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Hey everyone, this pl is awesome :)

vla on fridays and saturdays, and also until tomorrow

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I'm getting goodvibes on both ico and dats thus far

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What does e4 mean?
Also, gypyx, i like this flavor :)

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heya everyone, sorry for missing, like, all of day1

VOTE: mena
i think you're scum unfortunately >.>

also to the loud person who visited me, i acknowledge that you did so

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i also think that ydra is being p darn scummy

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i think your interactions with ico are orders of magnitude worse tho
and i dont' really care about your soft tbh

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which game are you talking about, and i counter perpetual elo + tarot ...

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i'm not sure if ydra literally openwolves tho?
the person i would ask usually is mena but as i think he's scum here i'm not sure his opinion is, like, super reliable

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my thought was that you were partly upset with iconeum not trying, but thinking about the way your posts went, i think that doesn't fit. the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

you think mena was mad that ico didn't rep out?
or am i not following this
fwiw i don't think that's something mena would be mad about, i do think he would be mad abt being in a day1 situation like that just after how tarot went down tho. namely, in tarot, we had a partner who got flipped within 3 hours and he kinda got really mad. if the same thing happened again like a week later this is basically exaclty what i think his reaction would look like.

pedit you're not helping if you're town >.>

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are you talking about forest fire? cuz otherwise idk what you're referring to >.>

mena your day1 ~being mad~ is literally exactly what i expect from scum-you with a partner getting caught within a couple horus of the day after your reaction in tarot
like if you were to ask me before this game how i think scum-you would have reacted in such a scenario how you played day1 describes it to a T

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you're not helping if you're town >.>

Me?

no ydra

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if the same thing happened again like a week later this is basically exaclty what i think his reaction would look like.

I mean, skitt
Yes, obviously I would

But do you not see why I was annoyed about aristeia? Really? Like do you in particular not see that given that again, I think you understand me on a mafia level more than anyone here?

i mean like yes i can see why you would be a bit annoyed but the ~over the top ness~ is literally prototypical scum-you in that situation so like

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no, i was thinking that he might be upset about scum not trying because iconeum isn't trying here.

no i think he was less upset about how ico was playing and more upset about how got caught again if that makes sense

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mena is scummy, ydra is scummy. they probably are not scum together tho
artesia (sp?) i got bad vibes from too

i kinda liked you and got good vibes from ta vera and dwlee

i feel like i should have more reads but honestly reading it all after the fact that's all i've got rn

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your vote probably (?) was not a bussing vote but i don't feel comfortable fully clearing you off of that

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Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

artesia (sp?) i got bad vibes from too

What do you mean? :shifty:

idk i just didn't get good vibes
how do you feel abt mena btw?

t3 i feel like if you're town i'll be able to see that p fast but tbh at the point where you entered the thread i'm not sure you get ~oodles~ of cred for that vote
i'm not calling it scummy per se either to be clear i just think don't think that vote makes you town

pedit eh i'm not sure it's scummy for him

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hey mt :)

i'm not sure he wouldn't e1 a partner at that point honestly, i think he's savvy enuf to know how that was going to end

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Was the Ico elim destined to happen? All I saw was that he hadn't spoked for many many pages and it looked lik Ydrasse lolhammered. If she hadn't, someone else woulda?

hadn't he already gotten to e1 earlier but someone unvoted?
and ~dats~ was calling him scum

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idk i just didn't get good vibes
how do you feel abt mena btw?

I'm not sure.

I feel better about him today than I did yesterday in the moment.

It just felt so hurtful when he was lashing out at me : (

I'm unsure if he goes to such lengths when he's scum.

It's complicated.

Do you know why I am worried about you?

why do you feel better abt him today?
and i do not

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Oh is Ico just abysmal at scum so that's how his partners would know to kill him off early for cred or something? I am beginning to understand I think

well more just that dats is ridiculously good at reading him

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I'm genuinely curious why the ico wagon is being treated like a "It had to happen" thing

so Ydrasses lolhammer is meaningless

i don't get what you're trying to say here
tweetie were you limited access overnight too?

