Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Sup nerds. Lots to read here

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wow we get to kill scum AND I get to be lazy and outsource the fire and brimstone to somebody channeling the pure righteous anger of a favorite character done dirty.

Niceu.

Maybe if I'm good enough at town this game scum will be forced to use my brainwashed effect to kill myself, and we can have everything fit together.

Wondering what if scum didnt know who you were and the only way to break the brainwash is if they try to target you with the brainwashed kill :/

[ssbm_Kyouko]

(also we test Manatee's claim by having her vote early then vote somewhere else to show that voting elsewhere does NOT move the second vote as claimed, aye?)

Sounds like she has a unique verbiage for the second vote like

double vote

otherwise it would be a doublevote as soon as she moved her vote once and would get locked in. Dont think you can test his.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

P.S. DGB, what made you state that Marcistar is a koba alt?

There is one in every game!

Tru

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i have a second vote. placing it on a player that doesnt get elimed kills them.
placing it on a player that does get elim gives me a vig shot.
not placing it kills a random townie at night.

i knew i didnt want to not place it and i knew i wanted 2 keep the rest under wraps hence my original claim

Wowzers

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah seems like a vig that can also doublevote

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So like a compulsive vig with upside

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I skimmed mostly because nothing scum-indicative stood out to me on the first read. There were a lot of posts and they didn't appear to be scummy. It seems like this Toog thing is real for some reason though so I guess I'll have to look at that, as well as Cabd/Luke/Marci. There's something there too I think.

Anyways, it's a problem that nothing stood out to me as something almost always stands out to me. In that case, scum is vibing I think, so one of those hyperposters is probably scum. Maybe there are enough people that haven't posted a lot that don't seem town that it could explain a full team of lurkers but that seems wrong.

I think Dunn is town, got a good vibe from an early post, and I want to think Marci and Manatee are as well but I don't think that's a real read I just like them.

I expected to get Kate Bishop's reaction from some people (not anyone specific, just felt like I'd get SRed for posting that), but I didn't expect anyone to lean town on any of my posts. I feel like LLD's assessment is astute though, so I'd say she's town as well. The rest of her reads and her fight with KB look genuine at a surface level, but as I said, I need to look at Toogeloo for real. Talking about the reads she posted in that string of posts on the last page or 2.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I started rereading and couldn't resist

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Jeez I really feel out of the loop to the point that I no longer know what I'm doing

this was a vibe

Yeah I'm gonna slow down and take a backseat Day 1 cos

I feel like my mind is going too fast on things

.

But what was this about? What was your mind going to fast on at this point?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

... ive never watched the matrix..

Damn now I feel old as shit.

Uh, do yourself a favor and

rent it

.

KEK

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I still intend to take some time away from this game and hopefully let my temper chill. Seeing all the shit I put up with in that game and managed not to yell, scream and/or replace out really brings home how much less tolerance for slings and arrows I have these days.

Seeya when I'm in a better mood.

This isn't a soft, slings and arrows just reminded me of this and seemed appropriate for the mood

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you have any reads yet?

not really yet, do u?

can u restate then? idk maybe im just not understanding/forgetting.
the only thing i can really tell is what ur read on me is

Maybe I'm just looking for a reason to TR marci but I forgot about this quickly on my first read because I got distracted by trying to figure out what Cabd meant by Firebringer in his TRs right after reading it. But I feel like this is town Marci

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Notty town but actually I think

Who is notty? notscience of KB?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: DGB

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It seems like this Toog thing is real for some reason

Is it? Can Ihave a TL;DR on this?

oh interesting you ninjad the precise reason I voted you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

tl;dr was a sudden interaction that started at 235/237. Combined ISO them, start there, skim stuff that isn't relevant. Case on Toog seems good actually but there's a real lack of nay-sayers and I feel like that just means scum are letting town eat town, hence the vote on you for coming back in 430 (I think was the post number) with no comment on it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

basically Toogeloo doesn't like that some people are binning LLD for her claim of being brainwashed. He thinks it's possible she's scum claiming this because she intends to perform all of the kills, perhaps because, according to him, it may benefit scum if one player performs all the kills. This makes me think he's aware of a detective-type role, or speculating at one, but it's probably not his role since he's also asking about how LLD will appear to scans.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wow we get to kill scum AND I get to be lazy and outsource the fire and brimstone to somebody channeling the pure righteous anger of a favorite character done dirty.

Niceu.

Maybe if I'm good enough at town this game scum will be forced to use my brainwashed effect to kill myself, and we can have everything fit together.

Wondering what if scum didnt know who you were and the only way to break the brainwash is if they try to target you with the brainwashed kill :/

I feel like I'd just... die in that circumstance, right?

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't

think

this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Toog are you able to explain how you're confirmable without claiming more than you'd like to at this point? If so that'd be

100

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Time to try this, I'm caught up

Dunnstral, Marci, LLD, unwnd
Cabd (?), Manatee, GiF
--D1 elim cutoff--
Toogeloo, Luke
--Null line--
KB
WhemeStar
DGB

ManateeGal is partly claim-based so that could fluctuate. On the subject of her role, I think having her select her own "modified dayvig" is ideal because it's possible scum could roleblock her vig shot, and I'd prefer she just choose on her own rather than get potentially influenced by scum.

Cabd I'm perhaps being too easy on. One of Cabd/Kate Bishop may be vibing scum imo, and I could see him falling potentially. I didn't like the reaction to Manatee's claim. It's... interesting(?) that this reaction hasn't received scrutiny similar to Toogeloo's 235.

I was a bit uneasy about the manner in which GiF unvoted Toogeloo before rereading, but reconsidered after digesting unwnd and GiF a bit better this time around. I wasn't very dedicated to tracking who was who in my first readthrough on my phone during the day. It was hard with their avatars, but I focus better on my desktop in the mornings without distraction.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have to say, I'm not getting the townvibes I usually get from Kyouko, and that concerns me.

For 640, I agree with the sentiment at the end on Wheme passing his vote as a sword, but didnt get the same feeling from Cabd. Felt like Cabd's action was consistent with where his head

should

be, whereas with Wheme I dont have the context to know if that aligns for him.

Speaking of Cabd, in 633 you reference your reaction to ManateeGal as being a reaction test, right? Were you expecting anyone in particular to react a certain way, or was it geared towards getting a reaction from anyone in particular?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^these are the kind of inane questions I ask as scum but I actually want to know this time, promise

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Very happy with how my mspaint green hair turned out btw, that was an hour well spent

I'm ready GiF

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Don't think there's anything wrong with that theory, and if anything it will just further incentivize scum to shoot Manatee now that it's in the thread. Saves us the trouble of debating whether she's 3P, which would be a discussion for another Day anyways.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

In post 604, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
It seems like this Toog thing is real for some reason though so I guess I'll have to look at that, as well as Cabd/Luke/Marci. There's something there too I think.

what makes u think theres something here?

In post 604, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:
I think Dunn is town, got a good vibe from an early post,

which post did u like?

It's one of the only things I remembered from my skim, that Cabd was saying there was scum between Luke and Marci. I didnt see that when I skimmed so it was something for me to check on while rereading.

28, 35, 115, 122, 351 are all posts I liked. Dunn's talking a lot for Dunn I feel like, and it reminds me of town!him in Open 820, Siege of Aurelia

[ssbm_Kyouko]

For myself:
(expired on 2021-09-05 01:47:11)

hmmmm

Wheme, why did you vote KB in the first place?
Why did you switch off of KB?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

oh nm, I quoted GiF because that seemed like a really short deadline. Toogleoo mentioned a short deadline as well. But the VC says over 12 days left. Did I miss something in the setup, is there something happening in a couple days?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

My thought on manatee is slightly mechanical. I think her role is too strong to be a scum role, because it goes against what you normally see from mafia roles. Their actions are done at night to counter town abilities or fortify themselves. Manatee's role is a open statement and something that would just give scum an easier step towards their wincon of reaching 50% majority, which to me isn't very wise and would leave a lot of people bitching. Again, jjh says this game is not bastard. A scum role that can give two mislims or randomly eject someone is pretty fucking bastard. I would have complaints.

That being said, the plan isn't terrible, but I don't feel like it's something you can force. If you read Manatee's content up until this point it looks like she doesn't even care. She's not considering her role or how to use it effectively, which in my eyes makes her less townie; I think GiF's tinfoil is right.

Her role is provable though, so if you don't think it makes sense for scum to have that role just work toward getting her to place it somewhere before deadline, that should prove her for you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If we want her to use the second option then the second vote should wait until the elim is decided.

IMO she should use her second vote on the wagon that is mostly decided (Toogeloo) and we figure out the second elimination with votes, rather than vice versa

I like this plan of using it on someone that is mostly decided upon and then doing another wagon the conventional way, but I dont know if Toogeloo is 'mostly decided' yet.

I also think Manatee shouldn't place it until close to the time the second wagon is decided, because if she places the first vote on town they may get demotivated and not help the rest of the day. Whereas if Manatee decided on Toogeloo now but didnt vote him, and he is town, he might still be so townie in solving for the second wagon that manatee could rethink using her vig-vote on him.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk just didnt get town vibes

Hmm

So did you get town vibes from everyone else? If not, why Kate over, say, anyone else you didn't get town vibes from?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: WhemeStar

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cabd was saying there was scum between Luke and Marci

I don't recall saying this actually?

This appears to have been lost to the ether.

Maybe I had the wrong player, I can look back at who it was

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I bet my life and the next one on Luke/Marci having scum.

