intentions there. (463, 464, 853, 854 specifically good vibes, if u want something stronger than just pure vibes ) townread.

Roden -

(222, 294) im not usually used to people throwingaround the term "scum claiming" so easily so these originally felt weird to me, 244 originally to me seemed like he was just doing it cuz it was whats popular, originally i didn't really like him much. As the game went on though, i realized its just I don't vibe well with his playstyle so im not too confident placing a read here. I could see him being anything.

geraintm -

idk

DrippingGoofball -

originally i didn't like looker because it looked like looker was just making excuses, 206 and its correction in 209 was goodish tho.
drippinggoofball really just hasn't done too much, which makes me comfortable with my vote <3 <3 i don't know any meta on them so i cant be like "meta meta, hes town" or anything, so im just keeping at it until i either get what i wanna see or i die x3 <3 (657, 875) i don't see too much of an explanation

Dwlee99 -

535 by itself doesn't seem too weird, but it just stands out alot in their iso. i think thats where they really started like putting their foot into the game..? i also don't like how long they let the mason thing with saudade go on. i like (619, 761), dislike 703 since they dont rlly explain much. generally, his posts look good on quick glance, but i think they could be easily faked as scum.

MaxTheFox -

im not too sure on how to read them. i don't agree with their read on owo, i dont see anything wrong with it though, i think theyre something like a "only time can tell" sorta thing.

Titus -

tbh im not sure what a babysitter is but like ill trust it i think.. though im a bit confused on the timing of ur claim

ssbm_Kyouko -

i think ssbm_kyouko is really good at being a townleader often ^.^ i think theyre townie the vibes are just there. they seem rlly focused on me/manatee so i hope they have a backup plan if things go wrong :'(

ManateeDude -

they do alot of short posts and change votes alot, im not too sure how i feel about her anymore tbh. but like i had a townread here originally, but i just like.. the vote changes feel weird and sometimes like theyre taking opportunities.

Salsabil Faria -

i remember my townread on her felt stronger before, but isoing her doesn't really keep up those same vibes. i would say townie vibes, but keep her between the lower rankings of the townie vibes imo. alot of her posts aren't rlly doing much, and her post count makes it seem like shes in thread more than she actually has been (in my mind at least).
im still traumatized from the exploder game
(so lower ranks of the townie reads for her).

^ theres some ideas of the players, not really good and def not spicy at all tho
man that was kinda alot of work and took a bunch of hrs

Because town has zero motivation to settle and let themselves be elim'd.

Scum may do so to invoke WIFOM, or to make the exact argument you're making. Because yes, why would scum just lay down and die?.

i often do it as town for not so good reasons
but sometimes ill want to do it just so that my townreads dont get picked on.

Thing is, you can't claim you're not fighting back. You've been sprinkling suspicion on others throughout all of Day 1.

wheres me sprinkling suspicion on others..? i prob wasnt doing it to defend myself tho since i remember never really feeling like i needed to defend myself much earlier

Your associative with Max isn't direct but through Manatee. Your statement though implies you checked your ISO to fact check yourself, which is weird since you should just know if you talked much with Max or not.

i dont think i checked my iso at that point, but if i did it was prob cuz i was confused.. i have the worst memory

I will say though that your defense here is actually more reasonable than I expected. I'm just not seeing the town motivation for using scum tactics like buddying and distancing, nor for why you haven't really pushed your biggest scum read.

doesn't really matter too much, but i do buddy often to people who i feel like

have

to be town.. kinda gets me in an awkward spot when i rethink on them tho
dont really know why i do it.

Of the wagons that have come up so far who do you think could be scum?

lowkey don't remember all the wagons, the one i do remember (dwlee) i think could easily flip scum tho.

If you can’t find any who do you think would be the deep wolf pushing you in that scenario?

don't really think much of my wagon is sus (916) but if theres one on there its roden, but i wouldn't be too confident to put the title on him that fast.

Regarding me that’s 100 percent accurate. First day I replace in is pretty scattershot. I am trying to get a vibe check and poke as many people as possible. Not sure I like your response about Titus and not knowing what a baby sitter is when I have linked it and it was a point of discussion.

This seems really kinda passive. Am I the only person getting that vibe?

Nah you are pretty spot on when you replace in as town. A floundering MB is a pretty bad look to me.

