Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

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Greetings, not-so-gentle-beings.

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Also, noted.

I can see the page 1 caffeination in the muscle twitch reflexes.

Is this in response to Cabd or myself?

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That's a good point GiF, I didn't consider that before

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You ever get what you want, then you realize you don't know what to do with it?

A bit early to be grandstanding, don't you think?

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Logically it has to be me or luke then, since everyone else's content sucks

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Logically it has to be me or luke then, since everyone else's content sucks

:/

My snoopy heart breaks.

I actually wasn't including you since Kate Bishop already said no there

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Getting some extreme pingage from some certain posts but hohoho

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Actually, do you want to talk about that?

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ffs @ my role :dead: :dead:

I'm going to be a really bad player
and townread this Day 1 btw.

Guys, I think I have found the easy pocket target this game

Weird post.

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https://lmgtfy.app/?q=how+do+you+learn+ ... nd+move+on

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Hi giffy! Are you scum?

You're too slow, GiF.

I've already got my page 1 townread.

Found scum already.

VOTE: Kate Bishop

I'll bite, why is this scum?

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Also might technically break site rules about game info in non-game thread locations...

^

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Reads coming tonight

p.edit: I am aware it is now Wednesday morning. I need to type a load of things up still so that they exist digitally, with the aim of that being asap

p.edit: Apologies as this has taken longer than I thought but I

will

have everything wrapped up by the end of the day and ready to go

p.edit: It's all there now, just giving some time for a once over and I expect reads to go out in the next 12 hours.

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VOTE: Toogeloo

Their openers as town are usually more distinct, from experience, and tend to relate to their own role or the actual game. Here they talk about the delay but that is it.

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Reads coming tonight

p.edit: I am aware it is now Wednesday morning. I need to type a load of things up still so that they exist digitally, with the aim of that being asap

p.edit: Apologies as this has taken longer than I thought but I

will

have everything wrapped up by the end of the day and ready to go

p.edit: It's all there now, just giving some time for a once over and I expect reads to go out in the next 12 hours.

This is the other scum.

Spoiler: post 84

I was poking fun at the mod, that's close to what the mod posted when they were setting the game up

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We called him two separate things lmao

Are you saying both hydra heads are uptight because of the red role PM?

Was your earlier reason for scum reading them reliant on the same head having posted those two earlier posts?

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For what reason would scum fakeclaim that role?

Well, there a couple things that come to mind, I think first and foremost is that there might be a benefit to being the person on the scum team that makes all the night kills.

I'm not even committed to calling LLD scum, and it hadn't even crossed my mind. And to be perfectly honest, I don't care.

I was 100% more interested in the people town binning LLD like she just claimed Innocent Child.

But LLD's response to my post that wasn't even directed at her has definitely intrigued me. LLD is a highly prolific player and not above gambits. I simply err on the side of caution with those types.

Interested how? Also, name names?

It looked like you were pushing back at LLD to me.

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hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

Does this mean limlo is a day sooner if Manatee is alive?

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Jesus Christ.

I quoted unwnd who town binned LLD, and stated that I didn't think it was town bin worthy.

Was that hard?

But you were talking about LLD, not unwnd

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do not quite understand why you dont just let me prove myself

Why is it better to have a vig kill at night than to eliminate an extra person during the day?

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{Dunn.......Cabd, GIF}
{Rhiannon, DGB(?)} DGB feels right on this tier but it's not as solid other reads to this point
{Wheme, marci.......manatee} niggles about manatee's role, but eh
{Unwnd} true null
{Luke}
{ssbm, Toog(?)}

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This is synced, but my reads are awfully fluid.

Toog's in flux. I feel like he's doing AI stuff now, maybe? Most of his posts from that LLD sus onward haven't sat right. I have a feeling Nacho would tell me this is town toog, but I never totally nailed down what makes town toog town to Nacho.

Maybe ssbm is where I'll want to vote.

[LLD, Cabd, Kate Bishop]
[Manatee, Unwnd, GIF, Marci]
[Wheme, Luke, DGB]
[SSBM, Toog]

With the caveat that I don't think anyone in the top tier is super far out of scum range, these are early feelings mainly based on tone and claims.
Cautiously putting Unwnd and Marci above null for unexplained reasons

I don't have any sort of feeling about Wheme//Luke right now, so they're at null

I didn't like the SSBM pop-in and only talking about the claims
Toog claiming to be confirmable doesn't do anything for me.

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I'll actually go ahead and say that it doesn't feel like there is a lot of AI stuff from Kate Bishop until they start talking about SSBM and posting reads

Or at least, not that I understand, but 1 on 1 interaction is different from general thread interaction

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You're the one person who called him town. 109

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It means that Toog has put themselves in a position where actions will resolve them, given they've already hinted to what they are. No, they didn't state a power or anything like that, and I'm well aware it's role madness upick. However, the moment you hint you can do something is the moment I expect something, meaning I can get a read out of it.

What happens when we wagon ssbm and they indicate that they can do something?

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I don't see toog saying their role is confirmable as towny

Scum can have confirmable roles

And it already feels like town may have a few confirmable roles

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For what reason would scum fakeclaim that role?

Well, there a couple things that come to mind, I think first and foremost is that there might be a benefit to being the person on the scum team that makes all the night kills.

I'm not even committed to calling LLD scum, and it hadn't even crossed my mind. And to be perfectly honest, I don't care. I was 100% more interested in the people town binning LLD like she just claimed Innocent Child. But LLD's response to my post that wasn't even directed at her has definitely intrigued me. LLD is a highly prolific player and not above gambits. I simply err on the side of caution with those types.

This post and the explanations that came from it bothers me. It really doesn't seem like Toog was interested in solving other people, and when asked was only able to name Unwnd, though they worded it like there was multiple people.

Their stance on LLD ranges from trying to seem neutral to not being 'commited' to calling them scum.

