Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m here, and I’m ready to ROCK AND ROLL.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna be confusing gif and unwnd avatars all game this is swell.

mwahaha
I have arrived to add EVEN MORE CONFUSION

[Gamma Emerald]

But while you're here, Marci, do you have time to talk about our lord and savior Baja Blast?

Dunno if you’ve seen this but I noticed Taco Bell and Baja Blast mentioned in one post later on and realized if I replaced in I had to mention this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ew anything but code red

As a fan of the original Zombieland movie (clarifying that because of what the theme is) I have a fondness for Twinkies and Code Red (though I haven’t drank Mtn Dew since I started taking my anti-anxiety meds since it’s got grapefruit which can screw with the meds)

Reads coming tonight

p.edit: I am aware it is now Wednesday morning. I need to type a load of things up still so that they exist digitally, with the aim of that being asap

p.edit: Apologies as this has taken longer than I thought but I

will

have everything wrapped up by the end of the day and ready to go

p.edit: It's all there now, just giving some time for a once over and I expect reads to go out in the next 12 hours.

wut

Also the interaction about Kate Bishop on this page feels important but I’m not sure what to make of it yet

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Toogeloo

Their openers as town are usually more distinct, from experience, and tend to relate to their own role or the actual game. Here they talk about the delay but that is it.

How is the delay not “the actual game”? Do you mean something to do with the theme?

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyways, no idea why you've got a bouncer set up at your dance course but whatever let me know when you want to invite me inside.

I already made the first steps.

I'm aware.

So did I.

Just to be clear, does notsci also dabble in the morpholexiconics or whatever it’s called?

[Gamma Emerald]

Jeez I really feel out of the loop to the point that I no longer know what I'm doing

You and unwnd can like, make a washed up grizzled vets club? Then you too can be a broken CO like Hachi or Sensei.

If anyone out there is a fan of both Advance Wars and Celeste I have a hydra idea in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

But yeah do with the info you now have as you will. Seeing how ffery reacts to little giblets in gravy is kind of the new dance meta.

It's became part of the dance meta in 2020. And I think you know that.

Is “dance meta” purely a morpholexiconic thing or does it also have to do with the FG dance games

[Gamma Emerald]

Even Tammy would hear the town paean at this point.

Setting aside the usual obligatory paranoia... yeah, perhaps this is the game where the band gets back together and we get to Xenoblade on some fools.

Hrrrrm. Didn’t this happen already in tarot?

Also, Xenoblade stirs up...complicated...emotions for me rn, so perhaps refrain from direct mention of it.

[Gamma Emerald]

My money is on a paradox-prime like afterlife RIFTSIXIAN DUMP OF HOPE AND PUPPIES.

For reasons mostly being that it would be swell.

I tried to google “paradox prime” to make sense of this particular thing but it turned up nothing particularly relevant looking
Y’all should consult Titus on references that others can actually grasp on some level

[Gamma Emerald]

Well duh I haven’t cobra Kai’d scum yet

There’s still time

OOH OOH
I COBRA KAI’D SCUM MYSELF RECENTLY IN ANOTHER GAME!

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role. I begin the game brainwashed. At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

If I had to give a one-word thought on this post, it would be: hopeful.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role. I begin the game brainwashed. At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

This is a full claim besides my character name which I will happily provide if asked.

My hopes have been dashed against the shores of reality.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role

. I begin the game brainwashed.

At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

Is there any indication on how to remove the brainwashing? If you

begin the game

brainwashed, there is a chance you can break the brainwashing, no?

I had figured it was something she knew about based on that phrasing, that’s why I said I was hopeful; her clarification that it was a full claim busted that theory.

[Gamma Emerald]

Likelihood of Rhia lying about role is zero

JJH adding negative utility to town to fux with them also decently high

Binned

I can probably support this motion

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure why you are already sorting this early, unless you're really excited about something

I have feelings and thoughts but nothing that has left my drafts, mostly

I am excited. This is a game with flavor I love to hate to love and that is directly impacting my willingness to throw caution to the wind. I'm a little soured about the screwover tho.

Plus, haver you SEEN what happens when I hold myself back and let paranoia and self doubt clog me up?

It ends with a random ass peta alt styling on me while I tunnel Town Pooky to death.

DAMN, peta been putting on a clinic recently apparently

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote: Toogaloo

Actually scum. I wasn't sure before, the opening was bad but the impassioned plea was good.

But that's kind of mask off paranoia creation at inception that scum does to reduce confidence in town reads.

This is some next level reading I can’t begin to comprehend rn. Would you like to break this down for simple old me? You can ignore this if you’ve done so already.

[Gamma Emerald]

LLD, I expressed you shouldn't be town read easily, you think I suck for that and vote me. It's not letter of the law omgus, but pretty darn close. You feel slighted because I questioned why someone else pocketed you.

I know you know better than this. I recognize you're now backpedaling for an answer to make it fit, but I know you know better than this.

This dies today. No questions. Cabd?

This, however, registers completely.

[Gamma Emerald]

I recently learned of this thing, its called "crumbing" and I thought I would try it out sometime.

As someone who crumbs most games, I find it a fun way to help me think about how I word my posts. Most times I word vomit though.

Not sure if I’ve ever really seen crumbing this way
Perhaps you could tell me more, if not now, then in the future?

[Gamma Emerald]

Dang I now feel bad because I feel like there are hella amount of neg utility thrown in to justify balance for my role.

hrrrrrrrmmm
I saw something about S_S walking back some of what unwnd said/implied. Something tells me we’ve got another Saber situation on our hands.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh wait that was GIF
SCRATCH THAT

[Gamma Emerald]

+1 to thinking the whole luke situation is weird

.......

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay LLD you have my vote

I kinda wanna burn the Easily Compliants (Wheme, Manatee)

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you nervous or intimidated by me or the playerlist in general? Honest answer

part of this playlist im kinda nervous and intimidated by yeah, but the other part of the playerlist im comfortable with.

Is that intimidation more so

You're worried of being fooled by them/can't read them

Or something else? You had a minor thought about me so I'm curious how you're treating this engagement

sorta intimidation maybe?
dont tell anyone since its kinda embarrassing for me to admit this

Spoiler:

im scared my reasonings for stuff will be seen as "not valid" "not good" "dumb reasoning" which is why i've been in general.. a really bad player in some of the games ive been playing lately.
i know where this stems from, but i cant stop thinking along these lines.

when i play games with my friend group they usually shit on my reasoning, and my reasoning usually falls apart quite easily.. this has been happening for awhile now, and its just really worn down my confidence to even attempt to say things. i dont wanna be seen as stupid.

