mini theme 2229: MBOS 13 schweppes' pulpy potions daya 5

[The Emperor]

[The Emperor]

I like NorwegianboyEE and Green Cap Boys

VOTE: Dwlee

[The Emperor]

[The Emperor]

VOTE: The Emperor

[The Emperor]

I have town pings on everyone else who'd posted

The only logical explanation is to PoE and vote in the rest

[The Emperor]

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

Town post this far more often than scum think to fake it

I'm going to take this at face value and assume you're not the sort of person to fake this sort of thing. Unless you say you are.

Towny for recognising that and calling it out

Dwlee's giving me town pings for their weird posting that on a surface level looks scummy, and scum are less likely to make

[The Emperor]

VOTE: Titus

[The Emperor]

Keep up with the reads of the Senate, they're lightning fast

[The Emperor]

It's unironically good though

[The Emperor]

He's not in it for the money, he's in it for the prestige and rep that comes with his most strongest potions

[The Emperor]

You'll get there

[The Emperor]

VOTE: ta vera

[The Emperor]

Do you always catch up like this, rather than waiting to read a little ahead to see if your queries have already been answered?

[The Emperor]

why would scum be less likely to recognize it?

It's harder to know what's actually towny as scum, it's also not beneficial for scum to give credence to townslips

[The Emperor]

it doesn't look scummy to me. it looks like normal goofing around which is NAI.

Goofing around that looks kinda scummy, making scum less likely to post it

[The Emperor]

why would scum be less likely to recognize it?

It's harder to know what's actually towny as scum, it's also not beneficial for scum to give credence to townslips

on the contrary, i find that i confbias myself into seeing townies as towny when i'm scum. the second point might be valid. i'll think about it.

That's also true, depends on the player

[The Emperor]

it doesn't look scummy to me. it looks like normal goofing around which is NAI.

Goofing around that looks kinda scummy, making scum less likely to post it

what looks scummy about it?

It's weird, and weird often equals people feeling scummy on a surface level

[The Emperor]

Dwlee seemed like a very efficient robot as scum in the last game we had.

That's a good sign too

[The Emperor]

on the contrary, i find that i confbias myself into seeing townies as towny when i'm scum.

this could be what The Emperor is doing.
VOTE: The Emperor

Incorrect

Reads are hard and fast here when Order 66 is on the horizon

[The Emperor]

Meesa propose that the senate give immediately emergency powers to the Supreme Chancellor.

What will you be executing?

[The Emperor]

on the contrary, i find that i confbias myself into seeing townies as towny when i'm scum.

this could be what The Emperor is doing.
VOTE: The Emperor

Incorrect

Reads are hard and fast here when Order 66 is on the horizon

what do you mean by that?

I like pushing any reads or thoughts I have out, also helps getting the game going early

[The Emperor]

on the contrary, i find that i confbias myself into seeing townies as towny when i'm scum.

this could be what The Emperor is doing.
VOTE: The Emperor

Incorrect

Reads are hard and fast here when Order 66 is on the horizon

what do you mean by that?

I like pushing any reads or thoughts I have out, also helps getting the game going early

do you have any scumreads? do you actually scumread me?

No scumreads yet

I didn't like the way you started catching up but seems to be nai after a quick meta check. Your reason for voting me is okay, even if incorrect

[The Emperor]

[The Emperor]

What's the point of ingredients? Am I missing something?

[The Emperor]

so i typed out a post outlining how dunnstral is scum, because he's not posting here while posting elsewhere, and how that is scum indicative because of some of my previous games with him... and then i had enough brain to check the op, and it turns out he's not even playing in this game. whoops.

How do you "outline" that without breaking site rules?

[The Emperor]

So you were gonna outline the past games, not the current games, sure

[The Emperor]

EXECUTE ORD728292 I HAVE TH6 HUHR GROUNF A JARJAR NEYER REVEAOS HIS SECREYS

You were always the chosen one, and the world

did

revolve around you

[The Emperor]

does anyone want to vote The Emperor with me?

How do you feel about 82 or 85 regarding your town read confirming biased theory

[The Emperor]

PSSSSHHHHHZZZZZZ

that's the sound of lightning

[The Emperor]

I tried to have fun and it didn't work out, my mind just slightly decayed

Back to stone cold serious posting

[The Emperor]

I have a meta read on Bingle which I'll hold onto for now

[The Emperor]

what about the back and forth between me and The Emperor? mechanics talk isn't the only thing that has been happening. it was only a piece for a little bit.

