Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Toogeloo]

Hail to the King, baby.

You ever signed up for a game...
Then you signed up for another game...
Then you played and finished the second game you signed up for...
Before the first game you signed up for started?

Happened to me.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Their openers as town are usually more distinct, from experience, and tend to relate to their own role or the actual game. Here they talk about the delay but that is it.

/sadface
Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. But it usually is. Sometimes you gotta dig a little deeper.

I'm trying to pack while people look at my house in between. I've been trying to get back home and still play Mafia part time lol. It's been hell.

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Luke, tell me how I was so fooled by you last game. What should I avoid in trusting you?

[Toogeloo]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role

. I begin the game brainwashed.

At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

Is there any indication on how to remove the brainwashing? If you

begin the game

brainwashed, there is a chance you can break the brainwashing, no?

[Toogeloo]

Also, I assume you still scan as town, and not scum, correct?

[Toogeloo]

You should really not read into how I phrase these things. I'm purposefully trying to dodge directly quoting the role PM by accident. As far as I'm aware, I have no method of breaking the brainwashing.

And what about my other question. As far as you know, you aren't Miller-esque towards scans, correct?

[Toogeloo]

Likelihood of Rhia lying about role is zero

JJH adding negative utility to town to fux with them also decently high

Binned

A little early for this assumption given the slot. It's also a type of claim that could easily draw these types of conclusions, and Mafia could bank on that.

Base a scum/town alignment on other actions not easily fakeabke.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: Toogaloo

Actually scum. I wasn't sure before, the opening was bad but the impassioned plea was good.

But that's kind of mask off paranoia creation at inception that scum does to reduce confidence in town reads.

Oh look, omgus.

[Toogeloo]

LLD, I expressed you shouldn't be town read easily, you think I suck for that and vote me. It's not letter of the law omgus, but pretty darn close. You feel slighted because I questioned why someone else pocketed you.

[Toogeloo]

I recently learned of this thing, its called "crumbing" and I thought I would try it out sometime.

As someone who crumbs most games, I find it a fun way to help me think about how I word my posts. Most times I word vomit though.

[Toogeloo]

For what reason would scum fakeclaim that role?

Well, there a couple things that come to mind, I think first and foremost is that there might be a benefit to being the person on the scum team that makes all the night kills.

I'm not even committed to calling LLD scum, and it hadn't even crossed my mind. And to be perfectly honest, I don't care. I was 100% more interested in the people town binning LLD like she just claimed Innocent Child. But LLD's response to my post that wasn't even directed at her has definitely intrigued me. LLD is a highly prolific player and not above gambits. I simply err on the side of caution with those types.

[Toogeloo]

I too am vested in seeing this wagon form.

[Toogeloo]

Interested how? Also, name names?

It looked like you were pushing back at LLD to me.

Look at my iso, you can see who I quoted.

[Toogeloo]

Jesus Christ.

I quoted unwnd who town binned LLD, and stated that I didn't think it was town bin worthy.

Was that hard?

[Toogeloo]

/grin

[Toogeloo]

But you were talking about LLD, not unwnd

Why would I talk about unwnd to unwnd?

[Toogeloo]

Can we kill the Panda please?

I want to see what's black and white and red all over

It'll happen eventually.

[Toogeloo]

Kinda sus that GiF put me at L-2 and didn't post a heads-up.

[Toogeloo]

Mod didn't count LLDs vote on me.

[Toogeloo]

Didn't know the VC was wrong until GiF said he wasn't the L-2 vote. In fact I didn't even see the vote count. I just saw the vote, and I was already keeping track in my head.

I don't really town read anyone on my wagon. Y'all are a bunch of opportunistic mother huggers.

Anyways, since unwnd claimed intent, I'll go ahead and claim that my role is confirmable, and that I crumbed my flavor in my first and second post, Sadou Maou.

[Toogeloo]

Anyone you do townread?

Maybe DGB.

[Toogeloo]

That's an odd read to me

I just feel like saying 'I townread none of the people wagoning me' is a little shortsigthed, you don't think someone can just be wrong and not necessarily scum? The mob isn't as threatening as you're making it out to be

Why should I town read someone who is voting me because they didn't think I crumbed post 1, someone who is power driving a paranoia case on me because I'm not willing to town read their slot on claim alone, and 3 people sheeping said power driver, one of which who admitted to not efforting and much and just giving their vote.

Nothing any of the 5 voters has done has inspired me to draw a town read from them.