Sometimes my logic can get a little wild too, and it’s okay to be unsure. Also, what do you mean by them shitting on your reasoning because those sound like fake friends ngl

[Gamma Emerald]

Also ssbm hasn't posted yet.

i know, but she doesnt make me nervous because she knows how i play > i dont think she'll completely drag on me for being an idiot

That wasn't at you.

I'd just like everybody to post before the day ends because lol Tarot.

Me being unable to post left me dead in the water wtf are you on about
(Yes I’m still salty cabd sussed me over literal jack-shit)

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma how much of the game did you read before you repped in?

I skimmed from a certain point around when unwnd repped out, because I saw something that initially ired me and wanted to keep tabs on it, it turned out not what I thought because I missed a crucial detail

[Gamma Emerald]

i have a second vote. placing it on a player that doesnt get elimed kills them.
placing it on a player that does get elim gives me a vig shot.
not placing it kills a random townie at night.

i knew i didnt want to not place it and i knew i wanted 2 keep the rest under wraps hence my original claim

This feels logical
Still not a fan of how shallow manatee has felt so far, not a lot of original thought detected from her so far

[Gamma Emerald]

(Yes I’m still salty cabd sussed me over literal jack-shit)

He was scum that game

Idk who “he” is but you must not have the right game because you’re wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

(Yes I’m still salty cabd sussed me over literal jack-shit)

He was scum that game

Gammas talking about Tarot where Skittermena buddy slipped

Yeah and then didn’t actually let on that that was what fucking happened

[Gamma Emerald]

that's certainly put a damper on discussion.

I don’t know about thaaaat

[Gamma Emerald]

Needlessly categorized reads

Role

LLD
Manatee

Obligatory townread

GIF

Lazy af townread(s)

Cabd

Sheeping my townread(s)

Dunn (Town)
DGB (Leaning Town)

Intentionally not giving reads for various reasons

Kate Bishop

If I townread this now I'm admitting to being too lazy for this game

marcistar

They'll prob sort themselves sooner (& considering just calling it TvT to piss people off for fun)

unwnd
Lukewarm

Leftovers

Kyouko
WhemeStar

First vote of the day

VOTE: Toogeloo

ngl these reads seem pretty solid
Cabd and Kate Bishop get a special “YTYD” tier for me in the townread region for now though

[Gamma Emerald]

I just read the dead thread of Tarot and I have never been madder at anybody than I am at skitter and menalque rn
I am so lucky I’m home alone rn because I am a fuming ball of boiling hot rage atp
I’ve played with people who know how to kayfabe before and the way they mishandled that situation was so utterly abominable I cannot contain myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I ACTUALLY finished reading it and my boiling rage is starting to cool into a jagged blade of hatred pointed at one person: MENALQUE.
His response to cabd’s criticism was to blow him off, so obviously he still thinks he did nothing wrong. I fucking hope he rolls scum against me soon because I want to BURY him.

[Gamma Emerald]

I also feel like fucking shit for how I treated Marci and prism was 100% right to call me out on that

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you nervous or intimidated by me or the playerlist in general? Honest answer

part of this playlist im kinda nervous and intimidated by yeah, but the other part of the playerlist im comfortable with.

Is that intimidation more so

You're worried of being fooled by them/can't read them

Or something else? You had a minor thought about me so I'm curious how you're treating this engagement

sorta intimidation maybe?
dont tell anyone since its kinda embarrassing for me to admit this

Spoiler:

im scared my reasonings for stuff will be seen as "not valid" "not good" "dumb reasoning" which is why i've been in general.. a really bad player in some of the games ive been playing lately.
i know where this stems from, but i cant stop thinking along these lines.

when i play games with my friend group they usually shit on my reasoning, and my reasoning usually falls apart quite easily.. this has been happening for awhile now, and its just really worn down my confidence to even attempt to say things. i dont wanna be seen as stupid.

Sometimes my logic can get a little wild too, and it’s okay to be unsure. Also, what do you mean by them shitting on your reasoning because those sound like fake friends ngl

Are you really posing questions to your own slot?

No, I’m trying to be nice
If Marci wants she can answer that question after the game ends

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyone you do townread?

Maybe DGB.

Why? I don't recall dropping town tells.

You're the one person who called him town. 109

myeah that’s jank

[Gamma Emerald]

Imagine your predecessor saying something weird that you wish you could ask them to explain. That'd be wacky.

You’d better not be implying that to be the case
I made that post as an emotional outreach and to paint it as anything else is to mess with a half-asleep dragon.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d be willing to vote Wheme
He gives off a remarkably similar vibe to that one time we were scum together

[Gamma Emerald]

MG paying close attention to the game to OCD-pagetop but avoiding content.

Also mindlessly agreeing with others incessantly

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d be willing to vote Wheme
He gives off a remarkably similar vibe to that one time we were scum together

What game are you referring to?

A large normal, I think number 217 was it
It was modded by Ircher

[Gamma Emerald]

I HAVE CAUGHT UP

DUNNSTRAL IS MY STRONGEST TOWN READ

VOTE: Kate bishop

Sry ffery

You caught up and those are your only reads?
(probably not actually but this doesn’t sit well with me)

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah yes, I fell for your classic blunder

You got us!

Pack it up boys time to concede

No but seriously, if you're town I don't see a good reason to tank myself onto you when I'm much more convinced of Toog beign scum.

And if you're scum, I don't see a reason to try and kill you, lose my momentum and have people like Cabd decide that you're not dying today.

I'm uninterested in either outcome, since they're both bad for me, and thus, the town.

So I'm denying the gambit. I'm happy to piledrive Toog into the ground and dust him before moving on.

I would stake this entire game on LLD being town
There’s none of the twisted shit I sensed in Wall Street Bets, it’s all pure reads and fury

[Gamma Emerald]

Some of us don’t get their kicks off being nasty. Clearly not a universal belief.

I am here to tell you: someone on this site ABSOLUTELY gets a joyride off of making others suffer needlessly. And the person they are targeting is one of my closest friends on this site, perhaps the closest now that the former holder of that title did the one thing you never do to me, which is to drive the knife in twice. One betrayal of my emotions or standards I can handle, the second is when things go personal. Depending on who the Breaker of Malos is, will determine how much ire I will feel once I have them pinned to the fucking wall.

