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My post?

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Gypyx needs to remember to lock his threads

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Maybe he did that on purpose for flavour reasons

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Wow, can’t believe I get first post twice

Now let’s all VOTE: iconeum for an

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D1 lim!

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IT AUTOCORRECTED GODDAMNIT

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ic*

ah well I get to make it better now

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why

are there now 8 pages

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hi ydrasse

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did you roll scum this game?

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hi peta, quick question for you

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okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

VOTE: aristeia

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did you roll scum this game?

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good answer, peta can be town

quick second question for ya

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i rolled wolf

I'm not sure I believe you yet

wanna do me a solid?

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wanna help me yeet scum today? (if ur answer is yes then pls vote for aristeia)

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okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

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I want to yeet aristeia

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wanna help me yeet scum today? (if ur answer is yes then pls vote for aristeia)

mena...

might wanna read those pages you missed

must I

would it not be so much easier for you to just

tell me what you're on about

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b/c this is, uh, not a great look

y

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okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

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I want to yeet aristeia

(1) why
(2) did you read my case on iconeum and why do you not want to vote him

(1) bc calling me awkward off the basis of 2 posts is just about the worst fucking take I think I've ever seen pooky have
(2) no I didn't and it's not a case of me not wanting to vote him it's a case of me currently wanting to yeet pooky out the fucking wall

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i rolled wolf

I'm not sure I believe you yet

wanna do me a solid?

awoooooooo

what’s up

want to vote

for aristeia

?

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scumdrasse is not a read that is set in stone for me, mena is quickly taking that place

cool beans dude

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this really is gonna be tarot 2.0 isn't it

no, because I'm not scum lol

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why

are there now 8 pages

hi ydrasse

did you roll scum this game?

he does sound so awkward

Ico/Mena/Ydrasse?

is this game over?

okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

VOTE: aristeia

such an awkward pivot off an early distancing vote gone wrong.

disappointing : (

I'm sorry peta

you think this is a good take? are we reading the same game?

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can you just
do cliffnotes?

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wait that is pooky? i thought that was isis lmfao

oh I guess it could be isis, but I think the arrogance rings more of pooky

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why

are there now 8 pages

hi ydrasse

did you roll scum this game?

he does sound so awkward

Ico/Mena/Ydrasse?

is this game over?

okay icon I think you can have a stay of execution

VOTE: aristeia

such an awkward pivot off an early distancing vote gone wrong.

disappointing : (

I'm sorry peta

you think this is a good take? are we reading the same game?

i think you're being scummy right now yeah

...because?

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why

are there now 8 pages

Mena this post felt off/awkward to me as well

Probably because the why is separated from the rest

because I don't type like that literally all the time?

the way you re-entered the thread and avoided talking about the one thing that's happened so far in the game is really very awkward : (

because I haven't read more than like the first page and half of page 2 when I was on my 10 minute break at work

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so how exactly is that awkward

please, enlighten me

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I don't think I'm being very arrogant.

I apologize if that's the feeling you get from my posting : (

acting like you think you have a good read on me based on 3 posts is arrogant, yes

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because I haven't read more than like the first page and half of page 2 when I was on my 10 minute break at work

Wouldn't it make sense to read the only thing that's happened in this game before jumping back into thread then?

It barely takes five minutes to read most of the Ico/Datisi back and forth that led to Ico Wagon.

no, because I literally

got here

and made a comment about how it was 8 pages

because the fact that thread has done 8 pages since morning is mental and im busy

and then you tried to pivot that into calling me awkward and making out that I'm scum

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I think I am provably less likely to complain about game speed when scum because I know it's perceived as scummy, although I still do it sometimes to avoid trust telling

but like, it's the worst possible fucking take you could have and I absolutely don't believe it's real

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shock! horror! maybe I'm talking to ydrasse and peta because I like talking to ydrasse and peta

again, I don't believe you. I don't think you see me post "why

are there 8 pages already"

and have the thought "oh wow so awkward mena probably scum with icon"

I don't even disagree with the icon!scum take bc my impression on his early posts was just... not vibing with me. but still, like, your conclusion there doesn't seem even vaguely real to me

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the oblivious entry with no curiosity as to what was going on pivoting into the immediate omgus on aristea

I HAD JUST GOT HERE

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JESUS H MOTHERLOVING CHRIST

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HOW IS THIS A THING

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i'd expect you as town to be less kneejerk reactionary

HAVE WE LITERALLY EVER MET

WHAT ABOUT MY TOWNPLAY IN THE LAST 2 YEARS HAS EVER SCREAMED "NON KNEEJERK REACTIONARY TO YOU?"

LIKE ME BEING VERY AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THREAD IS PROBABLY

THE KEY MARKER OF MY SCUMGAME

IF SKITT ISN'T IN THE GAME

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I want to yeet the ever-loving fuck out of aristeia still

I absolutely don't believe this is a genuine thought process

I think the most irritating thing here is that I don't think aris/peta can be scum together but gods I wish they both were so I don't have to entertain the idea that at least one of them is town who genuinely had the thoughts they've claimed to have so far

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i for one do believe mena would in fact be dumb as bricks as town upon entry to a Mafiascum Thread

thank you oh my god someone who finally acknowledges how wildly fucking oblivious I am

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Do you have an actual opinion of whether Ico is scum?

