mini normal 2226; who won

[DkKoba]

hi i havent read shit

someone tell me if this gamestate is cool or shit

[DkKoba]

i actually dont even know what dayphase or how many people are alive other than its not d1

[DkKoba]

Hi pls solve the game

fuck

[DkKoba]

to counter the effect of my replacement on scumteam plans and to be fair to them, i'm going to not tryhard - which will have the great side effect of no toxicity from me ... win win (:<

[DkKoba]

please refer to my note about not tryharding
im here to vibe and do the gameing

if you present me providing game content/reads in the form of a fun game, I'll bite though


*activates pooky mode*

[DkKoba]

ok because i like NM, I will out my read on him for free which is town based on his 2 posts

[DkKoba]

gifs are scummy.,.. nyucky!

[DkKoba]

actuallly on second thought - gifs can be towny but not animal gifs

[DkKoba]

gifs are scummy.,.. nyucky!

you tryna go?

[DkKoba]

gifs are scummy.,.. nyucky!

actuallly on second thought - gifs can be towny but not animal gifs

pokemon are not animals

[DkKoba]

Turtles, however are VOTE: Titus

[DkKoba]

you tryna go?

r u ok?

[DkKoba]

I feel I have lost all understanding of this game.

Also, Hi Koba

Math Gamma Datisi and I are town. The rest is irrelevant.

oh are you in a masonry?

[DkKoba]

gameing?

[DkKoba]

Now for some speculation. With the info that only 3 people have access to a PT, I think there is a higher than normal chance of a traitor being in the game.

actually no, the odds of a traitor, who doesn't have access to a pt, drop to zero. if there are three scum, two with a pt, where's the third player with it? can't be a townie, since they would immediately know what their partner is scum.

i think it would use you to rethink a little bit, i get you think umlaut is scum, but both his partners being that obvious in trying to save him would be a bit... unlikely, at least?

@math, i'll get to your q later, about to leave the house right now.

not to tryhard but i had a normal where neighborizer started with their PT and wrote in it and left notes for the next person when they died n1 while using their action

[DkKoba]

and now i cant find that game and cba to so hf

[DkKoba]

yes, i think im having a good time.

[DkKoba]

im using this game as a test to see if i can intentionally not WIM so i can mimic this when i roll scum btw - and also so scum dont kill me because im a fun role :3

[DkKoba]

who cares, just kill the baddies lol

[DkKoba]

guys... im mason with 2 mason partners wtf 1

[DkKoba]

NM u deserve to be jailed for seriousposting this much

[DkKoba]

disgusting

[DkKoba]

I can’t… like I just can’t.

There is so much troll I don’t know where the serious begins.

One things for certain a lot of y’all’s keyboards better be broken with all the PR role talk and you should stop.

Yeah im pretty powerful

[DkKoba]

how are gamma and umlaut partnered tho

[DkKoba]

i can't believe gamma got away with this!!!!!!

[DkKoba]

I still think gamma a baddie

[DkKoba]

[quote="In post 1663, Datisi"][/quote]
remember what I said when I subbed into this game?

no tryharding :3

[DkKoba]

either yall already got it or im right so im not pressed tbh

[DkKoba]

gameing

[DkKoba]

Hey Koba, vote Chaos

i cant betray him another time, sorry

[DkKoba]

how is this nitpicking helping you solve datisi lol

[DkKoba]

u look like ur doing busy work LOL

[DkKoba]

Also im waiting in the juror selection room rn AMA

[DkKoba]

Also im waiting in the juror selection room rn AMA

why is gamma scum :3

cuz im balling
also he flat as a board

[DkKoba]

Take copious notes prolly. I bet Titus will want to talk to you after the mafia game is done.

Pedit: Let him pick idgaf. I am a notoriously hard sort.

Was talking to YOU nitpicking over datisis comments.
Semantics arguments are boring and im tired of breaking them up - stahp it

[DkKoba]

I believe I already confessed to being lazy this game, not a crazy revelation to have

[DkKoba]

me : im playing lazy this game
gamma: omg you're being lazy
me: yes

[DkKoba]

just have a towngame that you put your all into and get limmed for being right. - sucks the tryhard outta you.
Game in question actually just finished: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5185779

[DkKoba]

lol chaos led the umlaut wagon I'm not interested ever in them

[DkKoba]

And?

[DkKoba]

their push against me is totally lifeless, compared to times where koba has pushed against me as town
being demotivated accounts for some of it but even the logic doesn't compare to what koba has put forth against me when town

fam u joined a scum wagon at the end of it that had no counterwagon and now are pushing someone who helped start that very same wagon LOL

stop trolling

[DkKoba]

people are trying to project their playstyle at other people when thats extremely unreasonable lol
y'all know better cmon

[DkKoba]

alch, do you really think scum!omega plays the way he did around scum!umlaut and now locks himself in a pr claim?

I said yesterday that I think Chaos is more important to the scumteam than Umlaut. They were happy to let Umlaut die but they need Chaos, and that’s why today he’s doing this PR pretending and throwing shade at Math.

This theory is level -2

[DkKoba]

their push against me is totally lifeless, compared to times where koba has pushed against me as town
being demotivated accounts for some of it but even the logic doesn't compare to what koba has put forth against me when town

fam u joined a scum wagon at the end of it that had no counterwagon and now are pushing someone who helped start that very same wagon LOL

stop trolling

false, I voted umlaut early, jumped off to see what would happen, and returned when I p much got bored with that and was ready to end the day

Flat as a board i tell ya

[DkKoba]

So far all I'm seeing is the same shit reasons for chaos scum thaf i had vomited at me in the large normal i replaced into where i pinned scum but then had to go in circles and voted chaos just to prove a point lmao

Like yall just making me townread them more the more people try to cite dumb shit to call them scum lmao

[DkKoba]

their push against me is totally lifeless, compared to times where koba has pushed against me as town
being demotivated accounts for some of it but even the logic doesn't compare to what koba has put forth against me when town

fam u joined a scum wagon at the end of it that had no counterwagon and now are pushing someone who helped start that very same wagon LOL

stop trolling

false, I voted umlaut early, jumped off to see what would happen, and returned when I p much got bored with that and was ready to end the day

theres a lot of blanks in the middle there but sure

[DkKoba]

I voted scum all day D2, you tried to derail their lim. Your posts seem to suck worse than mine on a surface level glance.

