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The Limit Does Not Exist (3): Green Cap Boys, Aristeia

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happy scumday norweeb!

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I was going to read the game but I ended up staring at Datisi's gif instead

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Also Emperor turning into an anime meme account that posted two gifs and then walked away is REALLY tanking my read on their slot.

don't worry norweeb

more gifs are coming!

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I've never seen SS claim to be "sure" of anything in his life so this is a new experience.

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Can it instead be Romeo and Juliet, but the version from the 90's with all the leather outfits?

I would love to be Juliet

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I've never seen SS claim to be "sure" of anything in his life so this is a new experience.

Did I say that here? I didn't mean to.

-S

Well you called it a scum claim and you sound very very confident

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aristeia, would you skim/read the game for me and give some thoughts on it? ^_^

pedit: norwee shut up

-D

Do I have to? I really hate reading and I was just hoping you would be town and I could sheep you because I luv doing that.

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I just iso'd Limit and F4'd for T3 and its like all over the place.

I don't really understand the progression from T3 town, t3 NAI, t3 i dont know to T3 is lockscum lets kill him?

It feels quite reachy and desperate.

I don't think it's something I've ever seen SS do before? pls correct me if I'm wrong.

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Datisi you owe me a cute anime gif for making me use brain cells on this game

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maybe Bingle and Fairy Circle are scum together and they've decided to do some very hardcore distancing that allows them to do nothing and get away with it

thoughts that float through my head because Datisi made me put on a thinking cap.

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omg im dead

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if they were trying to e reachy and desperate, why would the start a whole new wagon, and not promote a wagon that already exists?

I was unaware there was another counterwagon they could vote for?

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wasn't Limit voting for RCE and then when that wagon dissolved they hopped to T3?

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how's this one?

I'm so happy I could cry

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Datisi are you town?


I'm scared again.

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DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

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i didnt read the game at all i just joined to flirt with datisi

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norweeb is datisi town?

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i just want him to promise me he's town

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Not an fan of Aristeia either, i liked their previous slot but this new one is just awful and not trying to solve at all.

do you understand that a player slot doesn't change alignment when a replacement happens?

because if you do, this post is kind of awful.

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Them putting in a lot of effort into looking town doesn’t mean i can reconsider when an replacement doesn’t even seem remotely concerned about putting in effort into solving when it’s ElO.

are you reconsidering because you think I'm mafia or are you reconsidering because you think I'm vulnerable and easy to push?

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I thought you expressed suspicion before I replaced in?

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Aristeia going from flirty and fluffy fluffcloud to an hostile alien the moment i voice suspicion also makes me inclined to believe that i am correct.

so originally you said I'm scum because I'm a fluffy fluffcloud

but now that I'm engaging you and trying to figure out how much you believe your bad read on me, I'm now also scum for not being a fluffy fluffcloud?

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I don't understand how you can be so confident as town Norwee.

Haven't you been on literally every mis elim this game?

Like what are you even doing?

Have you actually ever sat down and wondered if you're in someone's pocket or are you just going to push on mis elim after another?

I don't know if you're town being like really bad or scum powerwolfing for the last elim but like if you actually vote me here this throw is 100% on you.

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can you give me the case for RCE scum?

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I'm playing mafia?
So like, because i was on the wrong eliminations for most of the game i should just break down and cry? Is that what you're saying? I'm doing my best and if it fails then unfortunately that means scum wins. And maybe i'll improve later.
Or i can keep trying and try to get at least some reads right.

That's not what I'm saying.

I can understand you being overconfident if we had just nailed a baddie and we're cruising to a win.

I don't understand your overconfidence when we've literally hit 0 scum and every wagon yesterday was on a town player.

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I already posted my reasons earlier. When RCE called me toxic.
And that is also combined with the lack of interest in voting RCE yesterday from most players.
My image of yesterday as being town mostly voting town also fits with the image of an mafia team that had an relatively inactive player that sat things out- I,e, Emperor.

There were three wagons yesterday at EOD.

They all flipped town.

Your solution is "let's open door #4"

link me the case I'll read it.

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Doesn't this just have to do with playstyle?
And if i really was so overconfident i would probably have voted RCE this very second, potential scum quickhammer be damned. I'm just very vocal about my opinions, which i always have been.

Do you really not have doubts as a town player when you get things wrong over and over?

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Who are we waiting for to claim?

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I didn't use any pain potions.

I have one pain potion in my inventory.

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It feels to me like the major scum strategy for ElO was: "Make Mastina look scummy because they led eliminations on town!!" and when both me and T3 said: "nah dawg" they were like: "well shit, we’re all out of ideas…"

who are you even talking about?

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I don't see anything in RCE's iso that suggests he thinks Mastina is scum so I'm confused why Norwee is saying that's the scum plan while voting for RCE.

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If you hit town at any point it kinda does. Getting the clean sweep though I see.

My wagon yesterday didn't hit resistance. I had 3-4 votes the whole day and it didn't switch until Mastina campaigned for tldne based on bingle not picking up steam. Bingle refused to go on me even as our wagons competed and I read that as highly town indicative. That might be hindsight making it stronger now cuz, well FC was town too but at the time I wasn't convinced with Mastinas case and me voting bingle would have to be something pretty damning.

I threw the possibility of Mastina!scum at bingle yesterday and he remained adamant this was their towngame and I'm inclined to believe it.

So with that said my wagon lost steam with tldne's picking up off the back of Mastinas vote. With the way bingle/FC played out yesterday AND knowing both had a shot n1 (my bad, I know) I figure scum saw the support to elim I had but backed Mastinas push to preserve a miselim today with the idea that BOTH bingle and FC would be night kills.

Unless the team is me+Mastina+whoever, then you could argue scum actively moved against my elim for preservation instead of changing gears for the win.

this is the only post he makes today about Mastina and it implies he's in the Mastina!Town camp?

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RCE’s play is very lackluster here if he was town.
No sense of urgency whatsoever considering this would in theory be game losing from his POV.
That is why i believe he is scum and submitting to his fate.

why would scum be demotivated from playing this game when there are zero scum deaths and they are on the verge of winning?

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It feels to me like the major scum strategy for ElO was: "Make Mastina look scummy because they led eliminations on town!!" and when both me and T3 said: "nah dawg" they were like: "well shit, we’re all out of ideas…"

who are you even talking about?

I don't see anything in RCE's iso that suggests he thinks Mastina is scum so I'm confused why Norwee is saying that's the scum plan while voting for RCE.

If you hit town at any point it kinda does. Getting the clean sweep though I see.

My wagon yesterday didn't hit resistance. I had 3-4 votes the whole day and it didn't switch until Mastina campaigned for tldne based on bingle not picking up steam. Bingle refused to go on me even as our wagons competed and I read that as highly town indicative. That might be hindsight making it stronger now cuz, well FC was town too but at the time I wasn't convinced with Mastinas case and me voting bingle would have to be something pretty damning.

I threw the possibility of Mastina!scum at bingle yesterday and he remained adamant this was their towngame and I'm inclined to believe it.

So with that said my wagon lost steam with tldne's picking up off the back of Mastinas vote. With the way bingle/FC played out yesterday AND knowing both had a shot n1 (my bad, I know) I figure scum saw the support to elim I had but backed Mastinas push to preserve a miselim today with the idea that BOTH bingle and FC would be night kills.

Unless the team is me+Mastina+whoever, then you could argue scum actively moved against my elim for preservation instead of changing gears for the win.

this is the only post he makes today about Mastina and it implies he's in the Mastina!Town camp?

He also chose to not address any of this while spamming the thread with his nonsensical push on RCE.

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It's strange to me how Town!Norwee can come into the game thread wanting to kill RCE/Me.

come up with "meta" as a defense for Mastina and put her as a defacto townread because it's "impossible for her to powerwolf.

claim the entire scum team is trying to kill Mastina,

and then vote for RCE/Me - when neither of us tried to kill Mastina, if anything RCE came into today saying that he thought Mastina was town.

when called on it he just handwaves it and continues pushing RCE who is just not even here.

I feel it's fairly likely this is a Norwee/T3 scum team and they are trying to pocket Mastina into voting for RCE.

I don't really have any hope for this game because it feels like we're very close to losing and I'm not as committed as people who have been here the entire time,

I know Mastina is already leaning towards voting for RCE so if that's the end there then let's just lose - I'm not really interested in getting upset about this like TLDNE was.

I will be throwing my pain potion at Norwee if RCE flips town and if there's another townie out there with a pain potion I suggest you do so as well.

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While it’s unfortunate to have Retti leave on such an bad note, i think this is the best for us both assuming he really is that annoyed at me.

I just want it noted for posterity that Norwee continues to refuse to address the fact that his game state read and his pushes have been utterly inconsistent and has moved into nonstop push mode.

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Justifying using poison on me?

why would I not use my poison on you if RCE flips town?

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Because the game would be over?

sounds like you know RCE flips town here and you're voting him anyway

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Why would you care about me paining you if RCE flips town if you think RCE/Me are scum/scum?

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I don’t. I was simply making an remark.
Anyway this is pointless bickering. I only need to make sure Mastina is convinced you are scum.
And to check if Datisi is really scum or not.

1. What's the point of the remark? It feels like you're slipping that I am town(since why would scum!me give a shit about anything you say) and you're worried that you will get pained if RCE flips town(because if that happens you might still lose tommorrow)

2. Why does it even matter for you if Mastina is convinced that

I

am scum? You are trying to yeet RCE right now, my alignment is not actually the point, what do you even gain from convincing her that

I

am scum? It feels like you're just trying to discredit my counterargument because you don't want to address it.

