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How serious are you right now?In post 44, Gamma Emerald wrote:Welp my vote is serious now- Aristeia
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I'm quite bad at getting early reads tbh, they're nothing that I'd be very excited about.In post 47, Alchemist21 wrote:What are your reads looking like so far?- Aristeia
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would you like me to join your wagon?In post 50, Lukewarm wrote:I think Seanzie's caginess is more likely to come from town then from scum.
I also think that Flubber's reaction to the caginess seems bad . I don't think that anyone would read Seanzie's post and actually think they were saying that posting=bad, and it was very obvious what he was actually saying.
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"welp"
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"my vote is serious now"
feel like dissonance to me.
so I'm asking for a clarification on how serious you feel about this.- Aristeia
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well if you say soIn post 164, Datisi wrote:i actually got some townie pings from his posting upon his return. my mind completely skipped over 12 at first, so upon that elaboration, i can see town!flubber going mad at someone "lying" about their push.
opening his iso, don't think he looks *great* exactly, talking only about seanzie and nothing else isn't a great look, which is why i'm fine with him being on y-1 to see what happens and i'm not losing my mind over a possible quickhammer.
UNVOTE: Flubber
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In post 171, Lukewarm wrote:Datisis feels town to me.
Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.
I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.
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In post 173, Lukewarm wrote:Doesn't mean I am willing to let them just avoid having any reads of their own
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Datisi is the hero of our story, he is so handsome and cute and I would be so sad if he were scum, call it a wish of the heart, I think he is good. I could wax poetic for days about how amazing he is but I don't think you would like to read that? Besides it might embarrass him and I wouldn't want that.
mindmelded with Lukewarm on 50, I quite like his method of thinking, it feels natural.
Umlaut feels like he has purpose and direction that is going somewhere - he feels quite motivated to catch bad guys.
Seanzie gives me nice vibes, I can see where his questions are going and he feels fairly real to me.
Gamma/Titus/T3 I'm not quite as comfortable with but they've all done independently townish things that remind me of their towngames.
Chaos/Meg need to post more.
Alchemist feels too careful, it's like you say things with too many words and I think you don't have pure intentions, you remind me of my ex-boyfriend who would start talking quickly whenever he was trying to lie to me.
Flubber feels kind of forced to me, I don't think he is genuine, there's a certain awkwardness.
Vulture's one liners feel quite surface level and I think it's possible he slipped T3's alignment in 82- Aristeia
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^In post 54, Datisi wrote:fear not, i am here!- Aristeia
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He enters the thread and comments on thing he believes to be most suspicious, he doesn't waste time with commenting on things he does not care about.In post 204, Titus wrote:I absolutely disagree with this. Please provide evidence.
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He votes for Lukewarm and then,
His first two lines are explain-y, as in "this is what I'm actually trying to do", the point he's making is that he did nothing wrong.
I find that tends to come from people who are scum and disagree with the manner in which they get caught.
Because if Lukewarm is scum, why would he even bother explaining to Lukewarm what he's actually trying to do?
"If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?"
This line is just wifom.
He's also looking at Lukewarm jumping off me, but if he actually believes Flubber to be scum, he should be much more interested in how Lukewarm started the Flubber wagon and then jumped off of it rather than the interaction with me.- Aristeia
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I don't think being deferential towards people whom you hold a high opinion of is a bad thing.In post 500, MathBlade wrote:Looks like you’re playing the game through Datisi versus having your own reads.
Mafia games tend to be more ego-driven, I like to be carried by people I trust.
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In post 505, MathBlade wrote:I think it’s horrible because if you’re scum and Datisi is bad boosting a bad Townie gets a lot of mileage and if you’re town we don’t get a chance to read you and your thoughts. Mafia is not a game to be done on the sidelines.
I think I've been fairly transparent about my thoughts on the game so far.
I like to support Datisi because he's a brilliant player and one that I townread.
I've played before with him and he instantly caught a scum and helped put the town on its way to winning quite handily.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87222
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In post 664, MathBlade wrote:I don’t want an opinion on something specific. I want you to show me you have reads and are scum/town hunting however you do it. If you’re town I want you to convince me that my read of you is wrong by being deep. If you showing your thoughts means pushing someone do that. If it means a read wall do that. Show me you have reads don’t tell me you do and ask me how to get out of the proverbial dog house.
Right now my solve is Prism - Meg - Alchemist21.
I don't like the way Prism entered the thread or the way Flubber voted for Meg.
I don't think it makes sense as town!prism, it feels like scum!prism entered, saw the top two wagons were scum!prism + scum!meg and decided to try to powerwolf and take control of the thread.
Specifically this entry post:
In post 613, Prism wrote:UNVOTE:
Given 610 and Meg's relative inexperience-why is this slot even on the table?
I will be reading over the game tomorrow and perhaps can answer my own question then.
610 was posted 9 minutes before Prism's post.
