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VOTE: Mena

welcom back Icooooo

hi Datisi hi Mena hi peta hia Ydrasse hi skitts and hello everyone !

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VOTE: Ydrasse

ppenwolfing

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meow meow meow meow

Ydrasse is trolling but I think she's been sick recently so maybe she's just having fun knowing she already put town ahead even if she is heavily suspected. Tht or she's trolling cause scum and it doesnt matter. havent read enof

T3 is probably town, i suspect that post implies he wouldn't E-1 a partner as scum which is why he thinks it's so obvtown

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T3 is one of the most outrageously bus-happy newbies i have ever seen

lol why is he purporting himself to be obvtown if he has a history of bussing?

hey mt :)

i'm not sure he wouldn't e1 a partner at that point honestly, i think he's savvy enuf to know how that was going to end

hiiii

Was the Ico elim destined to happen? All I saw was that he hadn't spoked for many many pages and it looked lik Ydrasse lolhammered. If she hadn't, someone else woulda?

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T3 if you like bussing then why are you obvious town WHAT

That makes sense if you have a nonbussing meta and only then

pedit: Idk

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Oh is Ico just abysmal at scum so that's how his partners would know to kill him off early for cred or something? I am beginning to understand I think

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pedit: Idk

...uh?

I havent even read the game!! What do you want from me!!! I only looked at the votes which is why I thought it was a case of Ydrasse lolhammering and nothing else

Apparently Ico was going to die regardless though. I didnt think that since he hadnt posted in eons when the wagon n elim happened

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I'm guessing from the snippets I know that dwlee, vera, peta town

Mena idk same with art and skits idk

I have reason to believe Dragons is less likely to be scum but it's still possible

This is prolly dumb but still guessing t3 town

pedit: Not beyond the votes. im pretty limited access

And I see. is Dats figuring out Ico such a big factor they would know to bus?

I'm genuinely curious why the ico wagon is being treated like a "It had to happen" thing so Ydrasses lolhammer is meaningless

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Oh I see dats was putting ico to the blade that's probably part of why, lol

I suppose that Mena is the only person who can be labelled as trying to start a new wagon besides Ico that I can see so far

I'm genuinely curious why the ico wagon is being treated like a "It had to happen" thing

so Ydrasses lolhammer is meaningless

i don't get what you're trying to say here
tweetie were you limited access overnight too?

I was under the impression had Ydrasse not lolhammered, Ico would have lived on. But people today are giving me the opposite impression

Yes ive been gone since Monday but ill be back Thursday

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I like the part where Titanic locktowns Mena then subsequently unlocktowns him after receiving further meta lol. I wasnt going to townread Titanic just for that but it seems like they're the X-2 vote or something so prolly more likely town

As for Mena I dont think i have an opinion yet still -- i fully buy he was frustrated with the way he was being read and it's not AI

I'm finding it a little hard to believe Ydrasse would throw not only by lolhammering Ico but also meme playing the whole way thru as scum. I dunno just seems like double unfair to her teammates

Ok not a bad skim. I called like everyone town but here are my most serious ones. I would say Peta seems really good. I like dwlee. I am struggling to see scum Ydrasse both throw the game from the start and kill off Ico giving him no chance of playing.... maybe scum agreed to meme pregame I guess..? It also feels like I lack understanding since everyone here thinks she is scum.

I thought ta vera was more likely town but I dont feel strong about it yet. Probably same thing for T3

uh uh uh ya

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Oh I read something from Dats that suggested Ydrasse only started trolling in response to when Ico was under an extreme amount of pressure, is this accurate?

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from you I saw RVS and a huge effort to try and reconcile with Mena but idk abt anything else

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Was Mena's anger in Tarot genuine? if it was, I don't think it's really a matter of him using it as a strategy to misexecute you, aristeria

skitter, what makes you think the anger in this case is alignment-indicative rather than nai? which parts do you feel he's playing up?

yes exactly it's not always about strategy or optimal play it's just how Mena felt

Definitely want to vote off-wagon today, don't see a 2 scum bus scenario, and it's

possible

even that it's all town. people were talking of intent and lolhammers which would discourage scum to bus there even if it's an early wagon which are usually safer to bus on

pretty sure ydrasse would feel really bad about lolhammering a partner without giving them a chance to claim, unless they agreed it was the move in the pt. but then, I don't see ico being fine with that move. also possible if ydrasse doesn't like the person she's hammering i guess, but ico's a cool dragon and I'm sure that's not the case. so probtown

Oh so im not completely off base then!

