mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

[Datisi]

sorry for the misunderstanding, if you got your hopes up that you're getting rid of me, sucks2bu

anyway, back to waiting to see if the game is over with a quickyeet, and if not, i might even get some life into me to carry the torch

-D

[Datisi]

i instinctively signed that lmfao pls ignore

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my issue is that i really want norwee to be scum here because some of his behaviour seemed very bad faithy towards our slot but rce planking right now doesn't look Good

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norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

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norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

It wasn’t specifically referring to RCE? It was an gamestate read.

who is the scum other than us doing it?

also how do you intend to "check" if i am scum?

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i am not sold on you being town but i currently have nothing concrete to actually point in scum!you's direction

this is subject to change once we actually get a list of claims and i try to figure out what vote is what yesterday

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yeah i read it and am processing it

i'm not quite done bc i need to recheck you/t3 interactions and find where retti said that, but yeah i will take it into account

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Not the first time i’ve lost to it, but i’ll keep trying.
Ph0enix, RCE.
People from the same cloth.

part of me was thinking how funny would it be if i voted you and you were town and we lost together again like that

also should i be worried about the fact you completely ignored my request to explain why mastina is town further than "mastina is posting"

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norwee, the issue is i see nothing but mindless tunnels that didn't make any sense, were refused to see any reason, and kept hitting town. i need a bit more than "lol effort"

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that's the issue, i don't believe her heart was truly in it

because the scumcase on bingle was absolutely godawful, imho someone having the thought is one thing, but someone repeatedly putting it out despite it making zero sense, refusing to reevaluate despite the whole game screaming how the case is utter nonsense, and then bingle flipping town is like, willful ignorance

but i am aware that i can be wrong and rn we can't afford that so i am asking you, can you make a more solid case than a one-liner?

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because the case on bingle was godawful nonsense and she kept refusing to think about it despite most of the game telling her it makes no sense? like idk how much clearer i can say that i find it unbelieveable that someone would *actually* believe the garbage she was pushing and would actively refuse to listen for a second to what the majority of the game is saying about it? like there are bad cases and there is mastina's bingle case

i am aware that i've been wrong on reads like this before and i'm aware that my experience with mastina is basically nonexistent so i am asking you to put some effort in and try to change my mind

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If Mastina’s case was so garbage why would she push it with conviction? Mastina is an player that can only fully push when they believe what they are saying. You’re not looking at the deeper subconcious level but only assuming surface level= case bad which means Mastina scum.

that's the point, i don't believe her conviction was real - scum!her could be pushing it because being tunnelled on a single town player is a great way to look busy as scum, and everyone will go "haha that's mastina"

that's what i need you to explain to me - how can you tell between town and scum her there? what about that push is her town meta and couldn't be coming from her as scum?

RCE meanwhile is saying all of the right things but their intentions are hostile.

what does this even mean - how are his intentions hostile if he's saying the right things?

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not saying you must be wrong on rce, but that post makes like, no sense without elaboration

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Here's another thing though. I don't think Ari is scum with RCE.

why and who is

also that previous post was @norwee

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@people that have been paying more attention to this game than i have - does t3's vote on rce check out?

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I am worried with a stagnant game state we will go into night without a plan at 3-3

we don't go into the night at 3-3?

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I can elaborate on Ari a different time I think.

Mmm I might be worried scum bus here to muddle associatives. Do you think Norwee/Ari/RCE is possible, for instance? Just spitballing here.

elaborate on the ari/rce not aligned read when you can, because my current solve has both of them

there's a reason i asked whether t3's vote on rce checks out, btw. i lazily crlt+f'ed "rce" in t3's iso (so it's possible i missed stuff, especially since i wasn't thoroughly reading originally), but his rce's vote feels weirdly quick. coupled with going from locktown on our slot to going lockscum based on ??? reasoning, if i had to guess a bus vote, i wouldn't say it's norwee's.

[Datisi]

Seems very unlikely for scum!T3 to do that instead of just voting to kill me if RCE was their partner

because that means at least 1 town would be voting me right now

so T3 could just quickhammer me with his remaining teammate.

don't see how this one has to be true?

