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[ta vera]

I'm getting goodvibes on both ico and dats thus far

why?

and it's not even in a jokingly way like i'd expect

how is this not a jokey way? i was actively voting with you, and my main "scumcase" on you is the fact that you "lied" about 23 being a bump-post???

also thanks for reminding me peta, i literally sat down and took 20 minutes to type up the brilliant shitpost that is 33, and you trs to tell me i'm pushing you in a non-jokey way?

why is this in the present tense? i thought that your pushing was no longer joking.

[ta vera]

VOTE: iconeum

i am semi-vla until wednesday

[ta vera]

it's in present tense because i'm barely able to speak english

the proper sentence would've been "and you're trying to tell me you actually thought i was pushing you in a non-jokey matter at the time prior to 56", but typing is difficult and i thought it would be obvious from context

ok

[ta vera]

i think that's M-1

[ta vera]

i think that's M-1

Scum^

no

[ta vera]

UNVOTE:

[ta vera]

VOTE: ico

back to y-2 then i like that

this is y-1 not -2

[ta vera]

actually, let's do this VOTE: iconeum

[ta vera]

aww, i wanted that to be a hammer

[ta vera]

why is ydra iconeum's partner?

[ta vera]

Awoo

are you a wolf?

[ta vera]

that' fine. i'm looking for the mafia

[ta vera]

the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

hasn't she been memeing the whole time?

[ta vera]

i can see how the jokey suggesting that ico isn't actually scum could be from a partner

[ta vera]

wait that is pooky? i thought that was isis lmfao

doesn't change much, go read my case on ico and then we can talk

i doubt that's isis

[ta vera]

why

are there now 8 pages

Mena this post felt off/awkward to me as well

Probably because the why is separated from the rest

i don't understand

[ta vera]

Pandora told me

ok

[ta vera]

What's your main, ta vera? I won't tell anyone, promise.

i won't tell anyone either

[ta vera]

i don't, at this point, know what to make of the stuff that just happened.

[ta vera]

i think that there's potentially valuable information at the beginning of it

[ta vera]

I mostly just avoided talking about nathann at all which is very different from here where I haven’t shied away from talking about icon at all

how could you shy away from talking about iconeum here? a bunch of people kept aggressively pointing you at him

[ta vera]

I tentatively think ta vera and T3 may be town, which as I’ve now said that makes them like probably an 80% lock of being scum

why?

VOTE: mena
Back off.

why?

[ta vera]

Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

Nah, you just don’t seem town to me fam

You’ve never struck me as someone particularly meme-y or that light-hearted so your opening seemed off and I’d like to know more about your thoughts on ta vera

Ta vera just seemed to only be popping in to possibly derail the wagon and I didn't mentally register any of their posts before that one. I didn't like it.

what about peta pan who posted the same thing? and, it's a good thing to point out when it's e-1.

[ta vera]

does anyone know how to read t3?

[ta vera]

you should read it in conjunction with datisi's

[ta vera]

VOTE: menalque

Spoiler:

that being said it's genuinely utterly fucking ridiculous how accepted it is for people to just not try as scum to have easy town games

what made you think of this?

why did you scumread dwlee?
why did you townread me and t3?

[ta vera]

it's possible but not obvious to me

[ta vera]

VOTE: menalque

Spoiler:

that being said it's genuinely utterly fucking ridiculous how accepted it is for people to just not try as scum to have easy town games

what made you think of this?

why did you scumread dwlee?
why did you townread me and t3?

oh uh, idk, maybe the fact that aristeia was targeting me and being snipey for horseshit reasons

that has no relation to the point about some people not trying as scum.

[ta vera]

VOTE: menalque

Spoiler:

that being said it's genuinely utterly fucking ridiculous how accepted it is for people to just not try as scum to have easy town games

what made you think of this?

why did you scumread dwlee?
why did you townread me and t3?

oh uh, idk, maybe the fact that aristeia was targeting me and being snipey for horseshit reasons

that has no relation to the point about some people not trying as scum.

