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the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

Bit of a reach tbh

Wouldn't that be bad if Ico had to actually claim and was her bud?

Btw I don't like Ico's scumreading agenda accusation to the RVS jokes either

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Asteria wasn't satisfied with the last 2 simialrly themed accounts and she's going in for a THIRD

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the "intent" was meant to scare us off, she doesn't seem to actually be... processing this game, i think her memeing around here is more akin to a partner panicking that their buddy is going down and they're not positioned to bus rather than a townie

like her play by itself pings me as Wrong and her position around ico is worse so idk lol

Bit of a reach tbh

Wouldn't that be bad if Ico had to actually claim and was her bud?

Btw I don't like Ico's scumreading agenda accusation to the RVS jokes either

a hero

More of a legend actually

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why

are there now 8 pages

Mena this post felt off/awkward to me as well

Probably because the why is separated from the rest

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Mena feels town to me

VOTE: Iconeum

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b/c this is, uh, not a great look

Can you elaborate?

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Why would town try and be more aware than scum? Both of those last two things I classify as towntells on average

pedit to peta

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Not my proudest read but Mena pretty much locktown

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Not my proudest read but Mena pretty much locktown

you should read his play in perpetual mylo and tarot if you think Scum!Mena is incapable of this level of tonal hysterics.

Just checked and nvm, not locktown

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I'm exhausted already from just reading all that

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Datisi, Mena, Aristeia more likely to be town so far

Aristeia for mixing in an alignment promise while comforting Mena

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petapan's vibes feel a little off

I will not elaborate on this further at this time

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What's your main, ta vera? I won't tell anyone, promise.

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You win this one

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but next time, I won't be so lenient

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I don't plan on rereading it

We have a bountiful game full of alignment spewing fun ahead of us, I'm sure

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I think that's parity

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Can you not get vigged

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Parity I think that is

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yo

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Was Mena's anger in Tarot genuine? if it was, I don't think it's really a matter of him using it as a strategy to misexecute you, aristeria

skitter, what makes you think the anger in this case is alignment-indicative rather than nai? which parts do you feel he's playing up?

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Definitely want to vote off-wagon today, don't see a 2 scum bus scenario, and it's

possible

even that it's all town. people were talking of intent and lolhammers which would discourage scum to bus there even if it's an early wagon which are usually safer to bus on

pretty sure ydrasse would feel really bad about lolhammering a partner without giving them a chance to claim, unless they agreed it was the move in the pt. but then, I don't see ico being fine with that move. also possible if ydrasse doesn't like the person she's hammering i guess, but ico's a cool dragon and I'm sure that's not the case. so probtown

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i don't think i'm even gonna bother reading that

33 was fucking briljant and i literally laughed my ass off and you know that

Dang from Dragon Masons to looking cornered in a few hours

Yeah I removed too much context from 83. 69 is what made it read bad

thought about voting the other dragon but he's the first to cut deep into what made ico's reaction bad so that's good

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I expect scum!skitter to pocket town!Mena or scumread him for a bit before pretending to come around on him eventually and pocket him that way

maybe it's optimal to wait to see if she does that but I don't care that much and I'll probably forget about this later

I like the idea of skitter apparently having the best readrate on Mena on this site, tempting

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Votecount 1.End of day

Iconeum (7) :

Petapan - Dwlee99 - Aristeia - T3 - Titanic - ta vera - Ydrasse

Minused

Dwlee99 (2) :

Dragon Of The West - Menalque

Petapan (1) :

Iconeum

Ydrasse (1) :

Morning Tweet

Not Voting (2) :

Skitter30 - Datisi

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to minus somsone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-07-31 02:41:06)

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fire breather calls something kinda incriminating about Ico out first
bloodsucker feels towny today
skitter less likely to pursure a town!mena misex probably

VOTE: Menalque

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What are you doing

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There's only mafia and town in this game, you can't be a werewolf

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Ico feels like a tryhard scummer so improbable imo

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prove it, paraphrase what Ico said

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oh right, you mean in your neighbourhood with him

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well, sucks for you but i'm actually scum with ico, so I know for a fact you aren't

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nice gambit though

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@artesia
@titanic
R.e. mena

I dont think this sort of reaction is something he purposefully ~tries~ to feel, its just how he felt in real time
I believe the emotions are genuine
however, i think its something he's *much more* likely to feel as scum because:
1. He had a very similar emotional reaction to the marci flip in tarot (i.e. we have a recent example of scum-him behaving a similar way in a similar situation)
2. I think he would be upset that the same situation happened *again* so soon after the last time

Just because he did it in tarot and it ended badly doesnt preclude him from feeling the same way again

Like if its something he could control sure i think he would try to avoid it given how thia ended last time

But like i think he was genuinely feeling upset

And idk why town-him gets *that* upset there, but i can very easily imagine scum-him feeling thay way there

And uh i drank a bit so these Thoughts make sense in my head and idk jow well i'm getting these into words if this doesnt make sense lmk and i'll try again tom

okay, i can see that

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well, sucks for you but i'm actually scum with ico, so I know for a fact you aren't

Self vote if you mean it

i already self-voted mena

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Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

I think this is town-t3?