[Datisi]

yes, that's the current idea i'm mulling over

t3 seeing earlier that things are possibly going to shit with you voting rce and making sure they're on the right side of history if worse comes to worst - that's also why i keep asking whether t3's vote on rce checks out, because it feels rather sudden

ari seems like she took my indecision around mastina and decided to try to attack you rather than bus

is there anything i'm missing that makes that team clearly unviable?

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also i looked at schadd's iso and i couldn't find a single vc yesterday where t3 was voting rce, which made me all the more ??? at how certain he seemed at that vote today

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I mean, post 1800 and 1802 is kinda awkward with the extremely fast unvote.

lasted all of minute and a half

usually i'd say something like that is -partners because who would do that, but my limited exp with scum!t3 + the reputation i've heard makes me think that's not out of his scumrange

pedit: lol that vote
2029 shows tied wagons and i see dwlee was kinda indecisive there
which i guess means t3's vote isn't completely out of the blue, but it still feels too easy

[Datisi]

Tell me i’m not being crazy here anyone.

wish i could

@t3 you're free to explain your trajectory on my slot whenever you're ready

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that's not gonna cut it

i need that more in depth + quotes/links

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i think be broke t3 x_x

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you were calling retti scummy for being angry which is one of the reasons i am very :thonk: on your reads here being genuine or good faith

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i'm here pretending to be following along when in reality i'll probably end up sheeping retti's read of scum probably not shitpushing tldne out of the game yesterday had tldne/rce been town/town, as tldne was publicly pained

i should probably take a look at why/when aristeia decided to vote norwee, gonna try to do that within the next 12 hours i guess lol

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@norwee, can you stop pretending like i'm confirmed scum fypov when you have zero reason to do so, thanks

ironically it makes me think you're town more bc i'm not sure if scum!you would be antagonizing me here right now with otherwise no gain (since t3 is already voting rce anyway, not like he can unvote) but holy fuck it's annoying and can we not throw the game at this hour pls

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that's problematic. why?

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Cause if you're not scum with Norwee and mastina is town then norwee is voting scum and Ari is scum probably so you'd be scum?

and t3 cannot be scum in that scenario becaaaaauseee...?

tbh my hope is that (1) we vote out rce and he flips of red (2) aristeia is confirmed scum since she was voting norwee for like the whole time (unless norwee/rce were bussing which uh, what) so we yeet her (3) through the black magic fuckery of night actions in a no-factional-nightkill game, we manage to sneak another yeet in so that i don't have to convince the rest of you to vote t3

granted this assumes my solve is right (which now that i think about it, might not be considering the speed with which you hammered tldne when i started reevaling s_s but that's neither here nor there) and there's a question of whether rce/ari would lock themselves into this, but then again i did say ari could've seen my indecisiveness towards mastina and voted there

that is still something i want to at least look at again but my brain is not working right now

[Datisi]

oh wait retti had an rce/dwlee not partners read right? i might decide to sheep that then blame him if it's wrong lel

[Datisi]

@norwee, that is fair i definitely haven't been doing my usual elo play, but honestly i urge you to have a real-time posting session w me at some point. scum!me freezes up constantly in real time posting, especially in elo. like, read my last two-three scum elos, i can't fake that yet.

pedit: norwee have you forgotten that event where i was like "hey t3 could be scum" abd you were like "holy hell"

[Datisi]

I don't know how to say this to your face Datisi... but you're scum.

and again with the nonsense shitpush wee

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like literally t3 why is my slot scum

you jumped at retti being an ass and latched onto that being scum!indicative like dude pls you're not that bad

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unless rce absolutely blows my mind with *something*, i will most likely be voting there before deadline

not right now because i'm pretending to still be sorting ari's vote on you or something but we have time

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norwee can you piss off with that dumb shade

[Datisi]

yeah, i'm reading along with the garbage y'all are posting, you got me

if i were scum with rce, i'd be doing exactly what t3 is doing. which is pop a bus vote early and then sit there and do nothing and hope that someone misvotes so that i could switch. and i'm getting increasingly worried about the fact that aristeia has completely stopped talking to me today - like i don't remember a single post she made towards me. which is like, i guess more fuel for that theory

[Datisi]

So your solve is RCE/Ari/T3?