[Toogeloo]

Obviously.

[Toogeloo]

Well, considering I'm not really a fan of Luke, you might be right. Honestly, I didn't pay attention to any cases on anyone else. The Votals look like vanity wagons on anyone not named Toog.

I mostly just been skimming through the day though and mostly just trying to focus on responding to people aiming things at me.

[Toogeloo]

Erm, convinced so soon?

What's your individual reason to not like Luke if I may ask

I wouldn't say convinced. It's more like an obvious conclusion based on my previous statements.

Luke vote on me is just opportunistic and more of a sheep vote.

[Toogeloo]

But if someone suspecting you as scum makes the game unfun for you, I'm uncertain what to tell you. On a personal note, I don't know you more than by reputation, which is a fairly positive one, hence my desire not to try and kill you before Toog.

I don't have a fairly positive reputation?
/sadface

Toog are you able to explain how you're confirmable without claiming more than you'd like to at this point? If so that'd be

100

I gave some thought on this and decided that I shouldn't have even claimed I had a confirmable role. I'm going to not claim anything extra in regards to my role, and that some players just want blood early and will twist any statement to fill a narrative in their head. The only thing that might save me is my full claim, but I'm not giving it because if people can't realize they snap judged a comment or really think I'm so big a threat they want me out Day 1, then I'm not going to hinge survival on the role claim. In my opinion I've done nothing scummy, but obviously people see things differently. I'd rather just be eliminated in silence and hope town can win without my role.

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I've developed town reads on DGB, ssbm, GiF, and unwnd.

No strong scum reads, though I still am not a fan of the people passing their votes to LLD as their sword (specifically Wheme and cabd).

[Toogeloo]

I'm all for players being wrong. It happens to everyone. I'm not down for cliques or fear-mongering.

@marci, I don't care what I look like to other people. I never have. So I think you confused my quote. To clarify it, due to my limited spurts of play time, I skim through the thread if there have many many posts, and then I try to make sure I reply to people who ask me something.

[Toogeloo]

The issue is that LLD is a very hot personality, and many people don't respond well to it. I'm personally just waiting for her bloodlust to find a new change in the winds if I'm so lucky, but generally hot personalities are difficult to engage with for me because I myself have a no fucks given personality, but it's passive and not aggressive.

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On a reread of GiF's iso, I am moving them up to my strongest town read. I like how they are engaging the various players and not sticking to one hot topic.

The general vibe I'm getting from a cast majority of the player base however is that they are itching for a night phase without causing much of a commotion so that they can use their night actions.

The one player I am most concerned about is Manatee because given their role, I would have figured they would be more engaging so they can formulate a strategy or work with other players. Instead, their focus is on page tops and I worry they might snipe a random player with their double vote. I'm still not even sure what to make of the role. It seems a little "strong," in a 13 player game if they are being 100% truthful in it's specifics. However, it would have been far too easy if they could legit park a second vote on someone without having told us ahead of time of the repercussions and rode out the Double Voter claim.

[Toogeloo]

Too many damn posts.

[Toogeloo]

I want Toog to full claim and not this half claim garbage, or die.

Well then die it is. My full claim on Day 1, 18 hours in is more damaging to my game. Sorry, not sorry.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

I'm struggling with this manatee claim the more I look at it.

The initial claim is that it kills a random townie if it's not on the Lim wagon.

Then it's clarified that it kills the person it's on if they aren't the Lim wagon.

Then it's further clarified that it's once again a random player if the vote isn't placed at all.

I feel like that is a lot of edits for one, but I'm really struggling with the random aspect of it. Is it random townie, or can scum be in the pool? Does this seem like a role that should have an actual random modifier to it? Does this seem like a role that would be more than 1-shot in a 13 player game?

I think I'm still at L-2, so why hasn't there been any discussion on where to direct this shot considering how hard LLD has been pushing to have me ran through?

I'm surprised at how little discussion has been had on this, and if the role exists it seems like a role very susceptible to scum influence.

[Toogeloo]

I'm surprised at how little discussion has been had on this, and if the role exists it seems like a role very susceptible to scum influence.

Scum influence and not actually belonging to scum?

It feels like you spent most of the post saying Manatee was scummy and then pivoted into this

Wow, your reading comprehension is garbage.

[Toogeloo]

Then on your reread of the post, you'll notice I talked almost exclusively about the role and the lack of discussion surrounding it's mechanics as we approach end of day.