[oʍo]

Regardless I have a townblock powering me with a mindmelded solve so good luck with trying to get me mislimmed!

[oʍo]

Charge Me Up! is what i am mainly referencing.

[oʍo]

You're literally in my fucking PoE what makes you think I'm trying to buddy you?
Seriously, get real.

[oʍo]

feel free to waste your vote for today by parking it on me, I don't care if scum want to waste their time pushing me when I am townread by my townreads.

[oʍo]

give some real analysis on manatee and/or marci or get out. thanks!~

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I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a

lot

of things now, even stuff I haven't directly said. Idk how to describe the potential technique here entirely, but I feel like he's done something where he tried to break me down with suspicion and pressure, then raise me up by slowly town reading me and agreeing with a lot of things I've said. And there were a few things earlier that I brought up to him that he never responded to and let get buried. With all the conversation leading he's done, he could be power wolfing. I'm also just really susceptible to pocketing, Jake got me way too easily in our last Mini Normal and on Day 1 too.

Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.

I dismantled your wagon. Why am i scum from your pov?

[oʍo]

I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a

lot

of things now, even stuff I haven't directly said. Idk how to describe the potential technique here entirely, but I feel like he's done something where he tried to break me down with suspicion and pressure, then raise me up by slowly town reading me and agreeing with a lot of things I've said. And there were a few things earlier that I brought up to him that he never responded to and let get buried. With all the conversation leading he's done, he could be power wolfing. I'm also just really susceptible to pocketing, Jake got me way too easily in our last Mini Normal and on Day 1 too.

Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.

I dismantled your wagon. Why am i scum from your pov?

Dismantling a wagon doesn't mean much and assumes I couldn't do it myself. Scum can easily do it for town cred, or at the very least trust points. I don't want you gone today though, and I don't have a scum case that comes out differently than what Manatee offered.

lmao horseshit reply, you're trying to really make excuses why im scum at this point.
Someone please get a votecount up

[oʍo]

Will catch up tomorrow, I'm sleepy right now.

Deadline is today. Now whats your response?

[oʍo]

Votecount:

• DrippingGoofball (4): marcistar, ssbm_Kyouko, ManateeDude, Roden
  Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Fariua
  marcistar (1): MathBlade
  omo (1): MaxTheFox
  ManateeDude (1): Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (1): Titus
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  Roden (1): DrippingGoofball

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: Marci

I think I am okay with a Marci elim here.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

omo has generally been very wishy washy, inconsistent and intentionally offputting so far this game. a skim of their iso will find a lot of fencesits, votes that are quickly rescinded. they seem pretty willing to follow stronger players more silently and are quite often vague in their statements, in what i think is an attempt to avoid locking themselves into a thought process that isnt favourable for town later down the road. a skim through their iso reveals a lack of reads on a lot of players, and many are purposely vague or based on an another players perspective. its pretty easy for omo to take up a few semi-popular viewpoints that they can fencesit, and pull through on at a later point when its convinient for them. omos posts voting me as opposed to a more popular pick are all coupled with a statement they'd also be ok pushing the more popular pick which feels like perfect positioning for a mislim on either end

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

this post is super telling and i think it sets up for a discred on max bc her thought process was really solid, and omo AS max stated does the aforementioned dodging real criticism by not adressing the other aspects of max's reasoning. its really not a good look for early game and i didnt even notice it until here

dont care, I'm blatantly town and you're not

you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

omo does some more doubtcasting, and the obvtown comment is really bad. this response looks like a pretty obvious way to distract from their original point (not a good look) and immediately flip to the other end of the spectrum in attempt to doubtcast the original point (being that omo is NOT obvtown)

omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now

not noticing this pattern in at least one aforementioned taco game

wrongo

i wont claim to be a huge meta reader but when theres a pretty obvious discepancy i can point it out. this game gives pretty different scope of how they act, with them supplying many complicated takes and engaging in a complex manner with various players. i wouldnt find this huge if they didn't say it was objectively untrue, but from the way i see it they made a statement about their style that doesnt match the way i analyzed their behavior

VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

this post is super in that they kind of back away from developing any sort of read on titus and WHILE voting me. i'd be content if they admitted they couldn't read titus without the caveat that theyd also be ok limming them but it feels weird to say you cant read someone and be in favour of their lim. they ALSO ackonwledge T!Titus would be a loss but they're also perfectly content with the same person going without any real read on them?

feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

i dont think everyone pushing me fully is scum? that means mafia is unsure of whether or not theyre going to push me as a whole

ur reasoning is oh she has thoughts about mafia perspective so she slipped as mafia from what im getting

alright so what's your perspective on the gamestate ATP?

this series of responses is kind of telling around omo's wishy-washy behavior as their noted "perspective slip" on me which was originally extremely fragile falls apart with a bit of pushback and without anyone agreeing. i find it interesting that even now when they r back to voting me no mention of this perspective slip has been raised. i think its bc as a point against me it doesnt work and they realized it.