I didn't care.

Strange response

VOTE: Titus

[The Emperor]

VOTE: titus

"trying to keep the game in rvs for longer instead of doing something to get us out of it" feels like one of those reasoning that almost never works, but i'm running with it for now.

-D

You think the functionally V/LA Titus is the one to push over avoiding thread progression?

Explain what you mean by avoiding thread progression? I've read the frog as proactive

[The Emperor]

ok, i will comment on that. early on in the game, the emperor's 34 gave me vague scumpings, mostly the way he called retti townie felt a bit off / tmi-y. i told this to retti, who talked me out of it because he thought it was nai. *however*, we've agreed that that's probably a +town event for ta vera (coupled with ta vera's later read on the emperor), since the two of us saw him pretty similarly, and something something mindmeld.

Hydra discussions towny

VOTE: Limit does not exist

[The Emperor]

That's the vibe Green Cap Boys give me actually

I skimmed through the Cap/Norwegian food fight earlier and the Boy came out looking substantially better than the Boys imo. I'll elaborate when I find time later

VOTE: Green Cap Boys

[The Emperor]

Norwegian -

Who said they would need to be panicky? It just felt sinister to me.

If they do this all games then i suppose it’s not AI, but to me it felt like it.

Why would me finding something to be scummy mean i am scum? I don’t see the connection.

I liked this sequence, like he's posting his thoughts on the matter as they come to him in quick succession. Think scum are more likely to compile it all into one post and give it more thought rather than spontaneously post in this manner

I agree with Datisi's characterization, but I would think that the fear of being undermined by scum would be more towny than anything? Unless he's that confident in his scumgame that he expects to become townread.

-S

I also agree with this -S guy

UNVOTE:
Explain why it's scummy for me to scumread them here Datisi.

I also like this unvote after -S's assessment, which he later comes back to here:

I think S_S could be town for their response here.

Considering the topic of argument between Norwegian and Cap Boys there was whether or not his reaction towards Limit was valid, I find it unlikely that a scum Norwegian would yield and unvote so quickly during it

I just don't really vibe with 196 from Green Caps. It's hard to poke holes in exactly what doesn't sit right with me, but it's the overall classification that's been given I think. Like I do

know

of Norwegian and am also aware that Green Cap Boys do (shocking meta from a secret alt, I know), but the defensive reaction from Norwegian is something I'd say was towny from him, even if it is possible to spin it as scummy in a vacuum, which is what Cap Boys may be doing

So you see me as an very calm and level-headed individual as town? With the experience you have of my town playstyle up to now?

This basically

213 - The logic here is feasible but I just don't agree

218 - the sentiment of being annoyed yet trying to see through it and judge whether or not it's a TvT is towny

s_s, we would never. :3

anyway, VOTE: norwee. 183 feels like an extremely overblown response to s_s saying "btw, 8 isn't a townslip". trying really hard / having an agenda to make sure norwee isn't townread? by saying that one (1) page 1 post isn't a townslip? come on.

-D

literally my first fucking post against you was that you were overblowing and maliciously presenting s_s's post, are you serious?

-D

Ok i'm pretty confident in my townread on GCB now. Their anger seems genuine.
Which means scum might be in the slots that was voting with me.

Nah, that anger is nai probably

I think Green Cap Boys get annoyed there regardless of alignment, since from their perspective their words are being misinterpreted from Norwegian

[The Emperor]

I have a meta read on Bingle which I'll hold onto for now

So the meta read here is that scum Bingle doesn't really joke around about mech early game, while he almost always does as town from what I've seen

I don't really like the angle he's taking wrt to ta vera right now. 159 felt selective since it doesn't mention ta vera's mech analysis which I actually felt like it served some use, as well as her push on The Senate

[The Emperor]

I have a meta read on Bingle which I'll hold onto for now

So the meta read here is that scum Bingle doesn't really joke around about mech early game, while he almost always does as town from what I've seen

However,

I don't really like the angle he's taking wrt to ta vera right now. 159 felt selective since it doesn't mention ta vera's mech analysis which I actually felt like it served some use, as well as her push on The Senate

ebwop

[The Emperor]

I agree with Datisi's characterization, but I would think that the fear of being undermined by scum would be more towny than anything? Unless he's that confident in his scumgame that he expects to become townread.