3. How does this exchange have anything to do with Datisi?

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norwee, can yoi address why you thought scum was trying to get mastina yeeted and then you kept yelling how rce is the best yeet?

It wasn’t specifically referring to RCE? It was an gamestate read.

I don't understand how you can have a game state read that says the scum have chosen to try to kill Mastina today and then vote for someone whose only comment about Mastina is to say she's town.

Feels like something fake you made up and don't actually believe.

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So am I being honeypotted?

I'm going to give you 24 hours to apologize to me and if you don't I'm going to vote you and I won't care if we lose

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This is the most asinine and ridiculous thing I've ever read on this website.

what is wrong with you?

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I'm literally the only person even defending you out of every player here and you come up with I AM SCUM HONEYPOTTING YOU

ARE YOU SERIOUS

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like its not enough I have to replace into a game where scum are just cruising to a win with 0 deaths but now you literally dont even show up to play while they r pushing you with nonsense that's not even consistent and just going "vote RCE" over and over again and they're probly just going to yeet your ass for the win since you cant even bother to log in to play and im like trying to get you to have even a small chance of survivng and your idea is that IM HONEYPOTTING YOU

what world are you even living on?

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I don't have a great feeling about flipping RCE.

It feels like he's just going to be the default elimination here and nobody is doing anything to stop it except me and I know I'm town - so where are his teammates and what are they doing?

I mean maybe I'm being pocketed and the scum are just not doing anything in hopes that I vote Norwee and then they rush in and vote him off for the kill but nobody's really persuading me to vote for Norwee here.

Do we have anyone with a pain potion that could help me kill Norwee if RCE flips town here?

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I would like to eliminate correctly but I'd also like to have a contingency plan in case we miss. I am worried with a stagnant game state we will go into night without a plan at 3-3

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Mastina you should take care of yourself first and get some sleep.

The game will still be here when you wake up.

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I know I'm town so I know that RCE can't be scum because I literally can't find two partners for RCE.

Can you give me two partners for RCE that make sense given that I know I'm town?

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Highly doubt RCE/Norwee are scum/scum because bussing is very suboptimal in a nightless elo

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I could read this game and put effort into it.

However I saw where that got the previous town players who tried to steer towards other areas.

They were simply ignored, shouted down and murdered.

I have no interest in putting effort into this game as fmpov this is almost certainly lost as town players refuse to see basic reason and instead listen to someone who is just shouting "rce scum".

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at this point you are just open-wolfing because you believe the win is very close and easy for you to get.

I think this implies Mastina town as there's no reason for you to be so confident with no movement from Dwlee or Datisi.


VOTE: NorwegianBoy


I don't have any confidence she will be able to exit this pocket as she hasn't really listened to any town players this game at all so I'm going to just stop trying at this point.

You can have fun gloating all you want.

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I’m over with this whining, i’m just so over it.
Pulling the plug on RCE is so fricking hard because he is scum here, anyone should be able ro see it.

This doesn't even make any sense for Town!You to say.

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Your entire analysis of the game state is criminally flawed in many respects.

You claim that the scum have decided to push Mastina in for Elo win - however neither I nor RCE, whom you have been slamming as "lockscum" have even pushed Mastina at all.

The only people who have expressed interest in Mastina's elim[Datisi/Dwlee], happen to be the people you are

appealing

to for votes to slam RCE out of the game - a slip of perspective that is inconsistent.

When called on logic/reasoning, you default to shitpushing and repeating "RCE scum" over and over again and complain he's not dead yet.

I think if anyone were to actually take the time to read what you are doing, they would realize you are doing a last ditch push for the win.

You are more or less depending on a demoralized town that has not hit a single scum to be ambivalent and allow you to push through this final mis-elimination.

You express

extreme

confidence in Mastina's "Towni-ness" despite multiple mis-elim pushes from her slot.

The only people who are

that

confident at Elo about someone's towniness like that are scum - for they know who the town are and they know who they are pocketing.

White-knighting at Elo establishes thread control for you in the Mastina!Town scenario - you can either direct her to push someone, or if someone town votes for her, you can always hammer after your teammates get on board the wagon. Either way she is like a shield for you.

I think it's quite clever how you played this game, using Mastina to push out town player after town player - it's almost like hitching a ride on a bus as it runs people over one after another - you've more or less hidden in her blind spot as it's fairly easy to pocket her by "locktowning" her and letting her play the game in single player mode.

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Whichever of Datisi/Dwlee is scum here, you’ll probably just be better off bussing RCE/Aristeia because this is just getting embarrassing.

again just 0 content shitpushing.

He can't actually address the logic because he knows he doesn't have anything

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Look at that high WIM from supposed town!RCE that went bowling the moment he got wagoned/scumread. And Aristeia swooping in like an shiny knight in armour to save their frozen scum partner.

If I were scum I would just tell him how to fight you in the scum PT.

I never directly interfere with my scum partners fights.

also RCE has posted more content than you have today,

99% of what you've posted is basically

"Mastina so 100000% town"

"RCE 100000% scum kill him"

repeated over and over again.

Your only bit of actual logic was a game state read that was criminally faked.

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That’s a lot of words from someone that barely cared about the game and just went "Look at me Datisi-senpai!" until RCE wagon hit too close to home.

If RCE was my scumpartner and frozen in headlights I would've coached him on how to respond to you.

If he's unable to follow basic instructions I would just bus him.

I only care because I'm fairly sure this is going to end in a scum win if he gets flipped.

If I'm the only player on the townside who cares enough to even try to stop you then we just lose and it is what it is.

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You express extreme confidence in Mastina's "Towni-ness" despite multiple mis-elim pushes from her slot.

You still pushing this line? Mastina is undoubtedly town because all my experience with their slot and 100% correct read rate in past games tell me so.

You've seen Mastina!town push multiple mis-elims in the past? One after another?

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The only people who are that confident at Elo about someone's towniness like that are scum - for they know who the town are and they know who they are pocketing.

Aha, but see.
My supposed confidence stems from the fact that i voted RCE. And i know i am town, yet there are 3 scum in this game.
So why no quickhammer from mafia? Are they not doing it? Did they simply not have everyone online at the same time? Did they decide to troll and just do nothing?
No. It’s obvious that irregardless of my allignment i DO have confidence to believe my read on RCE is correct here. So the claim that only scum is confident is wrong.

You expressed extreme confidence before you voted for RCE

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You're getting your timeline mixed up because it's all lies

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You express extreme confidence in Mastina's "Towni-ness" despite multiple mis-elim pushes from her slot.

You still pushing this line? Mastina is undoubtedly town because all my experience with their slot and 100% correct read rate in past games tell me so.

You've seen Mastina!town push multiple mis-elims in the past? One after another?

are you going to answer this?

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You're getting your timeline mixed up because it's all lies

Sorry, it’s hard when i don’t have an scum PT to take notes like you do.

I've never taken notes on a game in my life

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Also you don't really need notes to keep your timeline correct because it's usually just what you think.

When your reasoning is fake, that's when you can get the timing mixed up.

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I have seen Mastina be criminally wrong multiple times.

Did you try to stop her then?

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if town!you knows that town!mastina can be criminally wrong on multiple reads, why would you not stop her from killing townie after townie?

it feels like it was scum!you's plan all along to let Mastina kill everyone, because after all as long as you pocket her you are never really at risk.

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That’s not me being scum. That’s just me being me.
If anything i am less likely to mess that up as scum. Because as town i just post without a care in the world. But as scum i want to be careful.

are you really going to claim scum!you doesn't mess up because I can pull meta too

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I have seen Mastina be criminally wrong multiple times.

Did you try to stop her then?

No. I let her push her solve because i thought it was correct and i trusted their allignment.
In the previous MBOS she killed town!FL but i fully supported the push because i trusted them and FL seemed like an good elimination.

So you have meta that town!mastina can be criminally wrong and instead of diverting her off and re-assessing you rode her to kill townie after townie and now you're at Elo with 0 flipped scum.

That's not a town Mindset.

That's a scum norwee taking advantage of Mastina.

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This is an stupid question. I trusted Mastina and thought they might be correct.
Obviously i didn’t know for 100% sure they were pushing an townie everytime.

you just admitted you've seen her be criminally wrong.

it makes 0 sense to sheep someone who you know can be criminally wrong

if you are town

it makes a lot of sense to sheep her if you're scum and you want her to flip all the townies for you, you don't even have to do any work!

just at the end when she's depressed because she's got 0 scum flips, you show up

confidently declare to everyone she MUST BE TOWN

and then start shit pushing the weakest link left - since you only need Mastina to vote with you and the game is over and you win.

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You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?

You yourself said Mastina!town is criminally wrong often

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in fact her highest confidence townread is

usually scum

why do you think LLD flips her readslist upside down every time she decides Mastina is town?


that's the town mindset.

You basically just used Mastina to kill everyone in this town while shitpushing with your drivel

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Ah yes, but the LLD tell isn’t: "her highest townread in ElO is scum."
It’s: "her highest townread in the first reads list in the game is scum"

Who was that?

LLD's mindset is the

town mindset

when she identifies Mastina town, she always flips the readslist and kills from the other direction.

She

NEVER

kills the bottom of the readslist because those are usually all town.

This is

known Mastina Meta

So how exactly does Mr. Mastina Meta Expert Norwee decide it's a good idea to kill the bottom of her readslist?

You even admitted yourself you knew she was frequently criminally wrong.

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I'm bringing up how LLD treats Mastina's townreads because they're usually wrong because you have decided to defend yourself with "Mastina says I'm 95% town" therefore I must be town!