Then they grandstanded about how they were looking forward to being wagoned in 356, but then in 499 gives very mild thoughts about their own wagon, and the explanation when pressed in 508 is still vague and not compelling.

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Is that you telling me to move to ssbm?

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This might be the first game I've played with Toogeloo where they didn't immediately claim their role

They did it in Yggdrasil and in two treestump vs games where they were vt and claimed it immediately (so they claimed even when there was no tactical advantage to do so)

I believe they were town in all of those games, which is why their opener here pinged me, since it implies that either they are changing things up, or they have a role that shouldn't be claimed. Arguable that didn't stop them in Yggdrasil when they were town so it leans towards being a scum role that they shouldn't claim/were told not to claim.

That's not the reason I'm voting them right now as I feel there's more info but it is along the lines of what I was thinking when I voted. They already explained that they were busy with packing which explains the lack of doing stuff early that I noticed.

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UNVOTE:

Given that that was p much the major reason and the answer given is p null

531?

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What would scum GiF look like?

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So he's too ugly to be scum?

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I have to say, I'm not getting the townvibes I usually get from Kyouko, and that concerns me.

I was thinking the opposite and liked their recent posting

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I'm surprised at how little discussion has been had on this, and if the role exists it seems like a role very susceptible to scum influence.

Scum influence and not actually belonging to scum?

It feels like you spent most of the post saying Manatee was scummy and then pivoted into this

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I am also at "claim or die"

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I don't think it is, actually.

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BTW, I don't know why you have this giant mancrush on me spanning multiple games, but I'm married.

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I think I'm still at L-2, so why hasn't there been any discussion on where to direct this shot considering how hard LLD has been pushing to have me ran through?

It’s because it hasn’t even been 2 days since the game started, believe it or not.

And yet here we are. Stalled out game with a singular uncontested wagon the entire time while everyone keeps the status quo as unprovoked as possible probably so they can use their cool powuhz N1.

This is not how I play.

Also claiming I had a 'mancrush' on you earlier is unfounded with a bit of research: from our past 2 games I pushes on you when I was mafia and then when we were both town I didn't push on you and you got nightkilled. I think you are trying to imply that I just always push you for no reason and that simply isn't true.

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i think toogelo is town in terms of their response to the push on them

How so?

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is there something happening in a couple days?

GiF goes sicko mode

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When I said I don't want to it's just cause I'm honest to a fault

I don't want to explain, mostly because the moment I do I've made the choice

to

make it about me. I will say though that I disagree with the current leading wagon, but maybe some of you can't read cheekiness and hints well.

Name an alternative to the current wagon?

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If she's lying about her role (which should be very easily confirmable) we yeet her.
But until then double day is incredibly useful for town so we should just abuse it.
It's really that simple.

If I have my druthers, you and Dunn will be instrumental in guiding what manatee does with her abilities today.

Cabd seems like other stuff is occupying his mental gamespace right now.

Manatee should check in and go over what they want to do with their role now

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

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Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

Since you understand how it works, can you explain it to me?

If their second vote is on wagon, they gain a one-shot vigilante for that night
If their second vote is off wagon, that player dies at the end of the day along with the original elimination
If their second vote is on nobody, a random town-aligned player dies

Once they place their second vote, it can't be moved during that same day

That's how I understand it

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If we want her to use the second option then the second vote should wait until the elim is decided.

IMO she should use her second vote on the wagon that is mostly decided (Toogeloo) and we figure out the second elimination with votes, rather than vice versa

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Manatee should ask for claims before using ability

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Luke can you explain your read on me?

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Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

They don't match their town meta and instead match their scum meta
Kate did a whole thing on going over this

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Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

They don't match their town meta and instead match their scum meta
Kate did a whole thing on going over this

But she told me that she was being neutral about this!

I believe Kate has been thinking Toog-scum for a while

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Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

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(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

Why does this not make you think they are town?

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Normally in case like this I'd go "yeah fuck it lmao"
But I'll have y'all know that with double elim today, if we mislim both times we can potentially end up in MeLo Day 2.
So I actually have to be more cautious.

I'm not sure the math works out here? Even if Manatee is using their role day 2

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I was talking about my town reads on Dunn, lld, and cabd forming.

Speaking of which: why?

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@Dunn

Luke can you explain your read on me?

You feel a lot like you felt in bork's game, and I have found myself agreeing with basically every post you have made. About basically everything.

At one point I responded to a post, and then immediately after I saw you say basically the same thing. From my pov, it was kind of like you had read my mind, although it was during my catch up, so you obviously made the post long before me. But it feels like we are thinking about the game in the same way.

I missed this, thanks

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I'm yeeted off the game during Night 1. I do not know if I can come back to the game thread afterwards.

All I know is that it works like a commute but staying commuted for unforeseen amount of phases, including the day phase. So I won't even flip. I'm just gonna be yeeted.

I don't understand why you're claiming

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We aren't mass claiming

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Spoiler:

Just like random thing, because it got mentioned again, and I realized that this part I can say without actually saying anything that mattered mech wise.

ff

s @ my role :dead: :dead:

Final Fantasys. FFs. I love the final fantasy games, with ff9 being my favorite game of all time. My avatar is even a character of ff9.

I originally wanted to pick characters from Inuyasha, because it was the only isekai anime I had ever seen before, but apparently it is not technically an isekai, and so my picks were not accepted.

So then, I looked at a random ass list of Isekai animes, because my picks were going to have to come from an anime that I had never seen before because apparently I have never seen an isekai before. And low and behold, there is a Final Fantasy Isekai that I had never heard of before. So I figured if I was gonna have to pick an isekai I had never seen before, maybe I could at least end up being final fantasy themed.

So part of that crumb included a reference to my flavor origin. FFs. Final Fantasys

I thought that was actually really clever when I came up with it :/

Final Fantasy isn't an isekai though, unless there is a spin-off

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@dunn- comments?