It feels like Prism is stating that it is unthinkable that we are even considering Meg as an elimination option due to 610.
This is silly because
1) 610 was just posted - nobody even has had a chance to respond to it.
2) Prism has just replaced in and has no idea why we are voting Meg nor a real read on her.
There is an edge here that feels like an agenda to me. I don't think Town!Prism would enter the thread with this much certainty.- Aristeia
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why do it the easy way if the hard way gets you townread and allows you better positioning to take thread control?In post 667, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like there are way easier people to try and pivot the thread onto
Why not go after Chaos? Or Vulture? Or Umlaut? Or Titus? Or you?
Those all seem like easier people to pivot to then me, right?
you are making an assumption about Prism wanting to do things the easy way.- Aristeia
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Prism is very good at scum so yesIn post 672, Lukewarm wrote:In your theory, do you think that her push on me was supposed to work?
Or are you saying that she scum read me to get a town read, to then pivot to someone else?- Aristeia
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In post 682, Prism wrote:
There are multiple reasons to pursue a snapread,: First, replacements are incredibly annoying as scum an my entrance immediately puts pressure to justify things that otherwise get left for free, and this should be capitalized on immediately. Second, it being very fast does not mean it is not a real read, and these snapreads have been increasingly useful to me over the last calendar year even if the initial accuracy varies by caliber of player.In post 666, Aristeia wrote:[[Other line about my entrance not making sense]
610 was posted 9 minutes before Prism's post.
It feels like Prism is stating that it is unthinkable that we are even considering Meg as an elimination option due to 610.
This is silly because
1) 610 was just posted - nobody even has had a chance to respond to it.
2) Prism has just replaced in and has no idea why we are voting Meg nor a real read on her.
There is an edge here that feels like an agenda to me. I don't think Town!Prism would enter the thread with this much certainty.
The more urgent concern was T3 threatening a hammer on a townread.
When you unvote it becomes e-2 so the hammer is not an issue.
You can simply ask us to hold up for 2-3 days in order to give you time to reread the thread
Inmediately snapreading off one post the consensus lead wagon and using 610/megs relative inexperience to say she shouldnt be even on the table reads as very manipulative to me esp if you haven't even read the game.- Aristeia
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In post 688, Prism wrote:Bit about me not taking the easy way is a way off, I am very laid back/minimal effort as scum if I can get away with it but the caveat always applies.
I don't think there is anything else to respond to about me. My strategy would depend heavily on who my specific partners are. I am good at establishing thread control as scum. I am also very intentional, verbose, and demanding as town.
I think your town game is more marked by questioning and doubt.
You've been burned in the past by derailing a runaway bandwagon on scum before and you'd need significantly more evidence than a one post snap-read to try to do it here.
You demand the best from yourself and your team.
I don't think you/meg can get away with playing passively here, if meg flips red it will look very suspicious why she didn't try at all to vote/push an alternative, it casts suspicion onto the Altwagon which is you.
I think you went with the method of attack that had the best odds of resetting the narrative and taking control of the thread. I don't believe town!you does that here with no information coming in cold to a game.- Aristeia
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This is a technical response to my question that is designed to sound reasonable by expanding out the response window.In post 689, Prism wrote:This completely ignores my more aggressive tendencies. I can & do slow down when I want to but there are times even as town when you should be direct, vocal, and fast.
I agree there are times you must be direct, vocal, and fast.
I'm saying it doesn't make sense fortown you to do that in this instanceand it feels to me as the action of someone with an informed agenda.- Aristeia
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In post 692, Prism wrote:I absolutely have been burned by bad reads and my own aggressiveness, yet a cursory glance of my recent meta will reveal I am more aggressive than ever. I am wrong and I am wrong like clockwork, and I may be on Meg as well.
Casting my play this game as not marked by questioning & doubt is willfully blind. Go revisit and think how I am leveraging the snapreads/ISOs.
I'm not casting your play this game as not marked by questioning/doubt.
I am casing your entrance posts into this game as being unnaturally confident based off very limited information.
It also happens to be the method I believe scum!you would enter this thread in with a partner in danger of being eliminated.- Aristeia
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Let's talk about 610 then.
I don't believe it's particularly difficult for a player to post something like:
"I'm willing to be mis-elimmed, please give me some time to post.
There's 6 days left in the game so let's use them all.
It's good to do this even if I'm scum because I'll give you associatives."
This is a kind of LAMIST posting at death's door that is designed to be quite reasonable.
Why shouldn't the town use every day possible?
Why shouldn't we give more time for new opinions to change?
I find myself agreeing with everything she says.
And yet;
Why would a scum player not post something equivalent to try to slow down their own wagon?
Their goal is survival, their enemy is momentum. They want the wagon to slow, atrophy with time and disinterest, people to townread them and go away.
Towns can quickly lose interest on a long day one, wagons fall away and move from time to time with no reason at all.