You're now trying to bring up a readslist from 2500 posts ago when those reads aren't even Mastina's reads right now and have nothing to do with the game.

If you were going to use the LLD tell, you should've used it 2500 posts ago instead of using Mastina to mis-eliminate townie after townie.

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Girl, i’ve fought Flavour Leaf in ElO where he was hard pushing me as scum and with all of the odds against me in TM and still won.
Your push here is nothing.

It's unfortunate you're scum here and have no idea how to defend yourself.

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I wasn't even going to push you until you starting taunting me like a total dick.

I honestly stopped caring about this game and had written it off and wanted to just go to bed.

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All of the mafioso are coming out of the woodwork to save RCE here and that is excellent.

who are you even talking about?

You're literally 1v1ing right now

It's like you think if you keep making shit up people won't read what we wrote and just decide to give up and vote with you.

its so frustrating

I'm going to stop posting because your plan is to literally drown the thread in garbage shit posts do demotivate an already demoralized town into giving you the vote you need to win.

I'm done here.

I tried my best if it doesn't work whatever I don't care.

If RCE gets yeeted I'm throwing my pain potion at Norwee.

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I am not surprised your reads continue to be flipped exactly upside down

[Aristeia]

The three of them are locktowning each other based on spacious reasoning. They don't interact organically.

[citation needed]

-Retti

For example,

NorwegianboyEE: The three of us aren't locktowning each other.
Also NorwegianboyEE: My PoE includes none of them. Titus is there though.

T3: We aren't hard defending each other.
Also T3: Puts me as lock scum for my reads.

Previously,

NorwegianboyEE: Dwlee, your read on Titus has no reason just tunneling.
Dwlee: So what?
NorwegianboyEE: That's ok you'll see Titus as town.

Later:

NoweiganboyEE: It's Titus and Fairy Circle.

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This is scum trying to chain us and/or vig me.

^

Titus solved this game on day 1.

You all decided to kill her then ignore her solve to continue to kill townies left and right despite Norwee/T3 basically openwolfing.

I am fine with losing at this point.

Mastina, instead of looking for evidence that confirms your worldview, you should look for things that disconfirm it.

That's one way to avoid being consistently wrong.

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dwlee i know for a fact that the titus solve is at least 2/3 correct - Norwew/T3 must be scum here.

whether she is right on #3 as well I don't really know and I haven't thought about because its irrelevant to the game

today is where we win or lose.

I don't really care what you think about her reasoning or whatever, I know from my own role PM that she is right on Norwee/T3.

right for the wrong reasons is still right.

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titus will be rolling in her grave if you let norwee get away with this level of openwolfing.

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because she is almost certainly town

[Aristeia]

I haven't really thought about your third teammate and it doesn't really matter to me.

If we eliminate you we will get a scum flip and have a chance.

If we eliminate rcenigma the game is over.

This is a nightless game where mafia do not have a factional NK so there isn't really even the need to get a perfect solve today - as long as we eliminate scum here we probably have a fair shot of winning.

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I'm fairly certain this is the game state:

Ari/RCE/Mastina: Town

Dwlee/Datisi: 1 scum, 1 town

Norwee/T3: Scum


Norwee and T3 shitpushed out Titus because she was onto them on D1 over Mastina's objections.

On D2 they let Mastina drive the town mis-elim.

On D3 they went after RCE while the other member felt around to see if Mastina-elim was possible.

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the only thing you know how to do is spam the thread full of nonsense in hopes that people are too lazy to read what you are posting.

If anyone were to take the time to actually read your ISO from d1 they would realize you are 100% scum.

Sadly this town is so demotivated and lost that they do not want to even do that.

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not even d1. if anyone even reads your ISO from just today they would realize you are completely making things up as you go along.

[Aristeia]

You've spent the entire day sticking your tongue out at my valid points and spamming the thread with nonsense that you change every day.

If anyone ever bothered to read your iso today they would realize is almost completely nonsense.

[Aristeia]

honestly I don't even care that not a single one of you seem to realize I'm just obviously town here.

go look at the posts of the people who

DIED

and are

CONFIRMED TOWN

Spoiler: The Limit:

I'm not crazy right? Like Norwee's vote there was 0% critical thinking 100% opportunism. He didn't ask why I would be saying that or what it means or anything, he just went "wrong/insulting = TIME TO VOTE"

-S

I mean, no. But if you're claiming that your town game includes 0 critical thinking then you'd have to be scum here because you sure have been appearing to do it.

Can you explain the vote?

-S

It wasn't that you were impulsive. It was that your impulse is exactly the thing that scum wants (kill us before we actually start to effort), and a vote as an impulsive reaction to an insult doesn't make sense because my claim had nothing to do with alignment.

-S

Yes. You sound scummy.

Okay, why

What is my scum motivation for posting literally anything I've posted today

-S

There is literally no way Norwee has done nothing this day.

I'm aware.

-S

I’m not just gonna change my vote though.
Slam dunk my ass. I wanna see what they have to say.

I mean there's actual proof that T3 doesn't believe that overt falsehoods are scummy. I don't know what else you would need or what kind of explanation would save it.

-S

I am very very confident that T3 is the best person to execute here. I suppose that is rare, so fair enough.

-S

Spoiler: Titus

I'm thinking Fairy/Titus/ta vera and maybe TLDOE or Dwlee.
Bingle/mastina are towny.
Emp, Norwee, GCB are town.

This screams rule of 3. Norway Dwlee T3 hero solve.

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

It’s not.
You’re characterizing my explanation for why it’s hard to verify the veracity of their claim as an FOS.
Which is yucky.

Are you not going to engage my hero solve? No reaction?

You are shading them. It's semantics to argue whether it's a FoS.

Which ones? When?

It feels like Norway froze at my hero solve and Dwlee panicked. He drops his whole not caring persona after my solve and has given vague crap.

I'm going to check S's comment. I'm actively seeking evidence I am wrong to prevent tunneling.

What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

Disagree. T3 has been hyper serious which is more equal to his scum game than his town game. Compare Situation Room versus Not Quite Normal Multiball.

Most of the conclusions are similar from slot to slot as the game is largely townreading the same block (GCB, Emperor, you, mastina) Midtier (TLDNE, Fairy) and then lurkers/PoE pool.

Each player might add or remove one name or add one name but this is largely consensus. Agreement is not a reason to TR a slot.

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

I don't really care about your solve. Sure Dwlee could be scum, whatever. But you are voting me.

Would your hero solve change if you knew i was town?

'
As in do you think all those slots are scummy or do you just see that all of them have the perfect associations and thus make perfect sense as the exact scum team?

The bolded is a duh question. If any one of you is town, then you're out of my solve and I'd have to recheck my work.

I think all three of you are scummy. Associations didn't really happen until how you reacted to my solve. Most people either a) shrug it off or b) explain their reads.

Instead, you froze. Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression). T3 immediately voted me and wanted to create the impression his vote was on me sooner. Together, this creates the impression of a panicked scumteam.

When The Limit pushes Norwee, T3 jumps in to defend Norwee.

When Limit pushes T3, Norwee jumps in to defend T3.

When Titus pushes them as a teamsolve - they yeet her out of the game on ridiculous nonsense logic.

This is two people open-powerwolfing the

entirety of the game

It could not possibly be more clear.

There is an entire graveyard of dead confirmed townies that have tried to stop them and been shouted down, ignored, and murdered.

[Aristeia]

honestly I don't even care that not a single one of you seem to realize I'm just obviously town here.

go look at the posts of the people who

DIED

and are

CONFIRMED TOWN

Spoiler: The Limit:

I'm not crazy right? Like Norwee's vote there was 0% critical thinking 100% opportunism. He didn't ask why I would be saying that or what it means or anything, he just went "wrong/insulting = TIME TO VOTE"

-S

I mean, no. But if you're claiming that your town game includes 0 critical thinking then you'd have to be scum here because you sure have been appearing to do it.

Can you explain the vote?

-S

It wasn't that you were impulsive. It was that your impulse is exactly the thing that scum wants (kill us before we actually start to effort), and a vote as an impulsive reaction to an insult doesn't make sense because my claim had nothing to do with alignment.

-S

Yes. You sound scummy.

Okay, why

What is my scum motivation for posting literally anything I've posted today

-S

There is literally no way Norwee has done nothing this day.

I'm aware.

-S

I’m not just gonna change my vote though.
Slam dunk my ass. I wanna see what they have to say.

I mean there's actual proof that T3 doesn't believe that overt falsehoods are scummy. I don't know what else you would need or what kind of explanation would save it.

-S

I am very very confident that T3 is the best person to execute here. I suppose that is rare, so fair enough.

-S

Spoiler: Titus

I'm thinking Fairy/Titus/ta vera and maybe TLDOE or Dwlee.
Bingle/mastina are towny.
Emp, Norwee, GCB are town.

This screams rule of 3. Norway Dwlee T3 hero solve.

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

It’s not.
You’re characterizing my explanation for why it’s hard to verify the veracity of their claim as an FOS.
Which is yucky.

Are you not going to engage my hero solve? No reaction?

You are shading them. It's semantics to argue whether it's a FoS.

Which ones? When?

It feels like Norway froze at my hero solve and Dwlee panicked. He drops his whole not caring persona after my solve and has given vague crap.

I'm going to check S's comment. I'm actively seeking evidence I am wrong to prevent tunneling.

What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

Disagree. T3 has been hyper serious which is more equal to his scum game than his town game. Compare Situation Room versus Not Quite Normal Multiball.