[Gamma Emerald]

hi mr emerald

full reads list with explanations pls

I’d be willing to vote Wheme
He gives off a remarkably similar vibe to that one time we were scum together

What game are you referring to?

A large normal, I think number 217 was it
It was modded by Ircher

I found it. It was 213

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=76567

What feels the same to you?

I have not done any meta on him before this, but I just skimmed that iso and don't see it.

If anything, it makes me second guess my read on him :/

He feels like he’s a rag doll floating through the thread

[Gamma Emerald]

Meh
I really feel like I’m onto something, sure the actions themselves differ but that vibe I mentioned feels the same

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote us then.

Nah, I've got bigger scummier fish to fry. Besides, if you ARE scum with Toog, it's gonna be way harder to kill you today in this town and you know that.

If anything, you saying this is the one thing I expected you to do as scum, because it's better for you here.

But I'm pretty happy to deny your gambit, as one might say.

I HAVE CAUGHT UP

DUNNSTRAL IS MY STRONGEST TOWN READ

VOTE: Kate bishop

Sry ffery

No no no. Not the time. Toog first. I want a full claim from NewspaperBear

AYE AS UR ONE AND ONLY 2 HANDED SWORD I DO AS YOU WISH

VOTE: TOOG

Okay this vibes different tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Like, it reads as an excitable puppy

[Gamma Emerald]

I read the whole game front to back, not just Toog's part in it (he died N2) because I'm a masochist.

How do you EVEN

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe my attention span/dedication just sucks but I’ve probably never read an already-completed game all the way through if it was 100+ pages

[Gamma Emerald]

I still intend to take some time away from this game and hopefully let my temper chill. Seeing all the shit I put up with in that game and managed not to yell, scream and/or replace out really brings home how much less tolerance for slings and arrows I have these days.

Seeya when I'm in a better mood.

This isn't a soft, slings and arrows just reminded me of this and seemed appropriate for the mood

I got my own Bulletproof on my mafia music playlist (link in my sig! Yes it’s a lot of video game music, I’m not the only one who likes to listen to it yaknow)

[Gamma Emerald]

Do you have any reads yet?

not really yet, do u?

can u restate then? idk maybe im just not understanding/forgetting.
the only thing i can really tell is what ur read on me is

Maybe I'm just looking for a reason to TR marci but I forgot about this quickly on my first read because I got distracted by trying to figure out what Cabd meant by Firebringer in his TRs right after reading it. But I feel like this is town Marci

[Gamma Emerald]

And then can we kill DGB for not wanting to kill this terrible claim

Your claim is waaayyyyyyy worse, why don't I want to kill yoooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Yours is literally the scummiest claim I've seen.

But lot of players have weird, confirmable roles in the game.

=========================

The pagetop game has been really old and tedious and unfunny for years now. It's game and iso pollution.

what
maybe the claim isn’t perfect, I think the concern of it being a cover-up is legit in a way (in my last UPick there was a role that wanted to make the night kill), but by play Rhiannon is a shining beacon of towniness shining upon the thread. And she has a point in how Toog’s vague claim should never have gotten a pass from you, what with your signature.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I think I can let Cabd out of the YTYD cage and into my actual TRs

[Gamma Emerald]

Also the emotional output regarding LLD’s role feels super genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

“YTYD”

?

“You TENET You Die”
Basically, if I sense malicious force from someone that looks like trying to run a game like what happened in TENET, I’m gonna put every fiber of my being into making sure their dead body hits the floor before mine.
That especially goes to anyone in the Cabd circle of friends

[Gamma Emerald]

I pushed Cabd “D2” but not hard enough to make it register to others after I got NKed

[Gamma Emerald]

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

I still wanna know what “mask off paranoia” means

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't think this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

This seems to be a clear case of Redemption Equals Death (or vice versa)

[Gamma Emerald]

Toogeloo doesn't like that some people are binning LLD for her claim of being brainwashed. He thinks it's possible she's scum claiming this because she intends to perform all of the kills

I can't scumread Toogeloo for thinking the first thing that came to my mind when I read LLD's claim.

I figured there may be a lot of whack roles in the game and I'm letting pass for now, but I can't say I like it.

I decided to develop my reads as if this was mountainous, and not rely on role claims.

Myeeeaaaah this doesn’t jive right for some reason

[Gamma Emerald]

Like sure I brought that up too but she’s absolutely positively town, even beyond the Cabd Clause

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I brought up the excuse to kill thing is what I mean

[Gamma Emerald]

I gave some thought on this and decided that I shouldn't have even claimed I had a confirmable role. I'm going to not claim anything extra in regards to my role, and that some players just want blood early and will twist any statement to fill a narrative in their head. The only thing that might save me is my full claim, but I'm not giving it because if people can't realize they snap judged a comment or really think I'm so big a threat they want me out Day 1, then I'm not going to hinge survival on the role claim. In my opinion I've done nothing scummy, but obviously people see things differently. I'd rather just be eliminated in silence and hope town can win without my role.

Oh I don’t wanna hear ANY carping about Toog’s eventual death
This way of taking your ball and going home is just not something you can come back from indignant. Toog made bold strokes about being confirmable and then backed down when that wasn’t enough to convince people. LLD is 100% right that Toog and DGB both need to die because DGB not getting this is beyond what I’d ever expect it to do as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

You ever just forget you have a surefire way to read someone
I have never once missed at reading unwnd when I’ve used the beeboy meta mold on him, so I’m probably gonna try to re-analyze his posts with that in mind

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah unwnd is locktown for me

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't think this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

This seems to be a clear case of Redemption Equals Death (or vice versa)

What does RED mean?

It means the only way to absolve yourself of your bad actions (such as being a puppet for the bad guy) is to die

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'm town.

You need to do a better job sticking to your values, then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'm town.

You need to do a better job sticking to your values, then.

How is DGB not sticking to values?

DGB’s thing about scum taking forever to make good fake claims. Were DGB town I’d have expected it to hound Toog about his partial claim until he nailed something down.

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't think this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

This seems to be a clear case of Redemption Equals Death (or vice versa)

What does RED mean?

It means the only way to absolve yourself of your bad actions (such as being a puppet for the bad guy) is to die

So when you say "this" seems to be a clear case of RED or vice versa - what do you mean by "this"?

