Micro 1022 | Purgatory | 80s music | Game Over

[Ich Troje]

VOTE: t3
Hey can we not do the "spam for pagetop" thing cuz pagetop votecounts arent even that important and it is annoying

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Oh wtf its page 6

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I can read flow trap well i railed them as traitor in mini normal Baseball

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No i posted that while looking at page 1 LOL

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Oh right this is that special heaven/hell game i signed for ok.

I thought it was just some vanilla varient thing cuz i got a vt pm LOL

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I think flow needs more content in terms of their reaction before i feel any level of confidence but im feeling their scum meta in their vibes.
VOTE: flow
E-2

[Ich Troje]

actually now that I'm by a computer I think flow is a pretty solid scumread for me.

prob need to just cross reference a town game to be sure this isn't in their townrange but yep

[Ich Troje]

but im feeling their scum meta in their vibes.

I remember my traitor game

I was in fact not scumread day 1 that game iirc, so clearly being scumread day 1 is actually a towntell for me :3

you weren't scumread there bc your scumbuds were much more obvious over you.

[Ich Troje]

VOTE: t3
Hey can we not do the "spam for pagetop" thing cuz pagetop votecounts arent even that important and it is annoying

Sup Koba

Ignore page 3 that's my computer being weird.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Ich Troje]

omg i forgot esooa is in this game.

[Ich Troje]

ah fuck there are 3 scum i thought it was only 2

[Ich Troje]

ah fuck there are 3 scum i thought it was only 2

I don't even know what the setup is either than that there are heaven and hell.

actually fucking same lmao

i skimmed it like while I was high as shit and saw the game was almost pulled and inned to hero save it to run, all i know is there's a tiebreak mechanic or something at the end.


what do u think of NSG thus far?

also to flow: I personally don't read setups until I need to mech solve to maximize my chances of townslipping so deal with it

[Ich Troje]

ah fuck there are 3 scum i thought it was only 2

Townslip?

yes but people will scumread me for it in the level 1 way that people read townslips on this website.

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i skimmed it like while I was high as shit and saw the game was almost pulled and inned to hero save it to run, all i know is there's a tiebreak mechanic or something at the end.

Might want to read the mechanics before we get to D2.

I know enough that we want scum in hell and town in heaven

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this is a gamestate I want to passively observe I think and not make any pushes in rn - so I'm gonna step back for now.

I will explain in due time but it's a tactical move to prevent shifting any pieces that may be scum into an advantageous space because I tend to do that if I hardpush too early lol

[Ich Troje]

this is a gamestate I want to passively observe I think and not make any pushes in rn - so I'm gonna step back for now.

I will explain in due time but it's a tactical move to prevent shifting any pieces that may be scum into an advantageous space because I tend to do that if I hardpush too early lol

Part of me wants to townread you for this. But it's the part that thinks everyone is a clone of me.

Think I want to wait for Dannflor before probing further here. I can totally see faking a townslip, but most people don't put enough effort to fake them repeatedly.

my townslips are just NAI.

I am 100% aware they don't work on this site and occasionally fake them as scum just so it isn't true meta.

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but also i didnt really townslip with the mafia number thing lmfao i just stated it cuz i like being townread but also know someone is gonna make a shitstorm over me potentially "faking a townslip as scum!" so yep.

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but also i didnt really townslip with the mafia number thing lmfao i just stated it cuz i like being townread but also know someone is gonna make a shitstorm over me potentially "faking a townslip as scum!" so yep.

Although now that I think of it, this completely invalidates my previous line of thinking about "lots of slips = probably legit."

Wait ... if you did it because you like being townread, why do you consider it NAI?

because it is NAI but people will subconsciously townread it!

but also this is a pretty bad digression and like not important to the gamestate so I'd rather not derail this far off.

[Ich Troje]

Esooa wolfin

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UNVOTE:

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nsg, ur tone seem a bit nervous, sup?

[Ich Troje]

Flow and Farren are locktown for me atp.

My gun to head now is that Esooa/Dannfloor/NSG/redtea contains all 3 scum, listed by strength of read.

[Ich Troje]

The reason i wanted to wait and see was precisely because dannfloor/nsg were giving me pings and i wanted to just watch them interact with others rather than give them an easy out in omgusing me because i can tend to stumble my words sometimes.