What are your thoughts on Alch and Luke?

This post only makes me even more sure that you’re scum.

You've been wrong this whole game, why stop now?

Another attempt to discredit. Omega is not doing anything to show he’s Town, just attacking the wagon.

No (:

[DkKoba]

Hmmmm. Nope.

[DkKoba]

it's not chaos or nothing, there's still one other scum out there

Yeah?
It's probably not chaos js.

[DkKoba]

Fam if you want to tell me chaos has this amazing scumgame where they lead on their partner in the way they did after a case from someone else you're absolutely trolling and i don't really care to pretend that I'm listening to any cases you provide

[DkKoba]

all of you is the same to me i read the gamestate

[DkKoba]

lol chaos led the umlaut wagon I'm not interested ever in them

btw @Titus: this remind you of anything? Perhaps a certain stranger from a strange land? A probe far past our solar system initially sent to monitor the rulers of gods and Titans?

clarifying this, in a game that literally just finished a scum tried to claim they and their scumbuddy were prime movers in getting the initial push on the first flipped scum to happen, which I rightly honed in on to steer to game towards that scum's elimination
Titus was the scumbuddy in that scenario

sure - and are we talking about titus here?

[DkKoba]

nm and i are both town so gl with that

[DkKoba]

for once i am vibing with koba and that scares me lmfao

i have reached mafia enlightenment

[DkKoba]

Titus, why am near the bottom of your PoE?

[DkKoba]

Wait prism is in this game? Dude saltily repped out of a game i was in with him recently because apparently i*exist* so lmao
dude's alignment is easy as hell to read tho; theyre a level 1 emotional player

[DkKoba]

I am sad that you think I could be guilty Titus.

its ok because you NM and I create a 3 person voting bloc and they'll never break us

[DkKoba]

Titus, why am near the bottom of your PoE?

VCA

I don't believe you.

[DkKoba]

I also think you shouldnt deign to try to read me in games because you have a pretty poor record of it, if you're naturally scumreading me that should be more of an indicator im town lol

[DkKoba]

and that goes for when I was both town and scum, which hammers home my point.

[DkKoba]

I told yall i didnt read shit and i meant it

[DkKoba]

All i knew is the pr role the mod told me to confirm upon my first post.
Reading is for nerds

[DkKoba]

You wot

[DkKoba]

not sure there's a point in asking for his result form last night when he said it's not useful and it's giving free info to scum.

if there was a chance that stops the lol tunnels i'd say to do it, but i feel like someone like alchemist is gonna scream to yeet him no matter what he claims so /shrug

I'd like to conftown two players

You townread one of NM/me - you get 2 town players for the price of one!

[DkKoba]

gameing

[DkKoba]

fam why do u think im shielding the elim, im.tryna rush to try to kill him again tonight

[DkKoba]

we shouldn't be pushing early wagoners early bc fishing doc kinda bad iykyk

[DkKoba]

VOTE: mathblade

[DkKoba]

You're twisting everything just to portray chaos as scum.

[DkKoba]

You're twisting everything just to portray chaos as scum.

I believe Chaos is scum.

I find his defenders are much more looking at Chaos though rose tinted glasses here.

I am literally doing the opposite here and assuming he is town here Koba.

Ok. I read him correctly despite consensus being against him in the past. I caved later by my initial vibes were right. Case him if you really think he is scum

[DkKoba]

You're going against locktown Math and trying to go after his extremely confident clear. It's not happening. Even if you think Chaos is scum, he has a partner.

In what world is math locktown?

[DkKoba]

and make sure to address why a scum chaos would vote their partner on a whim of a case from *datisi* if what was said was correct

[DkKoba]

no offense datisi but you're never the charismatic type with casings usually

[DkKoba]

Who do you think my partner is then Math? I'll talk to you about any player you want, give you some more associatives you love.

just start replying in gifs and dont legitimize the push lmao

[DkKoba]

Its most likely scum tried to kill datisi or chaos and failed and that should make chaos less likely in both scenarios.

ok back to no tryhard mode, i rest my case on chaos town tho

[DkKoba]

and make sure to address why a scum chaos would vote their partner on a whim of a case from *datisi* if what was said was correct

omega voted umlaut first.

and i'm not trying to case anyone here.

Im saying according to others descriptions on what happened d2 was that you cased umlaut but chaos was first vote

[DkKoba]

Point taken. It's possible you are right. If Alch defended Umlaut as if Umlaut was town, my point would have more weight. Yet, that's not what Alch did.

Alch, what do your reads look like?

I have a Townreads on everyone but Chaos, Ari, and you. Koba was in the group of people I don’t trust but his tone is growing on me as a Towny one. If I had to vote between you and Ari it would be Ari.

Why Luke? Why me? Why Ari?

Luke was the main driver of the Chaos wagon D1; he got cold feet about it as the wagon grew and switched to Meg. If Luke is scum and Chaos Town there was no reason for the switch, and if they were scum together he wouldn’t have come back to Chaos for D2. Additional points for our mindmelds.

Ari’s voting patterns have been weird and I think they might be scum who isn’t sure what to do in this gamestate.

You’re dead null. Some of your takes have been weird but I think they could be Town. You and Math are speaking in Elvish and how to take your posts, but he’s your brother so I figure Math is better for reading you here. I’ve also been wanting to give you time to run VCA since I remember that being your main scumhunting tool.

a simpler answer is that chaos is uninformed

[DkKoba]

You’ve done a lot of sheeping and you always seem hesitant to strike out on your own to make a play. It feels like you don’t know what to do with your own vote a lot of the time.

thanks for helping make the case for pooky being town

[DkKoba]

just townblock datisi, I, ari, chaos, and NM and we win gg ez
Titus maybe but i never can read her so im pensive abt it

[DkKoba]

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

how u gonna say "likely not" at the 2 likley remaining scum

[DkKoba]

VC 1.09

MegAzumarill (6):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Gamma Emerald 364, Titus 390, Vulture 456, Flubbernugget 537

D-1

Flubbernugget (3):

Umlaut 29, T3 113, Alchemist21 371

ChaosOmega (2):

Lukewarm 259, MathBlade 558

Lukewarm (1):

ChaosOmega 261

Vulture (1):

MegAzumarill 579

not voting:

with 13 alive it takes 7 to destroy.

deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:55:00)

We know Meg is town here at this point.