VOTE: omo

I'm getting paranoid about my read on Marci. Like on one hand, I'm starting to doubt it after her defense because it was pretty reasonable, and looking through her ISO all of what she said checks out. And the wagon on her built surprisingly quickly before I could even make a full scum case, which feels off. But on the other hand, she's openly admitting to using scum tactics, she isn't pushing her biggest scum read, and I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.

"blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3

This specifically pinged me a lot. There's a lot of tonal dissonance in her posts but this is stands out the most to me.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

Bless your beautiful souls VOTE: manatee

VOTE: marci

im not going today and i will make that 100% true if need be

UNVOTE: I don't even know with this game anymore. Theres a hole in my reads somewhere.
I guess I could do max
VOTE: max

Pedit: Roden I think omo was voting Marci while she was he wagon and the same post you thought was townie from Marci, he thought too. So did I.

Fuck it what about this iso?
Desperately flocking to the prevailing wagons seemingly for no reason, assuming they're both town, 962 is the perfect time to make that post as scum. You get the towncred but also the prevailing wagons are TvT and it's safe to do so.

No content. Flip-flops onto town wagons without reason. Tries to scoop up low-hanging towncred. Yeet

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

sold.

VOTE: DGB

I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

I think I'm actually fine with this wagon.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was voting

OMO

and

Dwlee

, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against

Titus

or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Read-list

Town:

ssbm

,

Math

,

Titus

,

Roden

Scum:

Dwlee

,

OMO

,

goofball

Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.

VOTE: Roden

Oh its 22 hours i thought it was sooner LOL

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VOTE: Roden after some thought I think Roden TMId in their response to me regarding my assertion that it is unrealistic from their POV that I helped shut down a wagon on them that I initiated and am scum to them. The motivations for me as scum to do that are dubious at best considering the gamestate at the time.


I thought they were town but perhaps I am threatening their other 2 partners ergo that's dangerous to them - or they need to dismantle a townblock that's formed in a way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, as I've been rereading my own ISO and noticed some things I had forgotten about.


The fact this isn't the first time this day phase Roden has made very questionable play in terms of not bad play but like .. dunno how to explain it its just weird/not town motivated.

I'm hungover as shit so not in the mood to really ellaborate but I'll quote Kyouko's case in my next post.

[oʍo]

Dwlee, Roden is just trying to sow discord among people who are towny here because they are probably scum. They are specifically targeting people who are townreading eachother and using weak logic to do so, something that was brought to my attention at Roden's accusation against me.

[oʍo]

Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.

We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.

{Looker, Roden, ???}

I'm sorry, what?

Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce on

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too long

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Didn't get an answer to this.

But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.

VOTE: Roden

Because I didn't comment on everything and instead want to know how serious an accusation is, I'm scum?

It's not so much about what you did, but what you didn't do.

As for you and looker I had individual SRs on you both but then your response to his 220 could be an SvS interaction so it makes me feel better about both reads, especially so for early game

[oʍo]

I think after reconsideration that Max is likely town just based on the fact that I don't think he fits into a solve anymore.

[Roden - MathBlade - Manatee]

[oʍo]

Nevermind. Manatee doesn't fit..........

back to the drawing board, but Roden still scum. I dissipated their wagon in a way that made me the leading one - just some context - and their response to me saying from their POV i should be unlikely scum, they doubled down and said i *could* have done it as scum which is like ???

[oʍo]

VOTE: Roden after some thought I think Roden TMId in their response to me regarding my assertion that it is unrealistic from their POV that I helped shut down a wagon on them that I initiated and am scum to them. The motivations for me as scum to do that are dubious at best considering the gamestate at the time.


I thought they were town but perhaps I am threatening their other 2 partners ergo that's dangerous to them - or they need to dismantle a townblock that's formed in a way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, as I've been rereading my own ISO and noticed some things I had forgotten about.


