mini normal 2226; datisi notes

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ego thank you i will

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ok pregame thoughts.

IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTE;
There are exactly three players in this game that have access to private topics.

when i saw this, i thought "oh, there's probably a traffic analyst/pt cop in game" and then i roll traffic analyst lol ecks dee.

the fact that the game requires 10 confirms instead of 11 makes me think this is a 9v4 game (traitor) which would amybe fit with the gimmick?, but also i think i've seen mastina say somewhere that 9v4 normals are a plague to society.

here's where i would write out what the above means wrt possible fake positives and negatives but it's 2am i'm too tired i'll think about it tomorrow, brain cannot logic right now - just remember that mastina does not give info arbitrarily. there is a reason we know that.

ok second order of business
do i crumb
how do i crumb
idk

also i gotta be lowkey so i don't eat the nightkill
idk how to purposefully be lowkey without also appearing scummy af i should learn that

these are bad pregame thoughts i am disappointed in myself

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all my tpr games are utter shite i am scared

then again all my vt games are utter shite too lolololol idk how to play town

or scum

i'm bad at this game

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okay i am rested i had a coffee, let's think.

at least two mafia must be in a pt together, even if there's a traitor. so that means there is no way there's a town neighbour (since they would immediately know that their neighbour must be scum) and there's no masons. meaning i don't have to worry about false positives*. and since the number of the players in pts is *exactly* three, that means there is no traitor. (unless 9v4, but uh probably not.) which means that i don't have to worry about false negatives, but i need to remember that once two scum are dead, my role is useless**.

* while the most obvious not-necessarily-mafia roles that return a positive to me are masons and neighbours, we shall not forget the mailman. while i *guess* the public information was meant to be used as "ay yo traffic analyst, you're basically a lazy cop", then why isn't my role a lazy cop...? actually, a neighbourizer doesn't have access to a private topic right now either? hm.

** there is a possibility that the mafia team is {mafia -something-, mafia neighbour, mafia traitor neighbour}, and if the mafia neighbour dies, then both scum return a "cannot communicate" result. this however, feels like... shitty game design. (not that i'm the one to talk, but.)

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There are exactly three players in this game that have access to private topics.

actually, doesn't hurt to ask.

@mod

, does this confirm that there are exactly three players in this game that will ever have access to private topics, or just that there's exactly three players *right now* that have access to them?

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IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTE;
There are exactly three players in this game that have access to private topics.

This has been on my mind a bit, but have mods recently started putting info like this in their rulesets? This was an oddly specific detail to include and if there’s a neighborhood it means there’s a guaranteed scum in there.

I had the sense to check on it, it's only valid for the start of the game

+scum/pr

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i currently have like 8 scumleans and half a townread, that's not good

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me: i need to be a bit more lowkey, i don't want to be utr so i don't get shot
me when i see one (1) person not listing me as their top townread: aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA

why am i like this

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if luca was here he would be voting meg with me

i think that post triggered the "low posting scum trying to appear to care about the game" tell very strongly

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oh no i am Vibing with luke

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shit fuck shit no stop it s t o p i t

i'm gonna die i'm gonna so fucking die again what am i doing

maybe i should like lurk for the next day and a half? scumtisi does that?? i think???

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fuuuuuuuck

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ik i just outed the idea that titus/flubber are s/s, but having cooled off from that, meg/flubber have potential. namely, the age old iconeum tell - two main wagons, both being scummy but refusing to vote one another, are ++likely scum/scum.

now, i want to see where meg tries to go before outing this theory. but if they also try to dogpile omega and keep avoiding flubber... i will be raising eyebrows.

also, checking mathblade will likely be a good idea. he's a god at scum or something like that. but i'll think about this a bit more after nightfall. in such a playerlist, where i don't have a confident read on almost anyone, policy checking whoever is really good at scum might be not a horrible idea. even though it feels... icky? oh well.

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me: enjoying a more lowkey game for once
math and prism: helo

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i opened the game again because i'm an idiot and now i have a headache

that vt claim makes me think meg is somewhat townie, but also i don't think anything good comes from me jumping in now and trying to derail

i should sleep

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luke's sudden panic and wanting to get meg killed vaguely reminds me of scum!me's panic at eod1 and eod2 in 2195 - but this would need further checking to see if momentum was shifting away from meg. also maybe to check if luke's ever done something like this as town before.

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welp, it's there. time to see what happens i have a vague feeling this is town and that the team is something very stupid, but i hope i'm wrong.

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picking who to check is gonna be pain either way, i'm not good at playing investigatives.

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actually crumbing it the next day is gonna be the actually difficult part. difficult-er.

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bah. okay, at least i look worse now. will try to properly reread in the morning.

@mod, do you accept action submissions in this thread?