-S

Wouldn't scum-Norwee know that even if I get myself in hot water there's a good chance lilith comes and saves my ass and then he just looks silly?

If he was seriously trying to get me killed, that is.

-S

I never used the word "useful".

Well, I don't understand what Dwlee would expect to gain by giving the appearance of engaging uselessly.

-S

Unsure if the same head but Retti directly said in 259 that they thought Dwlee was trying to appear like they were here, which I assume is only an appearance scum would want to have if it helps them in some way?

-S

Townleaning Limit Breakers for these takes

[The Emperor]

What's town about them, exactly?

-R

Nuanced takes which I agree with

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Dunno, I'll ask

@Retti: Why do you disagree with Datisi?

[The Emperor]

something rings wrong to me about emperor making a huge wallpost about me/norwee interaction, but only a tiny section of it is dedicated for why he found me scummy. i'd ask why is he that sure that that's me spinning things scummy as opposed to me seeing something and calling it out, but something tells me that won't be a productive discussion? iunno.

actually sure - why do you think it makes me scum as opposed to someone who saw it differently than you?

-D

I'm not sure, if I was sure, I'd have dedicated more to explaining why you were scummy. You're a scumlean

I'm unsure if you're town who just sees it differently to me since I know you specifically have experience with Norwegian, I saw it as a standard town Norwegian reaction, or nai at worst. The reasoning you gave isn't even bad in a vacuum, I'd actually agree with it if it was being used on a secret alt for example, but the fact it lands on our dear Norwegian Boy is what sends me shivers

[The Emperor]

Because it feels townie...? It's not like i analyzed your posts, it just feels to me like a typical townie response.
I don't know why i didn't feel the same in Smuggler port because it's way too long ago but it probably wasn't the same if my conclusion is different here.

Scum can feel frustration and anger

You need to look at what's causing the frustration and whether it's something town specifically would feel or whether scum could as well

[The Emperor]

Generally speaking, angry "OMG MISREPPED MY POSTS U SCUUUUMMMMM" usually come from town you know.
You probably didn't react that way in Smuggler port or you did it in an much more relaxed and malicious manner.

Eh maybe on average, there are more town than scum in games though which might cause some confirming biasing

[The Emperor]

So the meta read here is that scum Bingle doesn't really joke around about mech early game, while he almost always does as town from what I've seen

Contextually bad read, but probably a genuine one given the nuance. If you want to compare that game to a similar towngame of mine, you should look at the lovers and losers reset.

Why would I consider mech analysis from ta Vera as AI when mech analysis is explicitly not AI?

I see

Mech analysis isn't AI, but it can be towny if it's useful, which I thought ta vera's one was

Does that or her push on I factor into your read at all?

[The Emperor]

Does Flea The Magician have an alignment preference?

[The Emperor]

Hmm

[The Emperor]

I don't know why you'd think that's a good agenda to adopt, but you made 299 so whatever

[The Emperor]

What's town about them, exactly?

-R

Nuanced takes which I agree with

"Nuanced" is quickly becoming the top meaningless buzzword people say because they think it sounds clever. What he's doing is expressing disagreement, in his usual sort of rote pedantic way. They don't even really reach the realm of "takes" as much as dismissal of other takes. And while I don't even find that particularly bad in and of itself (I was poking at dwlee halfheartedly just to see what they'd say in response, it was not a read I'd put much stock in), it's also incredibly easy to do and hardly rises to the level of being a towntell.

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Dunno, I'll ask

@Retti: Why do you disagree with Datisi?

Well, possibly because we are different people who interpret things that are said differently based on our own subjective experience with the game and way of thinking.

Oh, I'm sorry, did you want the non-philosophical answer? I just didn't think Norwee getting suspicious of TLDNE for denying him a townread was particularly scummy. I'd liked his early posting enough to think he was town regardless. I bought the tell, regardless of what limit says, because a number of people derped on the setup in the last MBOS and as scum I had to basically cover my eyes and pretend those towntells didn't exist.

If I gave a single hoot about optics I'd probably have butted in the go "Hey Datisi quit picking a fight with Norwee that's a really stupid idea", but the game is in this bizarre limbo where half the game barely exists and 3 people have literally not posted at all so I figured I'd let him do his thing and see what comes of it. In the end I came away from it still thinking Norwee is town but it spurred a little conversation so overall I think it wasn't a bad thing.