The fact this isn't the first time this day phase Roden has made very questionable play in terms of not bad play but like .. dunno how to explain it its just weird/not town motivated.

I'm hungover as shit so not in the mood to really ellaborate but I'll quote Kyouko's case in my next post.

OMO this looks really bad to do just as EoD approaches and we're trying to solidify a DGB elim. You're accusing me of trying to protect my scum buddies but it honestly looks like you're doing the same for DGB. Who exactly am I protecting? Because I literally only trust Kyouko.

I'm not even sure how saying I think you could be scum would somehow disrupt a town block or even threaten you. You're not today's elim and possibly not even tomorrow's depending on the Day and Night flips.

For a good portion of the day I was very much looking like I could be a viable lim in the gamestate based on long I was a leading wagon.

[oʍo]

I think omo doesnt want to hammer his buddy tbh. Someone hammer DGB and we can look at omo on a red flip. I don't think he has any reason to TR Looker or DGB in his iso on a quick skim, and they are arbitrarily "right above" his poe along with Titus. He was content to compromise with his townreads on Marci or manatee but is now suddenly scrambling to get a wagon somewhere else so close to deadline.

I think it's just the opposite of what hes saying about Roden as well. Omo is the one sowing the discord. We need to stand strong on DGB and flip omo tomorrow if DGB flips red.

Also I have been scum on the other end of town!omo's pushes before and I gotta say I'm not getting the same vibes from omo I did when I was scum and he was SRing me on Taco Hemingway in FIA WRC.

Bro what are u on about

[oʍo]

Sorry forgot ** not bro

[oʍo]

Like you and I are reading the same game here, right

[oʍo]

U know what I think I know what Kyouko is pulling and I'll let him play it out but that's actually hilarious tbh
if im nightkilled dont push on kyouko ever LOL

[oʍo]

VOTE: DGB

whatever

there's absolutely no agreement here and I don't think DGB is that valuable to the gamestate anyways so yeah

I'm hammering this so no shit counterwagon happens because no one wants to go for any of my scumreads and this is at least low in my reads

[oʍo]

if this flips scum, max stonks go way down

salsa still town, gerain also goes down

NM prob worth an investigative too at that point

[oʍo]

if it flips town well, scum aren't gonna kill me and yall know my thoughts already on if DGB flips town.

[oʍo]

I just don't think we're in a world where DGB flips scum but this gamestate is garbage because people thinks it will so yep

[oʍo]

Dwlee, any comment?

[oʍo]

Because I don't care about claims

[oʍo]

Plus it already did claim

[oʍo]

I hammered dgb bc it flipped scum in another game and i had to force myself to do so here bc it felt the same here
(Just finished game)

[oʍo]

I would never have dgb claim vt there btw lmao
So yep!
If im scum here i kill MB, he didnt die bc im a designated mislim

[oʍo]

Anyways VOTE: max
Dwlee scum doesnt incite me to hammer their partner there.
Thats a t3 move not a dwlee move

[oʍo]

Yall dont realize its the quiet ones who try to wait off a scum bud wagon that are more likely scum.
Like lol.

[oʍo]

Also im not miller, i dont wanna ruin ppls mech solves. Was just playing around with fakrclaming a non vt pr cuz i always like to do that in games.

[oʍo]

Roden flipping town should clear me btw lol

I hope mathblade or titus could see that at least.

[oʍo]

Omo can you explain how I incited you to hammer there?

Someone did and that was the final shove i needed to hammer

[oʍo]

Math buried DGB they were town anyways, math is anti d1 bussing iirc

[oʍo]

ye, me as scum:

Have 4 person wagon on me
Counterwagon with interest exists
I dissolve my counterwagon without trying to dissolve my own

[oʍo]

How very scummy of me wow

[oʍo]

If anyone with at least a level 2 reading ability wants to go look at that, you will see it is obvious.

[oʍo]

No excuses - you need to actually explain why that makes sense rather than the simpler occams razor explanation that im town.
I just finished a game where i had to.fight this kind of shit logic against me just bc i wasn't 100% accurate d1. Dont make me do it again.