I will grant it's technically possible Ico goes "Do it." in scum PT but Ydrasses trolling and saying she was gonna lolhammer or whatnot lasted for like at least the second half of the day...? I thought it was already happening b4 ico pressure but maybe I'm wrong

I like u titanic

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i think my vote was scummy tbh

VOTE: ydrasse

Was Ico okay with you bussing him w/o getting a chance to play?

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Shouldn't the way to reconcile that be having Ico vote you out in a later game? Seems a bit backwards

(Consider me voting Mena because I dont see any problems with Titanics reasoning)

Strange it feels like there are so few players off wagon

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VOTE: Mena

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Ydrasse are you doing any better tonight by the way? Heard you weren't feeling good recently

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Ydrasse are you doing any better tonight by the way? Heard you weren't feeling good recently

I have 2 braincells and i have taken more cold medicine than i wish i had to today for it not to even help that much but i also slept like an extra 5 hours bcause i didnt work so that was cool

really sorry to hear that mate, i hope you feel better vv soon ♡

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What do you think you would have done in response to this same bs happening to a partner again? I am not terribly familiar with what happened in Tarot (I skimmed as it was played), but I am guessing you would probably try to save Ico, no? You're a strong scumplayer and you already know what happens from last time if the same thing happens again

Also what's the PR soft/claim/whatever from u if I may ask Mena

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I think theres some merit to "Why would I make myself look extremely bad, I've already done this once" -- but in your shoes I'd probably have been too annoyed to play exactly optimally so I'm unsure if that applies

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Oh I see dats was putting ico to the blade that's probably part of why, lol

I suppose that Mena is the only person who can be labelled as trying to start a new wagon besides Ico that I can see so far

I mean yes but also if I were trying to do it to save him then I start it on someone mislimmable like DotW or T3 or something

This is true, I'm not sure you would expect that push to save anybody. Or any push for that matter

Even though I cant really fathom why Ydrasse would do scum dirty like that, I'm getting the impression she might've only started throwing after Ico was seemingly fucked. And also that Ico was gonna die anyway

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I like the part where Titanic locktowns Mena then subsequently unlocktowns him after receiving further meta lol

Okay but what did you make of the bit where he then put me as likely town anyway, something he then failed to respond to when asked to elaborate on

I think that (assuming Titanic is an alt of who I think he is) him trying to white knight for me there is very likely what he’d do as scum and strongly reminiscent of what he has done in the past when playing scum against me

I like it more so because it was funny

Maybe he was TMIing u, will have to see

I am kinda partial to the idea that scum skitts doesnt come after you, I am finding it very hard to see that she'd want to miselim you, draw all that attention, and purport such a high read rate so it looks terrible afterwards

Who's scum thats a nonvoter then O.o?

To elaborate on dragons -- they are soft innocent

Suppose if Ydrasse is just scum there could be two bussers.

Perhaps Titanic is scum and all of his logic for why the non voters are town is in fact true

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VOTE: Mena

Sigh

I’m not angry in this case I’m just disappointed

Bahahahaha

Consider me voting Ydrasse instead I just dont know what the votes are at

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2 things v quick while I’m on metro:

(1) I think ydrasse hasn’t been playing seriously literally all game not just after ico was pressured (2) the more pertinent question is: why does ydrasse decide to play this way as town? I have seen her do something equivalent when she was town before once but it was on an alt, but I find it easier to believe that scumdrasse just doesn’t wanna try in a probably lost game and decides to just open wolf and joke and not solve than that towndrasse decides to throw in a towngame of hers that’s eminently winnable

If she's been doing it all game it's hard to understand why she was throwing before it was already a lost game for scum

But yeah, it is easier to believe her play as scum since she's (mostly) just losing for herself and one other person at this point and she knows she doesnt have the energy to try

Pedit: Yea seems like it

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Who's scum thats a nonvoter then O.o?

