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Uh

Gaize

Im still here, i just fused with Flea!

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In any case, phone issues has me unable to post until late at night buuttttt

That should be rectified soon!

Im also always V/LA on the weekends.

And its monday night. Anyway, someone tell me what i missed

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The emperor is town p3 and the green caps are probably scum here.

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

Also im supposed to be role-playing. Whoops

-momlinda

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Ta vera is also probably town!

Mastina whats going on, why the low confidence in reads

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Yeesh 15 pages.

Owt interesting happening?

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Yeesh 15 pages.

Owt interesting happening?

-Flea

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The emperor is town p3 and the green caps are probably scum here.

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

Also im supposed to be role-playing. Whoops

-momlinda

OH yeah, gotta remember this bit...
*clears throat*

-Malefleacent

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Mastina and Norwee on my *glare* list for now.
Will talk to momcinda.

-Malefleacent

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I've added a temporary one for now.

So, what have I missed?

-Malefleacent

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Well as ever, I dip my toe, and I find things that both sadden and appease me. I have now - oddly - read the pages from the game start as opposed to my picking on certain players.

So, my notes.
The Potion Seller should be witnessed by all.
Meta is of no use to a fool whom does not know how to use it suitably.
I see our other Hydra is being spoken about... -Hades.
Setup speculation has begun it seems. Given this is working in estimations alone I find this to be a fruitless activity. The number of kills the scum hold doesn't matter, as the town also have kills. Town will act upon their instinct of often bad reads and do the work of the mafia for them. Ingredients claiming should also not be done at this point I believe.
I will have to attempt to contact Dr Sherman. It would appear Bingle may need specialised containment procedures.

It would appear that some of our reads are opposed. Interesting.

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-Malefleacent

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Sometimes it easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
I will do neither.


8 town, 3 mafia.

Approximately 11 pain potions.
Mafia have additional 1.2 pain potions approximately, giving them an average of 4 pain potions. This could be more, this could be less. This accounts for 2 kills over 4 days.

That is a total of 12-13 HP damage assuming that each potion deals a single point of damage.
11 players, that will create approximately 6 kills in this game assuming all pain potions are able to be used.

As learned from Yggdrasil, town can and will use their abilities and will not hold them.
As learned from Yggdrasil, mafia do not have the option of an outright kill, forcing them to use their potions.
I will not say what I consider their optimal potion play to be. I don't want to give them ideas.

As for optimal day play, they are required to absolutely stir the pot more than the King and Queen did when they invited the other courts, but not myself to their little celebration.

-Malefleacent.

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Maths is not my strong suit. Neither is English apparently.

Mafia are aware of who to target, their pool is 8, I will not discuss scum tactics here.
Each one of us are only aware of ourselves. Our pool is 10.

2 people need to successfully target any one person to obtain a kill.

Town still has 1-in-10 (2:20) of hitting that kill in a single night. Over two nights it's a lot greater chance of hitting the kill and cannot be estimated without long calculations which frankly I do not have the time nor patience for.

I suspect there will be as much town invoked death as scum invoked. Greatest difficulty in this game is that NKA cannot feasibly happen.

-Malefleacent.

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Correction, any 2 two have 1-in-10 approximately of killing tonight.
I will not detail due to scum considerations.

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Much love titus <3

Norwee, perhaps you may give me a brief overview of what the hell I just read from your side of things?

-Malefleacent

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Could you elaborate on Bingle and Titus? I haven't really felt strongly either way on Bingle, but I do quite like Titus thus far.

-Malefleacent

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Sometimes it easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
I will do neither.


8 town, 3 mafia.

Approximately 11 pain potions.
Mafia have additional 1.2 pain potions approximately, giving them an average of 4 pain potions. This could be more, this could be less. This accounts for 2 kills over 4 days.

That is a total of 12-13 HP damage assuming that each potion deals a single point of damage.
11 players, that will create approximately 6 kills in this game assuming all pain potions are able to be used.

As learned from Yggdrasil, town can and will use their abilities and will not hold them.
As learned from Yggdrasil, mafia do not have the option of an outright kill, forcing them to use their potions.
I will not say what I consider their optimal potion play to be. I don't want to give them ideas.

As for optimal day play, they are required to absolutely stir the pot more than the King and Queen did when they invited the other courts, but not myself to their little celebration.

-Malefleacent.

Okay, that helps. I think this is

probably

an explanation that comes from town. Had a gut lean that way from the momrangal posts but I think the response here solidifies that.