ಠ_ಠ

how long have i been saying that now?

t3 is a semi-wildcard and i would need to review whatever retti said about you/rce but independent of that, t3 strikes me as possible rce partner because he made sure to be on that vote as early as possible (i.e. as soon as relatively townread norwee voted there) but he's been doing next to nothing to actually push that through, and he's went from being locktown on our slot to apparently being sure it's the scumteam because of lolwhat reasons

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actually, here's another thing - in a recently finished 2226, t3 was basically locktowned on day 1 because he made some convoluted meta case of me being town. while i don't think that case was 100% accurate, it was obvious there was genuine effort put into it. and that was day 1, with very low stakes. we're at lylo now. how much effort has he put into reading my slot? especially since reading through some of my scum lylos would make it very obvious what my alignment is? like

[Datisi]

also retti was scummy

where and why was retti scummy

you latched onto him when he got pissed off at this game

give a more elaborate reason why only scum gets pissed off and town doesn't, give alternate elaborate reasons why you found him scummy, or go back to your shitty bus

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you are still free to explain why that post is scummy :upside_down_emoji:

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and it better be fucking good, considering it made you go form "gcb locktown" to "gcb lockscum with absolutely no willingness to reevaluate the lylo play"

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at what point do you mean

if you're talking day 1/2, she was acting scummy as fuck and her cases were utter garbage. i'm not backing down from that. if it's allegedly her meta to do that, that's something else, but i played with mastina once before, a year and a half ago, and in a game where i quickly became demotivated for other reasons and stopped reading it. there was no way for me to know that meta. i believe i even asked about it, but all i got in return was "hurr durr mastina is town because she's posting". i didn't find that convincing, i *still* don't find that convincing. do you think it's really far fetched for town!me to go "hey, this person that's been tunnelling and pushing nothing but a broken nonsense scumcase on a person i find towny (and i was right!!) and is refusing to elaborate and listen to any kind of reason might be scum"? like

if you're talking today, i wasn't arguing for mastina scum, i was asking you to explain why she's town. the reasons for her being scum don't go away, fuck they gained strength with bingle flipping green. but we're at the end of the game where i know i don't have room to be wrong anymore. and i wasn't gonna change my mind on mastina before being sure that i should

[Datisi]

do you actually find my questions scummy or are you just annoyed i wasn't willing to blindly follow you on it?

or let's go another way, why do i even spend that energy arguing with YOU? it's obvious mastina thinks you're town and you think mastina is town. you'd been arguing for that the entire game. if i wanted to try to get either one of you yeeted, what the hell do i gain by trying to change your mind?

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like, sorry i am actually trying to solve the game and am not brainlessly nodding along to what you're saying

which is incidentally what scum would be doing here if they thought it would be beneficial to them

*cough*

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jesus fuck i can't wait for this to be norwee/mastina/dwlee and i turn out to be a complete fucking idiot again

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jesus fuck i can't wait for this to be norwee/mastina/dwlee and i turn out to be a complete fucking idiot again

Wouldn't RCE be dead?

jesus fuck i can't wait for this to be norwee/mastina/dwlee and i turn out to be a complete fucking idiot again

this cant be the scum team because they would have already won by now.

do i LOOK LIKE i'm keeping track of what is going on

[Datisi]

Datisi wanna kill RCE?

you can vote him if you want

i'm currently not in the headspace for putting votes down in high stakes lylo

[Datisi]

But anyway the only team where RCE is town is Norwee/t3/Ari but like why would that be the team y'know what I mean

how again?