Most of the conclusions are similar from slot to slot as the game is largely townreading the same block (GCB, Emperor, you, mastina) Midtier (TLDNE, Fairy) and then lurkers/PoE pool.

Each player might add or remove one name or add one name but this is largely consensus. Agreement is not a reason to TR a slot.

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

I don't really care about your solve. Sure Dwlee could be scum, whatever. But you are voting me.

Would your hero solve change if you knew i was town?

'
As in do you think all those slots are scummy or do you just see that all of them have the perfect associations and thus make perfect sense as the exact scum team?

The bolded is a duh question. If any one of you is town, then you're out of my solve and I'd have to recheck my work.

I think all three of you are scummy. Associations didn't really happen until how you reacted to my solve. Most people either a) shrug it off or b) explain their reads.

Instead, you froze. Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression). T3 immediately voted me and wanted to create the impression his vote was on me sooner. Together, this creates the impression of a panicked scumteam.

When The Limit pushes Norwee, T3 jumps in to defend Norwee.

When Limit pushes T3, Norwee jumps in to defend T3.

When Titus pushes them as a teamsolve - they yeet her out of the game on ridiculous nonsense logic.

This is two people open-powerwolfing the

entirety of the game

It could not possibly be more clear.

There is an entire graveyard of dead confirmed townies that have tried to stop them and been shouted down, ignored, and murdered.

I am reposting this because Norwee-scum insists on drowning the thread with spamposting garbage over and over to try to drown people out.

[Aristeia]

If any town player actually opens your iso from today they will find that you are mostly posting nonsense spam and trying to drown the thread with faked confidence and lies in order to push the last mis-elim you need to win.

[Aristeia]

I have never wanted to debate you forever.

I wanted to stop talking to your DAYS ago when you responded to my points against you by spamming the thread full of empty one liners and random cartoons.

Whenever I make a post you make 6 random one line posts that say absolutely nothing in response to me, trying to drown the thread in garbage and bury my posts in the back so nobody can read them through your nonsense.

I get it you want to spam this thread so hard nobody will actually read the CONTENT of your posts because if they ever did they would realize you are just making up random stuff.

[Aristeia]

Ngl feeling real apathetic right now.

Yeah you screwed up real bad with that: "Dwlee/T3/Norwee are locktowning each other" line.
Let it stand for the record that scum!Titus was caught today. And that line sealed their fate.

You are locktowning each other. You reacted poorly to being caught. All three of you were the only votes on me at one point.

Let it be known that I was right before you we lose this imbalanced setup.

Seriously 8 to 3 with likely no investigatives.

[Aristeia]

On average scum will only have 1 Jailkeeper and 1 Doctor between them.

T3 is literally announcing what his team has.

[Aristeia]

100% loss rate? Well GG. Just end the game then Schadd. Clearly scum won. It’s pointless to move on.

I agree but the town should try. The odds are impossible though, particularly when no one SRs you.

[Aristeia]

100% loss rate? Well GG. Just end the game then Schadd. Clearly scum won. It’s pointless to move on.

I agree but the town should try. The odds are impossible though, particularly when no one SRs you.

Yes I completely agree. Norwee will deepwolf and we win!

Now you're just taunting me.

[Aristeia]

The three of them are locktowning each other based on spacious reasoning. They don't interact organically.

[citation needed]

-Retti

For example,

NorwegianboyEE: The three of us aren't locktowning each other.
Also NorwegianboyEE: My PoE includes none of them. Titus is there though.

T3: We aren't hard defending each other.
Also T3: Puts me as lock scum for my reads.

Previously,

NorwegianboyEE: Dwlee, your read on Titus has no reason just tunneling.
Dwlee: So what?
NorwegianboyEE: That's ok you'll see Titus as town.

Later:

NoweiganboyEE: It's Titus and Fairy Circle.

---

This is scum trying to chain us and/or vig me.

[Aristeia]

I'm not crazy right? Like Norwee's vote there was 0% critical thinking 100% opportunism. He didn't ask why I would be saying that or what it means or anything, he just went "wrong/insulting = TIME TO VOTE"

-S

[Aristeia]

There is literally no way Norwee has done nothing this day.

I'm aware.

-S

[Aristeia]

Well i dunno. You just sound like you’re trying to say a lot of meaningless things and bring out lots of shade and it’s like ok… what are you even doing? What’s your point?

My point is to raise awareness of the fact that this game is going terribly and try to figure out what to do about it.

-S

[Aristeia]

Not to mention your arguments just SOUND scummy. Like they’re straight from the scum textbook.

Lol you don't get to play the "have you played with me before" card and then say this. I don't play scum at all like a regular person, and you should know that? Wasn't I scum against you in IV's game?

-S

[Aristeia]

Okay well regardless Norwee. Irrespective of what you think scum me would do here, what do you think TOWN me would do here? You don't think I would feel that scum control the game when nobody has been able to get wagons anywhere and nobody can agree and we are the top wagon?

-S

[Aristeia]

I just didn’t like your general tone cus it felt fake ish.

What exactly felt fake?

I think I'm pretty much impossible to read on tone at this point.

-S

[Aristeia]

If someone lol hammers us then please send every pain potion on the planet toward them. Then execute T3.

-S

[Aristeia]

I’m not just gonna change my vote though.
Slam dunk my ass. I wanna see what they have to say.

I mean there's actual proof that T3 doesn't believe that overt falsehoods are scummy. I don't know what else you would need or what kind of explanation would save it.

-S

[Aristeia]

I am very very confident that T3 is the best person to execute here. I suppose that is rare, so fair enough.

-S

[Aristeia]

If you don't want to listen to me

Listen to the dead.

If you are tired of reading the back and forth.

Open up just Norwee's ISO or T3's ISO from just today and look at how their stances change with the wind.

This game frankly is exhausting.

If I didn't owe it to Titus/SS/Lilith to avenge them after Norwee/T3 open shit pushed them out, I would have given up a long time ago.

[Aristeia]

Like seriously, just think for a second at who makes the worlds most god awful scummy posts and speaks like an automaton while repeating the stock programmed phrazes: "N-Norwee iS, Spamming the- spamming the game. People who SpAm are……...scum!"
THAT’S the scum.

Look at D1 and what Norwee said about Titus.

Look at D2 and what Norwee said about SS.


Everyone he's shitpushed out of the game has been "awful" and "scummy"

but

they never seem to flip red.

If you decide to follow him yet again that is just game throwing on a level that I have honestly rarely seen and I would be absolutely speechless how any town player could possibly support this.

How deeply tunneled and oblivious do you have to be for an openwolf to do

the same thing

day 1, day 2

AND

day 3 and you still don't notice he is openwolf shitpushing ?

Absolutely speechless.

[Aristeia]

He claims that I'm "cherrypicking" what Titus says.

Go read Titus ISO for yourself.

Does she ever retract her scumread on Norwee/T3/Dwlee as her solve?

No she stands behind her solve to the very end.

He claims that I'm cherrypicking things out of context from SS/Lilith.

Who went down dying and cursing that this town didn't deserve to win because Norwee/T3 were so openwolfy.

They died with their vote on T3.

They said the town would lose because noone scumreads NorwegianBoy.

He claims that by now they would've "changed their minds" or "updated their reads"

Which makes no sense because what's changed?

What new information do they have that would change their minds!?!?!?!

Do you think Lilith/SS didn't know that they would flip as GREEN?

Do you think Titus is surprised that Lilith/SS/Bingle/FC all flipped GREEN?

Not a single one of them is in her solve which has 3 scumreads so why in the world would she be changing her reads when not a single flip has happened that contradicts her?

She said on DAY ONE that Norwee/T3 were locktowning each other to openshitpush her out of the game.

Here they are locktowning each other to open shitpush RCE out of the game.

What's changed that would make Titus re-evaluate her read?!?!?

It's just a load of garbage and if we could commune with the dead thread they would be screaming at us to vote Norwegianboy/T3 out of this game.

[Aristeia]

I like how you can't respond to anything I've said and all you can do is spam random one line posts that add literally nothing to the game in order to bury my posting and hope nobody town reads what I have to say.

[Aristeia]

I'm going to bed.

If town is too lazy to play this game please just vote me out so I can yell at you post game with Titus/SS/Lilith about how ridiculous town play has been this entire game.

It's disappointing and I regret ever replacing into this game.

[Aristeia]

Norwee is literally openwolfing three days in a row with the same shtick.


"_____ is SCUM!!!!"

repeated over and over again.

Titus flipped Green
SS Flipped Green
if you vote with him and flip me, I will flip green too.

Figure it out

[Aristeia]

Because it’s just quoting Titus? I have nothing to say to you bringing up the same tired points.

the only point you have is "____ is scum because I said so"

its amazing this town actually let you get away with doing it two days in a row, if they actually let you do it three days in a row then just clap clap clap amazing

[Aristeia]

"Titus said"
"Limit said"
LAMIST

That’s all you did essentially.

They're confirmed town that you shitpushed out of this game because they knew you were scum

[Aristeia]

I can read my own role pm

[Aristeia]

This town can't read my role pm so they can't follow along.

I can only point at all the dead townies that have been saying Norwee scum and are now dead because you shitpushed them out of the game and hope they actually figure out 2+2 really does equal 4

[Aristeia]

Because dead town are never wrong amirite.

strawmanning

[Aristeia]

I can read my own role pm

Yeah, great argument there.

You asked me how I knew Titus/SS/Lilith were not wrong about you.

I answered you because its literally ELO and you're voting me and I'm town.