BTW, I don't know why you have this giant mancrush on me spanning multiple games, but I'm married.

[Toogeloo]

Obviously, LLD beat me to the response.

[Toogeloo]

I think I'm still at L-2, so why hasn't there been any discussion on where to direct this shot considering how hard LLD has been pushing to have me ran through?

It’s because it hasn’t even been 2 days since the game started, believe it or not.

And yet here we are. Stalled out game with a singular uncontested wagon the entire time while everyone keeps the status quo as unprovoked as possible probably so they can use their cool powuhz N1.

[Toogeloo]

Ooh... Mass claim? What'd I miss? (I'm not going back and reading like 20 pages or whatever).

[Toogeloo]

I originally wanted to pick characters from Inuyasha, because it was the only isekai anime I had ever seen before, but apparently it is not technically an isekai, and so my picks were not accepted.

I submitted Inuyasha picks as well, but I also submitted 2 other animes with picks from those. I was not told that Inuyasha wasn't eligible, although I was told Amphibia and The Owl House were since they are Western. Inuyasha is an Isekai however, so I would disagree with that ruling.

[Toogeloo]

I'm currently just a plain old Town Vanilla.

[Toogeloo]

That sounds awfully comfirmable.

But, yet, it's so true.

[Toogeloo]

Ready to have your mind blown? I'm the Ultimate back-up. I get more powerful the more townies that die. Enough of them die, I can Roleblock, Jailkeep, Track, Doc, or Cop, hell, I could even neighborize another player.

But I'm going to die a VT, so it don't matter.

I did not get Inuyasha. I just submitted it and wasn't told that it wasn't eligible. I got a pick from one of the other two animes I submitted. I literally submitted 10 characters from different animes. I already claimed I was Sadou Maou, aka King Satan.

[Toogeloo]

So you unlock powers as town die or do you inherit others role like a universal backup

The former.

[Toogeloo]

Toog, do you have any scum reads yet?

Too early for strong scum reads. I need flips, but people I dislike most are Wheme, cabd, Luke, and LLD, in that order. Go figure.

[Toogeloo]

Neighborize is one of the easiest abilities to unlock. Cop is one of the hardest.

[Toogeloo]

Go figure?

Sarcasm, meant to convey, "Shocker!"

[Toogeloo]

This wording in confusing based on what you have claimed so far

I listed everything I can unlock. I didn't tell you how they do

[Toogeloo]

But you did Toog

You said you get them based on how many townies die or something

Yep, townies die, I get powers. That's what I said.

[Toogeloo]

One more question Toog.
Do you unlock the power at the end of the day or end of the night

At night.

[Toogeloo]

Were those reads supposed to be obvious?

Seem pretty obvious to me. Not entirely sure why you would think I'd say anyone else.

[Toogeloo]

Beginning or end of night?

I get credit the moment a player dies, but I don't get to use anything unless it's night time.

[Toogeloo]

This is fun.

[Toogeloo]

Is there a correlation between a dead townie's ability and the ability you unlock?

Maaaaaaybe.

[Toogeloo]

Is there a correlation between a dead townie's ability and the ability you unlock?

Maaaaaaybe.

Why do you not want to answer that?

Because I'm going to die as a VT, so honestly it doesn't matter. And to be quite frank, y'all are lucky I changed my mind and told you anything at all and didn't just be a dick and wait for my execution.

[Toogeloo]

yea i am fine w toog going

Vote me then.

[Toogeloo]

yea i am fine w toog going

Vote me then.

oh yes totally to let u hammer before ive laid down my second vote

You already have your first vote on DGB. That means your second vote will be on me. By your role definition, if I were to self hammer you would have a vig shot tonight.

[Toogeloo]

Toog, do you have any scum reads yet?

Too early for strong scum reads. I need flips, but people I dislike most are Wheme, cabd, Luke, and LLD, in that order. Go figure.

Weird, it's like I said the exact same thing 700 posts ago.

[Toogeloo]

Well, except I added your name.

[Toogeloo]

Your welcome.

[Toogeloo]

Ooh... Mass claim? What'd I miss? (I'm not going back and reading like 20 pages or whatever).

[Toogeloo]

In that case, what added me to the list?

Your vote.

[Toogeloo]

In that case, what added me to the list?

Your vote.

If me voting you makes me scum, why was I not on your list in 640?

And also, why is dunn not on either list?

I feel like I need to talk to you like I talk to my kids at this point. I don't mind Dunn, they didn't act sheepishly.

