Mini 2228: Isekai uPick - Endgame

[ManateeGal]

hey friends! i'll be catching up in an hour or two

[ManateeGal]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

bringing this 2 new page just in case

[ManateeGal]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

bringing this 2 new page just in case

I abjectly refuse to allow you to hammer anything.

You can have the second to last vote and we can coordinate that. But I refuse to allow you to hammer.

do you have a specific reasoning for this? if so please outline it

[ManateeGal]

+1 to thinking the whole luke situation is weird

[ManateeGal]

+1 to thinking the whole luke situation is weird

not that weird considering the amount of fuckery already role-wise but still odd

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

hey friends! gonna claim cos its kind of important. im a doublevoter who kills a random townie if their second vote isnt on the lim wagon. i cannot move the second vote after placing it so i will probably be the one to hammer from here on out.

im super excited to play w everyone!!!

bringing this 2 new page just in case

I abjectly refuse to allow you to hammer anything.

You can have the second to last vote and we can coordinate that. But I refuse to allow you to hammer.

do you have a specific reasoning for this? if so please outline it

I do! I think you may be scum using my role claim as cover to do this play, where your role really cares about being the hammering vote on wagons to gain power.

It's a minor thought, maybe less than 10 or even 5 percent.

But if it IS true, it's always scum, so I refuse to allow you to hammer. Once we decide who dies, you can have 2nd to last vote, with your unmovable vote. But not hammer.

Shouldn't make any difference to you, right?

yea thats fine w me!

[ManateeGal]

interested in the form of some super meta abstract art bullshit

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

im on a ROLL

[ManateeGal]

Are you nervous or intimidated by me or the playerlist in general? Honest answer

part of this playlist im kinda nervous and intimidated by yeah, but the other part of the playerlist im comfortable with.

Is that intimidation more so

You're worried of being fooled by them/can't read them

Or something else? You had a minor thought about me so I'm curious how you're treating this engagement

sorta intimidation maybe?
dont tell anyone since its kinda embarrassing for me to admit this

Spoiler:

im scared my reasonings for stuff will be seen as "not valid" "not good" "dumb reasoning" which is why i've been in general.. a really bad player in some of the games ive been playing lately.
i know where this stems from, but i cant stop thinking along these lines.

when i play games with my friend group they usually shit on my reasoning, and my reasoning usually falls apart quite easily.. this has been happening for awhile now, and its just really worn down my confidence to even attempt to say things. i dont wanna be seen as stupid.

My observation of you is that you are a positive force to most games you are in

Everyone has something they can bring to the table, perhaps something me (or others) can't
+1
So don't worry about those feelings, they're not true and I will affirm you as such

[ManateeGal]

i fucked up that quote it was supposed 2 say +1

[ManateeGal]

gut says luke/unwnd r town

[ManateeGal]

I think I'm into the crackers stage with the unwnd-luke back and forth.

what does this mean ?

[ManateeGal]

me and you both friend

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

no i do not think so

[ManateeGal]

Spoiler: Official Pagetop Counter

this is kinda fun

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

(also we test Manatee's claim by having her vote early then vote somewhere else to show that voting elsewhere does NOT move the second vote as claimed, aye?)

maybe not

[ManateeGal]

(also we test Manatee's claim by having her vote early then vote somewhere else to show that voting elsewhere does NOT move the second vote as claimed, aye?)

maybe not

Why not?

[ManateeGal]

i'd be ok w fullclaiming tbh im not sure i have a role i feel comfortable managing on my own

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

let me have my fun:(

[ManateeGal]

ok give me a second i think ive confused myself here

[ManateeGal]

if the target of my second vote isnt the lim for the day they die. if they are i get a vig shot at night

[ManateeGal]

if i dont use my second vote at all the random townie still dies

[ManateeGal]

i have a second vote. placing it on a player that doesnt get elimed kills them.
placing it on a player that does get elim gives me a vig shot.
not placing it kills a random townie at night.

i knew i didnt want to not place it and i knew i wanted 2 keep the rest under wraps hence my original claim

[ManateeGal]

I'm supposed to buy that you are essentially a double-day-elim generator indefinitely while alive?

i dont see an alternative

[ManateeGal]

idk what to tell you besides like,,, yeah

[ManateeGal]

do not quite understand why you dont just let me prove myself

[ManateeGal]

hey kyo o/

[ManateeGal]

i have a second vote. placing it on a player that doesnt get elimed kills them.