[Ich Troje]

Esooa i recently finished a scumgame with last month and i feel similar vibes from her in terms of how she's approaching the game.

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Enchant/t3 are in the tier right above those 4 names, not sure if i have anyone left but whoever it is is null

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Oh its cal04 who literally hadn't posted lmao- yeah would be nice to have an extension since it was delayed so long getting them replaced

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North =NSG

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i wanted to just watch them interact with others rather than give them an easy out in omgusing me because i can tend to stumble my words sometimes.

ok sorry back to this why would omgusing you be the easy way out, especially as neither of us have expressed a scum read on you thus far

like im a little confused what exactly you got out of seeing our interactions with others

both of your archetype of player when scum are the type to capitalize on people who make awkward pushes in order to massively discred them, which has always kicked me in the ass in my experience(also the times I am wrong and just paranoid it also ruins solve space)

It was more I wanted to be like "am I sure this is right without bias of being pushed on from pushing on these people" kind of deal.

[Ich Troje]

dannfloor/nsg

this pairing is interesting

ive been nursing a paranoia nsg read since basically her entrance but i think that paranoia was bound to come up at some point this game so im not really giving it any credence until nsg gets a chance to play more

what exactly pinged you about either of our posts?

I am no good at vocalizing it but iirc it was a sort of vibe of agreeableness in the sense that it felt correct but in the way that it was stating feel good stuff/stuff that was not bad but also not good, just in that deadzone of "huh, this isn't right". Perhaps I mixed your posts together and sort of combined my read in a way. My flow trap vote was partially to put pressure on flow trap and partially to manipulate gamestate to see how people acted thinking that flow was a viable lim, because after my initial post-RVS shitpush onto flow, his reaction was towny to me but I maintained and I felt that you personally partially moved off flow because of that shift I pushed and expressed a townread on flow and then onto esooa to shield her. I am fairly confident of Esooa being scum here - as much as it is a meme that I've pushed on her as town before, my accuracy on her has increased over time.

I think a lot hinges on how the inactive slot is in terms of a solve - but there is definitely scum within at least one of you/esooa/NSG atp and there's not much that will do to change that bc of the moves made already, other than perhaps Flow flipping scum during heaven phase.

[Ich Troje]

what's my archetype koba

gamer

[Ich Troje]

FWIW Dannfloor, I think if anything you would be the likliest town atp based on the complexity of what you have been putting out, but just pocketed.

I DO see a world where I'm just being a paranoid idiot and it's just straight up something like T3/Farren/Enchant

[Ich Troje]

Flow and Farren are locktown for me atp.

My gun to head now is that Esooa/Dannfloor/NSG/redtea contains all 3 scum, listed by strength of read.

I had some lingering suspicions / pings on Dannflor earlier. Nothing coherent. I'm feeling better about him now; getting a sense of what he looks for is one of those things that's +Town.

oh wow mindmeld

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I am fairly confident of Esooa being scum here - as much as it is a meme that I've pushed on her as town before, my accuracy on her has increased over time.

can you explain this read with some specifics? how much of it is based off of a meta experience with esooa

Very much so, and mostly based on our most recent game together. https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/ninjas ... joke/88013

[Ich Troje]

Town esooa likes to get into fights and thunderdomes, scum esooa likes to stay away from that, both are aggressive though usually, but scum esooa notably is not as much so or rather can be passive and let others run the show.

In our scum game, I was mostly pulling the strings and pushing town to mislim eachother while esooa just sat back and took potshots and such.
Sorta feel same vibe here.

[Ich Troje]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

Cite a single game where I had an incorrect read on you after pushing you.

[Ich Troje]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

Haven't caught up yet, but if I were, I'd be voting for you now.

Oh, that didn't take long.

VOTE: Esooa

I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.

[Ich Troje]

FWIW Dannfloor, I think if anything you would be the likliest town atp based on the complexity of what you have been putting out, but just pocketed.

I DO see a world where I'm just being a paranoid idiot and it's just straight up something like T3/Farren/Enchant

my reads are very much not set in stone rnow.