Want to assume I am scum incorrectly here? Why don’t I hammer?

Same with Alch and Luke.

These are the questions that have to be answered with narrative.

Imma be real with you chief, it doesn’t matter what alignment I am I don’t really like being the hammer vote. Even as scum in this situation I wouldn’t be rushing to hammer.

from my 1 game sample i witnessed this is true

[DkKoba]

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

how u gonna say "likely not" at the 2 likley remaining scum

Are you looking to expand the elimination pool?

How can you read all of what i said and conclude that

[DkKoba]

yes; thats what you're doing. Im fixing the issue.
if i bother to read this game its probably even more solved, but cba. Im vibing

[DkKoba]

Me: these 5 people who are being consensus scumread by others are town imo
Titus: youre literally expanding the limpool

everyone:??????

[DkKoba]

is this the same reading method that let gamma beat you as scum in townstump game

[DkKoba]

tbh titus i'm still not satisfied with the explanation that math is town. missed kill is whatever because it looked like he bought my act of having the guilty, and if both scum and protective bought it, and he's scum, i feel like it's likely he just shoots me?

saying town!him goes against consensus sometimes is fine and dandy but that doesn't prove he's not scum that's going against consensus here, which is what i actually need here. besides, with a missed kill and omega slowly slipping away, i feel like scum would have to fight against consensus?

vote with me lol

[DkKoba]

koba, why is alch not scum?

You are asking the wrong person, he's in my poe.

[DkKoba]

gamma howling

[DkKoba]

fam tbh even alch has towntold recently so if i were to flip here irdc just actually sheep my townreads and ignore anything math tries to say.

[DkKoba]

Gamma, what's your solve?

Alch+Koba

Go on with Koba please.

Also, why not Math? I am debating the possibility that he gets miseliminated after I die because he's making himself too widely suspected to live to elo.

U will never be nightkilled this game

[DkKoba]

I think its funny how many games titus goes and reads me as tfhe opposite alignment as i actually am and never thinks to hwrself "hmm maybe something i am doing here is wrong"
it astounds the mind.

[DkKoba]

cool

[DkKoba]

gamma howling

Why? I see nothing wrong with his posting.

koba, can you answer this? i don't think you said why other than gamma being flat, and i would like to hear more.

also, i feel like i wanted to look at something tonight, but my mood got shot so i'm taking a break for tonight and looking tomorrow. try not to kill anyone while i'm gone.

my effort quota has been well exceeded today - please try again tomorrow.

[DkKoba]

Ok i'll give y'all one more thing: does a town!gamma really believe that a world where I'm scum I talk down a wagon on chaos if he is town - it seems much more reasonable if you are town that if you think I'm scum, my actions would more point towards me being scum ~with~ chaos.I must be doing a terrible job of this getting mislims thing if I'm letting an obvtown slot who supposedly pushed on my partner hard not go through

[DkKoba]

I am though. I have unvoted chaos and mentioned where I am at and the issues I have with the VcA done.

I am reading your arguments.

I am asking those questions as well. I just think you’re misunderstanding me. I have issues with your arguments. I need time to read the thread and do VCA I don’t have.

I am helping solve by not interrupting and seeing where things go. Sometimes the protown thing for me is to shut the fuck up which I am.

This is why I think you're town. I think you need time to generally do what we need, which is why I am fighting for you.

I agree on you taking your VLA. I might join you depending on work and Humankind. I expect to draft one of the most important memos soon.

I’m VT.

I’m not really sure what my solve is at this point unless Koba was right about it being Titus/Gamma.

VOTE: Titus

I never said Titus was a top FOS, in fact the inverse is true.

[DkKoba]

I concede ari could be a blind spot but theyre too fun so i wont be accepting criticism

[DkKoba]

I got bored with my reread on page 11.

Looking at T3's last posts...

VOTE: vult
I'll sheep.

T3's last vote.

VOTE: DKKoba

Why does scum!me dissolve chaos wagon?

[DkKoba]

titus, you're looking to twist evidence to match the theory and its blatant lol

[DkKoba]

you're going to have to prove you're playing in good faith a different way

[DkKoba]

Ok Koba is just scum.

Why?

[DkKoba]

VOTE: dkkoba
we're doing this now, cool

absolutely howling

[DkKoba]

Ok Koba is just scum.

Why?

Instead of answering questions, you attack me. Vulture was scummy. Umlaut didn't want to vote him at EoD.

ok ms. "0% koba read rate"

[DkKoba]

there's 2 options here:
You're town and your read on me implies im town based on prior game evidence
Youre scum and you're trying to miselim me

both scenarios in town. Thank u im clear now

[DkKoba]

im not that person so tyvm

[DkKoba]

"But _____ did it and they were scum!"
cool story, how does that mean anything about me?

evidence is evidence

[DkKoba]

we were both scum when we manipulated titus into townreading us

stop lmao

[DkKoba]

why indeed- its a perfect segway into why i should be townread and you should be scumread.

But hey, if titus wants to continue their streak of being pocketed in games fine by me lol

[DkKoba]

why indeed- its a perfect segway into why i should be townread and you should be scumread.

mind translating this for the general public?

last time titus was town against me as scum as well as gamma, she was fooled by both of our scum playstyles.

gamma flying under the radar and being such a strong read from titus is indicative of a scum gamma but dont tell titus that

[DkKoba]

maybe im moonlogicing to support my points atp but yeah. Might pull off the weights later.