I had put basically 0 care into actually looking at the potential number of pain potions available to scum, I had been considering a worst case scenario of 3 scum kills by night 2 but the probability for that even being possible after setup generation is small-ish

Still, hero shots as town are almost always going to be bad here. That was the subject I had wanted to get into earlier but didn't want to drag things down into mechanics right away. People shooting at their own whim is unlikely to produce a flip (which is at least usable information), but is likely to produce an extra target for scum to kill on subsequent nights.

That was why Bingle's 105 bothered me, there was clearly an idea here of how to play around pain potion usage but he left it as an unfinished shower thought and moved on without exploring it any further. It had a hint of possibly not wanting to go too in-depth because he knows it's more favorable for scum if he doesn't outline a real strategy and lets people do dumb things and fling around pain potions wildly.

-R

It was certainly a long winded way to say "Don't be a hero".

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Could you elaborate on Bingle and Titus? I haven't really felt strongly either way on Bingle, but I do quite like Titus thus far.

-Malefleacent

...why do you like

Titus

?

I admit I have slight bias, it's part of why I wish to talk to Momcinda about reads.

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Could you elaborate on Bingle and Titus? I haven't really felt strongly either way on Bingle, but I do quite like Titus thus far.

-Malefleacent

No i don’t want to elaborate on Bingle yet.
Titus, just really meh so far.
Also what do you make of them saying you need votes? They don’t seem to underline much of any of their votes so far with much reasoning.

That's standard Titus.

So, anyway, my thoughts on the acceptable strategy for Pain potion usage is that we should have a vig pool of at most 2 names for people to shoot at.

This has the benefit of:

1. Concentrating town's firepower such that it's actually possible to flip a suspect. It doesn't matter if scum chooses to shoot there because it's on town, it's still a town-directed kill and is clearing out someone who otherwise would have been an elimination candidate.
2. It makes it scarier for scum to shoot in people outside the pool - in addition to the possibility of having a shot blocked by a doctor/jailkeeper potion, any result from a harmography potion is a hard guilty - they cannot get away with an excuse of "Oh I used my pain on [insert obvtown player here] because I scumread them"

If people want no vig shots at all, I think that's also an acceptable strategy, I just flat-out Do Not Want people shooting on a whim because that is likely to end badly and affords scum too much in the way of wiggle room

-R

Absolutely not.
We give scum free kills with a pool, and honestly trying to control town's shots is never going to end well.

Maths is not my strong suit. Neither is English apparently.

Mafia are aware of who to target, their pool is 8, I will not discuss scum tactics here.
Each one of us are only aware of ourselves. Our pool is 10.

2 people need to successfully target any one person to obtain a kill.

Town still has 1-in-10 (2:20) of hitting that kill in a single night. Over two nights it's a lot greater chance of hitting the kill and cannot be estimated without long calculations which frankly I do not have the time nor patience for.

I suspect there will be as much town invoked death as scum invoked. Greatest difficulty in this game is that NKA cannot feasibly happen.

-Malefleacent.

Not only is this math completely wrong, it’s also completely irrelevant.

We need to either mass holster like we should have done in Ygg or turn the pain potions mechanic into additional eliminations, like we did after morph was confirmed.

I said it wasn't my strong point, and this isn't Ygg. The only similarity is HP and chip potential. Everyones got 2HP and we don't get updates beyond that.
Dwlee has already said they're not following this tactic. (I see in my PEdit a possible agreement for pool shots)
No matter how perfect your strategy is, you will have the human element to battle against.

2 names for people to shoot at.

These names should be leashed. First five can shoot at one, second five can shoot at the other. Additional benefit of mafia risking having to justify why they didn’t shoot.

And this is an absolutely waste of any power town has, and I know you're not stupid enough to suggest this legitmately.

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Recent posts have been Malefleacent.

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That I can see in the limited information I have, we cannot even biasconf people here.

We have a limited supply of pain pots, and you're suggesting dumping them into 2 players. Thats what it reads as to me.

Not only that, we're dealing with random distribution of pain pots and it's entirely possible that there are people with no pots and multiple pots, as well as people holding more than 3 pots as you've already highlighted.

The only way this game can be optimised is with a full massclaim, which is frankly stupid and is something I can't do anyway at the moment.

-Malefleacent

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They're also savvy enough to attempt to manipulate the list to work in their favour if they're more evil than I.

Harmography pots are our greatest tool here, and Potions of Doctorism cover the tracks of "oh well guess nobody targeted PlayerX last night then" while burning pots.