I'm kind of waiting on a lot of stuff™ at the moment but I'm going to try to solidify some of my thoughts tonight because the deadline is shorter than i realized

right now I'm most concerned about falling into the trap of looking for the hardest possible scums, which is something that has been affecting my games negatively recently. which means i have to work through paranoia regarding slots like you and NSG without confbiasing or overthinking myself out of like what should be obvious scum

like it's a situation where i think you've both been at the very least surface level towny thus far but you're also among the slots i'm most concerned I won't be able to read correctly if I'm not extremely careful - I'm trying not to let that veer into an automatic fear-based scum read if that makes sense

Nope I totally understand and that's how I feel about your slot in kind.

[Ich Troje]

If you are scum, I don't want to just blurt things out and give you a chance to try to manufacture anything.

on god the number of players im just mindmelding with is

[Ich Troje]

VOTE: Ich

sup?

[Ich Troje]

T3 can you give an actual read on me

I don't have a read on you but I think Ich is town -> that implies you are scum.

I started to write this post with placing a vote on you and explaining something. But you know what? Let's see what you have to say - Why do you think this?

[Ich Troje]

@koba apparently you're the one who said shit about flow meta

wanna explain your read on them

ya they were traitor in a game I was in with them and I wrecked them, but only after d1 when their partner flipped and I saw the associative. basically if a scum flips, we can figure out if flow is scum but also the fact that flow was gathering attention was pretty +town for flow given that meta.

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nsg are you specifically trying anything different this game from how you normally play? if you consider yourself to have a "normal" style or method of playing to begin with

nope, not really.

This feels like 5 sentences basically saying the same thing.

i like to explain myself when i feel i actually have a point to make. sometimes it's hard to translate what you're intuitively feeling into words.

despite me throwing a pretty large amount of shade your way, you have not commented on it at all to the best of my memory, why is that?

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Yeah, you replied to a reply to me shading you but not directly at all.

[Ich Troje]

VOTE: NSG
we ball

[Ich Troje]

troje, i'm also curious to hear your thoughts as to seemingly thinking that both me and esooa are scum. thoughts there?

thoughts are this question made me laugh because of how vague it is like are you afraid of details

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despite me throwing a pretty large amount of shade your way, you have not commented on it at all to the best of my memory, why is that?

i don't really recall seeing anything from you that seemed to really warrant a response. was there some question i missed? apart from that, all i remember is just a general suspicion you had of me, and the thought that i discredit people as scum, or something. (that's not an attempt to downplay what you said, i'm really just speaking off memory here)

^ does town NSG actually not notice when someone strongly thinks there is a possibility they are scum

only played with a townstump NSG who might as well have flaked out of boredom so yeah.

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Had a stressful game just end time to give this one more focus:D

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T3 tried to "bus" in our last game where we rolled scum together, but we ended up losing horribly so it would not surprise me for a scum!t3 to change up their play to not be so wild for a scumgame here.

[Ich Troje]

This isn't like shade at T3 this is just pointing out that if someone might think to discount something they're pursuing they see in t3 as scummy but think that the lack of that kind of play is clearing, that it may not be here.

Idk I'm just sorta spitballing LOL

[Ich Troje]

town: flow/farren

could be town: dann?

null as shit: enchant, T3

da kinda scummy zone: redtea

woa we wolfin: Esooa, NSG

someone please link some vanilla setup games for NSG if they can, preferably a mix of alignments.

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Also of note it is in scum's best interests to bus on D1 because they need to be townread to get into heaven. This is a perspective I believe scum would have after I had finished the Trust Fall setup that I mentioned with T3 where we lost. We had no way to gain towncred there - but - here you do, which is by tossing a partner under the bus. OR tactically pushing a townie and having a scum off wagon chainsawing it.

just so people are aware of this and also me manipulating scum by showing I am aware of this

[Ich Troje]

Because of a lack of push on me this game d1, I've been notably different thus far than my usual towngames, why did you put me at the top?

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(it's the same as my gameSTARTS but nothing has in particular flipped the "switch" as I like to call it into my more aggressive style, which is why I am different - which is why I am skeptical of any *confident* townreads on me) [also part of why I am moreso reading flow as town bc yeah]

[Ich Troje]

Because of a lack of push on me this game d1, I've been notably different thus far than my usual towngames, why did you put me at the top?

because you're being pocketed. Get some better reads. Maybe reading glasses

pocketing is my weakness owo

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I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.