-R

Regarding -S: the takes are useful and shooting down other opinions that are AI, I don't think it's just being pedantic

e.g: you were reading Dwlee's 250 as being suspicious since you stated it was floaty behavior. I would disagree though, and agree with -S's assessment that there's far better ways to appear active or involved as scum than a relatively useless question, faking reads for example

Your disagreement with Datisi is fairly town-indicative if I'm to use the sacred book of hydra tells

[The Emperor]

It's not

unfakeable

but I do think scum hydras think less to have vocal disagreements and talk about private discussions like this, it's probably slightly town indicative. 164 was pretty good as well actually

Maybe that's enough to counteract my disagreement on the Norwegian case files

Who to vote.. who to vote...

[The Emperor]

Don't really know what to think of mastina

Am somewhat struggling to get reads tho. I don't know why.

This is unusual for her but I dunno if it's ai, tempted to she'd just fake the reads as scum, but that's way too easy and easily fakeable

[The Emperor]

VOTE: Bingle

Lack of general progressions since his ta vera vote a while back

The last four posts are incredibly weird and I would like to know more.

Any followup on this? What'd you make of the resulting Boy/Boys and then Emperors feud?

[The Emperor]

Lack of general progressions since his ta vera vote a while back

Do you mean this as a general thing or are you referring specifically to ta vera? Because... ta vera has done nothing worth responding to, so of course I haven't reevaluated there.

General thing

[The Emperor]

The post from SS was equally :eyebrows: because it just made no sense. Why would you have to consider the veracity of your own hypothetical townslip to the point where sheeping my view on it would be suspicious?

Can you link what post this is referring to?

[The Emperor]

What'd you make of the resulting Boy/Boys and then Emperors feud?

I'm reading all of you as town independently, and I think the 'feud' is pretty silly.

Mind giving reasons?

I echo Norwegian Boy's thoughts that I find it unusual that you didn't think to comment on anything specific about it, given it was the meat of the thread for a good amount of pages

[The Emperor]

p3 is page 3 I would assume

[The Emperor]

Titus, do you wanna go into why you had reservations wrt Dwlee and I?

[The Emperor]

Exhausting day. I'm here for a while, let's see what I can do

[The Emperor]

Tired eyes make for slow reading and impossibility deciphering mech posts like 387 - come back to this when more awake

[The Emperor]

I will be shooting who I want to

This is a little

too

antagonistic, probably because of the bluntness

What happened to the weirdposting, Dwlee? You seemed to be having fun with that earlier. Don't say I put you off when I brought it up

[The Emperor]

I’m going Bingle.

I’m assuming I’m the lim today, tbh, and I’m not really fighting it because I have no potions. The real question is can I orchestrate a mass action chain to follow after I die.

Huh what

Yeah, this one was strangely defeatist

[The Emperor]

Ugh, I'm so tired. Should probably save this as a treat for tomorrow

Awake enough to see Bingle is town posting page 17/18 though

UNVOTE: Bingle

[The Emperor]

I will be shooting who I want to

This is >rand town, unfortunately, but does dovetail nicely with the inclination I had toward "bored town".

-R

I'll go back to this

I don't think that is >rand town, given a player like Dwlee is probably very aware that controversially going against consensus mech can be seen as towny. I don't like that they don't choose to comment on anything about the plan or anything else in the post, so it could be aiming to give that impression

[The Emperor]

I wanna go here though:

VOTE: Limit

Doubting my earlier townlean there

just passing through, don't really have anything new to add - I have the same questions as most of the recent posts re: which of SS's posts bingle is talking about/why titus is pushing fairy circle/why norwee thought SS was initially scummy but not bingle for the same action/why mastina thinks bingle is scumclaiming

- lilith

This felt odd at the time. It's strange that lilith is only interested in questioning here, and isn't in the mindset to gives takes or reads of her own.

I'm still tapping my foot waiting for people to explain what the hell they have against Bingle.

But I'm sure we could find something to talk about.

-S

This feels out of place. Not sure why -S is saying this if he hasn't engaged or questioned me about the earlier reasons (335 354) I gave on Bingle. This implies there aren't any in the thread

[The Emperor]

Also, lilith's seeming disinterest this game is worrying, I'm used to

more

from her

[The Emperor]

I will be shooting who I want to

This is a little

too

antagonistic, probably because of the bluntness

What happened to the weirdposting, Dwlee? You seemed to be having fun with that earlier. Don't say I put you off when I brought it up

Grumpy dwlee

Something this game or oog?