I

literally

just

said

that

I

didn't

like

his

opening

posts

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because right now your kneejerk reaction of OMGUSing me when I haven't even gone to try to eliminate you doesn't actually make sense from a town perspective.

How are you even seeing a threat from me if you don't have an opinion on what Iconeum flips as?

I don't see a threat from you so much as I see someone who is driving me up the fucking wall and who I think is being entirely insincere

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Not my proudest read but Mena pretty much locktown

you should read his play in perpetual mylo and tarot if you think Scum!Mena is incapable of this level of tonal hysterics.

me getting pissed off

is not alignment indicative

when bullshit is going down

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Do you think I'm trying to eliminate my scum partner Ico and then use his red flip to kill you tommorrow?

I don't fucking know, maybe? it's kind of hard to know though because again, I HAVEN'T READ THE GAME

which is something I'd, y'know, like to do

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if you thought the ico flip was inevitable or going to happen at speed then yes, I think it's entirely possible you try to bus and start setting up for later days

it's what I'd do as scum

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No that’s isis for sure

don't think it's isis because I normally only want to murderise the shit out of isis when I know it's her, I tend to find her towny when she's secret alting

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this kinda hardpush onto someone else while soft-defending ico is the exact thing he would be doing here

WHERE DID I SOFT DEFEND ICONEUM

ARE WE READING THE SAME GAME

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datisi the ONLY comments

I have made on iconeum at this point

were to call him scum

honestly I'm just going to start doing the bork/bell trust tell in future seeing as moderation doesn't give a fuck about it

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just won't play any scum games anymore but will never acknowledge that's what I'm doing so that I just get locktowned by everyone when I actually want to play (a la this game) and don't have to deal with this shit and can just function as an IC

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disclaimer: I will

not

in fact break site rules by doing that

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that being said it's genuinely utterly fucking ridiculous how accepted it is for people to just not try as scum to have easy town games

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Ahhhhhh

mena stop

I actually have to because this game is infuriating (I'm not that worked up tho, so don't worry, everyone here is not an asshole which was not the case in e.g. tarot)

but also bc I'm already half an hour late for when I planned to go to the supermarket

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okay I'll be back

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maybe I really should just stop playing mafia altogether I stg

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Datisi, Mena, Aristeia more likely to be town so far

Y me

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VOTE: dwlee

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Is dragon of the west an alt?

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I don't think you threatening to ragequit mafia altogether is in your scumrange and I don't know yet how I would feel if it was : (

Really not in the mood to talk to you whoever you’re an alt of. Appreciate the effort to be kind in earlier post but still not in the mood.

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I tentatively think ta vera and T3 may be town, which as I’ve now said that makes them like probably an 80% lock of being scum

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i think if we flip ico today and he greens then we sure as shit yeet the fuck out of you tomorrow

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Actually I don’t really like your posting this game and that’s making me hesitant on ico

I want to talk to skitter and MT

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ico/ydra/???

someone out of mena/titanic/whoever the fuck hasn't posted yet

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

I dislike all of these posts and think you’re talking shit

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ico/ydra/???

someone out of mena/titanic/whoever the fuck hasn't posted yet

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

I dislike all of these posts and think you’re talking shit

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Actually I think I hate everything about your positioning around me so far and I’d yeet you over ico without reading any of his posts on the basis of that

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T3
ta vera

icon?

ydrasse

(Skitt, MT, dotw)

Titanic

Peta
Datisi
Dwlee

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my position around you so far has been "i can see you being town but i can also see you being an ico scumbuddy defender"

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scumdrasse is not a read that is set in stone for me, mena is quickly taking that place

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(2) if ico and mena are scum together, this kinda hardpush onto someone else while soft-defending ico is the exact thing he would be doing here

mena, could you stop posting so you calm down, read me/ico in context, and then come back?

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...

no I wasn’t

And secondly yes I don’t believe that because when have I ever done that as scum

If I go all in to save a buddy, I call them hard town for the WIFOM

If not I bus

There is maybe one scumgame ever, which was the mini normal where misty repped in and I somehow got icon to misyeet micc in lylo, where I soft defended a buddy and that was more or less only because I like misty and felt bad about insta bussing her


You know all this and are still suggesting my play here MIGHT be scum!me

Last game I thought you were acting paranoid about me past a point where you should have been and you were scum

This game you are again wilfully choosing to ignore what I do when town vs when scum to fit a goal

Ergo you are scum and can die

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(1) town!mena is 100% capable of entering a thread and not knowing jack shit what is going on but also

This

Is in no way relevant to the broader point of your progression on me that I was making

Saying town!me can be oblivious isn’t related to you saying that I’m replacing ydrasse as a lockscum read, only to then try to get me to “calm down” and “revisit things”

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Yes

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And secondly yes I don’t believe that because when have I ever done that as scum

lol i literally *just* saw you go "uh i'm not sure on [partner] but i wanna push [not partner]" when your partner was under fire and that let you transition onto pushing not your partner so don't be full of shit please

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Where

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Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

Nah, you just don’t seem town to me fam

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You’ve never struck me as someone particularly meme-y or that light-hearted so your opening seemed off and I’d like to know more about your thoughts on ta vera

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dead silence

I’m pretty sure I said I was TRing nathann outright there?