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i wasn't expecting, like, an 8-hour day1 but he got up to e1 like twice in that time + dats is really, really, really good at reading him and was calling him scum
ydra's hammer was probably premature (and probably scummy) but like i don't think it changed the ultimate outcome

and yeah you feel a little lost but if you were/are vla the whole time i think i can wait till you get back to get a better sense for where you're holding
and tbh if you were scum with ico idk if you would feel so lost rn

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I'm getting goodvibes on both ico and dats thus far

Can you explain what gave you good vibes from Ico/Dats on those first 2 pages?

i liked the tone/meme-ing back and forth on p1
obviously i was wrong on ico but on p1 he sounded p good, i sort of thought if he was scum he would be more ~forced~ around dats
which tbf happened later but at that point i liked it

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@artesia
@titanic
R.e. mena

I dont think this sort of reaction is something he purposefully ~tries~ to feel, its just how he felt in real time
I believe the emotions are genuine
however, i think its something he's *much more* likely to feel as scum because:
1. He had a very similar emotional reaction to the marci flip in tarot (i.e. we have a recent example of scum-him behaving a similar way in a similar situation)
2. I think he would be upset that the same situation happened *again* so soon after the last time

Just because he did it in tarot and it ended badly doesnt preclude him from feeling the same way again

Like if its something he could control sure i think he would try to avoid it given how thia ended last time

But like i think he was genuinely feeling upset

And idk why town-him gets *that* upset there, but i can very easily imagine scum-him feeling thay way there

And uh i drank a bit so these Thoughts make sense in my head and idk jow well i'm getting these into words if this doesnt make sense lmk and i'll try again tom

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Ydrasse are you doing any better tonight by the way? Heard you weren't feeling good recently

I have 2 braincells and i have taken more cold medicine than i wish i had to today for it not to even help that much but i also slept like an extra 5 hours bcause i didnt work so that was cool

Feel good ydra<3

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i liked the tone/meme-ing back and forth on p1
obviously i was wrong on ico but on p1 he sounded p good, i sort of thought if he was scum he would be more ~forced~ around dats
which tbf happened later but at that point i liked it

I didn't think Ico's posting on the first 2 pages was very good, he seemed a bit oversensitive? I guess it is easier to say this with the benefit of hindsight >.<

I mean in retrospect sure but i only had like 30 posts at the time or whatever and that's what i thought at the time

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Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

I think this is town-t3?

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I expect scum!skitter to pocket town!Mena or scumread him for a bit before pretending to come around on him eventually and pocket him that way

maybe it's optimal to wait to see if she does that but I don't care that much and I'll probably forget about this later

I like the idea of skitter apparently having the best readrate on Mena on this site, tempting

Idk if i havr the *best* readrate on site but i think i'm p good at reading him ya

I also cant imagine a universe where scum-me decides its a good idea to start antagonizing him

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Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

I think this is town-t3?

Using meta?

Kinda yes
Idk how to articulate it but i feel like i'm getting better at identifying town/scum t3
This feels like town-t3

Idk what to do with ydra

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Yeah flashy plays lines up with what i've seen of scum-him
Or like more natural/with-it as town? Idk

Pedif yes which in a backwards way makes me think she's town
For t3 those posts dont feel like scum-flashy
He guiltied groupscum as traitor and in a trust fall game last week he impulsively startes the first trust which all but cleared the other person in the pair

That isnt the same type of flashy

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Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

Also these meta things i think come from town-him

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Aristea is pooky???

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Pooky!!!
I literally cannot imagine ss roleplaying in this fashion lol

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@mena i have a really long workday today and i wont be around-around for like in-real-time stuff till a lot later in the day

But the gist of it is basically that i dont think these situations are so different - yes there were conflating factors of marci being new and cabd being *so* annoying that i think exacerbated the situation but i think scum-you gets upset here *anyways* about being in a tough situation that's fairly irreverisble so early in the day/game, *expecially* since it mirrors what happened in tarot so recently

And i dont think it was a ~rational~ reaction per se, or that you planned it - cuz yeah trying to divert off of ico *doesn't help* if you're scum there i think, and you probably know that on some level. But i dont think it was a rational or *optimal* reaction: you also freaked out in tarot even tho u knew it Wasnt Helping

I know that thwre's a lot for me but i cant get to it until later tonight i'm sorry

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awooooooo

I'm more than a little bit unhappy that yesterday ended the way it did, not only that it got cut short but also that it ended on t3, who i was p confident was town.

my vote is on ydra in spirit

Is it known who titanic is an alt of?