[oʍo]

If youre an aspiring scumhunter and arent lazy i gave you the key to an alignment telling moment of mine. If you wanna make shitty assumptions about something i did working backwards and ignore my reasonable and more believable explosion then maybe theres no hope for me ever being readable

[oʍo]

If you’re an aspiring Townie who wants other people to consider you being town don’t piss off the person trying to do so on his limited lunch break.

u know town me doesn't care
but also https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=35855 this is me in my most recent completed game where I was consensus PoE and kept fighting to get out, I feel that this is very very similar to this game in a way so yeah.

[oʍo]

But also that message was mostly aimed at Kyouko lol

[oʍo]

If titus is scum, their claimed babysitter action is garbage and doesn't matter bc they are probably not babysitter.

so debating if their claimed choice is "towny" is stupid IMO

[oʍo]

manatee was in that game, but as scum. they got turbolimmed d1 and that was what gave me the confidence this game to continue that because I also had scumread them there and in our last normal together so I thought I was on a roll FWIW - I just didn't think I had the votes for it and then settled for DGB at the end.

[oʍo]

kyouko, address my points please.

[oʍo]

Votecount:

• omo (4): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria, DrippingGoofball, Saudade
  Roden (4): ssbm_Kyouko, omo, Dwlee99, ManateeDude
  DrippingGoofball (2): marcistar, Titus
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  ManateeDude (1): Roden

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: dwlee99
why'd you sheepe me bro

Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce on

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too long

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Didn't get an answer to this.

But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.

VOTE: Roden

The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

VOTE: omo

VOTE: Rodent
Kyo town?

I am masons with your mum

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

He's the only one who is actually trying to play the game.

Scum!Not_Mafia is usually happy to troll.

I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.

do u usually play like this..?

Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.

i dont think its unreasonable, you seem a bit held back this game
do you usually play so go-with-the-flow held back type of style?

I've literally never played a game with you before? What are you talking about here?

And haven't you just been memeing all game and brushing off every accusation toward you?

VOTE: Marcistar

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

VOTE: ManateeDude

So you're saying you're not paying attention and just sheeping the first player to make a detailed scum read? And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.

Votecount:

• Dwlee99 (4): Salsabil Faria, ssbm_Kyouko, Titus, ManateeDude
  ManateeDude (2): omo, Dwlee99
  omo (2): MaxTheFox, DrippingGoofball
  DrippingGoofball (1): marcistar
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  marcistar (1): Roden

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: Manatee

sorry kyouko i think roden prob town here

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: Manatee

sorry kyouko i think roden prob town here

Okay, saudade, manatee are 2 town down I think. I was ready to vote manatee earlier too. Are scum not posting? Dwlee/Titus/?

? Could be max but i was in both her previous games and i can say with certainty that entrance is nai.

VOTE: titus

I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

Roden i think ur theorycrafting bc ur reading into normal interactions on a way deeper level

You mean like me who you sheeped in voting Rowen?
VOTE: manatee

I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

UNVOTE: OMO

VOTE: Dwlee99

and I'm still SR

OMO

FYI... Not sure about

Roten

atm.

Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.

We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.

This mentioning PR part seems TMI.

I don't understand how this seems TMI. How'd you come to this conclusion? The rest of your posting tracks, but this doesn't for me.

BTW last game I played with Dwlee he was scum and was talkative. Now he's quieter. Anyone who knows Dwlee better, is this NAI or no?

So you will meta N_M but not Dwlee? Why is that?

Upon skim the Titus vote stands.

In the last game she was the same, but you were more chatty, what change?

I have less to say and my eyes are glazing over on half of these posts.

VOTE: Dwlee
I think your attention span is better than you'd like us to believe

VOTE: Dwlee

Omgus haha.

VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.

VOTE: Dwlee

Also a lot of the pushing on me felt like they wanted me to out who my mason partner was cause it obviously wasn't Saudade.

I just wanted you to play, you're coming off as very passive and just sheeping other people. Even when pressured you're just lightly flailing. I don't think you're necessarily scummy, but you're not really doing much to help town and the Kyokou read isn't good. Who do you suspect besides her?

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna write up a reads list and figure who to push from there. Idk if Dwlee is the right vote today.

Apparently no one in FIA made my eyes roll behind my head trying to read their posts, so we move to this
VOTE: Manatee

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

Agreed.

VOTE: Titus

Town Titus wants out of RVS ASAP. Not seeing that here.

What dad joke?

When does a joke become a dad joke?

Heheheheh.

Gonna produce some content?