On the claim?

Doesn't really make sense for like, LLD's role claim. Does he inherit the mind control?
Also I have a problem with Manatee's role becoming backed up.
ALSO he backs up everything instead of the first person to die, and we have double kill on day 1.

The claim seems really sketchy to me, were you thinking back to manatee's claim in the last game?

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Actually I think I misunderstood their claim.

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Ready to have your mind blown? I'm the Ultimate back-up. I get more powerful the more townies that die. Enough of them die, I can Roleblock, Jailkeep, Track, Doc, or Cop, hell, I could even neighborize another player.

But I'm going to die a VT, so it don't matter.

I did not get Inuyasha. I just submitted it and wasn't told that it wasn't eligible. I got a pick from one of the other two animes I submitted. I literally submitted 10 characters from different animes. I already claimed I was Sadou Maou, aka King Satan.

Can you use multiple abilities during the same night? Are these abilities 1-shot?

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Some people just don't how to play scum.

Spoiler:

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Toog claimed they didn't read the past 20 pages. So why did they add Luke to their scumreads?

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Let's kill WhemeStar then. I think Manatee's progression looks awful regardless of failed context

How does this relate to the current wagon on Toog? Or do you like the claim

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Manatee, what is keeping you from asking DGB to claim if you are set in your decision?

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That's not it at all.

Are you reading my own posts? This is not the first time I've talked about Manatee.

I think that they think that what you colored red and bolded means that you think that manatee switched opinions

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Is she a third party or scum

Only one way to find out!

And if she is groupscum Luke dies next :)

Who is "she"

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No 640 was specifically talking about your reads. Both town and scum (well lack of scum reads). I voted you in 257. That was not enough to scum read me in 640.

Now you are scum reading me and claiming to not have read anything in between.

And you said the reason I made that list was because I was voting you. That does not explain why I was not a scum read then, but I am now.

At no point have I called anyone scum this game.

This post is a head tilter

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difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

This post is crazy

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ngl gun to my head Toog claim is NLT.

What does this mean?

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My opinion on Manatee opened up to possible groupscum once I saw how fucking nuts the roles with negative utility are

I'm not gonna try to outguess the mod, he's out to lunch

How does town negative utility mean that scum can have a more powerful role, though?

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difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

This post is crazy

As part of the hydra that led her elim, I'll confirm that she did have a good attitude about the game. she fought, but she didn't really know HOW to fight morph off.

It implies that they are flailing in this game and know it, which is a weird thing to say

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I still want to here from other people their opinion on who i target,

I gave my opinion and a couple of people backed that

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difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

This post is crazy

As part of the hydra that led her elim, I'll confirm that she did have a good attitude about the game. she fought, but she didn't really know HOW to fight morph off.

It implies that they are flailing in this game and know it, which is a weird thing to say

heart on sleeve.

I'm not at all sure she's town, but I do feel like she has some legit gripes.

Players are treating her like she's a leashed SK.

That's fair

I was getting sort of anxious because it felt like we were collectively waiting for Manatee and they weren't fully communicating their plans

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Why would we want manatee to not kill somebody?

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Manatee never said their vig shot was compulsive

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Manatee never said their vig shot was compulsive

I thought if she didn't use it, a random townie would die?

That is for their second vote during the day

They get the vig shot but I'm not sure they need to use it

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i have a second vote. placing it on a player that doesnt get elimed kills them.
placing it on a player that does get elim gives me a vig shot.
not placing it kills a random townie at night.

i knew i didnt want to not place it and i knew i wanted 2 keep the rest under wraps hence my original claim

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Cabd if you don't see this flash of NQN right now you're scum.

What is NQN?

Also Luke and Dunn shrekt Toog on that last page, think it's ogre for him but haven't seem how he responds to Dunn's accusation about "if he didn't read the past 20 pages why is he scumreading Luke"

Spoiler: joke

I submitted Donkey from Shrek and the mod also told me that wasn't an isekai /s

1393 it was luke's vote, which happened at post 257 actually, so I think this is weird

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I dunno.

could be a fishing expedition?

I think this is where I'm at given the inconsistent evolution of the claim and statements about what the claim would eventually be that didn't quite line up.


Having looked into the source material the character being claimed in question is the main character of a show called the devil is a part-timer where said demon-lord/devil/whatever ends up losing the fight and him and a few of his subordinates end up on earth with no real power and so he ends up essentially being a McDonald's cashier. He is still able to draw power from negative emotions of humanity although notably I don't believe it was ever seated that he gets power from their deaths. He usually ends up using the power in ways that comically end up being not evil despite him and his crew retaining their evil alignment.

I think Dunn summarized the weirdness around it pretty well alongside Luke I believe who did the same.

One last part that is speculative on my part as to how town reacts in this situation but we were explicitly told when we got our roles that the flavor justification part can be treated as public knowledge not as mod given information and it even says that in the original rules post and yet that information is far as how the role and flavor tie together was omitted entirely. Why? My guess is because the flavor blurb explains why this roll makes so much sense as a mafia role and wasn't easily adaptable.

When I was saying it was weird I misunderstood it as some sort of global backup due to the way it was described.

What I think is weidr is what I asked in 1369, especally combo'd with Manatee's role. Does Toog jailkeep and also roleblock or doc someone at some point? Can they save their abilities and fire them all off at the same time?

It sounds like 1-shot abilities but it wasn't specified.

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2181 calls.

You think this game is not as easy as it seems?

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2181 calls.

You think this game is not as easy as it seems?

Hey I said that first!

It is unwnd's signature move though

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i fucked up that quote it was supposed 2 say +1

i have a second vote. placing it on a player that doesnt get elimed kills them.

The scum must have gotten really excited to have rolled this!