Did you mean LLD's claimed role, or did you mean the hypothetical I posited in 619 where it is possible LLD could break the brainwash by being forced to kill herself by the scum

"puppeteering"

ability

The hypothetical in 619

[Gamma Emerald]

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

smh

[Gamma Emerald]

Also fwiw Menalque stepped away from the site for a while as he realized his anger and burnout wasn't mentally healthy.

Keyfabe or not, dude was just ANGRY.

Eh. Dudes never struck me as particularly strong scum. Tbh though I’m probably mostly just mad I directed my feelings towards Marci when she was just broken up by what happened there as I was.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also this app, is it open to the public or what

[Gamma Emerald]

Should my bias tell me that Lukewarm changing his status to afk after we got into our scuffle is bad news

Is it bad that I town binned unwnd for this post alone?

Spoiler:

exaggeration. I was already leaning town on him with our earlier interaction, but this did kinda put it over the top

Like, when I saw that, I wanted to town bin him. Because that tells me that he was genuinely suspicious of me of he was checking something like that.

Doubly so, since he did not then use that to push me.

It just seems weird for scum!unwnd to be checking that unless he planned on trying to push me out.

I personally like his energy surrounding what happened in Bloodstained (I also specced a bit of that)

[Gamma Emerald]

If she's lying about her role (which should be very easily confirmable) we yeet her.
But until then double day is incredibly useful for town so we should just abuse it.
It's really that simple.

If I have my druthers, you and Dunn will be instrumental in guiding what manatee does with her abilities today.

Cabd seems like other stuff is occupying his mental gamespace right now.

Manatee should check in and go over what they want to do with their role now

Last that was heard they wanted to use it to hammer and shoot somebody at night, but using it during the day seems better

yeah agree

[Gamma Emerald]

I know ffery said it yesterday but DGB's my favorite this game. I am cackling at her posts.

And with that, the assorted footnotes on our DGB read get the strikethrough treatment.

In large normal 235 I felt like I could townread DGB warts and all despite having some questions about individual posts
I don’t feel like I can do that here, which sure I also misread it in Radio Buzz but it had bad interactions with my PoE, and it’s maybe feeling like the same things is happening here a slight bit but with other things I find more objectionable than that

[Gamma Emerald]

{Cabd, Rhiannon}
{Something_Smart}
{Kate Bishop} {Dunnstral, GuyInFreezer}
{ssbm_Kyouko, ManateeGal}
{Lukewarm}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus*, DrippingGoofball}

This is probably where my heads at rn. The top townreads are basically locked for the duration of the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus has an asterisk because I only have an opinion on Toog rn, not her

[Gamma Emerald]

Tho I should have done same for S_S actually

[Gamma Emerald]

why is lukewarm getting flak?

Why’d you ask this?

[Gamma Emerald]

your S_S read is intriguing.

These reads are as of a certain page in the game? If so, what page do they tie to?

They were sparked as a result of the last post I made before it, so ig that one

[Gamma Emerald]

Page 34 to be clear

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm willing to be swayed. I think her pop-ins do very little to me. She has that same attitude of scum who think pretending to scumhunt means you produce trivial questions. It's just looking inquisitive, but not actually being.

I've been waiting for Kyouko to have her Eureka moment and it still hasn't happened.

I’ve also been waiting to see kyouko shine out

[Gamma Emerald]

So far Toog and dgb are my top scum reads, but I don't think that they make sense as partners because dgb came out and explicitly townread toog not long ago. Might go back and find it

This is an interesting thought process
What about DGB’s townread seems non-partnered?

[Gamma Emerald]

Cabd is being hush but whatver

If I were a dayvig with one shot, I'd probably have hipshot unwnd for the two-post reaction format to the dayguilty thing.

but this game is going to be won on consensus building and there's no "easy" three man scumteam. I don't want the Annie or Cephtd of this game getting away from me while I'm alive.

Yeah I also feel like team-building at this stage is pretty difficult
But in those cases I pretty much try to hit the nexus of my suspicions enough times until the puzzle falls into place for me

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm struggling with this manatee claim the more I look at it.

The initial claim is that it kills a random townie if it's not on the Lim wagon.

Then it's clarified that it kills the person it's on if they aren't the Lim wagon.

Then it's further clarified that it's once again a random player if the vote isn't placed at all.

That bugged me too.

I don't know why people are bothered about Manatee's role still.

Maybe it's

ALL THE LIES

Again, they are both taking a stance that feels bad, but also I don't think they would be this blatantly buddying / agreeing with one another if they are partnered.

You might be onto something. I noted a similar thing about Sircakez+battle mage in Among Us

[Gamma Emerald]

unwnd claimed a daycop guilty on you. Thoughts?

I think that never happened lol

If it did, then I assume its a gambit, because I had unwnd pegged for town before I left

I didn't murder the victim.

But If I did, here's how I did it.

Eh the reaction looks natural
(which I’m also probably gonna take notes on because I kinda suck at reacting to such things naturally)

[Gamma Emerald]

I say this sincerely

This will not be the game I try to influence

I am in spectator mode

Kay.

Should we all just not try? Just give the fuck up and play this game on autopilot?

You have to realize as town there's nothing more demotivating than this, right? Like I just don't want to play this game anymore now.

I'm sitting here on top of a role PM that is literal misery and heartbreak, on top of not getting to do any night play, and I'm putting on a brave face and trying. When I see this, what am I meant to think? That I'm trying for nothing? That I should just quit because it'll all be the same anyway?

I'm so tired. I'm so done.

Idk these type of games I feel like its sheep cabd/lld and if theyre wrong kill them off.

-_-
In general yes that’s probably how you handle those two but in this game I think they’ve both become rather obvtown so any word at all about offing them for being wrong comes off as treasonous

[Gamma Emerald]

Whoops left that LLD quote there
I was gonna point to that as further proof of her town emotional direction, but felt doing it unsolicited was overzealous and decided against it, but since I quoted it might as well

[Gamma Emerald]

This whole day's trajectory feels like a matter of when, not if

So how much long do we want to prolong it?

I got this feeling like 15 pages ago

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm just waiting for the right game to break out the sarcastic approach to spam checklist meme to bring back the peak 2013 cringe

I know I’ve seen the checklist before but where

[Gamma Emerald]

You know you want to help me kill luke Cabd.

I feel like I’ve been vibing with Luke’s thought process to some extent so he maybe deserves a bump up in the earlier read list
Tho I also vibed with scum!ceph in Radio Buzz so actually no

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually hate that theory tbh.