[The Emperor]

Well, I'll await your answer on the morrow, since the Senate now sleeps

[The Emperor]

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

I don't know. I could see scum looking at the rules or whatever and realizing 'wtf I don't have a nightkill better townslip '

Why would exactly that be my first thought if i was scum?

Yeah, that's a yikes. Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian?

I have Thoughts on the setup but will not be discussing them until later as I'd rather play things out normally for a bit rather than get bogged down in mechanical arguments.

-R

Townpost. Secretiveness with reads is almost always towny.

Squinting your eyes there to see mech as reads, buddy

what about the back and forth between me and The Emperor? mechanics talk isn't the only thing that has been happening. it was only a piece for a little bit.

LOOK AT MEEEEE IM POSTING CONTENT
VOTE: ta vera

This is a pretty ugly interpretation of ta vera's post. Even in the case of ta vera scum, I doubt her goal with that question is to make herself look towny by pointing out she's posting content. Strange that T3 reaches that conclusion

No idea what mastina is on about in 495/496

Maybe she's trying to reaction test based on there being no town sample role pm in the OP? I don't think that works though because scum either has one in the scum PT or can ask for one

[The Emperor]

I never used the word "useful".

Well, I don't understand what Dwlee would expect to gain by giving the appearance of engaging uselessly.

-S

All of your posts feel weird to me. Like you're choosing to talk about things that matter very little.

Have you played with -S before?

[The Emperor]

Also, lilith's seeming disinterest this game is worrying, I'm used to

more

from her

?? who are you

I've seen a couple of your town games and you were far more productive by this point with the cutlery. Although you also were the one time I saw you roll scum tbf.

I feel pretty good about norwee town. that's all I've got so far. going to sleep now.

- lilith

I dunno how this is your only real take thus far though. Like normally I'd say this is on average towny since it's very easy to fake reads most of the time if you really want to, but I think there's been plenty of good content this game to get a lot more than this, so it's a little baffling

[The Emperor]

Ta Vera is starting to feel like that scumslot who efforts early game but then gradually get’s bored and then you realize in their abscence that they were never all that townie.

It isn't an uncommon trope for scum in games to start strong with vigor and then peter out before being eventually replaced, and ta vera fits that archetype. I could see it.

[The Emperor]

townbloc: T3, Norwee, Emp, GCB

Ok, i’m fine with it for now.

I have issues with T3 in there but the latter 3 are fine users of the Force

Wagon purity reads are mostly bunk.

-R

Agree. Even if all 4 on that wagon were town, it doesn't make the receiver much more likely to be scum imo

[The Emperor]

Also i got a new computer and holy hell does it feel a lot more slick. I think i had my older gaming laptop for about 8 years.
I'm feeling like a king sitting here typing on MS today.

What's the screen resolution at? It felt like my reads tripled in accuracy when I upgraded from 1080p to 2k

[The Emperor]

Ta Vera is starting to feel like that scumslot who efforts early game but then gradually get’s bored and then you realize in their abscence that they were never all that townie.

I don't think her vanishing completely is AI although she certainly

could

be scum

Why do you say this? Vanishing completely is scum AI if you look at the stats, unless you have additional information about her disappearing act

[The Emperor]

I’d appreciate it if Datisi or Emperor could chime in what their opinion is, and i’ll take it into account.

It's honestly very similar to your reaction to the whole townslip debacle early game

>Player A points out Player X is town for reason
>Player B disagrees with said reason, but does not call Player X scum for it
>Player X is outraged and scumreads Player B for this

Contrary to your situation, Flea's overreaction is pretty scummy for them imo, I don't have a picture of them in my head as someone to react harshly like that to this kind of situation (and no offense, Norwegian - you're just

passionate

)

Now as for this read that is being disagreed with, it is my understanding that Norwee is of the mind that we are to be eliminated, as the scummiest hydra.

I don't think Norwegian was expressing Fairy Circle needed eliminating by shooting down reasoning for a townread

Anyway i do not wish to fight you on this. I’ve stated my point and i believe it is logical and just. You may disagree but i’m not discussing it anymore.

Norwee has since disengaged under guise of believing that I think he is a hydra, which I clearly know he is not given we have played together before.