Also pooky targeted me n1, and i assume he was suspicious of me cuz he got a 'not vt' result - i'm an informed townie, and i think its fine to share this: i am informed that scum have one pr

Also mena i'm a little bit suspicious that you didnt die last night

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

are you kidding me

Nope

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

Just a feeling that you know Ydrasse will flip town and that this statement won't matter after this day

Pooky dying after targeting you also makes you the obvious culprit, knowing about his loudness

Uh, no, i think she's going to flip scum, and i'm not sure how you think she can still be town

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people like to throw around the word openwolfing but “hammering people when they’re at e-1 and then jokingly calling myself a werewolf all game” is a very generous interpretation especially given the fact i hammered someone who, lbr if i was scum i would keep around for longer

Ydra you cant expect to be like 'lol i would not be playing like this as scum' when you're playing in a very proscum manner - if you're 'openwolfing' and scum and t3 is at e1 why would you *not* just take the hammer if you think you can just chalk it up to being a trolly openolf

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awooooooo

Also pooky targeted me n1, and i assume he was suspicious of me cuz he got a 'not vt' result - i'm an informed townie, and i think its fine to share this: i am informed that scum have one pr

why didn't you share this earlier? what if you had died and we had lost the information?

A) i'm not dying at night this game (and if you think i am you have a very flawed understanding of the gamestate)
B) what are we doing with this information exactly
C) gicen that both days were literally hammered before i could really play when was i meant to be saying this ?

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

why would he do that with ydra but the opposite with inconeum?

I mean defending ico kinda backfired, no?

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the issue is just that skitter is saying "yeah probably just got a pr result dont worry about what he was thinking though" when pooky is also dead

shrug

I mean what am i supposed to say in tjis situation? Not claim?

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pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

What are you claiming

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I detected motion at skitt's house last night

Well i certainly did not go anywhere

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This was A Game, i suppose

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That said I think you could have maybe marginalised titanic/ta vera enough for it to not be a meaningful threat or at least to survive one day?

I do wanna see why skitt decided the best option was pushing me tho, I think she should have gone for a pocket tbh and steered me towards titanic/ydrasse

I was already guilted at that point and we knew that you were gonna be an annoying pr and i think you were somewhat viable that day
And i was p sure town-me would majorly scumread your day1 so it was hard for me to cone up for reasons to townread you
And knowing that i wasnt gonna be the last scum kinda made me feel like i could take some ~risks~ and try something that i wouldnt gave normally
I think if ydrasse hadnt hammeted it would have gone better

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This right after tarot was a lot, kinda makes me wonder id i can really keep up anymore
Got implicated for missing a <8hour day1 twice in a row now >.>

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Oh, really? I was thinking town!you was one of the only people here who I could count on to read me correctly in spite of D1 with another hero-read (like in that other... was it also a mini normal? idr)

But okay, I get the way you were approaching it overall more now given the knowledge of the guilty

I wouldn’t disagree that I was still maybe viable, and I guess if you figured you were guilty it hurt a lot less for me to think you’re scum than it might have done if you’d been planning on being in lylo

Yeah basically. I wasnt endgaming here so i felt like i could try things i wouldnt have notnally

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Also gg town, you guys played really well

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) Loud follower does not have a counter. The counter cannot simply “be good and creative”. Imagine for a moment loud follower and loud roleblocker + goons is the whole setup. Once down to the last goon follow the cop takes place. Roleblocker and follower work in tandem and scum can’t do shit. Scum have to be given a way to prevent follow the cop (follower).

3) Knowledge of how screwed you are and no ability to do anything about it can be rather demoralizing. This has been a trend rather sitewide. Calculasia was also guilty of this too on a worse scale. Informed is not some fix for the amount of power it just tells scum they can’t bus 99% of the time how it’s used here. Unless informed actively helps day play strategy it just tells scum “we gave town a lot of power good luck”.

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