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ok uh busy day and i have done zero rereading because i was either napping or outside

i will do this Tomorrow

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check umlaut

this is a placeholder in case Something happens and i don't end up being able to submit in time

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okay. am i gonna reread the whole game. probably not. but let's see where we stand on Things.

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luke's sudden panic and wanting to get meg killed vaguely reminds me of scum!me's panic at eod1 and eod2 in 2195 - but this would need further checking to see if momentum was shifting away from meg. also maybe to check if luke's ever done something like this as town before.

first order of business - what the fuck was happening when luke started screaming for meg's head?

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okay, so i don't think this situation is comparable to what happened in 2195. there wasn't a growing wagon on anyone. i agree that luke's behaviour was... weird, but i don't think it's worth checking him tonight.

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T3

MegAzumarill

Vulture*
Alchemist21
Gamma Emerald
Umlaut

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MathBlade
Aristeia
Titus
Lukewarm
ChaosOmega*
Prism

okay, so who will we be checking.
the problem is that very few slots immediately jump out at me as "these are obvious one way or another so we shouldn't check them". like, almost everyone looks shit in some way... let's cross out t3 and lukewarm for the time being.

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i *want* to say that we shouldn't check titus, because that one game (jungle oligarchy?) where i correctly townread her despite everyone telling me otherwise, and she vaguely reminds me of that game... isn't there a rule to always cop check titus n1 though? lol

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part of me is thinking that we should check in the Power Players like titus/math/prism, because those are likely to successfully drive this town off of a cliff. but i have a some sorta townlean on all three of them. but if they're scum, that's even worse and oooooohhhhhhh fucking hell

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the more i think about it, the more i wanna check aristeia. but i have a feeling i will get yelled at if i check aristeia.

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ugh, do i check someone who is barely in the game and has a higher chance of flipping red, or do we check someone who has a lower chance of flipping red but has more associates. decisions, decisions.

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i'm too stupid for this, tris why did you give me a cop role pm

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actually, let's look at the flubber wagon

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i have learned nothing

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honestly, after all that i kinda still want to check umlaut.

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i guess my only problem is that last game i had a similar read on umalut and he was a town pr, and if i get a false positive on something like a mailman i will yeet myself out my window because holy fuck

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vulture would be a not bad check, because i feel like the game will be on them tomorrow, but if they're green i need to force the yeet elsewhere and my god that is gonna be exhuasting

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alternatively alchemist but eeeeeehhhhhhhhh

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bruh

ok at least mor etime i guess

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are you fucking kidding me, n_m

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Umlaut can currently privately communicate.

aaaaaah i forgot about this game shiiiiitttt i was hoping for a clear i had an idea how to crumb it and everything

pls don't be mailman pls don't be neighbourize(r/d) or mailman

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AAAAAAAHHHHHH I GET SO ANXIOUS WHEN I HAVE A GUILTY

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throwback to the last time i had a guilty, where i stayed up for 20 hours refreshing the game like mad, *then* claimed the guilty, then ended up locktowning the same scum i had a guilty on because he pulled a fancy fakeclaim out of his ass and i almost singlehandedly made the whole town lose like that

good times

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actually that was second-to-last time i think? my last guilty was as a cop in that pyp game, but that one was much less exciting

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here's the problem. scum!umlaut doesn't effort if he doesn't have to. if he flips red here, and he's been lazy as fuck... fuuuck, we have a deepwolf, don't we.

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mom come pick me up i'm scared

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i can play an uninformed game as town

i can play an informed game as scum

but when i need to switch from one to the other because i gave a hit on someone (and i cannot claim it immediately), my brain just *degenerates*

;_; aaaaaaaagh

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you did that just for the pagetop didn't you

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DOES EVERYONE HAVE A GUILTY ON UMLAUT IN THIS TOWN LMAO

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we are all investigatives with a guilty on umlaut on this blessed day

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between titus asking if anything happened to me, voting umlaut after being obviously suspicious of vulture the day before, making it seem like she's sheeping gamma, and calling me obvtown... i feel like she knows what's up. tracker, maybe? tracked me to umlaut?

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my anxiety is actually through the roof right now because holy fuck what if it's a mailman ahahahahahah

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Oh, I am.

I'm a VT.

IS THAT SO?

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i should not be engaging i should not be fucKING ENGAGING

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agh i should keep my mouth shut i should keep my goddamn mouth shut but noooooooooo

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I wish you got my crumbs, but oh well bro.

Looks like I'll have to secure a piece of art rather than a gem this time. I think I'll have to draw this piece of art from memory.

