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[petapan]

it's time to get PSYCHED for this game, i can't HIDE how excited i am for this playerlist, there's no way to keep the hype in CHECK, so let's be FRIENDLY and make sure not to ALIENATE each other while we try to DETECT the mafia and TRACK them down. i don't want anyone so upset they have to go to the DOCTOR or end up in JAIL so let's act like good NEIGHBORS. i hope you can FOLLOW what i'm saying here, i don't want to have to BABYSIT anyone through this like an INNOCENT CHILD. i'm glad this started while i wasn't COMMUTING and STOPPED in TRAFFIC so i don't miss the beginning and FIND there are already 20 pages. instead i can sit down with a bowl of my favorite NEAPOLITAN ice cream and WATCH how things unfold like a VOYEUR.

are you ready, MA SON? stay VIGILANT, no MILLING about like a JACKass OF ALL TRADES, we have to get things in MOTION rather than getting ROLESTOPPED, we can't count on having UNIVERSAL BACKUP, we have to COP a view of the game ourselves. we shouldn't be ENCRYPTING things from one another or else our communication gets BLOCKED. anyway i'm going to open my MAIL to look for my GUN magazine and grab some FRUIT before i get started. thank you for ENABLING this to happen, my BODYguard is ready. i swear to take down the scum with a BULLETPROOF VENGEANCE.

[petapan]

how the fuck is 23 a bump?

it's actually really obvious. to explain this however, we first must define a bump. a "(pagetop) bump" is a post (though there can be multiple of them in quick succession) that a user makes in order to get to the bottom of a page so that they can then grab the next page's top post.

then, we need to look at the timestamps. 23 was made at xx:36:22, 24 was made at xx:36:44, and the pagetop 25 was made at xx:36:49. the time delay between 23 and 24 was 22 seconds, while the time delay between 24 and 25 was 5 seconds. let's assume that iconeum's internet is good, so that we can eliminate the waiting time for a post to get posted. and let's assume it takes our dragon... 1 second to click away from "you have successfully posted this post" and go back to typing.

25 took 8 key presses to type (one for each letter of the word pagetop, one for the caps lock at the beginning), and we know ico had 4 seconds to do so (5 seconds of the time between the posts, 1 second taken away for the loading time between posting 24 and going back to typing, assuming he spent no time thinking about grabbing the pagetop, as in 32 he basically admitted that 24 was a bump). from this, we can conclude that ico types at 2 characters per 1 second.

now, 24 took 22 key presses to type, which means ico spent an average of 11 seconds typing it up. knowing there was a 22 second difference between 23 and 24, subtracting 1 second for the loading times and 11 seconds it took to type it up, we are left with 10 seconds.

IF iconeum is truthful in saying that 23 is not a bump, that would mean that within those ten seconds, he posted 23, looked at the forum, saw that he was almost at the bottom of the page, and decided to try to grab the next pagetop. i think we can all agree that this is widely unrealistic, therefore, at the time iconeum posted 23, he was already planning to grab the next pagetop. which means that 23 was posted with the intent to get to the bottom of the page. *therefore*, 23 is a bump.

lmao

[petapan]

BULLETPROOF VENGEANCE

fuck you

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[petapan]

VOTE: yeetdrasse

[petapan]

and you try* to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

ico/peta/???

probably menalque because this world hates me

ok we can go home everyone, game solved

i wish i could run back 2180 but alas the rand was not in my favor

[petapan]

that said you're very uptight here, but, like, in a town way, not the flopsweat aura i'd expect you to have as scum here

[petapan]

VOTE: peta

fight me

[petapan]

Claim scum ? (:

i know u are but what am i

[petapan]

that said you're very uptight here, but, like, in a town way, not the flopsweat aura i'd expect you to have as scum here

>_>

u know what i mean

[petapan]

omgus classic

i prewrote that opener to troll you and you didn't even comment on it, i feel very disrespected

[petapan]

omgus classic

i prewrote that opener to troll you and you didn't even comment on it, i feel very disrespected

good

WOW

i gamesolve 3/3 when i’m home

what, can't click the link to the scum PT on your phone?

[petapan]

VOTE: iconeum

is the dragon frozen

[petapan]

VOTE: iconeum

is the dragon frozen

why
how
…

i have so many questions about this but instead i'll just omgus this

VOTE: peta

you were all having fun memeing along and responding to things quickly, then datisi hit you with a legitimate line of inquiry and it was *radio crackling noises* for a long time, and now your only response is "ugh this is boring"

[petapan]

VOTE: Iconium
I'm checking peta tonight.

jealous my breadcrumb joke was better imo

[petapan]

But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

Can't tell if sarcasm. Why would you real claim if that's your role

why even ask this lol

[petapan]

But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

Can't tell if sarcasm. Why would you real claim if that's your role

why even ask this lol

You of all people know I'm frequently dumb, wrong, and confused

yeah but why even poke at a claim like that

[petapan]

seems unfair that ydrasse has 2 accounts in this game

[petapan]

good idea


if ico's actually scum, first of all lmao, second of all think dwlee is probtown

[petapan]

uh

[petapan]

that's E-1 btw

[petapan]

i had anticipated this being a 100 page day 1 kind of game but will gladly take my prediction being wrong

[petapan]

are you

trying

to encourage an early hammer

[petapan]

lol if this is tarot 2.0

[petapan]

oh no mena

[petapan]

hi peta, quick question for you

sup

[petapan]

i wish

[petapan]

good answer, peta can be town

quick second question for ya

yeah?