I haven't seen anything in this post that doesn't make sense for scum!her to do but you've decided off this post alone that she shouldn't even be on the table.
In a game that you've just replaced into and not even read.
It doesn't feel like Prism walking in blind to a mafia game with open eyes to me.- Aristeia
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This is just self!meta.In post 702, Prism wrote:It also might be worth noting that as scum I would have 100% have already read the entire game before replace-in. I do not post without knowing exactly what is going on and why.
I think scum you relishes the oppurtunity to crush towns.
The worse the starting position the more delicious the turnaround.
Also with T3 threatening intent to hammer and Meg being like all "you can kill me it's not a problem" there doesn't really exist the premium of time for you to take a full re-read.
You have to make a move that hits the game state hard like a meteor in order to take thread control, reshape the narrative and get things moving for your side again.- Aristeia
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If you had been playing all along and had context/progression on her slot I would agree that it absolutely makes sense for you to townread her here.In post 706, Prism wrote:The behavior/approach itself is what I found town even if there's scum incentive. I would not townread more experienced players for the same behavior.
I will grab you backlinks of me playing exactly this way as town if you insist.
However you are replacing in cold.
The replacement was announced just a few minutes prior.
It's impossible for you to actually have done the work necessary and I don't think Town!You does a derail with not even doing the work because town!you is a perfectionist at these games to the point of unhealthy obssession.- Aristeia
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I don't see how your play from games where you are town would serve as a counterfactual for what I'm saying about scum!you's play in a game state where your scum partner is in imminent danger.In post 710, Prism wrote:Okay. There is nothing for me to respond here to as town. I can backlink excerpts from Perpetual, Forest Fire, and Trust Tell later when I am not on my phone, but I suspect this will not be resolved until I am flipped one way or another.
A proper counter-example would be scum!you replacing into a game where a partner is about to get eliminated on d1 with hammer intent already on the table and your slot having voted the player in question in an awkward way.
That's a fairly narrow condition set so I kind of doubt you would have a relevant example to cite.
I don't expect you to come up with a counter example, it would be unfair of me to put that burden on you.
I am simply laying out the relevant reasons for scum!you not to do a re-read but be forced to immediately enter thread and fight. I am doing this to counter your self!meta that scum!you would not come in cold.- Aristeia
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In post 719, MathBlade wrote:Assume the opposite and Prism is scum:
This means any scum voter doesn’t want credit for a bus.
This means any town voter isn’t confident enough in their scumread to want credit but just has their vote lurking there.
If Prism/Meg are both scum then nobody would want to be credited with a Prism wagon because Meg flips red here and whoever is pushing Prism altwagon looks shady as long as Prism is assumed to be the scum counterwagon.- Aristeia
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Look at this game state if Flubber/Meg/RandomThird scum is the solve.
Meg doesn't want to push Flubber because she thinks she messed up and doesn't want to push her teammate to die instead, she feels like it's ok for her to go down day one and wishes her team luck while posting generally lamisty/stalling items in the thread.
Flubber reluctantly votes Meg and goes VLA 14 days lol?
RandoThirdScum could be anywhere.
Now which scum in this game state would want their vote on Flubber?
RandoThirdScum doesn't want to vote Flubber, Meg has already decided its ok for her to die, if she flips the counterwagon is the first place the town will look and nobody wants to be "leading that"
Flubber isn't going to vote himself.
Meg has decided she's the weakest link and a newb and ok to go down on D1.- Aristeia
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In post 862, MathBlade wrote:They came up with a horrible decision to try to confirm themselves and randomly have an artifact to scum.
The artifact wasn't even important to the game and it was a decent thing to talk about and form reads around early in the game.
The fact that Prism gave it to Bork!scum ultimately didn't really affect the game state very much at all, it certainly didn't help Bork survive.
Also that decision came during pre-game where nobody had even done anything, Prism's decision here is being made in a game state that had already settled down and people had formed their initial reads.- Aristeia
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YesIn post 867, MathBlade wrote:Have you played with me before?
I ask you this not to hunt you but to know how to explain something to you.- Aristeia
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In post 877, MathBlade wrote:I get you think Prism is scum, but no one else is interacting here. It’s been pages of both of you back and forth hereSpoiler: You don't have to read this, I don't care anymore- Aristeia
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In post 883, Titus wrote:@Ari, I'll reset Prism if Vulture flips scum.
I think it's Meg-Prism-Alc so this doesn't really do anything for me.- Aristeia
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I've been told to shut up by Mathblade/Others and let the thread breath so I'm fine twiddling my thumbs over here.In post 939, Prism wrote:Aristeia if you're that worried about me pacing the game/controlling the thread you fucking try instead.
I've already stated what I believe the solution to be and people have stopped listening to me.
I care more about everyone having "fun" than maximizing my probability of winning. - Aristeia
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