Because 1, it is broken as hell.

and 2, she never would have claimed it? Like, that role as claimed on a traitor would just never use the second vote, and let the "kill a random townie" part activate every day

This is valid
Manatee can’t be scum without some fudge in the claim otherwise that’s just not a fair role to anybody

[Gamma Emerald]

im sorry but i feel like i ask alot of questions regardless :shrug:

I felt this

[Gamma Emerald]

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

Radio Buzz was as easy as it being House/Roden/Ceph
The meta these days is for scum teams to struggle, which was why I found bloodstained kinda interesting as I spectated it

[Gamma Emerald]

Manatee, why do you town read me so strongly?

hmm. i think ur early role shenanigans w unwnd were in the space between nonsenical and understandable that only comes from town. I hard agree with your reads, so despite being a bit paranoid im pretty confident our same thought processes r both town.

Okay yeah I’m kinda thinking manatee and luke are just town here

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

I want this answered btw.
A good counterargument to this statement will only bolster your scumcase on Toog so it's a win-win!

I hate assuming people are being spiteful as town
I had the one incident where I took FG’s vote on me super-personally and since then I’ve felt very averse to assuming people are doing things out of a negative place personally

[Gamma Emerald]

Have you actively confirmed that it affects the counts needed for votes, though?

Yeah. I will be considered as if I am not in the game.

I think a mechanic like this existed in SU2 mafia (blast to the past, and I didn’t even play in that)

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'm town.

You need to do a better job sticking to your values, then.

How is DGB not sticking to values?

DGB’s thing about scum taking forever to make good fake claims. Were DGB town I’d have expected it to hound Toog about his partial claim until he nailed something down.

Toog claimed. Toog's claim was weird but so was everyone else's.

Myself, I was irritated with being scumread and my own thoughts were to refuse to claim to punish players' bad reads of me.

I cannot humanly bleed more green than I do in this. It's literally impossible. I've never been this townie, and I'll never again be this townie. So I take every scumread as a personal insult to my town game.

Were you also bleeding green when you baited out the actual town doctor with your shitty bodyguard claim in Radio Buzz? This is like half-serious because the cases feel similar but I also just super-dislike how you thought that was an okay claim to make in the moment

[Gamma Emerald]

Well the good news is that I had epiphany.

I’m trying to pick 3 out of {WhemeStar, Toogeloo, Lukewarm, and DGB}.
And then I realized, gasp.

Why don’t I just lim them all?
If the game doesn’t end with that we yeet manatee.

Goddddd why are we mindmelding so hard
(Tho I don’t really feel like Luke and manatee are as suspicious rn)

[Gamma Emerald]

I originally wanted to pick characters from Inuyasha, because it was the only isekai anime I had ever seen before, but apparently it is not technically an isekai, and so my picks were not accepted.

I submitted Inuyasha picks as well, but I also submitted 2 other animes with picks from those. I was not told that Inuyasha wasn't eligible, although I was told Amphibia and The Owl House were since they are Western. Inuyasha is an Isekai however, so I would disagree with that ruling.

If I’d had the ability to pick idk what my other would have been but I’d wager one of them would have been something from Cautious Hero and maybe Bofuri

[Gamma Emerald]

I needed to get it through you 'alls thick skulls that I was town. I thought chances of a CC were small.

You probably could have just refuted my Cephrir townread there and things would’ve ended up a lot better

[Gamma Emerald]

I dunno.

could be a fishing expedition?

fuck what game was it that that was a thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Aside from LLD and Cabd my reads are still very much fluid

[Gamma Emerald]

I needed to get it through you 'alls thick skulls that I was town. I thought chances of a CC were small.

You probably could have just refuted my Cephrir townread there and things would’ve ended up a lot better

Everyone scumread me, I had zero credibility and time was running out.

I mostly landed on you because my townreads were getting pushed over my actual scumspects. The move in that scenario would have been to explain how I was wrong. I was already skeptical of my reasoning for TRing Cephrir.

[Gamma Emerald]

On the other hand you have players that aren't wagonable despite not being particularly townie, and for whom all is forgiven.

Are kyouko/GIF/Kate all in this group for you?

[Gamma Emerald]

yea i am fine w toog going

Vote me then.

oh yes totally to let u hammer before ive laid down my second vote

You already have your first vote on DGB. That means your second vote will be on me. By your role definition, if I were to self hammer you would have a vig shot tonight.

This just does not seem like a town approach
The consensus has been to use the double vote as an extra day elim vs. a vig shot and then Toog posts this winner of a post suggesting Manatee use it as a vig shot while on the surface not comprehending that if manatee doesn’t cast the second vote at all a random townie would die

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog claimed they didn't read the past 20 pages. So why did they add Luke to their scumreads?

Did the Wise Man’s Snare catch yet another scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

That question is rhetorical FYI

[Gamma Emerald]

The LIES refer to how the claim kept shifting.

I think the word you’re looking for is “developing”
I don’t think manatee backtracked any details regarding the claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Thinking about it Luke bussing Toog + DGB feels like a logical conclusion when you consider how FGO 2 went
This is not to say I think that’s the case yet but it makes sense Luke would emulate peta’s play

[Gamma Emerald]

You know, for someone who has been out of the thread for over 12 hours and 600 posts, you sure did happen to land on the exact posts you needed to make a point just now huh?

Like, dgb. You made 831 at 12 pm est.

Than your next post is 1418 at 12:30 am. So 587 posts and 12.5 hours later.

And within 10 mins you were making a point that I was scum, using posts 1176 and 1239. Posts from hundreds of posts after your 831 and also hundreds of posts before your retunr in 1418.

So, have you been reading along but not making content? Or did you just catch up on all of those posts you missed, and those were the only ones you felt like weighing in on?

Oh no.

Or are you only interested in pointing out the people you think you can discredit?

Yes. I am looking at people whose reads don't feel natural or sincere. Yours is the worst because I read it like a

conclusion in search of reasons

.

I find it strange that Kyouko's read is "secret" - I am catching up and I haven't gotten there yet.

I see it is the much stranger that you are in the middle of catching up, and just happened to land directly at the posts you needed to make your point. Good to know

I s2g if there’s a 2-for-1 special on the Wise Man’s Snare...

[Gamma Emerald]

And I didn't SKIP

400

posts, I read them, but there were like 15? 20? more pages, I didn't bother commenting on the more stale posts.

What's your problem? Is that your idea of a scum case? That I'm a slapdash reader?

Okay this feels pretty genuine

[Gamma Emerald]

I needed to get it through you 'alls thick skulls that I was town. I thought chances of a CC were small.