The scum must have gotten really excited to have rolled this!

[ManateeGal]

That role seems completely busted.

yeah the more i think abt it the more busted it is

[ManateeGal]

After hearing that claim I have 0 intention to vote manatee today unless he's found to be lying about his role.
Why lim the role that effectively gives us double day?

she.

[ManateeGal]

[ManateeGal]

I just noticed that. I'm dumb please forgiv.

its fine <3 please do keep it in your mind going forward

[ManateeGal]

Kinda sus that GiF put me at L-2 and didn't post a heads-up.

do you think its truly AI or are you just peeved by it?

[ManateeGal]

i'll chime in! i understand what marci is talking about and i dont think its quite indicative of too much.

I would lean towards it being towny, as stating nervousness in thread is something pretty genuine i'd expect out of town especially so early

[ManateeGal]

bam

[ManateeGal]

i think toogelo is town in terms of their response to the push on them

my brain is tending to sort marci, cab, lld as town

i think luke/unwnd interactions indicate t/t. my immedeate reaction to unwnd pushing on the medium of lukes role is a townlean. i think lukes explanation was odd, but sensical enough to understand and credit.

DGB's vote on me is shit

[ManateeGal]

i think toogelo is town in terms of their response to the push on them

How so?

the off-putness seems genuine to me and i dont think their posts really have the urgency or anger that i'd expect from a similarily off-put scum

[ManateeGal]

Manatee's recent post is off

But i wouldn't categorize her as scun

if my own theories are right

You can't challenge her, she'll kill you.

where on earth are you getting this idea

[ManateeGal]

i am fine w choosing my target from a consensus of other players i townread.

[ManateeGal]

Manatee's recent post is off

But i wouldn't categorize her as scun

if my own theories are right

You can't challenge her, she'll kill you.

where on earth are you getting this idea

ew

?

[ManateeGal]

huh??? i think its extremely likely i get NKed tonight so im not sure why you think im like trying to survive ? i know im not getting limmed today and im not sure i trust my own judgement enough to conpletely maks the decision, hence why i'd like it to be a consensus among the players i townread

[ManateeGal]

as in i'll be negative town utility?

[ManateeGal]

good to know

[ManateeGal]

why is lukewarm getting flak?

[ManateeGal]

i really like lukes dgb post and am struggling 2 scumread his entry or even perceive at his forced? is there a specific post being talked abt

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: DrippingGoofBall

[ManateeGal]

oh yea i am not killing ssbm w her current trajectory

[ManateeGal]

but that's not part of the sigma male grindset.

[ManateeGal]

Manatee tell me who you would make your 2nd vote on. You're being used as a tool right now but you still have thoughts

I feel as if I am not hearing them

hmmmm. my brain kinda stops after dgb as my target today. I do know i have at least decent townreads on the other potential targets which is causing a bit of a mental block w/me. ive not been a fan of the kate bishop slot, which i need to re-examine at some point to flesh out (maybe later today?). if the day was to end in a few minutes from now i'd probably place my second vote on dgb.

it's iso is pretty much a contentless jumble of shade that feels overly focused on my role and joking instead of genuine statements. the rest of it's statements have been similarily shallow

[ManateeGal]

ive not been a fan of the kate bishop slot

Hmm, guess I'd better talk about WHY the 65 after all?

i'd like that

[ManateeGal]

Man, Unwnd, who is your top scumread right now? Who are your top 2 town reads rn? Whose reads do you trust the most right now?

am i man? im answering anyways. DGB is my top scumread for aforementioned reasons.

My top two townreads lie in you and unwnd. Ive liked pretty much everything youve had to say so far, even if i disagree (see:toog) and overall youve made yourself pretty easy to hold high in my books. Unwnd I am less of a fan of content-wise, but i think their interaction w luke was very likely town, and i mirror that thought process in their attempts to engage and have me produce content, which scum totally does not need.

im agreeing with a lot of what luke is saying so id put him as the reads im most trusting of

[ManateeGal]

taking a break from thread for a few hours

[ManateeGal]

That said, that you answered it. How the hell are you gonna have 2 townreads and then trust someone elses' reads more? I don't really get that? Wouldn't that put them higher for you? Explain how your trust Luke's reads most but he isn't higher than Unwnd or I on the town scale.