That's not an argument

That is a statement of fact

[Aristeia]

Because dead town are never wrong amirite.

strawmanning

No.

I never said dead people can't be wrong

[Aristeia]

I answered you because its literally ELO and you're voting me and I'm town.

This convinces nobody.
It’s not even an argument worth saying.

nice selective quoting out of context

can you be any more scummy?

[Aristeia]

You’re just trying to LAMIST very hard.

You're literally just making up one lie after another so that this thread is unreadable

[Aristeia]

That was not selective quoting.

another lie

[Aristeia]

You’re just trying to LAMIST very hard.

You're literally just making up one lie after another so that this thread is unreadable

Then stop responding.

You want me to stop talking so you will stop lying?

Wow.

That's amazing

[Aristeia]

You claim you still have a pain potion.
So what was your slot doing N1?
What were you doing N2?
Why do you still have a pain potion on D3?

I have 1 pain potion and no other potions.

My slot did nothing on Night 1. I don't know why Emperor did nothing on Night 1 because he didn't leave me a message explaining his actions.

I didn't use my 1 pain potion on Night 2 because I literally just replaced in and I didn't know what to do with it.

[Aristeia]

Now granted, you only have three games under your belt including this one on this account, but me not knowing who you're an alt of means I've only got those three games to go off of--and the stark contrast between you in this game and you in both of the games I've seen you in before is...well, rather stark.

How is it that the player who twice as town hasn't taken the game too seriously, is in this game taking the game dead seriously?

I know you were town in both of those games, but what in this game would make you take it dead seriously as town? Especially when you post things like,

I don't know if you've noticed.

But people tend to play games differently depending on how much fun they are having and whether they are winning.

In Garfield and in The Other Game,

Town was never in serious trouble or in danger of losing.

I got aggressive at times when challenged in both games but I was overall happy because we were WAY ahead and likely to win in both of the games, we were never anywhere CLOSE to Elo.

We nailed scum early(D1, D2) respectively and had associations to go off of, things to solve for.

I am more fun and happy when I'm winning.

I am LOSING in this game.

I have very very LITTLE HOPE OF winning.

I tend to get upset when I see a town not listening to me and the game looks like a certain loss.

[Aristeia]

I replaced into this game. Was having fun posting gifs etc

then I woke up today and found myself in elo without a single scum flip

so yea I am not happy

BECAUSE I AM TOWN

[Aristeia]

You've, repeatedly, said you don't care.
And yet your dead serious posting and extreme effort say otherwise.

Every time you say one thing, but do another. You say you don't care, that you're done, but then you put in more effort, which shows that you do.

Why the seriousness?

Why the sudden devotion to giving this game 100%?

because I have bad self control and NorwegianBoy keeps taunting me by spamming the thread full of nonsense.

because every time I re-read the ISOs of our dead townie friends I get more upset that they went through LITERALLY THE SAME THING IM GOING THROUGH NOW AND NOBODY LISTENED TO THEM

I should've stopped caring a while ago and just accepted the loss by now but I must be a glutton for suffering because im still here repeating the same thing to you and the rest of the town that they didnt listen to.

Titus thought Norwee+T3+Dwlee were scum together

They all voted her out. You said Titus was town, they ignored your townread and voted her out. - Why does Norwee do that when he seems to REALLY BELIEVE IN YOUR TOWNREAD TODAY???

Limit was convinced Norwee was a baddie and that his vote was oppurtunistic and that the game was lost because nobody suspected Norwee. T3 was Limit's top choice for being voted out.

Norwee/T3 voted Limit out. Dwlee hammered it.


I don't care about "associatives"

Words MEAN NOTHING in mafia - it's all theatre and nonsense - look at VOTES and who voted to kill who.

The people who suspected Norwee/T3 happen to get voted out - by Norwee/T3/Dwlee.

Read what Norwee said about these people as he shitpushed them out.

They are the exact same things he's saying about me.

no logic.

Just "____ is scum because I said so"

[Aristeia]

I realize it's not impossible for a scumteam of Norwee and T3 to, collectively, have concocted a grand scheme:
Deliberately try to completely and totally snow me with planning as to specifically how to fool me, while planning how to make fluid interactions, planning on defending each other and giving one another the exact resources necessary in order to coordinate a natural-looking progression where they end up townreading each other. That's something which COULD happen, but if it happened, they basically pulled it off flawlessly and effortlessly and it was a complete success, worthy of a hats-off nod, tip of respect, for their planning to have pulled off that elaborate juke, that elaborate deception, to misdirect everyone except for Titus and get Titus out D1.

But while it's possible.

It doesn't look probable.

Mastina just read what Norwe/T3 did to Titus and SS on D1/D2.

They literally killed the people who were scumreading them.

They have the motive

They have the ability.

Why

WOULDN'T

they do it?

It's not like they are getting CAUGHT for it since apparently you still believe them and that's ALL they need to win.

Because you're town and as long as ONE TOWN player refuses to believe Norwee/T3 are scum here, they win the game.

That's it

that's the entire game right there.

[Aristeia]

Btw another thing I just did.
I just did a scan of Norwee's first three pages of iso searching for T3.

Though Norwee never voted T3 and the only push against T3 could in fact fit as scum distancing, the Norwee interactions with T3 look incredibly not-scum-scum. They look incredibly fluid, natural, and not scumbuddyish. While Norwee's interactions with T3 could come from scum interacting with a town player (as in, Norwee is scum, T3 isn't), that runs into the issue of who Norwee would be scum with as he cannot be scum with Datisi and is almost definitely not scum with RCE.

It's obviously possible that the interactions which don't look scum-scum are in fact, in spite of their appearance of not being scum-scum, actually scum-scum. But this is not how I would expect Norwee to interact with a scumbuddy. Norwee being House's scumbuddy was immediately obvious to me in Open Draft Mafia when I was doing team-crafting work. I could tell it from what he was posting that he was scum with House once House was known to be scum.

Yet here his interactions with T3 look nothing like his interactions with House in that game. Now, admittedly, Norwee's interactions with T3 this game are closer to Norwee's interactions with his other scumbuddy Dwlee in that game, but while the Norwee-Dwlee from that game is closer to the Norwee-T3 of this game the interactions still don't fully match and are still something that looks different.

People don't have to play each game the same way.

T3/Norwe never really voted or pushed for each other from a skim of their ISO.

They have been defending each other by voting out people who suspected/wanted them dead.

Like Titus on D1.

and SS on D2.

T3 has been vocal about his townread of Norw, Norw has been "poeing T3" but never led a vote or push there.

Everything he does with respect to T3 is performative and not real.

Even today I remember he flipped on T3 back and forth in a very fake manner.

[Aristeia]

This is what happens when the meta!bad players are allowed to live until ElO.
Tragic.

you've done a pretty good job of killing people who said you are scum on d1/d2.

I'm the last one left and if you kill me today then you're going to win 3/3 and this town is literally the worst I've ever played with

[Aristeia]

I realize that if Norwee and T3 are scum we live in a world where they happened to enact the perfect plan they needed in order to get a chance at winning, somehow having either concocted it perfectly or having lucked out in it being the perfect plan or a bit of both. But they did need to have basically absolute luck, absolute perfect planning, and/or some combination of luck/planning in order to have left so little evidence behind.

In my games there is re-assessment on D3 if the town hasn't hit scum yet.

People look at who has been in control of the game and look at who they have killed.

It just happens that in this setup we are literally at Elo on D3.

That usually doesn't happen, usually D3 is 1 day before Elo.

This is the perfect game for power-wolfing openly because as long as you keep one townie pocketed you can win the game at early Elo.

Think about it Mastina, you said it yourself.

You are basically impossible to push for scum and you can 1v1 anyone at Elo.

So why did the scum not shoot you with a poison potion?

Why did they keep you alive the entire time?

Because you've been in Norwe's pocket the ENTIRE GAME and his entire plan is to keep you there and if you don't change your mind HE WINS

[Aristeia]

PAIN
if limit is town

Make that four slots at minimum. (Might be more than 4, obviously, if I missed some slots' plans but suffice to say: there were in fact people saying how to use potions for N2.)

Pain who?

There's no coordination at all.

If I had pained RCE we would have ALREADY LOST THE FREAKING GAME TODAY

[Aristeia]

I am replacing in cold to a slot and all I know is we haven't hit a single scum and I have exactly one potion to use.

Why would I use it on N2 blind when I don't have a good grasp on the game?

[Aristeia]

I legitimately think that the claim of no pain potion N2 and having a pain potion to use now is genuinely a scumclaim.

this just makes me pull my hair out.

You dont think pain potions are MORE VALUABLE now that we have CLEARLY DRAWN SIDES post ELO standoff?

You think it was better for me to throw a poison out yesterday?

Like WHY?

Now I know Norwe is scum 100% and I can poison him.

If he gets the yeet through on RCE I can throw a posion on norwee in the night and if any other townie had saved a poison they could also throw a poison on norwe and we could easily mount a comeback at 5 alive.

That's probly the reason Norwe changed vote from RCE to me actually.

He knows we're functionally the same to him but I have a pain potion whereas RCE has said he has no potions left. He'd rather vote out the townie screaming she's going to pain pot him rather than the townie who is unarmed.

[Aristeia]

Yeah the problem with this is that town can be suspicious of town and when a town player sees a competent player suspicious of them they have this bad habit of doing a thing we call OMGUSing by doing a burden of proficiency on the town player wrongly scumreading them and thinking that the player scumreading them (in spite of being town) must be scum.

Everything you say is based in your assumption that norwee is town.