You probably could have just refuted my Cephrir townread there and things would’ve ended up a lot better

Everyone scumread me, I had zero credibility and time was running out.

I mostly landed on you because my townreads were getting pushed over my actual scumspects. The move in that scenario would have been to explain how I was wrong. I was already skeptical of my reasoning for TRing Cephrir.

Would you have listened

I didn't know you were town

Yes
I feel like at times I was practically begging to be refuted wrt Cephrir

[Gamma Emerald]

On the other hand you have players that aren't wagonable despite not being particularly townie, and for whom all is forgiven.

Are kyouko/GIF/Kate all in this group for you?

Could you pls answer this

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay apparently I'm the only one thinking that lmao

I am thinking about some things regarding manatee’s claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Unwnd why do u scumread me talk to me

also I read 5 ssbm’s isos and they play the same fcking way every game why can’t people have drastic differences in scum and town game

You must have been reading the wrong games

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey LLD I also said I think it’s a scum role!

Mind meld!!!!!

Lots of people said that, you ain’t special

[Gamma Emerald]

are you gonna attempt to engage positively dgb?

My death is a foregone conclusion so A RESOUNDING NO and here's your excuse to strut your stuff on the catwalk of shame as you all kill each other with your negative utility BS roles.

This is why you end up miseliminated. Not because you do things that are scummy but because you shut out attempts to engage with you genuinely. I see I was 100% in my right mind with my approach in LN 235, but I can’t play that way here when you give me nothing towny to go on initially.

[Gamma Emerald]

I intend to kill manatee tomorrow upon a DGB green flip!

hnnnnnggghhhh
Manatee Is like a breakdown of how the double elim portion of you role works

[Gamma Emerald]

Manatee

You and unwnd both, it seems.

You might have to add me to the list

[Gamma Emerald]

btw I highly doubt that manatee is groupscum because if she was she would’ve not claimed about the second vote that she didn’t have to show.

Yeah this is why I think if manatee is scum or certain 3P roles the random townie death has to be bunk

Also I do like that manatee has been approaching DGB the same way I have, but I’m not sure what I’m actually seeing in the mirror rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog needs to be ejected because his role is a bit contradictory to what mine does, so either there's crazy overlap or I'm missing something.

I don't know why you'd suggest (assuming you still believe Toog is scum), that I'd be bussing him LLD.

0_0

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d call lolcatting but Toog is probably just generally checked out of the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Cabd scum!

This does not track rn

[Gamma Emerald]

(I'm here, but staying out of it as this is helpful data without me muddying. LLD, any other thoughts at this moment? Manatee, I think it's getting close to Fire Emblem Awakening Fredrick-ing time)

my playthrough of FE:A has kinda stagnated after having gotten through the first arc
Trying to get Olivia to some point of survivability is a slog
Though I’m not playing any 3DS games for a few months rn

[Gamma Emerald]

haven't* tried.

There has been zero incentive for me to effort.

If you kick and scream until the bitter end you get to make some folks feel guilty and bad.
If you roll over and croak nobody will feel bad.

I am all for the guilt and shame.

I don’t want to see kicking and screaming. I want to see genuine attempt to play mafia like a team game

[Gamma Emerald]

I have started drinking so I may be drunk posting soon..,

Who is your nullest null read, and what are you imbibing?

What does imbiling mean

And I have way too many

Unwnd giffy stand out too me

Why was gif in your null pile?

[Gamma Emerald]

If it ain’t broken don’t fix it

Except you have to have some personal agency when you think there’s a chance town’s being driven off a cliff. With LLD as null and Cabd as scum, why is that not a concern to you? It seems more like you’re content to let others take the blame for miseliminations here.

[Gamma Emerald]

My first underage (don't tell) drink I went onto forums and pretended to be drunk in the exact same way after having like 3 sips of beer

Then you grow up and realize talkfvndn liekt THIS is not actually what drunk people do

I feel like I post as if I’m in a constant state of inebriation with how some of my grammar is

[Gamma Emerald]

I intend to kill manatee tomorrow upon a DGB green flip!

hnnnnnggghhhh
Manatee Is like a breakdown of how the double elim portion of you role works

Double elim portion of whose role?

Manatee
I dunno what exactly I’m looking for but something feels potentially askew

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk how town ffery scumreads me here but I am probably giving people 2 much credit in how well they can read me

How much effort did you put into other town games with ffery/LLD/cabd

[Gamma Emerald]

Manatee is like a breakdown of how the double elim portion of [[manatee's]] role works??

Please explain this sentence to me

Is = I’d

[Gamma Emerald]

He said the first thing he unlocks is the neighborizor, and that would be confirmable.

So not confirmable now, but would be at some point in the future?

That doesn't confirm his role. It confirms his role has a neighbourizer stored somewhere within it.

Again, this is not what Confirmable means. And certainly not what he intoned when he said it was confirmable.

The claim doesn't match what he's saying.

Glad to see this sentiment elsewhere. This was one of my first thoughts, that the claim did not match the previous softs

I find it deeply ironic Titus replaced in for Toog of all people

[Gamma Emerald]

Ffery if someone is the “worst” player in the lobby what are your thoughts on that person sheeping others?

I'm not 100% against it by any means.

I've followed players I respect before. I do my best to get a solid read of the player first.

And I'm more likely to follow someone after they were right when I was wrong a few spectacular times.

And I try to learn what they were seeing that I wasn't.

And I occasionally get burned.

If you're following a Cabd or an LLD I hope it's with the intention to learn and get to a place where you're comfortable playing based on your own game thoughts.

I pretty much have game where I lead and games where I follow, and it probably is dictated by what the playerlist is
I can’t recount any specific examples but I also feel like it’s possible for me to switch modes

[Gamma Emerald]

oh. its basically a dayvig activated by my second vote

How would it interact with roles that would screw with the elim?

[Gamma Emerald]

I intend to kill manatee tomorrow upon a DGB green flip!

hnnnnnggghhhh
Manatee Is like a breakdown of how the double elim portion of you role works

Manatee, I'd like a breakdown of how the double elim portion of your role works

Got it. Given the Kate quote, my first reading was

Manatee is like a breakdown of house the double elim portion of [[Kate's]] role works

Which, made my mind race. Because, like Kate claimed a gated role, but not how they were gated, and so that read like you knew more about how Kate's role was gated then existed in the thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

P.S sorry for bribing up RC cabd and making the comparison

was there some Cabd/RC beef I never heard of?