[DkKoba]

meh
I'm done arguing with your bs, none of what you've said rings even remotely like something coming from town, you are like the epitome of gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss here (pardon the gendered term but that's the best way I can describe your play atp)

Morelike you dread the fact that i will flip green and what i say rings true ~

[DkKoba]

why indeed- its a perfect segway into why i should be townread and you should be scumread.

mind translating this for the general public?

last time titus was town against me as scum as well as gamma, she was fooled by both of our scum playstyles.

gamma flying under the radar and being such a strong read from titus is indicative of a scum gamma but dont tell titus that

It was fake clears that game, not so much your play.

My slot wasnt "cleared "

[DkKoba]

i strongly feel that mathblade-titus-gamma contain at least 1 scum because i honestly townread the rest of the playerlist here

[DkKoba]

game just finished -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

main reason why im so skeptical of this interaction between titus/math where math is shielded by titus (?) while titus knows the very last time before this game they were town against scum!math she got pocketed to no end and manipulated to take me down with her

[DkKoba]

oh its not technically flipped yet lol

my b - saw someone not alive posting and i assumed as much... uhhh just wait like 5 hours and it should be ok to discuss

[DkKoba]

game just finished -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211

main reason why im so skeptical of this interaction between titus/math where math is shielded by titus (?) while titus knows the very last time before this game they were town against scum!math she got pocketed to no end and manipulated to take me down with her

This is actually fair and a valid criticism...to a point.

Just because I read Math wrong before, it doesn't invalidate what I am seeing. It makes any meta argument less persuasive but I'm largely not townreading Math by meta.

Second, I have been fooled by you before too which is, under your logic, grounds to be suspicious of you.

I'm tossing you several branches of logic that should tell you im town and you're intentionally swatting them aside in favor of maintaining this tunnel

[DkKoba]

i am getting cold feet on alchemist because he's pushing titus and i'm not sure scum would be pushing titus here

but he's not doing much of anything else and i'm not sure if the above is enough to offset the rest of his play

I thought the way he was recently posting showcased a towny perspective of viewing the game

[DkKoba]

oh, that was me saying "i really want to believe that titus is right about mathblade being town, but that post makes me doubt him again"

rn im more at "titus is TMIing math" but im at the point where i feel comfy eliminating 100% titus/ math together. Math seems to be genuinely approaching the game the more he speaks.

I'm very hesitant on titus because ive misread titus to no end and I'm feeling similar to when ive misread her in the past.

[lukewarm-titus-ari-gamma] is my gun to head poe with a couple there as "what if the top scumread flips town"

[DkKoba]

i am getting cold feet on alchemist because he's pushing titus and i'm not sure scum would be pushing titus here

but he's not doing much of anything else and i'm not sure if the above is enough to offset the rest of his play

I thought the way he was recently posting showcased a towny perspective of viewing the game

VOTE: lukewarm

[DkKoba]

I started efforting when Chaos was top wagon - your point is denied

[DkKoba]

lukewarm, are you trying to claim i outted this suspicion because of an omgus?

because once i take my weights off, its over. You have 1 last chance to stop pursuing me.

[DkKoba]

I didnt even say chaos was town because of the pr claim lmao it had 0% to do with my read.
Nice try tho

[DkKoba]

Hey Koba, vote Chaos

i cant betray him another time, sorry

[DkKoba]

your point is i faked a townread - rather no, i saw the mounting pressure on my townread and stepped in.

nice try again tho

[DkKoba]

that's ok. You dont have enough votes to eliminate me.

[DkKoba]

ok well it had 0 bearing on it so fuck you

[DkKoba]

if it ever did i would have mentioned it.

[DkKoba]

because youre very annoying with how confident you are vs how confident you should be on this

[DkKoba]

the inconsistency with your confidence on slots is very odd, Titus

[DkKoba]

how?

[DkKoba]

the inconsistency with your confidence on slots is very odd, Titus

Go on

nah. I'll bury you later.

[DkKoba]

its ok bc my townblock is actually pure and i don't need to constantly bring it up to validate it.

You're trying to force one in light of me townreading people within your stated PoE. Hf.

[DkKoba]

gamma - answer how im similar to townstumps and why you aren't.

[DkKoba]

because the 2 are difficult to tell apart

However I just recently finished a game against adante off site where they intentionally leaned into their shittunnel meta on me as scum and got townread by me - im not one to repeat such a mistake again.

[DkKoba]

because youre very annoying with how confident you are vs how confident you should be on this

This looks like a scum post to me x.x

Isn't Titus one of your scum reads? If you think she is scum, why do you feel this way?

No it doesnt

[DkKoba]

why the fuck do i try to shoot datisi as scum here yall are fucking scum/delusional and meta suggestd either is just as likely

[DkKoba]

gamma - answer how im similar to townstumps and why you aren't.

You’re getting agitated in response to pressure on your slot, just like how Nancy getting pushed off being low-impact made you lash out
And I can’t exactly say my plan differs from that game but there’s an explanation for it that isn’t “Gamma is scum” and I’ve brought it up multiple times now

and ive never been agitated in completed games as town?

[DkKoba]

why the fuck do i try to shoot datisi as scum here yall are fucking scum/delusional and meta suggestd either is just as likely

Anyone could suspect him as a cop.

You're so grossly uncharitable i cant believe i thought math was pocketing you vs the other way around
VOTE: titus

[DkKoba]

you have an excuse to continue your push for all my rebuttals instead of any sort of charitability while ive sat here and gave you multiple olive branches of explanation opportunity to back down and show a town mindset.

[DkKoba]

I dont care if you're town at this point I want you dead bc if you're town you need a lesson taught if you do care about winning.

[DkKoba]

@mod im voting titus right before that vc

[DkKoba]

you have an excuse to continue your push for all my rebuttals instead of any sort of charitability while ive sat here and gave you multiple olive branches of explanation opportunity to back down and show a town mindset.

You never answered my questions and the statements you have stated are demonstrated false.

??? Which ones

[DkKoba]

okay, eli5, why are they scum?

