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Hello all.
I am gonna be vla for the next couple of days, but should then be pretty active following.
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I get a lukewarm pun in about 50% of my games, and I cringe a little every timeIn post 12, Seanzie wrote:VOTE: Alchemist21 no townie would ever subject the rest of town to this pun.
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ah, a second one on page 1. This might be a first lolIn post 16, Titus wrote:
I feel lukewarm about this push.In post 12, Seanzie wrote:VOTE: Alchemist21 no townie would ever subject the rest of town to this pun.
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I think Seanzie's caginess is more likely to come from town then from scum.
I also think that Flubber's reaction to the caginess seems bad . I don't think that anyone would read Seanzie's post and actually think they were saying that posting=bad, and it was very obvious what he was actually saying.
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I think that that might actually be part of the problem tbhIn post 82, Vulture wrote:How does one man who joins so many mafia games never learn.
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Pretty sure you play outside the norm of where most players do, so you might not be a good bench mark lolIn post 127, Titus wrote:
I'd do it.In post 115, T3 wrote:
That's a 400iq strat that people don't do.In post 114, Alchemist21 wrote:
What do you think of my idea that Seanzie may have been testing to see who would try defending/pocketing me?In post 112, Flubbernugget wrote:
so I don't think seanzie is literally scumreading someone for posting more. I think they're trying to manufacture a push and doing it poorly. so the only thing they could shade alchemist for was "posting". seems like I'm right too, because in elaborating, they're now saying things that are just...wrongIn post 36, Umlaut wrote:A non-ridiculous reading is "there is something in Alchemist's posts that Seanzie didn't like and he's being coy about what exactly" and not "posting = bad," and I have a hard time believing the latter is really what you thought he meant even for a second.
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Datisis feels town to me.
Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.
I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.
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Doesn't mean I am willing to let them just avoid having any reads of their ownIn post 172, T3 wrote:I think that's part of the alt gimmick.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Any reads you have.In post 180, Aristeia wrote:In post 173, Lukewarm wrote:Doesn't mean I am willing to let them just avoid having any reads of their own
what would you like to talk about?
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I like Aristeia's response and read list.
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Am back from my VLA, and will probably give the game a reread later tonight
atm, I am roughtly at Datisi, Umlaut, Gamma, Aristeia feeling like town
Flubber felt like scum, then wormed back to null again, but then was not a fan of the recent interaction with Titus. Similar to what Alchemist said, it felt like a pocket attempt coming from flubber
Titus is a hard player to read, and want to give her a closer look
T3 is T3
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What does this mean?In post 165, Seanzie wrote:I could do a trustfall without much trouble, but I wouldn't call them townie.
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My bad, you should have been a tier of your own. I have mixed feelings about you, with some posts pinging me as scummy and some pinging me as townie. So null, but you distinctly have a presence in the thread, unlike the ones I was referring to there.In post 251, Alchemist21 wrote:
You double checked and still missed me.In post 250, Lukewarm wrote:Had to look at the playerlist to see who I was missingI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Finished my reread.
Just some general thoughts wrt the
Post 34 from Seanzie made perfect sense to me, so it was strange to see Flubber's reaction to it. Seeing all of these posts in a row from Alch pinged me the same way
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This is a fairly reasonable explanation for that series of posts form Alch though, and until that explanation hit the thread, seanzie suspicions over them were also reasonable imo
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MegAzumarill's one and only post pings me a bit when I looked back at the iso's of the people I had not thoughts on but willing to give them more time in thread post VLAI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Chaos also looks worse on a closer look. As of now he has commented on T3, and Flubber, and thats it.
And even with the two of them, he has been stand offish of taking stances. Despite having interacted with T3, I have no idea if he thinks that T3 is townie or scummy? So that leaves Chaos's only read in thread to be flubber.
And, with Flubber, he also held back...
post 71, joins the Flubber wagon with no comment on it what so ever.
Post 101, asks Seanzie for thoughts on the flubber interaction, but still has not voiced any thoughts on it themselves
It is not until 227 that he actually appears to be adding to the case, and that is after I have moved my vote, datsi has said they were starting to get town pings, and Aristeia removed her vote.
This feels like scum, but also never scum with Flubber, so if he does flip scum, flubber is probably lock town imo
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Basically, posts 71 and 101 feel like scum trying to help the wagon pass while also not looking like they are the one leading the push. Asking Seanzie's opinion also felt like a manipulative way to get an extra vote on the wagon.
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Me: I see something I found suspicious about Flubber, so I vote him and explain my suspicions
Flubber: Explains his thought process behind the things that I found suspicious
Me: I moved my vote
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Me: I see something that found suspicious about Aristeia, so I vote her and explain my suspicions
Aristeia: Responds to the thing that I found suspicious, and provides a read lsit
Me: I move my vote
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Me: I see somethings Chaos has done that I find suspicious, so I vote him and explain my suspicions
Chaos:
~Vote: Luke
~actually I never did anything wrong, and and address the reasons Luke stated to scum read me and
~actually, wasn't Luke being suspicious earlier, when he did this other interaction with Aristeia
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NoIn post 261, ChaosOmega wrote: Is my vote not a comment on what I think of the wagon?