You think?


Like tarot 4.0, 2.0?

I think this is probably the post I saw and incorrectly attributed it to cabd when it was unwnd that said it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: WhemeStar

And yet, you have us as possible scum.

And?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i really like lukes dgb post and am struggling 2 scumread his entry or even perceive at his forced? is there a specific post being talked abt

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me. His reads look like fully the same as the consensus as well, but there was something else I saw that pinged me about someone else and I'm having a hard time remembering with all the pages I just read. I know I didnt like anything I saw from wheme either.

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

Game feels complacent I guess.

Spoiler: this is like mainly questions i have, sorry its like alot LMAO

Also, notsci is townreading wheme. Nothing else particularly grates about your reads list aside from the obvious.

did you ever explain this?

Kinda sus that GiF put me at L-2 and didn't post a heads-up.

does anything about this change now that you know the mod missed a vote and guyinfreezer didn't know about it..?

Which from my pov, felt wrong. I have played more games with Marci then anyone else on site (except T3 lol), and I generally start out talking directly with her in every game that we play in (as both alignments). And if felt extra weird, because I specifically talked her into playing this game with us, and she clearly immediately got the joke I was making, and played along in post 19

So it kind of felt like she got put on the spot by unwnd, and just needed something to say, and drew that out of a hat to be suspicious of vs a concern that she actually had.

i did have an actual concern about you though, i know im fairly easy to buddy so im so scared of that.

I mostly just been skimming through the day though and mostly just trying to focus on responding to people aiming things at me.

why r u so focused on how you appear to others toogeloo?

MG paying close attention to the game to OCD-pagetop but avoiding content.

i like this observation from drippinggoofball ^.^ feels townie.

I think DGB's vote is bad because DGB is a player whom I think knows way better than to vote Manatee for doing that kind of schtick, and would have jumped all over Toog for his claim. I just think DGB is super out of character here and in ways that support a possible scummy agenda.

drippinggoofballs play doesnt really feel like how i've seen drippinggoofball when they subbed into a scumslot so i dont agree with you here.

It seems like this Toog thing is real for some reason though so I guess I'll have to look at that,

as well as Cabd/Luke/Marci. There's something there too I think.

what makes u think theres something here?

I think Dunn is town, got a good vibe from an early post,

which post did u like?

607 idk which one of you posted that kate bishop, but can u explain how toogeloos play in that game you linked doesn't look like his play here..?

Toog are you able to explain how you're confirmable without claiming more than you'd like to at this point? If so that'd be

100

I gave some thought on this and decided that I shouldn't have even claimed I had a confirmable role. I'm going to not claim anything extra in regards to my role, and that some players just want blood early and will twist any statement to fill a narrative in their head. The only thing that might save me is my full claim, but I'm not giving it because if people can't realize they snap judged a comment or really think I'm so big a threat they want me out Day 1, then I'm not going to hinge survival on the role claim. In my opinion I've done nothing scummy, but obviously people see things differently. I'd rather just be eliminated in silence and hope town can win without my role.

im not sure what to think about this..

- -

yeah i feel like drippinggoofball is town here, i dont have any other townreads im as confident in.. maybe dunnstral, but on a lesser level..? i like his posting.
i feel better about unwnd than i did before, i think hes just generally being helpful and trying to move us towards a good gamestate ^.^

im not really too confident in any scumreads rn, im not sure how whemestar acts usually, but he stood out to me a tiny bit.
i do feel like toogeloo is a bit too focused on themselves, but with their more recent posts the feeling is a bit better. its not completely gone tho.
i dont rlly like lukes reasons for being worried about me.

wheres the votes rn i dont wanna by accident hammer again

This comes from scummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In my experience this comes from town Marci

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk these type of games I feel like its sheep cabd/lld and if theyre wrong kill them off.

Like this was another post I really didnt like the looks of. I feel like wheme's not trying. Not the first time hes made this kind of post. At first he indicated it would be hard to keep up, but more recently is saying he is able to keep up now, but still isn't really posting anything game related. Seemingly has some edge case reads which make me think it's all the more likely that the consensus is wrong and he's big chillin off of wagons that maybe are going to flip town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I am on page 32, and Wheme is just giving me a lot of the same vibes I got in the multiball game, and I town read him pretty hard that game, but then he turned out to be a traitor :/

WOAH I WAS NOT A TRAITOR

TBF I think the reason people townread me that game is because I was able to actually "Scum hunt" and not have to fake anything. Which I can also do here up to you to decide if im 3p or not

Like I feel like this is the most wheme has stood out and it's not even a post about this game

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Honestly I didn’t think I would be keeping up with this game but ever since this started I have been coming on the site a lot more every day. Idk if it’s the game itself or the playerlist because i really like this playerlist so thanks everyone!

Yeah so here's the post where he says he's keeping up now. Just doesn't feel like he really is to me

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i really like lukes dgb post and am struggling 2 scumread his entry or even perceive at his forced? is there a specific post being talked abt

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me. His reads look like fully the same as the consensus as well, but there was something else I saw that pinged me about someone else and I'm having a hard time remembering with all the pages I just read. I know I didnt like anything I saw from wheme either.

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

I think luke and me were one of the early proprietors of the dgb read though? I dont really see his reads being consensus at the time. I also don't see anything wrong with pointing out several things that he perceived as scummy w dgb. Is there anything else you think luke shouldve talked about in his catch-up?

+1 to what luke said abt not being a fan abt you working from the assumption luke is scum

I'm about to get to the reads of Luke's I'm referencing, I'm talking about some I just read, which do seem to be consensus to me. Maybe need to iso him, if he posted reads before that are similar to what he has now then it doesn't look as bad

I haven't seen what luke said yet but I'm not working from assuming he's scum. I do kinda think he is scum and am examining things as though he is to see if they make sense. Not starting with scum!Luke and working backwards

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

------

(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me. His reads look like fully the same as the consensus as well, but there was something else I saw that pinged me about someone else and I'm having a hard time remembering with all the pages I just read. I know I didnt like anything I saw from wheme either.

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

I don't like that the entire premise of this post requires me to be scum :/

It doesn't, but I think I see how you got there.

Like, that felt like it basically boiled down to : "we must be wrong on the consensus town reads, because Luke did not come out swinging to break up the town block"

Reread the bottom section.

There has to be scum in the townreads,

otherwise

Luke is content to die scumreading his buddies. This post implies that your reads in this gamestate make the most sense as town, because why would you be content to die scumreading your buddies as scum?

Overall I'm still leaning scum on you. I was voicing that I'm having doubts about scum!Luke

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also, I don't think that DGB being a scum read was actually consensus before I started catching up.

Like I think LLD was the only one who mentioned scum reading them before me.

And yeah, it feels a bit consensus now, but that is because cabd and unwnd both voiced scum reads there after I did...

I think Kate and I were first to say it? Not sure as a lot of this game is getting drowned out by pointless reminiscing and I'm oj my phone, can't check

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

...
whys kate on null tier? don't they have alot of content for u to judge on? -.-

Mainly that I have conflicting thoughts on the slot.

Like, ffery doing that metadive and reading that Toog game makes me want to town read them for effort.

But on the other hand, they are really loudly pointing in my direction and say that I should die, so

And not just that they are scum reading me, but that I really can't even get a grasp on why? It appeared to be because of when I first came back into the game, my response to their "unwnd day cop guiltied you" was weak I guess, but that suddenly made me their number 1 kill choice, but they also have not really had any interaction with anything else I have said sense I came back.

It kind of feels like they are trying to shift the focus away from their partner :/

Like here's something good from Luke though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

------

(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

Why does this not make you think they are town?

Those reads do make more sense in the game coming from town. Just said it in responding to luke, but I think the verbiage in my post is misleading upon seeing these responses and rereading. My point didn't make it across

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Okay. I am officially caught up!

With a single read through, I am at

Town:
Dunn
LLd
Cabd, Unwnd
Gif, SSMB

Null:
Kate, Marci, Wheme

Scum:
Toog , DGB

------

(Manatee left off intentionally.)

Because someone else mentioned me leaning scum on her before, Marci is back to null mainly because both Kate and Cabd are so hard town reading her, I feel like I am missing something and want to look at her against when doing isos.

This is the list I was referring to. What strikes me about it is that I'm TRing everyone he TRs. He has Toog and Marci way lower than I do, but the rest of his SRs/null are low enough that it feels like if he is scum then some of my TRs are wrong.

I'm looking at something close to my own readslist here which is concerning me. I feel like Luke's catchup just now matches the style of catchup that he's said he does in the past (I think in Crono Trigger he said this). Where he says he reads ahead and posts things that will get him to where he wants to be rather than catching up and posting as he catches up. So the focus on DGB during his catchup really stands out

Like Dunn said, why would you not consider you and I having similar reads could possibly mean that we could just share the same alignment?

Also, I can go back and find the posts if you need me too, but I think that I said I scum read dgb before other people like unwnd and cabd did. So it is actually impossible that I started with the goal of joining that as a consensus read....

As for the catch up, I am not 100% sure I know what you are meaning here? You are correct that as scum, I don't like to walk into a thread blind, and will always check the scum chat / skim through before I start posting. But that did not happen here? Do you think that my catch up posts seem informed? Is it just because I posted a lot about DGB?