-Malefleacent

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That's standard Titus.

True. Why does that merit a townread?

If town you was lurking, would scumtitus NOT push you for lurking? I'm seeing all of Titus' thread interaction as very par for the course for Titus, and also completely unparseable for alignment. Of course Titus pushes your slot for actively avoiding the thread, but she does that regardless of her alignment.

Honestly, bias and a hint of gut. Like I said I'm going to talk to Momcinda and see where we stand between us.

-Malefleacent

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I wouldn't read us based on my alignment.

Momcinda hasn't told me what we are yet.

-Malefleacent

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Annoyingly you're one of the reads we're torn on...

-Miffed Malefleacent.

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Momcinda thinks you're town, I don't.

-Malefleacent

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I will do no such thing, as we have yet to speak on it in any detail.

Mom is having some technical issues rn so we're kinda limited for a couple days

-Malefleacent

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Mastina and Norwee on my *glare* list for now.

Flea I <3 you but you're probably just scum here especially since of all the players in the game you're the most qualified for knowing that this is my towngame since you've seen me recently in my games more than anyone else and you not being able to see that I'm town here is one of the reasons why you're probably scum. </3

And that is just why you're on the glare list, not the yeet list. I'm used to you being quite confident in your opening reads, and you fail to have quite same force that I have come to expect here.
Given your recent play, I still hold my suspicions, but I know you will become clear to me in time.

Also, yis, is ana amazing film

As of page 14 I've disagreed with all of Fairy's reads. .-.

Amusingly most of the posts containing reads at that point for Momcindas, I believe I had only aired two people I intend to keep a rather close, unfaltering gaze on.

Momcinda thinks you're town, I don't.

-Malefleacent

+town I think.

This is also an really easy way to fake town as an hydra though.
"Hey Flea, if you say you scumread Norwee while i townread them it will look town, because Townie dissonance is townie. Datisi was doing it with Retti so we need to copy!!"

This is absolutely awful and I pray Momcinda resolves her tech issues soon so that we may take a united stance upon this.

T3 would you care to elaborate more upon your read on us?

-Malefleacent

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This is absolutely awful and I pray Momcinda resolves her tech issues soon so that we may take a united stance upon this.

How is it awful? It’s an genuine strategy i’ve even done myself with Gamma in a scum hydra.
Are you claiming this is an impossible thing for scum!you to do?

And that therefore proves the rule? False dissonance to generate townreads upon us? As opposed to "Well yes there is a disagreement on reads, but we will resolve this between us and act accordingly"

Given that Momcinda has ongoing technical issues which had lead to a struggle in us being even able to communicate effectively with each other, there will be dissonance for a short while, and I am proverbially leading the charge here. Momcinda's reads are all in the thread, she has discussed none with me as yet.

-Malefleacent.

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In any case, phone issues has me unable to post until late at night buuttttt

That should be rectified soon!

Im also always V/LA on the weekends.

And its monday night. Anyway, someone tell me what i missed

Would also seem I misread a post of faes where I believed there was a Norwee read.

-Malefleacent

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Dissonance could be faked, but it would create more opportunities to become unravelled and is ultimately a bad way to play, especially for someone whom is declared by many to have the attention span of a spoon.

That I can see your awful assault upon is is based upon false dissonance and the absence of Momcinda.

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Whomever said you were a hydra?

I believe my point has been made perfectly clear, and that you have nothing else to go on. So shoo.

-Malefleacent

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That I can see your awful assault upon is is based upon false dissonance and the absence of Momcinda.

Oh, for crying out loud. Disagreeing with one read on you is not an "awful assault". Norwee doesn't know you well enough to know if fake dissonance is a good tactic

for you specifically

-- he's only thinking of it in general.

I don't know you well enough to say that either, but it doesn't seem to me that it's especially likely to get you in trouble? Like if anything it gives you more flexibility since you can ultimately come down on whichever side you like and say one head convinced the other.

-S

One clearly does not care for theatrics. A read was made, and reinforced. I simply took a hammer to that reinforcement and left the rubble as Norwee attempted to change the positions we stood.

Nobody knows how myself and Momcinda operate in a hydra pair - so yes, that cannot be read, and the dissonance is NAI.
I am known for the conviction of my reads, anyone whom has played with me will know some of my reads are incredibly hard to shift.

Now as for this read that is being disagreed with, it is my understanding that Norwee is of the mind that we are to be eliminated, as the scummiest hydra.
The reasons given, are awful. The reinforcement to those reasons, is pitiful, and the follow up is laughable.
To me, those reasons seem fairly well directed at being used against us, not as a generality.

