mini normal 2226; who won

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Hi!

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Why should I make any kind of post toward Seanzie? I read the thread, I saw Flubber joining a convenient wagon for disingenuous reasons, I voted him.

This post is really terrible. It feels like scum taking an RVS interaction way too seriously.

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fear not, i am here!

so, as i was skimming the game earlier, flubber's 26 immediately struck me as awful. i thought it was obvious that seanzie disliked something alchemist wrote (and isn't saying what it is) rather than voting him purely because he "posted more". so i was pleasantly surprised to see umlaut's 29. i don't find the rest of flubber's posts to be better either.

VOTE: flubber

@flubber, what do you find ridiculous about 34?

another person that i kind of dislike right now is alchemist. something feels very scummy-nitpicky about his 39/41/43. like, it feels wrong that alch ia shading umlaut for not pressing seanzie while going for flubber just because umlaut didn't find coyness townie. umlaut found flubber's push to be suspicious so he went there, why would town!umlaut automatically have to be evaluating the pushee as well?

reading 36 and 42 was a mindmeld. by the laws of the mindmeld theory, i must now locktown umlaut, right? realistically, probably a bit too early, but i do have pretty townie pings from him so far.

I also hate this post.

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you're free to elaborate.

The weird mindmeld dancing around on umlaut.

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"dancing around"

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I think I understand what T3 meant actually. The lightheartness, perhaps, translates a bit strangely.

You put it better than I could.

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while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.

Let me have bad reads in peace.

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Flubber's thing appeared to be reacting to something that wasn't totally RVS>

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VOTE: Umlaut

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if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?

VOTE: t3

I already responded to this. Also, I think Titus's 'mindmeld' is towny.

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if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?

Oh wait NVM I didn't respond to this.

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while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.

Let me have bad reads in peace.

This post is in a weird place between “I know it’s a joke” and “dude wtf” for me. I haven’t liked any of T3’s posts so far.

VOTE: T3

My post was like 50% a joke and also 50% this is also the "scummy I know how I play excuse"

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while it's far from the first time i get some suspicion my way for my tone of speaking, i do kind of expect better from someone who's already played a few games with me.

Let me have bad reads in peace.

if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?

+1 to this.

You make a good point, I was probably being somewhat hyprocritical.

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How does one man who joins so many mafia games never learn.

Who/what is this in reference to?

Probably me?

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if flubber was reacting to something that wasn't rvs, then flubber's own post can't have been rvs either, right? so why are you suspecting umlaut for taking flubber's "rvs" interaction too seriously?

Oh wait NVM I didn't respond to this.

So uhh.... are you going to?

He's right.

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hate to be annoying, but... why are you voting umlaut then? >_>

Oh, that. UNVOTE:

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if that were almost anyone else, i'd start screaming for their head because they're obviously making it up as they go, but gut tells me this is not *completely* out of t3's townrange.

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I don't think Flubber taking it seriously is AI.

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Nah i was hard confbiasing.

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A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.

More votes on Flub plz

so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrong

Now

this

is scummy.
VOTE: Flubber

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A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.

More votes on Flub plz

so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrong

What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?

That's a 400iq strat that people don't do.

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What about a neighborizer and a traitor?

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nope

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lmao I thought that was pagetop.

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Datisis feels town to me.

Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.

I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.

VOTE: Aristeia

I think that's part of the alt gimmick.

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I don't think Alchemist making friends is AI. It might be a mood/playstyle thing.

@mod you misspelled sunday

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Got me there.

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i was planning on asking aristeia about her reads before alchemist beat me to it, and i would be lying if i said i'm not slightly worried that her praise of me is meant to get me to like her when i shouldn't. what posts of mine gave you that idea of me and why?

also, i don't have a *lot* of experience with t3, but my impression is that scum!him is everything but careful - can you elaborate on what you mean there?

Town me kind of just ignores scumreads on me.

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hmm. aristeia, you're not wrong. i can be okay with that explanation for now. don't let me stop you from voting.

t3, i kinda... don't care for self-meta from the person i suspect? at least not such broad and vague self-meta. are you happy with your vote on flubber? why/why not?

Not really happy, he's not a confident scumread.

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Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.

I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.

looks like I'm mindmelding w/ titus

#OverusedTell

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gamma, use your words please

If I have something substantial on that subject I will

So I think I can elaborate what I was thinking
I’m pretty sure T3 actually

would

blurt stuff out randomly as scum

lmao what

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Chaos says things in a weirdly formal manner so I don't hae any pings on him either way.

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Before I post my reasons for TRing Aristeia, I have a bit of an odd question for Datisi:
Would you rather be a one-shot bulletproof or one-shot vigilante?