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No

Mostly you just don’t give me the Good Vibes and I feel like okay enough with the rest of the thread to want to yeet in (you, VFP) today and then have a lower tier of (burger, bugs)

T3 is i think likely town regardless of VFP alignment

Mom gave me sufficient pings that I’m not interested in her today

Nathan deciding to come back and push mom of all people is like lolworthy if he’s scum bc it’s so obviously not happening

Thana is probably the weakest TR of the 4 and like I might be wrong here but her resistance to voting is reminiscent of how she played ydra’s mini imo and I think she’s just being methodical in her thought processes? Actually she should maybe be in a tier with bugs which is like a bit above burger

So then bugs is like ehhh I don’t really feel town but also doesn’t scream scum to me which is what I would expect from scum bugs (maybe a tiny bit concerning that I don’t want to yeet bugs harder, à la my T3 read)

Which leaves like (you, VFP, burger) where I think burger could be town who scum are circling around as a compromise D1 lim which then leaves me with... you and VFP neither of which have posted anything that made me go “hmm that seemed like a town thought” and you specifically haven’t said anything that makes me think your town in your responses to me, just like you’re not giving up and rolling over

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I mostly just avoided talking about nathann at all which is very different from here where I haven’t shied away from talking about icon at all

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Is dragon of the west an alt?

Nah, I'm not an alt. Just haven't played much even though my account is old

Thanks, just wasn’t sure

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Also I decided to shitwagon dwlee that game to save nathann because (no offence T3 or dwlee) it was a relatively weak table and I figured I could maybe get away with forcing something through that was based on total horseshit

I absolutely don’t believe that you believe that I would think the same way in this PL

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Please say ydra was already on

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Kill ydrasse tomorrow

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I think that's parity

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For fuck’s sake datisi

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What the shit

You think

I

would ever make the kill here

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Jesús Christ

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Minimum 1 scum between (MT, DotwW, skitt)

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Datisi — RIP

— locktown
Dwlee
Petapan

Aristeia— i guess also town but also still honestly kind of pissed off about D1

T3 — p sure these fam are town
ta vera

Titanic — bussing scum? I mean I’d have a better idea if not for datisi >.>

(DotW, Skitt, MT) from scummiest to towniest of the pool with the guaranteed 1 scum min among the three

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Oh, and this is obvious VOTE: ydrasse

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VOTE: menalque

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that being said it's genuinely utterly fucking ridiculous how accepted it is for people to just not try as scum to have easy town games

what made you think of this?

why did you scumread dwlee?
why did you townread me and t3?

oh uh, idk, maybe the fact that aristeia was targeting me and being snipey for horseshit reasons

I have really tried to calm down and I am less annoyed with Aristeia now but like you clearly know me why the fuck did you think immediately calling me awkward was any kind of good idea

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Now I feel mean but like

I read through again once I’d calmed down and like, I’m sorry, it’s probably me, but I couldn’t cease to be irritated by that take and then peta backing to especially now that I’ve read his entrance and progression I’m like at least 90% on peta!town

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why did you scumread dwlee?
why did you townread me and t3?

dwlee felt different to what I’ve seen from town!him before where I think he has, in general, been more serious, so the very lighthearted tone seemed off to me

T3 had more or less the same exact reaction to the thread as I did and I can’t help but TR that. Tbf i often want to throw T3 s thread and so maybe not wanting to do that should be a warning sign but it may also just be a sign he’s getting better.

You... I don’t remember that well? I think you reminded me of in that other datisi game with nsg, but once I looked at you in ISO k didn’t think it was that clearing. But then I thought more and idk, just had the conviction that you’re really town. Can’t put it better than thst

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VOTE: menalque

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that being said it's genuinely utterly fucking ridiculous how accepted it is for people to just not try as scum to have easy town games

what made you think of this?

why did you scumread dwlee?
why did you townread me and t3?

oh uh, idk, maybe the fact that aristeia was targeting me and being snipey for horseshit reasons

that has no relation to the point about some people not trying as scum.

It does I was saying that I should do that because then anyone pushing me on as weak a basis of “your first three posts seemed awkward and therefore obvscum because you don’t have any idea what to do around scum” would get insta fucking yeeted by me as sooon as I put any sort of effort in thereby making me an incredibly easy meta solve and making anyone choosing not to obvious solve me to simply the game is much more likely scum who doesn’t want to initiate

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How are you so sure about Peta!Town when he's notorious for bussing and probably one of the best scum players on the site?

I'm not doubting your read I just want you to help me get there too.

Peta gives me nightmares.

I can’t do you much better than “i was originally targeting peta with my check bc I was paranoid but then I switched to Titanic bc after rereading peta’s start of day and then progression onto icon, the whole thing just screamed town to me” definitely enough that I want to cull the other potential violent first

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I am inclined to believe Ydrasse

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seeing and acknowledging menalque's softclaim

VOTE: T3

Is it a soft claim when I outright say it?