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I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.

I didn't think your read was real, almost at all. I figured it was just a RT, especially with how bad the reasons were. Now that you've said nothing to continue it but still hold the read though I don't think that anymore

like how're you comparing this game to a wolf game where I was in wolf chat saying "this game sucks, I want to die and I'm just gonna slank tbh"

You think that's just how I wolf every game? Really?

That isn't what I thought was similar.

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oh i typed soemthing up but i forgot but i was like "it can't be that easy that its just redtea cal04 t3"

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enchant*

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I'm a bit bummed out at the lack of WIM from some slots in this game bc it's like ... cmon these phases are important and we wanna make sure scum are less likely to get into heaven by binning 1 today.

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is it possible to just win by sending all townies off everyday regardless if its heaven or hell and martyr chat if its pure can just send everyone else to hell im not sure i understand this

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oh we only need 2 mafia in hell to win poggers

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sorry for rambling spam im trying to just work through the setup now because i wanna know how exactly like we should go about who we send down and who we send up.

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i tried to meta redtea and their towngame has a depth that is not present here but also they've had town games where they literally just half flake and its -_- how do I read this shit.


VOTE: redtea fuck it.

WIM is at an all time low and we need a flip to kickstart this shit b4 apathy sets in

praying for a scum flip

sorry for sending u to hell redtea

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yea

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don't think that it was? esooa, farren, t3 and troje are the only ones voting him, near as i can tell. sorry if this interrupts any sick twilight sorting anyone was planning to do but i don't think it's actually a hammer.

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i actually thought it was when I posted but when I said yea i knew it wasn't lol

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that works too

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if redtea flips scum they arent teammates with farren dann or nsg

[Ich Troje]

Obvious why

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VOTE: Enchant

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When you scroll up to catch up and see your vote change was further justified lmao

I was working and during work i thought about this game and what i saw redtea post when waking up this morning and I townread them more now when crossreferencing with the games I read of them. Not heaven ascending type of confidence but enough to keep em outta hell

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what do you find strange about it? I admit I had trouble navigating the phrasing at first but I think it makes pretty clear sense to me now

Last night when i saw the posts I briefly thought a dann/redtea/nsg team was viable based on thinking that there was beatlejuice going on to save redtea but on reflection of the above i dont think so. If redtea IS scum I think though the 2 have higher chances of being scum based on that event

[Ich Troje]

Didnt mean to quote that

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Oh lmao i said last night its unlikely bc i was thinking "no way redtea talks this sloppy with nsg/dann to help them in the PT" but in reality that doesnt make sense unless they're drafting posts in retrospect.

I'll do some holistic analysis later on the 3 if enchant flips town.

[Ich Troje]

great ace attorney is an amazing game, the first case is 4 hours long and is filled with amazing content. go play it

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Excellent. Then how does someone you think has a "diseased town brain" and comes up with a "crackpot paranoia theory" makes a good Heaven candidate, given the existence of Judgment Day?

here's a thought: you put 2 scum in heaven and they win so putting people who are town is better for 1

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i don't care how good a person's reads might be, if i think they're town they're getting a heaven vote. i'm explicitly pushing for myself tomorrow regardless but if I have to compromise elsewhere that's my philosophy.

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Farren, do you think i have a "diseased town brain" then?

Because that's dann's read, not yours, but you took it and said "i dont want that in heaven".

[Ich Troje]

Ok. But what is *your* opinion on my slot in that case.

[Ich Troje]

Who knew a really shit discred was enough to flip that "switch" in my head for this game lmao

[Ich Troje]

You're avoiding my question.

What is your opinion on the matter? You're reverting back to mechs and theoretical situations about Dann, you were asked about directly how you felt about it.

[Ich Troje]

You should always doubt my d1 reads, I usually only catch 1 or 2 scum at best

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Farren, it feels really badly like you're setting up to avoid voting for me D2 and planting excuses as well as pushing others to not do so either. Not sure what to think of it.

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Nah.

VOTE: Farren

You howled.

[Ich Troje]

My townread was based on meta from Coalition 2 primarily, holistically that isn't viable anymore.