[petapan]

wanna help me yeet scum today? (if ur answer is yes then pls vote for aristeia)

mena...

[petapan]

might wanna read those pages you missed

[petapan]

b/c this is, uh, not a great look

[petapan]

wanna help me yeet scum today? (if ur answer is yes then pls vote for aristeia)

mena...

might wanna read those pages you missed

must I

would it not be so much easier for you to just

tell me what you're on about

there's a reason iconeum was at E-2 when you showed up

[petapan]

this really is gonna be tarot 2.0 isn't it

[petapan]

why

are there now 8 pages

hi ydrasse

did you roll scum this game?

he does sound so awkward

Ico/Mena/Ydrasse?

is this game over?

okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

VOTE: aristeia

such an awkward pivot off an early distancing vote gone wrong.

disappointing : (

I'm sorry peta

you think this is a good take? are we reading the same game?

i think you're being scummy right now yeah

[petapan]

Spoiler:

i should have done a gif instead of the tekst

this one would have fit, probably

Spoiler:

you seem awfully agenda-y to be scumreading me here early on dats

i've got my eye on you

oh

oh no

oh no ico i am so sorry you actually fucking rolled scum 4th game in a row

VOTE: ico

you seem awfully agenda-y to be scumreading me here early on dats

i've got my eye on you

this part seems like a joke but i don't think it's a joke you make

and i really *really* do not believe that this is anywhere close to a genuine read

so what is it?

every single post you've made in the entire game (or like, very close to it?) has been aimed at pushing me around

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

and i don't see why you'd do that

which confuses me

holy mother of flashbacks

Spoiler: early mini normal 2207, last encounter of towntisi and scumconeum

but nah i can freepost to my hearts desire

i am unironically getting bad vibes from this

spicey

i'm a 1shot gladiator and actually considering using it on datisi right now

like, you *want* us to believe you're feeling chill

but you're actually dying inside

dats you open with a vote on me, and are already zoned in?

you make me feel like you come in here with an agenda

dats you open with a vote on me, and are already zoned in?

you make me feel like you come in here with an agenda

i'm gonna need you to elaborate on the ~agenda~ part here

ICONIC YEET VOTE: iconeum

ico i see ur online why lurk already

ico appeared after i called him out

beetlejuice

scumconeum confirmed

ico appeared after i called him out

beetlejuice

scumconeum confirmed

yes tunnel me please

do you want to get out of this game because you rolled scum?

but nah i can freepost to my hearts desire

i am unironically getting bad vibes from this

i mean

you came into this *wanting* to push me
that much is obvious

question is, does scum!tisi have the balls to pressure me this early and i am Not Sure

anyway i think there's a clear difference in memeing around / "iconic day 1 yeet" vs post 29 which is an actual "hey this ico post gives me bad vibes tonally"

like saying i have an agenda to push you feels like you're taking the early on memes as a serious push and that's ??? not true?

like saying i have an agenda to push you feels like you're taking the early on memes as a serious push and that's ??? not true?

i am in fact taking you here right now as being actually serious yes

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

33 was fucking briljant and i literally laughed my ass off and you know that

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

33 was fucking briljant and i literally laughed my ass off and you know that

ok

so how did you arrive at the conclusion that i've been agenda-y pushing you the whole game (prior to 57) in a non-jokingly way?

VOTE: iconeum

is the dragon frozen

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

33 was fucking briljant and i literally laughed my ass off and you know that

ok

so how did you arrive at the conclusion that i've been agenda-y pushing you the whole game (prior to 57) in a non-jokingly way?

this is all so boring and it makes me tunnely and i don't want that right now

VOTE: iconeum

is the dragon frozen

why
how
…

i have so many questions about this but instead i'll just omgus this

VOTE: peta

this is all so boring and it makes me tunnely and i don't want that right now

...
you do the exact same thing to me that you did in your last scumgame, i call you out on it, and your response is "this is boring it makes me tunnely"?

here's your summary mena

[petapan]

shit i forgot to kill the nested spoilers sorry

[petapan]

why

are there now 8 pages

hi ydrasse

did you roll scum this game?

he does sound so awkward

Ico/Mena/Ydrasse?

is this game over?

okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

VOTE: aristeia

such an awkward pivot off an early distancing vote gone wrong.

disappointing : (

I'm sorry peta

you think this is a good take? are we reading the same game?

i think you're being scummy right now yeah

...because?

the oblivious entry with no curiosity as to what was going on pivoting into the immediate omgus on aristea, it all feels very on the backfoot where i'd expect you as town to be less kneejerk reactionary and try to have some awareness?

