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[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Mena
e4

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Guys what does disloyal vigilante mean? I don't understand my role.

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It also says something about a macho cop??

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Oh and it mentions I can track people or something?

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Macho Combined cop tracker disloyal vigilante? I don't get it.

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VOTE: Iconium
I'm checking peta tonight.

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But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

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I'm also informed there is another vigilante so don't shoot me thanks.

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But mine I actually real claimed whereas yours was a joke so

Can't tell if sarcasm. Why would you real claim if that's your role

Scum know which part is real

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i think that's M-1

Scum^

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VOTE: ICO
Gottem
Your intent means nothing

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Dats I know you wanted to distance your buddy but you're making it too obvious.

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Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

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Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

Nah, you just don’t seem town to me fam

You’ve never struck me as someone particularly meme-y or that light-hearted so your opening seemed off and I’d like to know more about your thoughts on ta vera

Ta vera just seemed to only be popping in to possibly derail the wagon and I didn't mentally register any of their posts before that one. I didn't like it. And also you're doing this thing where you clearly seem to think dats is scummier but voting me? Why is that?

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Huh

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Skitter why do you town read me.

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T3 once faked a guilty on groupscum as traitor lmao

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Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

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My head is literally empty.

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I killed scum and didn't catch one last night now what should I do?

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Y'all know scum know the whole setup, right?
Pedit: damnit bread

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VOTE: Ydrasse

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Hero solve: Ydrasse/Skitter

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I lolhammered my buddy that got wagoned early day one. Mini normal 2216.

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Who are you O_O

Didn't I vote Ydrasse? You know where I'm at at least a little bit.

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If you back press enough it's possible you could save the post.

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I'm sort of negatively interested in any too scummy to be scum arguments. And that lolhammer looked scummy when it first came out. Like my first thought was "this is scum who knows what it'll flip"

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I think if she is town we should be looking at who TMId her as town for bad reasons

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It's a very good reason

She's a tryhard as scum and would feel bad about throwing a game

This isn't a too scummy to be scum argument, it's a I think town!her would find openwolfing like this after lolhammering scum amusing, while scum!her would be throwing the game with that lolhammer and her behavior today,

and

having fun doing it at her teammates' expense, which is very very implausible

She was doing it before lolhammering and this is literally a too scummy to be scum argument

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i’m going to open wolf this game

This is her third post dude

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Maybe she knows people like you are willing to step in to defend her like this?

VOTE: Titanic
Omgus for your bad read on me and I think you're hard TMIing on Ydrasse.

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Idk you're either scum or wrong so figure it out and get back to me thanks

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Dwlee, where's that powersolving and grace I've seen of you in other games

You look like the busser to me currently

+1

Also t3 is megascum for this post

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Just calling out bad reasoning when I see it

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Peta what's up with you?

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No they are a vigilante

Peta what's up with you?

how do you mean

Idk just reads or whatever and you're defending me which got my notice.

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VOTE: T3

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DotW and me on total mind meld >>>>

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I think scum!Titanic might be white knighting for town!Ydrasse

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T3 I'm pretty sure you're evil here

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Weak

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4. Bad post about my slot

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That isn't what I said home slice.

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Titanic/Ydrasse entirely possible based on Titanic's hard defense of the slot

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I feel like that's what he wants you to think and the scumteam hard leaned into powerwolfing

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I feel like that's what he wants you to think and the scumteam hard leaned into powerwolfing

uh lol

?

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Oh I meant openwolfing, I was tired

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Scum know setup -> know which role is loud -> know Pooky needs death seems plausible to me.

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Unless someone claims to have targeted skitter we yeet for sure.

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Hey can we avoid conftowning people on claims though? Like I think skitter is scum but also someone claiming a PR does not make them confirmed, especially when scum know the whole setup.

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Have you seen a gypyx setup?

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Can I get a claim summary?

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I do not understand the case against me

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A town skill is knowing when to let other people talk and observe. I said ico/skitter day one and pushed ydrasse yesterday, so I don't know what more solving you want from me here.

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Oh wait I said skitter day 2, but I was sus day one.

Pedit: homie what pushing on town slots did I do... I pushed ydrasse and then titanic told me off so I got on t3.

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Hero solve: Ydrasse/Skitter

^ day 2.

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I would consider asking if I remembered what your role was.

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Oh wait I said skitter day 2, but I was sus day one.

Pedit: homie what pushing on town slots did I do... I pushed ydrasse and then titanic told me off so I got on t3.

Me on D1, mais non?

I didn't push you at all huh. I was gonna say I just didn't remember but day one I RVS'd you and then voted Ico and stayed on.

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I think I asked you if you were trying to miselim me. Don't remember anything else.

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And also you're doing this thing where you clearly seem to think dats is scummier but voting me? Why is that?