The reasons given, as I understand them, are that our dissonance is faked, and that Momcinda is absent.

Norwee has since disengaged under guise of believing that I think he is a hydra, which I clearly know he is not given we have played together before.

His reasons are weak, his disengagement is weak.

-Male

Flea

cent.

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@mod the VC was wrong in that I'm not voting for Titus but now it's right so I guess don't change it?

Fuck this noise. Mod please ensure accurate VCs. No players should advocate for inaccurate VCs. The whole point is they are accurate.

Seconded, especially if one of us attempts to make sense of votecounts and goes vote diving.

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I find myself in agreement with Titus' T3 read as well, though I wonder if recent events have soured that meta.

-Malefleacent

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The wagon on Titus is because her hero solve was bad.

Bad in what way?

Wrong and forced

Have you played with Titus before now? This is literally screaming townTitus

er, no. the ingredients lists literally have zero impact on the game. honestly I’m confused how you can have an ingredient without a potion.. but then none of this is making much sense to me.

- lilith

The sample potionless role PM matches mine except I got poison as an ingredient instead of a stolen crate. Poison is included as an ingredient in the Harmography potion (and only the harmography potion) in the OP. That's why I thought there might be a way to combine ingredients into potions.

Personally I would consider the ingredients to be little more than flavour (Shush Datisi) - poisons have been used in restoratives for quite some time. My LARP system makes a point of the Church of Life and Church of Justice being specifically unable to use a physicians poison except when used to heal.

-Malefleacent

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IM BACK

ITS PAST MIDNIGHT SO IM NOT STICKING AROUND

BUT I HAVE A PHONE AGAIN

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OHMAIGOD

This feels so amazing. I do have a townread on norwee and I don't know what to do with it

But I'm also 20 or so pages behind BUT THATS OK

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Both posts above are ellas favorite fairy godmother

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VOTE: titus

"trying to keep the game in rvs for longer instead of doing something to get us out of it" feels like one of those reasoning that almost never works, but i'm running with it for now.

-D

You think the functionally V/LA Titus is the one to push over avoiding thread progression?

Hmm...

This interaction with datisi is noted, given that Titus' original read on us is thread avoidance even after hydra rep in when we're avoiding posting after the hydra rep in has been announced even though its been > 12 hours since it was announced and I'm ALWAYS noted to hardly ever be around on weekends. Titus has played with me enough recently to know that.

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

i find that being weird can actually garner town reads sometimes. and, i think weirdness is more of a personality thing than something someone does as a strategy.

meta can be good.

Dwlee seemed like a very efficient robot as scum in the last game we had.

oh. i've never played with scum dwlee.

All of these lines of interaction seem to me like they're aimed at going no where. You've got the noncommital question about a 'townslip' that has already been called out (It wasn't a townslip, btw, it was a question scumNorwee could also have had), a "That's NAI.", generic comments about nothing (meta can be good), and a nothingburger response to Norwee's meta. Also, the mechstuff, even if prompted.

It feels more like she wants to be seen as doing something more than actually wanting to do something.

Whole heartedly disagree with this.

Why does this give you that vibe?

s_s, we would never. :3

anyway, VOTE: norwee. 183 feels like an extremely overblown response to s_s saying "btw, 8 isn't a townslip". trying really hard / having an agenda to make sure norwee isn't townread? by saying that one (1) page 1 post isn't a townslip? come on.

-D

ALL LIES

LIES I SAY

Up to page 10 and uhh..
I hate to say norwee vs green bois looks TvT but...

It looks TvT

-Momcinda

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momrangal is replaced by Fairy Circle (hydra of momrangal & flea the magician)

Time stamp of 12 in the after noon

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

Time stamp of 5 in the afternoon

In Hawaii thats 7 in the morning and 12 in the afternoon on a Monday respectively

Keeping this in mind for later

I don't explicitly agree with my partner on Titus. I do agree this looks like town her, but I feel like its more a copy of her town game than what is actually her town game.

Being busy over the weekend herself, i don't get why she believes that others are just as busy over the weekend, and why she assumed we are avoiding the thread after a lapse time of

5 hours

Historically, I've been a pretty massive threat to scum as town and if she's scum here and scum have limited pain potions, its a pretty effectivr way to eliminate someone before they can have thread presence.

I also dont feel a big push from her from the last few pages of this game, and i feel like if she actually beleived this read, she would push it especially with malifleacent "pocketing" her as would be the events happening in her mind.