[petapan]

o k

sorry

[petapan]

Why would town try and be more aware than scum? Both of those last two things I classify as towntells on average

pedit to peta

i think it's a matter of the approach taken to re-enter but at this point he's heated and i don't really want to get into it

[petapan]

i'm just gonna leave for a bit, don't hammer before i get back though

[petapan]

[dwlee99, ta vera, aristeia]
[dragon of the west, titanic, ydrasse]
[menalque, morning tweet, skitter30, T3]

that's my overnight tier list, unsorted. think the probable most likely world is that ico's teammates weren't around to help him out at all and that's why things went the way they did - if someone in the top group bussed i'm not gonna be able to figure them out on day 2

[petapan]

How are you so sure about Peta!Town when he's notorious for bussing and probably one of the best scum players on the site?

I'm not doubting your read I just want you to help me get there too.

Peta gives me nightmares.

PETA VOTED SCUM..................................MUST HAVE BUSSED.........................

[petapan]

in all seriousness i could go into a lecture on how and when i bus in longform games but suffice to say i see datisi pushing ico and immediately grab ico's feet and lift them up so he can shove ico into the woodchipper headfirst

but regardless i'll probably die sooner or later

[petapan]

seeing and acknowledging menalque's softclaim

VOTE: T3

[petapan]

i think i'm just going to claim here because my role is actively useless by itself and i probably get sent to see datisi in the deadthread soon since there clearly is no doctor in this setup: i'm a roaming loyal visitor

i assume there is probably some town role meant to interact with mine in some capacity because otherwise i serve no purpose


i was actually slightly pissed day 1 ended without me getting to post because i wanted to do some sort of crumb of my target in case i died and there was an ambiguous pr result

i targeted t3 because i felt like there was only a marginal chance any pr would actually target me after that day 1 and didn't want to waste a shot on someone who'd be a more useful clear

[petapan]

I think having ydrasse above me is a big mistake peta and although I know I don’t look good I still don’t get how you’re thinking it’s a good idea

that was prior to the start of today and i felt like she wouldn't have played day 1 that way as scum although that read is slightly more complicated right now, because of events

[petapan]

I think having ydrasse above me is a big mistake peta and although I know I don’t look good I still don’t get how you’re thinking it’s a good idea

that was prior to the start of today and i felt like she wouldn't have played day 1 that way as scum although that read is slightly more complicated right now, because of events

Is “events” an elaborate way of saying things we can’t talk about without breaking the rules?

yeh

[petapan]

i don't think the "i wouldn't have played it this badly" from mena holds much water because, like, past a certain point bussing brings diminishing returns so you might as well go the hard opposite way and hope people level themselves into not voting you

BUT i'm willing to sit on the claim here and let it sort itself out, there are other people to vote in the PoE so big shrug

[petapan]

skitter, do you have reads since you missed like all of day 1 outside the first 2 pages of RVS or whatever

[petapan]

you "kinda" liked me? i help put the dragon on ice and you KINDA like me?

[petapan]

okay fine w/e, like i said i'm almost certainly not living to endgame anyway

[petapan]

oh, and i don't think there's any danger of this happening, but to be clear,

no one fucking lolhammer today

before i get a chance to out my target for tonight in case there's a voyeur or w/e to go with my role

[petapan]

I called Datisi town immediately and then looked at the combined ISO's and put Icon at E-1. I'm obvious town.

nah you get exactly 0 cred for that

[petapan]

and in fact trying to claim that you are obvious town is scummy

[petapan]

T3 is one of the most outrageously bus-happy newbies i have ever seen

[petapan]

who's scum, tweetie?

[petapan]

pedit: Idk

...uh?

[petapan]

Oh is Ico just abysmal at scum so that's how his partners would know to kill him off early for cred or something? I am beginning to understand I think

he's pretty good actually, he was like my favorite teammate ever in mini 2180. not the greatest of all time or anything but he's endgamed quite a few times from what i've seen, he just got tripped up very early here

did you not catch up overnight at all?