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there's 7 people alive but only 2 of them have been voting rce for a prolonged period of time therefore it didn't make sense how are they coming to a certain solve when assuming town!rce

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Okay so datisi I think you're town cause you're awesome right. And mastina town cause she is. So then three scum are voting. Cause I'm not scum. Okay so the only world where RCE is town then would be norwee, t3, and Ari being scum. But if that isn't a thing then it's just RCE

does this imply your solve is rce/ari/t3? like, if you were townreading me, why were you surprised to see that that's my solve? like why were you townreading me for then?

[Datisi]

present and not hammering. no idea what scumteams that rules out, but yeah. anyway. time to die of anxiety for the next while.

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okay, so... with norwee/t3/mastina voting rce, that has to be the exact scumteam if rce is town, right?

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dwlee, you are aware rce is at y-1 and you wouldn't longcon this riiiight?

oh no, i'm having hope for this game...

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just going to clarify that mafia wins when they control half of the vote during a day phase

doesn't this mean that if we misyeet today, the game is over immediately? that's how i read it

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i mean, if rce was town, i assume scum would've cleared it up with schadd on whether they can quickhammer for the win or no

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i mean i GUESS it is slightly ambiguous

anyone feel like pming schadd? i don't feel like having my hopes destroyed by technicalities now

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actually no it was me/norwee/mastina

pedit: i wonder where that link leads

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ok t3

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lovely to see he still hasn't explained shit but that's ok, easier for me

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nothing in your iso explains the literal 180 you did on my slot and calling it poe is laughably bad

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still doesn't explain the 180, but meh, i'm not the one you'll be having to convince anyway, so

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okay so during the night i actually bothered to open gcb's iso and retti did indeed say dwlee/rce are never partners so i will be sheeping that

do we claim actions or just yeet

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i absolutely do not believe norwee was bussing yesterday

and while i know there's nothing that scum!aristeia could possibly be doing differently in this situation, i still feel... bad? idunno. maybe scared she's actually green. but surely not... surely that wasn't a bus.

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has it been confirmed that it has to be parity at daystart and not at nightstart? i still didn't quite get schadd's explanation

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maybe it doesn't actually matter

i don't think norwee or you make sense as rce partners, and by now i believe mastina is out of her scumrange, so

ari flipping green would mean that i'm wrong on something of the above, but in that universe i think we just lose anyway since i don't think i win the fight with any scum in that group, if i figured out who it is in the first place

is there a point in massclaiming last night's actions and new potions in order to try to break this game mechanically? i forget what the odds are for scum to have a lot of dmp's, which is something that would potentially screw us over, but if there's a way to clear out both me and t3 in one night, that might be preferable assuming we don't misflip today

actually scum can't use more than one pain potion even with dmp

someone smarter than me figure this out pls, i need to sleep

[Datisi]

RCE-Aristeia-T3: possible, although it requires T3 to have been bussing both of his partners yesterday.

ding ding ding

i will repeat what i said yesterday - t3 drew away from rce on d2 as much as possible, plopped a vote on him as soon as he saw norwee was serious about murdering rce om d3, did nothing to actually push rce through, and did the still unexplained 180 on our slot that he tried to bury as poe or something. there was a bus vote yesterday, and this absolutely fits the picture. i can go in detail with relevant posts tomorrow if needed.

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i vaguely remember that but also not really, could you link it?

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Here is my plan:

- Kill Aristeia. We go into night 4v1 town/mafia.
- I jailkeep main suspect Datisi. Nobody uses potion.
- We eliminate Datisi, if that fails i jailkeep T3 and we eliminate him. As long as we agree on an Aristeia scumflip that mafia is NEVER: Me/Dwlee/Mastina. This is auto.

this is fine. my only question is if we could yeet t3 > me, since i haven't been misyeeted in almost a year and a half, and would really like to keep that streak going. especially wouldn't want it ruined by a bus that crappy >_>

but i do think that plan is autowin, so.

[Datisi]

oh btw, i had one jailkeep potion, and i used it on t3 last night. y'all are welcome.

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none, all i had was one jailkeep.

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because i didn't have any better targets on previous nights, and i know jailkeep is much more useful when you know exactly what you're doing. i did think of jailing aristeia, but i assumed town was gonna try to pain her during the night, so...