Oh, I know what's going on.

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Wait
confusion
ignore that

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I shouldn't say.

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I shouldn't say.

How so? The more you evade, the more I’ll be convinced of my own picture of the situation, and trust me, it wouldn’t be a good one for you.

*confusion*
It defeats the purpose.

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So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

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._.

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So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

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So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

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After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.

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UGHHH
I TYPED A WALL ON IT BUT MY INTERNET CRASHED

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After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.

VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.

istg i had a wall on this and it was my first wall i've ever posted and my internet crashed as i was submitting it

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So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

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oh come on, my scumgame is not *that* bad!!

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I am comfortable locktowning Datisi for 2 main reasons. First, his post frequency and length. Second, his reactions and frequency of reactions to other players. I am using 3 recent games as reference points. MBOS 12, Datisi was mafia, C9++, Datisi was town, and TTTT, Datisi was town.

1. Post frequency and length. Scum!Datisi frequently walls. His posts are on average 4+ sentences. His posts are also very detailed and contains a lot of repeating the same point over and over again, with different words but essentially the same this. MBOS 12 was a prime example of this. Meanwhile in TTTT and C9++ his posts are much shorter, usually 1-3 lines. From this we can clearly conclude that Datisi is town this game.

2. Reactions. Scum!Datisi and Town!Datisi have extremely different reactions to other player's posts. Scum!Datisi will usually wall in response to just one post addressing him. His tone will also feel less light-hearted when pressured. There is also the frequency Datisi reacts to other player's posts, and how often he quotes them. Scum!Datisi will usually quote people when responding, meanwhile town!Datisi quotes people much less. From a sample of Datisi's first 40 posts in MBOS he quoted other players 28 times. In his first 40 in TTTT he quoted other players

10 times

. This game, Datisi quoted people just 4 times in his first 40 posts.

Short version of the wall without specific post links.

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2213 I was on a troll alt -> hard to meta me by.

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2213 I was on a troll alt -> bad game to meta me by.

EBWOP

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So I think what I thought was going on is not going on and is something completely different that doesn't involve this game at all.

You thought it had importance once, now let the rest of us decide.

It will become clear later.

How much longer is later exactly?

After some flips.

I don’t like this answer. You were wrong about what you saw but you still won’t explain what you were thinking this Day phase?

VOTE: T3

jBasically, I either am a role that Gamma mentioned, or am a role that implies one of the roles Gamma mentioned, or I know by some mechanism through other players breadcrumbing or me being informed at the start. I thought Gamma was breadcrumbing or something of the sort, so I wanted to give him indication I was aware of what he was talking about. I then flipped to the next page and found a completely different explanation than what I was expecting.
k?

That’s the first thing you said I could actually believe. Calling attention to it the way you did isn’t really helpful to anyone but scum though.

It wasn't that big of a stir, but Gamma and you brought attention to it.

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T3, do you think your conclusions should be this strong when you looked at exactly 1 scum game?

Yes. While I did only look at one scumgame this is very recent and there is a pretty extreme difference.

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Also, scum Datisi asks more questions.

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A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.

More votes on Flub plz

so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrong

Combing through Flubber's ISO I found this. I have a hard time believing Flubber thought Seanzie was actually pushing Alch.

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After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.

VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.

T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his meta

What game was that?

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After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.

VOTE: T3
You should know not to try this around me
The vote only comes off if a satisfactory explanation is given as to why and how this happened.

T3 literally metaed the fuck out of a lurker and I coasted on that to get town to a 3p lylo where I blew it but still I trust his meta

What game was that?

Deco, your dying post on D2 before being nightkilled was Wheme was meta town.

uh
wat?
Deco I was limmed Day 3 andWheme wasn't in the game.

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vla for 6 days, something happened rl

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vla for 6 days, something happened rl

Ignore this, I'll have internet access.

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Hello MethBlade!

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I don't see any reason why not to E-1 Flubber.

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I don't see any reason why not to E-1 Flubber.

VOTE: T3

Policy til I am caught up.

Threatening to E-1 when a replacement comes in and denying town a chance to read me is scummy AF

You're reading way too deep into this.

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A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.

More votes on Flub plz

so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrong

What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?

That's a 400iq strat that people don't do.

…
After literally just losing to scum me where I did that strategy repeatedly.
Nope. People don’t do it. Not at all. Well thought out post. /sarcasm

I can’t tell if T3 is so bad he’s town or not.

I'd just never heard of that lol

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...

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mine

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VOTE: megazumarill

honestly if they have the extra vote over chaos it's worth consolidating here

E-2

????