HMMMMMMMMM

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also so i don't forget - i had a dream i was reading this game, and i noticed how umlaut went inactive around the time seanzie repped out, and how that is partner indicative for math

i will have to check if the time line fits later

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the timeline kinda fits. however, i also found this, and

like how much "this is why the other posters don't ping me" do u want before it turns into thread clog

you've explained why other people don't ping you or what your read on someone (not named seanzie or umlaut) is exactly... zero times.

i know absolutely nothing about your thoughts other than "seanzie lied" and "umlaut is chainsawing"

, and even with those, i'm really skepitcal you can genuinely lockscum someone that fast with that reasoning. the aggression, confidence, and anti-survivalism will only get you so far.

holy shit if math is scum ahahaha

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quick skim of seanzie's other games, there 3 of them, all 3 town, all 3 finished normally. now i don't wanna be making assumptions based on flaking, the the other isos look... more decent? but maybe that's because they're longer lol shrug idk

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ugh, i feel like i need to actually reread to see if vulture was ever in any real danger. i know i checked umlaut partly because "lazy scumfuck if t/t wagons", but uhhh.

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i wonder if this is math figuring out i have a guilty and trying to fakeshade me for the umlaut scumflip, or math genuinely thinking that i'm more scummy if umlaut flips red. either case, not really gonna argue with him.

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aaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAGH CAN WE PLEASE JUST FUCKING KILL HIM

seriously i'm gonna have a stroke i think my blood pressure jumps every time he posts anything because i have such an urge to YELL at him but i still need to pretend like there's a chance i don't die tonight

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now i'm recalling the early d2 of 2157. i think i started acting so weird before claiming the guilty that i ended up going from universal townread to almost everyone scumreading me within like 14 hours

and then when i was like "i tracked him to the kill" everyone was like "ohhh yeah makes sense actually"

and then a̷u̷g̷u̷s̶t̵ 2̶̳̀0̸̻̫̈2̴̧͋̈0̴̗̚ m̵̬̔̇͂i̸̡̠͖͌̒̒n̷̪̱̈́̀̀͜i̶̻̅ n̶͉̻͓̕ȯ̷̤̪̝̟͛̈́r̷̨͉̰̉̏͒̔͜m̷̦̖̈́̋̂͝a̴̱̋̃l̶̘̾͌̅̎ 2̵̬͍̩̟͔́̾̌̅͗ͅ1̵̫͚̆̑̿͗̄̔5̷̲̠̤͉͂̏͒7̷͚̥͖̠͈͐ i̵̗̾̀̏͗͗̇͗̅n̴̨̬͎̮̻̦̾͝c̸̨̗̈̂͛̊̅̋̀į̴̲̳̘͙̽̓̆̈ḓ̷̪̭̩̃̇ͅe̶̯̖̠̩̐̋̾͌͑͘ͅń̴̢̛̺̦̝̪̣̆̿̀͑͝͝t̷̖͔̹̩̞̥͗̽͜

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i spent like 30 minutes drawing this garbage so:

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oh fucking hell i misspelled umlaut's name in the meme

don't do memes while drunk, kids

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so i'm starting to think math has figured out there's a guilty by me, which is why he's like "no gaiz umlaut and datisi can totally be scum together lol" which like hm. if he's mafia who's figured it out and is pretending he didn't, he kills me tonight. by that logic, he's a bad check...? because even if he's scum, he's just going to kill me?

ugh. i have no idea who could be scum after umlaut. lukewarm?? i'm still decently worried about there being a deepwolf.

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Finding other likely scum and sometimes you can bury info if done well. Especially with a certain someone screaming “OMG info here” every three seconds.

aaaah shit

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this is getting better and better

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i seriously might scan koba because i am running out of ideas

a possibly useful data point - umlaut's partner was in danger on d1 in 2201. maybe comparing that to the wagon on vulture this game, to see at what point he jumped in and whether the "umlaut was feeling chill while a vulture wagon was happening" has any merit? maybe not a horrible idea. someone has to be scum goddammit...

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this is mine

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To be fair, my plan is to steal art and replace it with something I'm just remembering. Good thing there's likely no cop to catch me.

Let's hammer Umlaut.

OKAY FINE I GET YOU GET IT STOP IT

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ythan pls gib flip so i can be in agony over the fact that my pr status is probably obvious as fuck and that i am going to die like the idiot that i am and that the town will lose because there are deepwolves present

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choosing a target tonight is going to be pain, and i probably don't live anyway... uuuuuuuuugh

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actually no, the info about the possible neighbourizer existing who already was in a pt at daystart means there's a possible traitor which in turn means that my role ain't worth shit now if that's the case. which would be... not too horrible of a scenario, actually? since i feel like i will eat shit tonight. but that kinda gotcha doesn't really sound like mastina's style of game design.

oh, i feel like i've seen her say somewhere that she hates traitors, in a post game... of umlaut?? the two mafia ascetics game i think???? will have to check this at some point of n2

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...mafia neoghbour. holy shit if my tinfoil about that convoluted setup was right.