(Also, in Chrono Trigger, I think that I was mainly talking about the fact that I never would have been surprised to see Robert's fake claim if he was my scum buddy, because I would have found out about it before I posted)

First bit is answered now so I'll go down to the catch up. What I mean is, somewhere I have seen you say that as scum you will read ahead before posting, like you said just now. I'm not on PC to focus on them and dissect whether they were informed or not. What bothered me is they seemed solely focused on DGB and I didn't remember you particularly scumreading it, so your catchup to me felt like it was agenda-driven, with the agenda being to arrive at the same conclusion about DGB as the rest of the thread. I'll have to reread more to see what your trajectory on it has been. Sounds like I could be forgetting things about the game if I'm this far off on your previous stance on DGB

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ngl with an upick with no scum fakeclaims given, massclaim wouldn't be half a bad idea.

The thought crossed my mind, but nah.

Yeah I'm against massclaiming.

I was just gonna troll until the eventual shock, but I realized that it is possible that a random death can happen given the nature of the claimed so far and if we mislim both we're going straight to the MeLo D2.
So I kinda wanted to give ppl warning to take today's eliminations more seriously.

I feel like manatee placing hurt vote on the elim wagon and shooting you while you're commuted may be a decent play to avoid possible D2 MELO. But surely scum would kill manatee toNight. Actually, do you not think manatee will be killed for some reason? I would assume she would be, so the D2 MELO wouldnt be a concern

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I asked the mod some questions, but there's only so much he'll say, so like I said, no guarantees.

I have no active. Well I do but it’s compulsive and has no target. And that action is used to yeet me off the game.

It sounds like it can be roleblocked to me. Do you think it can?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This is my opinion of the setup.

idk man, my role doesn't belong with those 4, so maybe just the really weird ones are getting claimed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Maybe death is the other world and in order to play the real game you need to get there

spooky - maybe Manatee's alternate kill ability sends people to that world? Maybe someone in this game has a role that can commune with that world? I'd be willing to accept the possibility of a second thread representing the new world, but I think we're in the "real game" right now. If this isn't the real game I feel like the game should have been classified as bastard and it wasn't (though it was said this could be "lolbalanced" so )

[ssbm_Kyouko]

no votes while we think on this.

not everyone's been online to even see this claim.

I see it now. I haven't seen the show but flavor-wise as a character representing Satan I think the whole "I get more powerful as town dies" is plausible. No way to tell if he's actually going to unlock the specific roles he claimed though. I do feel like if I had that role I wouldn't call it confirmable in the way he did - there would be no way to know when it could be confirmed and that would get you into hot water later... like now(?)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cabd if you don't see this flash of NQN right now you're scum.

What is NQN?

Also Luke and Dunn shrekt Toog on that last page, think it's ogre for him but haven't seem how he responds to Dunn's accusation about "if he didn't read the past 20 pages why is he scumreading Luke"

Spoiler: joke

I submitted Donkey from Shrek and the mod also told me that wasn't an isekai /s

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You know, for someone who has been out of the thread for over 12 hours and 600 posts, you sure did happen to land on the exact posts you needed to make a point just now huh?

boom

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Or are you only interested in pointing out the people you think you can discredit?

Yes. I am looking at people whose reads don't feel natural or sincere. Yours is the worst because I read it like a

conclusion in search of reasons

.

I find it strange that Kyouko's read is "secret" - I am catching up and I haven't gotten there yet.

My read isn't secret, that's GiF I think that has a secret 5th tinfoil read he'll unveil if he comes back from wherever he's going toNight. GiF also had a secret fourth

meal

read that at this point I think he did out because he had a POE of 4 not too long ago.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Manatee's problem this game is weary conviction but still wanting to maintain a semblance of read by letting people know it's still there. Yet, with all the attention she still feels alienated. Fight for what you believe in? I don't know. I didn't feel like Manatee was that meek in Bloodstained.

Meek is a good word for it, but I've seen conftown!Manatee struggle like this with reads before. She was FN in my last mini normal with her and had the same issues where she was unsure about reads and was disheartened that nobody was reaching out to her about them (like she just mentioned regarding DGB). I think she's nervous because she has so much power to swing this game and doesn't want to fuck it up, and she's feeling left high and dry. So I do understand why you're scumreading her, or at least suspicious of her, but I don't agree fwiw.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But surely scum would kill manatee toNight

If I were scum I'd let her live forever.

But surely scum would kill manatee toNight

If I were scum I'd let her live forever.

But surely scum would kill manatee toNight

If I were scum I'd let her live forever.

Okay apparently I'm the only one thinking that lmao

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ngl with an upick with no scum fakeclaims given, massclaim wouldn't be half a bad idea.

The thought crossed my mind, but nah.

Yeah I'm against massclaiming.

I was just gonna troll until the eventual shock, but I realized that it is possible that a random death can happen given the nature of the claimed so far and if we mislim both we're going straight to the MeLo D2.
So I kinda wanted to give ppl warning to take today's eliminations more seriously.

I feel like manatee placing hurt vote on the elim wagon and shooting you while you're commuted may be a decent play to avoid possible D2 MELO. But surely scum would kill manatee toNight. Actually, do you not think manatee will be killed for some reason? I would assume she would be, so the D2 MELO wouldnt be a concern

GiF would need to know when the yeet takes effect. It's compulsive, but it sounds like a night action. knowing when it resolves is critical because I will flip some fucking tables if manatee were to kill him doing this.

If it works like a commute it should be scooby doo gucci jacuzzi but yeah, I'd have the egg on my face if GiF died in this way

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I asked the mod some questions, but there's only so much he'll say, so like I said, no guarantees.

I have no active. Well I do but it’s compulsive and has no target. And that action is used to yeet me off the game.

It sounds like it can be roleblocked to me. Do you think it can?

Commute precedes roleblock.

Yeah I realized this as soon as I sat down to continue my catch-up this morning. Your claim was on the page and I immediately thought about what I'd theorized yesterday and was like "oh wait, I'm a dumbass, you can't block a commute"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why would we want manatee to not kill somebody?

Because of GiFs claim he'll be out of the game toMorrow - it would mean if we mislim 4 times with our 2 double-days D1 and D2, that that combined with NKs and GiF's disappearance would but us down 7 town on D3, possibly down 6 if GiF returns. But being down 6 in what is presumably 10:3 is ELO, and if GiF doesn't return or there are any unexpected additional kills, D3 we wake up endgamed.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Your only responses to the 600 posts you missed were exactly the posts you needed to make a point, and you later said you were still mid catching up. I think the term you agreed with wrt me just a moment ago was "agenda driven" in your catch up...

Your sentence is nonsensical. Try to rewrite it.

It's just some out-of-order clauses making it harder to parse. I speak that way though so I understood right away.

Here's my attempt at a rewrite, commentary in

boldgold ©

:

When catching up, you only responded to the exact posts that you needed to respond to in order to make a specific point

(agenda-driven)

. Later you said you were still mid-catching up.

I think this implies you skimmed, looking for posts that you could respond to in order to drive a specific agenda, rather than catching up on

everything

.

I think just a moment ago you agreed that my

(Luke's

Diner

)

catchup could be described as "agenda driven."

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Idk these type of games I feel like its sheep cabd/lld and if theyre wrong kill them off.

Like this was another post I really didnt like the looks of. I feel like wheme's not trying. Not the first time hes made this kind of post. At first he indicated it would be hard to keep up, but more recently is saying he is able to keep up now, but still isn't really posting anything game related. Seemingly has some edge case reads which make me think it's all the more likely that the consensus is wrong and he's big chillin off of wagons that maybe are going to flip town

Do you think Toog flips town?

When I made the post you quoted, I figured it was maybe a 60-70% chance he flips town. Not the best odds at hitting scum, but better I think than the odds of finding scum above my D1 POE line were at that point. Now I find it more likely he'll flip scum though after the posts around the time he made his claim.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^to be clear, I mean more likely than before - I still don't think I'd say he has a greater than 50% chance at flipping scum

[ssbm_Kyouko]

yoink

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wtf so many pages.

I get ONE decent ish night of sleep and this is my payment.


Well then.

Catching up mobile. About to be daughter breakfast time here.

These degenerates finally went to sleep and stopped posting long enough for me to catch up before daughter breakfast time

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You know, for someone who has been out of the thread for over 12 hours and 600 posts, you sure did happen to land on the exact posts you needed to make a point just now huh?

boom

That's what you call a boom?

Really. Just kill me at this point. I can't deal with this much sensational scum hunting.

You can't deny the words were a zinger even if the reasoning is weak

[ssbm_Kyouko]

15. You may note that your role PM has a little "Meta" section at the bottom of it. That's where I've discussed a bit about the anime the pick originates from, as well as a little explanation of how the pick relates to the role. This is not game content. Everything else on a role PM could be relevant to the mechanical side of the game. Anything in the meta section will not be revealed by any roles in the game until flip. Players may ask me my opinions on isekai anime either publicly in thread or via PM whenever they like, and I will answer truthfully in uniform fashion, therefore my opinions on isekai anime should be considered public knowledge.

@mod

Is Inuyasha an isekai?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler:

Okay. DGB has been gone for like 12 hours and 600 posts. When they comeback, they come in swinging with these two posts:

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

I was talking about my scum reads on DGB and Toog.

How convenient that these are LLD's reads, and LLD rarely switches directions. You can count on her pushing these reads until she gets her way.

If I were scum I'd support all her reads too.

Which first off, I don't think that it is very accurate, I have been talking about a lot of other slots, and even been saying that while I scum read both them and toog, I don't think they could be partners, and had started leaning away from dgb and towards toog being the scum in the pair, but that is completely besides the point.