Would you call scum "describing a reason why they scum read the person they are currently voting" as desperate? I didn't, and wouldn't. That is a strange interpretation of my words.If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?
What does not feel natural to you? I said she did not have reads, and that was worrying to me. She gave a read list, and provided reasonings when asked.The jump on and off of Aristeia doesn't feel natural to me. Did you scumread her when you voted her in 171?
See, this is what I find strange about your response. One of the things that I said was bothering me was that you don't have reads out thereAs for other reads I have, Umlaut, Seanzie, Vulture, and Datisi for town, something about Gamma is pinging me, but I can't really put it into words, so I'm ignoring it for now, still think Flubber is scum, the push on Seanzie and his post about mindmelding w/ Titus reads phony.
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And you see me make that point. Apparently realize that you should put some reads out out, but then also don't realize that I had a point, and therefore valid reason to pressure you for reads?
There seems to me to be a bit of cognitive dissonance between the omgus voting me reaction (which when coming from town, I find normally comes from a place of feeling like the reasons the person is scum reading you are non-genuine), while also addressing my biggest concern about you in this way.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Dats is my number 1 town read
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I deserve thisIn post 291, Datisi wrote:warmluke
But yeah, I thought something similar with Meg already on my watch list (258)
Not to be the like 4th person to say mind meld this game or anything, but it is feeling like most of your posts are exactly what I am thinking.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I was a little worried that if I tried any harder, I would be stepping on Aristeia's toesIn post 306, Datisi wrote:come on luke you can put a bit more effort into itI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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So, I am taking a different approach, so I can pocket you both at the same timeIn post 307, Lukewarm wrote:
I was a little worried that if I tried any harder, I would be stepping on Aristeia's toesIn post 306, Datisi wrote:come on luke you can put a bit more effort into itI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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A part of it is that a lot of your posts align with my own thought process.In post 312, Datisi wrote:ok i'm done bullshitting
luke, i do want you to elaborate on that townread bc i just searched "dat" in your iso and all i saw was mysterious "mindmeld" and i know you're supposed to be smart n stuff so like
But you also appear to be actively hunting, and using your vote for pressure. So far, you have voted all of Flubber, T3, Chaos, Gamma, and Meg, and each time the vote made sense and appeared to have purpose, and none really felt like the kind of votes I expect scum to make.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Like, you did not parking your vote on the biggest wagon, and were actually the first person to make comments that lead to the Flubber wagon losing steam.In post 315, Lukewarm wrote:none really felt like the kind of votes I expect scum to make.
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This was my original reason I thought your first post was scummy.In post 329, MegAzumarill wrote:Titus is my RVS vote, I don't think they have done much either way yet. I don't see a reason to change it until I SR someone else.
This is post 142, RVS was over.In post 142, MegAzumarill wrote:Never fear, the cavalry has arrived toruinsave the day, by hanging all thetowniesmafia!
Sorry for taking a while to post but as you can see by my snazzy banner, I am on V/LA until sunday.
No strong reads yet, although I feel the drama with flubber is being taken pretty harshly to what resulted from mostly RVS discussion.
VOTE: Titus
In this post, you made it clear that you read up to this point, closely enough to have opinions on the "drama with flubber," but then you still decided to drop an RVS vote
If anything, your thoughts on the flubber incident aligned with Titus, so it is extra strange to see that be the person you ended up voting.
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Are you trying to spark discussion on the people you need to be trying to sort?In post 332, MegAzumarill wrote:I am a firm believer in having someone voted at all times (except limlo and similar scenarios) because it can generate discussion (which it already has)
I don't think that this has sparked any discussion about Titus, and only discussion about your own slot.
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The town read thing I think is more that Scum!T3 just does not give his partners town reads. In the 4 or so t3 scum games I have looked at, the best his partners have ever gotten was null I believe.In post 372, Datisi wrote:still shelfing this as Town For Effort for now because idk why scum!t3 does this. i feel like i've heard somewhere that scum!t3 likes to do townreads on townies but this feels a bit unnecessary. idk.
But yeah, I cannot imagine scum!T3 going to this much effort to make a town read, when he could just as easily just call you a gut town read, or agree with my reasons that I just gave, or come up with something else from this game. Digging into 3 of your past games and counting the number of times you quote people in each seems like a lot of wasted effort for scum!T3.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I would not be surprised to see scum doing a meta dive to justify a scum read, but this is for a day 1 town read lolIn post 374, Alchemist21 wrote:
I agree with you, scum very rarely metadive anyone because they have no need to and don’t feel like spending the energy reading other games.In post 372, Datisi wrote:still shelfing this as Town For Effort for now because idk why scum!t3 does this. i feel like i've heard somewhere that scum!t3 likes to do townreads on townies but this feels a bit unnecessary. idk.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I don't know what you are saying here, can you rephrase?In post 393, Titus wrote:
All the people above, please suggest my tier 2 townies tyiaIn post 388, Titus wrote:
I'm ok withIn post 335, T3 wrote:After a meta skim on Datisi I'm comfortable locktowning him.