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I, personally, do not like traitors as a role, and they are pretty hard to balance and even harder to maintain the integrity of being fun in the generated setup (because they are, inherently, a role that reduces the amount of fun for at least one faction, possibly two if the town has to witch hunt when they see the traitor).

uuuuuuugh

does this mean she would nwver design a game with a traitor though??? i don't think we can 100% conclude that.

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ok let's brainstorm.

(1) mafia neighbour, mafia goon, mafia traitor neighbour
(2) 2x mafia neighbour + mafia goon/neighbour
(3) 2x mafia neighbour, mafia traitor + (town/mafia traitor) neighbourizer

we know that when only one person in a pt, i receive a negative. with that in mind...

(1) means my role is now utterly useless because of course i hit the one scum that shuts down my ability to see jack fucking shit.

(2) this world lets me keep the ability to guilty scum, but it makes my innocents worthless since i don't know if it's this or (1).

(3) ugh. this makes it very limited to what and how many scum i can hit, but at least i can hunt for the neighbourizer. who then gets confirmed as neighbourizer, and nothing else, but at least we'd know there's a traitor.

fucking hell why. i wouldn't mind dying tonight i guess. this feels like a mess and more likely than not my results will be utterly useless now. there are probably scenarios i'm missing, too.

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i want to look at this game at least a bit before making my choice, but to make sure i have at least something submitted:

check alchemist

not that i have any faith in getting a useful result, but. you never know.

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uuuuuuugh i don't feel like rereading this game. later. i have until like 5am. there's time.

mastina what have you done

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oops it's almost 3 am with like 3 hours to deadline and i have done nothing

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yknow what alch is like not a bad check i guess lol idk i'm tired

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we got an extension and i again did not read shit because trip to the er wooo

anyway, in case i don't get fucking murdered -

v/la 12-36 hours

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hm... jailkeeper?

why the fucc would you waste that on me lmao i am an idiot

oh well. guess i'm alive.

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We just stole a nightkill with a remembered masterpiece! Awesome!

ohh, she could be a jailkeeper.

maybe she's a joat? who knows.

in any case, kinda glad i didn't pour too much effort into choosing my target x_x

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TITUS WHAT THE FUCK

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jesus fuck i have no clue what i'm saying what the fuck am i doing

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yes i totally thought chaos had a guilty on umlaut ahaha that is totally why i was playing like i was the one with a guilty ehehe

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it's likely a very bad idea to be throwing chaos under the bus here when it's somehat decent odds his power role is stronger than mine, but he's still in the poe and i doubt his claim would raise him into ic status, so probably not the worst idea to get him killed by scum

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imagine this game if i scanned mathblade on n1. ugh. who could've known.

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hold up. sanity check. titus saw gamma visit me on n1? and then i got shot on n2? is it just me, or should titus really not be clearing gamma here?

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Ok still a couple pages behind but if Gamma is a rolecop what sort of investigative role would Chaos have? What’s the realistic chance of 2 Town TIs?

uh. do i like. say something lol

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Dumb question: Assume Chaos had a guilty on Umlaut?

Explain how two things that can fire that can get guilties on scum?

That’s like moderator no no.

Oh I see you beat me to that thought

*there's three, actually meme*

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actually yeah what the fuck is this game how many power roles

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bruh.

well then. one maybe positive, with that many claims, i think it's likely to be enough confusion that i get left alone.

however, three TIs, all of which are able to get guilties, plus a jailkeeper... hmm...

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check mathblade

i am so gonna fucking get yelled at for doing this. maybe i'll switch to aristeia. MAYBE.

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MathBlade cannot currently privately communicate.

do we treat this as a clear

the question of our time

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game getting spicy though. and there's still allegedly three investigatives. hm hm hm.

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getting spicier by the fucking second. though the "only 1 scum has a gun" probably means my results aren't worth shit anymore.

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MENALQUE WAS RIGHT

DISREGARD ALL REASON IF DATISI HAS A DREAM

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also so i don't forget - i had a dream i was reading this game, and i noticed how umlaut went inactive around the time seanzie repped out, and how that is partner indicative for math

i will have to check if the time line fits later

you can come back and be like "i had a dream i was reading the game and umlaut went inactive around the time math repped in and that's scum!indicative for math"

and i will go

"ok, math yeet it is then"

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oh yeah

check n_m

fast night

i'm probably a glorified checker now anyway so whatever.

god, this game if i had checked math on n1 like i planned.

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ugh

check chaos

let's not potentially throw, even though i have no idea what's this good for anymore.

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this is good to release