But secondly, here they are agreeing with kyouko's interpretation of my catch up posts, which implies they read my catch up, right? (Or they are blindly agreeing without reading, which is bad...)

My catch up was 891 - 1099. So, They voiced an opinion on my posts ranging from 891 to 1099.

But then immediately after, they appear to say that they have missed the reveal of unwnds secret scum read which happened in 1030 (dgb 1446).


So from my pov, something aint right.

Did dgb read my posts from 891-1099? If they did, why are they later claiming to not have read other things that were said around that same time? Did their catch up start with an iso on me? Why? I was a fairly non-presence when they left the thread.

If they did not read my catch up posts, then what are they talking about when they are agreeing with Kyouko in post 1431?

Lets go with the idea that they started reading on a random page, and were agreeing with Kyouko's post 1176. What was I talking about leading up to that post?

Spoiler:

1134 - marci
1137 - manatee
1139 - kate / manatee
1141 - kate / manatee
1142 - cabd / kate / manatee
1148 - manatee
1149 - toog
1166 - wheme
1172 - toog and

dgb

1175 - Asking marci about town reading

dgb

[/spo/iler]

So in my 10 posts leading up to the kyouko post that dgb agrees with, I mention dgb twice. Once to say that I think either they or toog are scum, but not both. And once to ask someone to tell me why they were town reading dgb.

Now, lets look back at dgb's post:

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me.

In every single post, Lukewarm and Manatee keep up the refrain "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum" "DGB is scum"

Like propaganda, convincing by repetition. It's subliminal but it's highly effective.

I am trying to figure out when this is ever a real thought that dgb had about me, and it really does not make sense to me.

If they read the posts in question, then why did had they not read the other things?
If they started randomly near kyouko's post, what made them think this?

So I am left thinking that they were not caught up, and they had no reason to actually think it. But they agreed with kyouko anyways, which seems hella scummy.

....

I typed all of that up, and it feels like my line of thinking about Titus in bloodstained, so I don't think people are going to like it

I still think dgb is scummy, and I would say that the difference here, is that I have lots of other things that lead me to scum read dgb before this. Where Titus, she went from a null read to a lock scum read over just this kind of thing.

I think that the better reasons I have to be suspicious of dgb are things like this:

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

~maybe~

But LLD is scumreading me and I'm town so, seeing her warped reasoning on me, I'm not about to sheep her on what could be equally warped reasoning on other players.

[/sp/oiler]

I am not really liking DGB. And I really don't like this post.

Why is she not just forming an opinion on Toog on her own? Like why wave away the Toog suspicions because LLD (from her pov) has 1 bad read on her?

And even "LLD has one bad read, and therefore all of her reads can be ignored" feels really bad anyways.

I am also unwure how DGB is reading LLD atm? Like, just earlier this page she said she thought LLD's claim was scummy, but this post seems to imply that LLD's reads are real, but bad?

This also ignores that Dunn and myself have also voiced concerns about Toog up to this point :/

idk. Weird post, that does not actually call either Toog or LLD scum or town

[spo/iler=]

I think manatee’s role has non-zero chance of being 3p.

That could be true for LLD as well, no?

It's anyone's guess.

No one is going to say they want to yeet it because they might be killed for it.

[/spoi/ler]


Eww

This does not feel like real thoughts about LLD's role

That's just how games are now Toog

Geriatric style would be nice but mod doesn't agree so I'm gonna keep it rolling

What is geriatric style? I feel I should be the designated trendsetter for this.

Geriatric_Ruleset

I like it!

In other news I'm content townreading Toogeloo, I see nothing that concerns me.

This one

Which also, why does "I see nothing that concerns me" = a town read, instead of like. A null read?

DGB what are your reasons for this town read?

I liked it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

He said the first thing he unlocks is the neighborizor, and that would be confirmable.

So not confirmable now, but would be at some point in the future?

That doesn't confirm his role. It confirms his role has a neighbourizer stored somewhere within it.

Again, this is not what Confirmable means. And certainly not what he intoned when he said it was confirmable.

The claim doesn't match what he's saying.

Glad to see this sentiment elsewhere. This was one of my first thoughts, that the claim did not match the previous softs

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I had no intention of playing this day the way I have, but the moment both cabd and Wheme basically turned LLD into a triple voter, and LLD is basically, "lalalala kill the panda, no ifs ands or buts," I basically said fuck it, I don't give a shit about this game anymore.

...

That happened like, a day(?) into d1. Giving up that early doesn't sound reasonable. I feel like if you didn't care anymore you either would have full claimed or withheld your whole claim out of spite. The way you've been trickling info the longer your wagon goes on indicates you do care imo.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why his claim specifically?

What were your thoughts before his claim?

I started at scum on toog, and tested it looking at older games. Mostly they didn't contradict the read, but there was one fairly significant difference I found in a scum game. Just one, which made me nervous and I wanted someone else to see that issue, and also to read some older scum games to keep testing.

That got shelved because god damn his play doesn't support the role he claimed.

If you were town with such a powerful, interesting and fun-looking role, would you have played this day the way he has?

I’m not sure how he has played the day honestly I can iso him if that would help

Not even a high-level overview of his actions? He's kinda been the center of attention. Are you actually caught up or not?

I know you hate homework, but would you mind comparing DGB's pre-outburst play to its play in this one?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085

I'm off to go mow the lawn. Home ownership: bah

Lawn service: yay

Wtf so many pages.

I get ONE decent ish night of sleep and this is my payment.


Well then.

Catching up mobile. About to be daughter breakfast time here.

These degenerates finally went to sleep and stopped posting long enough for me to catch up before daughter breakfast time

Should I take this to mean you are also a parent? Realized I never got to actually reply to this~

Yeah, I have a 3yo

unvote

Haven't been feeling luke scum since the last go-around with DGB.

Forgot we had it there.

It's going to be painful for notsci, but we intend to vote Titus once it's time to send the wagon home.

Yeah Luke has picked it up recently. Thinking he's most likely town now.

Maybe game is just an easy {Toog, Wheme, DGB}. I feel the least confident about DGB by a ways though. It's too anti-town by nature and I think I got the misconception I could read it well because in my first town game with it, I caught scum!DGB on D1.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey,

Rhiannon playing this game. How fortunate for you, not so fortunate for us, I suppose.

Our role is a trashheap pure negative utility role

. I begin the game brainwashed.

At night, the scum may use me to perform their night kills.

Oh, and I have the town win condition but thankfully I've been told that I don't count towards the Mafia despite being brainwashed, so that's good at least.

Is there any indication on how to remove the brainwashing? If you

begin the game

brainwashed, there is a chance you can break the brainwashing, no?

You should really not read into how I phrase these things. I'm purposefully trying to dodge directly quoting the role PM by accident. As far as I'm aware, I have no method of breaking the brainwashing.

This hosility seems unwarranted. One innocent question and you're overreacting to get him not to look further. Only the last sentence was necessary.

No one would call this hostility. Only you, and only when you have an agenda to push.

Reading into how people phrase things is part of sorting them. You and I are both aware of this. Yet, your post to Toog was telling him to not ask you for details and here you're claiming it's an agenda to ask for more information from you.

You know what, let's fight this out. I think (so far), that there's a decent chance you're scum. Let's argue around slots in the game.

If it's T v T, we get unique insights. If you're scum, you either act as a chicken shit or give content. So I'm picking a fight with you.

I also doubt you're a gravedigger when the only tracker is ridiculously gated.

LLD hasn't claimed Gravedigger and nobody has claimed Tracker so...?
I'd vote here now if I was caught up but I'm like 10 pages behind

[ssbm_Kyouko]

1950
Marking my spot for later

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No because they can use other people to kill

See how easy it is to apply even the most basic level of logic?

No because they can use other people to kill

How so?

No because they can use other people to kill

You mean other scum team members?

No because they can use other people to kill

You mean other scum team members?

Yes lol

This was not clear to me from your original post. I thought "use other people" meant use other people besides themselves to make the kill.

All of this seems clear to me, dont know what was confusing about this to anyone. Probably it's just confbias against wheme/LLD to read it in the way DGB/KB did

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Takes are gonna be fast and loose as I try to catch up btw, will try to be fully caught up by end of work today, but it might not be until tomorrow morning

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I struggle with a WhemeStar TR

Remember the original Batman series from the sixties? Wheme reminds me of Robin to his LLD-Batman.

I believe Wheme is town regardless of LLD's alignment. I can't imagine scum doing what he's doing. He's too in-your-face perky/annoying

This reminds me of something but idk which game it was from. Putting this here to remind me to look later

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko is unusually quiet in this game.

Always quiet on the weekends as I do most of my posting from work or for an hour or so in the morning. I've had other deadlines bump this game down in priority as well

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Kyouko is unusually quiet in this game.

I've never played with her. She's doing more catch-up style posts than direct interactions. That's been what stands out to me, though I've liked her comments/reactions more over time. A few really jangled me early on.

When she's not quiet, what does she do? More of the same or something else?

I always catch up when I fall behind, usually I push people hard to sort and if at some point I feel they're town I move on. If I get too many TRs, or dont have SRs, I reread to find them. Usually dont reread when I'm focused on a push in the moment though. I haven't had the time to do that this game though and have just been working on a POE from TRs, trying to figure out which in the POE makes the most sense from the limited interactions I have time for

[ssbm_Kyouko]

When she's not quiet, what does she do? More of the same or something else?

Kyouko is very intelligent and will be at the forefront of any game, in the top four most involved player. Kyouko is normally a wellspring of well laid out and clever analyses.