Using meta?

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well, sucks for you but i'm actually scum with ico, so I know for a fact you aren't

Self vote if you mean it

i already self-voted mena

You re one in the same ..

get good tbh, your jestering is subpar

how many votes are you even on, like 1?

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I expect scum!skitter to pocket town!Mena or scumread him for a bit before pretending to come around on him eventually and pocket him that way

maybe it's optimal to wait to see if she does that but I don't care that much and I'll probably forget about this later

I like the idea of skitter apparently having the best readrate on Mena on this site, tempting

Idk if i havr the *best* readrate on site but i think i'm p good at reading him ya

I also cant imagine a universe where scum-me decides its a good idea to start antagonizing him

alright, sure

think i believe you on the latter

for t3 he feels more awkward as scum and goes for flashy plays in my experience, the meta read feeling natural probably plays a part

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Idk what to do with ydra

she wants you to scumread her

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what the fuck

WHAT THE FUCK

WHO SPAMS THE THREAD LIKE THAT

I don't think you threatening to ragequit mafia altogether is in your scumrange and I don't know yet how I would feel if it was : (

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE

VOTE: mena
Back off.

this is pretty flashy and bizarre though

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idk i just didn't get good vibes
how do you feel abt mena btw?

I'm not sure.

I feel better about him today than I did yesterday in the moment.

It just felt so hurtful when he was lashing out at me : (

I'm unsure if he goes to such lengths when he's scum.

It's complicated.

Do you know why I am worried about you?

I KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE LUL

this too

VOTE: icon
Is this an openwolf?

and this is probably the worst vote on the wagon. worded jokingly and let's him change his vote easily if needed, and there's no other mention of ico in his iso

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idk i just didn't get good vibes
how do you feel abt mena btw?

I'm not sure.

I feel better about him today than I did yesterday in the moment.

It just felt so hurtful when he was lashing out at me : (

I'm unsure if he goes to such lengths when he's scum.

It's complicated.

Do you know why I am worried about you?

I KNOW EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE LUL

this too

VOTE: icon
Is this an openwolf?

and this is probably the worst vote on the wagon. worded jokingly and let's him change his vote easily if needed, and there's no other mention of ico in his iso

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Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

why are you voting him?

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Yeah flashy plays lines up with what i've seen of scum-him
Or like more natural/with-it as town? Idk

Pedif yes which in a backwards way makes me think she's town
For t3 those posts dont feel like scum-flashy
He guiltied groupscum as traitor and in a trust fall game last week he impulsively startes the first trust which all but cleared the other person in the pair

That isnt the same type of flashy

right, so flashly in plays as scum, but the caps memeing here is more town-like

maybe

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I thought it was Something_Smart tbh

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Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

why are you voting him?

hey T3

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It's Me...

Hey shelly

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Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

oh, I thought you were implying it made mena town here

you saying he has similarly short posts here?

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I think there is a good chance Titanic is a devilish rogue who is using his natural charm to prey on my poor gullible innocent heart now that he has murdered my Datisi. : (

However he is so charming and attractive I guess I will have to just townread him.

I will nourish your soul and everything will be okay

Just believe

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Not my proudest read but Mena pretty much locktown

This post from Titanic bothered me at the time. It felt like them saying Mena getting angry meant they're locktown was grasping at a reason to have a hard read on Mena when the anger didn't seem AI to me

I don't like townreading toxicity because it doesn't help to discourage it in future

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VOTE: Ydrasse

Don't fall for her ploys...