It does I was saying that I should do that because then anyone pushing me on as weak a basis of “your first three posts seemed awkward and therefore obvscum because you don’t have any idea what to do around scum” would get insta fucking yeeted by me as sooon as I put any sort of effort in thereby making me an incredibly easy meta solve and making anyone choosing not to obvious solve me to simply the game is much more likely scum who doesn’t want to initiate

my thought was that you were partly upset with iconeum not trying, but thinking about the way your posts went, i think that doesn't fit. the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

[ta vera]

i bussed

ok. VOTE: ydrasse

[ta vera]

the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

What do you mean

iconeum didn't replace out when he got his scum pm

[ta vera]

i think we should vote ydrasse to see what happens

[ta vera]

the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

What do you mean

iconeum didn't replace out when he got his scum pm

That’s not what I’m talking about

I’m saying

i

should stop trying in my scumgames until it becomes so obvious when I’m scum and when I’m town that it would make it impossible for scum to push me for BS reasons (like, first 3 posts being “awkward”)

Again not actually gonna do this but there’s more than one or two players who are so obvious that they need to score or they’re out.

i misread 273. so, my idea might actually be applicable.

[ta vera]

my thought was that you were partly upset with iconeum not trying, but thinking about the way your posts went, i think that doesn't fit. the germ of the thought was something that iconeum wasn't doing at all.

you think mena was mad that ico didn't rep out?
or am i not following this
fwiw i don't think that's something mena would be mad about, i do think he would be mad abt being in a day1 situation like that just after how tarot went down tho. namely, in tarot, we had a partner who got flipped within 3 hours and he kinda got really mad. if the same thing happened again like a week later this is basically exaclty what i think his reaction would look like.

pedit you're not helping if you're town >.>

no, i was thinking that he might be upset about scum not trying because iconeum isn't trying here.

[ta vera]

i feel like i'm getting better at identifying town/scum t3

that's good

[ta vera]

Aristea is pooky???

Reminded me of Anastasia, another Pooky alt from Sibyl's Elegy and has consistently been online at the exact same time.

don't out me if you figure out who i am

[ta vera]

i'm frustrated about ydrasse. has she ever done anything like this?

[ta vera]

i believe t3's meta on mena

[ta vera]

Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

this is gross

why?

[ta vera]

Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

this is gross

why?

huh, i had thought 499 was intended as a defense of menalque, and this was t3 finding an excuse to walk back the read now that there was a wagon budding on mena, but apparently i might have misread it? i think it's still utterly atrocious reasoning based on assumptions that are pretty bad though, but can't rule out t3 having bad logic as town

it was an elaboration on 499 and was meant to call menalque scum just like he already clarified in 557

[ta vera]

i agree that we shouldn't minus menalque today. we should let him use his pr ability.

[ta vera]

when i am free the wolves shan’t haunt this town

what about the other wolf?

[ta vera]

It's a very good reason

She's a tryhard as scum and would feel bad about throwing a game

This isn't a too scummy to be scum argument, it's a I think town!her would find openwolfing like this after lolhammering scum amusing, while scum!her would be throwing the game with that lolhammer and her behavior today,

and

having fun doing it at her teammates' expense, which is very very implausible

if she's town, she's not being helpful anyway

[ta vera]

i don't think titanic is tmi'ing about ydrasse. i understand his logic. it makes sense for town to think that

[ta vera]

Maybe she knows people like you are willing to step in to defend her like this?

VOTE: Titanic
Omgus for your bad read on me and I think you're hard TMIing on Ydrasse.

?

this is a weird vote

do you think Ydra!scum is counting on Titan!town to defend her openwolf?

Maybe she knows people like you are willing to step in to defend her like this?

VOTE: Titanic
Omgus for your bad read on me and I think you're hard TMIing on Ydrasse.

This post pings me really weirdly.

lol?

[ta vera]

lol

[ta vera]

VOTE: ydrasse

however, this makes me suspicious of skitter:

I'm kind of still quite skeptical of skitter so


VOTE: T3

[ta vera]

I feel like that's what he wants you to think and the scumteam hard leaned into powerwolfing

that's a really weird choice

[ta vera]

awooooooo

Also pooky targeted me n1, and i assume he was suspicious of me cuz he got a 'not vt' result - i'm an informed townie, and i think its fine to share this: i am informed that scum have one pr

why didn't you share this earlier? what if you had died and we had lost the information?