Titus pushing T3 is also crazy as all fuck

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Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Twin brother?

That's cool. I have my own thoughts on their off threas discussion of the game

Does Flea The Magician have an alignment preference?

I don't remember this but I imagine the hydra doesn't like scum collectively.

I don't want to eliminate them on D1 even if they're scum tho. <3

I would recommend reading post 1 before you continue claiming that bingle has scumclaimed.

I have read it and I still think that Bingle is scumclaiming for a very specific reason that I shall not elaborate on until Bingle elaborates on the details of his role PM.

That said even if he didn't scumclaim I'd be voting him here anyway because I legit think that Bingle's just scum here.

I refuse to sit cozily in anyone's pocket!

In any case of the matter, saying I dislike scum is like saying a frat boi hates alcohol because they are being forced to drink with his brothers during the weekday, after coming off a party the past weekend and another coming up the next and oh yeah! Said brother has a project due!

Why do you think bingle is scum, slip aside. What are your thoughts on the 1v1s that have already happened at this point?

Between emperor and ta vera?

Between norwee and datisi?

I find it hard to beleive you didnt come away with a read on any of those 4 mentioned

Uh

Gaize

Im still here, i just fused with Flea!

Hello new person who is definitely not mom. I’d give you a summary and talk, but it’s 4 AM and I should probably get *some* sleep. Emperor/ta Vera/GCB probably most valuable Isis, or you could cheat with mastina’s catch-up.

Isis? Where?

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

someone's still traumatized?

-D

N-no

Defintely not.

I definitely am not impacted by the sweet nothings you whispered in my ear during our time as neighbors


Up to page 20.

Not gonna dig too deep with mechanics myself but I think bingle has a solid idea, I dont get the sr on them.

Missing mastina a bit here.

Onwards to the present!

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I will return to morrow, and catch up on the mountainous 13 pages I gotta read <3

-Malefleacent.

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Gonna attempt to finish my catch up, gonna throw mastina a bone here.

for now

VOTE: bingle

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Where I stand

LOCK TOWN never touch

Norwee
Mastina
Emperor

town. May or May not be fading

Ta Vera
Dweelee*
T3*
Green caps

STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA

Titus

left

Boongle

*conditional read, moves up with the nontouchables with a Titus red flip

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Wait

Where is RCE actually in this game? They aren't in the plist?

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Blindassociativesbad

So you have two people you think are evil?

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I got pulled away for shit and is getting lunch prepped now

But yes, I have two in my PoE. There's 11 players, so we might not even have 3 scum anyway.

Also norwee

Short version, you very clearly had an agenda in mizzys normal, and the way you approach people there who pushed you and how you pushing people and scum reading people here are starkly different.

Also youre totally genuine

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Oh

Well im pretty sure thays the 5th 4vote so doesn't matter

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Its lunch time

I have two demanding kids

A demanding husband and I don't know how many times o hsbe to say my ability to stay engaged is hopeful at best

But im at 5 votes so peace

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If anyone touches my top tier, ill be pissed

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don't know how many times o hsbe to say my ability to stay engaged is hopeful at best

Over the wrekend

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I'm opening this phone post with a VOTE: T3 because apparently he fails to understand that I am not Mom and Mom is not I.

Between myself and Mom we have essentially veto'd voting for Titus and Norwee as these are our most conflicting reads.

I do have thoughts on bingle and TLDNE. But I am on a phone
It's also 10am here.
(For the record, Mom is in Hawaii and I'm in the UK, coordination is hard :p when we're 11 hours apart.)

My meds are still lightly screwing me (I genuinely hate antibiotics) but I will be coming in with my full draconic might behind me once my shopping arrives and I have coffee.


As we are at E-1 with a looming deadline, I will claim our potions.
We have 2 pain, and 1 doctor.
-Malefleacent

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That I understand the reasoning on us being scum is incrediy weak. So I suggest looking at our voters should we fall.

-Malefleacent

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We have 2 pain, and 1 doctor.

Is that potion distribution more likely to come from town or scum?
(Assuming it’s legitimate)

Statisically it's more likely to be a scum distribution.

Also godsdangit mom sign your posts! now I see where the confusion was...

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Not quite, we can only use one per night.
So more a N2 vigilante we lock in on N1.