[petapan]

pedit: Not beyond the votes. im pretty limited access

oh ok

[petapan]

@artesia
@titanic
R.e. mena

I dont think this sort of reaction is something he purposefully ~tries~ to feel, its just how he felt in real time
I believe the emotions are genuine
however, i think its something he's *much more* likely to feel as scum because:
1. He had a very similar emotional reaction to the marci flip in tarot (i.e. we have a recent example of scum-him behaving a similar way in a similar situation)
2. I think he would be upset that the same situation happened *again* so soon after the last time

Just because he did it in tarot and it ended badly doesnt preclude him from feeling the same way again

Like if its something he could control sure i think he would try to avoid it given how thia ended last time

But like i think he was genuinely feeling upset

And idk why town-him gets *that* upset there, but i can very easily imagine scum-him feeling thay way there

And uh i drank a bit so these Thoughts make sense in my head and idk jow well i'm getting these into words if this doesnt make sense lmk and i'll try again tom

i felt like basically the exact same way on day 1 but, like, meh, he's a claimed investigative pr, he either gets NKed or has to keep giving results, if he's town executing here is -EV, if he's scum he's not going to endgame, i think leaving him alone for now is ~fine?

[petapan]

actually he might have done something towny now that i think about it, maybe

[petapan]

Votecount 1.End of day

Iconeum (7) :

Petapan - Dwlee99 - Aristeia - T3 - Titanic - ta vera - Ydrasse

Minused

Dwlee99 (2) :

Dragon Of The West - Menalque

Petapan (1) :

Iconeum

Ydrasse (1) :

Morning Tweet

Not Voting (2) :

Skitter30 - Datisi

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to minus somsone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-07-31 02:41:06)

announcements

.

flavor

fire breather calls something kinda incriminating about Ico out first
bloodsucker feels towny today
skitter less likely to pursure a town!mena misex probably

VOTE: Menalque

this post feels...shady. like, i dunno, the reasoning here feels fast and loose

[petapan]

i do think tweet coming back and being like "idk everyone seems town" rather than trying to push anyone is kind of towny though

[petapan]

Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

I think this is town-t3?

why

[petapan]

Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

this is gross

[petapan]

if aristeia is actually pooky then they're locktown

[petapan]

i'm frustrated about ydrasse. has she ever done anything like this?

[redacted]

[petapan]

i like dotw on page 23

[petapan]

Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

sup

do you have, like, thoughts on the game today? where are your reads at

[petapan]

well all right then

[petapan]

PR claim is “a role that can hard guilty” but I’m holding back how effectively it can do so

are you aware that the scum know the setup

[petapan]

PR claim is “a role that can hard guilty” but I’m holding back how effectively it can do so

are you aware that the scum know the setup

Yeh, did you not see the bit where I said that I’m hoping there’s more than 1 role that can do this and they have to guess if I’m the strong or weak one (ie do they need to kill me or can they chance leaving me alive and trying to mislim me?)

oh, no i was speedreading a bit, i thought you might have derped not knowing that by acting like ambiguity would keep them from guessing

w/e still not voting you

[petapan]

Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

this is gross

why?

huh, i had thought 499 was intended as a defense of menalque, and this was t3 finding an excuse to walk back the read now that there was a wagon budding on mena, but apparently i might have misread it? i think it's still utterly atrocious reasoning based on assumptions that are pretty bad though, but can't rule out t3 having bad logic as town

[petapan]

menalque screaming "i wouldn't have played it that badly if i was scum" over and over is actually convincing me because i've been in that situation before and had to repeat the same thing over and over until i wanted to bash my brains out on my keyboard and let me tell you: it is very hard to get most people to believe that. there's a few people who will play the card of "hard defend a partner even as they're obviously doomed, then hope town WIFOMs itself into not killing you", but that is a rare sort and i'm not actually fits that bill, when he could have easily just casually kept his vote on ico and been like "oh haha looks like my rvs vote was right". does that get him a ton of towncred? no, but it doesn't make him look

awful

. so yeah i'm feeling like votes on him are no bueno

[petapan]

kinda wanna just yeetdrasse

[petapan]

VOTE: Mena

Sigh

I’m not angry in this case I’m just disappointed

Bahahahaha

Consider me voting Ydrasse instead I just dont know what the votes are at

she is at E-2 as of my count

[petapan]

Some mass omgusing you doing there

but is that a scumtell

[petapan]

Peta what's up with you?

how do you mean

[petapan]

No they are a vigilante

Peta what's up with you?

how do you mean

Idk just reads or whatever and you're defending me which got my notice.

ah

thought your day 1 was towny, you picked up on the ico vote right after me and were trying to make secondary reads rather than focusing solely on the wagon, i'm not inclined to second-guess that read right now. specifically jumped in to question that line about OMGUS from titanic because that sort of reflexive attacking of everyone pushing you is more likely town than scum, but easy for scum to accuse people of OMGUS, wanted to see where he was headed with that

right now it's like

[Aristeia, Dwlee99, ta vera, Menalque] < don't kill these people
[Dragon of the West, Morning Tweet, Titanic] < feel okayish but not enough to confidently call town
[skitter30, T3, Ydrasse] < POE

I'm probably targeting someone in the middle tier tonight

[petapan]

FOR FUCK'S SAKE I SAID I WANTED TO THINK THINGS OVER AND OUT A TARGET FIRST, NOT "YEET T3 IMMEDIATELY"

[petapan]

VOTE: YDRASSE

[petapan]

i targeted titanic last night, if anyone has a role that interacts with mine

if my action succeeded he's town

anyway i'm pissed off and it's 3:30 am good night

[petapan]

I feel like that's what he wants you to think and the scumteam hard leaned into powerwolfing

uh lol

[petapan]

now that i'm actually awake, the aristeia kill over me or mena is something

did she crumb her n1 target at all?