When I'm right, yeah this describes me. When I'm wrong I'm tunneling townies to their doom and scum lets me live. And when I'm wrong, people don't say I'm intelligent or clever if you catch my drift clown_emoji

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cabd's iso reads like a sportscaster commenting on the game state from a remote broadcasting station.

Thief!

Me catching scum!Gamma in OMB:

Reading your iso I feel like I'm listening to a sports commentator who is filling a lull in the action by having unrelated conversations with his co-caster

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Cabd's iso reads like a sportscaster commenting on the game state from a remote broadcasting station.

Thief!

Me catching scum!Gamma in OMB:

Reading your iso I feel like I'm listening to a sports commentator who is filling a lull in the action by having unrelated conversations with his co-caster

But also go on because I haven't noticed this from Cabd yet.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK Pick out of these 3

{Marci, Kyouko, Lukewarm}

I'd say kyouko w the caveat of sometime to do meta homework

Not any of these pls

[ssbm_Kyouko]

NOT marci.

How do you townread a slot that isn't here lol

With what little is available

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And

what if Manatee is lying, and Toog doesn't die?

I don't want to saddle Titus into more days of a dying slot.

@Manatee. This was llds post just before yours.

yea

i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

So, it looked like you were agreeing with lld that we should be considerate of the possibility that you were lying.

You later came back and said you don't wanna target someone until the day is gonna end, which somewhat fits with your post. But the immediate aggreance at the beginning of that post is weird

Think the "yea" is agreeing with not saddling Titus into more days of a dying slot, no?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: LLD

Hehehehehhehehe

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: LLD

Hear hear!

VOTE: LLD

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Where did I imply that? If that were true, I wouldn't have voted

U wat

How do you not remember implying that, you literally used the word restriction iirc

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just wondering DGB-- but was me voting and revealing I scumread LLD enough to completely erase your thought on crickets?

100%

Because going against LLD is a bold and original thought in this gamestate.

So bold and original it just might be scum trying boldly to look like town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Ssbm feels maybe a little different from past games? Certainly not anything significant though.

Identify yourself

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Inb4 you replaced into another scum slot (idk who you replaced yet tho)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

GTH D1 Reads

{GiF, DGB, Kate}
{Dunn}
{Wheme, Cabd, Lukewarm, Titus}
{Manatee, Marci}
{Kyouko}

Your bottom 3 are whack my guy

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I replaced unwnd.

Unwnd's bottom 3 are whack ^^

[ssbm_Kyouko]

*the shift

Also I thought the meta analysis of ssbm_kyouko was interesting in that it was described as if they were likely to be scum this game due to a lack on efforting/content (it sounded pretty convincing, too)

I dont think I've lacked effort in this game. Volume of content, sure, I've been busier than usual, but I haven't skipped over anything despite how

much

is getting posted in this game.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I think that the dreaming god claim does not really fit with the way you have softed leading up to this

Quotes?

Yeah curious for quotes as well because I dont recall DGB softs and usually I'm on top of those things

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Luke, anything you want to discuss?

I've been out of the house most of the day, so I feel like I'm missing stuff from today, so I don't know atm.

At one point people were talking a lot about kyouko. What are your thoughts there?

Also, who is your top target for the vote out? Still wheme?

notsci's first DM to me after manatee's vote was "Now let’s kill wheme", so currently, yes.

Re kyouko, I've progressively liked her posts more over time, but I have concerns since DGB has pointed out she's been much more engaged than here in recent town games. Before I saw that, I was wondering if she tends to play in sort of catch mode and doesn't interact directly much with other players.

Given current state of sleep, I probably won't do any meta-ing until sometime tomorrow.

Have you played with her? If so, what do you think of DGB's take on her towngame?

Catchups are a part of my town and my scum game - they happen when I'm too busy to keep up in real time. As scum, they also happen because I'm dodging the thread, as you can see in Large Normal 233.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

1950
Marking my spot for later

What do you think of the meta that was brought up against you? When you get there

It's all NAI now that I've read it. It was just a 3-day weekend, been spending time with my family as I do on the weekends, now I'm back and am playing from work and in the mornings as I usually do. I also backburnered this game and didnt focus it in my morning playtime because the deadline is far away compared to other games

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not_Mafia replaces Salsabil Faria

Traumatized momentarily

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also, I'm pretty well convinced you're flipping red here Titus, and these words are being written in the last ditch hope that Manatee's role won't kill you, so

I'm treating you as if you're going to live and not flip, despite how you are writing as if you are a townie who has died (

which is what you would do as either alignment, and has no bearing on your alignment for me

.)

Yeah this, Titus always posts as if she is really dead and town whenever she is "hammered" so in this case what she says now is NAI and probably +scum with MG if she doesnt flip from this

[ssbm_Kyouko]

stuff like player personallities, speed of game, readability to unfamiliar eyes?

Speed of game and readability, I would say definitely comparable. In terms of personalities, there may be inhibitory factors

but I would expect Kyouko to be pretty fired up about the claims.

This bolded part is accurate. I just haven't had much time to think about them, though if you're looking for my.thoughts on mechanics you can look back at the first thing I posted in reaction to LLD's claim.

I would not say the speed or the readability are comparable. I felt very lost early on because people were calling LLD Rhia/Rhiannon, there are a lot of references to bloodstained, a game I did not read. Everyone seems to be in on these references but I have no idea what they mean in context. Cabd and KB have been posting a lot of inside-joke kind of posts that make it hard to follow what they mean. Theu arent really jokes of course, just references to things they both know about that I don't. Those are all problems I've had with readability. As for speed, this game feels like it is going much faster than any others I played with you so I dont think this is a fair comparison.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I thought you meant readability of the thread.

As for readability of players' alignments, I'm not seeing anything going on here that's out of the ordinary.

I dont think I'm having any special trouble reading anyone here. I had trouble reading scum!N_M in a game where I caught DGB D1 and nearly lost in ELO to Mathblade.

In Radio Buzz my reads were just fucking wrong all game but they weren't hard to make

In large 233 I was scum so my reads were fake

I feel like we've played some more games together but maybe anything else I'm remembering is ongoing

[ssbm_Kyouko]

have a somewhat recently finished scumgame w kyouko im gonna check out

Kek

That game was funny

Osuka's Mini Normal "FIA WRC" if anyone wants to see scum!me crashing and burning into the wreckage of my traitor

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And scrolling through her iso, it is actually 7 straight posts of only quote responses to me, and then nothing at all. And it both seems weird that I am the only person she has interacted with in the last like 3 days. And its weird that she has disappeared. And its weird that she popped back up almost immediately after she was name dropped. And it is weird that even that did not lead to content.

Did you open her spoilers? Not sure when she made them but she has a (bad?) habit of posting questions to a lot of people all in spoilers so they get missed sometimes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

i have to be at school in 6 and a half hours yet i find myself glued to mafia scum dot net

Me when there are bugs in production

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Takes are gonna be fast and loose as I try to catch up btw, will try to be fully caught up by end of work today, but it might not be until tomorrow morning

I made it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

When does Titus flip

The same time as the elimination wagon flips according to manatee

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ssbm who is scum

Wheme

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I think that the dreaming god claim does not really fit with the way you have softed leading up to this

Quotes?

Yeah curious for quotes as well because I dont recall DGB softs and usually I'm on top of those things

And I dont think I saw quotes from Luke after 2255, but maybe he decided not to make them after DGB advised we look at its first post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Who else?

well my poe had you and luke most recently as well and I think since then my mind has changed on you and definitely its changed on luke. I'm still harboring suspicion that one of you or Cabd could be scum but that kind of suspicion just bit me in the ass in Radio Buzz with Pooky and Ydrasse so I'm staying away from that.

Titus I think could also be scum here. She's most likely flipping from the Manatee Hurt vote so I'm not as focused there. I stand by what I said right before manatee hurt her though, and that is that my vote would have been there after what she said about gravedigger/tracker. I think she scumslipped something from the PT there.

My read on unwnd dropped drastically when he pushed LLD and S_S always replaces into.scum slots so maybe he's 4 for 4 at rolling scum when I'm town now

Maybe DGB is scum, but I need to ISO it in a morning session when I can really focus because I do have a hard time reading it I think.

Unwnd saying he had a restriction and later saying it was a joke bugged me as well. In truth I did start skimming specifically LLD and Unwnds posts after they started getting personally heated because I assumed they had nothing to do with the game.

So my pool now is at Wheme, Titus (if we want to give manatee a vig shot), S_S, with DGB trailing behind those 3. I highly prefer Wheme though and would mostly be doing Titus only if I thought manatee would vig someone in my POE

[ssbm_Kyouko]

{DGB, S_S (unwnd)}

Why does unwnd do what he did with LLD as scum?

What happened between LLD and unwnd was NAI and stemmed from a poor choice of words. That would happen regardless of their alignments except maybe if they were S/S (I dont think this is possible, this is just a hypothetical). If that were the case unwnd wouldnt have said anything in the first place I think.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Radio Buzz

I was following that, was glad to see Skitter clutch it out.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus I think could also be scum here. She's most likely flipping from the Manatee Hurt vote so I'm not as focused there. I stand by what I said right before manatee hurt her though, and that is that my vote would have been there after what she said about gravedigger/tracker. I think she scumslipped something from the PT there.

Where do you think she scumslipped?