This is also a very strange interpretation of the post above it. Looks to me that the Boy didn't wanna argue about the validity of the townread, not due the fact that Fairy Circle implied he was a hydra. Weird framing of it

[The Emperor]

I feel like I have too many suspects now

[The Emperor]

At least I can townread you, great one

[The Emperor]

Can we talk about the scum claim thing? I want that resolved but idk if bingle is willing to full claim

Btw the more I think about mastina's approach there the more I think her conviction is towny. Like I don't understand the reasoning whatsoever, but mastina seems to genuinely believe in it. Boom, my townhunting radar isn't broken after all

Titus page 25/26 is good just based on tone

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Largely symbolic as I'll vote any of the three in my solve.

Seriously though, you're about as likely to nail a 3 person scumteam on day 1 as you are to win the lottery. I don't think it's scummy but just saying

Well, actually, I just did the math and it's 1/220 which isn't nearly as bad as I thought, but still

VOTE: Titus
I townread your entire hero solve and the third one is me. Picking three names and none of them being scum is what I think happened here, and I think that is scum!indicative for Titus.

Picking Norwegian of the 3 to vote, who is the most vocal and townread of the 3 of you, probably is town indicative though. It's a lot less hassle for scum Titus to push and vote T3 or yourself there

[The Emperor]

Norwee has felt typical of town-him but I don't think he's really out of his scumrange at all? I don't know if I've seen him as scum, so I'm not really sure there.

-S

Have you ever seen scum Norwegian have this kind of fire in his veins?

Jesus. And you say i’ve got scummy takes.
So now you’re using my real life reason to be tired to claim i’m frozen because of your crapped out solve?
Are you fucking serious?
VOTE: Titus
Die scum, die.

Because I definitely haven't

I don't like lilith's reaction to Datisi here. The level of frustration doesn't really feel appropriate, I think town!lilith should logically see why there's fingers being pointed her way. Like I get irl gets in the way or that motivation is low, but low motivation and lack of reads are scum indicative traits so what can you do, people are gonna suspect you for it.

[The Emperor]

Also, I'm retracting the mastina townread, I was probably too trigger happy with it, given mastina hasn't actually elaborated on her reasoning yet and I shouldn't just townread conviction alone without underlying reasons

[The Emperor]

Have you played with -S before?

A couple times, yes. We've seen all configurations except town-T3/scum-S_S.

-S

Cool

Hey T3, how are -S's posts there different from what you've seen of his usual posting in those games?

[The Emperor]

I skimmed the rest because I got tired of being in forever catchup mode

Titus is probably town for deciding to pick 3 fights at once

[The Emperor]

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

You're reading way too deep into that.

townbloc: T3, Norwee, Emp, GCB

Ok, i’m fine with it for now.

I have issues with T3 in there but the latter 3 are fine users of the Force

Wagon purity reads are mostly bunk.

-R

Agree. Even if all 4 on that wagon were town, it doesn't make the receiver much more likely to be scum imo

VCA
BAD

The difference VCA creates is negligible.

Like sure, maybe the hammervote on scum usually comes from >rand scum but it's so little it doesn't matter.

Can you elaborate on this VCA thing? You obviously disagree with its use but I don't see a single take on whether you think Titus is scummy for what she's saying about it, and why

[The Emperor]

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

You're in too deep Titus.

sRCE is townish for this.

???

Okay, maybe the bad takes here are enough to mean they're scum ones

VOTE: T3

[The Emperor]

812: I'm asking what your read on Titus is in relation to the VCA thing, since I don't see much purpose for those posts otherwise

[The Emperor]

Have you ever seen scum Norwegian have this kind of fire in his veins?

I have never seen scum Norwee at all, I don't think.

-S

He doesn't have this fire

Have you played with -S before?

A couple times, yes. We've seen all configurations except town-T3/scum-S_S.

-S

Cool

Hey T3, how are -S's posts there different from what you've seen of his usual posting in those games?

I said that?

I mean, why is it scummy this game specifically, given -S has probably also posted like this in your other games with him

[The Emperor]

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

You're in too deep Titus.

sRCE is townish for this.

???

Okay, maybe the bad takes here are enough to mean they're scum ones

VOTE: T3

I know I'm bombarding you here, but I'd also like elaboration on this

[The Emperor]

Man where’s Emperor at.