I just noticed that. I'm dumb please forgiv.

its fine <3 please do keep it in your mind going forward

Manatee's recent post is off

But i wouldn't categorize her as scun

if my own theories are right

You can't challenge her, she'll kill you.

where on earth are you getting this idea

good to know

but that's not part of the sigma male grindset.

OH i thought u were talking abt me im sorry cab

we could like. end day rn

yea i think massclaiming is a wonderful idea btw

This is why you are not town

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LLD is also null

So why are you sheeping LLD/Cabd?

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My first underage (don't tell) drink I went onto forums and pretended to be drunk in the exact same way after having like 3 sips of beer

Then you grow up and realize talkfvndn liekt THIS is not actually what drunk people do

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Due to harassment in a non-game thread, I have decided taking a break for an undetermined amount of time from Mafiascum might be the best for my mental health.

I have requested a replacement. Good luck to you.

I have some bad.... Damn it.

I don't know how to talk about this, and maybe I'm not meant to, but I feel like I can't not?

You can definitely choose not to

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Am I the only one who saw wheme say he knows he’s not drunk then go and post exactly like unwnd said

He forgot that he was drunk

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IMO manatee lass seocndvotes there then we use our actual elim somewhere else for wagon data?

Seems like a good idea

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Hi, I don't really like the turn this game has taken.

Manatee, what

are

you planning on doing?

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Hi, I don't really like the turn this game has taken.

Manatee, what

are

you planning on doing?

killing titus w my shot

Have you changed your mind with your read on that slot?

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I think that it is ultimately to our advantage to use the double elimination

If we are unsure we should try to become more sure instead of doing nothing

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I do want to talk about the sift to voting LLD

Specifically, Wheme seems to have gotten away without actually explaining himself/his actions

So I am asking: Why did you switch to voting LLD (a null read earlier) instead of sheeping like you were talking about earlier?

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*the shift

Also I thought the meta analysis of ssbm_kyouko was interesting in that it was described as if they were likely to be scum this game due to a lack on efforting/content (it sounded pretty convincing, too)

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Hmm yes I have indeed seen all three seasons of this

This one looks aggressively like garbage on first impression

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I guess none of this matters, Manatee is going to kill me momentarily and get me out of this super awkward pickle.

I was a Dreaming God and now thanks to your bad reads I won't be able to play it, and I'll never roll that again.

Is this role/claim not sort of similar to what Titus is claiming?

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Marci if I could have anything this game it would be to probably get you to stop being so shy/nervous.

Is it me? I'm not that scary. In my spare time I knit

I'm harmless

its partly u but its other people as well..
ur all so good ur gonna rip apart my reasoning and call it trash : - (
maybe i can try a bit later but today isnt a good time, we're celebrating my younger brothers birthday : D

I don't understand what you are thinking right now

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But I think that the dreaming god claim does not really fit with the way you have softed leading up to this

Quotes?

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Hi, I don't really like the turn this game has taken.

Manatee, what

are

you planning on doing?

killing titus w my shot

We are waiting for you

I don't understand why we have to have the other elimination primed for you to lock it in

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VOTE: WhemeStar

I do not think their stance on Cabd/LLD this game comes from town

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Manatee you are stalling the day. Whoever you vote while dead at the end still has a chance to impact today and use their vote.

Yeah to be clear, I moved my vote with the expectation that manatee was going on titus

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1950
Marking my spot for later

What do you think of the meta that was brought up against you? When you get there

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Welp, I'm dead. GG another town loss.

I will wait for the flip. Final thoughts for tomorrow if you are town?

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Hi, I don't really like the turn this game has taken.

Manatee, what

are

you planning on doing?

There's a lot that has changed. what is included in the turn you don't like?

The votes moving to lld and the 'drama' around that time.

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I was mostly talking about the drama

[Dunnstral]

notsci's first DM to me after manatee's vote was "Now let’s kill wheme", so currently, yes.

Player	Votes	Voters
Titus	3	Lady Lambdadelta, Cabd, ManateeGal
Lady Lambdadelta	2	WhemeStar, unwnd
Whemestar	2	ssbm_Kyouko, Dunnstral
Lukewarm	1	Kate Bishop
ssbm_Kyouko	1	DrippingGoofball
Not Voting	---	Titus, marcistar, GuyInFreezer, Lukewarm, ManateeGal

[Dunnstral]

Are you nervous or intimidated by me or the playerlist in general? Honest answer

part of this playlist im kinda nervous and intimidated by yeah, but the other part of the playerlist im comfortable with.

Which parts are which?

dunnstral, ssbm_kyouko, luke dont really make me nervous at all

toogeloo, drippinggoofball, manateegal are like ^ but to a lesser extent

the rest make me nervous to some level :?

[Dunnstral]

Kyouko up, Wheme down

[Dunnstral]

What are the magic words?

Abra Cadaver

[Dunnstral]

Wheme, can you describe your play this game and what you think differentiates it from your scum game?

I wouldn't be posting this much and would be lurking. I'd be playing like how SSBM is playing right now.

how do you define lurking and how does ssbm's play fit that?

I would play it like I wouldn't be active posting or like having a converastoni with people. Id more like pop in like once a day or less and like make a series of detailed posts trying to generate content.

Like when I play scum I try to actually fake reads and actually try to generate cases on people and on the other hand when im town its like oh im town I can just be me and not put up a front. IDK HARD 2 EXPLAIN

This answers a different question than what was asked

[Dunnstral]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

What flipped you on the slot?

meta, basically.

Superficially, there are some similarities to cephgame, but cephgame is a huge outlier to both alignments.

How confident are you?

[Dunnstral]

@Cabd

Do you think DGB's concerns about your play have some basis?

Spoiler: morphhood

In another gamestate I'd be extremely concerned about Katniss.

I think it is expecting more of a xenoblade and less of a bloodstained and this game is gonna be somewhere in the middle.