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I think having ydrasse above me is a big mistake peta and although I know I don’t look good I still don’t get how you’re thinking it’s a good idea

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I am unlikely to vote outside of ydrasse/DotW today, maybe skitt or MT if either just fails to turn up at all

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seeing and acknowledging menalque's softclaim

VOTE: T3

Is it a soft claim when I outright say it?

What's your claim?

I can deliver hard guilties but I don’t want to reveal how powerful I am

Want to make scum have to choose to make it so it’s painful and does a lot or that they can be trained at home s lot but not that much

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i also think that ydra is being p darn scummy

So kill ydra and let’s see if scum kill me or take a risk on me delivering one of them

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the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

What do you mean

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i think your interactions with ico are orders of magnitude worse tho
and i dont' really care about your soft tbh

Why are my interactions far worse

I mean

They’re not good but I beseech you to think back on the game where I recently hardmislimmed you

And you insisted you were town because scum wouldn’t have played that badly

We’re in the reverse version of that now

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I think having ydrasse above me is a big mistake peta and although I know I don’t look good I still don’t get how you’re thinking it’s a good idea

that was prior to the start of today and i felt like she wouldn't have played day 1 that way as scum although that read is slightly more complicated right now, because of events

Is “events” an elaborate way of saying things we can’t talk about without breaking the rules?

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Idk I think scum!ydra is entirely willing to drop hammer on w buddy if she thinks it buys time/mislims

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the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

What do you mean

iconeum didn't replace out when he got his scum pm

That’s not what I’m talking about

I’m saying

i

should stop trying in my scumgames until it becomes so obvious when I’m scum and when I’m town that it would make it impossible for scum to push me for BS reasons (like, first 3 posts being “awkward”)

Again not actually gonna do this but there’s more than one or two players who are so obvious that they need to score or they’re out.

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which game are you talking about, and i counter perpetual elo + tarot ...

Menalque was alting and was very supportive of a skitter speed!yeet.

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i'm not sure if ydra literally openwolves tho?
the person i would ask usually is mena but as i think he's scum here i'm not sure his opinion is, like, super reliable

I mean I’m also concerned because I think if you’re scum then I’m a lim I think you need so your read on me is maybe very biased. I’m also concerned bc you have the most accurate read rate on me on site in.. enough. But you’re calling me scum for how I’ve played this up to here. Seriously?

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you're not helping if you're town >.>

Me?

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if the same thing happened again like a week later this is basically exaclty what i think his reaction would look like.

I mean, skitt
Yes, obviously I would

But do you not see why I was annoyed about aristeia? Really? Like do you in particular not see that given that again, I think you understand me on a mafia level more than anyone here?

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so, my idea might actually be applicable.

I am very confused

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i don't think the "i wouldn't have played it this badly" from mena holds much water because, like, past a certain point bussing brings diminishing returns so you might as well go the hard opposite way and hope people level themselves into not voting you

Cool but can you remember how deeply fucking wrong you were next time we’re playing together and you make this argument

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are you talking about forest fire? cuz otherwise idk what you're referring to >.>

mena your day1 ~being mad~ is literally exactly what i expect from scum-you with a partner getting caught within a couple horus of the day after your reaction in tarot
like if you were to ask me before this game how i think scum-you would have reacted in such a scenario how you played day1 describes it to a T

I think if you think about how I phrased my answer compared to how I normally talk it should be fairly obvious what I’m talking about

And I mean I think you’re to some degree comparing apples to oranges here and I find it weird bc you know exactly why I was so *particularly* annoyed in that game, and it was significantly to do with marci being new and to do with how incredibly fucking obnoxious cabd was. Here I think I’d be irritated with ico if I’d been his scumbuddy but I think you’re reaching if your argument is that I would decide best play is to (1) hop off the wagon (2) get into a fight with a datisi that I knew was confirmed town pushing my buddy and say that his takes were so fucking awful that he had to be scum (still annoyed with the fact he decided to roleblock me like again, what the shit datisi, even if I were scum there’s no way I was ever making the kill last night jfc) and (3) to get really fucking angry in main thread when everyone knows it’s NAI for me depending on what’s happening and it wasn’t like it was instrumental or helpful at all, plus if anything it probably made life harder for me here than if I’d just raged in scum pt and hardbussed

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Not sure if that’s literally everything but I’m trying to stay concise

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I want to say skitter is hard scum for her take on me but the fact that dats was apparently also oblivious enough to think I was ever playing around icon scum like that means I guess I have to give her a pass

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Or at least like, not lock her in as being scum for the lack of nuance in her take

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if the same thing happened again like a week later this is basically exaclty what i think his reaction would look like.

I mean, skitt
Yes, obviously I would

But do you not see why I was annoyed about aristeia? Really? Like do you in particular not see that given that again, I think you understand me on a mafia level more than anyone here?

i mean like yes i can see why you would be a bit annoyed but the ~over the top ness~ is literally prototypical scum-you in that situation so like

Why do you think me being over the top is a scum aspect for me? You’ve seen me be over the top and angry as town plenty of times

Remember, I’ve only ever been banned once for toxicity and that was a towngame and nearly all the games I received warnings for were towngames

The fact that I get angry as scum TOO is why it’s NAI, but it’s definitely not more indicative of scum!me?