Talking about gravedigger and tracker. Sounds like gated tracker is referring to one of their own JOAT powers maybe, but I have no idea where the idea that LLD is a gravedigger came from. Sounds like something she might have read in the scum PT and forgotten the context of. Like maybe scum has a gravedigger or is informed of one and she thought that was public info.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But I think that the dreaming god claim does not really fit with the way you have softed leading up to this

Quotes?

Yeah curious for quotes as well because I dont recall DGB softs and usually I'm on top of those things

And I dont think I saw quotes from Luke after 2255, but maybe he decided not to make them after DGB advised we look at its first post

I did a from memory overview, and then DGB responded, so I did not think it was necessary --- Post 2257

But i guess I can still grab the quotes

not necessary, I see now.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Kyouko

Spoiler:

One of you negative role ninnies should have taken the heat but instead you will lose me.

My death is a foregone conclusion so A RESOUNDING NO and here's your excuse to strut your stuff on the catwalk of shame as you all kill each other with your negative utility BS roles.

So far with the claims, I am the only one with a non-negative role. I have crumbed it, and hinted at it in an exchange with Kyouko of they were paying attention. Please kill me, and earn that defeat.

You all are a bunch of worthless negative utility roles. Go ahead and kill me. Make my day. Hang your heads in shame for the remainder of the game while I shake my mine with pursed lips of disapproval in the dead thread.

As these posts were being made, I kept getting the feeling like dgb was trying to scare us off of killing them because they were softing an unambiguously powerful role compared to the other claims on the table.

So, when that turned out the be a dreaming god, which is a very ambiguous role, filled with unknown amounts of power and dice rolling and prayer, it did not feel right.

Yeah this makes it more clear. I dont know what soft DGB was talking about in an interaction with me in 1633 though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

A gravedigger is a little-known role that passively visits whoever dies at night.

Oh I see. I was remembering GD from owners market blitz which functioned like a coroner (I think thats an apt description). That gravedigger would target a dead player and would learn what roles that player died with (because everyone flipped as vanilla and powers were purchased at auction with dogecoin). It was like a rolecop for dead players

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I struggle with a WhemeStar TR

Remember the original Batman series from the sixties? Wheme reminds me of Robin to his LLD-Batman.

I believe Wheme is town regardless of LLD's alignment. I can't imagine scum doing what he's doing. He's too in-your-face perky/annoying

This reminds me of something but idk which game it was from. Putting this here to remind me to look later

Also I found what I was reminded of by DGB earlier. It's how it described Galron in Radio Buzz:

VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

Infinity is in my town bin. Leaning skitter town too. I don't see a contradiction there

Look at how happy he is trying to find townies.

It's a similar-feeling read.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I read the unwnd stuff but wasnt convinced they were crumbs. I didnt see all of them the first read through, but they do look like crumbs all together. I do want S_S to explain the crumbs though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What am I being asked to confirm? Whether or not I am a dayvig that can shoot today?

Why's it weird? I put a pretty high value on townies not giving away any more information than they absolutely have to.

I think I've seen this sentiment from you in 2-3 of the last 3 games we played together and you were scum in all 3 of them >_>

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I can go as far as to say the same thing as wheme - my role indirectly supports the theory that there is a second world after death

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And if there is, it implies we arent going to see Titus flip when she dies

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@Titus

I'd also like to hear more about "reservations" within your reads list as well as what you meant by Gravedigger and Tracker earlier?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I guess the GD is answered, so is Tracker one of your JOAT abilities? Knowing there are possibly 3 killing abilities, does Tracker still seem "ridiculously gated"? My guess is depending on overlap and alignment of dead players, you would be able to use it somewhat soon.

If this thread is flipless it has interesting implications for Manatee's and Titus's roles. Both of their roles inform them of the alignment of a player in some way. Titus would know how many dead players are town by how many points she earned after a set of flips. Manatee's vigshot kills a random "townie" - indicating it can be used as a cop for the 2nd world if we play it that way

[ssbm_Kyouko]

fuck it VOTE: titus

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I want to bank on a second world and use Manatee's ability to cop town as they die

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Manatee claimed to guarantee kill a townie if the day ends without using there second vote.

Manatee has already used their second vote.

So the "kill a random townie" is never happening this day phase

Oh u right
VOTE: wheme

If we go flipless though I think it's worth using it this way toMorrow

[ssbm_Kyouko]

At the same time:

I'm not convinced that Wheme is town, either

Ah okay. I was double checking your vote as you posted that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didnt do a focused reread of DGB like I'd wanted to because I somehow slept in this morning, but I did reread it in ISO just now and I'm kinda feeling like it's town.

I think I'm gonna vote S_S here. I'm not sold on manatee or LLD being 3rd party or scum at all but I do think DGB is town and I'd like to listen if I'm right about that

VOTE: S_S

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But while you're here, Marci, do you have time to talk about our lord and savior Baja Blast?

Dunno if you’ve seen this but I noticed Taco Bell and Baja Blast mentioned in one post later on and realized if I replaced in I had to mention this.

That was in my yt algorithm recently

[ssbm_Kyouko]

and LLD says 235 is like a "mask off paranoia" (scum with their mask off?) that is posted to prevent the formation of a townblock.

I still wanna know what “mask off paranoia” means

At first I thought it was to do with scum wearing a mask in thread and Toog took his off to be paranoid, but I think it just means naked paranoia, like Toog's post was blatantly intended to cause paranoia and had no basis in a real feeling of paranoia that would come from town. Either way, I think the point was, Toog was causing paranoia in and not in a pro-town way

[ssbm_Kyouko]

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't think this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

This seems to be a clear case of Redemption Equals Death (or vice versa)

What does RED mean?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

idk if I responded to this already, but I think possibly you'd break the brainwash. Although maybe not telling you about that would be bordering on bastard, I don't think this game was meant to be bastard but it's been a long time since it went into signups and I forgot. So probably that first thought I had on it is wrong, but it's a moot point now.

This seems to be a clear case of Redemption Equals Death (or vice versa)

What does RED mean?

It means the only way to absolve yourself of your bad actions (such as being a puppet for the bad guy) is to die

So when you say "this" seems to be a clear case of RED or vice versa - what do you mean by "this"?

Did you mean LLD's claimed role, or did you mean the hypothetical I posited in 619 where it is possible LLD could break the brainwash by being forced to kill herself by the scum

"puppeteering"

ability

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I have begged for death so that I could get my pleasure mooning the game from the dead thread.

And it is precisely because you asked for that you missed your train for your sweet sweet release.

Scum post.

What makes you say this is a scum post? It looks kinda accurate, I agreed with it somewhat when I read it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Blocker dont forget to block lld as she confirmed with mod that will stop her from killing if she gets puppeted

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think starting at shiro/sora flavorclaims is fine. I am neither one.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma is that you saying you are not Shiro?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll claim after Dunn

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LLD, do you have any way of knowing if you performed the kill?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also, there could have been a useful night action that we either didn't learn or didn't matter because the target was dead.

Quoting for my own iso

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Out side of the paranoia brain, because this works with or with out scum cabd.

One of my issues, is why did wheme just jump to "cabd is lock town" ? Where was the town paranoia in a game where so many town flips just happened? And they were also

all

of Cabd's scum reads flipping town?

Wasn't he just loudly touting the "sheep cabd, if he is wrong he is scum" line over and over yesterday?

But there was no paranoia, even though cabd's claim, while from a cabd pov makes wheme town, does not work in reverse.

Why would town!Wheme not be considering the scum!cabd possibility x.x

I don't think scum would have a role that informs them that flavors X and Y are town, unless scum has a traitor and the info is meant to help them find the traitor by POE. If anything, a scum!Cabd role looks something like "you are informed that Shiro has X power and that Sora has Y power." As scum, you already know Sora and Shiro are town (or potentially 3P, but you know they are not aligned with your own scumteam) because they aren't on your team.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm Akatsuki from Log Horizon, I'm a Tracker, not gated in any way.

Hence my suspicion when Titus talked about there not being an ungated Tracker, and my initial concerns about all the negative utility roles, because my role did not appear to have any negative utility. I voted Dunn in the anonymous voting because I tracked him last Night and he did visit DGB. I figured if I was killed in the anonymous vote without being able to claim that someone would put 2 and 2 together and see that I was TRing Dunn all day yesterday, and upon seeing my flip they would deduce I'd tracked him to the dead based on my vote.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That's either a lie or I visited without my own knowledge due to role.

Just to confirm, you're claiming that I only visited DGB?

yes, only DGB

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Come to think of it you should have had some kind of watered down doc power if you inherit non-killing roles, because S_S died before N1
VOTE: Dunn

[ssbm_Kyouko]

and if you had that power I would have seen you use it. If you used it, you could have only used it on DGB, so DGB wouldn't be dead now

[ssbm_Kyouko]

the "inherits non-killing roles" sounds believable in this setup but is a bit convenient considering there were 2 deaths last Night. If you just inherited watered-down roles I would have seen you visit both of the dead, so you'd have to claim something that wouldn't have visited Manatee. Part of Manatee's role was a double-vote though, so maybe you would have inherited a 1-shot doublevote or something if you were trueclaiming here. I also feel like with the discussion of gravedigger (the old version of the role that visits the dead passively) earlier in the game that you should have said something about your role potentially milling Trackers on D1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE: I'll wait for Kate claim I guess

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Titus, sorry

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wait Titus didn't have a killing role, only reason I didn't vote immediately on your claim is I thought it was convenient you wouldn't have inherited from the other dead player, which explains why I saw you target only DGB and not DGB and Titus.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

yeah Titus isn't a killing role so you're just guilty here I'm pretty sure but I can think of a way to confirm more since we're possibly in MELO rn if GiF doesn't come back toMorrow

@the dead: If any of you (Manatee?) have a way to influence the game during the day phase (with a vote?) try to target me with it. If it hits Dunnstral, it means he really is an undead magnet. Until then we can refrain from voting there.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also feel like with the discussion of gravedigger (the old version of the role that visits the dead passively) earlier in the game that you should have said something about your role potentially milling Trackers on D1

I think you are misunderstanding something, I don't visit people who die

specifically the PM says you

targeted

DGB so if you're saying you've checked with the mod and you don't visit/target the dead, then let's 1v1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So yeah Dunn how do you explain your targeting DGB but not Titus? Titus wasn't a killing role, you said unless you visited DGB without your own knowledge that my claim was a lie, meaning that if you are telling the truth you didnt inherit anything from Titus or you would have expected me to have seen you visit both DGB and Titus.