To elaborate on dragons -- they are soft innocent

It’s skitter, morning

Or there are two bussers if DotW is really inno

If I flip your ears will you feel better about me?

definitely (pedit: ty)

UNVOTE:

I am yet unconvinced of skitts being scum but there'll be plenty of time to talk and read later

I think Ydrasse is probably the real move for today every time

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I think Ydrasse is probably the real move for today every time

(⊙.⊙(☉̃ₒ◉≦)(ㆆ_ㆆ))

I get that she is throwing as scum but she's also throwing as town, no?

I dont think Mena should be killed today

Additionally I'm getting heavily conflicting reports. Was Ico going to die almost assuredly day one, or did he have a good chance of living had Ydrasse not stepped in? Did Ydrasse start trolling all day or only after Ico was going to die??

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This is true that Ydrasse has a lot more wiggle room as town.

I'm not sure I can justify not voting her out. At least not over Mena right now.

Ydrasse threw for town hard if Ico was town though no? Cause we'd always elim her next. Idk! I'll have to read to actually know the answers to these questions!

If she's always been trolling it makes more sense for her to be town. if it was reactionary that's scum giving up more likely. Either way she's given up now so nothing new seems to be able to b learned

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Uh oh

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Morning, can you claim your target when you get here please? Also the aristeia kill is kinda making me go mmmmmm a little bit

I believe I found Arestia's killer...

Unless there is a metric fuckton of power roles in this game and there are still people who haven't claimed their targets

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If I'm understanding this correct..

Arestia and Datisi were town PRs that are dead now
last night, petapan targeted Titanic and Ydrasse/Dragon/skitts claim to not be visiting roles
I also know another PR but they didn't target my target, either

So that's like 5 town PRs.

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I detected motion at skitt's house last night

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What scum PR would target skitts here

Dunno if it was technically right to claim role and result but didn't want to chance it

So I detected no motion around Dragon N1, and last night I did at skitts'

pedit: OH lol

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Oh right yeah

In any case he didn't target skitts either lol

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I'm like 90% Ydrasse is town and skitts is scum now but, to be fair, I still haven't read the game especially seriously

Skitts claiming a PR that just happens to not be a visitor so it technically stays within the realm of balance + qualifies as not VT seems like too big a coincidence with me noticing motion

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Tbh my guess is DotW atm

not sure Titanic would enter the day accusing skitts' when Ydrasse is such a necessary elim

Ydrasse and skitts is a really odd team. Also im not sure Ydrasse could feign the belief that Pooky's loudness cleared her / suggested skitts.. plus I'm slipping back to thinking what I originally thought abt Ydrasse openwolfing

Dwlee is also possible though altho i confess i havent read his parts too deeply yet

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I more wanted to reiterate my take that we shouldnt auto kill Ydrasse next, than anything -- i dont think it's her

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i see that dwlee and ta vera rlly couldve not voted ico if they wanted to but they killed him anyway

whereas dragon expressed suspicion but never actually acted on it

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How could you kill Pooky like that!! In cold blood!!!!

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Im guessing scum were meant to outplay us using their knowledge of what we do since we seem to work in convoluted ways

Like I suppose when they get the louds, they know what's up and what they need to claim.... I guess. idk if there are other components or not but the knowledge seemed important

Seems likely they prolly only have 1 PR

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petapan
Menalque
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Ydrasse
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ta vera
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Titanic
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Dwlee99
Dragon of the West
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skitter30

Seems like we're in agreement though yeah aside from Ydrasse being kinda controversial

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ima do my best to make that my homework for a lil later today Mena

and yeah Skitts is caught 99%

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Who is MT? I'm guessing an alt but of who?

I'm the original me!

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He would be doing a thing that he is not at the present doing.

This is town right @peta @morning?

eh probably

i think the read makes sense from him here

lol i have no idea personally, it was funny though

I'm getting a little tripped up right now -- Dragon's reads in 950 feel very divorced from the game, im not sure what to make of it

Apparently he thinks Mena or peta are scummy due to their roles (?) but also finds skitts probably scum. It's so weird that he says if skitts flips red we should kill Mena .. i just like, what

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Okay gonna look at Ydrasse for Mena and see what i think, im going to be assuming skitts is scum for this of course

Spoiler: Ydrasse (and Skitts as a side character)

i’m going to open wolf this game

Ydrasse makes a declaration of openwolfing on page three -- and i dont care what anyone says, Ico was not under overwhelming pressure on page 3. The "is the dragon frozen" part hadn't even happened yet

Anyway basically all this means is that Ydrasse didn't suddenly begin memeing as a way to like, avoid having to take a stance on the Ico wagon when it was clear he'd die. It doesn't make Ydrasse town obviously but i think it disproves that one theory

Intent

i typed up a post, and then i... clicked to a new tab without submitting it because i'm an idiot.