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no, i was thinking that he might be upset about scum not trying because iconeum isn't trying here.

no i think he was less upset about how ico was playing and more upset about how got caught again if that makes sense

Right, but in what world is my response to go “well my buddy is sunk might as well make myself look awful too”

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you "kinda" liked me? i help put the dragon on ice and you KINDA like me?

I mean it almost certainly doesn’t help bc it’s me saying it in this position but I had you as locktown from the overnight reread so

Yes, I think skitt trying to position to mislim me (especially when scum probably have guessed which role I have, I’m hoping there are multiple possible things that might be able to guilty since they’re not sure how strong mine is) when scum would definitely want to get rid of town PR me even more than they’d just want to mislim me in general as a viable target makes me think that skitt here is scummy

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artesia (sp?) i got bad vibes from too

What do you mean?

I also find this a bizarre take to have alongside calling me scum

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What do you think you would have done in response to this same bs happening to a partner again? I am not terribly familiar with what happened in Tarot (I skimmed as it was played), but I am guessing you would probably try to save Ico, no? You're a strong scumplayer and you already know what happens from last time if the same thing happens again

Also what's the PR soft/claim/whatever from u if I may ask Mena

No, i absolutely wouldn’t when Ico was that fucked and he’s experienced enough to know better and not count on a save attempt

I would’ve been annoyed because I generally try to preserve buddies on D1 even if they’re bad to then kill them on D2, but I think ico was doomed enough here that I would’ve left my vote on, agreed with the case, and then advocated for PoEing everyone not on wagon

PR claim is “a role that can hard guilty” but I’m holding back how effectively it can do so

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Full disclosure I was partly irritated because ico pinged me as scummy but I arrived so late that I wasn’t going to get any of the glory for calling him scum and I think that made me want datisi/aristeia to be scum because then I’d get to have the correct solve

I stand by aristeia’s “mena is awkward” thing (off’ve 3 posts!!!) being absolutely fucking terrible but I also feel bad for upsetting her with my reaction

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i’m guilty

I know and yet this town will still, somehow, lim me before you and I will facepalm myself into next year

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That said, just to check, jesters are non-normal right?

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If she hadn't, someone else woulda?

I only didn’t because I wanted to let skitter arrive to provide thoughts

Dats probably wouldn’t have

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you’re just jealous i’m getting away with it

It is mildly frustrating, yes, given that I’m actually trying and that’s going to be wound back round into “mena is being agenda-y“ by probably skitter but also probably town who aren’t going to be able to get over the “Wait But What If Mena Did Try To Save Ico”

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PR claim is “a role that can hard guilty” but I’m holding back how effectively it can do so

are you aware that the scum know the setup

Yeh, did you not see the bit where I said that I’m hoping there’s more than 1 role that can do this and they have to guess if I’m the strong or weak one (ie do they need to kill me or can they chance leaving me alive and trying to mislim me?)

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you’re just jealous i’m getting away with it

It is mildly frustrating, yes, given that I’m actually trying and that’s going to be wound back round into “mena is being agenda-y“ by probably skitter but also probably town who aren’t going to be able to get over the “Wait But What If Mena Did Try To Save Ico”

i for one have a werewolf agenda

Again, that much is relatively clear :p

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Oh is Ico just abysmal at scum so that's how his partners would know to kill him off early for cred or something? I am beginning to understand I think

He’s inconsistent, he’s either the hard carry for the team or he goes down in flames

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It just felt so hurtful when he was lashing out at me : (

I am genuinely sorry about this, maybe it’s something to talk about in post game but given that we clearly know one another I’m honestly so confused by why you thought calling me “awkward and scummy” from like 3 posts was a good idea when (I would suspect) you would know that’s exactly the sort of thing liable to trigger a very strong response from me

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MT why did you not read overnight?

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pedit: Not beyond the votes. im pretty limited access

Oh nvm

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I have reason to believe Dragons is less likely to be scum but it's still possible

Can you talk about this because dats/skitt were my most likely off-wagon scum from D1

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Ffs

Not dats

DotW

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Oh I see dats was putting ico to the blade that's probably part of why, lol

I suppose that Mena is the only person who can be labelled as trying to start a new wagon besides Ico that I can see so far

I mean yes but also if I were trying to do it to save him then I start it on someone mislimmable like DotW or T3 or something

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dats is really, really, really good at reading him

...is this actually true? I know dats has hard caught him a couple to times but is he actually that reliably good at reading ico?

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I like the part where Titanic locktowns Mena then subsequently unlocktowns him after receiving further meta lol

Okay but what did you make of the bit where he then put me as likely town anyway, something he then failed to respond to when asked to elaborate on

I think that (assuming Titanic is an alt of who I think he is) him trying to white knight for me there is very likely what he’d do as scum and strongly reminiscent of what he has done in the past when playing scum against me

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It's just such a nonsensical line of play that I don't really know what to make of it?

The thing to make of it is “no, I wouldn’t do that strategically as scum even if I was upset when the game was definitely not lost even if icon was getting flipped” also lol @ the idea that I have enough energy to put into trying to fake my thoughts here if I’m scum

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Sorry, second half of that wasn’t related to the quote, was more a general comment

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Was Mena's anger in Tarot genuine?