[Ich Troje]

WAIT U WERE SCUM IN THAT GAME IM SO DUMB LMFAO

[Ich Troje]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85067

[Ich Troje]

There's 16 hours till EOD, you're not.

[Ich Troje]

it's one day, 16 hours until deadline.

interesting thing to react to first thing.

[Ich Troje]

I wanna case Farren but first I want people to read that slot themselves and say what they think so people can't just copy me here.

[Ich Troje]

it's one day, 16 hours until deadline.

interesting thing to react to first thing.

oooh, how diabolically scummy of me!!!

ok, why should anyone townread you?

[Ich Troje]

I don't care about any snark you might have towards my accusations, I too can shit out smartass comments against people's legitimate concerns on people's actions when I'm scum to discredit their push.

What is your read on Farren?

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I wanna case Farren but first I want people to read that slot themselves and say what they think so people can't just copy me here.

this is just a personal question - why care about people "copying" you?

Because I'm looking for TMI.

[Ich Troje]

WAIT U WERE SCUM IN THAT GAME IM SO DUMB LMFAO

diseased town brain

don't look

[Ich Troje]

Why?

[Ich Troje]

kinda agree this entire argument is pretty dumb though. "Diseased town brain" is relating to ONE read koba made. Dann isn't saying they're gonna make awful reads. Kobas actually good at lylos imo anyways. But yeah the amount of things farren is just neglecting here is pretty bad

im the type who recognizes the gamestate scum tried to setup and then tell scum to fuck off and vote them lol

[Ich Troje]

trust me when I say that if I'm scum here I just bus or get my partners to bus me for towncred lol

well... I guess i might conceivably try to play "normally" if my partner was T3 but yeah I think I'm well out of what my scumrange in a setup like this is regardless.

[Ich Troje]

actually nah, with the meta of the last game i could also just do that strat with T3 and point to our last game and say "nope that wouldn't happen there lol"

[Ich Troje]

After a brief reskim I firmly believe Enchant/Farren is TvS

[Ich Troje]

actually you know what,

i don't care how good a person's reads might be, if i think they're town they're getting a heaven vote. i'm explicitly pushing for myself tomorrow regardless but if I have to compromise elsewhere that's my philosophy.

reads opportunist (I mean-

duh

, but not in a town way is what i mean), but since they've been holding back in general there could've been some kinda machinations about promoting themself as a heaven candidate (as a towny) for some time, for all I know

ich troje #683
now you're just being a wise guy

dannflor #601
i feel like farren brought up a good point that dann was dodging for a while- but this makes sense and is acceptable

How is it opportunistic

[Ich Troje]

What are your reads right now redtea?

[Ich Troje]

I had a dream RC replaced into this game and yelled at nsg and I for having terrible reads

Ive only had the pleasure of being in a game he modded before he quit. Hope he is alright, heard he was like me playstyle wise but actually good consistently

[Ich Troje]

i would heaven farren in an instant, for the record, if not for the fact i think he might be a critical player for town atm

lol

[Ich Troje]

ich troje #724
tell me why you're pushing yourself tomorrow

I think you can answer that one for yourself.

[Ich Troje]

Hell VC1.12

We all know this one.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to send someone to Hell

Enchant (3):

flow trap, T3, Dannflor

Farren (2):

redtea

, Ich Troje

T3 (2):

Enchant, Esooa

Esooa (1):

northsidegal

Dannflor (1):

Farren

Not Voting:

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-29 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:

redtea, please, if you would, describe why you flipped your read. I think it can happen, as I did so myself, but your thought process is missing from the equation as well as the vote change.

[Ich Troje]

farren came off as "sloppy" town in our mutual game where he flipped scum and I townread him for the exact same thing.

another player had the piece though and carried us after our death after we buried the first scum.

[Ich Troje]

i just realized this game's theme is 80s music and my account is a theme account for a 90s/2000s band lol

[Ich Troje]

@dannfloor @flowtrap come and change ur vote pls

[Ich Troje]

I don't recall you saying you TR enchant, so is there another reason?

vote farren

[Ich Troje]

im intending to switch to t3 regardless b4 deadline. I'm not letting a wagon farren wants get through

[Ich Troje]

based

[Ich Troje]

Why did you want to save farren

[Ich Troje]

Oh yeah, twilight is a thing. I can post until flipped.