I mean maybe? luke is still a townread for me and pretty high up there at that. I just found myself jumping to you and unwnd as the players i have highest confidence in being town, despite not completely agreeing with your reads? does that make sense or do i just sound crazy

[ManateeGal]

and ty lld and cab, "man" has a pretty common nickname for me in online spaces so i appreciate you actively avoiding it

[ManateeGal]

unwnd do u wanna talk abt why you think im not town

[ManateeGal]

terrifying

[ManateeGal]

terrifying

Did you place both of your votes on DGB or how exactly do we know that you're using your second vote?

hurt tag

[ManateeGal]

terrifying

Did you place both of your votes on DGB or how exactly do we know that you're using your second vote?

hurt tag

I believe DGB has an extremely famous quote about how I feel about the lack of a claim even with such obvious intent in the air in regards to the panda.

im sorry cab i cannot understand this one. especially without the context of the mentioned quote

[ManateeGal]

so you r skeptical that i did not claim the hurt tag as part of my role? or that i didnt respond immediately? im feeling pretty stupid rn,,,,,

[ManateeGal]

OH i thought u were talking abt me im sorry cab

[ManateeGal]

im pretty set on killing dgb atm

[ManateeGal]

Also I'm going to throw this question to y'all to help me understand things.
What stops Toog from being a passive-aggressive spiteful town who stepped into the game on a wrong foot?
Because I see non-zero possibility of this scenario and ngl it's the big thing that's holding me back.

this articulates my thoughts pretty well

[ManateeGal]

i really like lukes dgb post and am struggling 2 scumread his entry or even perceive at his forced? is there a specific post being talked abt

Feels like his focus is really all on DGB in his catchup to me. His reads look like fully the same as the consensus as well, but there was something else I saw that pinged me about someone else and I'm having a hard time remembering with all the pages I just read. I know I didnt like anything I saw from wheme either.

Basically it felt like there has to be scum in the TRs because otherwise we're correct about who scum is and Luke is content to just die and scumread his buddies. So something seems wrong.

I think luke and me were one of the early proprietors of the dgb read though? I dont really see his reads being consensus at the time. I also don't see anything wrong with pointing out several things that he perceived as scummy w dgb. Is there anything else you think luke shouldve talked about in his catch-up?

+1 to what luke said abt not being a fan abt you working from the assumption luke is scum

[ManateeGal]

i agree in regards to wheme being weird though

[ManateeGal]

Manatee, why do you town read me so strongly?

hmm. i think ur early role shenanigans w unwnd were in the space between nonsenical and understandable that only comes from town. I hard agree with your reads, so despite being a bit paranoid im pretty confident our same thought processes r both town.

[ManateeGal]

yeah wasnt planning on doing otherwise

[ManateeGal]

mulling over ur response gif

[ManateeGal]

i think ur early role shenanigans w unwnd were in the space between nonsenical and understandable that only comes from town.

And I completely disagree on this and the only reason why it would look like town is because they are both genuine in their conversation. Except that the back-and-forth was due to miscommunication. Of course they will both sound genuine regardless of their alignment.

upon much thought you're probably right about this, though im still inclined the weird soft is more likely to come from town then scum. overall its like maybe one peg down on my lukewarm TR

[ManateeGal]

cab kind of put the whole toog into perspective. i really dont want a repeat performance from bloodstained in that regard. consider my vote on them.

[ManateeGal]

yea i think massclaiming is a wonderful idea btw

[ManateeGal]

Well the good news is that I had epiphany.

I’m trying to pick 3 out of {WhemeStar, Toogeloo, Lukewarm, and DGB}.
And then I realized, gasp.

Why don’t I just lim them all?
If the game doesn’t end with that we yeet manatee.

bar luke this is pretty ok actually

[ManateeGal]

we could like. end day rn

[ManateeGal]

hmm

[ManateeGal]

yea i think massclaiming is a wonderful idea btw

This is why you are not town

[ManateeGal]

guh

[ManateeGal]

that wasnt even intentional

[ManateeGal]

wha?

