This is a really garbage reason for a push
VOTE: Flubbernugget
This is a really garbage reason for a push
Yup!In post 30, Flubbernugget wrote:You attack someone for attacking someone for...posting?
Not really. Coyness isn't really a tell, town and scum alike do that all the time.In post 39, Alchemist21 wrote:Do you have a read on Seanzie's coyness? You entered the thread going straight for flubber and didn't really react to Seanzie's posts.
Not totally sure, just gut I suppose. I guess I'd expect scum!Datisi to think of me as someone he can get away with scumreading since as far as I can recall you've been at leastIn post 219, Datisi wrote:ok i'm gonna askIn post 199, Umlaut wrote:If anything I'm mildly paranoid about being buddied but that's not a behavior I would really expect from scum!Datisi toward me anyway (though my experience with scum!Datisi is limited so I'm really just guessing there).
why are you guessing that there?
What's the point of this reply?In post 225, Alchemist21 wrote:Sounds like a you problem.In post 218, Datisi wrote:i currently have about 8 scumleans and 3/4ths of a townread
can whoever is town here start acting like it
Why Flubber over Titus? Just because he's leading?In post 226, Alchemist21 wrote:Titus comes in and backs Flubbed up.In post 208, Flubbernugget wrote:looks like I'm mindmelding w/ titusIn post 204, Titus wrote:I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.In post 187, Aristeia wrote:Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.
Flubber comes in and backs Titus up.
And both were for issues y’all were in the minority on. I don’t think 2 scum buddies would be this blatant with each other but it’s really feeling like at least one of you is scum.
VOTE: Flubber
Give me the tl;dr on Chaos? (I realize this is kind of a silly phrasing given Chaos has all of 6 posts but you know what I mean)
I can only recall one game I've played with Chaos (years ago), and he was town in that game and was pretty much like this. Maybe his meta has changed though?In post 762, Titus wrote:That's the problem. Town Chaos is more leadery or tries to be.In post 757, Umlaut wrote:Give me the tl;dr on Chaos? (I realize this is kind of a silly phrasing given Chaos has all of 6 posts but you know what I mean)
I like this post a lot, town points for Luke for efforting in his reads. The particular reasons Luke is pointing out to suspect Meg don't seem to me like like the kind of reasons scum would use to manufacture a scumread.In post 793, Lukewarm wrote:Their read list in 509 578 felt made up.In post 788, Datisi wrote:what's your opinion on the newer stuff that meg's posted?In post 784, Lukewarm wrote:I am considering moving my vote to meg, which, I.know
I was the one saying Chaos>Meg, and now people are moving my way, but yeah.
x.x
The exact single line on each and every player I think is part of what makes it seem manufactured, because I feel like the average player actually has lots and lots of thoughts on some slots, but then not very many thoughts on others. So, the single line on each feels more like someone trying to manufacture a read list.
And even following that, it has taken questions for Meg to expound on things. And the way they have expounded, feels more like a conversation in abstraction then how they feel about each player they are talking about. Like, why each action could be read the way they read them in the read lists, as opposed to what they think about each player.
This line did nothing for me, and looks like just trying to buy time, and does not give me town feelsIn post 610, MegAzumarill wrote:I'm fine to be today's mislim but I would like to discuss my analysis more in depth, especially when more people are online.
Try to curb your trigger happy hammering and not cut the day short, I have more to say but the discussion will take some time.
and found it absolutely hilarious given how my last game with Luke wentIn post 1006, Lukewarm wrote:To be frank, when my top scum read decides to omgus scum read me back, I don't think it is all that beneficial for me to engage in a 1v1 with that person directly.
I'll do this in the next 24 hours, pls yell at me if I don't.In post 1042, Datisi wrote:can you read meg iso and say what you think? there have been PLENTY points on why meg could be scum.In post 1033, Umlaut wrote:Sort of want to put my vote on Meg by PoE (I think Vulture and Chaos have both looked towny to me at various points) but I'd be lying if I said I had reasoning for that
This is a very weird line of thought. Why on earth would someone else thinking it's a weird kill mean it isn't one, scumread or not? What exactly is the connection here?In post 1212, MathBlade wrote:I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?