[Gamma Emerald]

So one skill I managed to develop in the past few months is I’ve actually figured out how to read the thread during the night phase and actually synthesize what I’m reading (as opposed to in Smoke-Filled Antechamber where the night put my reading to a halt). And one thing I determined doing that this game you should NEVER have voted out S_S like that. There was a few things I found vaguely problematic towards the tail end of unwnd’s time in the game but for the most part the beeboy readability litmus test was indicating unwnd!town and S_S was nowhere to close to his scumrange imo.

I'd probably vote wheme atm but I figure talking things out a bit might be smarter for now
I snap voted manatee because I was still suspicious of her role not functioning exactly as she stated, I changed my mind later to wheme but I think I either wasn't allowed to switch or was supposed to PM the switch because I'd had a notes PT I posted my changed vote in.

btw my core townblock is still LLD+cabd, I'd also determined DGB to be town after seeing its entire progression into wanting to be eliminated, but it's dead now so too little too late

[Gamma Emerald]

huge, huge huge TENET vibes.

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Gamma Emerald]

this irony is like a milkshake, so thick and delicious

[Gamma Emerald]

It is utterly laughable that Kate is trying to frame up Cabd on trumped-up charges of playing to the TENET scumgame when based on what I read through the night it would 100% be Kate who is pulling those strings in this game. Cabd had already towntold for me enough to exit the box of BoP, Kate however had not, and despite having allegedly read Radio Buzz Kate pushed S_S because of BS about how he wasn't claiming like he should. The vibe I got off of S_S was NOTHING like how he felt in Radio Buzz. In that game, he felt like a fly trapped in a spider's web, there was still some signs of life but he was basically pinned down from the start. Here he felt much more invigorated, like he actually had purpose.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't understand the Manatee kill at all

Once Titus flipped at the end of the night what happened was pretty clear :/

it took me a second but yeah I also pretty much realized manatee had to have misread her role PM

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't understand the Manatee kill at all

Once Titus flipped at the end of the night what happened was pretty clear :/

it took me a second but yeah I also pretty much realized manatee had to have misread her role PM

Then why was your vote on her?

explained above: I tried to change it but I submitted my changed vote in my notes PT vs. via PM so it was missed/not counted

[Gamma Emerald]

cabd how sure are you about the wording of that?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll admit I probably didn't help but I'm not the droid Cabd is looking for.
I was hoping he'd answer my question before I had to make this clear because depending on how open-ended his info is it might just be a scumclaim

[Gamma Emerald]

so we should at least all claim whether or not we are one of those two
if one is absent cabd is confscum, no?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait they are? I thought Gamma was unwnd

Who is Unwnd

unwnd was replaced by S_S, who was miselimmed for shit reasons

[Gamma Emerald]

my head hurts because I'm pretty sure I let myself get pocketed pretty bad and the only things that saved me from fucking up was a forked up fakeclaim
I CANNOT BELIEVE CABD ENDED UP GETTING CABD CLAUSE'D I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAN RIGHT NOW

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is that you saying you are not Shiro?

yes
I am not Sora either

[Gamma Emerald]

People know I am Katie from Spider Desu Ka.

I kinda didn't know that (I knew you were katia but not what you were from)
What I DO know is why the brainwashing thing made me feel very squishy

[Gamma Emerald]

it seems pretty clear the dead still have a hand in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah I was responding to Gamma first time lol

what about what I said was wtf lol-worthy

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll claim after Dunn

I'd like you to claim first tbh
while I'm not judging you as harshly you still should have been able to tell S_S was wayyyyy offf from his Radio Buzz scumgame

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the hell does kyouko get a say?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why the hell does kyouko get a say?

Because my homework says she does.

What homework, because mine says there’s a bunch of poison worms that probably want to stick together. You both landed on S_S despite having knowledge of how he played, why should either of you be trusted? This is triggering my number one pet peeve, which is misplaced authority.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes yes we know the entirety of your play today is undermine Kate

I’ll solve all your problems in one simple chart when I’m back from dinner!

And thus the tell gets burned to the ground

WHAT. TELL.
I’m being 100% genuine here so any attempts to gaslight will be met with a brimstone onslaught.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, if I’m scum how am I burning anything? Just because I manipulated it to my ends once doesn’t mean the principle doesn’t still hold. Pretty sure Kate just perspective slipped and spewed me town in the process.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll consider the post frequency meta later but for now I’m under advice to tune this game out.
NOBODY DO ANYTHING RASH WHILE I AM GONE.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll be checking back in soon

[Gamma Emerald]

...

[Gamma Emerald]

I just posted a biggol thing to my GTKAS threads for anyone who cares to see just what sort of a state I’m in.
Now to catch up on what the hell is happening.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m under advice to tune this game out.

?

Told my dad about some of what was happening, he suggested I tune out for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

While I work on this, everyone should feel free to review how Gamma has handled us and Cabd today despite both of us being given the "You Tenet You Die" read at the start of the game!

I'm finding the chart, standby.

Cabd had been taken out of the box, you were not. This is gross misrepresentation of the highest degree.

[Gamma Emerald]

Im gonna claim one part of my role.

Im informed about being in the wrong world and if i was in a different world I would have more fun.

Thats why I thought that when you die you go somewhere else but im not sure.

Are you claiming to have role copped me?

Yes I am a role cop

Am I the only one who finds the split claim a bit problematic? The informed part of the role was claimed so clunkily that it feels maybe a little fudged, like Wheme is trying to cover for the actual info he did receive.

[Gamma Emerald]

I also think we as a thread ignored the "under advice to not post in this thread" thing

Your point being?

[Gamma Emerald]

...

I honestly don’t know what I had in mind there :/

[Gamma Emerald]

There are many ways to alter wording, that one just seems so butchered it feels forced out of the aether

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not “informed” of jack shit
I don’t think jjh punked you so you’re just lying

[Gamma Emerald]

It looks like you’re trying to imply you knew what you were claiming in advance which makes you town, I don’t think so, it’s absolutely possible to plants seeds for a harebrained claim as scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Why would your flavor have to a be a lie for you to be scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d kinda already been at like Cabd/Kate/? for a while when you claimed your flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see how S_S using ability on DGB = Dunn visiting DGB

[Gamma Emerald]

okayyy
so what did S_S target DGB with, do you know?