UNVOTE:

i am still voting ico in spirit, but it's slightly too early.

VOTE: ICO
Gottem
Your intent means nothing

hmm

This is that part where Dwlee really didnt have to vote Ico, but did anyway. It would have been fair to do what Dragon did (suspect Ico but not immediately vote or pass total judgement) -- but they place him back to X-1 anyway

And we see that Ydrasse decides to meme intent on (her partner) immediately upon his X-1.

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

This is the post i was talking about -- I don't think this can be true, it was clear Ydrasse was memeing the game away before Ico was up.

Could it be a side effect of the memeing rather than the cause, though? Possibly.

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

Bit of a reach tbh

Wouldn't that be bad if Ico had to actually claim and was her bud?

Btw I don't like Ico's scumreading agenda accusation to the RVS jokes either

a hero

Ydrasse takes a break from openwolfing for 2 seconds to agree with Titanic that her intent doesnt make sense with a partner, interesting but dont know what to make of that yet

Obviously we all know Ydrasse lolhammers Ico and kills him without giving him any chance to claim or come back and say anything at all and we've gone over that.

i also think that ydra is being p darn scummy

Skitts enters D1 guns blazing on Mena as you probably remember, but also Ydrasse. Will this stance continue? Yes. Skitt's main targets are Mena and Ydrasse

mena is scummy, ydra is scummy. they probably are not scum together tho
artesia (sp?) i got bad vibes from too

i kinda liked you and got good vibes from ta vera and dwlee

i feel like i should have more reads but honestly reading it all after the fact that's all i've got rn

Although! She doesn't see them together and Mena is her primary target, uh ohhh that could be a scary distance move

Idk what to do with ydra

Skitts on D2 kinda continues being unsure on Ydrasse

awooooooo

I'm more than a little bit unhappy that yesterday ended the way it did, not only that it got cut short but also that it ended on t3, who i was p confident was town.

my vote is on ydra in spirit

Is it known who titanic is an alt of?

Also pooky targeted me n1, and i assume he was suspicious of me cuz he got a 'not vt' result - i'm an informed townie, and i think its fine to share this: i am informed that scum have one pr

Also mena i'm a little bit suspicious that you didnt die last night

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

This is after Ydrasse lolhammers T3 and ppl are voting Ydrasse start of today. Skitts is fully bussing Ydrasse at this point but also doesn't let up on Mena as a secondary.

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

Just a feeling that you know Ydrasse will flip town and that this statement won't matter after this day

Pooky dying after targeting you also makes you the obvious culprit, knowing about his loudness

Uh, no, i think she's going to flip scum, and i'm not sure how you think she can still be town

people like to throw around the word openwolfing but “hammering people when they’re at e-1 and then jokingly calling myself a werewolf all game” is a very generous interpretation especially given the fact i hammered someone who, lbr if i was scum i would keep around for longer

Ydra you cant expect to be like 'lol i would not be playing like this as scum' when you're playing in a very proscum manner - if you're 'openwolfing' and scum and t3 is at e1 why would you *not* just take the hammer if you think you can just chalk it up to being a trolly openolf

Skitts is in entirely "shove Ydrasse into the ground" mode today of course

the issue is just that skitter is saying "yeah probably just got a pr result dont worry about what he was thinking though" when pooky is also dead

shrug

I mean what am i supposed to say in tjis situation? Not claim?

pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

What are you claiming

Of course, Ydrasse is doing the same to her

"ydra would openwolf" yes, sure, i have been blatant to the point of absurdity

"ydra as scum hammers her partner and then does nothing but troll knowing that she will inevitably be elimmed because she is a liability for how she is playing and does nothing to advance the scum wincon except like, another lolhammer that is going to definitely get her killed" is a very dumb take

and if you wanna say "oh but as openwolf this wifom is what youre banking on" like okay then that's the shallowest level of thinking and i think everyone in this plist knows that is not going to win a game at this state at all with one partner dead, unless my partner is somehow setup as the towniest person ever

like, no offence meant, but i know i am more than capable of being townread if i want to be even if i have a rough start were i scum. im not just going to go "hehe (:" and then that's it, especially after /hammering scum on d1 so that this game would not have 100 pgs to sift through on d2 when ico was just that obvious/

To analyze this now, well, I would need more context of just how hard Ydrasse has openwolfed in the past. I've seen her meme and play very unseriously as scum (FL v. Hectic), but that was nothing close the magnitude she's at this game (it also was neutral at worst for scum in that game, she wasnt throwing)

I can say that I am personally somewhat swayed by the argument that Ydrasse wouldn't resort to going "hehe :)" as scum if she were in a bad spot. But i wont disregard she's absolutely capable of doing so -- I'm just not convinced she *would*. Maybe Mena has seen a game I haven't, though

So to summarize, we've got two possibilities..

Ydrasse is either a Vanilla Townie OR a (probably) Mafia Goon who:

- Declares she is openwolfing at the beginning of the game before anything has happened, including Ico's downfall
- Kills off Ico in cold blood (obviously)
- Proceeds to meme play claiming wolf, save for a few moments where she'll be like "a hero" to Titanic pointing out how Ydrasse doesn't do that as scum
- It is also important to note what she doesn't do: she at no point tries to appear like she is playing or redeem herself
- Lolhammers for the second time, this time on a townie, a move that almost certainly kills her if the deceased is town (Which she would know as scum but not as town)
- And of course she and skitts would be mutually bussing today (and Skitts was positioned to do so since D2, although granted Skitts' scumread on Ydrasse was much shakier than the one on Mena)

It still feels much easier to buy if Ydrasse views herself as an expendable VT who thinks there's a decent chance the players she hammers could be scum. At best, free scum easy win, at worst, she's already gotten one scum anyway.

However -- to address some of Mena's posts directly..

like i think if you just wanted to meme all game as town then you’d just... meme all game as town

For scum!you it’s significantly more important to try and buy and extra day if possible by trying to look town, which is exactly what you’ve started trying to do today

If you’re town and you care about this game why haven’t you played properly up until now? Whereas i can totally see scum!ydra hiding behind “awoo I’m an openwolf” to not have to contribute (due to illness/burnout) and then feeling obligated to turn it up once the heat comes on

If Ydrasse felt obligated to turn it up, I don't think she'd hammer T3. What is the point of doing that, do you think? You know, she

directly

caused the heat being turned up by doing that, no? That's not a consistent thought process, why would you incriminate yourself then start defending?

You know what thought process this is consistent with? It's a vanilla townie who already lolhammered one scum and wants to "fuck it" on another possible scum where, worst case scenario, she's already killed a scum anyay, and best case she is basically singlehandedly winning the game. Which also is fair with illness/burnout

Also -- Ydrasse started bussing skitts before skitts was confirm town.. so which one of them is trying to make it to late game, really, at this point. I guess you could call it for cred, but sheesh it's just a bad scenario

And I think there’s a fairly obvious path to a win there for you which is that you soak up the heat by doing scummy shit that advances your wincon (like quickhammering town and cutting off the day super early again) knowing that at a minimum it nets 3 dead town in exchange for you dying, plus gives your buddy a chance to bus for cred. So no, “I wouldn’t do this because it wouldn’t be playing to wincon” is not a convincing argument

I really think lolhammering a mafia goon buddy followed by a scummy townie who doesnt have a PR is a generally really terrible play to advance scum wincon. You're sacrificing yourself for just about nothing. If you're referring to just the last elim... I still feel like it's way better play to just.... play the game?