It's aIn post 1229, MathBlade wrote:Agreeing with a scumread is a sign something is either wrong with your scumread or you’re a pocket/set up to be pocketed/or it’s an agreement to get you to think otherwise.In post 1224, Umlaut wrote:Oh look I'm getting wagoned. I could jump on Chaos if it's him or me but I haven't seen any good reason to suspect him aside from "read this other game to see his meta" which I'm just not going to do.
This is a very weird line of thought. Why on earth would someone else thinking it's a weird kill mean it isn't one, scumread or not? What exactly is the connection here?In post 1212, MathBlade wrote:I really don’t like the fact me and a top scumread are both thinking it’s a weird kill so maybe it’s just not?
What are your thoughts about the game so far? Any reads?
In the very game you are linking, you were on my case for being inactive and it turned out I was town.In post 1329, Datisi wrote:this is difficult, because it's not about what he *was* doing, it's about what he *wasn't* doing. meg flipped town, and arguably the biggest counter was vulture. i have a gut feeling that vulture is townie. it's not extremely strong but it's there. in that case, umlaut's scum equity goes WAY up, because he's being a lazy fuck, and that very much fits with scum!him not having to effort if he doesn't have to. (it also points at there very likely being a deepwolf.)In post 1297, MathBlade wrote:To those of you who are that sure Umlaut is scum, why not go look back and see what was scummy D1?
like, i cannot point at anything that umlaut has done day one and say "this is scum because xyz" because he hasn't. but with the wagon's that happened and the way they played out, i think there's value in running him up to claim at least and forcing content out of him that way.
Actually I really dislike this, why is this even unlikely? Scum stay off town wagons all the time. I mean I know I'm not scum but I don't think this is a good enough reason to think I'm not and it feels like making up a reason to be off the wagon.In post 1320, Aristeia wrote:you think umlaut is scum who saw town killing town and just didn't care enough to vote?
I honestly forgot you townread me D1. I don't really find naked votes suspicious, to be honest, but when you put it that way yeah, I'm wondering where the flip came from.In post 1293, ChaosOmega wrote:Umlaut, I was town reading you all D1 and then naked voted you to start D2, do you find that suspicious at all? Also, who are you currently scumreading? I know you had the initial push on Flubber, but you felt better about Prism, not sure where you stand right now.
And I'm back to not liking Lukewarm. I need to go back through and see the momentum of my and Meg's wagons when he switched, I gave him townpoints because I thought mine had more momentum, but if Meg's had more, the switch doesn't do as much for me.
Why?In post 1358, Gamma Emerald wrote:I still am on board with eliminating Umlaut
Somehow I don't think scum explicitly brings up to me that they did this if I'm leaving it aloneIn post 1293, ChaosOmega wrote:Umlaut, I was town reading you all D1 and then naked voted you to start D2, do you find that suspicious at all? Also, who are you currently scumreading? I know you had the initial push on Flubber, but you felt better about Prism, not sure where you stand right now.
In post 1296, MathBlade wrote:1224 reads to me like someone entirely uninterested in the game not scummy. Many many times I have seen completely disinterested town and scum make similar posts. Ari also did the same sort of uninterested hop in but yet you pick on Umlaut why? I have as scum taken advantage of disinterested town to get a quick elim. We just had wagonpalooza D1 and now 4 people are confident sans case?
That reads one of two things neither of which are protown to share yet. Regardless I think a scum in Chaos, Datisi, Gamma, and Titus is quite high regardless of which explanation I go down.
Premise A: (Secret premise)
If Premise A is true then scum likely think Premise A is true and therefore would vote Umlaut.
If Premise A is not true then scum likely think they may get a free elim by hopping on without discussion like everyone else.
Math says he's not defending me and wants me limmed but this definitely reads like defending to me...In post 1297, MathBlade wrote:It’s rather telling that 1224 is the first attempt to explain Umlaut scum rather than using D1 and that’s after unexplained votes appeared.
To those of you who are that sure Umlaut is scum, why not go look back and see what was scummy D1?
Make a case of it.
What exactly was the plan with this experiment? Like what were you hoping would happen?In post 1465, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Unvote
Nevermind bad idea.
Datisi I will make you a deal. I will vote Umlaut right now for the low low price of “told you so” post game.