Yes

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people were talking of intent and lolhammers which would discourage scum to bus there even if it's an early wagon which are usually safer to bus on

pretty sure ydrasse would feel really bad about lolhammering a partner without giving them a chance to claim, unless they agreed it was the move in the pt. but then, I don't see ico being fine with that move. also possible if ydrasse doesn't like the person she's hammering i guess, but ico's a cool dragon and I'm sure that's not the case. so probtown

Uh, first bit: nah. Like I think this is not a terrible assumption to be making but as a level 1 thinking sort of thing it’s also exactly why scum would consider plopping a vote down just to get on. I think it is possible that the whole wagon was town and it’s 2/3 of (DotW, skitt, MT) but i think it’s p likely at least one scum bussed and decided that they could get away with a late vote precisely because it put their buddy (who was likely dying anyway) in actual peril which would then make their vote look townier vs a bus vote. But actually good bus votes have to genuinely put your buddy in peril, otherwise it’s just distancing which was never gonna work here

I also disagree on the ydra thing, and this kinda makes me think Titanic is scum with Ydra potentially? I think Ydra is tired of rolling scum (she’s rolled it so much this year) I think that if she sees her buddy going down she’s very likely to just drop a vote, and play for the TSTBS angle to try and survive a couple of days buy a couple of mislims and hopefully set her buddy up for lategame

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Like I think Titanic knows ydrasse well enough to know that she’s developed her scumgame to the point where she absolutely would lolhammer buddy!ico in that spot and that his claiming that she wouldn’t is disingenuous

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Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

How’s this one holding up for you bud

Also my post length is very NAI we haven’t played enough together

This is like when you thought I’d scumslipped in dead silence for thinking traitors would be recruitable lol

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skitter less likely to pursure a town!mena misex probably

.....

No? Why?

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VOTE: Mena

Sigh

I’m not angry in this case I’m just disappointed

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however, i think its something he's *much more* likely to feel as scum because:
1. He had a very similar emotional reaction to the marci flip in tarot (i.e. we have a recent example of scum-him behaving a similar way in a similar situation)
2. I think he would be upset that the same situation happened *again* so soon after the last time

Can you respond when you get here on the significant differences of (1) cabd being fucking an absolutely insufferable asshole about things and (2) it being on a newbie, neither of which apply here

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i only had like 30 posts at the time or whatever a

uh

eh?

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Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

I think this is town-t3?

What about this post leads you to that conclusion?

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I expect scum!skitter to pocket town!Mena or scumread him for a bit before pretending to come around on him eventually and pocket him that way

maybe it's optimal to wait to see if she does that but I don't care that much and I'll probably forget about this later

I like the idea of skitter apparently having the best readrate on Mena on this site, tempting

Idk if i havr the *best* readrate on site but i think i'm p good at reading him ya

I also cant imagine a universe where scum-me decides its a good idea to start antagonizing him

No, you do, and saying this like you’re not sure about it is very mmmmm to me

And I think you’re not trying to antagonise me but I think I’m among the most mislimmable I’ll be rn, if you’re scum you need mislims in those off wagon to stop yourself being flipped, and depending on setup you may know what role I am and therefore want me dead for it

I think in the balance of “mena pointing the finger at me but being dead” vs “pocketing mena and keeping him around for a while longer” it’s in scum!skitt’s interest very much to try to get the mislim while you can

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I have to go to shower and head out but I think if skitt doesn’t townread me after engaging with me here it is tantamount to a scumclaim from her and if we do flip me then she should always always always die next

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2 things v quick while I’m on metro:

(1) I think ydrasse hasn’t been playing seriously literally all game not just after ico was pressured (2) the more pertinent question is: why does ydrasse decide to play this way as town? I have seen her do something equivalent when she was town before once but it was on an alt, but I find it easier to believe that scumdrasse just doesn’t wanna try in a probably lost game and decides to just open wolf and joke and not solve than that towndrasse decides to throw in a towngame of hers that’s eminently winnable

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I am kinda partial to the idea that scum skitts doesnt come after you, I am finding it very hard to see that she'd want to miselim you, draw all that attention, and purport such a high read rate so it looks terrible afterwards

If she’s scum she probably needs to lim me at some point if you’re town and I think it’s easier for her to do it today than tomorrow

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Who's scum thats a nonvoter then O.o?

To elaborate on dragons -- they are soft innocent

It’s skitter, morning

Or there are two bussers if DotW is really inno

If I flip your ears will you feel better about me?