Hope you've got a lot of good explaining skills, Enchant, because that was a pretty scummy last minute vote there.

Last words: keep Ich Troje out of heaven.

You know you werent being limmed here

[Ich Troje]

VOTE: ich troje

[Ich Troje]

i know town nsg likes to essentially flake out of games ,does it happen as scum? if thats not the case we can safetly probably bin the slot as safe to not hell.

also

v/la until potentially august 5th, got irl stuff to get done and mafia getting in the way

[Ich Troje]

I see, my sample of town nsg games was 1 where she was a townstump so I'll trust you on that one then

[Ich Troje]

ich troje if you had to vote someone who wasn't yourself this phase, do you know who it would be?

Flow trap would be my top choice

[Ich Troje]

also after me yall 100% need to turbo farren into hell

[Ich Troje]

also after me yall 100% need to turbo farren into hell

Not happening if I have anything to say about it. Either of these things.

I do not risk my life like that as scum unless there is a significant reward outweighing the risk. T3 could easily have switched back to me, and I'd be dead instead.

The only way scum|me doesn't have to worry about that is if T3 is scum as well. In which case, that entire song-and-dance is completely unnecessary, and everything was faked.

And there's no way scum|me could fake that ending, unless *Enchant* was scum and in on it. The timing was too tight unless I know it's happening in advance. Given that Enchant didn't say anything until *literally* the last minute, and given that Enchant flipped Town - not possible.

As for you - no. Not how after you ended D1. If you're Town, I strongly recommend taking a step back and looking at things again. Because otherwise, this is not going to end well for either of us.

these are the ramblings of scum desperate to explain their actions. You were only concerned with self preservation. Nothing else. If you were town who really thought I was scum, you let yourself flip there and then your town flip would be pretty decisive for that. But no, I do not believe you flip town here. And my town flip here will prove you are full of shit.

You're in full anti-spew mode and you know you won't be sheeped here.

[Ich Troje]

ich troje if you had to vote someone who wasn't yourself this phase, do you know who it would be?

Flow trap would be my top choice

I know you're going on V/LA now but if you could briefly case this for me at some point I would appreciate it

It was to do with Flow pointing out that as scum they get consensus townread d1 - which IS true. I've played with both town and scum flow. Town flow got scumread to fuck all d1. Same happened early D1, until it was pushed the reverse based on the previously cited meta. Scum flow was able to appear towny and was ONLY caught via a scum flip that game where he "Reverse spewed" himself.

[Ich Troje]

If you're not sure on flow, if he doesn't look like scum associated with the flip once a scum flips, he should be much clearer then from others' POV.

[Ich Troje]

I cannot possibly believe you can be this uncharitable towards me only because I have a scumread on you based on prior experience with you in a game where I initially misread you as well. You have no depth in play. You only react and make statements of fact rather than analysis.

You're almost definitely scum and you would need to bury another scum(even then, dubious based on the necessity to get towncred for scum in this setup) for me to believe this

[Ich Troje]

You see me, a townie, a strong candidate for preventing scum from getting a person into heaven and you discred me as hard as you can. You haven't even interacted or said anything much about people who SR you.

I think T3 is a likely partner for you as you refused to vote for them too, and I in particular am not accepting of their pocket on me here.

As far as I'm concerned, we just heaven outside you 2 and hell you 2 back to back for the W

[Ich Troje]

That being said, that doesn't mean to heaven anyone willy nilly because that would be throwing - be critical and update reasoning as you go. I know this doesn't need to be said for the rest with Dann/NSG/Esooa here but rather that's why I will primarily push for myself to be candidate today.

[Ich Troje]

Like all you did was make the case that you are scum with T3. Or that you saw T3 was around and getting Enchant was the best bet to not bury yourself.

[Ich Troje]

Subject: Micro 986 - The Coalition: PIFoMP [game over!]

I keep getting distracted by the Norwegian / Mystic show.

Let's say Norwegian's scum. Norwegian's motive as scum in offering to support the coalition that doesn't include him in exchange for eliminating Dostin later is ... what?

Possibilities:
WIFOM. WIFOM is only meaningful to scum if there's scum in the coalition, or if it helps get scum into the coalition. The likelihood of Norwegian getting into any coalition at this point is slim to none, with odds on none. WIFOM would have to be aimed at getting Norwegian's partner into the coalition.