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Wish I had more time today but something came up. Here goes my first batch of analysis. I probably will refrain from analysing Mathblade/seanzie slot for now. Hopefully, I can get the rest done today.

Alchemist: lots of posts, presses people for their reasonings, very reactionary, null read
Aristeia: posts little content, but still shows they are following the game closely in 184, strong townread
ChaosOmega: keeps posts long, fairly thoroughly analyses conversations, doesn’t actively push his reads out, weak townread
Datisi: tends to latch onto one thing about a player that they find suspicious and stick by it for long stretches, townread,
Flubber: doesn’t provide a lot of reads and doesn’t appear to be actively contributing, scumread
Gamma: reasonings seem to be understandable and seem to be thinking out their actions, townread

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

okay then

- why is alchemist null? you listed things that seem like it should be ai (pressing for reasoning/being reactionary)? if they're not ai, why even bother to list them?
- why is "following the game closely" worthy of a *strong townread*? and what about her readslist made you so sure that it's genuine?
- why am i a townread for latching onto things for a long amount of time?
- what makes you believe that luke/omega is t/t?
- do you have exp with t3? why are they "slight townread"?

i also had a "provide examples" for pretty much every single one of your reads, but that got repetitive very quickly...

Newbie mentioning ongoing games be like

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Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Really? I have more posts than a good chunk of the game and you can’t formulate any sort of read on me?

I'm in the same boat as meg tbh

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"they" are my reads on you. I see them falling on either side of the scum/town line right now, which is why I am leaving you as unsure on my reads list until I make up my mind.

Why do you find it so important I have a defined read on you? Seems like a little of a weird thing to ask of me. I would love to hear why you seem to want it so much.

I'll get to you Datisis in a few minutes.

Because you can give a quantifiable read on someone with less posts and interactions and can’t give a read on me despite me interacting with a decent portion of the game. It feels inauthentic to me.

The way you phrase it is also passive “I am a replacement so no read” vs actively engaging with content.

A scumread using ridiculous logic because it was Sunday and cats were meowing would be better than that.

Agreed.

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Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Really? I have more posts than a good chunk of the game and you can’t formulate any sort of read on me?

I'm in the same boat as meg tbh

Okay then ask me what you need to get a read on me. What helps you sort me?

I don't know.
I guess I'll metadive you.

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Scum!MathBlade just giga tryhards lol

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Town!MathBlade post less and is more passive.

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Intent to hammer

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Un-intent to hammer

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Why did you want to hammer to begin with T3?

I was watching a movie but after pacing for a week excited to play maybe I'll just start reading now, 50/50

Because she's a nullscum read and I didn't see why not.

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Then she pointed out the deadline.

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Yeah.

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Aristeia like actually makes sense.

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intent to haer meg

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Meg is scummy af now that I see what ari is doing.

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Or I agree with ari's case.

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intent to haer meg

Can you for fuck’s sake stop threatening hammer or E-1 when I am trying to sort people? It’s pissing me off.

I have to head out for work now but just *glares*

unintent

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I have no communism what to make for Ari.

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My autocorrect is cracked.

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Prism is towny, mostly gut though.
VOTE: chaos

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Prism has cleansed herself of Flubbers sins.

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I don’t know.

The reason T3 is in the town block is because Star Wars.
If Star Wars didn’t happen then we’d be looking at a different game.

I know this is a shit answer but I think it’s the best I can do.

confusion

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I'm super disengaged but I think Prism v Ari is tvt.

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VOTE: vult
I'll sheep.

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I'm super disengaged but I think Prism v Ari is tvt.

VOTE: vult
I'll sheep.

Who are you sheeping here?

Neither Prism nor Ari are voting for vulture atm.

Pedos voting for Vulture.

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Time to disable autocorrect.

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...t3, what was 921 even supposed to say?

People voting for Vulture.

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I'm super disengaged but I think Prism v Ari is tvt.

VOTE: vult
I'll sheep.

Who are you sheeping here?

Neither Prism nor Ari are voting for vulture atm.

???? voting for Vulture.

What was that supposed to say?

Autocorrect. People.

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I think Prism's read of Vulture is accurate regardless of Prism's alignment.

GREAT

SO MAYBE

ACTUALLY GO TO BAT FOR IT, OR LET ME WITHOUT CRYING

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST POOKY

First off they’re probably not Pooky

Second off stop outing alts if you think that’s who they are

How confident are Meg/Alch scum to you Ari?

Pooky was also my first guess. Similar username and avatar to another Pooky alt plus online at the same time as Pooky.

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why did i die lol

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i had terrible reads but at least i baited the nightkill