Additionally, if you were telling the truth about inheriting job-killing roles, you would have inherited something from Titus. Furthermore, you implied you could have caused the anonymous vote at daystart via a DGB power, and that it could have been passive, but if it was passive I think you would know you have the power?

Your claim just doesnt add up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Non-killing* not job-killing

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE: I'll wait for Kate claim I guess

We have a reason for wanting Cabd to say what he thinks we crumbed about our role on Day 1 before we claim.

If our not claiming right away is creating an unnecessary delay, we'll go ahead. Otherwise I'd like to wait until Cabd's feeling better.

I'm fine to wait, hoping that an undead ability will disprove Dunn's claim

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've gotten Titus, S_S, DGB, but not Manatee (not GiF either).

Can explain the specifics, if needed

.

Why did I see you target DGB, but not Titus last Night?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Reread my claim?

I did inherit from Titus, undead roles don't target me, I don't auto-visit dead players. I cleared up anonymous vote, that wasn't me

Just reread your claim. If undead roles dont target you then why did you say you inherited the undead thing from S_S, not the doctor?

If you dont autovisit the dead, then what did you target DGB with?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don’t see how S_S using ability on DGB = Dunn visiting DGB

I could see it working that way, but S_S's flipped ability was 2-shot doctor. I would expect the doctor to have stopped the kill if this had happened.

It makes sense that Dunn's role inheritance would not target, similar to how scum doesnt target LLD when they use her to kill. His explanation would be in line with how LLD's role works, but it would seem to me that from S_S's flip, if Dunn inherited the magnet, that Dunn would be the target of the undead abilities, not the "conduit", so to speak

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don’t see how S_S using ability on DGB = Dunn visiting DGB

Google conduit

Oh haha funny we thought of the same word, I hadn't read your post yet

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Part of me wishes they are playing a second game in a private thread and that none of this matters.

Apparently cabd and kate have been playing a private game in the public thread lmao these crumbs are wild

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Undead Magnet: You are a magnet for the undead, and abilities originating from the dead may find a way to reach you.

This is the part of S_S role that I inherited, except the wording changed so that I am the conduit for abilities originating from the dead

It may be possible that S_S indeed used an ability on DGB which I am not aware of, no feedback on my end

I bring up in 3536 that the extra vote from beyond could have come from GiF. It doesn't really make sense with what I got on my role or with S_S flipped role. The vote would just go to S_S which would be anti-town and it doesn't need to originate from me if it's just a vote. I think the way the ability transformed has some implications about the nature of the abilities the dead can use in that they are likely to be beneficial to the person it is used on.

That or SSBM is lying in mylim. I need to confirm with the mod that my role would show me as the visitor

I somehow missed his whole post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: Something_Smart - Aqua

Hello Something_Smart! You are Aqua from KonoSuba aligned with the

town

!



As Aqua, you are a 2-shot Doctor and an Undead Magnet.

2-shot Doctor: Once per night, you may target a player to heal them. This will protect them from one killing action that night. You may use this ability twice during the game.

Undead Magnet: You are a magnet for the undead, and abilities originating from the dead may find a way to reach you.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Spoiler: DrippingGoofball – Ainz Ooal Gown

Hello DrippingGoofball! You are Ainz Ooal Gown from Overlord, aligned with the

town

!



As Ainz, you are the titular undead Overlord of Nazarick, and must take the lead and determine how best to approach your new situation as a Dreaming God. You have a variety of goals and plans to set into action, although contrary to popular belief you have not necessarily thought far enough ahead to see quite how they will unfold. Each night, you may select one of the below plans to enact. Each may only be used once.

Dreaming God:
-Momon - (Create a false identity)
-Splat - (Show your strength)
-Sasuga Ainz Sama - (Just as planned)
-Swords of Darkness – (Making friends)

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Spoiler: Titus - Sadao Maou

Hello Titus! You are Sadao Maou from Hatarakou Maou Sama, aligned with the

town

!



As Sadao, you are a JOAT, however you begin the game with no abilities.
Whenever a town player dies, you gain 1 point of power from negative emotions, which can be spent at any time to gain 1-shot abilities as below:
-1 point: Neighbouriser
-2 points: Doctor, Roleblocker, Tracker
-3 points: Cop, Bulletproof, Jailkeeper

You cannot multitask.

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

@Dunn, are you able to buy Neighborizer with that 1 point? Are you able to multitask since you have multiple abilities from the dead currently? Which Dreaming God power did you receive?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can't complain really. There's good documentation and a big community, most of what you want to accomplish can be done. It's a nice platform. I've heard rumors they might start charging for REST transactions though

Back to the game though, I've been thinking about no elim myself as I'm not quite convinced by Dunn's claim either way. I feel like if S_S had reached out from the grave with a doctor it would have been put onto Manatee, she would have been a good target I think. But idk if S_S would have wanted to save Manatee.

With no elim, Dunn should be able to possibly neighborize someone. Or make <something> happen with a Dreaming God power. Maybe both if able.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dunn's claims so far have been believable, but I dont feel right believing them, ya know? Like everything he's saying seems to line up, but it lines up so perfectly to evade my result that it feels wrong to believe it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don't think LLD and Dunn can be scum together - if that were the case then LLD's claim was made because she wanted to perform the kills free of suspicion, but if Dunn is scum he did the kill and is lying. So LLD's claim cant be fake if Dunn is scum because if Dunn is scum he did the kill and LLD's claim only makes sense if she planned on killing

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I guess I could track Dunn again and Wheme could rolecop him so there's no way for scum to kill both of us, but if it's Dunn-Wheme-Luke that would be awkward. Thing is I really TR Luke and he is confirming Wheme's result. It's possible that Dunn-Wheme-x is a team and the rolecop is scum maybe. Gotta look at the anon votes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma you never claimed I think unless you did on D1 and I forgot, what's your role?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Yeah Luke is town, but Dunn-Wheme-(Cabd/Gamma) is possible

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also dunn and wheme's abilities fit together nicely as scum abilities - one can check the abilities town has and the other can inherit them after the townie dies

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So did anyone claim sora/shiro? Haven't paid much attention to non-Dunnstral posts.

I remember:

LLD - Brainwashed (Spider of some kind)
Wheme - Rolecop (flavor?)
Luke - Deadline Guide (Chocobo)
Dunn - Inherits weaker forms of dead town's non-killing roles (a slime character)
KB - Reflexive Neighborizer (dont remember flavor)
Cabd - Informed that Sora/Shiro are town, and can help them if they go to other world?

Gamma - unclaimed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You replaced Marci right? Cabd was saying his convos with Marci made him think Marci was one of the two Sora/Shiro I thought?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I will also lim Gamma if he isn't going to claim toDay

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gamma what's your role?
VOTE: Gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hurry up Gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

UNVOTE:
Maybe it's worth no elim now - doesn't seem like the dead can impact the thread with a vote during the day

[ssbm_Kyouko]

ftr i was ninjad there and did not uv in response to that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LLD - Brainwashed (Spider of some kind)
Wheme - Rolecop (one of sora/shiro)
Luke - Deadline Guide (Chocobo)
Dunn - Inherits weaker forms of dead town's non-killing roles (a slime character)
KB - Reflexive Neighborizer (sonic x cream cheese)
Cabd - Informed that Sora/Shiro are town,

and can help them if they go to other world?

Gamma - gives scum an immediate kill if he is eliminated

Imo the only way cabd claim can be real is if gif is shiro/sora. if that's the case, he's in the other world now, so... Cabd? anything you can add about how you can help them when they're in the other world?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gif claimed flavor it wasn’t NGNL

sorry not really paying that much attention to flavor - he hardclaimed he is not from that show and those characters are from that show?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well the way I see it, Dunn's role is confirmable now, and technically my result isn't a hard guilty if everything Dunn has claimed is true, so I'm down to let him confirm it.

Cabd lied so we make a plan for Night and lim Cabd imo.

Pedit: uggh

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It should be extremely obvious now that I'm Jibril, and I know that all humans from my franchise (read: Sora and Shiro) in the game are town.

I only hinted it six hundred different ways and it's why i got confirmation from marci that she was Shiro.

Okay yeah I misread the original claim, but I think a lot of people did and you didn't correct it? Maybe only I missed it though. Hmmmmmm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Going to AJR concert tonight

Tempted to just vote dunn here

same but I think no lim is safer

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Wading through the Dunn / kyouko, and like. I really wish dunn had full claimed the abilities he got when he claimed. I also wished kyouko had asked for the full claim before outing their result.