-Malefleacent

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ok so with our replace in, we apparently replaced in Monday, Titus commented on it my time at around midnight, and I wasn't even aware the sub had gone through, I logged in on wednesday to find Mom prodding me, reminding me that we were in the game. (Game wasn't up when I checked it saturday night, and that sunday I was shooting arrows at people)

As for the weekend just gone, antibiotics absolutely blow and I'm half way through the course, but I'm a little less stunlocked by them for now.


Now Maleficent doesn't have any songs... so I need to find one I feel appropriate for her...

-Malefleacent.

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If anyone touches my top tier, ill be pissed

This is at least mildly +town, I'd say.

-S

I'm opening this phone post with a VOTE: T3 because apparently he fails to understand that I am not Mom and Mom is not I.

Between myself and Mom we have essentially veto'd voting for Titus and Norwee as these are our most conflicting reads.

I do have thoughts on bingle and TLDNE. But I am on a phone
It's also 10am here.
(For the record, Mom is in Hawaii and I'm in the UK, coordination is hard :p when we're 11 hours apart.)

My meds are still lightly screwing me (I genuinely hate antibiotics) but I will be coming in with my full draconic might behind me once my shopping arrives and I have coffee.


As we are at E-1 with a looming deadline, I will claim our potions.
We have 2 pain, and 1 doctor.
-Malefleacent

You're voting me for confusing you with Mom? And why exactly, is this scummy?

Your are voting based on my activity in your post that votes for us. We have clearly said how far behind each of us are, I am 13 pages, Momcinda was 20.
Your vote is based on catching up 13 pages to gain nothing on bingle, you've voted Mom based on me.

Its opportunistic and scummy as all hell. It stinks of "Well you can't fault the reasons I have voted..." when we flip green.

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Fairy Circle who is your strongest scumread and why?

I still need to catchup, for now use momcinda's reads.

-Malefleacent, and above.

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Diggy diggy hole.

Yes we're a hydra, yes you read this slot based on the content of both heads, yes our potion layout is more likely to come from scum, I did some working out long before your did. Yes I have accepted we're going down.

Your vote post stated things that were explicitly aimed at one heads catchup but accused the other head.

Statistically, yes we are more likely to be scum. However. It is not impossible for town to have this loadout.

We've been given statistics and I will go pull my post for oyu.

-Malefleacent.

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Sometimes it easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
I will do neither.


8 town, 3 mafia.

Approximately 11 pain potions.
Mafia have additional 1.2 pain potions approximately, giving them an average of 4 pain potions. This could be more, this could be less. This accounts for 2 kills over 4 days.

That is a total of 12-13 HP damage assuming that each potion deals a single point of damage.
11 players, that will create approximately 6 kills in this game assuming all pain potions are able to be used.

As learned from Yggdrasil, town can and will use their abilities and will not hold them.
As learned from Yggdrasil, mafia do not have the option of an outright kill, forcing them to use their potions.
I will not say what I consider their optimal potion play to be. I don't want to give them ideas.

As for optimal day play, they are required to absolutely stir the pot more than the King and Queen did when they invited the other courts, but not myself to their little celebration.

-Malefleacent.

Et voila.

The potion pool has an absolute minimum of 11 pain potions due to the possibility of each person having on average 1 pain potion. Mafia as individuals have an additional 0.4 each chance giving them the average pain pot each of 1.4. This means it's safe to assume there is an absolute minimum of 11 pain potions and I'd say, as I have above, there's the potential for 12-13 pain potions.

Us having two, means someone doesn't have a potion. There is a chance is this a mafia member.
The fun thing about this game is that you can gauge probability all you want, but it can, and will, shoot you in the foot.

It's possible for some to end up with 3 pain pots, and for others to have none.
You cannot solve this game using probability. You can only look at potential balance.

[Fairy Circle]

Maths is far from my strongest suit, to put it bluntly, I don't have a completed high school maths certification, I have an adults catch up basic maths certification.

I could look at it more later, but annoyingly I've been informed the DnD game I'd have ronight is now in person, and I need to haul my ass out.

[Fairy Circle]

Dungeons delved, no dragons found, but my character did find the next victim of his tribal customers, much to the Inquisitor Scourge Aasimar Paladin's dismay. What happened the first time she saw this wasn't pretty.

T3 still shonky. Green caps are green imo, Still dislike Norwee.

Going back to my catchup.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

The team is actually highly likely {bingle, titus, RCE} and I've been spending what time I have trying to convince faer of that.

Bingle, T3, and RCE are the three who reacted most strongly to my thinking there was two scum.

T3 is going harder rhen either of them which means he would be in the worst position for his attack on me and the slip while Bingle ane RCE are just going "yeah that"

Bingles push against dweelee and reasons for him caring about dweelee shooting titus is wonky because nobody (i think) has pledged support to his pain potion usage at night.