1) Umlaut's associations with Vulture
2) Vulture being opportunistic on voting Flubber
3) Koba's demeanor when asked questions is overly hostile.
4) He claimed credit for dismantling the Chaos wagon, which was proven not true.
5) He got overly angry, cocky and defensive when I voted him.
6) He alternates between how he treats me as if I am town. His perspective slips.
7) He claims I am buddying Math to serve his agenda.

1) it makes better sense when you view the gamestate as umlaut trying to set up a vulture mislim in the future by saying they are "poe" but not really
2) ??? opportunistic how
3) when has this ever been a scumtell for me?
4) I was a very very loud voice in this. You are discrediting my effort in this.
5) see answer to 3, also you duplicated 3 basically to get this
6) yes I perspective slipped that I do not fucking know how to read you and my mind changes. I am uninformed. If I am scum I play much more careful with how I treat a slot and try to be consistent because I find it hard to fake a flip flop flow.
7) how is this a reason I am scum? It is my belief. You're reaching so hard.

[DkKoba]

anyways *cracks knuckles* time to fucking finally read day 1 and 2.

[DkKoba]

pissing me off is a grave mistake.

[DkKoba]

i currently have about 8 scumleans and 3/4ths of a townread

can whoever is town here start acting like it

Sounds like a you problem.

What's the point of this reply?

yall alchemist is so fucking clear LOL


fuck yall

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Meg

@Gamma, Sorry I can't invent a good reason here. Guess I'll have to be a sheep. I guess our creativity will have to start tomorrow.

@titus why did you switch to meg over umlaut here after all the shit you talked about umlaut? why sheep suddenly?

[DkKoba]

And when EoD was approaching - you seemed very uninterested in trying to get umlaut limmed - why is that?

[DkKoba]

umlaut is very capable of distancing...

anyway, titus, what scum looks at you today and decides to pick a fight with you?

I got the gist when I saw his interactions with vulture and thought "huh this is the shit I would do as scum to set up a mislim after I die"

[DkKoba]

Titus, please explain your D1 actions regarding your push on Umlaut and the lack of it later on.

[DkKoba]

titus, a desperate scum picks a fight with anyone *but* you here. come on please can we not have this tvt shitfest.

fam if I'm down bad I just let chaos die lmao

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Meg

@Gamma, Sorry I can't invent a good reason here. Guess I'll have to be a sheep. I guess our creativity will have to start tomorrow.

@titus why did you switch to meg over umlaut here after all the shit you talked about umlaut? why sheep suddenly?

And when EoD was approaching - you seemed very uninterested in trying to get umlaut limmed - why is that?

Umlaut was off the table by that time.

And why is that?

Why did you table them?

[DkKoba]

I want to know *your* reason, no pointing fingers, YOUR thought process at the time.

[DkKoba]

VC 2.3

Umlaut (5):

ChaosOmega 1179, Datisi 1182, Gamma Emerald 1202, Titus 1203, Aristeia 1326

L-1

Chaos (3):

Alchemist21 1176, Lukewarm 1177, Umlaut 1346

not voting:

Vulture, Not_Mafia, MathBlade 1340

with 11 alive it takes 6 to destroy.

not voting:

(expired on 2021-08-19 15:22:00)

note: not voting

inch resting

[DkKoba]

titus, what's your solve again?

Chaos Vulture Alch with an outside shot of Umlaut

[DkKoba]

the way that list has 3 townies and scum as an afterthought

[DkKoba]

This is wrong for two reasons, 1. the people ending up on your wagon are for the most part the people that were on the Chaos wagon, not mine, even if they were to "revert" back to their prior vote, it wouldn't be on me. 2. I think I have made it clear I have no intention of surviving past the first few days of this game and being LHF for scum come limlo.

It does not matter, inherently, the makeup of the people voting me; if I prove myself to not be an option, the assumption is that they will revert to you as you are one of the POE options. Given that most of these people do suspect you, yes, it would be a reversion back from one scumread to another.

In fact, let's look at the VC directly before my wagon took off.There's you and Titus, and then a voter from Alchemist, a voter from you, and a voter from Chaos. Only one person who was on Chaos went on you from this, so it's wrong to suggest the entire wagon moved from Chaos to me at that point.

As for you saying you have no intention being made clear? No, you haven't, because you keep trying to reason with people and get more time for yourself and keep pushing to live.

Your actions, despite what you're trying to sell, are at odds with your words.

You are not answering the accusation. Why do you suddenly find it suspicious to act like this when you yourself said it felt meaningless earlier? Why is it suddenly a scumtell now that you are at risk? I understand yo uhave other suspiscions about me but what made you change your view on my attitude to being limmed.

Where did I say it was meaningless? Direct quote, please.

Its also that your claim doesn't make sense with the vote lineup. You claim that the votes on me and shifted onto you, which wasn't the situation at all, we both were/are very likely to be a lim today. The main thing that felt weird about the post was the sense of certainty in the accusation, for me addressing one of the most likely outcomes of today.

I've already been over this regarding the first quote. And now it's that it feels weird that I was certain about it despite... pushing you most of today? And no longer about the 'confusion'?

You're moving the goalpost with "it's also that..." when I point out how ridiculous your first claim is.

ayo even vulture agrees with me

[DkKoba]

Taking a page top before i go!

Here we go!

@ anyone off Meg's wagon

If meg really has been "scum reading luke for a while" do they really say this when they hit E-1, instead of immediately outing their concern incase the hammer is eminent?

Town meg was more worried about getting the page top before they died, then outing their pocket scum read?

I was actually going to start writiting the megapost as I checked to see you had started the flashhammer.

They even claim to have been logged on, specifically to type up the mega post when they saw the push

@ Titus, I will stop posting repeatedly, but I very much would like you to look at this very specific thing and tell me your thoughts.

imo, this is pretty damning that the "I have been scum reading luke for a while" line is a lie.

lukewarm and titus are unaligned

[DkKoba]

titus, a desperate scum picks a fight with anyone *but* you here. come on please can we not have this tvt shitfest.