Also Roden’s post sucks. FoS’s can be on more players than scum. It’s also possible there’s four scum we don’t know

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: oʍo

Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.

its a lot harder to townread someone being an asshole

Yeahhhh...

Kinda wondering if this is gonna be a game where town cannibalizes itself Days 1 and 2 while scum just lays low for free.

First post I have vibed with you on. You might be town after all.

VOTE: Unvote

Marci- Same reason I suspect her that I do Manatee. However, I feel like Marci more blatantly tried to distance herself. Possibly scum trying to associate herself with a town!Manatee in order to build fake scum equity.

Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

having trouble with my reads, though that isn't too much of a valid excuse. I have townreads mostly, and "they dont seem scummy enough to vote" reads, but im not really too confident in anything.

All things considered, I'm interested in voting out either Marci or Max unless someone can come up with a compelling enough case for somebody else.

whatchu waiting for? why didnt u vote in this post if ur willing to vote out either of me/max?

Who are your town reads? Who looks scummy but not enough to vote them?

I waited to vote because I wanted to see reactions to my lack of vote. I think your reaction is the most interesting, it reads like you want to "gotcha" me for not voting. But all you're doing is implying it's suspicious. Compare this to Math who made a full scum case out of it.

VOTE: Marcistar

Max- The root of most of my scum reads. She took a lot of heat early on then laid low ever since. Posts occasionally to avoid prod dodge accusations, but she isn't really doing anything. Most likely just trying to avoid attention, to the point it's becoming obvious.

I haven't been exactly laying low. Look at my ISO.

I've seen your ISO, a lot of your posts became very safe after your wagon cooled off. It's hard to read your posts and not notice how cautious you've been.

Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.

No he's just an pillion. An pillion with town vibes tho. I can't quite explain it.

Wait he got replaced? I didn't catch up yet. Welcome Math!

I can agree with this.

Votecount:

• marcistar (5): Roden, ssbm_Kyouko, Salsabil Faria, omo, DrippingGoofball
  omo (3): MaxTheFox, ManateeDude, MathBlade
  ManateeDude (1): Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (1): Titus
  DrippingGoofball (1): marcistar
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Elimination on omo seems the safest to me at this point. They haven't countered my last response to them (466) at all despite posting after I posted it. They're just oddly detached despite being aggressive if that makes sense.

Wait, where is

OMO

?? They suddenly vanished!

UNVOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: OMO

Titus is actually more likely scum than manatee I think so if people are down for a flash wagon

Hmmmm.....
Fine, will sheep you this time, if anyone from

Titus

and

Manatee

will flip green, you're red... deal?

UNVOTE: OMO

VOTE: Titus

VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

VOTE: salsabil

VOTE: marcistar I would come to manatee as well because I think this "limbo" in my reads is one scum buddying town/trying to create partner equity with town.

Manatee has better upsides in her posting. I also feel like Marci's vote has generally been wasted this game and that is where scum likes to sit when town eats each other up. Others are also guilty of this.

VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

I can definitely sheep this given Owo’s push of Titus before her claim and lack of vote.

For all the sussing of Titus she had very few votes IIRC probably looking for a Titus susser, nonvoter

VOTE: Owo

Everyone is claiming, now it’s my turn... I'm an ascetic mafia rolecop

UNVOTE: Titus

VOTE: Marci

UNVOTE:

OmO looking better and dropping town tells.

oh yeah I forgot looker was towny, DGB goes up to my townlean area.

VOTE: Marci
I'll consolidate here since I saw a lot of votes here.

If it flips scum it'd be good to just plow through manatee and then reeval only if that flips town then.

Also don't think Marci has been doing much solving or scum hunting, mainly just chatting with everyone and being friendly.

Based on this alone, she's scum.

VOTE: marci

between the top 2 votecounts, bottom VC clears Marci IMO


I know my reads aren't 100% shit so with 3/4 of my d1 scumreads being wrong on top of the 4th one actually being uninteractive with DGB slot, I'd venture to say I'm right on Max and I should have pushed it harder when I got pinged at the start.

[oʍo]

manatee do u understand how terribad it is that you think max and I could be teammates.

[oʍo]

same shit as when in our just completed game, people unironically though you and I were teamed somehow.