Why can't you accept the fact that you might just be wrong here and Titus/SS might just be right?


Who is more

likely

to omgus back and kill people?

Who is more

MOTIVATED

to omgus back and kill the people who are suspecting them?

A townie or a scum?

Townies don't gain anything by omgusing their fellow townies.

Do you see anything in Norwe's iso that suggests he was trying to sort Titus/SS in good faith?

To figure out if they suspected him because they were town?

His push on them was extremely bad faith and he basically just shouted them down with "____ is scum because I said so"

You have to look at the results Mastina.

It's not about who you want to be town.

It's about who's actually bad.

[Aristeia]

Whereas the comparatively simple answer is:
Two players look town this game because they are town.

or you are just wrong?

You know you can be wrong right?

Like I know you are a very strong willed person who is convinced she is right and I love you for being so confident but like sometimes you're just wrong?

Just give Titus a chance

Give SS and Lilith a chance.

They deserve that at least no?

They've poured so much into this game screaming that Norwee/T3 are scumbags.

Do they get any say in this game's outcome at all?

Yes bingle/FC were wrong about each other.

but that doesn't mean every dead townie was wrong about every read in the game

[Aristeia]

Say Titus was right about T3/Norwee/Dwlee being the scumteam.
Okay, she was right--so what?
Nobody was listening to her. Nobody was buying what she was selling. Not. a. single. player. was sheeping her. Not a single player believed her. Nobody. Not a single person. was interested in following her. Nobody was swayed by her logic. Nobody was convinced she was even close to right.

Why would the scumteam pile on en masse onto Titus when she was not garnering support? An elimination can often serve as a good way to martyr a slot and make people sheep their reads.

Because if she was alive today she'd be voting for them.

Because when you're scum and someone is right about their solve, the best way to shut them up is to vote them off the island so they can't talk anymore.

Because this town has literally ignored Titus's solve even after she was shown to be green.

Why let her become influential when you can just make her dead?

Why not eliminate someone who is voting against you?

[Aristeia]

Dwlee was never at risk. They never got more than two votes.
T3 was never at risk. He never got more than two votes.
Norwee was never at risk. He never had a lasting wagon.

They're not at risk because they've killed the people who were suspecting them by voting them off.

If titus/SS were alive today they'd be voting with me and norwe scum would be dead

[Aristeia]

Titus did not have any support for her solve.

Why would the scum derail the momentum behind wagons driven by town on town (Fairy Circle was town; Bingle was town), only to forcefully drive through a wagon driven by scum on town?

They actually lack an incentive for it.

Because forcing a wagon with all three scum on it to go through does the opposite of helping them; it actively hurts them.

If you can't see the incentive for the scum to kill the people who are suspecting them and leaving townies alive who suspect other townies then you frankly don't know how to play mafia as scum.

That's literally Mafia 101.

Leave the townies who suspect other townies alive so they KEEP fighting with other townies and you don't have to do much

KILL the townies who suspect YOU or your team so they are dead and don't push/vote you later.

[Aristeia]

Because when you're scum and someone is right about their solve, the best way to shut them up is to vote them off the island so they can't talk anymore.

You know, even if someone knows a town is tunneling them, they might just vote them out because their reads actually hurt the game and it’s on some level almost a good thing to vote them out.
Titus was that sort of person, and no. We should never sheep them.

the goal of the town is to vote out scum.

the goal of the scum is to vote out townies who suspect them

it's not rocket science

[Aristeia]

Mastina the motive for why Norw/T3 yeeted Titus/SS on D1/D2 is staring you in the face

[Aristeia]

I want to be able to tell Titus/SS/Lilith I tried my best when I apologize to them for losing

[Aristeia]

I wish I had a way to explain things to you that could show you how I see the world Mastina

I really do.

But it's really hard for me because it just looks so obvious to me and I can't seem to reach you.

The world NorwegianBoy is selling you is that I'm scum with RCE/Datisi and both of my scum partners have decided to ghost the game and stop playing while I am the lone scum still talking.

Do you really think a scum team at Elo that has skated through and is on the verge of winning would look like that?

Two players who've given up on the game and a third player who's clearly not having any fun?

The world I am telling you about has Norw/T3 who have openwolf shitpushed to death 2 straight townies who have suspected them and are happily cruising to a win by going for the third shitpush in a row.

They are literally gloating in the thread and telling me to give up and trying to demoralize me.

They know how desperate I am and how I feel hopeless because I'm the only person on town side who knows the truth and is still playing

RCE gave up a long time ago.

They are on the verge of winning.



Which story feels more real to you mastina?

[Aristeia]

I don't want to be this serious

I wanted to be happy and bubbly and post gifs and have fun.

but this is the end of the road and we're so close to losing.

What am I supposed to do Mastina?

Am I supposed to just give up and not care and let down Titus/SS/Lilith and just let Norwe/T3 waltz into the easiest win of their lives?

I don't know what more I can do for you.

[Aristeia]

It requires Norwee to have either nigh-omniscient knowledge with a perfect prediction of the future or god-tiered luck in having lucked out or some combination of the two where he made a plan and hoped for it to work and it did.

no it doesn't

all it requires is for him to have pocketed you - which he did by insisting over and over again that you were locktown town.

He knew that was enough to pocket you solidly and it worked.

[Aristeia]

A Norwee-T3-Dwlee scumteam leaving me untouched is taking the ultimate gamble. It is gambling on me not tunneling on any of them. Which they had no way of knowing and every reason to suspect I would.

they would be gambling on two things actually.

Either

(1) a townie would vote you, then they could win by quickelimming you

or

(2) you would be incorrect in Elo and they could pocket you and steer you into town.

[Aristeia]

I genuinely don't think Norwee acts that way as scum.

I have no doubt that your belief is genuine.

but it's not going to mean much post-game when norwe is taking his victory lap.

I'm only asking you recognize that other people have their opinions too and they also deserve a chance.

Titus was sure it was Norw/t3/dwlee

Doesn't she deserve a chance to win too?

SS/Lilith were sure it was Norw/T3 on D2.

Don't they deserve a seat at the table as well?



I know you need to be true to yourself and vote according to your beliefs but there are also other people playing this game as well.

[Aristeia]

But basically all the evidence says otherwise.

No

All the evidence says that Norw/T3 are scum together.

They've pushed and killed two townies who suspected them.

They are pushing for a third to win now

the evidence is in the votes and the flips.

Not in empty words and theatre.

[Aristeia]

I haven't slept much because of this game and I need to get some things done today.

Thanks for listening Mastina.

If you have any further questions for me please just write them down in one post and I'll answer them when I have some time tonight.

[Aristeia]

Dwlee was never at risk. They never got more than two votes. T3 was never at risk. He never got more than two votes. Norwee was never at risk. He never had a lasting wagon.

They're not at risk because they've killed the people who were suspecting them by voting them off.

Pretty sure this is a fallacy. I don't remember which, might be some form of circular logic? But I'm pretty sure this doesn't work as an argument because it doesn't explain the actions that have happened, building a narrative that builds off itself without intersection with the actual facts of the game.

If you can't see the incentive for the scum to kill the people who are suspecting them and leaving townies alive who suspect other townies then you frankly don't know how to play mafia as scum.

Oh I can see the incentive for scum to

kill

people who suspect them.

But Titus wasn't KILLED.

She was

eliminated

.

The incentive/logical train for scum to HOPE for a plurality elimination on Titus that they ALL dogpiled onto?

Now THAT is something I can't really see the incentive behind scum doing.

How is this circular logic?

Titus suspected them

They voted Titus

Titus is dead.

Now they don't have to worry about Titus voting for them anymore because

Titus is dead

You say you can't see the scum motivation for getting rid of people who suspect you.

I don't know how to explain it any simpler for you.

If I am scum, I always try to get rid of people who suspect me, because then they won't be voting for me at the end.

[Aristeia]

This is a psuedo-nightless game.

There is very little difference between voting someone out and nightkilling them.

In fact it would probably look way worse if they nightkilled her with their pain potions because if someone uses harmography on her, they are basically caught scum.

They did it in broad daylight, they killed Titus, she died screaming that they were scum.

And this town is still like "looks fine"

They are getting away with murder in broad daylight

[Aristeia]

the goal of the scum is to vote out townies who suspect them

Is it?

The goal of scum is to not get voted out and to vote out town, sure.

But most scum I know don't dogpile onto one town player in order to remove a town player suspicious of them.

Scum usually avoid voting together and scum and scum usually aren't going to take a 1v1 that they have a 50% chance of losing, especially if even if they win they then lose the next day.

I realize it's not

impossible

--Norwee DID try to 1v1 me in Open Draft Mafia when he was scum there. (Tho critically, that did not work for him.) But for your theory to be true for this game, it'd have to have not JUST been Norwee opting into this strategy; it'd have to be the entire scumteam doing so. And each member you add to being onboard with that strategy increases the unlikelihood of it being something that'd happen.

That, aside from how when I've been catching whiffs of that area of the game it doesn't even look like a coordinated assault.

Admittedly, I've not had the chance to read all the pages in context. But I DO have to call it as I see it. And as I see it, the narrative you're weaving is a narrative. It requires the scumteam to make very very specific actions that while they are

possible

from the scum players in question, require a very very very specific chain of

possible

action after

possible

action after POSSIBLE action, ignoring the probable actions, the simpler actions, the actions that fit better, etc.

Your narrative is never impossible. I will give you that. Nothing in it cannot be true. But everything you're trying to sell requires one specific unlikely improbable chain of events one after another to have happened where we live in what amounts to a one in a thousand universe where every stretch of an action happened to have been the one taken.