Spoiler: morphhood

That my lady has ghosted us is really fucking annoying but I have no choice but to follow.

Speaking of which, that multicolored reads list in bloodtained was something you felt forced to do?

[Dunnstral]

We're going to provisionally call Wheme town.

Which leads to AAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHH.

Spoiler:

It may be time to explore some hard reads on overlooked inner circle?

[Dunnstral]

@Cabd

Do you think DGB's concerns about your play have some basis?

Spoiler: morphhood

In another gamestate I'd be extremely concerned about Katniss.

I think it is expecting more of a xenoblade and less of a bloodstained and this game is gonna be somewhere in the middle.

Spoiler: morphhood

That my lady has ghosted us is really fucking annoying but I have no choice but to follow.

Speaking of which, that multicolored reads list in bloodtained was something you felt forced to do?

I am SO not doing one of those this game. At least not any time soon.

Those are reserved for when I have a complete game solve or nearly one.

I don't feel like my reads form a specific "This specific pairing is the scumteam" combo.

That sort of thing doesn't belong in minis or micros, really.

OK. I was under the impression that you were pressured to do so in bloodstained

[Dunnstral]

uhh LLD in the pairing of Marci.

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn- our reads are very much in flux atm. Where is your head at?

Also reconsidering things and deciding where my line on who I'd be willing to eliminate is

Titus not flipping until after is complicated, it means we need to focus on eliminations that are neutral (i.e. I'm not interested in pushing someone who pushed for toog/titus today without seeing flip, even if we think town is more likely based on the way they are acting (?))

I don't currently have a target on who I want eliminated, if that person isn't Wheme.

There is one person who soft claimed a role which I am now suspicious of (the soft claim) - and no I'm not talking about cabd, but there's no good way of explaining the read without laying the whole soft on the table

[Dunnstral]

We have too much DPS in the party.

[Dunnstral]

We are talking about this now?

[Dunnstral]

I mean.

Too many cooks. Kitchens. Day stagnant.

Do you think we shouldn't?

You can proceed

[Dunnstral]

You ever get what you want, then you realize you don't know what to do with it?

All games would be better if I had a dayvig.

Kami-sama, please grant me the ability to destroy my enemies :3

[Dunnstral]

I say this sincerely

This will not be the game I try to influence

I am in spectator mode

I say this sincerely

This will not be the game I try to influence

I am in spectator mode

P.S This is related to my role

As in, I have a restriction

Also potentially this

[Dunnstral]

Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics?

cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game:

No

[Dunnstral]

you want S_S to confirm/not?

I think that I do

[Dunnstral]

"right = might"

-Lukewarm

[Dunnstral]

you want S_S to confirm/not?

I think that I do

[Dunnstral]

Y’all are never gonna guess ours :3

The Hero is Overpowered but Overly Cautious

[Dunnstral]

17. The mafia will win when they control at least 50% of the vote during the day phase.

[Dunnstral]

I doubt the whole scum team got riled up and waded in. But the sudden pushback is kinda interesting.

I see it

[Dunnstral]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

[Dunnstral]

I doubt the whole scum team got riled up and waded in. But the sudden pushback is kinda interesting.

DGB is the red herring?

[Dunnstral]

Someone should still Rule of 3 that post

I don't see myself voting for Kate or Marci

[Dunnstral]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Dunn I’m sad you can’t read me like a open book

You keep saying this but I'm not sure there's anything that points to you as town here

Kate disagrees apparently

[Dunnstral]

I doubt the whole scum team got riled up and waded in. But the sudden pushback is kinda interesting.

DGB is the red herring?

I'm going to drop the semi-code lingo here for everyone's benefit

I think we are in a potential scenario where S_S and Titus are both scum together. S_S came into the game and said Titus was flipping town, Titus discredited Kate as soon as Kate started pushing S_S. Tomorrow if Titus flipped scum S_S could plan to say something along the lines of "why would I call Titus town" or something similar.

In this scenario, DGB is a townie who just happens to have also jumped at Kate

[Dunnstral]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Ah okay. I was double checking your vote as you posted that

I'm entertaining multiple scenarios right now

I don't actually think that the scum team is all of Titus, S_S, Wheme

[Dunnstral]

he could habe easily just stalled and waited to see what his teammates said to do in the situation.

If I were to do that I would have just lurked or diverted the conversation, not openly argued against claiming.

This feels like it's not two scum, vaguely

[Dunnstral]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Dunn I’m sad you can’t read me like a open book

You keep saying this but I'm not sure there's anything that points to you as town here

Kate disagrees apparently

How did you read wheme in yggdrasil?

I went back to that game and opened my iso

The first time "Wheme" appears in my iso is post 3145, and the first time I actually talk about him is 3309

And I believe wheme had claimed a role as well

[Dunnstral]

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Yo Dunn, how do you feel about WhemeStar?

Cause recent posting has got me twitching a bit

I don't feel strongly about his posts

I acknowledge that it is possible for him to be mafia but don't want to go there when I have other scumreads

[Dunnstral]

S_S, what is your read on Wheme?

[Dunnstral]

He is saying that of those pushing back at us,

Is "push back" politically correct "scumreading?"

Not exactly

It's the timing where as soon as Kate started pushing S_S, multiple people started pushing Kate who weren't doing so before

[Dunnstral]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Dunn I’m sad you can’t read me like a open book

You keep saying this but I'm not sure there's anything that points to you as town here

Kate disagrees apparently

How did you read wheme in yggdrasil?

I went back to that game and opened my iso

The first time "Wheme" appears in my iso is post 3145, and the first time I actually talk about him is 3309

And I believe wheme had claimed a role as well

I feel like his posting here is more similar to yggdrasil than to cephgame. And very much not like his recent newbie scum game. There's a dramatic difference in engagement level between his scum and town games.

cephgame, he exceeded his baseline town level of engagement, which makes the read a little bit dicey, but I'm getting similar earnestness vibes to yggdrasil which were missing in cephgame.