[oʍo]

Votecount:

• omo (4): MaxTheFox, Salsabil Faria, DrippingGoofball, Saudade
  Roden (4): ssbm_Kyouko, omo, Dwlee99, ManateeDude
  DrippingGoofball (2): marcistar, Titus
  Salsabil Faria (1): geraintm
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  ManateeDude (1): Roden

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: dwlee99
why'd you sheepe me bro

Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.

Everything up to 172 is RVS, but in no way does it try to get out of RVS

Hi I'm a miller

Would you happen to be...Informed?

informed of DN

What is DN?

Oh no.

I'm not sure what DN is but why do I feel a sinking feeling shit's going sideways?

A Death Neighborizer!?

Deez Nuts

But yeah it feels like RVS is going on a bit too long.

I think scum's getting restless with RVS and is waiting for someone to make a move they can pounce on

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Here there is a believable attempt to start solving, but since then, feels like a good amount has happened that Roden could be commenting on, especially given they feel RVS is going on too long

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

translation: stop wagoning my partner for wrong reasons

Hero solve: Max + Manatee + Marci

How serious is this?

Didn't get an answer to this.

But instead of continuing to look for solving info they're making a busy post.

VOTE: Roden

The way Marci reacted to me pushing on them feels towny in retrospect, I was just a bit taken aback at the time when they were not suspicious of me which made me feel like there was TMI at play but at the end of the day scum leans towards actually questioning people who are FoSing them.

I'll sheep you for now kyouko VOTE: Roden

VOTE: omo

VOTE: Rodent
Kyo town?

I am masons with your mum

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

He's the only one who is actually trying to play the game.

Scum!Not_Mafia is usually happy to troll.

I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.

do u usually play like this..?

Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.

i dont think its unreasonable, you seem a bit held back this game
do you usually play so go-with-the-flow held back type of style?

I've literally never played a game with you before? What are you talking about here?

And haven't you just been memeing all game and brushing off every accusation toward you?

VOTE: Marcistar

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

VOTE: ManateeDude

So you're saying you're not paying attention and just sheeping the first player to make a detailed scum read? And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.

Mmm, I'm assuming you're talking about the roden wagon omo?

yeah

[oʍo]

also trust me, salsa is town. they would probably TMI read me as town here if they were scum.

just bin em and ignore em thats what I did in our last game and that's what i'm doing again.

dwlee i'm like not sure on but I think its a good push to put pressure on.

[oʍo]

manatee do u understand how terribad it is that you think max and I could be teammates.

that wasnt the implication of my list

then your list means nothing

[oʍo]

it has no depth or holistic analysis.

[oʍo]

here's a better list:

[Kyouko]
[Salsa, MB, Manatee, Marci]
[NM, Titus]
[gerain, dwlee]
[max]

[oʍo]

Yes, depending on how long your max vote lasts.

[oʍo]

VOTE: Max
Okay

VOTE: Rodent
Kyo town?

didn't last long the first time so

[oʍo]

explain why despite what I have pointed out, you think I might still be scum here?

[oʍo]

Me questioning you has nothing to do if you're town or scum, I just did the same for kyouko too. I'm dissecting your logic and pushing you into the path that a) correctly townreads me b) finds scum

d2+ i start to get better accuracy in general.

[oʍo]

You've only ever flipped scum against me, what do you think is different than what you saw in my town games here?

[oʍo]

also part of me wanted to fake a guilty on NM because I set myself up to be a cop claim so I could potentially do the same thing again at daystart LOL

but also like my plan was to clear someone who was PoE'd that I thought was towny off of a town DGB flip and that clearly didn't wokr so yep

[oʍo]

(despite consciously making the decision to hammer, I still had an intense internal struggle that I thought DGB was town because ... yeah that was how I felt about the slot)

[oʍo]

Titus, after the finished Not So Quite Normal Game where I was revealed to be town (Taco Hemingway), how does that affect your view on my slot here, if at all?

[oʍo]

I thought kyouko was the conftown one but that's actually better bc I had paranoia u were potentially the deepwolf that mathblade was theorizing so that's relieving, except for the fact that you are refusing to read me correctly

[oʍo]

Omo stop fake claiming guilties challenge?

[oʍo]

i think i have to suck it up and give omo the benefit of the doubt

as much as like - you might think i was scummy, I myself even had DGB just above my primary PoE and ended up hammering them rather than trying to push for a CW. I feel like I showed a lot of depth of thought when I was trying to make my pushes and .. yeah.

