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How have you been? It's been a while.
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That's good.In post 17, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I’ve been alrightIn post 15, Alchemist21 wrote:How have you been? It's been a while.
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How have you been too?In post 16, Titus wrote:
I feel lukewarm about this push.In post 12, Seanzie wrote:VOTE: Alchemist21 no townie would ever subject the rest of town to this pun.
VOTE: Seanzie- Alchemist21
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Except I definitely entered with a joke and an RVS.In post 34, Seanzie wrote:Good question. Instead of entering with jokes or RVS, Alchemist seems to want to be friends with everyone.
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Do you have a read on Seanzie's coyness? You entered the thread going straight for flubber and didn't really react to Seanzie's posts.In post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
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Why didn't you make any sort of post towards Seanzie?In post 40, Umlaut wrote:
Not really. Coyness isn't really a tell, town and scum alike do that all the time.In post 39, Alchemist21 wrote:Do you have a read on Seanzie's coyness? You entered the thread going straight for flubber and didn't really react to Seanzie's posts.
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No. He feels more like low-hanging fruit to me and I think both he and I were interested in seeing who else would push him for voting me. It was notable to me after the first 2 votes that the people voting Seanzie were people who know me, but 2 could just be a coincidence and I wanted to see if there would be a pattern and if anyone would try to pocket me along the way. I wanted to see how it played out a bit more but I think we're past that point now.
For what it's worth I don't think Umlaut was wrong on Flubber but there's another part of me that thinks Flubber could have been pushing Seanzie's bad reasoning in his own way and it strikes me as odd that Umlaut went for Flubber and didn't make any comment towards Seanzie.
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It may be nitpicky but I’m trying to understand Umlaut’s motivation here. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect him to have reacted to the slot literally everyone else was reacting to.In post 54, Datisi wrote:another person that i kind of dislike right now is alchemist. something feels very scummy-nitpicky about his 39/41/43. like, it feels wrong that alch ia shading umlaut for not pressing seanzie while going for flubber just because umlaut didn't find coyness townie. umlaut found flubber's push to be suspicious so he went there, why would town!umlaut automatically have to be evaluating the pushee as well?- Alchemist21
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Let me have bad reads in peace.In post 68, Datisi wrote:while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.
+1 to this.In post 73, Datisi wrote:if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?- Alchemist21
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This post is in a weird place between “I know it’s a joke” and “dude wtf” for me. I haven’t liked any of T3’s posts so far.In post 69, T3 wrote:
Let me have bad reads in peace.In post 68, Datisi wrote:while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.
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Who/what is this in reference to?In post 82, Vulture wrote:How does one man who joins so many mafia games never learn.- Alchemist21
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What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
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This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.
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He only lied if you take the “you posted more” comment literally which only you and Titus claim to have done.In post 116, Flubbernugget wrote:
I'm not seeing it and you're probably overthinking things. dude got pressured on why he voted for you then straight up liedAlchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
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It was an incorrect statement because I did joke and make an RVS vote as well. I actually called it out and the response from Seanzie was just a winky face. I didn’t really know what to make of that response but just assumed he was trolling and let it go because I was more interested in the potential Seanzie wagon.In post 122, Datisi wrote:how is that wrong? at the time of him saying that his vote became serious, alchemist was making small talk and asking people how they were? like, it seems like making friends to me... (don't think he's scum for it, but i can see the thought process as plausible.)- Alchemist21
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So there could still be neigjborizers or something?In post 128, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I had the sense to check on it, it's only valid for the start of the gameIn post 117, Alchemist21 wrote:This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.
Yeah it seemed like it would be weird to have the game start with a guaranteed 1v1, but even then the alternative is confirming there isn’t a hood or masonry which also seems odd to inform us about. I’m not sure why we were given this extra info unless someone decided Town just needs that much of a buff.In post 129, Titus wrote:
That would leave 2 scum for the entire game if one town was in a neighborhood at the start of the game.In post 117, Alchemist21 wrote:This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.
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For context on that, it’s been at least 9 months since I’ve been in a game and the people I was asking how they’ve been are people I played a lot with in the past.In post 134, Seanzie wrote:didn't like how buddy-buddy Alchemist was being, a- Alchemist21
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Can you show me which T3 posts looked Towny to you?In post 187, Aristeia wrote:T3 I'm not quite as comfortable with but they've all done independently townish things that remind me of their towngames.