Disagree. Scum cannot pick a fight with you or chaos. They can't FoS Math as they need the noise. They can't FoS anyone in the elimination pool because it's too small. Literally I am the only slot they can.

You want to stop the "T v T", find me other scum. My PoE is just that small. Convince me I am wrong on Gamma.

and what do you expect me to do as town?

[DkKoba]

I am considering moving my vote to meg, which, I

know

.

I was the one saying Chaos>Meg, and now people are moving my way, but yeah.

x.x

what's your opinion on the newer stuff that meg's posted?

Their read list in 509 578 felt made up.

The exact single line on each and every player I think is part of what makes it seem manufactured, because I feel like the average player actually has lots and lots of thoughts on some slots, but then not very many thoughts on others. So, the single line on each feels more like someone trying to manufacture a read list.

And even following that, it has taken questions for Meg to expound on things. And the way they have expounded, feels more like a conversation in abstraction then how they feel about each player they are talking about. Like, why each action could be read the way they read them in the read lists, as opposed to what they think about each player.

I'm fine to be today's mislim but I would like to discuss my analysis more in depth, especially when more people are online.

Try to curb your trigger happy hammering and not cut the day short, I have more to say but the discussion will take some time.

This line did nothing for me, and looks like just trying to buy time, and does not give me town feels

I like this post a lot, town points for Luke for efforting in his reads. The particular reasons Luke is pointing out to suspect Meg don't seem to me like like the kind of reasons scum would use to manufacture a scumread.

is this pockety or nah

i kinda wanna be able to just ignore lukewarm for the rest of the game lol

[DkKoba]

i need to dig deeper

[DkKoba]

@Ari, I'll reset Prism if Vulture flips scum.

I think it's Meg-Prism-Alc so this doesn't really do anything for me.

hmm another 0/3 read list(IMO)

[DkKoba]

if anyone's not aware, umlaut is a competent scum player. dismissing someone as his partner because he gave a medium strong townread or fos in their direction is very stupid.

i kinda think titus fits the bill as a scumpartner based on how much titus subtly avoided that wagon when it had heat and only bussed when it was inevitable.

the way she talked him up so much you'd think it was her top scumread -> but her actions display a very opposite mindset.

[DkKoba]

I also think gamma is a bit townier than I thought initially ?

but im also not so sure on townreading them.



ari is someone that also looks really bad on reread and weirdly enough prism slot looked really weird during interactions during 1 point but I think that should be addressed later because it was a really massive tinfoil

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Umlaut

VOTE: Umlaut

Why did you wait until now to vote Umlaut?

VOTE: Umlaut

Why did you wait until now to vote Umlaut?

Reasons.

what are these reasons?

[DkKoba]

@Math I genuinely think you're the target of a pocket by titus and it's becoming more and more clear based on how she has very casually been able to shoot out confident reads left and right

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Umlaut

VOTE: Umlaut

Why did you wait until now to vote Umlaut?

VOTE: Umlaut

Why did you wait until now to vote Umlaut?

Reasons.

what are these reasons?

I thought Datisi had a guilty.

Oh- So you needed a guilty to get the person you most suspected?

[DkKoba]

if anyone's not aware, umlaut is a competent scum player. dismissing someone as his partner because he gave a medium strong townread or fos in their direction is very stupid.

i kinda think titus fits the bill as a scumpartner based on how much titus subtly avoided that wagon when it had heat and only bussed when it was inevitable.

the way she talked him up so much you'd think it was her top scumread -> but her actions display a very opposite mindset.

Spoiler:

uh oh datisi is scum

[DkKoba]

You are saying I deliberately am copying Vulture?

[DkKoba]

titus, a desperate scum picks a fight with anyone *but* you here. come on please can we not have this tvt shitfest.

Disagree. Scum cannot pick a fight with you or chaos. They can't FoS Math as they need the noise. They can't FoS anyone in the elimination pool because it's too small. Literally I am the only slot they can.

You want to stop the "T v T", find me other scum. My PoE is just that small. Convince me I am wrong on Gamma.

and what do you expect me to do as town?

Actually answer questions rather than OMGUS. Be cooperative. Stop flailing as if you're caught.

Really? Can you show me a towngame we both had where this was present?

[DkKoba]

if anyone's not aware, umlaut is a competent scum player. dismissing someone as his partner because he gave a medium strong townread or fos in their direction is very stupid.

i kinda think titus fits the bill as a scumpartner based on how much titus subtly avoided that wagon when it had heat and only bussed when it was inevitable.

the way she talked him up so much you'd think it was her top scumread -> but her actions display a very opposite mindset.

Spoiler:

uh oh datisi is scum

koba pls stop

go back to talking about gamma, you were smarter

it was a joke bc ydrasse posted that very same gif as scum twice LOL

[DkKoba]

hi i havent read shit

someone tell me if this gamestate is cool or shit

We're stagnant. Your slot has done virtually nothing. If we could get a read on you, that would be great.

P.S. Gamma is very very very likely town.

VOTE: alchemist

part of me wants to force omega to claim so we can move on from this nonsense and flip actual scum, but that's probably what they want and i doubt they'll stop. whoever is town out of luke/alch/math, start acting like it.

@titus, are you still sure math is town here?

i'm supposed to be resting but this game is a thing i guess.

ChaosOmega claiming would not change my thoughts.

My thoughts are you locktown. Gamma near locktown. Math probably town

We would have one scum in Ari Gamma Koba, likely not Gamma.
One in Luke Math Alch, likely not Math
Umlaut off.

Gamma is highly likely not scum. No one is pushing him. Math is miselim bait. Ari being obvtown is absurd.

Gamma, what's your solve?

gamma howling

Why? I see nothing wrong with his posting.

So Datisi, do we vote Gamma, Alch, or do I keep on Koba?

excuse you?

[DkKoba]

titus, i mindmelded with umlaut at the start. stop doing that.

are you sure gamma is still town by mech?

It's suggested but not lock. I can't verify without running up Gamma.

i am this close to suggesting we do exactly that, because while i was washing my hair earlier i suddenly had this tinfoil theory, and hm.