This also felt like you were shading me

I don't know if I've ever consciously done shading. I just ask people questions like this to see how they respond.

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Skitter with ydrasse/DotW/if it gets this far reeval

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Well we will be in 3p so that would narrow down my options way more than I have it narrowed right now right?

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And if I come up with a next name right now, telling you probably just tells scum who to kill

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Gut says Titanic

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I'm at a Wendy's

DotW just doesn't feel like he has done much to make me feel like he is town. Titanic has done ~things~ based on my mental view of the slot.

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He would be doing a thing that he is not at the present doing.

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If you want me to give "real" answers for things I'll have to reread for more than my initial vibe check.

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Who is MT? I'm guessing an alt but of who?

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Oh I thought Mena had a reason to ask your opinion on me specifically (like if we had played games together). But if so, it looks like it would have been before my long hiatus.

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Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

Need more opinions, is this post clearing or is this easily fakeable theatre?

not clearing

Bad bad bad bad

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I don't think it does either but I don't like something about the way you said it.

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The vibes are what the vibes are.

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VOTE: Skitter

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He was loud, not simple loud

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I am now reading that context and I am very confused how ydrasse reached that conclusion.

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UNVOTE:
Floor is yours

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I'd probably kill ta vera in me/ta/Titanic 3p now btw mena

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Titanic's ydrasse posting felt +town

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pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

here's additional reasoning for why Ydrasse is town, since there's doubters

This is a townslip since as Ydrasse understood it, Pooky's action would fail if she wasn't exactly VT, and so wouldn't have heard his loudness otherwise

Very strange dumbtell to make as scum

Yes, Dwlee, very astute of you

Ydrasse thought he worked simple and that she'd only hear the loudness as vt

The reasoning is just townie from a vibe check

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I don't know what it is but some games feel better to read on vibes and some on looking at other things. I mean, at the end of the day I think any reasoning on a slot's towniness comes down to whether the vibe feels like town, but just adding layers of abstraction that are meant to help you figure out that vibe.

This game with this playerlist has felt right to pure vibe rather than use abstractions, and I think I was right about that given my reads on ico/skitter.

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I don't townread ydrasse on vibes. I townread Titanic on vibes.

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But no to both questions.

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If he is town he has advanced town win con by convincing me to townread him

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I also don't even know who Titanic's main is btw so if you give me that I'll do a vibe meter test on his games and see if I'm right before checking alignment.

Pedit: I thought you'd know that's a joke

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Just had to delete a whole ass post because i was losing my shit

Like

Look at my sig

I just want to end this game and not play anymore

Why are so many people insistent on making that a harder thing to do when it’s impossible all are scum

If I'm right on Hectic then I am making it easier.

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I really just do not feel an urgency to deep dive when it is day three and we are about to get our second scum elimination. I would be more inclined to do that if I felt completely lost in the game and had the desire to do that for this game. Fmpov we are doing fine, other people have almost won the game for me, and we are going to be killing in who I think we should in the next days. If it gets to 3p and we haven't won that's when it is more important to put in all that work, and frankly it's on me at that point and not you. You don't need to hero solve.

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What do you want me to do to make me more readable? Go ISO titanic and ta vera to form detailed dissections of their play when it might not even get to that point?

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I remember now upon some skimming that ta vera seemed to low-key be unwagoning ico (the E-1 comment pop in, the unvote) and I didn't like her response to my scumread of it.

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Dude, just eliminate scum. DotW could flip town still, Skitter could be a PR, etc.

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i think that's M-1

Scum^

Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

Nah, you just don’t seem town to me fam

You’ve never struck me as someone particularly meme-y or that light-hearted so your opening seemed off and I’d like to know more about your thoughts on ta vera

Ta vera just seemed to only be popping in to possibly derail the wagon and I didn't mentally register any of their posts before that one. I didn't like it.

what about peta pan who posted the same thing? and, it's a good thing to point out when it's e-1.

This is what I'm referring to

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You should probably have separate pools so you don't check the same person.

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Dragon and me in separate lists imo

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God I wish I had a better memory of how tryhardy they were in Ydrasse’s mini normal when town were getting wrecked

Do not mention that cursed game tyvm

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Why am I in both pools? @mena

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I am the embodiment of towniness.

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Do we have anything left to say?

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I had ydrasse/skitter scumreads day two until Titanic and t3 lured me away.

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Roaming Detective
Combined Hider Bodyguard
Universal Backup
1-shot Simple Vigilante

Vs

Complex Fruit Vendor

was a setup so I assume scum have more power this game

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VOTE: Skitter

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Not unvoting. This day is stalled.

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VOTE: Peta
Yea this seemed town-sided but the night actions were really good.

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If it's disloyal visitor—

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Thanks Gypyx!