Dostin / Norwegian seems rather laughable as a team, but that's the only person I can think of that would make a sense from a WIFOM perspective. Doesn't seem likely.

Trying to get himself in somehow? Don't see how this would have any chance of working.

Trolling? Not having any idea what would work so trying to throw anything at the wall to see if it would stick? That's all I can think of.

and yet this is no proof that you are out of your scumrange.

[Ich Troje]

Subject: Micro 986 - The Coalition: PIFoMP [game over!]

I don't think this is true btw, IIRC farren's magnum opus where he carried and won the game as solo scum for about five days or something, I was either mod, or killed N0 and therefore (on our site) unaffected by stats.
I was just thinking that farren was not outside his scum range in any way.

this is exactly how you were caught in that game and this is how you are being caught in this one too.

unless you are saying my assessment that you haven't left your scumrange is inaccurate.

[Ich Troje]

That's all the time I plan to spend discussing myself today.

Convenient.

[Ich Troje]

Can't even answer a simple yes/no. Are you, or are you not, within your scumrange here?

[Ich Troje]

A lot of rebuttal for someone clearly talking about other people.

[Ich Troje]

Frozen scum.

[Ich Troje]

You know you can easily shut me up right?

Send me to heaven and I flip - easy enough.

I don't believe that you genuinely think I'm scum here. And hey, if you're scum its to your own benefit to send me up anyways

You haven't said a word about why you want to send Esooa up - and the fact you won't even advocate for yourself is quite hilarious. If I'm scum here - clearly you're the most obvious spewed town from me being scum. But that's not part of the plan, eh?

[Ich Troje]

I realize my push might not be perfect or have some holes in it that can be attacked but I'll be honest I am embellishing in order to emphasize my case and bury farren because of how much I believe they are scum and its a gut feeling I can't translate into finding the right evidence per se without a scum flip to point to.

The EoD was centered around Farren so its not exactly the best evidence against him, so I understand flipping T3 first to test that but yeah.

[Ich Troje]

WIM in this game is so low im considering not pushing for myself anymore to maintain wim at least for another 2 phases

[Ich Troje]

but also otoh fuck yall i wanna be flipped

[Ich Troje]

Touching grass

[Ich Troje]

I agree ichs case on farren isn't good lol

at least for the EoD stuff

he wasn't concerned with self pres that much and seemed way more concerned with telling town what to do after he dies which imo is pretty towny

they're still scum regardless of the quality of my casing.

[Ich Troje]

I think my first choice for heaven though would be Dan

good thing that's my IRL name.

[Ich Troje]

if i were wolf I would because i struggle to get towncred as scum and firmly stay in the "null zone" in people's reads.

[Ich Troje]

not to say i dont do so as town but i ALWAYS do as scum, im essentially threadspewed town by people's reads essentially.

[Ich Troje]

their EoD was faked to appear towny which is what they wanted - when you remove that one little twilight comment, the sheep's clothing comes off

[Ich Troje]

clearly they didn't because farren only got 2 other votes

[Ich Troje]

i just want to get to hell phase so we can go back to advancing our wincon

[Ich Troje]

heaven phase is like nomination mafia where you choose who is nightkilled but it can't be mafia idk lol

i wish this game was more explosive bc then there would be clear people who are like playing poorly but are obvtown that i could vote in lol


as long as we vote heaven outside nsg/farren we should be fine, even if we were to hit the 3rd scum

[Ich Troje]

i dont understand what u mean

[Ich Troje]

your words are making me want to veto your slot today on top of farren wanting you voted in.

make sense please

[Ich Troje]

heaven candidates: me/flow/dann
not PoE for me so acceptable but eh: redteal

no: Esooa/T3
hard no: NSG/Farren

[Ich Troje]

lmao please fuck off with that, you KNEW as soon as you voted enchant you were safe unless someone else came in and swapped off enchant, and posted with that assumption.

[Ich Troje]

remember scum, you can flip me today and I won't have power to vote tomorrow

[Ich Troje]

and also, why not heaven yourself?

I figure advocating for myself today is going to be a waste of breath. It's just going to cause a repeat of yesterday - real-time yesterday, not D1. Increases the likelihood of the thread having an overall hostile atmosphere, and that's never a good thing for Town.