[The Emperor]

(At work, gonna catch up tonight)

[The Emperor]

836: I noticed this too but it's a very big picture way of looking at things. Effort-wise, there's no way to tell if this is a town game or scum game he's decided to put more effort into. His content in his last scumgame is also a lot less effort than this game, so I dunno why more effort = scum

Also, the effort he's posted has been towny

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837: Not scummy on both ends, scummy on T3's end, since I don't know what's townish about you telling Titus she's in too deep. Even if the sentiment is defending T3, and T3 thinks

scum has no reason to defend me here and stop Titus

, there's nothing you said that would actually change Titus's mind, it's just poor reasoning

From a brief skim og Bingle's meta it seems the only big diference is the amount of contenthe puts out. Scum!Bingle in DQ2 didn't post walls on players explaining his reads and most of his contentis relation to reads were bad one-liners. In comparison, town Bingle in ODM usually gave good and well thought out reasons for reads and quoted the specific posts he was reading players for. Town Bingle in Aliensitter fluffed a lot more but much of his content was the same as ODM and it only increased as the game continued. Conclusion from these 3 games: Bingle is probably town but I'll look at more of his games.

This is better from him though (and 840)

841: This is actually pretty interesting, and although it doesn't sell me it does make me like mastina more

[The Emperor]

(currently going through some isos, don't be surprised if there's more seemingly random questions from me later on)

@emperor, could you elaborate on your t3 read?

-D

He was consistently making takes I disagreed with, went over the RCE thing above

Also, I don't think I ever said this because it felt unnecessary, but for transparency's sake; GCB have been strong town for me for a while

[The Emperor]

The race to read through all this paperwork by the deadline is a struggle. Time to spread it out in between some rocket league games

[The Emperor]

I don't want to vote Titus, I don't want to vote Bingle. I trust Norwee

and by extension his townreads (Emperor, GCB, mastina).

Leaving Dwlee, T3, RCE, Fairy Circle.

-S

Do you normally do this? I've never seen you sheep someone you trust like this before unless you agree with the reasoning

[The Emperor]

Eh, there comes a point where what Titus is doing starts to become unbelievable, as in it's hard to believe she actually thinks stuff like 1201 or 1222

I don't understand what her motive is as scum, since it's just nonsensical to pick so many fights, and then remain stubborn on them when clearly nothing good is coming from it. But maybe this is hindsight and she didn't expect it to snowball out of control

And then there's posts like this:

This argument here is why meta is shit ladies and gentlemen and people.

Dwlee is trying to paint this game as equivalent to another game, when the situation is hardly similar. It's not even clear exactly what point Dwlee is trying to make beyond "its possible" that I could be scum.

899 is particularly baffling. It's an accurate thing of what scum do (they want to kill town and save scum) but it says nothing about why or how that's relevant here. The most generous thing I can think of is that Titus pushed town as scum so pushing my townreads makes Titus scum. This argument would mean anyone pushing his townreads is scummy. That's not an argument most town push. It's an argument of someone trying to keep a read in the pool.

There's no intent from Dwlee to sort why I feel the way I do. There's no attempt to engage NorwegianboyEE here. It's about attacking NorwegianboyEE's conclusion.

Dwlee is hearing but not listening. He's reading to reply. He's looking for little cues as to what to say.

Dwlee has yet to put out a substantial reason for any of his reads. The read on me is debatable (wrong and forced are technically reasons).

He's not asking about other thoughts in the thread. You wouldn't even know half the game is here by his ISO.

He complains he's not active enough to ask questions and scumhunt.

So what the fuck is he still doing here?

Like it kinda feels like she's trying to tick as many checkmarks as she can to explain Dwlee-scum, but each point doesn't really mean a whole lot substantially

[The Emperor]

Nah, I can't do it. I still lean her towards being stubborn town, though her takes baffle me

VOTE: Fairy Circle

Don't feel very strongly about this either, but I can buy into the townslip being dodgy considering Titus has been talking about a 3 person team/solve for quite a while now, it's kinda hard to miss that when it dominates so much discussion

I think I still prefer Limit if anyone wants to do a sneaky flashwagon, b

[The Emperor]

VOTE: Limit

Excellent

[The Emperor]

Stay on Titus please

Emperor is not making me feel good with this

Summarise why Titus is scum

[The Emperor]

Do you normally do this? I've never seen you sheep someone you trust like this before unless you agree with the reasoning

I do it, like, every other game.

-S

Opinion on the two leading wagons? You both feel very underwhelming this game

[The Emperor]

Is she this difficult/fight clubby as scum though? I've always found she almost makes

more

sense as scum and has less controversial takes.