[ta vera]

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

why would he do that with ydra but the opposite with inconeum?

[ta vera]

VOTE: skitter

[ta vera]

pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

i don't follow.

[ta vera]

oh, i understand. but, that's not how loudness works. you get told no matter what.

[ta vera]

If ydra flips scum we flip Tiitanic too

hard disagree. i townread titanic

[ta vera]

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

why would he do that with ydra but the opposite with inconeum?

I mean defending ico kinda backfired, no?

this doesn't seem like a thought process the scum would have. 'defending my partner failed, so i must do the opposite' feels like a contrived robotic logic

[ta vera]

I detected motion at skitt's house last night

good

[ta vera]

the possibilities here are either that skitter was targeted by a scum pr or that she's lying and is scum

it's not a hard guilty but especially given the circumstances around aristeia i think it looks bad for skitter

i agree

[ta vera]

Dont speedwagon I’m at museum and friend is in town but what MT is saying checks out with the action I performed on her

oh

[ta vera]

If ydra flips scum we flip Tiitanic too

hard disagree. i townread titanic

The point is kinda moot now that we have it more-or-less confirmed that skitt is scum seeing as she lied about her claim and I know MT’s claim is accurate mechanically

oh, i thought you were saying you visited skitter for a moment. nevermind.

[ta vera]

Tbh my guess is DotW atm

not sure Titanic would enter the day accusing skitts' when Ydrasse is such a necessary elim

Ydrasse and skitts is a really odd team. Also im not sure Ydrasse could feign the belief that Pooky's loudness cleared her / suggested skitts.. plus I'm slipping back to thinking what I originally thought abt Ydrasse openwolfing

Dwlee is also possible though altho i confess i havent read his parts too deeply yet

is this just poe?

[ta vera]

Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

why would he do that with ydra but the opposite with inconeum?

This seems like a weird line of questioning...I feel like it'd be pretty common to do combinations of bussing and/or defending different teammates...no reason to say "they didn't do the same thing to all teammates" especially as the game state changes

i understand that, but skitter was claiming that "scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her". so, i was asking why ydra is the one that would be likely to be bussed.

[ta vera]

ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

a lot of people seem to be casually slotting me as town, but i haven't heard why much.

[ta vera]

ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

I feel like I must be missing something with how everyone is treating this slot

this pings townie slightly. well, he does have reason to cast doubt on a generally townread player if he is scum and being put into the poe by many, but this feels like he genuinely doesn't see it. he's not even attacking me (at this point), he's just asking for an explanation.

[ta vera]

Also I think skitt has finished her weekend VLA by now and would normally be around/posting but I think she would be strongly disinclined to post in a game where she’s already caught and is just waiting for lim/potentially a game she thinks is already lost

we should be careful about putting skitter at M-1 if we don't want the day to end yet.

[ta vera]

Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

Need more opinions, is this post clearing or is this easily fakeable theatre?

not clearing

[ta vera]

Protip: the 3p would be you, titanic, ta vera there

Who would be scum of the three of you if game isn’t over?

oh fun. i would lean towards dwlee, but i would do my due diligence of course.

[ta vera]

ta vera — locktown but not with mechanical backing

I feel like I must be missing something with how everyone is treating this slot

this pings townie slightly. well, he does have reason to cast doubt on a generally townread player if he is scum and being put into the poe by many, but this feels like he genuinely doesn't see it. he's not even attacking me (at this point), he's just asking for an explanation.

eh i feel like that type of statement is not particularly hard to make

true. it's not much of a town ping.

[ta vera]

i don't think that clears you. in fact, i have questioned skitter's townread on me when i've been scum with her before.

[ta vera]

what's wrong with the way i said it. an open question was asked, and i gave my answer.

[ta vera]

i gave a very simple answer. there's not much there. is that the problem? i don't see how you could get much vibes from that post at all.

[ta vera]

do people want me to catch up before the day is finished?

[ta vera]

i'll try to respond to what i can before the thread is locked.