That's sort of the thumbnail of our meta dive results.

How do you categorize Wheme as being high engagement here? Do they go full Marci as group scum?

[Dunnstral]

Not all at once, generally. But individually, yeah.

[Dunnstral]

Discrediting/counter-wagon?

[Dunnstral]

S_S, can you do the binary kill/no kill thing

And also give a general idea of what you're thinking reads-wise?

[Dunnstral]

Or consider claiming your role outright with the way things are headed right now

[Dunnstral]

Your tool interprets "don't" as "don"

[Dunnstral]

and talks slightly more about other players directly by name as scum.

I'm not sure that this is what the data shows. It looks like the sample size might be small enough that a few games where he was against the similar players skewed one side of the results.

[Dunnstral]

So, I think your data is mostly a wash...

but

the word "probably" on the scum side stuck out to me, so I searched for it in his iso this game:

Spoiler:

Well, Titus is flipping town, I don't know the circumstances leading up to that but I can probably guess. LLD seems to be thinking she might not, which I don't really like, but it is LLD so it's not out of the question for her to feel that way. There's also some... concerning speculation about what I thought was a fairly clear rule ("death is final?" meaning that death is final but dead players may continue to interact with the game).

For what it's worth, I'm doing this on principle, and I was aware that people might not like it. But it actually may be the case that I wouldn't do this as scum-- it would depend on a lot of things, but my scum philosophy is to say as much as I need to get people off my back while keeping my options open, so I probably would have immediately claimed no killing power. (Unless unwnd had noted in the scum PT that he was clearly softing a killing role in which case I would have tried to make that work.)

All you metaheads, this may be something you can actually verify. Not entirely sure if you can or not.

I grabbed the wrong quote.

I was replying to this one.

Oh. I mean, I would love it if people kept cases as short as I was asking for (~2 sentences), but I think by your definition of a case, probably not.

[Dunnstral]

Cabd do me next that looks cool

I envision a lot of salt post-game if he were to use it on everybody and start using that to sort, followed by a post in mafia discussion

[Dunnstral]

You ever get what you want, then you realize you don't know what to do with it?

My understanding of this is that unwnd wanted a killing role because they felt people weren't listening to their reads, specifically from the last game

All games would be better if I had a dayvig.

This combined with the rest feels like blatant softing

Kami-sama, please grant me the ability to destroy my enemies :3

More softing of flavor and potentially role. "grant me the ability to destroy my enemies" seems like a killing role or something similarly aggressive

ALSO I WAS POO POO ON POPCORN WHAT ARE U ON ABOUT KATE

I give you a gun

Who are you shooting whemey

This post feels like they are considering firing today and giving what ifs

[Dunnstral]

So I think 3004 is at odds with all of that

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Something_Smart

The initial softs factored into my early townlean of your slot, and then when a bunch of other killing roles came out I believe you were put into an awkward situation where you would be suspected for being a killing role on top of all of that, or suspected for going back on earlier softs

[Dunnstral]

Though I feel like you must have a pretty low opinion of my mechanical skills to think I would stall that long and then not claim a gun as scum?

This is untrue and I won't be able to tell if it was a good/bad move without seeing the full picture of scum roles (which have the potential to be quite complicated in this game)

[Dunnstral]

2: Really think we're letting wheme off the hook

Is this something you expressed previously?

[Dunnstral]

Kyouko/Gamma/Cabd/Kate

That's where the scum is.

[Dunnstral]

While noble, I'm not sure reading the entire game is entirely necessary

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Their openers as town are usually more distinct, from experience, and tend to relate to their own role or the actual game. Here they talk about the delay but that is it.

How is the delay not “the actual game”? Do you mean something to do with the theme?

The delay in the game starting.

[Dunnstral]

Are you nervous or intimidated by me or the playerlist in general? Honest answer

part of this playlist im kinda nervous and intimidated by yeah, but the other part of the playerlist im comfortable with.

Is that intimidation more so

You're worried of being fooled by them/can't read them

Or something else? You had a minor thought about me so I'm curious how you're treating this engagement

sorta intimidation maybe?
dont tell anyone since its kinda embarrassing for me to admit this

Spoiler:

im scared my reasonings for stuff will be seen as "not valid" "not good" "dumb reasoning" which is why i've been in general.. a really bad player in some of the games ive been playing lately.
i know where this stems from, but i cant stop thinking along these lines.

when i play games with my friend group they usually shit on my reasoning, and my reasoning usually falls apart quite easily.. this has been happening for awhile now, and its just really worn down my confidence to even attempt to say things. i dont wanna be seen as stupid.

Sometimes my logic can get a little wild too, and it’s okay to be unsure. Also, what do you mean by them shitting on your reasoning because those sound like fake friends ngl

Are you really posing questions to your own slot?

[Dunnstral]

(Yes I’m still salty cabd sussed me over literal jack-shit)

He was scum that game

[Dunnstral]

We have 6 days, we could swing the vote to anyone.

Who do you suggest?

[Dunnstral]

stop claiming

[Dunnstral]

What does that mean Cabd?

Nothing, but at least he's enjoying himself

[Dunnstral]

I'm not Sora or Shiro. I saw the Shiro stuff referring to the white fire hydra.

I can go before ssbm. What is the full claim order? I'd like Wheme to go before me.

[Dunnstral]

my head hurts because I'm pretty sure I let myself get pocketed pretty bad and the only things that saved me from fucking up was a forked up fakeclaim
I CANNOT BELIEVE CABD ENDED UP GETTING CABD CLAUSE'D I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAN RIGHT NOW

What are you talking about?

[Dunnstral]

it seems pretty clear the dead still have a hand in the game

Also if this isn't related to your role I'd like this claim too

[Dunnstral]

It's just distancing, dunn.