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I think what i find weird about T3’s play if he bussed is how half-assed it was.
He didn’t go all in for it, but just voted RCE and then mostly went afk when the game got intense between me/Aristeia.
If T3 is scum then i also don’t think he really expected scum!Aristeia to win yesterday. So then why was Aristeia going so hard, and why would he choose such an strategy?

i have no idea. my best guess is that t3 went the designated deepwolf route, plopped a bus vote down then did nothing to push it, but also did nothing to go against it should rce get yeeted. and that aristeia saw my indecision about mastina and thought that would mean she could convince me to vote you yesterday. this isn't... perfect, but i know i'm town and every other solution is less likely imo.

[Datisi]

yeah. why would you? that would've increased the odds the town thinks we're not s/s, and good knows you needed me as a misyeet if rce fell.

[Datisi]

still not perfect, and if aristeia flips green the game will be extremely spicy (and possibly lost come morning) but i just don't think that happens :/

i do feel sad we have to yeet ari but i guess that's fate sometimes

[Datisi]

at 6 alive the town has 2 eliminations, not just one. my flip gurantees they finally catch you.

not if we misyeet and scum manages to kill someone. in the cursed world where ari is green, it's all but confirmed norwee/t3, and we just need to somehow survive the night. sounds like a plan

[Datisi]

-Tomorrow we eliminate Datisi

-D6, we eliminate T3

otherwise, plan is fine.

[Datisi]

also i harmod ari to see if i could confirm someone's action, got no result

norwee, the fuck are you on about, "no result" means "my action failed and i did not receive a result", not "no visitors"

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also the fact that t3 went from "datisi and i are confirmed to have not lied about our night actions" into "ye this is autowin but let me go against the actual autowin and not vote literally outed scum" should tell you everything you need to know holy shit

[Datisi]

If a Tracker's action itself fails, it does not produce any results; the Tracker will get a "no result" PM. If the action succeeds, this produces a result that is clearly distinguishable from a "no result" PM (even if no actions were observed by the successful track); for example, a Tracker who is roleblocked might get a PM "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result", whereas a Tracker who tracks a Vanilla Townie might get a result of "Target did not target anybody last night".

a segment from the wiki, "no result" is literally always used as "your action failed" when it comes to roles like tracker/watcher and the idea that i apparently wouldn't even notice i'm putting out a screwy fakeclaim is like, lol?

[Datisi]

i think that is hammer, so assuming that is indeed red:

-Nobody with a pain potion uses the pain potion
-Norwee jailkeeps Datisi
-Tomorrow we eliminate

Datisi

t3

and obviously if ari green, murder norwee etc.

[Datisi]

so... nice weather.

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i'm currently sick

do i have to actually spend time explaining why it makes no sense why i'm scum and why t3 should be yeeted or

bc like i feel like not doing that but i also feel some obligation to try to not get yeeted

VOTE: t3

also i didn't do shit last night so

[Datisi]

because literally any scum would've actually killed last night to conftown me (if they're even able to, considering scum can use only one pain per night no matter what), right?

t3 voting me yesterday makes zero sense from a town pov

once again, his trajectory on my slot is absolutely disgusting and no matter what he says, nowhere in his iso is it actually explained other than "retti made this one scummy post"

aristeia going all in on voting you make no sense in ari/t3/rce world. you know why? because scum wouldn't consciously tie themself so hard to their teammate if they didn't think the risk outweighed the possible reward. tell me, what are the odds ari changed a townie's mind in that universe? as opposed to a universe where i am town and showing skepticism towards mastina?

and, i'm not a bad scum player. i'm not amazing and i have made blunders, but come on. do you think i wouldn't understand how doing what i did on d3 would've been the absolute worst possible play? standing besides and trying to change the minds of you/mastina, who have made it loud and clear you're not budging on each other? like come on. what is more likely, that the third scum was standing besides like an idiot or that they threw on an early bus vote that they put no effort into actually pushing? like

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i am kind of at the point where i am willing to hand the game to dwlee/mastina if they're scum. i don't think it's likely, and usually i would actually try to reread the parts that apparently make dwlee town, but my god i have no energy