[ManateeGal]

yea i am fine w toog going

[ManateeGal]

yea i am fine w toog going

Vote me then.

oh yes totally to let u hammer before ive laid down my second vote

[ManateeGal]

you'd have to convince me

[ManateeGal]

you'd have to convince me

You're not convinced?

not like im convinced w dgb

[ManateeGal]

i am not convinced on whemestar the way i am on dgb.

[ManateeGal]

unwnd you can just admit you were wrong

[ManateeGal]

@DGB claim

[ManateeGal]

do you want me to be completely and utterly convinced at this point of a scumread? it has been less then 4 days and theres this expectation of complete assuredness? thats ridiculous.

[ManateeGal]

whatever. i asked it to claim.

[ManateeGal]

ohohoho thats just insane and crazy i dont wanna shoot someone 3 days in regardless of the brevity of my reads without outside opinion. batshit.

[ManateeGal]

dgb please claim

[ManateeGal]

difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

[ManateeGal]

DGB can u claim

[ManateeGal]

sorry for getting frustrated. this game has just been super stressful cos even when i attempted i havent felt like people have made attempts to engage or asked me my opinion on things which kind of sucks when im actively working on giving opinions, fleshing out reads and trying.

I still want to here from other people their opinion on who i target, but it feels like people only see it as either a "manatee targets whoever" or "this is a lim we dont need her input on". no ones talked to me abt dgb. no one responded when i asked to be convinced on whemestar.

I dont think of myself as a strong enough player to kill even the strongest of my scumreada without some input yknow?

Im sorry again for my frustration and making a fool of myself, and i really dont think a claim from dgb needs to happen as of now.

By the time LLD and Cab come around I'll ask for their opinions and re-evaluate from there on.

[ManateeGal]

difference btwn this and NQN is i had fun flailing around in that one

This post is crazy

As part of the hydra that led her elim, I'll confirm that she did have a good attitude about the game. she fought, but she didn't really know HOW to fight morph off.

It implies that they are flailing in this game and know it, which is a weird thing to say

I mean its pretty obvious just yelling without thought, which is gross when it happens and i'll be the first one to admit that.

[ManateeGal]

i dont think i can articulate what i mean effectively right now so im going to sleep on it

[ManateeGal]

im here!

[ManateeGal]

are you gonna attempt to engage positively dgb?

[ManateeGal]

LLD and Cab, how would you feel about me shooting dgb?

[ManateeGal]

i am not set on killing you. following a pattern of how youve been acting now i will be.

[ManateeGal]

I'm weighing the possibility that DGB and ArcAngel9 are alts of each other :/

im glad im not the only one getting flashbacks

[ManateeGal]

i am not set on killing you. following a pattern of how youve been acting now i will be.

There is ZERO chance that you are not set on killing me.

im actively trying to take pause and re-evaluate if i might be wrong about you despite the fact i'll likely get flak for it. if u continue to ignore my attempts to engage with you in a positive way im not gonna be inclined to townread you

[ManateeGal]

are you... insulting people on the basis of their negative utility roles

[ManateeGal]

sorry to everyone - i havent been putting my best foot forward and the game has gotten way too overwhelming for me.

[ManateeGal]

Manatee, I think it's getting close to Fire Emblem Awakening Fredrick-ing time

I dont play fire emblem nd am missing the reference

[ManateeGal]

i'll make the decision sometime tonight

[ManateeGal]

best of wishes

[ManateeGal]

this'll be interesting

[ManateeGal]

yea i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

[ManateeGal]

?

[ManateeGal]

yea i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

to clarify, im at present ok w using my shot but not unless the day was to end soon after

[ManateeGal]

no
i have like 12 more minutes before when i promised i'd do it but i keep second guessing

[ManateeGal]

AtE works too well on me

[ManateeGal]

and then w wheme hes been working super hard recently and i dont wanna be wrong and shoot someone when theyre getting up

[ManateeGal]

yea i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

Jesus Manatee....

Did you not think about the implications of this line of thought?

And like, that question holds through regardless of your alignment

I still dont get it

[ManateeGal]

yea i really do not want to have titus' death warrant signed and have her just wait around for the lim

Jesus Manatee....