It requires the scum team to want to get rid of the person scumreading them.

It requires the scum team to decide they can take the risk because they can get away with it.

They are getting away with it right now since you're about to vote me out and hand them the game win on a platter.

Why would scum!them decide not to take the easy win?

[Aristeia]

The world NorwegianBoy is selling you is that I'm scum with RCE/Datisi and both of my scum partners have decided to ghost the game and stop playing while I am the lone scum still talking.

Do you really think a scum team at Elo that has skated through and is on the verge of winning would look like that?

Yes?

Why wouldn't they? If they weren't high-effort pre-lylo, why would most of them be efforting IN lylo?

It doesn't require rocket science for the game to have low-effort scum that mostly did nothing until lylo and mostly continue to do nothing in lylo. That's not some occam's razor violation requiring a complex gamestate. That's literally 70-90% of games onsite right now in the meta. Most scum players just don't give a shit. They get away with not giving a shit in the earlygame because often the town self-destructs to some extent and vote out town and suspect other town. But they continue to not give a shit after the town begins to get their shit together.

That's not some stretch of me to think it the case this game. That's not something which would be highly unique to this game. That's literally the state of mafiascum players who're mafia. They do almost nothing, towns suspect town early on, and then either the town self-destructs and hand the scum a win, or the town gets their shit together and eliminate the scum. This game being that? Not some anomaly. Not a statistical weirdness. Not some form of weird thing that is a freak occurrence. It'd literally be just another mafiascum game with that trend.

You know what WOULD be an anomaly?

If all three of the slots with the highest activity in the game, if the three slots with the highest post count, ALL were scum.

When was the last time you saw a game where literally the top three posters were ALL scum?

When was the last time you saw a game where the three slots that have contributed the most to the game, have efforted the hardest, have been the most active, most involved, were ALL scum?

It's happened before in mafiascum's history I'm sure--but it is very very very very very rare.

And you're asking me to believe in what amounts to a statistical anomaly. In what amounts to a freak occurrence. In a scumteam randomly for no real reason who could get by on coasting to an easy victory as town destroyed itself, deciding to actively force the town loss quickly.

So to answer which story feels more real?

The one backed by the evidence I see and which fits with the site meta.
Rather than the one which requires possibility after possibility after possibility which isn't in the site meta at all.

If you want to just assume the scum team is "low effort" and the town team is "high effort" why do you even sign up for games?

why even read anything?

just open up the post counter and vote whoever has the least posts.

Meta is imperfect.

I'm sure you could win lots of games by blindly following meta.

How's that been working out for you this game?

Do you see a single flipped bad guy in the graveyard?

[Aristeia]

You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?

Look at what NorwegianBoy says about you ^

He tells me that because you are reading him as town with 95% certainty, then I should respect your town-read of him because you're supposedly infallible?

Does that make sense to you Mastina?

[Aristeia]

How do you think I'm scum with Norwee/t3 when this entire day phase is them trying to convince me they're town

Words mean nothing to me. Managing dis-associatives is mafia 101 and it would be frankly insulting to any player to say that "____ can't be scum because they said ___ to ___"

Only Votes that actually end up killing people actually mean something in this game to me.

Or vigging a scumbag at night with a pain potion.

Everything else can just be theatre.

Also it's completely irrelevant to me to figure out who the third scum on the norwe/t3 team is because if I can't get norwe flipped the game is over so there's no point for me to put any energy into it.

[Aristeia]

all it requires is for him to have pocketed you - which he did by insisting over and over again that you were locktown town.

You keep saying this, and yet this takes facts from D3 that Norwee would have no way of knowing prior to D3.

That aside from the fact that Norwee locktowning me has absolutely 0% to do with my read on his slot.

I can tell you right now any argument that relies on "Norwee pocketed you by locktowning you" is instantly not going to be convincing to me because I give zero fucks about Norwee townreading me. The fact that RCE townreads me but ISN'T someone that has pocketed me should be proof enough of that. Norwee is someone who looks unlikely to be scum for a plethora of things--all of which came prior to D3 and were entirely unrelated to me.

Nothing Norwee has done or said in relationship to me, in regards to me, has effected my read on him at all--if you think it has, sorry to say, you're wrong and any argument you attempt to make to that effect WILL fall on deaf ears as I know it to not be true.

It's entirely Norwee's content

unrelated

to me that I see as unlikely to be scum. And that content was not aimed at me at all.

You are literally pocketed right now.

That's not something that's insane

That's just a fact.

I am showing you a video of NorwegianBoy murdering the people who suspected him by voting them off the Island and them swearing that this town will lose because NorwegianBoy is scum and you are staring at me with a straight face and saying that you

can't

see the scum motivation for Norwe to vote them off.

You could not possibly be more pocketed.

[Aristeia]

Use logic that is based in facts and probabilities rather than a narrative that relies on possibility after possibility and address the questions/points I'm raising, is all I can really offer.

FACT: Titus suspected Norwee/T3/Dwlee.
FACT: Titus was voted out by Norwee/T3/Dwlee.
FACT: Titus was town.

FACT: Limit suspected Norwee/T3/Datisi
FACT: Limit was voted out by Norwee/T3/Datisi
FACT: Limit was town.

LOGIC: When you kill people who suspect you by voting them out, there are

fewer

people who suspect you later, this allows you to win the game.
FACT: Scum like to win.
FACT: Only me/RCE are voting for Norwee, everyone else is against it currently BECAUSE the people who would've been on our side were all killed via vote.
LOGIC: Scum have a motivation to vote out people who suspect them because it makes endgame much much easier for them.

[Aristeia]

Mastina,

There are many ways to play scum.

Your preferred method of playing scum is to not rock the boat, try to hide, be passive, set up your teammates by putting your scum partners in your lower reads etc.

You believe this will help them look

better

when you flip scum and you end up flipping scum very early.

It's actually very predictable and one reason you were caught very early in:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86449

and

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85923

Your scumteam in both games ended up collapsing and getting run over because they never had thread control and the more dominant townside simply overran them by stringing elim after elim through.

Scum were caught early, caught often, and went down very quickly.

That is what a highly active town team in control of the thread looks like.

Look at this game's graveyard.

Do you see a single flipped scum?

That is a giant flashing neon sign that the people in control of the thread are NOT the town.

The

best

way to play scum is to be bold, to be brazen, to take control of the thread and kill town over and over until they don't have any room to breathe

The scum team is on the verge of winning this game.

Me/RCE have no thread control whatsoever.

5/7 players are not on our side.

You can continue to believe in your meta about a weak and lame scum team but look at the actual facts. Look at the flips.

If you don't change course now, town loses this game.

[Aristeia]

I said I am unsure about #3.

It is not relevant to the events of today.

If you eliminate me the game is over.

If I eliminate you, T3 dies the next day and we have plenty of time to find #3.

Unlike you I don't lie about having a complete solution when I do not have one.

[Aristeia]

You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?

If you believe in Mastina's townread so much, how come you didn't listen to her about Titus?

[Aristeia]

How can you claim to have Mastina locked as 100% town yet ignore her townread on Titus and hard shove her to death on D1?

[Aristeia]

You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?

^

Then why do you say to me that I should be a parrot of Mastina?

[Aristeia]

Why is it ok for you to ignore Mastina's opinion and hardshove Titus to death over her objections but I should listen to her?

[Aristeia]

I don't know, it literally doesn't make any sense to me.

You're the one who said this:

You’re also not acknowledging that Mastina townreads me with 95% certainty here.
Are you not going to respect the fact that you claim to believe they are town, yet is misreading me so badly?

Why would I listen to Mastina if I'm scum to you?

Why would you believe Mastina is 100% accurate and must be believed when it comes to me pushing you but when she tells you not to push Titus, you just conveniently ignore her and kill Titus?

[Aristeia]

You can at least be classy instead of a jerk

You're probably going to win anyway.

[Aristeia]

This doesn't actually hold true.

When you kill people who suspect you by voting them out, their suspicions are immortalized. They don't have any chance to change their suspicion.

Does this even matter?

Titus is dead

Her suspicions are immortalized

Do you see anyone listening to her?

Is NorwegianBoyScum more scared of Titus alive and voting him right now or titus being dead and not having a vote?

[Aristeia]

And then, even if they DID all believe it to be true, you run into an additional problem:
How could Norwee, as scum, manage to pull this off when he has previously been unable to over a long span of time?
How could Dwlee, as scum, continuously manage to pull this off?
How could T3, as scum, continuously manage to pull this off?

look at this page:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2975


25 posts on a page

19 of them are norwegianboy's

all of them are one liners with no content.

He is 6x posting one liners that have 0 content over and over again.

This is just spam flooding a thread to maintain thread control by shouting people down.

Do you really want to lose the game to an openwolf thread spammer because you have some ironclad belief that NorwegianBoy as scum can't possibly

post a lot?

That's just an inexcusably bad way to lose this game.

Meta is not the end-all be-all of Mafia, it's at best a crutch at times for you to make an educated guess in the

EARLY

game.

In Endgame when you have actual voting records and dead flips to work off, you look at who actually

did what

You don't continue to believe "oh these people posted a lot therefore they are town!"

that's just the laziest possible way to lose and really not something you can say with a straight face to all the people who were right about Norwe/T3 like SS/Titus/Lilith.

[Aristeia]

Just because you know the theoretical advantages of efforting does not mean you can necessarily do so, especially over a long duration of time.

The scumteam you propose requires ALL of that. For ALL of Norwee/T3/Dwlee to believe efforting is the most important thing to do AND for them to then be able to pull it off.