Pretty sure her personal wincon this game is to get voted out

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I like the part where Titanic locktowns Mena then subsequently unlocktowns him after receiving further meta lol

Okay but what did you make of the bit where he then put me as likely town anyway, something he then failed to respond to when asked to elaborate on

I think that (assuming Titanic is an alt of who I think he is) him trying to white knight for me there is very likely what he’d do as scum and strongly reminiscent of what he has done in the past when playing scum against me

Because that kind of reaction from you is on average still more likely to come from town!you, given the stats

skitter makes a good point about similarities to a scum instance though

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Like I think Titanic knows ydrasse well enough to know that she’s developed her scumgame to the point where she absolutely would lolhammer buddy!ico in that spot and that his claiming that she wouldn’t is disingenuous

I think especially since she's so tired of rolling scum this year, she doesn't lolhammer her buddy who can absolutely bring it back and then just openwolf and do nothing the next day

It's essentially throwing any chance her team has since she's throwing any towncred she could've got from a play like that the next day

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tired scum Ydrasse might meme and openwolf but doesn't also troll by hammering her scum buddy, which I still think she's far less likely to do as a player since she'd probably feel bad

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2 things v quick while I’m on metro:

(1) I think ydrasse hasn’t been playing seriously literally all game not just after ico was pressured (2) the more pertinent question is: why does ydrasse decide to play this way as town? I have seen her do something equivalent when she was town before once but it was on an alt, but I find it easier to believe that scumdrasse just doesn’t wanna try in a probably lost game and decides to just open wolf and joke and not solve than that towndrasse decides to throw in a towngame of hers that’s eminently winnable

If she's been doing it all game it's hard to understand why she was throwing before it was already a lost game for scum

But yeah, it is easier to believe her play as scum since she's (mostly) just losing for herself and one other person at this point and she knows she doesnt have the energy to try

Pedit: Yea seems like it

What's the scum motivation to lolhammer her buddy which had at least a 50+% chance to bring it back, and then do nothing to look town the next day and just troll, attracting loads of scumreads? Like, people are voting her for trolling all day and she continues to troll

There's memeing as a wolf and then there's throwing. This would be throwing and I don't think Ydrasse as a player would do that

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T3 once faked a guilty on groupscum as traitor lmao

Yeah but that was a calculated move, I had a reason for it. In Sibly's Elegy about 1/4 through Day 1 I was getting scumread so I decided to take the dive to give my partner's towncred. This game it was a mass of confusion and I do terribly in these scenarios.

It didn't seem like that much confusion D1...ico was pretty much always going to get limmed once they got to that L-2 and people were unvoted just to drag the day out a little. Besides Mena being mad there was a whole lot else going on

This isn't even close to true imo

There's many alternative universes where Ico returns, claims, and posts some towny stuff (which he's 100% capable of) to save himself

and then the wagon slowly dissipates and some random other joker is voted out end of day

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I lolhammered my buddy that got wagoned early day one. Mini normal 2216.

Did you troll and play to get voted the next day?

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Dwlee, where's that powersolving and grace I've seen of you in other games

You look like the busser to me currently

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I have been

observing

you

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wtf, i'm in the middle of writing a post and a random button combination logs me out

maybe this is a sign from the gods

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dwlee, could you explain why you disagree with all that reasoning for why I think Ydrasse is town

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Ydrasse (3) : Menalque - ta vera - Ydrasse

like it's very unlikely to me that 1 scummer doesn't take the easiest bait in the world of ydrasse here

(if she's town which I think she is)

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It's a very good reason

She's a tryhard as scum and would feel bad about throwing a game

This isn't a too scummy to be scum argument, it's a I think town!her would find openwolfing like this after lolhammering scum amusing, while scum!her would be throwing the game with that lolhammer and her behavior today,

and

having fun doing it at her teammates' expense, which is very very implausible

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Mena you didn't even reply to my message and then you go and vote me. You just got me mislimmed (sorta), you trying that again?

pretty dodgy btw

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skitter hasn't exactly been a shining spark of light so sheeping her on Mena isn't as appealing right now

VOTE: Dwlee

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I think Ydrasse is probably the real move for today every time

(⊙.⊙(☉̃ₒ◉≦)(ㆆ_ㆆ))

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Okay but if she's gonna openwolf as a gimmick this game, why does she also troll her teammates and lolhammer Ico? It's not only trolling, it's throwing, since she's ruining any chance her partner has by killing them, while not planning to try and win the game herself

If she's gonna openwolf as a gimmick as wolf, I don't see her essentially throwing the game by hammering Ico

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Like it's one thing to have fun by trolling, but it's another to do it at your scum teammate's expense which is kinda mean

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Right

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Some mass omgusing you doing there

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Maybe she knows people like you are willing to step in to defend her like this?

VOTE: Titanic
Omgus for your bad read on me and I think you're hard TMIing on Ydrasse.