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i did catch a post where dwlee was like "i don't think rce/ari are partners" and sure in retrospect that looks kinda bad so if they want to explain / link the explanation, that's dope, but i don't know if i would hold that one post against them to the point where i consider them scum before t3

[Datisi]

aristeia going all in on voting you make no sense in ari/dats/rce world

ebwop

unfortunate typo

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like, in that universe town!t3 was already voting rce

and i believe mastina/dwlee were at least leaning on norwee being town, if not outright townreading him

so which townie is aristeia trying to convince by so blantly connecting herself to rce

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Actually i would be fine voting T3 because if he flipped green i'd just JK you again? Idk. But then i'm also afraid if scum wasn't you. So yeah, probably should think more deeply about it just to make sure before i place my vote.

that's fine. either there's a kill and i have the pleasure of being conftown in a godwaful final 3, or there's no kill, i eat the yeet tomorrow, and y'all try to salvage the game by somehow blocking the nightkill or healing or whatever.

i m honestly scared of the scenario where t3 flips green because i am never going to be able to convince the rest of you to mot murder me tomorrow but it is what it is

[Datisi]

not sure what the test was testing but aight

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i really hope i'm right because if so that list is lmfao

and also i'm not sure dwlee just puts both partners at the bottom? like

[Datisi]

my doctor gave me some drugs and i feel not dead now so if anyone wants to actually talk to me, i'll be around

i don't have any pain potions, i can claim what i have if needed but also i don't see the need for it right now

[Datisi]

Datisi if I was evil I think I'd want you gone first cause I'd be worried you'd obvtown into killing me

this is understandable

are you evil and is that why you want me to die today

[Datisi]

norwee

let's say you're scum in f7. you see an obvtown person angling to vote your partner. do you

a) bus immediately while proclaiming a different townie as 100% scum even though you had previously locktowned them and you have no progression there (seriously why does everyone keep fucking ignoring this!) and then do literal jackshit to push the vote through and hope that your 3rd teammate sways someone

b) stand around like an idiot doing nothing but questioning the townreads two townies have on each other, despite it being plainly obvious neither of them is budging

like i get that on levrl zero thinking eod3 vc looks bad for me but holy fucking hell, think about it for more than 3 seconds

[Datisi]

t3 will probably hammer me when he appears, and like, i'm disappointed in town here that thinks that's how scum!me would've played that d3 and you're going by the most surface level logic of "well being off scum wagon is obvious scum" because nobody has ever bussed, especially when there's townie town voting your partner and you have to set up for future days, right

jail t3 and kill him tomorrow

if dwlee is scum then good job, i am getting some paranoia pings from them saying how they'd want me dead first and aren't doing much to argue me!town but also like, if they're scum then i'd rather have t3 have to go through the pain of arguing that tomorrow and getting misvoted for the loss

[Datisi]

literally your only argument for me!town was "i want my early reads to be right" and if there every was an argument that was designed to not convince anyone ever, that's it

which feeds into your "scum!me would want datisi dead first"

but obviously i don't think this outweighs everything townie you've done or what scummy things t3 has done, i am just incredibly annoyed (and slightly paranoid but it's way too late for that)

pedit: ok that's a bit better

[Datisi]

one doc potion

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there we go

now excuse me as i drown in anxiety while waiting for the schadd to arrive

[Datisi]

i was this close -><- to having a breakdown when that happened

but then i remembered that c9++ game and i was like "pls say sike" and he did

if schadd does that though i'm done

[Datisi]

i wanted to make a meme scumclaim but the goddamn images just don't want to link correctly

oh well

still town tho

[Datisi]

holy shit, i was actually right on d3

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gg thank for mod

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aristeia, i am still so sad we weren't able to win together again

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you are not

we should rand scum together sometime, i now get the feeling that would be a fun scum pt

[Datisi]

that game does not exist

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part of me wants to hear what aristeia thinks of my scumgame, the other part knows i'm not ready to hear the harsh truth