Unless Ydrasse expects to be able to WIFOM us out and survive, which I heavily doubt

ehh a look back at skitt's iso and i wouldn't really call it clearing of ydrasse, bleh idk anymore

I can, however, agree with this. Skitts interactions with Ydrasse are not terribly important to me, because she implied one of Mena/Ydrasse being scum could clear the other, and she obviously preferred Mena. Skitts does turn on Ydrasse harder later, but that was when Ydrasse was under pressure today

We can use today to discuss more, test out possible solves, work on theories etc but I want it to be very clearly understood that there are exactly 0 worlds in which ydra is not the lim today

Especially given that she’s lying/misrepresenting herself on “oh I would never play like this”

If ydra flips scum we flip Tiitanic too as a precaution unless it’s like, really obvious skitter or DotW or MT is also scum or something

Oh, I have a question for you now!

When you say she's misrepresenting herself saying she would never play like this, what leads you to believe this is a lie? Like where have you seen behaviour which suggests Ydrasse would

And by the way, I do think Ydrasse is 100% capable of this play, of course she is -- and it is a thing that could have happened. I'm just finding it less consistently making sense from scum her.

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lemme read dat

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idk that game has like 25% of the openwolfing energy this one has, it reminds me more of FL v. hectic where she didnt try

like there was still a guise of playing the game in NQN

im aware Ydrasse will fuck around as scum but i still maintain this is the first example of going quite this far

But, i will concede that she hasn't have associatives that clear her and it is technically something she could have done, I just find it less likely due to just how terrible it is both for herself to expect it to work as well as how terrible it'd be for her partners

like town Ydrasse hammering T3 makes a lot more sense than scum Ydrasse doing so esp cause she seems to be recovering from the slump she was in earlier in the game.. dont see the scum motivation

Maybe im getting outplayed by Ydrasse doing nothing tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I will agree that Dragon's detachedness from the game its hard to believe he'd be scum. I mean, I can't think of a solid reason why he can't be this oblivious as scum though

those last few posts seemed gut towny tho

I think I like the idea where Mena/I do our own checks independently so the kill isn't going to be WIFOMy, not much point in broadcasting. I think

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Oh yeah that would be a problem for me if we did huh

Mena checks within here -->

Morning
petapan
Dwlee99
Dragon of the West

I check within here -->

Mena
Ydrasse
ta vera
Titanic

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Mena checks within here -->

petapan
ta vera
Dragon of the West

I check within here -->

Ydrasse
Dwlee99
Titanic

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the thing is broadly i feel like i don't have good reasons to actually clear her aside from WIFOM of "wouldn't do this as scum" where other people have been actually towny in some way and that's the obstacle i'm running into

thats fair cause im not sure there is any reason to say she's actively town

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the groups i did were arbitrary i didnt actually mean for me/you/peta to be serious targets

this is true that it isn't impossible for Ydrasse to do it as scum just cause she hasnt done it before -- my point is though that it's not consistent with her previous openwolf-esque games -- this one is different for sure

im like circling back to guessing it's.... idk.. Titanic maybe he's good at scum and maybe he was trying to salvage by townreading skitts and pushing mena idfk

im so tired (like irl not of this game)

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Tbh havent played with dwlee before and i tend to make scumreads not so much in the moment, its more judging the past and i mean their D1 was obviously pretty good, definitely didnt have to damn Ico if they didnt want to

beyond thtt though i cannot say if their tone/effort/whatever this day is more town or not -- it doesnt bother me, though

I agree with you that Dragon's sort of complete detachedness from the game could be NAI. It's just a bit odd i guess. i think his tone with you or whoever it was accusing him saying it'd "be a hard complicated game" was kinda gut level towny

pedit: I agree Titanic is locked into townreading ydrasse if scum very likely. His tone is good but i wouldnt be terribly surprised if he forged it

The most important thing I remember from Titanic is being swayed into voting Mena because he had decent reasons to say it's not Dragon/skitts/me as nonvoters. and we know how that turned out

and of course Skitts was very on board with that -- and skitts kind of hedged on Ydrasse up until today where she went hard on Ydrasse after the pressure was too great... whereas Titanic defends and gets to be "right" after she dies... idk seems plausible dunno if that makes sense

pedit pedit: thank uuuu

Lol I'll hold on talking about ta vera then but i can tell you it's proooobably nothing terribly special

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have a nice day and good nighjttttt

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scum did not know I visited them

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VOTE: ydrasse

however, this makes me suspicious of skitter:

I'm kind of still quite skeptical of skitter so


VOTE: T3

does ta vera scum start this day pointing out art's basically guilty on skitts

hmmmmmmm

Titanic/Ydrasse entirely possible based on Titanic's hard defense of the slot

I feel like that's what he wants you to think and the scumteam hard leaned into powerwolfing

????