[The Emperor]

^regarding Titus

[The Emperor]

Lilith! Same question to you that I gave -S if you don't mind

[The Emperor]

Dwlee: Yeah, that's the thing, town-Titus often makes me feel like that. It's usually easier to read her motives imo

Yes, this is a meta read

[The Emperor]

She's had multiple opportunities to back down from her "herosolve" which was recieved very badly, yet stubbornly stands by it

What's the scum-motivation?

[The Emperor]

Well, congrats on the FGO win, lilith

Try and find an alternative or someone you scumread, I don't really know how to help you if you are town but need to see reads/reasoning to recognise that. Even the -S guy after his initially decent start hasn't felt as insightful as he normally is

[The Emperor]

She's had multiple opportunities to back down from her "herosolve" which was recieved very badly, yet stubbornly stands by it

What's the scum-motivation?

Backing away from this looks bad

Town can and often should have their minds changed if everyone disagrees with a theory of theirs, it wouldn't look bad unless it was done badly

[The Emperor]

Oh, so she's forced to look stubborn because it's what she would do as town? Mayhaps

[The Emperor]

The Senate will sleep on this after getting the door

NorwegianBoy's outside trying to sell me Touhou games. I already told him I only play Lego Stars Wars: The Complete Saga, but he's fairly insistent

[The Emperor]

No paining here

Happy birthday, Dwlee. Have a dark and pleasant day.

[The Emperor]

I don't think the Titus wagon was scum-driven, Dwlee and NorwegianBoy's exasperation there seemed pretty genuine. Other two votes were the Cap Boys who just overall seem town and Faircy Circle, who I'm unsure on and will have to check how they ended up on Titus

Also, I agree with Dwlee saying Bingle's no potion claim very early is likely to come from town. It's basically the equivalent of claiming VT start of day 1, and those are very often town because it gives you less room to work with, and less incentive for town to keep you around.

Also, Bingle's a very mech driven player, and I doubt he as scum decides to claim no potions knowing the disadvantage he's giving himself later eith inability to claim JK or haema or whatever.

And yeah, there is a minimal chance he's scum who actually just got no potions, but it's very unlikely given the extra odds scum have for potions, and still a bad strat imo.

[The Emperor]

Limit have posted today but seem more focused on defending themselves with stuff like 1589 rather than providing the promised insights/reads. Defending yourself is fine but it's scum-indicative when it's in the place of actual reads and content.

VOTE: Limit

Lethargic scum who really didn't wanna roll scum is all I see when I read that slot

[The Emperor]

i woke up, i skimmed the past few pages, i realized lilith posted only twice and neither of those posts were actual content, so here we go again

Oh hey, I didn't read this but yes

[The Emperor]

Norwegianboy's case on RCE isn't terrible and I'm gonna go ISOing when I find time later. RCE's kinda just flown under my radar since his rep in so some UAVs may be in order

do i think we ran 3 consecutive scum up to e-1 and let all of them go? not really.

Also Titus!scum only makes sense to me here if they've set up a deepwolf already (that makes gcb, norwee, or emperor) OR they're playing a distancing buss (norwee, i guess dwlee but i dont buy either at this point). so i guess the long and short is that Scum!Titus doesnt take this line with Scum!FC as their partner.

im not really considering the norwee/Titus distancing UNLESS titus flips scum.

But for now: Why is Titus more encouraged to do what she did if there's a deepwolf? The end result is a ton of pressure and her eventually getting voted out, which would take attention of her partners regardless of their positions in the hierarchy

[The Emperor]

I probably should have checked Emperor. That was an bad call.

You are forgiven just this once, but misstep further and I shall unleash JarJar on you

VOTE: Fairy circle

When I wake up I'll think about my own hero solve.

Because the last hero solve went down so well, right

[The Emperor]

I don't think the Titus wagon was scum-driven, Dwlee and NorwegianBoy's exasperation there seemed pretty genuine. Other two votes were the Cap Boys who just overall seem town and Faircy Circle, who I'm unsure on and will have to check how they ended up on Titus

Going back to this, it means the equity of Fairy Child being scum who Titus was countered for is a lot less likely, given Titus didn't seem to be pushed by scum

It actually makes another player's actions a lot more sus if Fairy Child is also town but this shall be expanded on later

[The Emperor]

V/LA 2 days