I was afraid that someone I townread would get wagoned there if I pushed to dissolve it and succeeded and I didn't want that as I didn't believe I had the numbers to get anyone I scumread limmed, which ended up being a good thing lmao

[oʍo]

and now we just play the waiting game of waiting for Max to show up and explain their lack of interaction with DGB

[oʍo]

This wagon is too easy and you are all boring

there's 3 competing wagons with equal amounts of votes, which one?

[oʍo]

Yours, I skipped like 5 or 6 pages

based

[oʍo]

fuck

[oʍo]

Why claim lmfao
They need to explain their dayplay, I don't give a shit what they claim, it doens't clear their dayplay up. We already had a self clear role claim so there's 0 chance of that here.

[oʍo]

this is the reason I am able to be so effective in normal games as scum because people are easily manipulated by a good claim and start ignoring dayplay in lieu of it

[oʍo]

everytime in mafia games when people are prompted to claim it turns into "is their role cool enough to keep around" and not a holistic view of their slot and that's what I take issue with that kind of meta.

Yes, we can read into *how* they claimed or if their claimed actions/play match the claim, but that's not often what happens. (quite the opposite lol)

Push max to explain thought process - you'll get a better sort. Trust me.

[oʍo]

max being scum is as easy of a read as "just read the damn iso" + looking at how passive they acted around wagons. I'm confident enough to say they scumclaimed with their first post but that's just me hey.

[oʍo]

lol jinx

[oʍo]

Also I'll do yall 1 better. Max's claim should be ignored

[oʍo]

Titus is probably final scum with the terrible night visit, scummy play yesterday, and that she is using arbitrary VCA with unflipped slots to push me.

Pedit: Math wtf

"terrible night visit"

see: my post about how titus' role doesn't exist as scum ergo their choices can be whatever they want so analyzing their choice can always be knocked off as a reason.

[oʍo]

I'd swap titus and math

[oʍo]

also don't care that you didn't ask me

[oʍo]

I'm vetoing Salsa.

[oʍo]

Sorry but Salsa who shitpushes town me is town salsa. There's just players who have opposite reads on me who I easily fool as scum because I do something different that doesn't trip their scumdar as scum that does somehow as town

[oʍo]

It would be immensely big brain self awareness to figure out who I am before they outted a read on me and then be self aware enough to the point where they are like "oh yeah i usually shitpush this slot as town and have townread scum them let me play to that expectation".

[oʍo]

maybe its not a strong enough reason to townlock them to the end of the game and their slot should be evaluated holistically but I think its a reason enough to not have them bottom PoE here or even in PoE.

[oʍo]

also don't care that you didn't ask me

Don't really care that you answered, it's just that I'd say a block is only a block if every member considers every other member a part of it. So for it to be a block including me it cant include you or Math atm, with the doubts I'm having

it just lets me assert my dominance further over players I can easily read as town who can mutually read me back.

>:)

[oʍo]

Titus is probably final scum with the terrible night visit, scummy play yesterday, and that she is using arbitrary VCA with unflipped slots to push me.

Pedit: Math wtf

"terrible night visit"

see: my post about how titus' role doesn't exist as scum ergo their choices can be whatever they want so analyzing their choice can always be knocked off as a reason.

Okay see this here.

Currently I don’t suspect Titus yet multiple people do.

This means either A> I am wrong and Titus is scum and we should elim her
Or B> I am right and Titus is town and scum are pushing Titus but to shade her not miselim her right now

Why do you say Titus’s role doesn’t exist as scum? A scum babysitter would be pretty novel and I could see her doing a Shadowrun esque type thing here, crumb the truth and people discount it. But that’s more I could make an argument she is scum but I don’t believe it type deal.

my point was the target itself claimed isn't AI because scum!Titus could claim whatever she wants, and if she's scum with a visit, she just goes on whoever she wants to mimic if if she was afraid of a tracker.

its mainly relevant if she flips scum later as spew based on what the roles are.

[oʍo]

oh I thought babysitter would be explicitly town only for normals because of what it does but ig that makes sense it can be anti-vig swing lol

[oʍo]

Lunch break is over but will check back later.

If Owo is town I need them to start town telling here because then TvTVT becomes incredibly likely and I start looking in a Titus or a Kyo or Marci elim

i don't like this post.

noting this in my iso in case i need it later.