Oh they meant openwolfing. i dunno

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

Just a feeling that you know Ydrasse will flip town and that this statement won't matter after this day

Pooky dying after targeting you also makes you the obvious culprit, knowing about his loudness

what was scum's plan going into today do you think

Surely they felt they had to boot out Ydrasse especially after seeing Mena and peta hard pile on there, right? Like there was prolly hope skitts managed to skitter out of that guilty unnoticed. Maybe. i dunno

I think tbh on page 31 there was hope but like that hope got immediately stamped out on page 32 when titanic followed by ta vera point out the guilty.

pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

still dont think ydrasse fakes this loudness charade thing

Scum know setup -> know which role is loud -> know Pooky needs death seems plausible to me.

Based off of this day it's like this:

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Mena and peta go hard on Ydrasse. Ta vera joins on Ydrasse but notes the "guilty" on skitts. Dwlee sees a Titanic/Ydrasse team possible

Then momentum swing: Titanic points out why skitts is guilty. Ydrasse votes skitts. Ta vera points out more reasons and switches.

Only then does Dwlee say skitts scum is plausible (so they switch).

Then I claim my guilty and it does seem like i underestimated how fucked skitts was i probably could have just not bothered lmao. But in any case obviously skitts is dead and Mena/Morning/peta/Titanic agree skitts is scum and case is closed

Titanic began the day voting out skitts and pointing out the guilty things
Dwlee started off agreeing with consensus at the beginning of day that ydrasse/titanic were scum but swapped their position when titanic/ydrasse/ta vera accused Ydrasse.
Ta vera was willing to vote ydrasse but continuously pointed out suspicion for skitts and voted when Titanic/Ydrasse did at the start
Dragon seems blissfully unaware of most happenings

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I would agree if not for just how plausible i think a Ydrasse elim was at the start of today

Like Ydrasse was a fabulous distraction.. sooo i dunno. It feels like if Ydrasse stole the show skitts might have been able to squeak out of that if it hadnt been pointed out so hard (and hadnt been guiltied lol)

I feel like keeping Ydrasse in your options is just.. better

The only problem is that Titanic scum prolllllyyyy wouldn't do that

But in my summary of how everyone played the start of the day, Dwlee is probably the closest to how i would have played as scum there -- keep Ydrasse in contention until that's not viable. Don't outright accuse partner unless it ends up getting brought up.

Not everyone's me though and it is hard to say how fucked scum viewed skitts as.

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Fair enough, scum can be more cognizant of that kind of thing and have a distorted impression of how bad things look

i just wonder what the gameplan for scum is if they accept getting skitts killed today

I suppose you either drive her into the dirt as fast as possible (Titanic) or hedge your bets and hope Ydrasse dies (Dwlee, lesser extent ta vera). Ta vera feels like they have somewhat of a hard progression to fake as scum.. if the plan were to bus skitts idk why you vote Ydrasse and only kind of implicate skitts then proceed to implicate skitts real hard and switch rather than just start voting skitts

Dragon can technically be scum who is just not paying attention i guess although i find it a bit more believable that he'd be town

not sure there are any other contenders for me

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It just feels like a losing game if you try to bus skitts and ride on the cred to me tbh

But its possible they felt they had no choice yeah.

If it is Titanic trying to do that and he successfully defends Ydrasse or whatever, are there even enough mislims for him to win

Like had Ydrasse died today i find it conceivable that scum feels they could nightkill someone favourable and MAYBE accuse Mena in the future. Maybe they could have gotten away with it. Or if ydrasse died then skitts, thats still a lot better than having Ydrasse end up being agreed as town

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Mena checks in:
Dwlee
Dragon of the West
Peta

Morning checks in:
Titanic
Ta vera
Ydrasse

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VOTE: skitts

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Oh lol guess that kinda makes sense, nice read Mena

This was definitely a game that happened

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I think it seems really townsided because we hit essentially two hard guilties but without Ico dead it wouldnt have functioned that way so I dunno

ty for modding gypyx!