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Yeah idk either

I think you know in your heart I’m town, be-batted one

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*flops ears*

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SKITTER COME FORTH AND ANSWER FOR YOUR CRIMES

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this is the same person who has correctly read me in like 2-3 games where literally everyone else was wrong and pretty much singlehandedly insistes that she reads me so well that everyone had better back the fuck off

I don’t think town her thinks I’m scum here based on a dubious comparison to tarot which she hydra’d with me and knows exactly how context is different

Okay gtg going to see flamenco show

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Oh it’s so tempting

Let the record show that I did not lolhammer here despite every bone in my body telling me to do so

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i don't think titanic is tmi'ing about ydrasse. i understand his logic. it makes sense for town to think that

only if you accept the premise of “ydrasse is a tryhard as scum and would feel particularly bad about throwing” only, like, it’s taking literally a single person saying she’s town to derail the wagon on her so this clearly isn’t a doomed strat for scum!ydra (like okay she doesn’t endgame, but she doesn’t have to to win) and the “she’s a tryhard” thing completely disregards scum burnout which is a very real thing

Skitter, regardless of your alignment, back me up on this because you know it’s true. You’ve felt it, and you’re a better scumplayer than I am but I’ve felt it too. FL is a very good scumplayer but at the end of his run of non-stop scumgames he burned out. Emps, for those who remember him, started off as a sweaty little tryhard (<3 u if u ever read this buddy) when scum and then by the like 6th game in a row barely posted anymore

Ydra has rolled scum a shitton this year, why is Titanic’s logic of “oh this can’t be scum her, she’d try more” not ENTIRELY refuted by “scum get burned out and we know she’s rolled scum a lot”?

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Y’all are fucking dumb as shit and throwing jfc

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LITERALLY OPENWOLFED FOR 2 DAYS AND YOU WAGONED T3

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Fucking christ

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Peta is still town despite leading this trash wagon

I’m not gonna say who I’m targeting

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If you don’t yeet ydrasse tomorrow I’m literally reporting every town player postgame for playing against wincon

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HURT: ydrasse

Not willing to make the vote yet bc if we speedyeet again it will make me fully lose my shit

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Morning, can you claim your target when you get here please? Also the aristeia kill is kinda making me go mmmmmm a little bit

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Does anyone think a skitter/ydrasse team seems deeply off?

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I’ve actually come off that theory, it’s not worth the risk/reward for titanic imo

Like, think about it: if ydrasse is openwolfing the whole game, I think it’s unlikely her buddy also decides to throw their lot in with her. Much more likely thing is that they bus her. We *could* do titanic tomorrow, I think if we have enough lims to spare then policying anyone who hard defended scum (yes, yes, I’m aware of the hypocrisy of me saying this) is a solid move. But I’m not sure if we will have the lims or not, so I want to lim ydrasse and then look for people who I think make more sense as having tried to distance with her. I actually have a bit of a paranoia read but I’m not gonna out it to potentially save me from dying

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We can use today to discuss more, test out possible solves, work on theories etc but I want it to be very clearly understood that there are exactly 0 worlds in which ydra is not the lim today

Especially given that she’s lying/misrepresenting herself on “oh I would never play like this”

If ydra flips scum we flip Tiitanic too as a precaution unless it’s like, really obvious skitter or DotW or MT is also scum or something

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Dont speedwagon I’m at museum and friend is in town but what MT is saying checks out with the action I performed on her

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I’m pretty happy to lock skitter in as one of the scum but I’m still gonna need to be talked round on Ydra

Guess it might just be DotW tho

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If ydra flips scum we flip Tiitanic too

hard disagree. i townread titanic

The point is kinda moot now that we have it more-or-less confirmed that skitt is scum seeing as she lied about her claim and I know MT’s claim is accurate mechanically

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Meaning: we flip ydrasse next unless we get a hard guilty on DotW/dwlee overnight in which case it’s GG if she’s scum

If she’s town I think titanic is TMIing so they’re probably back-to-back on my list unless I change my mind after we do skitt

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I think we should coordinate actions before EoD

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Seems likely you/me/MT are all the town power we have atp, therefore if we can get 2 clears on like dwlee/DotW I think it’s as simple as confirmed as scum!ydra or scum!titanic who was white knighting her

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MT — locktown
petapan

ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

Ydrasse — still scummy but less good as a pool target for NAs bc she never gets to endgame
Titanic — actually maybe scummier than ydrasse bc can be scum with her or without her but I kind of like his posts today/yesterday now I know that a titanic/ydrasse team is basically impossible

Dwlee99 — felt good D1 but has dropped off, still want to call them town but I need to see more today to remove them from pool
Dragón of the West — hasn’t done anything

skitter30 — p much confscum

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Hey can we avoid conftowning people on claims though? Like I think skitter is scum but also someone claiming a PR does not make them confirmed, especially when scum know the whole setup.

This post makes me uncomfortable, for instance

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So tomorrow there’ll be 6-1 which means 2 more mislims allowed

If we can get 2 clears done then the game is in auto, or if any of the pool are able to make it clear they’re town then it’s auto (pool is: DotW, dwlee, titanic, ydra)

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Have you seen a gypyx setup?

Excuse you young man, I was in the first ever Gypyx setup

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my chaotic towny energy cannot be contained

i've saved this game from having 200 pages

it can be contained by limming you?