Gamma and Cabd?

[Dunnstral]

If we are MYLO, should we full claim?

Also, yes

[Dunnstral]

]

IDK who the vote from beyond is, maybe the person who triggered the vote? I think the role who did it is a town role. I also think both cabd/gamma could be scum but I think 1 of them is def scum

My guess was that it was a vote from SS.

"From beyond" seems to indicate that it was from the after life. But that vote was already cast at the start of the day, so he appeared to have to vote before we got the Titus flip.

It could have been GiF.

[Dunnstral]

Hi, I am a chobi the chocobo.

I have a somewhat dumb role, that is FF flavored, and triggers on my death. (the three things my original soft were supposed to include)

When I die, core game mechanics break for some reason.

The game stops being a majority vote, and turns into a plurality vote system. Also, the length of the day phases changes from 2 weeks, to an unknown deadline that is randomly chosen, but is guaranteed to be more then 1 week long. Because the deadline is unknown, there is no longer a countdown timer given by the mod.

I'm not sure about this claim

[Dunnstral]

The plot thickens.

[Dunnstral]

I just wanted you to have more fun

[Dunnstral]

Im informed about being in the wrong world and if i was in a different world I would have more fun.

How is this "informed"

[Dunnstral]

I was not sure about the role when I got my role pm, but that's it

It is a wild one to be fair

For other reasons which will become apparent

Wheme's claim now too, in fact

[Dunnstral]

I am willing to full claim now but idk if I need to anymore cause I should be locktown now?

Do you think Cabd is town?

[Dunnstral]

WHos fuckin alive

SSBM Dunn Me Luke LLD Cabd Kate Gamma

Am I missing any1

GiF

[Dunnstral]

You'll see more once caught up, ping me. Working on homework.

Do you think Gamma/Wheme unaligned?

[Dunnstral]

I also think we as a thread ignored the "under advice to not post in this thread" thing

I saw it and was waiting for a response from Gamma

[Dunnstral]

We glossed over it but S_S role hinted very strongly that the dead had powers they could use

[Dunnstral]

...

[Dunnstral]

Why was voting for no elim the "correct" choice instead of voting out a semi-consensus SR which is what I went for.

Also... why did we vote out Manatee? Because they lied about how their role worked? (For no reason as town?)

[Dunnstral]

OKAY GUT REAADS

SSBM GIF SCUM

ME CABD LUKE KATE TOWN

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, you want to claim next?

Rimiru Tempest

Spoiler:

When somebody who is not a killing role dies I collect a watered-down/limited version of their role and add it to my repertoire

I've gotten Titus, S_S, DGB, but not Manatee (not GiF either). Can explain the specifics, if needed.

Also see post 1353 before I took a closer look at the claim.

I think Luke's role is weird with mine in the game, but it is getting backed up by Wheme, who is getting backed up by Cabd.

Incidentally, I have no idea what SSBM is on about. Would appreciate if they claimed next or soon.

[Dunnstral]

It is now day 2.

However, the thread will not be opening yet. In addition to the normal elimination, which will immediately follow this interlude, all living players may vote to eliminate another player via PM sent to me.

I will tally the votes either in

(expired on 2021-09-13 23:00:00)

or when all players have responded. This vote is via PM, but it will not be anonymous. All PTs are locked for this duration.

VC2.0

Player	Votes	Voters
ManateeGal	1	Accusation from Beyond
Not Voting	---	Dunnstral, ssbm_Kyouko, WhemeStar, ManateeGal, Cabd, Lady Lambdadelta, Kate Bishop, Lukewarm, Gamma Emerald

There are 9 alive. The player with the most votes will be eliminated, unless No Elimination is selected. In the case of a tie, whichever of the tieing wagons reached the highest number first will be eliminated.

Oh, and this may be due to me inheriting a part of dgb's role unless somebody else wants to claim it. I am not certain on that.

[Dunnstral]

I think we’re at Cabd/Gamma/(LLD/Dunn)

With Dunn being more likely, imo.

This feels fucking insane.

My favored lim right now is Gamma. Cabd is up there too. LLD is not. In case that wasn't apparent.

I caught the same softs you saw on day 1.

[Dunnstral]

Oh, and this may be due to me inheriting a part of dgb's role unless somebody else wants to claim it. I am not certain on that.

You were able to submit an action from DGB's ability?

No, but it's something that happened during the day, I'm not sure if it's a passive ability I carried into day 2

[Dunnstral]

Hold on, I'd have to select it during the night, so no it wasn't me.

[Dunnstral]

That's either a lie or I visited without my own knowledge due to role.

Just to confirm, you're claiming that I only visited DGB?

[Dunnstral]

Undead Magnet: You are a magnet for the undead, and abilities originating from the dead may find a way to reach you.

This is the part of S_S role that I inherited, except the wording changed so that I am the conduit for abilities originating from the dead

It may be possible that S_S indeed used an ability on DGB which I am not aware of, no feedback on my end

I bring up in 3536 that the extra vote from beyond could have come from GiF. It doesn't really make sense with what I got on my role or with S_S flipped role. The vote would just go to S_S which would be anti-town and it doesn't need to originate from me if it's just a vote. I think the way the ability transformed has some implications about the nature of the abilities the dead can use in that they are likely to be beneficial to the person it is used on.

That or SSBM is lying in mylim. I need to confirm with the mod that my role would show me as the visitor

[Dunnstral]

Come to think of it you should have had some kind of watered down doc power if you inherit non-killing roles, because S_S died before N1
VOTE: Dunn

No I only got the other part of their ability. The undead thing.