I am willing to work with you on this, but in certain suspicious circumstances I may ask you to back off.

if that i think is right, then hopefully there should be no issue. but if what i think is right, it doesn't necessarily make gamma scum. but we can't know right now... i hate mafia.

pedit: gamma if we're feeling spicy, alch if we're being boring, we definitely don't vote koba.

though i'd first wanna hear koba's thoughts on gamma. i have a certain degree of confidence in koba!town, and that's a read i wanna take into account.

I'm actually more doubtful when reading gamma's ISO holistically - and while i see *possible teams* i don't see a holistic reason to think they are not just lost town

[DkKoba]

titus, a desperate scum picks a fight with anyone *but* you here. come on please can we not have this tvt shitfest.

Disagree. Scum cannot pick a fight with you or chaos. They can't FoS Math as they need the noise. They can't FoS anyone in the elimination pool because it's too small. Literally I am the only slot they can.

You want to stop the "T v T", find me other scum. My PoE is just that small. Convince me I am wrong on Gamma.

and what do you expect me to do as town?

Actually answer questions rather than OMGUS. Be cooperative. Stop flailing as if you're caught.

Really? Can you show me a towngame we both had where this was present?

hey @titus come on

[DkKoba]

also you thinking that is a scumtell is peak hilarity - because you yourself were refusing to answer my questions and were being extremely dodgy in booneytoonz 15 dark fairy.

did you flip scum in that game?

[DkKoba]

its kinda like -

before i could be very confident on gamma alignment based on his playstyle. but recently he went thru a scum evolution and improved a ton. so everything he says gives me paranoia and makes me want to scumread him but as a whole he doesn't feel scum if that makes sense.

I'm gonna just verify something regarding D2 and gamma's activity around that but I think he can be mostly off the table today.

[DkKoba]

@Koba, I am not playing meta or spamming the thread with you. Get concise. I'm not demotivating people.

@Datisi, Our PoEs are really small. Let's prove if I am right.

VOTE: Gamma

ahahahhaa

no - you just don't want to address my point because it dissolves the reasoning you might have to actually FOS me. I'm bringing up points that expose your true motivation and force you into a corner where you must either choose to ignore/deflect(which you chose) or answer truthfully and lose your shitpush.

Now who's refusing to answer questions and getting hostile? I find that when people are scum they tend to project what they themselves have as a scumtell to others because its the easiest thing to fake. Perhaps I am accurate here in that assessment that this is a scumtell of yours that you let slip and now have displayed check.

[DkKoba]

i may have been bluffing a bit to get gamma tilted

[DkKoba]

I also had not actually read the game in its entirety atp

[DkKoba]

me, remembering there is prob a traitor potentially and i need to prob readjust how im reading the game bc of that LOL

[DkKoba]

@Koba, I am not playing meta or spamming the thread with you. Get concise. I'm not demotivating people.

@Datisi, Our PoEs are really small. Let's prove if I am right.

VOTE: Gamma

ahahahhaa

no - you just don't want to address my point because it dissolves the reasoning you might have to actually FOS me. I'm bringing up points that expose your true motivation and force you into a corner where you must either choose to ignore/deflect(which you chose) or answer truthfully and lose your shitpush.

Now who's refusing to answer questions and getting hostile? I find that when people are scum they tend to project what they themselves have as a scumtell to others because its the easiest thing to fake. Perhaps I am accurate here in that assessment that this is a scumtell of yours that you let slip and now have displayed check.

Incorrect. You aren't posting in good faith. You know that I don't do meta. Second, you're spamming so many questions to make it difficult to respond and keep the other players interested. You care more about a gotcha and spam than you do the answers.

I have actually posted in incredibly good faith and given you many olive branches in trying to figure out your alignment.

eat crow

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Asteria

everything comes back to this.

d1 gamma feels unaligned with umlaut and looks to have their own original thoughts and such. scum gamma i remember being more or less unoriginal in thought.

[DkKoba]

weren't you constantly posting how he's howling? where'd that go?

i may have been bluffing a bit to get gamma tilted

Read: They know Gamma's town but they don't want to prove it. Hence the about face.

VOTE: Koba

"quick, find a way to backpedal the opportunism!"

[DkKoba]

koba, why does gamma feel unaligned? i ctrl+f'ed "umlaut" in his iso, there's like, one weak scumread mention that's conditional on like two townflips

VOTE: Umlaut

gamma, why the vote here?

like I said before, I am pretty clouded in the sense that my reading style for old-gamma would declare him town and the new gamma would have this in his scumrange.


i don't explicitly townread him though so I am mainly reading *around* him atp.

[DkKoba]

i was disstracted and forgot to pagetop !!!!!!!

VC 1.13

MegAzumarill (6):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Vulture 456, Lukewarm 905, MathBlade 991, Alchemist21 1130

D-1

Vulture (3):

MegAzumarill 579, Gamma Emerald 902, T3 916

ChaosOmega (2):

Titus 1000, Prism 1120

not voting:

Umlaut 742, ChaosOmega 1001

with 13 alive it takes 7 to destroy.

deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:55:00)

the day had >4 IRL days left before deadline - why did you hammer this Titus?

[DkKoba]

Close to My Heart: Datisi

Beneath the Sky: Lukewarm, Umlaut, Seanzie

Sea of Dreams: Gamma Emerald, Titus, T3

Waves upon the Shore: ChaosOmega, Meg

The Long Winding Road: Alchemist, Flubber, Vulture

Datisi is the hero of our story, he is so handsome and cute and I would be so sad if he were scum, call it a wish of the heart, I think he is good. I could wax poetic for days about how amazing he is but I don't think you would like to read that? Besides it might embarrass him and I wouldn't want that.

mindmelded with Lukewarm on 50, I quite like his method of thinking, it feels natural.

Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.

Seanzie gives me nice vibes, I can see where his questions are going and he feels fairly real to me.


Gamma/Titus/T3 I'm not quite as comfortable with but they've all done independently townish things that remind me of their towngames.


Chaos/Meg need to post more.