There is absolutely no reason for me to try and derail a Ydrasse wagon to this extent here as scum

I'm not defending her for towncred, I'm actively trying to change people's minds

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Some mass omgusing you doing there

but is that a scumtell

nah

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She's lolhammered scum if town so done something for the town at least. She's throwing a lot harder as scum over town

Ico was not gonna die assuredly day 1

I agree that Ydrasse probably planned to openwolf troll from page 1

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There's also the thing where it feels a lot worse to perform badly as scum than it does town

Yes you're letting people down either way, but it always feel worse as scum when it's just 2 others and it feels more like a team

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when i am free the wolves shan’t haunt this town

this seems like a promise for a resurgence of new information

we can hope

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He's a psychologist and dies night 2

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For Aristeia:

Spoiler:

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I could see skitter/T3 for the way skitter talked about him, maybe

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Maybe she knows people like you are willing to step in to defend her like this?

VOTE: Titanic
Omgus for your bad read on me and I think you're hard TMIing on Ydrasse.

This post pings me really weirdly.

Putting my pride aside, it's towny actually

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VOTE: T3

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i targeted titanic last night, if anyone has a role that interacts with mine

if my action succeeded he's town

anyway i'm pissed off and it's 3:30 am good night

you were consistently angry for 48 hours?

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did you wake up shaking?

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

Just a feeling that you know Ydrasse will flip town and that this statement won't matter after this day

Pooky dying after targeting you also makes you the obvious culprit, knowing about his loudness

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dwlee you need to assess your definition of the term "powerwolfing"

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To be clear, I'm obviously not as confident on Ydrasse being town, but I don't believe my previous reasons are invalidated by the lolhammer

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VOTE: skitter

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did she tell you what her result was

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Yep, occam's razor skitts

She knew Pooky was loud neapolitan from night 1, Pooky died night 2
ta vera picks up on Pooky crumbing about skitter, skitter is forced to claim informed and that Pooky visited her
She should've claimed informed info day 1
Morning detects motion at her house

Lock it in

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Too lazy to figure out third right now

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It's a crime against humanity, isn't it

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Seems likely you/me/MT are all the town power we have atp, therefore if we can get 2 clears on like dwlee/DotW I think it’s as simple as confirmed as scum!ydra or scum!titanic who was white knighting her

lol

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Again, I’ll admit that Titanic is better at reading you than me and as he can’t be scum *with* you it’s more likely that he’s town giving an honest opinion but he may just be wrong here, and you have fooled him before so

Ye, she's town and I'm correct reading her, not white knighting

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Let's wrap this skiiter up and then I'll start hunting for the final scummazer tomorrow

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pooky's check wasn't "not vt" btw since i got the message that he checked me

here's additional reasoning for why Ydrasse is town, since there's doubters

This is a townslip since as Ydrasse understood it, Pooky's action would fail if she wasn't exactly VT, and so wouldn't have heard his loudness otherwise

Very strange dumbtell to make as scum

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Yes, Dwlee, very astute of you

Ydrasse thought he worked simple and that she'd only hear the loudness as vt

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Let's wrap this skiiter up and then I'll start hunting for the final scummazer tomorrow

...why is this necessary fypov?

not necessary, but will have more motivation

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hmmmm

it depends on how he approached it

also i’m going to give you the response everyone hates of “i’ve played a lot with him when he’s town and know when it’s a towny through process from him”

p-edit i’ve had this conversation before and i feel i’d be able to recognize if he was faking it in a long running game (i’m not counting marathons)

I've spilled a lot of how I play scum secrets to you tbf

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Ollie has a fine aura

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The main reason to think I'm town Mena is that I don't enter today hard bussing my remaining partner and not budging from that scumread

and yeah, I'm like 96% sure skitter flips scum

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How would I know Morning targeted skitter?

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idk

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Extremely good question

Going off memory DotW>Petapan>Dwlee

At work so can't go digging

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Also i think that scum is significantly more likely to bus ydra than defend her, which takes me to mena once more

Just a feeling that you know Ydrasse will flip town and that this statement won't matter after this day

Pooky dying after targeting you also makes you the obvious culprit, knowing about his loudness

This is the smoking sniper rifle of why skitt was scum before Morning's claim

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Can we get the hammer down

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I lack any passion for this game

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petapan's vibes feel a little off

I will not elaborate on this further at this time

are you ever going to elaborate on this btw

Less aggressive, more amiable

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salute

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Yeah?

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i'm trying to find a way to comment on hectic and ydrasse's reads on each other that won't make me seem like a dick

When I believe she's scum, I scumread her

See Pooky's dance game as an example

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Power to you then

I'll probably read over Ico and skitt's reads and interactions with the living players tomorrow, that's usually fun to do

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Bless

*karate chops wings*

Am I doing this right?

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gg

Knew those vibes were oFF peta