[Gamma Emerald]

The tracker makes sense with LLD’s role probably?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I need to reset a little myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Preeeetty sure I can certify GiF as town

[Gamma Emerald]

Wheme claimed Shiro

[Gamma Emerald]

You replaced Marci right? Cabd was saying his convos with Marci made him think Marci was one of the two Sora/Shiro I thought?

I replaced marci
I think Marci only really tuned into the Cabd crumbs that didn’t have to do with the white fire hydra and generated a false positive for Cabd
In certain ways you could vaguely say my flavor and Shiro look similar

[Gamma Emerald]

idk if I’m entirely ready
I will definitely full claim when I feel ready though

[Gamma Emerald]

if you’re thinking I claim stall as scum you’re like, super wrong
I have an established history of waiting until the right moment to claim as town
And you also miseliminated S_S like this so maybe back off?

[Gamma Emerald]

In my case there most certainly is. If possible I’d love to never have to claim at all but there’s scenarios where I’ll do so.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re either the biggest idiots on the planet or scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually have potential reason to believe you’re good but nothing about how you screwed up on S_S has sunk in for you so either you’re not learning from your mistakes or I’m reading a bit too far into certain things and you’re just scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh! I forgot to ask about my new favorite post in the game this morning.

How does a Kate/Cabd scumteam make sense, in your worldview?

The ineffectual paranoia posting by Cabd felt partnery + I was thinking Cabd was caught in a lie but still felt like you were a bad guy for pushing S_S like you did

[Gamma Emerald]

….we literally reevaluated all of our reads

And there were multiple people on the wagon with us.

Not to mention, you’ve been openly blaming and discrediting us all day. So no, miss me with that shit.

The burden of proficiency is on you for that push though, as well as kyouko but I feel like she’s less accountable given she’s nowhere near as adept as you. You ran S_S through while I was out of the thread and before I could plead a properly informed defense of him. I missed my chance to stop that train wreck so now I’m trying to make the people I deem responsible pay.

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn’t change the fact you never should have voted him out in the first place.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll admit I fucked up by voting before I had fully assessed what Titus’ death meant but I’ve been earnestly trying to impact this game for the better and it feels like you don’t want to acknowledge that because it’s detrimental to your agenda.

[Gamma Emerald]

Doesn’t change the fact you never should have voted him out in the first place.

we own our error.

we voted him because he refused to claim after his predecessor had crumbed vig multiple times.

That was his error.

And, perhaps yours!

Learn from your mistakes, you dense motherfucker! I come from a similar PoV as S_S when it comes to claiming philosophy so knowing that S_S was being truthful about his meta, that should indicate I’m being honest too!

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll admit I fucked up by voting before I had fully assessed what Titus’ death meant but I’ve been earnestly trying to impact this game for the better and it feels like you don’t want to acknowledge that because it’s detrimental to your agenda.

I don't think you have been impacting the game for the better at all. Like notsci has said, your agenda appears to be discrediting us at every opportunity.

What about during Day 1? I wasn’t pushing you then like I am now, so you can’t hide behind my push as a way to devalue my impact.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m trying to make a dent in your thick skull that you need to actually think this shit through more. I am hoping you’re just wrong town because I have a point in your favor that just recently came to light for me. But when you defy my attempts to build a bridge between us, it just makes me think I’m placing my faith in the wrong slot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Please be specific with posts you viewed as that, thanks.

And while we’re on the subject, I’d love to know what posts you saw day one rocketed Cabd to lock town for you as well.

These posts still need to be addressed, for the record.

Show actual progress in this conversation, then I’ll consider it. Until then that just looks like a ploy to waste my time and effort.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine, I’ll answer those posts, but I’m doing it with the expectation that it will mean something

[Gamma Emerald]

This is the only path you could take though, a song and a dance about how evil I am because ooooh tenet boogyman.

I'd have just shot you in the face and been over with it and you KNOW it.

No I don't. You always save my kill for late in the game.

I hate this.

This is ENTIRELY incorrect and you know it's incorrect, I call bullshit.

You know full well that as scum I kill you the night BEFORE you start waking up, and I'm supposed to believe that YOU believe I don't think you'd re-evaluate and hone in on me with laser focus in 8P MYLIM? Fuck no, you planned this out. And this is gonna end up like that one game where I played with penguin where I knew she was scum but they limmed me instead, isn't it?

You won't be pissed because you're faking this, jerks.

These are the posts that gave me the impression that the fear of losing to you was faked, these feel phoned in

[Gamma Emerald]

Because you seem dedicated to pushing me atp and I CANNOT abide that.

[Gamma Emerald]

You've spent most of your effort so far today actually defending Cabd and Dunn.

How the hell have I done

that

?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t see how S_S using ability on DGB = Dunn visiting DGB

This is actually me being SKEPTICAL of Dunnstral. If I didn’t want to push him I could have just ignored this.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re fucking insane if you think all of those posts are defending Cabd. You literally quoted posts where my read on him FLIPPED.
Why should I not take this as you bullshitting me?

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re fucking insane if you think all of those posts are defending Cabd. You literally quoted posts where my read on him FLIPPED.
Why should I not take this as you bullshitting me?

Or maybe you should take it as your posts about Cabd were at best VERY ambigous, given we read them as defense.

Cabd wasn’t even a topic of conversation in 3484 and 3491. That was me taking offense that you deemed kyouko more trustworthy than me. Stop. Lying.

[Gamma Emerald]

And while we’re on the subject, I’d love to know what posts you saw day one rocketed Cabd to lock town for you as well.

As for this, I’ll get to it, but I have a much broader scope I’m working with there vs. the first question.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m offended because you’re starting to go down that road of questioning things that are established issues for me.

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re fucking insane if you think all of those posts are defending Cabd. You literally quoted posts where my read on him FLIPPED.
Why should I not take this as you bullshitting me?

Or maybe you should take it as your posts about Cabd were at best VERY ambigous, given we read them as defense.

Cabd wasn’t even a topic of conversation in 3484 and 3491. That was me taking offense that you deemed kyouko more trustworthy than me. Stop. Lying.

Misunderstanding (if we did) is not lying.

But, I'll take your assertion about your meaning at face value.

Why would you expect us to think you're more trustworthy than SSBM?

I misphrased my point. I’m not concerned you picked kyouko over me, but over EVERYONE ELSE. How did you manage to land on the ONE PERSON who also should have known better than to push S_S but did anyway? It felt like nepotism within your scumteam, and I couldn’t stomach that. If I had my pick I probably would have selected Luke and LLD to determine claim order.