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Sounds like a you problem.In post 218, Datisi wrote:i currently have about 8 scumleans and 3/4ths of a townread
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Titus comes in and backs Flubbed up.In post 208, Flubbernugget wrote:
looks like I'm mindmelding w/ titusIn post 204, Titus wrote:
I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.
Flubber comes in and backs Titus up.
And both were for issues y’all were in the minority on. I don’t think 2 scum buddies would be this blatant with each other but it’s really feeling like at least one of you is scum.
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The point is that if he’s scumreading 8 slots then his idea of scumminess is way too broad and he needs to figure out where he’s going wrong instead of putting it on everyone else.In post 235, Umlaut wrote:
What's the point of this reply?In post 225, Alchemist21 wrote:
Sounds like a you problem.In post 218, Datisi wrote:i currently have about 8 scumleans and 3/4ths of a townread
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Because I was already leaning scum on Flubber. Him going second also makes me think he’s trying to pocket the 1 Town player that was on his side.In post 237, Umlaut wrote:
Why Flubber over Titus? Just because he's leading?In post 226, Alchemist21 wrote:
Titus comes in and backs Flubbed up.In post 208, Flubbernugget wrote:
looks like I'm mindmelding w/ titusIn post 204, Titus wrote:
I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.
Flubber comes in and backs Titus up.
And both were for issues y’all were in the minority on. I don’t think 2 scum buddies would be this blatant with each other but it’s really feeling like at least one of you is scum.
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There’s a chance Titus was defending Flub early to look good if the slot everyone was scumreading flipped Town and she was the only one Townreading it, and then Flubber just kinda latched on because any open port in a storm looks good, but all that’s the less likely scenario.In post 240, Umlaut wrote:So does "at least one of you is scum" just mean "...because Flubber is scum" or do you have a model of that exchange where Titus is scum and Flub is town?
Something about that phrase pings me, because I don't see how Flubber returning Titus' townread/mindmeld/etc. can possibly reflect badly onher.- Alchemist21
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What posts are making you feel out-of-touch?In post 241, Gamma Emerald wrote:anyone have questions for me?- Alchemist21
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You could start one of your own. Any reads you feel really strongly about?In post 244, Gamma Emerald wrote:this entire page kinda
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Gamma admitting to it and not really caring about the optics of the post is more Towny than not imo.In post 246, Flubbernugget wrote:
this is probably the worst page to make this comment aboutIn post 244, Gamma Emerald wrote:this entire page kinda
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Ok. Can you go into detail about why?In post 248, Gamma Emerald wrote:
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You could start one of your own. Any reads you feel really strongly about?In post 244, Gamma Emerald wrote:this entire page kinda
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You double checked and still missed me.In post 250, Lukewarm wrote:Had to look at the playerlist to see who I was missing- Alchemist21
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Hypothetically let’s assume you’re wrong about who they are; can you elaborate on this part? Quote specific posts that make you think this?In post 252, Gamma Emerald wrote:in general I think her approach is town- Alchemist21
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I have the highest post count in the game. How much more do you need to hear? What posts are giving you weird vibes?In post 284, MegAzumarill wrote:Honestly most of the people here are giving me town vibes, I would like to hear some more from Alch, because they are giving off some weird vibes.
I think ChaosOmega is also giving off some weird vibes, but they seem to already be under fire.
Not really scumreads, but more off nullreads in a sea of townreads for me -_('-')_-- Alchemist21
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Do tell.In post 289, T3 wrote:
Oh, I know what's going on.In post 274, Gamma Emerald wrote:Before I post my reasons for TRing Aristeia, I have a bit of an odd question for Datisi:
Would you rather be a one-shot bulletproof or one-shot vigilante?- Alchemist21
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Then why say anything about it in the first place?In post 308, T3 wrote:
*confusion*In post 305, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How so? The more you evade, the more I’ll be convinced of my own picture of the situation, and trust me, it wouldn’t be a good one for you.In post 302, T3 wrote:I shouldn't say.