Titus defense of us is weird considering we are still in her PoE and she is angling to line up the eliminations of both our slot and T3.

With that in mind, her attack on T3 is janky as all fuck because as town, jn the past 2 games, she was ghe biggest defender of T3 and made it known that T3 is highly likely ever going to only be a policy lim.

T3 hasnt acted too different from this game than he has in any other game so there isnt a reason for Titus to SR him.

The green bois could be scum but idk. They are only scum if one in my solve is wrong. They've had a good enough presence but the "one on the team push, the other WKs push" isn't that uncommon of a tactic.

RCE:

"Yeah thats a fake slip. Votes fairies"

Me: oh I think I'm hammered. Glhv, this is where we should focus on

Rce: ??? You disappeared yo so...

Me: yeah I said i was busy, still am

RCE: them saying why they arent here and not saying anything makes them scum

[Fairy Circle]

Like how you just tired to chain us and t3?

[Fairy Circle]

Not to mention you havent touched us since we've both been more active.

Usually youre all over me, especially as town

[Fairy Circle]

VOTE: unvote

[Fairy Circle]

All unsigned posts are ditsy momcinda

[Fairy Circle]

15 pages, 15 spoilers, lets go.

Spoiler: I'm the fly in your soup

The wagon on Titus is because her hero solve was bad.

Bad in what way?

Wrong and forced

Do those both equal scum?

Are you not thinking about the how? How is it wrong, and where does it sound forced?

Ta Vera is starting to feel like that scumslot who efforts early game but then gradually get’s bored and then you realize in their abscence that they were never all that townie.

It isn't an uncommon trope for scum in games to start strong with vigor and then peter out before being eventually replaced, and ta vera fits that archetype. I could see it.

"I agree."
Much simpler.

townbloc: T3, Norwee, Emp, GCB

Ok, i’m fine with it for now.

I have issues with T3 in there but the latter 3 are fine users of the Force

Wagon purity reads are mostly bunk.

-R

Agree. Even if all 4 on that wagon were town, it doesn't make the receiver much more likely to be scum imo

VCA
BAD

Why is VCA Bad?

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

You're in too deep Titus.

sRCE is townish for this.

Well you two just gained buddy points.

Is this a lillith post or an SS post?

Lilith. I rarely forget to sign (and I believe I almost always notice it when I do).

Also hi!

-S

Me and Mom seem to be the same, think it's safe to say unsigned are likely to be her, unless they're clearly me.

Spoiler: I'm the pebble in your shoe

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

You're reading way too deep into that.

So you're claiming you're just inconsiderate. That's not 100% automatically scum. You know full well I use VCA and that's a method of resetting bad reads. The fact you wanted altered data that would show your vote as elsewhere is scummy. Your reaction here also treats me as if I am town.

Counterpoint: The VCA could clear him is town. T3 would want the VCA then.

Counterpoint of Counterpoint: T3 would not want the VCA as scum.

Neutral: T3 may legit think VCA sucks. This would be town T3.

I like this response.

I don't really care about your solve. Sure Dwlee could be scum, whatever. But you are voting me.

Would your hero solve change if you knew i was town?

'
As in do you think all those slots are scummy or do you just see that all of them have the perfect associations and thus make perfect sense as the exact scum team?

Bolding mine. What the hell kind of question is this? Last I knew you were in that solve, why wouldn't you be in it?

And why vote me first?

*ahemahemahem* Why me fry me!

2 minutes and still no response. Guys kills this frozen obvscum they are hiding in scum PT and crying omg.

This overreaction is disgusting.

Spoiler: I'm the pea beneath your bed

I've interacted with people about your slot. I've asked people to wagon with me and answered questions RC asked. I'm not trying to hyper post rampage unless I'm being talked to.

Did we interact? I can't remember...

I’d appreciate it if Datisi or Emperor could chime in what their opinion is, and i’ll take it into account.

It's honestly very similar to your reaction to the whole townslip debacle early game

>Player A points out Player X is town for reason
>Player B disagrees with said reason, but does not call Player X scum for it
>Player X is outraged and scumreads Player B for this

Contrary to your situation, Flea's overreaction is pretty scummy for them imo, I don't have a picture of them in my head as someone to react harshly like that to this kind of situation (and no offense, Norwegian - you're just

passionate

)

Now as for this read that is being disagreed with, it is my understanding that Norwee is of the mind that we are to be eliminated, as the scummiest hydra.