[petapan]

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

are you kidding me

[petapan]

that is certainly a claim

[petapan]

yes i was literally angry the entire time, including while i was sleeping

[petapan]

awooooooo

Also pooky targeted me n1, and i assume he was suspicious of me cuz he got a 'not vt' result - i'm an informed townie, and i think its fine to share this: i am informed that scum have one pr

why didn't you share this earlier? what if you had died and we had lost the information?

oh that's a good catch


no one else vote before tweet gets to post

[petapan]

loud just announces the visit it doesn't confirm success or failure (esp since skitter obviously knew she'd been checked)

[petapan]

it's just a loud neapolitan, there's no other modifier though

like of course she's going to claim non-vt because it's confirmed the check was on her and she obviously was not cleared

the problem is more that pooky is dead when two people claimed a power role yesterday + i don't get why she holds back that claim

[petapan]

I detected motion at skitt's house last night

well then

[petapan]

If I'm understanding this correct..

Arestia and Datisi were town PRs that are dead now
last night, petapan targeted Titanic and Ydrasse/Dragon/skitts claim to not be visiting roles
I also know another PR but they didn't target my target, either

So that's like 5 town PRs.

mena has been open claimed since day 2

[petapan]

the possibilities here are either that skitter was targeted by a scum pr or that she's lying and is scum

it's not a hard guilty but especially given the circumstances around aristeia i think it looks bad for skitter

[petapan]

i think occams razor says far more likely skitter is just scum

[petapan]

motion detect also makes sense with my role so that it's not completely useless

[petapan]

i would actually recommend not broadcasting who you're likely to check tonight

[petapan]

yeah, although at this point i'm not sure there's a ton more to say

[petapan]

I think we should coordinate actions before EoD

Seems likely you/me/MT are all the town power we have atp, therefore if we can get 2 clears on like dwlee/DotW I think it’s as simple as confirmed as scum!ydra or scum!titanic who was white knighting her

i can't actually do anything on my own, lmao

atp i feel like it's better for you/mt to just check independently and for me to stay at home

part of me worries if there's some counterbalancing role to all these investigatives that would interfere with coordinated actions but i would have figured something would have interrupted it last night

i still don't really like the idea of directing checks b/c i'm greedy and want to just get that guilty and if we tell scum who's targeting them they just die

but i feel like the last one being in dotw/dwlee is most likely at this point yeah

[petapan]

although qualitatively titanic isn't a bad check either, i was on him last night b/c he'd be the one person here i'd be worried about skating to endgame here and would be a useful clear if he is town

[petapan]

i assume there's no way there's more than 5 PRs considering the ones already claimed, and i think anyone who could have had one would have claimed it

[petapan]

@peta i think the disadvantage of checking titanic is that if morning and I coordinate scum will just kill the person making that check as a frame job for sure, here it’s more of a gamble they have to take

that was what i was saying with coordination, i was just idly musing on who to target

i don't have a strong argument for ydra-town, the "i wouldn't pay this way" argument doesn't hold weight for me for [reasons], the one thing i can say is i would assume she doesn't, like, go full troll on day 2 if she knows skitter has a soft guilty on her but that's still kind of speculative rather than based on anything inthread

[petapan]

ehh a look back at skitt's iso and i wouldn't really call it clearing of ydrasse, bleh idk anymore

[petapan]

i assume, like, everyone had skitter as PoE on day 2 because of how day 1 went

i regret not pressing her more tbh

i wanted to give her a chance to get into the game if she was town

meh

[petapan]

I don't feel good about your or Peta's slot (recently how Peta is saying he might not use his night action for fear of messing up other interactions bothered me)

dude do you not understand what my role is

it does literally nothing by itself

[petapan]

how are you suspicious of that many people if you think skitter is probably scum

[petapan]

actually lol it just clicked for me, by skitter's own claim there's 1 scum pr, i have no idea why it would be targeting her over literally anyone else

roleblocker, obviously not, mena and i had already claimed
rolecop would be...why? i guess if you want to narrow it down but she was likely to get run up at some point since she was in the PoE, makes far more sense to target someone who isn't likely to get voted
idk what else even makes sense, any sort of investigative would be stupid

[petapan]

He would be doing a thing that he is not at the present doing.