The results speak for themselves. Their effort got them to this part where they have not only openwolfshitpushed out their enemies who suspected them, but have them on the verge of winning outright without a single scum death.

Flip the equation around another way:

Norwe/T3/Dwlee have been "too high effort" for you to consider as scum?

Then why are all three of them still alive?

What is the scum team doing if all three of them are town as you believe they are?

Do you think I'm some fucking idiot who just decided. Hmm I'm going to leave these three high effort townies who run the game alive and then they can come murder me today. I'm not going to nightkill them at all!

Where did all the scum pain potions go? Down a toilet?

Can you find a single mafia game where the loudest townies with thread control lived through multiple day phases without a single scum flip? Does that even make sense?


Here's an example of the scenario that I am proposing:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85629

Every scum player survived to Endgame Lylo.

The town got completely swept because the thread was always in scum control.

They power-wolfed it all the way down and town just got completely caught flat footed and annihilated.

When the game is going very very badly, look at who actually is in control of the game state because they are the ones leading it down that path

Do you have a scenario where scum are completely apathetic and the town leaders are super vocal and somehow they all live to Lylo?

[Aristeia]

Ari I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be the last decider unless Datisi ends it early cause mastina seems like she has her mind made up

If Mastina votes for RCE the game is over because I'm 100% sure she's town and they only need one town vote to win the game so I really don't care about convincing anyone else.

[Aristeia]

I asked how Norwee could have predicted I would townread all three of Norwee/T3/Dwlee going into lylo.
You responded that I am pocketed.
That takes current gamestate into past actions and doesn't serve to address the question.
It may be fact that if Norwee is scum I am pocketed here, sure!

He doesn't need you to be pocketed Mastina.

If his teammate convinces someone to vote for you, they still win because they can pile on.

There are many ways for the scum team to win at Elo.

Your view is very narrowly based.

I know for a fact that he has pocketed you because you are townreading him at 95% and it's literally impossible for the town to vote him out without your vote.

So he's basically gained immunity just by convincing YOU that he must be town.

Why WOULDN'T he do that if he were scum?

[Aristeia]

I asked how Norwee could have predicted I would townread all three of Norwee/T3/Dwlee going into lylo.
You responded that I am pocketed.
That takes current gamestate into past actions and doesn't serve to address the question.
It may be fact that if Norwee is scum I am pocketed here, sure!

He doesn't need you to be pocketed Mastina.

If his teammate convinces someone to vote for you, they still win because they can pile on.

There are many ways for the scum team to win at Elo.

Your view is very narrowly based.

I know for a fact that he has pocketed you because you are townreading him at 95% and it's literally impossible for the town to vote him out without your vote.

So he's basically gained immunity just by convincing YOU that he must be town.

Why WOULDN'T he do that if he were scum?

[Aristeia]

I respect your effort Aristeia, but it’s completely wasted when RCE is so clearly scum that is giving up.

If I were scum with RCE and he just gave up I would bus him not waste my time talking to a wall

[Aristeia]

I will admit that IF they are the scumteam, they did indeed get away with just that.

But it does require the 'if' there--and the proposed scenario relies on a set of things happening the scumteam could fundamentally NOT have controlled the entire time.

The scumteam could not control the town into not flash-wagoning a slot other than Titus.
The scumteam could not control the town into ignoring Titus's reads.
The scumteam could not control the town into ignoring the day-end wagon.
The scumteam could not control the town into not thinking about their stances on Titus.
The scumteam could not control my reevaluation coming into D3 and me thinking that the scumteam is not any of Dwlee/T3/Norwee (as shown by how I almost entered today with a 1v1 with Dwlee who was a top suspect coming into D3 for me!).
The scumteam could not even, from D1, control D3 being lylo! (Although this is the one they have the most control over, it's not infallible.)

The scumteam could make plans to hope that these happened.
And IF the scumteam IS T3-Dwlee-Norwee, those things WOULD have happened.
But the scumteam could not have controlled them to happen.

They could try to make them happen--but you're not presenting the evidence of them trying to make those things happen. You're saying it happened and that the scum basically hope and prayed for it to happen and then lucked out with it ending up actually happening.
And even if they DID try to make it happen (which I don't see evidence of), they had no guarantee it WOULD happen.

They did make it happen

They are on the verge of victory right now.

They are one town vote away from winning this game.

This is something that

ALREADY HAPPENED

I understand that they could not psychically plan for everything to fit

perfectly

into place.

But it did.

Their plan worked very very well.

You are unlikely to change your mind.

You sound very very tunneled.

You are famous for not changing your mind.

They are very very likely to win right here.

[Aristeia]

I respect your effort Aristeia, but it’s completely wasted when RCE is so clearly scum that is giving up.

If I were scum with RCE and he just gave up I would bus him not waste my time talking to a wall

How would you know you couldn’t mislim me? You took this fight, confident in victory. And now you’ve forced yourself into an battle you can’t win.

You think I believed I could change Mastina's mind about a 95% townread?

Really Norwee.

When the hell has that EVER happened in Mastina's entire life?

Give me a single example.

[Aristeia]

Also, as i said earlier. Mastina caught me as scum in three seconds during ODM, yet i apparently pocketed them for three entire days in this game.

are you going to pretend that you are such a bad player that you can't learn from your mistakes and fix things?

that mastina is some kind of omnipotent scum catching goddess that she couldn't possibly misread you hence you must be town?

like how much more bad faith bullshit can you spew in this thread?

[Aristeia]

Look at that wolfy pop in from Datisi.

yea Datisi keeps popping in and calling me/rce scum and saying he wants to vote RCE

very scummy

very wolfy

Very aligned with me.

/sarcasm

[Aristeia]

How would i know you even knew who Mastina was? I’ve been treating you like an new user most of this game.

I quoted two games of Mastina!scum to her and told her to her face this is her meta and how she plays it.

It's pretty obvious I am familiar with Mastina as a player.

[Aristeia]

Repeat a lie many enough times and it becomes true. That’s what Aristeia is trying to do here by constantlt spouting shady garbage about every single opinion i have.

No actually I am dismantling every lie you tell by using basic logic.

You're the one on nonstop lie spew.

[Aristeia]

Anyway, i don’t know why i even bother.
Mastina is going to vote you and RCE’s flip is going to shut you up good for tommorow.

Well yea cuz the game will be over when he flips green and I'm going to never post in this game again and just pretend it never happened.

Ss/Lilith were right.

This game is just soul draining and not enjoyable at all.

[Aristeia]

is that what you did when you killed titus/SS/Lilith?

Destroying Mafia?

Just ridiculous the lies you spew.

[Aristeia]

i'm getting increasingly worried about the fact that aristeia has completely stopped talking to me today - like i don't remember a single post she made towards me. which is like, i guess more fuel for that theory

I'm 100% sure Mastina is town because Norwe's demeanour changed when she said he was very town and he began to openly taunt me.

If I can't convince her he is scum, we lose this game.

I have spent all my energy on her. I don't have the spoons left for you

if you cant figure out im town either then we just lose

[Aristeia]

jesus fuck i can't wait for this to be norwee/mastina/dwlee and i turn out to be a complete fucking idiot again

this cant be the scum team because they would have already won by now.

[Aristeia]

So your solve is RCE/Ari/T3?

You know, i could actually believe that.
Because T3 is just kinda doing nothing? Which is also what RCE is doing?
But then that means the only one that is being weirdly obstinate about this whole thing is Aristeia.

your lies change every minute depending on who you talk to.

[Aristeia]

vote out your teammate t3 if you actually believe this

[Aristeia]

you going to vote T3 or confess you were lying earlier?

[Aristeia]

norwee is just going to call this bad scum theatre between us

why cant you just try to win instead of being lazy

[Aristeia]

theres only 7 people alive datisi r u drunk

[Aristeia]

datisi let mastina make the mistake

dwlee is trying to induce you into voting rce for the loss

[Aristeia]

Ari did you read this day at all. Zero chance I'm scum here lol

I know im town

if you think the solve is t3/rce/ari then vote t3 and i vote with u

[Aristeia]

my solve is norwee/t3/dwlee rn

you and norwee keep trying to bait datisi into voting for rce

[Aristeia]

every time datisi wanders into the thread with his completely lost af look on his face and says "i think rce/ari are scum",
norwee is like "i can see that" and "you should vote for rce"

when datisi is not around norwee is like "rce/ari/datisi lockscum"

it is very transparent what they are doing

they just need one of datisi/mastina to vote wrong and its game over

[Aristeia]

Well I know I'm town so why don't you vote RCE

???????


im not voting for rce because he is town in my solve and we are at elo.


why wont you vote for t3 if your solve has t3 as scum!?

[Aristeia]

why wont you vote for T3 if your solve has T3 as scum!?!?!?

[Aristeia]

see they r just lying

the team is norwee/t3/dwlee

[Aristeia]

when datisi is around they tell him to vote rce and tell him he is town

but if they really believed rce/ari/t3 solve and datisi is town they would be willing to vote for t3!!!!!!

when challenged they just make up excuses

[Aristeia]

associatives are just performance art

only votes to kill actually matter

scum set up anti associatives all the time with fake interactions

[Aristeia]

you also hammered limit

if you believe t3 is scum then vote for him

[Aristeia]

if mastina convinced you T3 is scum then why are you telling Datisi that your solve is ari/rce/t3?

[Aristeia]

should be if mastina convinced you t3 is town then why r u telling a different story to Datisi?

[Aristeia]

i am getting dizzy just trying to follow you/norwees lies at this point