Alchemist feels too careful, it's like you say things with too many words and I think you don't have pure intentions, you remind me of my ex-boyfriend who would start talking quickly whenever he was trying to lie to me.

Flubber feels kind of forced to me, I don't think he is genuine, there's a certain awkwardness.

Vulture's one liners feel quite surface level and I think it's possible he slipped T3's alignment in 82

Thanks for birthday wishes, I had a busy but good day. I love what y'all have done with the Flubber wagon.

Datisi probably town. If anything I'm mildly paranoid about being buddied but that's not a behavior I would really expect from scum!Datisi toward me anyway (though my experience with scum!Datisi is limited so I'm really just guessing there).

T3... is T3, can't townread anything he's done but I more or less agree with Datisi's 93.

I preliminarily like Vulture for town but there's not enough there for a strong read.

Aristeia somwhat town too, just on tone and style; I like her coming in with an early readlist in 185, I like that she had immediate answers when asked to explain those reads, and honestly I don't see scum ever choosing to explain their top townread as "they're town because I would be sad if they're not."

Still thinking/reading about everyone else.

[DkKoba]

i was disstracted and forgot to pagetop !!!!!!!

VC 1.13

MegAzumarill (6):

Datisi 286, Aristeia 327, Vulture 456, Lukewarm 905, MathBlade 991, Alchemist21 1130

D-1

Vulture (3):

MegAzumarill 579, Gamma Emerald 902, T3 916

ChaosOmega (2):

Titus 1000, Prism 1120

not voting:

Umlaut 742, ChaosOmega 1001

with 13 alive it takes 7 to destroy.

deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 18:55:00)

the day had >4 IRL days left before deadline - why did you hammer this Titus?

The day was over. No other wagon was taking. That's pretty clear from my ISO.

Did you scumread Meg?

[DkKoba]

I am just confirming the facts

[DkKoba]

You are saying I deliberately am copying Vulture?

It’s entirely possible, in my book

the near conf town thinks you are scum.


the person who was thunderdoming is now entertaining that you are scum -

so I implore you, tread with MUCH caution around me now. I have the power to shift the tides well against you and I saw glimpses of good in your ISO, so let's see you wake up and start with some good faith towards me here with the new info in front of you, eh?

[DkKoba]

I also think gamma is a bit townier than I thought initially ?

but im also not so sure on townreading them.

Honestly this feels even more like bullshit than your initial SR on me

this is literally because I have new respect for your scum game. I'm not taking criticism from you on it because you and I know its the truth you have improved there.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Asteria

everything comes back to this.

d1 gamma feels unaligned with umlaut and looks to have their own original thoughts and such. scum gamma i remember being more or less unoriginal in thought.

I know for a fact Titus is the real deal. Math may not be reading her signs but I certainly was. She’s locktown for me, done deal.

then why did she 180 you here

[DkKoba]

You are saying I deliberately am copying Vulture?

It’s entirely possible, in my book

the near conf town thinks you are scum.


the person who was thunderdoming is now entertaining that you are scum -

so I implore you, tread with MUCH caution around me now. I have the power to shift the tides well against you and I saw glimpses of good in your ISO, so let's see you wake up and start with some good faith towards me here with the new info in front of you, eh?

I know I’m town. I know Titus is town. You’ve been going against us this entire time, either one or both. If you don’t want to burn in hellfire tonight, you’ll step the fuck off.

How do you figure titus is town? I have never had real success in reading her in the past - what is it that you see that is distinct between her town/scum games?

[DkKoba]

Gamma, can you just claim your night action to prove your alignment? I'm bored with this.

Fine. I’m a gated rolecop, and N1 I checked Umlaut and got no result. During D2 I caught a crumb from Titus that informed me her role was Jailkeeper and she targeted me. The reason I’ve been trying to dodge claiming is in order to claim my information effectively, I had to out Titus.
VOTE: DkKoba
Let’s burn to witch who pushed us into this situation.

What is the crumb?

[DkKoba]

Titus, and you think you stopped a nightkill by saving the targeted? Why does scum try to target Gamma in your view?

[DkKoba]

What result did you get n2?

Second, that's not what I actually expected you to claim but ok.

If Gamma gets one verifiable result (that's not scum), he becomes locktown. No questions asked.

I say this because scum likely does shoot me if they rolecopped me rather than shoot the cop.

This also assumes scum have a rolecop. Why?

Setups tend to favor town repeatedly recently. (This is my opinion)

I'd venture the opposite - there are a lot more scumsided setups.

[DkKoba]

I'd wait for any protective cc's to pop up if any at all - but I'm not sure why gamma needs to claim here.


this all seems weird and how would you expect me to be privy to this secret info



titus being an uncc jailkeeper however may be clearing for her but she's been known to be very good at scum mechanics and fake clearing - so I implore if she's still alive in limlo she should be not trusted on claim alone and should be revisited.


however her claim alongside what I remember earlier of her being certain of being nightkilled tracks and likely means its town titus which, embarassingly, means I do lose respect for titus for adding a game where she misreads me to the list after she did so embarassingly in our very last game - something I felt she might have actually considered rectifying as town.

[DkKoba]

koba, i believe you also haven't answered why scum!you doesn't shoot me?

Since it is confirmed you were shot at - I would go for someone loud and with WIM like a town mathblade.

my favored kill choices are those who are driving the game.

also with my claim of not having read the game - and the fact my postings track with that being true -> I would push to kill chaos and not you, datisi, based on the vote count at EoD.

[DkKoba]

pee pee poo poo I was right pre claims that ari wagon is best

[DkKoba]

Titus, and you think you stopped a nightkill by saving the targeted? Why does scum try to target Gamma in your view?

yall btw i townslipped bc i thought atp that titus targeted gamma LMAO

[DkKoba]

pee pee poo poo I was right pre claims that ari wagon is best

You had Ari in your townblock.

I also did not have good or strong reasons to have them as a townread.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: alch

if i dismantled a scum wagon just for this mess, i'm gonna be sad.

@koba, that alch towncase whenever you're ready.

I’d very much rather we vote out the person who necessitated this course of action, aka DkKoba

cry