This is town right @peta @morning?

eh probably

i think the read makes sense from him here

[petapan]

ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

a lot of people seem to be casually slotting me as town, but i haven't heard why much.

mainly just felt like you went along with the ico vote quickly on day 1 but also feel like you have no incentive here to immediately call out skitter's claim as her teammate

ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

I feel like I must be missing something with how everyone is treating this slot

this pings townie slightly. well, he does have reason to cast doubt on a generally townread player if he is scum and being put into the poe by many, but this feels like he genuinely doesn't see it. he's not even attacking me (at this point), he's just asking for an explanation.

eh i feel like that type of statement is not particularly hard to make

[petapan]

I don't feel good about your or Peta's slot (recently how Peta is saying he might not use his night action for fear of messing up other interactions bothered me)

dude do you not understand what my role is

it does literally nothing by itself

So I forgot you full claimed and just thought you had soft claimed visitor of some type...are you saying you're thinking of not using it because that would require coordinating and you're worried about the actions being rolestopped/blocked or because you're roaming and you want to save it for targets later on

i'm not using my action because, assuming skitter is scum, there's no utility in me targeting anyone - a motion detector becomes a cop with only 1 scum left, but if tweet and I target the same person, whoops, the result is meaningless because the motion could have been generated by me or by scum making the kill. there's no reason to proxy actions through me because just directly checking people has fewer moving parts. i don't have a reason to use my night action by itself because i get absolutely no feedback on any action i take, it's only useful in conjunction with a PR like the motion detector or whatever mena is

how are you suspicious of that many people if you think skitter is probably scum

I was just listing all the slots that I remembered pinging me. And Dwlee and Ydra were pretty null reads in general. Like I said, I got really lost in all the claims. Did someone have an inno on titanic?

no, titanic isn't clear, i just visited him in the possibility of clearing him if someone with an investigative targeted me to confirm i visited. but since no one did, action doesn't matter.

[petapan]

i guess in a world where skitter somehow isn't scum i'll target ta vera but i don't think prs should necessarily choose to target me

[petapan]

i don't have anything else to say right now, can't bring myself to focus when the elim for the day is all but decided

[petapan]

i'm sorry i can't actually strongly motivate myself to evaluate everything when the elimination for the day is already de facto decided

we do not pivot onto dotw because if skitter is mafia we get guaranteed PR results since the last mafia has to carry the kill

[petapan]

although if i'm being honest dotw's latest posts are so disconnected that they feel town, i'd expect scum would have a better handle on the gamestate

[petapan]

yeah don't check dotw tonight thanks

VOTE: skitter

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

sorry

[petapan]

i don't have a good answer i'm being lazy and wanted to turn my brain off for a while

i'll do a reread tonight if we're really serious about trying to nail it down

i do very much think ditw's response to you here is towny though

[petapan]

oh yeah it's over now so i can say ydrasse's defense of "i wouldn't play this way as scum" didn't hold weight with me because in NQN multiball she was mostly apathetic and trolled and scumclaimed on day 1, i thought the apathy was townie there until she got vigged and flipped wolf

she is welcome to offer a rebuttal as to how this game is totally different

[petapan]

idk that game has like 25% of the openwolfing energy this one has, it reminds me more of FL v. hectic where she didnt try

like there was still a guise of playing the game in NQN

im aware Ydrasse will fuck around as scum but i still maintain this is the first example of going quite this far

But, i will concede that she hasn't have associatives that clear her and it is technically something she could have done, I just find it less likely due to just how terrible it is both for herself to expect it to work as well as how terrible it'd be for her partners

like town Ydrasse hammering T3 makes a lot more sense than scum Ydrasse doing so esp cause she seems to be recovering from the slump she was in earlier in the game.. dont see the scum motivation

Maybe im getting outplayed by Ydrasse doing nothing tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the thing is broadly i feel like i don't have good reasons to actually clear her aside from WIFOM of "wouldn't do this as scum" where other people have been actually towny in some way and that's the obstacle i'm running into

Oh yeah that would be a problem for me if we did huh

Mena checks within here -->

Morning
petapan
Dwlee99
Dragon of the West

I check within here -->

Mena
Ydrasse
ta vera
Titanic

?

i know this is hypothetical but there is absolutely no reason either of you should ever be targeting the other one

[petapan]

i don't have anything else to say right now, can't bring myself to focus when the elim for the day is all but decided

Talk to me about ta vera and where your head is at on ydra/titanic and on dwlee after his posting yesterday and on whether you think DotW is the last one or if that’s just too easy

on looking back at the iso, it's not actually obviously townie, but again i do give credit here for being the 4th real vote on ico, as i feel, given what we know of the setup now, that scum are heavily disincentivised to bus. beyond that, it's a bunch of

okay

posts that aren't impossible to fake but look decently solvey, asking some okay questions, also 434 is maybe not how skitter talks to a partner? i wouldn't bet the game on that necessarily but it doesn't make me want to vote him. there's also the fact that he immediately dumpstered skitter's claim, where i'd sort of assume as her teammate if they're coming up with something together he doesn't have her claim something if he's going to shoot it down right away, even if they assumed skitter was DOA it doesn't make sense for her teammate to immediately cut off any chance of someone believing her claim

it's 1:48 am and i'm being lazy but skimming isos, dotw and dwlee have towntells, i really think it's just one of titanic or ydrasse atp