[Dunnstral]

the "inherits non-killing roles" sounds believable in this setup but is a bit convenient considering there were 2 deaths last Night. If you just inherited watered-down roles I would have seen you visit both of the dead, so you'd have to claim something that wouldn't have visited Manatee. Part of Manatee's role was a double-vote though, so maybe you would have inherited a 1-shot doublevote or something if you were trueclaiming here. I also feel like with the discussion of gravedigger (the old version of the role that visits the dead passively) earlier in the game that you should have said something about your role potentially milling Trackers on D1

I don't understand?

[Dunnstral]

Manatee didn't die during the night

[Dunnstral]

@dunn- comments?

On the claim?

Doesn't really make sense for like, LLD's role claim. Does he inherit the mind control?
Also I have a problem with Manatee's role becoming backed up.
ALSO he backs up everything instead of the first person to die, and we have double kill on day 1.

The claim seems really sketchy to me, were you thinking back to manatee's claim in the last game?

In this post I highlight a problem with backing up LLD's role (killing role) and Manatee's role (killing role)

[Dunnstral]

Part of Manatee's role was a double-vote though, so maybe you would have inherited a 1-shot doublevote or something if you were trueclaiming here.

That's not how my role works

Titus, sorry

But Titus isn't a killing role

[Dunnstral]

I also feel like with the discussion of gravedigger (the old version of the role that visits the dead passively) earlier in the game that you should have said something about your role potentially milling Trackers on D1

I think you are misunderstanding something, I don't visit people who die

[Dunnstral]

Undead Magnet: You are a magnet for the undead, and abilities originating from the dead may find a way to reach you.

This is the part of S_S role that I inherited, except the wording changed so that I am the conduit for abilities originating from the dead

It may be possible that S_S indeed used an ability on DGB which I am not aware of, no feedback on my end

I bring up in 3536 that the extra vote from beyond could have come from GiF. It doesn't really make sense with what I got on my role or with S_S flipped role. The vote would just go to S_S which would be anti-town and it doesn't need to originate from me if it's just a vote. I think the way the ability transformed has some implications about the nature of the abilities the dead can use in that they are likely to be beneficial to the person it is used on.

That or SSBM is lying in mylim. I need to confirm with the mod that my role would show me as the visitor

[Dunnstral]

Reread my claim?

I did inherit from Titus, undead roles don't target me, I don't auto-visit dead players. I cleared up anonymous vote, that wasn't me

[Dunnstral]

I've gotten Titus, S_S, DGB, but not Manatee (not GiF either).

Can explain the specifics, if needed

.

Why did I see you target DGB, but not Titus last Night?

Because s_s used a dead ability targetting DGB, and it originated from me

...in theory

[Dunnstral]

I get a watered down version of the role, not the original

[Dunnstral]

I don’t see how S_S using ability on DGB = Dunn visiting DGB

Google conduit

[Dunnstral]

okayyy
so what did S_S target DGB with, do you know?

No and I don't even know if he did

[Dunnstral]

I inherited Titus role except I can't get any more points but I get what they had left over, which was 1 by the way. I assume dgb death counted but their own did not.

Dgb role gave me 1 of the 4 dreaming god powers.

[Dunnstral]

I don’t see how S_S using ability on DGB = Dunn visiting DGB

I could see it working that way, but S_S's flipped ability was 2-shot doctor. I would expect the doctor to have stopped the kill if this had happened.

It makes sense that Dunn's role inheritance would not target, similar to how scum doesnt target LLD when they use her to kill. His explanation would be in line with how LLD's role works, but it would seem to me that from S_S's flip, if Dunn inherited the magnet, that Dunn would be the target of the undead abilities, not the "conduit", so to speak

My role says I get a weaker version of their role

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: Something_Smart - Aqua

Hello Something_Smart! You are Aqua from KonoSuba aligned with the

town

!



As Aqua, you are a 2-shot Doctor and an Undead Magnet.

2-shot Doctor: Once per night, you may target a player to heal them. This will protect them from one killing action that night. You may use this ability twice during the game.

Undead Magnet: You are a magnet for the undead, and abilities originating from the dead may find a way to reach you.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Spoiler: DrippingGoofball – Ainz Ooal Gown

Hello DrippingGoofball! You are Ainz Ooal Gown from Overlord, aligned with the

town

!



As Ainz, you are the titular undead Overlord of Nazarick, and must take the lead and determine how best to approach your new situation as a Dreaming God. You have a variety of goals and plans to set into action, although contrary to popular belief you have not necessarily thought far enough ahead to see quite how they will unfold. Each night, you may select one of the below plans to enact. Each may only be used once.

Dreaming God:
-Momon - (Create a false identity)
-Splat - (Show your strength)
-Sasuga Ainz Sama - (Just as planned)
-Swords of Darkness – (Making friends)

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Spoiler: Titus - Sadao Maou

Hello Titus! You are Sadao Maou from Hatarakou Maou Sama, aligned with the

town

!



As Sadao, you are a JOAT, however you begin the game with no abilities.
Whenever a town player dies, you gain 1 point of power from negative emotions, which can be spent at any time to gain 1-shot abilities as below:
-1 point: Neighbouriser
-2 points: Doctor, Roleblocker, Tracker
-3 points: Cop, Bulletproof, Jailkeeper

You cannot multitask.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

@Dunn, are you able to buy Neighborizer with that 1 point? Are you able to multitask since you have multiple abilities from the dead currently? Which Dreaming God power did you receive?

I can use the neighborizer
I can Multitask
I got Sasuga Ainz Sama

[Dunnstral]

We're townreading SSBM, Luke and Wheme.

If we're right on all three, there's one more town in {Cabd, Dunn, LLD, Gamma}

Are these the only players in the game?

[Dunnstral]

We're townreading SSBM, Luke and Wheme.

If we're right on all three, there's one more town in {Cabd, Dunn, LLD, Gamma}

Are these the only players in the game?

And GIF, but I’m hard pressed to believe that role is scum.

I think you're reading into it too much because I think they come back after 1 day.

From my point of view it looks like they placed that vote on Manatee.