[ta vera]

pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

here's additional reasoning for why Ydrasse is town, since there's doubters

This is a townslip since as Ydrasse understood it, Pooky's action would fail if she wasn't exactly VT, and so wouldn't have heard his loudness otherwise

Very strange dumbtell to make as scum

good point.

[ta vera]

i want to swat at this

[ta vera]

I remember now upon some skimming that ta vera seemed to low-key be unwagoning ico (the E-1 comment pop in, the unvote) and I didn't like her response to my scumread of it.

i always say when it's e-1. i was firmly on board with the wagon the entire time. i was just being cautious. never did i indicate i wanted to move my vote elsewhere. iconeum was my only vote the whole day.

[ta vera]

i think that's M-1

Scum^

Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

Nah, you just don’t seem town to me fam

You’ve never struck me as someone particularly meme-y or that light-hearted so your opening seemed off and I’d like to know more about your thoughts on ta vera

Ta vera just seemed to only be popping in to possibly derail the wagon and I didn't mentally register any of their posts before that one. I didn't like it.

what about peta pan who posted the same thing? and, it's a good thing to point out when it's e-1.

This is what I'm referring to

you never responded to that

[ta vera]

i don't have anything else to say right now, can't bring myself to focus when the elim for the day is all but decided

Talk to me about ta vera and where your head is at on ydra/titanic and on dwlee after his posting yesterday and on whether you think DotW is the last one or if that’s just too easy

on looking back at the iso, it's not actually obviously townie, but again i do give credit here for being the 4th real vote on ico, as i feel, given what we know of the setup now, that scum are heavily disincentivised to bus. beyond that, it's a bunch of

okay

posts that aren't impossible to fake but look decently solvey, asking some okay questions, also 434 is maybe not how skitter talks to a partner? i wouldn't bet the game on that necessarily but it doesn't make me want to vote him. there's also the fact that he immediately dumpstered skitter's claim, where i'd sort of assume as her teammate if they're coming up with something together he doesn't have her claim something if he's going to shoot it down right away, even if they assumed skitter was DOA it doesn't make sense for her teammate to immediately cut off any chance of someone believing her claim

it's 1:48 am and i'm being lazy but skimming isos, dotw and dwlee have towntells, i really think it's just one of titanic or ydrasse atp

she

[ta vera]

I actually! Slept enough last night! I am rested for the first time in a week!

good!

[ta vera]

I would like ta vera to weigh in on... everything before EoD

if there's still time once i've caught up, i will run through each suspect and give my thoughts. even if the thread gets locked, i will still do that and post it next day.

[ta vera]

If dwlee is scum then I think they’re playing around me quite specifically which is why I need opinions on them from others because I think I do significantly worse at spotting scum who are playing their game with me in mind

But I think I TR the reluctance to appease me when I was pushing them to do stuff followed by the eventual capitulation? Like it really felt like I had to genuinely drag out a willingness to do something and I’m thinking on a recent game where I was alting where I had a feeling when having a similar conversation with scum that the scum actually wanted to do what I was asking but needed me to argue with them more to provide them with justification for doing it, and that wasn’t the case here. Plus I did think that their reasoning made sense for “happy with how things are going and will do stuff later if it’s wrong” even while that’s not an actually good plan, I can see the logic if dwlee is feeling lazy

God I wish I had a better memory of how tryhardy they were in Ydrasse’s mini normal when town were getting wrecked

scum has very good reason to feel lazy here too. scum!dwlee is probably feeling dispirited. what distinguishes this situation from an unmotivated scum?

[ta vera]

I also really need ta vera to turn up

You’re townreading her too right? I sorta get paranoid when someone isn’t around but could you run me through what you liked about her?

hi

[ta vera]

anyone is welcome to tell me if they disagree though

it's a good and accurate summary

[ta vera]

i[/] do not have time

[ta vera]

i'm willing to accept all of these claims. so, that leaves dwlee, dragon, ydra, and titanic.
i want to trust ydra and titanic's reads of each other. my immediate instinct is that dwlee is the scum over dragon, but i might be biased by his bad read of me. so, i will examine those two now.

[ta vera]

VOTE: petapan
this game was so easy. i didn't have to do much at all.

[ta vera]

gg