[petapan]

the disincentized to bus thing applies to dwlee as well obv, past that point it's diminish returns for towncred as people start to feel the wagon is inevitable, it's why i would usually end up late on wagons as a bus vote

in theory you could say this makes dotw look bad for sort of lightly putting suspicion on ico but not actually vote him but i just tihkn his responses to being voted by menalque are super town

[petapan]

also i'm sleeping now sorry

[petapan]

hi

[petapan]

The main reason to think I'm town Mena is that I don't enter today hard bussing my remaining partner and not budging from that scumread

and yeah, I'm like 96% sure skitter flips scum

this defense holds almost no water because the thing is

scum likely knew skitter was cooked

like i went back and looked

heya everyone, sorry for missing, like, all of day1

VOTE: mena
i think you're scum unfortunately >.>

also to the loud person who visited me, i acknowledge that you did so

then aristeia dies overnight, that's a giant neon sign pointing back to her

and i think based on that knowledge, her teammate is going to want to be positioning themselves to look as good as possible because if they get checked it's game over

[petapan]

you even acknowledge the pooky dying thing so i don't get how the "i wouldn't bus here" is supposed to have weight

[petapan]

Extremely good question

Going off memory DotW>Petapan>Dwlee

At work so can't go digging

lmao

[petapan]

petapan's vibes feel a little off

I will not elaborate on this further at this time

are you ever going to elaborate on this btw

[petapan]

i'm trying to find a way to comment on hectic and ydrasse's reads on each other that won't make me seem like a dick

[petapan]

i see

i don't think that really changes the conclusion of "skitter and her teammate knew she was a dead duck coming into today so any push on her now is meaningless"

[petapan]

anyone is welcome to tell me if they disagree though

[petapan]

i realize i townbinned ta vera for dumpstering skitter's claim immediately, probably need to re-evaluate and discard that

[petapan]

i guess in a sense with a bunch of people gunning for her, if she is town it'd make sense to try to get that off but idk how viable it would be, people are going to be cautious about not quick-elimming and they sort of look like complete ass if ydrasse gets flashwagoned and skitter quickhammers and she flips town. sometimes you want to beat the rush because you expect someone else to pick up the clues.

idk like, anecdotally, there's this story from offsite about a game where someone scumslipped by making a post that was meant to go in the scum PT in the main thread, and somehow no one picked up on it at the moment it was made, and eventually their teammate is the one who points it out and he goes on to endgame off the credit from that. obviously this is not the same situation but that's what i'm wary of here

[petapan]

i don't care that much, i assume you're going to be here tomorrow no matter what

[petapan]

mini normals in my recent experience have trended PR-heavy

i think knowing the setup + the loud modifier on the neap + the lazy modifer are counterbalancing factors, my PR is barely useful by itself (but does weaken the neapolitan somewhat). we don't know what, if any, power roles the scum have, although roleblocker seems unlikely. my team in gypyx's last game had some neat toys, town seems kind of loaded here, i'd assume there's something

in the team mafia mini normal mafia knew the setup and there were 4 power roles, but team mafia games tend to be balanced to be slightly more scumsided than usual because team mafia towns have the advantage of players having their teammates help them solve the game

as it is the only one of those you should be worried about is me because if mena or tweet were scum they would have to keep giving clears and would eventually box themselves in (there are of course plenty of other obvious reasons they are not scum fakeclaiming here)

[petapan]

petapan's vibes feel a little off

I will not elaborate on this further at this time

are you ever going to elaborate on this btw

Less aggressive, more amiable

oh well that's not incorrect but there's a reason for that

[petapan]

Yeah?

i can't really get into it but i'm just trying to be more restrained because i have been unhappy with my townplay recently

[petapan]

i don't have anything else to say right now, can't bring myself to focus when the elim for the day is all but decided

Talk to me about ta vera and where your head is at on ydra/titanic and on dwlee after his posting yesterday and on whether you think DotW is the last one or if that’s just too easy

on looking back at the iso, it's not actually obviously townie, but again i do give credit here for being the 4th real vote on ico, as i feel, given what we know of the setup now, that scum are heavily disincentivised to bus. beyond that, it's a bunch of

okay

posts that aren't impossible to fake but look decently solvey, asking some okay questions, also 434 is maybe not how skitter talks to a partner? i wouldn't bet the game on that necessarily but it doesn't make me want to vote him. there's also the fact that he immediately dumpstered skitter's claim, where i'd sort of assume as her teammate if they're coming up with something together he doesn't have her claim something if he's going to shoot it down right away, even if they assumed skitter was DOA it doesn't make sense for her teammate to immediately cut off any chance of someone believing her claim

it's 1:48 am and i'm being lazy but skimming isos, dotw and dwlee have towntells, i really think it's just one of titanic or ydrasse atp

she

ah sorry my bad

[petapan]