[Toogeloo]

And the 640 was specially calling out swords.

[Toogeloo]

I mean why the hell are you even arguing with your scum read Luke?

[Toogeloo]

No 640 was specifically talking about your reads. Both town and scum (well lack of scum reads). I voted you in 257. That was not enough to scum read me in 640.

Now you are scum reading me and claiming to not have read anything in between.

And you said the reason I made that list was because I was voting you. That does not explain why I was not a scum read then, but I am now.

At no point have I called anyone scum this game.

[Toogeloo]

I was talking about my scum reads on DGB and Toog.

How convenient that these are LLD's reads, and LLD rarely switches directions. You can count on her pushing these reads until she gets her way.

If I were scum I'd support all her reads too.

He ain't no sheep!

[Toogeloo]

I'm just fucking with you Luke. If I get miselimmed today, know that I bare no grudges.

[Toogeloo]

I walk my cat as well. I feel like I should do that now, it's been a minute.

[Toogeloo]

KILL ME

You numbnuts are in need of a profound reset.

Agreed. Manatee just DGB, and vote me out. Can't wait to see how you ass hats cannibalize each other Day 2.

[Toogeloo]

KILL ME

You numbnuts are in need of a profound reset.

Agreed. Manatee just DGB, and vote me out. Can't wait to see how you ass hats cannibalize each other Day 2.

EBWOP:
Manatee just kill DGB with vote two, and everyone else vote me out.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

Cabd scum!

[Toogeloo]

But, you and cabd are like the Wonder Twins to LLD's Gleek making her a functional Triple Voter today!

[Toogeloo]

I'll invoke the rule that one (or more!) of cabd, Dunnstral, or Kate Bishop may possibly be scum. Not sure who came up with that rule, but I'll endorse it this game.

[Toogeloo]

Yep, I hard disagree with cliques and trust falls with and between players based solely on their reputations. It makes the game extremely unfun to play against a preformed mob mentality.

[Toogeloo]

If you think this hydra is in lockstep with LLD you're not paying attention.

What the duck are you talking about?

[Toogeloo]

I had no intention of playing this day the way I have, but the moment both cabd and Wheme basically turned LLD into a triple voter, and LLD is basically, "lalalala kill the panda, no ifs ands or buts," I basically said fuck it, I don't give a shit about this game anymore.

[Toogeloo]

It's difficult to put a read on an entire wagon when they all look like they are there advantageously. I didn't have a problem with Dunn, and really at one point I was just hoping the wagon would shift. I think someone voted me and then unvoted just get a 5th vote again right away, like it was a running joke to keep me there. The entire I'm thinking I didn't deserve it. Then the thread enters this so called "burnout phase." I just threw my hands up and said fuck it.

I don't care whose scum anymore. I have tried looking, and I'm not going to.

[Toogeloo]

haven't* tried.

There has been zero incentive for me to effort.

[Toogeloo]

Due to harassment in a non-game thread, I have decided taking a break for an undetermined amount of time from Mafiascum might be the best for my mental health.

I have requested a replacement. Good luck to you.

[Toogeloo]

I would like to formally apologize about my previous post. After discussion with the other party, their intentions were not intended to be malicious. Often times intent is hard to read over the internet.

I think though, that I should still take a break and that continuing to request replacement might still be for the best.

[Toogeloo]

Sorry for the replace out. I was a bit in tears that night and having a moment. I could have handled things better.

[Toogeloo]

Nah, now that it's over, let me clarify what happened.

I was going full shitpost by the time I was exiting the game. I was extremely frustrated at the death tunnel and people just signing off their votes. My wagon had two scum, so I get it. I wanted to expand my shit posting technique, so I created a topic asking about how to post images in general chat.

Pooky made a post there that I completely misinterpreted. I called him out in PMs, but I was offended. In hindsight, I can completely see the other way to read his reply, but in the moment, I only interpreted his comment as an attack on me.

I was in tears, I replaced out of all my commitments, I was in full crash mode. Pooky talked to me afterwards, and I couldn't stop crying, because I felt like I had dragged him through the mud while I was throwing a mental hissy fit.

I think it was just a perfect storm of raw emotion and I had a small breakdown, but honestly, talking with Pooky in PMs helped me more than just walking away. It was still a good idea that I replaced out, and I give Titus all my love and thanks for trying to carry my slot through the rest of the way.

I want to apologize to anyone else I might have offended in the game.