Datisti Gamma T3 Lukewarm Flubber all being town.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I see. This is about where I am at (sperate lines are sorted, but each line is not sorted)In post 395, Titus wrote:The names I have listed are my locktowns.
I want y'all to fill out the no lim pool.
Then we go to town and axe murder someone.
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I have a strong preference to a Chaos > Meg elim day 1.
I think that they are both about equally scummy, but Meg having actually no opinions in thread means that we don't get any associatives from a Meg flip.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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I think that we can make Chaos happen.In post 399, Titus wrote:
Relatable opinion. If there was a choice between those two, I'd see your point. It's Flubber v Meg though and a scum vote is better than a town one.In post 398, Lukewarm wrote:I have a strong preference to a Chaos > Meg elim day 1.
I think that they are both about equally scummy, but Meg having actually no opinions in thread means that we don't get any associatives from a Meg flip.
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I must say that the fact that we are all losing to the mod is a bit sad... smh
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I did not say that we had to use the whole time. I just said that I am not inclined to compromise yet.In post 403, Titus wrote:Who said we must use all the time? Limit crumb potential and spam.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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The thing I said was that you appeared to be trying to be on wagon without appearing to be leading the push.In post 423, ChaosOmega wrote:
Wrong, it means I support it. Better luck next time.In post 283, Lukewarm wrote:
NoIn post 261, ChaosOmega wrote: Is my vote not a comment on what I think of the wagon?
Ie, scum trying to help a miselim happen without being the person people look at when the elim flips town.
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Hope everything is okay
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I am becoming worried that this game is stagnating :/I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Maybe.
Yeah, it is quiet, but also a large number of players seem to still have their votes parked on a wagon from like page 4, none of seem to be actively trying to pressure there anymore.
And then another chunk of the players are parked on the VLA player.I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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Thank you tris, for that well timed mod post lolI have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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So, I was just like checking to see if Math has had any games with T3, or if I was going to have to explain that T3 is T3.
Found one, was looking to see how T3 T3 was that game -- he was very T3 btw
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So, like, yeah Mathblade has seen T3 do things like this.
But, also, I saw Toog's response to the situation, and found it quite funny
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Maybe my last post came across the wrong way.In post 454, MathBlade wrote:In the game you linked I was scum and did a skim just enough to seem Townie so as to get footing wet.
Soon as T3 claimed informed role cop he was getting shot n2 almost certainly. I reactioned a few times to confirm T3 rolecop then bam dead. I legit did not care what T3 was gonna say because he was gonna be dead.
In this one I am town and do not put up with shit like that. I want a chance to read and find scum.
Like I said, I started with "do I need to explain to Math who T3 is" in order to explain that T3 can still be town, despite making posts like that. Because T3 is town this game.
Then grabbed the quotes to be like "look Math, here is T3 posting around someone close to getting eliminated, and this was definitely town T3"
Got hard sidetracked by laughing at the Toog post.
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I still prefer the Chaos flip, and feel like all of Dats, Ari, and Titus have voiced a scum read there, and honestly unsure why they all decided to jump to Meg over Chaos. But, I think that Meg also is looking like a scum flip, so not the end of the world I guess.In post 459, MathBlade wrote:My intent is more that independent of T3’s alignment he shouldn’t do it. That’s what policy means. It’s a vote that is policy until I catch up and I want to be able to do so.
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There is a Prism here
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Prism, can you elaborate on your scum read on me?
My experience with you reading me before, was to be so sure that I was town that you were willing to "eat Hectic's oldest athletic shoe boiled in a pot of grape Kool-Aid" if I flipped scum.
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Unsure what part of this results in a scum read tbhIn post 627, Prism wrote:Realtime interaction is lacking a bit+clearly improvised at points rather than something he's been chewing on only to finally be given voice.
Is "clearly chewing on" something, for it to "only to finally be given voice" something that you expect from town me?I have a GTKAS now! - Come ask me questions!
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What do you not buy?
Now I am confused. If the scummy thing that I was improvising, or that I was holding back? I thought you were implying that I usually hold back, which I don't think that I do, and that is why I questioned it
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That is definitely not what happened ....In post 647, Prism wrote:(I can easily see your ISO before my replace-in going either way; I am significantly more intrigued by why it took me voting you to get you to show up)
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Yes, hello. Am puppy wanting to interact with youIn post 645, Prism wrote:My vote came in seeing that you were posting elsewhere, and you have been akin to a puppy in your eagerness to interact with certain players you respect. Perhaps I didn't earn yours in Forest Fire?
In post 643, Lukewarm wrote:Prism, can you elaborate on your scum read on me?
My experience with you reading me before, was to be so sure that I was town that you were willing to "eat Hectic's oldest athletic shoe boiled in a pot of grape Kool-Aid" if I flipped scum.
So, it is surprising this game to see you show up and just be wrong smh
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