Also I wanted to see day out longer because I did just wanna check peta one more time

I think he’s still very very probably town but I wanted to just... check my work once more there too. Probably it’s paranoia but he should be at a min examined tomo

peta paranoia is a well known affliction

[petapan]

ah son of a bitch, was worth a shot but i had to gamble

[petapan]

defense of dotw wasn't tactical but the rest is more or less correct - i felt i realistically would've townread his response to you there

[petapan]

you're gonna laugh when you find out what my fucking power role is

there were zero counterplays available to us at night

ZERO

[petapan]

VOTE: peta

[petapan]

I guess it’s ironic that if I had managed to catch up during the day and actually voiced suspicion of peta then I might have died last night in which case we’d be losing prob? Idk

Peta needed lims on 3 people, he knew titanic was prob getting checked last night so I guess he would have gone ta vera/dwlee -> kill me -> other of ta vera dwlee -> the check (prob titanic) NK -> 3p of peta/ydrasse/dwlee where they’re both prob viable mislims by then

the fact is you did voice suspicion right after the hammer, i thought killing you was a harder road because i'd have to argue one of ydrasse/ta vera wouldn't have killed tweet as a gambit, the mechanics of the plan gave no easy shot

[petapan]

Loyal visitor was a great claim fwiw imo, made perfect sense as a town negative EV role (fucking with motion detector) while being weak enough that it being not verifiable it still seems to fit

right, i only added the modifier

my feeling was that claiming aggressively was necessary to look town

the downside being i got too paranoid about someone actually visiting me so skitt had to carry the kill + she ran out of room to make an actual fakeclaim but i'm garbage at balancing night actions

[petapan]

there were zero counterplays available to us at night

ZERO

Yah I’m really sorry the balance was fucked as per

I feel kinda bad about winning this, I wish they would sort the balance so that winning a mininormal doesn’t feel like a semi-foregone conclusion

i'm glad you said it and not me so it doesn't seem like sour grapes

i think in general the average mini normal is skewed toward a different set of expectations and with this playerlist things were always going to be more townsided (which is not to say that people didn't play well etc etc)

there were 4 roles that could generate some form of guilty, whether soft or hard. knowing that those roles existed was of almost no benefit to us because we couldn't do almost anything about them. obviously this was compounded because town played well here but realistically, idk what could have been done differently, think of a better claim for skitter i guess but other than that...nothing

[petapan]

When did you realise I was the follower btw? On D2 or only after aristeia was dead?

i pieced it together the moment you talked about who your targets were, those weren't the checks a neap would make, eventually aristeia made it obvious she had a soft guilty on skitter

Yeah, I think the other unfortunate thing is that if you and skitt had swapped who made the kill which night she quite likely survives and we yeet ydrasse instead

eh, not sure, i think aristeia dying was always going to be a flashing red sign pointing back to skitter. we should've engineered a better claim but

[petapan]

the iconeum bus was regrettable but i sensed that he'd tripped up and had a feeling things were about to get bad and i wanted to get in on the ground floor


was a good team on paper, sucks how it played out

[petapan]

I actually totally missed the soft guilty on skitt from aristeia lmao, even after she flipped and I checked ISO. It wasn’t clear enough to me

right, you missed it but i think ta vera/titanic seized on it immediately, there was no chance that the entire town missed it

[petapan]

it's distinctly less about the number of elims needed and more the fact that there are 4 roles there that can guilty someone in some way, the probability something goes wrong for mafia will all that is...extremely high

[petapan]

That said I think you could have maybe marginalised titanic/ta vera enough for it to not be a meaningful threat or at least to survive one day?

I do wanna see why skitt decided the best option was pushing me tho, I think she should have gone for a pocket tbh and steered me towards titanic/ydrasse

uh i think she felt she was never living that long and decided to mess around

[petapan]

the knowledge of the PRs let us plan the night actions better (i obviously carried n1), but that was it, didn't really account for the critical mass town reached

[petapan]

ftr though dats, even if mena was scum, deepest scum member should always be carrying the kill

granted most people are dumb and don't play it that way but given setup knowledge no one carries the kill if they look terrible after d1

[petapan]

tbh mena i stopped wanting to push back on you because dealing with you getting mad was just unpleasant

i like playing games with you but i don't like you when you get that way

i'm no saint myself but...hopefully you can tone it down in the future

hope the vacation from games treats you well

[petapan]

it's cool, i also ate a ban for being verbally abusive to someone in PM over a game back in the day, still lose control sometimes, i know how it is

also probably taking a short break just because i'm burnt

[petapan]

gg

Knew those vibes were oFF peta

prob a valid tell in the past but i do actually want to tone it down b/c i felt like i played like crap in the gypyx large that also just ended by being too aggressive

just happened to be red this game