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Like the fact that you’ve gone awoo awoo I’m a wolf used that as cover to drop 2 quickhammer s (that one was on scum is meaningless) and then the FIRST DAY you’ve been at any risk of elim have started trying to argue that “oh I’d never do this as scum if I wanted to I’d have played it so differently” etc is absolutely no reason to townread you especially when that T3 hammer was as god awful as it was

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ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

I feel like I must be missing something with how everyone is treating this slot

*shrug*

I feel really good when she posts and have done since D1

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I still think it’s quite likely that it’s skitt/ydra and skitt was gonna bus today for cred, but Titanic being confident on her being town is enough to give me pause if they can’t be scum together

Not enough for me to grant an indefinite stay of execution, but enough to sort the two slots that read as “meh” to me rather than actively screaming “I am scum”

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(sidenote: i genuinely don't know what to say if you think that i, as scum, actually hammer my partner AND do everything i have following it without any regard for the game + a chance to win which is kind of :/)

I mean I think that hammering a buddy who was going down hoping for cred is entirely within what you’d do, and I think that you acting like you don’t care about how you’re read until you’re at risk of getting limmed is scummy too, yes

Explain the T3 hammer if you’re town

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And I think there’s a fairly obvious path to a win there for you which is that you soak up the heat by doing scummy shit that advances your wincon (like quickhammering town and cutting off the day super early again) knowing that at a minimum it nets 3 dead town in exchange for you dying, plus gives your buddy a chance to bus for cred. So no, “I wouldn’t do this because it wouldn’t be playing to wincon” is not a convincing argument

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Again, I’ll admit that Titanic is better at reading you than me and as he can’t be scum *with* you it’s more likely that he’s town giving an honest opinion but he may just be wrong here, and you have fooled him before so

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like i think if you just wanted to meme all game as town then you’d just... meme all game as town

For scum!you it’s significantly more important to try and buy and extra day if possible by trying to look town, which is exactly what you’ve started trying to do today


If you’re town and you care about this game why haven’t you played properly up until now? Whereas i can totally see scum!ydra hiding behind “awoo I’m an openwolf” to not have to contribute (due to illness/burnout) and then feeling obligated to turn it up once the heat comes on

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I really think it’s skitt/ydra lol

Redeeming myself like a champ if so

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I’m going to do my duolingo before it turns midnight, I will return

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Peta, why is ydra town? Why does town!ydra hammer T3 at that point when multiple town players (who by that point were claiming town power or obvtown or both) had explicitly asked for more time or spoken about a longer day?

Why does she do both of those things while contributing absolutely nothing of value to the game in terms of either solving it or making herself easier to solve and actively making it harder only to then in turn today launch a spirited defence of herself and to try to argue that she shouldn’t be limmed/this is outside of her scumrange, despite everything she’s done so far being towards a scum wincondition?

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Morning, same question(s)

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Also I think skitt has finished her weekend VLA by now and would normally be around/posting but I think she would be strongly disinclined to post in a game where she’s already caught and is just waiting for lim/potentially a game she thinks is already lost

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Also to be clear, I’m no longer as lockscum on Ydra as I was coming into the day but I think she’s played as if she’s scum not town and I haven’t heard any good reasons to consider her more likely to be doing that as town than as scum

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Imagine a world where datisi doesn’t roleblock me N1 and I have a softclear on titanic

Or alternatively if I’d played it safer and gone for either of DotW or skitt N1 and we’d had a hard guilty to work with

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Also this kinda goes without saying but if there is a final TPR who targeted skitt last night you should claim in your next post

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I’d just like to actually be convinced on ydrasse before we end day

I think all the reasoning so far has been deeply unconvincing and until I actually hear good reasons I don’t want to let it alone

However if I can be provided good reasons for why I should be TRing her here (and legitimately the best one so far is: Titanic says so, which is worrying) then I think we’re almost in auto because it does just become limming DotW an Dwlee followed by titanic if game hasn’t ended

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@peta i think the disadvantage of checking titanic is that if morning and I coordinate scum will just kill the person making that check as a frame job for sure, here it’s more of a gamble they have to take

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I’d also tbh like to leave enough time before ending day for skitt to show up on the blue moon chance she is town and to leave her final thoughts

I must say that I think her not doing so is just a scumclaim

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I do not understand the case against me

Basically you faded away and make me feel meh when I think of you

I think it’s more likely DotW over you but I don’t feel good enough about you to take you out of the pool

I don’t think you’ve been doing much solving st all and have been more interested in just hanging around and chatting

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My preferences are a T3 or Titanic lim today. I'd like to see skitter's catch up and responses to mena before fully judging there. Would consider compromising on ydrasse

This is pretty bad considering t3 conftown and skitter p much confscum

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@dwlee i feel like quite a lot of what you’ve done is parrot things I’ve already said while pushing town slots

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Oh wait I said skitter day 2, but I was sus day one.

Pedit: homie what pushing on town slots did I do... I pushed ydrasse and then titanic told me off so I got on t3.

Me on D1, mais non?

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I think skitt!scum is hard clearing for me incidentally, as I think everyone here should know well enough that the odds of us playing around each other in this way while both scum are essentsllly less than 0

Also a bit disappointed nobody asked why I targeted MT last night unless it’s super obvious

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i assume, like, everyone had skitter as PoE on day 2 because of how day 1 went

i regret not pressing her more tbh

i wanted to give her a chance to get into the game if she was town

meh

Right, and it’s also BIG incentive for scum!ydra to end day early if aristeia did indeed target skitt N1