Did you not think about the implications of this line of thought?

And like, that question holds through regardless of your alignment

I still dont get it

It suggests, unconsciously, your role claim is fake?

oh. i thought the implication of my post was i didnt want an effectively dead slot waiting around for EoD to die

[ManateeGal]

Manatee would you put your vote somewhere else if I asked?

my second one? probably

[ManateeGal]

I'd say kyouko w the caveat of sometime to do meta homework

[ManateeGal]

if i place my vote can we end the day shortly thereafter

[ManateeGal]

i think its shitty to have an effectively dead player sit around for the rest of the day and still at least have to post according to prod standards

[ManateeGal]

can confirm^

[ManateeGal]

unwnd even told me i had a potent thought last game!

[ManateeGal]

what on earth is going on

[ManateeGal]

i wasnt even planning on it

[ManateeGal]

im gonna do titus slot

[ManateeGal]

i am immeasurably confused

[ManateeGal]

Hi, I don't really like the turn this game has taken.

Manatee, what

are

you planning on doing?

killing titus w my shot

[ManateeGal]

i think it is shitty to have a player effectively dead if the lim is not gonna happen for a while after. ive said this before and will say it again

[ManateeGal]

HURT: Titus

[ManateeGal]

[ManateeGal]

UNVOTE:

[ManateeGal]

I'd like to say its not fair to put the blame on LLD for my decision. I'll continue to stand by it and take my own responsibility if you are town Titus.

[ManateeGal]

I'll be pretty out of thread for the next few days, Gr 11 starts tmrw

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: Whemestar

[ManateeGal]

cant sleep. welcome s_s

[ManateeGal]

have a somewhat recently finished scumgame w kyouko im gonna check out

[ManateeGal]

have a somewhat recently finished scumgame w kyouko im gonna check out

this game feels pretty different in the style of posting. i noticed the scumgame seemed a lot more focused on reads and drawing superficial conclusions instead of engaging and actively solving the way she has here. With other peoples given input im pretty inclined to give her a townread

[ManateeGal]

i think it might be time for me to suck it up and give kate a townread

[ManateeGal]

from what shes posted so far i'd gather youre the only one shes super comfortable engaging with, and i'd bet a lot of it boils down to nerves. I just wish she felt more comfortable so we could all have stronger reads

[ManateeGal]

it is also a holiday weekend in canada

[ManateeGal]

i misunderstood what kate was saying yes yes all true

[ManateeGal]

kept forgetting 2 search up the role on the wiki until now. it is a cool role

[ManateeGal]

i always say stuff like that is silly when i see it despite knowing it'd be hell to play

[ManateeGal]

i have to be at school in 6 and a half hours yet i find myself glued to mafia scum dot net

[ManateeGal]

@mod V/LA till friday

I'll be way less active this week

[ManateeGal]

first day of school is done! i'll be back around later tonight

[ManateeGal]

bam boom bow! whats goin on friends

[ManateeGal]

finding it easier to TR dgb and increasingly difficult to do the same for wheme, though that self meta totally threw me off balance

[ManateeGal]

i think you, wheme underwent a purposeful style change after getting in shit for having a bad iso. the sudden desire to do things in relation to your posting beforehand makes me really skeptical. Since then nothing has stuck out or impressed and I guess I am struggling to find something that changes that perspective. The self-meta only makes more skeptical youre actively trying to appear towny.

[ManateeGal]

if it makes any difference my flavour is rim from meiyuu black company

[ManateeGal]

isekai flavour i think

[ManateeGal]

just walked home in the rain D:

anything people want out of me i feel like im not pulling my weight :/

[ManateeGal]

Watch out Manatee, you might get hood flashbacks here...

as in im abt 2 get cased?

[ManateeGal]

as long as im not the victim im happy 2 sheep ffer

VOTE: S_S

[ManateeGal]

Oh shit, we swapped the polonium tea for polonium mountain dew.

[ManateeGal]

hi mr emerald

[ManateeGal]

will do my reads later emerald

[ManateeGal]

oh. its basically a dayvig activated by my second vote

[ManateeGal]

oh. its basically a dayvig activated by my second vote

How would it interact with roles that would screw with the elim?

:shrug: i dont think it would make a difference

[ManateeGal]

yeesh