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Yes, I ask people to elaborate so I can understand them better. I also didn’t say Datisi was being scummy, I was saying the number of scumreads is problematic and the issue is on his end, not ours.In post 314, MegAzumarill wrote:I think my main problem with Alch here is that even though they are posting frequently, their posts are primarily just asking for other people to elaborate. I also disagree with the criticism of Datsi having a large number of SRs early on. I find that kind of behavior natural of townies.
I’ve also done more than just ask for elaboration from people, but I don’t think you actually read the game carefully; I think you just skimmed through it.- Alchemist21
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How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.- Alchemist21
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I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?In post 328, T3 wrote:
After some flips.In post 326, Alchemist21 wrote:
How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.
VOTE: T3- Alchemist21
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If that’s true you better type it up again because nobody has any reason to believe it existed in the first place.- Alchemist21
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That’s the first thing you said I could actually believe. Calling attention to it the way you did isn’t really helpful to anyone but scum though.In post 350, T3 wrote:
jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.In post 338, Alchemist21 wrote:
I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?In post 328, T3 wrote:
After some flips.In post 326, Alchemist21 wrote:
How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.
VOTE: T3
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It’s the only acceptable answer he could have given, but to call attention to the post then try to sweep it under the rug instead of giving their thoughts looked more like scum going “shit I fucked up and this looks bad, let’s hope they forget about it and it goes away.”In post 351, Datisi wrote:it was pretty obvious that t3 was trying to get out of having to say something about mech and i'm hmm at alchemist trying to force the issue >_>
i still wanna see the wall on my meta, though.- Alchemist21
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Are you saying he’s acting less shady now than in a previous Town game?In post 356, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This also tracks I thinkIn post 350, T3 wrote:
jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.In post 338, Alchemist21 wrote:
I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?In post 328, T3 wrote:
After some flips.In post 326, Alchemist21 wrote:
How much longer is later exactly?In post 323, T3 wrote:
It will become clear later.In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.In post 311, T3 wrote:So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.
VOTE: T3
k?
It kinda feels like how he acted in Mini 2213, but less shady, as ludicrous as it seems- Alchemist21
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Nah this one’s still on you. You’re the one who said they saw something.In post 363, T3 wrote:It wasn't that big of a stir, but Gamma and you brought attention to it.- Alchemist21
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I agree with you, scum very rarely metadive anyone because they have no need to and don’t feel like spending the energy reading other games.In post 372, Datisi wrote:still shelfing this as Town For Effort for now because idk why scum!t3 does this. i feel like i've heard somewhere that scum!t3 likes to do townreads on townies but this feels a bit unnecessary. idk.- Alchemist21
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Agree with the Chaos read. As I mentioned earlier I think the oddness in Azumarill’s posts is coming from them skimming the thread and not really knowing what they’re talking about which is NAI and I’m willing to come back from V/LA and put more focus into the game before I try to pin down a read there.In post 380, Lukewarm wrote:@Alchemist, thoughts on the chaos and the meg scum reads going around?- Alchemist21
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In post 429, Datisi wrote:for the record, my 427 doesn't mean "being on v/la is scummy", it means "the person on v/la happens to be scummy, unrelated to their v/la", in case someone decides to try to shitpush me for that bad wording- Alchemist21
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I would move to Chaos too, I just have a preference for Flubber.In post 460, Lukewarm wrote:
I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.In post 459, MathBlade wrote:My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.
What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?- Alchemist21
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He had a weird entrance and there’s a dynamic between him and Titus that makes me think Flubber is scum. Chaos looks like scum trying to justify all their actions but it’s slightly more plausible that it could be Town than Flubber.In post 468, MathBlade wrote:
Why?In post 465, Alchemist21 wrote:
I would move to Chaos too, I just have a preference for Flubber.In post 460, Lukewarm wrote:
I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.In post 459, MathBlade wrote:My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.
What do you make of your chaos wagon and reactions or lack thereof?- Alchemist21
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I did push that idea in post 47In post 478, MathBlade wrote:
I think that if you had that idea you’d have pushed it rather than asking others about it.In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
More votes on Flub plz- Alchemist21
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Then read it again because it’s the entire first paragraph. This shouldn’t be difficult for you to understand.In post 539, MathBlade wrote:Not seeing how that post 47 has to do with my predecessor potentially seeing who would defend/pocket you.- Alchemist21
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