Kerset's Large Normal Review, August 2021

[Isis]

Oh I shouldn't have opened this yet. Gypyx post something so this gets marked unread

[Isis]

I think the smell test says this amount of town and mafia power is balanced, but vengeful ascetic feels like a troll with this setup of roles. Using the day's elimination to kill someone who the nightplay confirmed is resistant to nightplay effects shouldn't be punished.

Splitting the role is probably fine? Since both are passive it wouldn't impact the tally for the informed. There's other stuff you could do also.

[Isis]

Gypyx, "random" roles are like.. good. Roles that are more arbitrary are harder to guess in setup spec and allow the game's play to more frequently bend towards which players in the rand turn out to be successful in the dayplay rather than which players land the protagonist or antagonist roles of more scripted setups. I've consistently seen player feedback be more likely to be negative the stronger a designer was committed to a setup having a specific conceit and there's reasons that makes sense.

[Isis]

I would pass this with the ascetic vengeful split and no other changes. Idk if you want to do something else instead

[Isis]

Oh I misunderstood the informed ability. I thought "active town power roles" excluded roles that do not act at night. Maybe change the setup to the way I misread it to fix that issue? Lol

[Isis]

You are right and I am wrong! Mtg had influenced me, in that game's mechanics vengeful wouldn't be an "activated ability" it'd be a "triggered ability". Mtg has so much overlap with mafia playerbase that Ascetic role comes directly from mtg so I don't feel self centered mentioning that personal influence. Does not make me correct though, that wiki blurb is clear.

I would include the wiki blurb, yes, other people besides me could get confused.

I think I dont mind if the mafia figure out there's a vengeful.

[Isis]

The vanilla townie is pretty weak too? I don't get it.

[Isis]

I do not

[Isis]

I don't know if you think scum needs more power in the aggregate or if there is something misleading or what

It is a queue that has fruit vendors "this isn't a high impact power role" needs some kind of explanation as a criticism

[Isis]

I think she probably knew

[Isis]

It fails as if roleblocked in the sense that you can generate no result PMs. Trackers and watchers see the attempt because normal queue mechanics are actually kind of a conflated dumpster fire.

[Isis]

I don't know if it's a pt thing (VOTE: peace?) But the vote tags in plotinus's voting rule is messed up. Anyway I approve