I don't like that the "conduit" portion of dunn's claim came after a tracker guilty on him hit the thread

Yeah well I thought I had the full claim when I outed but I wish I'd verified it first too next time I guess. Tbh I find it sus that specifically S_S's role text was modified but Titus and DGBs were not. He claims he got one of the flipped Dreaming God powers, and claims he inherited Titus's existing points and has access to the same powers she did. Everything about his claim is just

convenient

but I feel like mechanically we have a safer route and I'd like to take the higher EV play

[ssbm_Kyouko]

League is kind of an isekai since the champs are transported to the rift by summoners

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@jjh no mods allowed^

[ssbm_Kyouko]

King of the Hill is my favorite american anime

[ssbm_Kyouko]

King of the Hill is my favorite american anime

SSBM what’s your pool looking like?

{Dunn, No Lim}
mechanics will tell us more tomorrow, though if both of your claims are to be believed, I don't think you and Wheme can be on the same scumteam. Giving scum a reflexive neighborizer allows them to investigate any town that targeted them. Why also give scum a rolecop in that scenario?

You and Luke are my strongest TRs. There have been valid points raised about LLD's role being unconfirmable but they're coming from Dunn and I think he's scum trying to wriggle out of a guilty right now. If he's scum it's not a bus either, because LLD, as scum would have to have some scum motivation for wanting to perform the kills by claiming what she did. Like a Strongman for example, or some kind of vampiric ability that steals powers from the town she kills. However, I saw Dunn target DGB, so I have more reason to suspect he is the one that killed DGB, and that LLD was not used for the kill because scum feared she would be roleblocked because of the D1 claim.

Luke confirms Wheme is a rolecop which doesn't clear him, as a scum Rolecop is still possible, but I'm not going outside of Dunn/No Elim toDay.
Apparently I misread Cabd's claim so I'm not sure about him. I was between tracking you, Cabd, and Dunn last Night at first. I remembered you saying you were likely to get nightkilled and felt like Dunn was the least likely of you 3 to die right away if he was town, so I tracked him. I also felt like when reading ISOs he made a strong early impression on me but that his towniness waned throughout the day. I figured Cabd and You were more likely to get killed or investigated with stronger investigative roles, so I went with Dunn

pedit (LLD Claim): Interesting. I kinda want to eliminate Dunn the most now as he has that undead magnet/conduit ability which could fuck with S_S doctoring from the grave. If he is scum and he inherited the magnet, there's no way S_S will be able to stop the scumkill if his doctor is pulled onto Dunn. But if he's town and is the conduit, does it mean S_S won't be able to doc anymore? hmmmm...

[ssbm_Kyouko]

town!Dunn means that DGB was strongmanned through a conduited doctor ability.
scum!Dunn means that Dunn absorbed any abilities that came in from the dead, and would do so again, which would mean there would be no way to stop the kill and activate the dayvig.

If we lim Dunn and he is town, and scum succeed in killing, we lose (provided GiF is Town and does not come back toMorrow). I don't think GiF, if town, does not come back toMorrow. Most likely I think he is town and is coming back. If he's scum (which seems possible solely from a setup perspective now, considering how many kills town is in control of), we still don't lose for eliminating Dunn.

I think a Dunn lim is our best bet and only loses is LLD is a strongman and GiF is town and GiF does not come back toMorrow.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

pedit (LLD Claim): Interesting. I kinda want to eliminate Dunn the most now as he has that undead magnet/conduit ability which could fuck with S_S doctoring from the grave. If he is scum and he inherited the magnet, there's no way S_S will be able to stop the scumkill if his doctor is pulled onto Dunn. But if he's town and is the conduit, does it mean S_S won't be able to doc anymore? hmmmm...

what is this even trying to say
there was nothing about doctoring from the grave from what I can tell?

Dunn claimed he is a conduit for the undead. He says he inherited S_S's undead magnet, but the "weakened" version of the magnet was to become a conduit instead. I saw Dunn target DGB. Dunn says he didnt do that, so the only explanation, if Dunn is town, is that a townie targeted DGB from the grave and I saw Dunn perform the dead townie's action. The only player that was dead at the time I was tracking Dunn was S_S. S_S's ability was 2-shot doctor. I'm assuming he retained the shots and is able to use them.from the grave, if Dunn is telling the truth.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LLD's claim lines up with her crumbs tbh. I'm going to vote Dunn.

Do we want to coordinate actions at all? Sounds like only Wheme and I have actives and nobody has a way to stop the scumkill except maybe S_S.

Actually since I'm set on this I'm going to claim the rest of my role. I'm a self-activated watcher. I can watch any player I have previously tracked, but can only watch any given player once during the game. I cannot multitask, so if we no lim, for example, I cant track someone else while I watch Dunn.

I'm claiming this in the hopes S_S will guess who the scum are likely to kill and protect either me or wheme

That is why I targeted Dunn, because I expected he would be NKed later, but not N1. It just so happened that he was the trooky tanuki doing the kill and I got lucky

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Actually if I track Kate and wheme rolecops someone we need to confirm, like Gamma, Cabd, or LLD maybe? Then I'll be put into Kate's hood and effectively I'll be Watching Kate because any kill on Kate would go into the hood with me and I'd have a guilty on my hood partner in the morning. Only Wheme and I are supposed to be able to visit Kate according to claims, so as long as only one of us goes to Kate, there isn't even the WIFOM of "but that one could have just killed Kate instead of tracking/rolecopping" them. We could go vice versa as well. Wheme rolecops Kate and I track someone else, then if Kate wakes up dead Wheme tells us who did it.

Kate, are you down for either of those plans?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Theres the possibility scum tries to use LLD to kill Kate but S_S is able to stop that. Kind of a rock paper scissors

Pedit: oh rats

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Welp, I dont think there's anything else we can optimize about night actions unless Cabd or Gamma have an active they haven't shared?

Tbh, if Cabd is town, wheme is town, and the "help" he can give Shiro/Sora, I am hopeful means that if wheme dies while rolecopping, Wheme will be able to pass his result to Cabd somehow, either reflexively or via a PT.

Wheme I guess I would urge you not to target Cabd then, as your result may come back to him if you die.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Rather than coin flip I think it makes sense for wheme to rolecop anyone besides cabd. For me I don't think there's an ideal target, though I do think I am the ideal doctor target as Wheme's result will possibly be passed to Cabd somehow. That could be too speculative though, and S_S presumably only has 1 doc left, so I wont get a Watch off (while I'm alive) anyways

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll wait for Cabd/Kate to talk, not really in a rush

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Also laughable that after seeing me in owners market blitz you think I'm perspective slipping

[ssbm_Kyouko]

even if cabd is scum he cant be aligned with wheme because the way cabd was looking for shiro seems like it's at least accurate in that shiro is town

Can still be that both their flavors are fake and it's just a long con

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not like we have any way of knowing until one flips, which may discourage scum from shooting either one if they're both town

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I mean you saw how mechanically inclined I became in that game. I was certain of a lot of things related to the bids and night actions.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That game there was faulty assumptions because of bad play on my team’s part
Why are you assuming Dunn’s role is true?

I dont think it is, but I have to examine the possibility that it is and figure out if we lose if it is true. If it is true, we only lose if GiF is town

and

GiF doesn't come back toMorrow. I think it's very unlikely that Dunn's role conveniently works the way he has said it does piece by piece, and it's also unlikely that if GiF is town he doesn't come back tomorrow. Maybe this is truly D2 MELO, but I doubt it. I also dont think Dunn is a mislim here, so I'm happy enough eliminating Dunn rather than no eliminating today.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dunn

Love it: All of day one was extremely town-dunn to me. Especially some of the earliest drop in insight posts. I found the mindmeld about the unwnd-dayvig softs extremely comforting, as well. He felt incredibly comfortable and jovial, in a way I have not seen out of scum dunn before? It's hard to INK TO THE PAGE better about this one but yeah, that. Of special note was the on the fly unprompted toog-opener metadive.

Hate it: The evolving role claim in reply to SSBM's tracker. (Possibly lolsetup?) The sheer ignoring the elephant in the room feeling of his most recent few posts, like he doesn't want to address that players are extremely hungry to wagon him to death today.

ssbm-

Love it: I was one of the biggest proponents of SSBM-town day one, I'm pretty sure? Her check-ins felt like they came from natural enough places, and I felt the lazy scumreads there WERE the "town low hanging fruit" attempts being made. Looking in, I even told Kate off from the read with this line: "I think the pop ins have felt natural and not manufactured to any specific outcome." Fferysci's homework about post count is somewhat intriguing but I don't think it's a lock in my book by any means.

Hate it: I was fine with the "guilty evolution" of the tracker but I have a few issues with some of the other day two posts... Help me square the circle here. No flavor selfclaim (unless I missed one????) while constantly posting trying to track down everyone's flavor and role info. Voting outside the supposed tracker guilty. It does feel like drawing back from the 1v1 and trying to frame a Dunn elim as "something everyone backed up" and it pings me somewhat.

Wheme-

Love it: My role PM says he's town
Hate it: If he's somehow ultimate cosmic brained his way past my role being a troll into confo-town status (he hasn't, this is a joke)

I did claim akatsuki from log horizon in my claim right after Dunn claimed, unceremoniously, so it was probably overshadowed by the soft guilty from the same post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Thoughts on Dunn’s being similar to a flipped town role already

I’m surprised no 1 brought it up yet

I think he's trying to make a believable fakeclaim by drawing from the information he has about flipped roles.