It's the same reason I decided to disengage yesterday. Too many people not around for it to be all scum-related lurking; either it's a heck of a coincidence with RL issues, or people are actively avoiding the thread because it's isn't fun. So I'm assuming the latter and trying to do my part to keep it from happening again.

LAMIST, but the actual scummy kind ^^^

[Ich Troje]

"uwu im so towny see, I won't push for myself because im so concerned with the gametstate uwu :3 heheheh see how towny I am?"

[Ich Troje]

farren will do anything to not post game advancing content and just active lurk the thread

[Ich Troje]

Someone else grill farren for me so they actually have to respond thx

[Ich Troje]

*turns on barbecue*

is it weird that this post made you move up a tier into a new "null tier" lol

[Ich Troje]

Subject: Micro 986 - The Coalition: PIFoMP [game over!]

I think farren has been contributing content and asking questions, but I don't think he has said anything that is hard to say as scum or indicates a towny mindset.
I don't have him as an evil read because he hasn't really done anything pingy, but I know farren is a competent enough scum player to be able to post solid content as evil too.

[Ich Troje]

this is literally my own read here and if this comes from someone who has massive experience with farren - and was correct - this is the correct mindset to have on Farren.

[Ich Troje]

Redtea do u believe i townread farren lol?

[Ich Troje]

heaven candidates: me/flow/dann
not PoE for me so acceptable but eh: redteal

no: Esooa/T3
hard no: NSG/Farren

^ that should answer it for u redtea

[Ich Troje]

wow manatee was 1 post away from pagetop and didn't blank post to take it, a chad mod move.

[Ich Troje]

lol.
MT definitely rolled a scum PM with farren

[Ich Troje]

You dont seem to understand how my read was formed in the first place

[Ich Troje]

I was sick yesterday but I'll try to contribute some todsy during breaks.
If anything, my bday is tomorrow and id love to be conftown for my bday <3
If theres any doubts on me choosing wrong, booneytoonz 14 shows me actually reeevaling based on scum choices. L

[Ich Troje]

MT looks to have nice looking reads but then I see small lines put in that make me go "huh thats not right at all"
Like them calling on people not to vote for me more and let timer run out while theyre the leading counterwagon - something subtle that is not directly saying "vote for me" but trying to keep themselves viable.

[Ich Troje]

Sorry got into the book i was reading over break lol

Its the end of a series i started as a teenager, so it means a lot to me. The book itself is quite nicely analagous with this game's setup so xD

All I'll say is - hell Farren and then I'll take the reins and fix it if i need to reeval, then heaven flow if i was right
MT i cant say either way solidly atp.
Id say more but my supervisor is giving me a stern look , gl

[Ich Troje]

MT, do you want to go first?

[Ich Troje]

Nvm deadline is up. Time to ascend...

[Ich Troje]

GOOD LUCK

[Ich Troje]

ah well so it was dann/redtea lol

[Ich Troje]

i was hoping to have my townreads at least sheeped on a basic level.

[Ich Troje]

flow .. just fucking vote people

[Ich Troje]

u were just being a limp rag for no reason and while i townread that it was so easy to push on

[Ich Troje]

i prob coulda tried harder but couldn't be bothered for a town who had 0 wim

[Ich Troje]

if farren got helled here town prob won tbh bc then i actually woulda thought about the game cuz i queued up farren hell as soon as i saw thread die lol

[Ich Troje]

next time u call it, say it during the game and push on it smh

[Ich Troje]

i actually didnt townread MT, i thought she shielded both her scum partners when she called both Esooa and Farren town

[Ich Troje]

but i was not gonna deal with being wrong on MT and just went with that farren was my scumread lol

[Ich Troje]

next time u call it, say it during the game and push on it smh

I just guessed the motivation behind the push idk what to do with that

if u think something u say it

[Ich Troje]

............

[Ich Troje]

it was just insulting to have my top townread disrespected just bc they played weird - clearly i had a reason for it lol

[Ich Troje]

i actually didnt townread MT, i thought she shielded both her scum partners when she called both Esooa and Farren town

Called Esooa town? I scumread Esooa

you distinctly said esooa/farren were off the table somewhere.