I don't think Norwegian was expressing Fairy Circle needed eliminating by shooting down reasoning for a townread

Anyway i do not wish to fight you on this. I’ve stated my point and i believe it is logical and just. You may disagree but i’m not discussing it anymore.

Norwee has since disengaged under guise of believing that I think he is a hydra, which I clearly know he is not given we have played together before.

This is also a very strange interpretation of the post above it. Looks to me that the Boy didn't wanna argue about the validity of the townread, not due the fact that Fairy Circle implied he was a hydra. Weird framing of it

My overreaction?
I overreacted?
o.o
where?

Spoiler: I'm a bump on every head

Also, I'm retracting the mastina townread, I was probably too trigger happy with it, given mastina hasn't actually elaborated on her reasoning yet and I shouldn't just townread conviction alone without underlying reasons

"I have too many suspects... eh lets have another."

The difference VCA creates is negligible.

To you maybe, I find them useful and they help create thought pathways. Just because a tool isn't good for you, doesn't mean it's not good for anyone else.

Meta is bad, unless it's used correctly, for example.

812: I'm asking what your read on Titus is in relation to the VCA thing, since I don't see much purpose for those posts otherwise

Oh.
Titus is trying to twist my words into a narrative of T3 is scared scum trying to mess up the VC.

VCs should always be accurate. Always.
Hell I went back and fixed every VC since mastina's missed vote in CTC1

momrangal is replaced by Fairy Circle (hydra of momrangal & flea the magician)

Time stamp of 12 in the after noon

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

Time stamp of 5 in the afternoon

In Hawaii thats 7 in the morning and 12 in the afternoon on a Monday respectively

Keeping this in mind for later

I don't explicitly agree with my partner on Titus. I do agree this looks like town her, but I feel like its more a copy of her town game than what is actually her town game.

Being busy over the weekend herself, i don't get why she believes that others are just as busy over the weekend, and why she assumed we are avoiding the thread after a lapse time of

5 hours

Historically, I've been a pretty massive threat to scum as town and if she's scum here and scum have limited pain potions, its a pretty effectivr way to eliminate someone before they can have thread presence.

I also dont feel a big push from her from the last few pages of this game, and i feel like if she actually beleived this read, she would push it especially with malifleacent "pocketing" her as would be the events happening in her mind.

Titus pushing T3 is also crazy as all fuck

Funny thing is this was around 6pm and 11pm my time. I checked the hydra account at around 1pm to see if we'd been repped in, then thought maybe I'm too keen and should let mom let me know when we start. This is my bad, honestly.

Also hydra with 11 hours difference between heads lol

Spoiler: I'm the peel on which you slip

The part where Momrangal asks mastina what reads she has give me bad vibes but nothing to vote over.

Almost like we're veto'd on our strongest reads at the moment. Which is frustrating, ngl

Titus is twisting my awkward attempt at a joke into literally saying that I was scum deliberately messing up the VC because I was

afraid VCA would catch me

.

Almost like you doubled and tripled down on it...

Oops that was meant to be posted with this.

I'm used to you being quite confident in your opening reads

You literally just saw me have a towngame where I had this exact same issue, so I'm calling bullshit on this.

Furthermore, you literally just saw my scumgame and know full well how much this game is not the same as that game was.

Those two games and the contrast between them were one of the reasons I said of all the players in this game you should have the least issue being able to tell that this isn't my scumgame and that I am town. You saw how lackluster my scumgame is and you've seen how this is my towngame so you shouldn't have suspicion on me at all. That you do is, frankly: suspicious.

That was the exact reason I'm not looking to yeet you.
I have seen and noted the shift in both alignments, doesn't stop me getting cautious and just keeping a closer eye on you. fwiw you jumped up my list recently because you have shown your town game, I'm not locktowning you, because I got bit by that before, but for now I'm happy with you being town.

Spoiler: I'm a pin in every hip

SS is my best fos

For the record my hero-solve is {Bingle, Fairy Circle, The Limit Does Not Exist}.

I demand worship if that's the exact scumteam;
I demand respect if 2/3 are scum;
I still expect credit if at least 1/3 is scum.

I'll respect you anyway, I am seeing your Bingle points, hoping someone poked you about TLDNE.

Spoiler: I'm the thorn in your side

Bingle, Fairy Circle, The Limit Does Not Exist

That seems decent, but what do you make of RCE? He’s one of those slots i’m still uncertain about.
I do agree there is prob scum in the hydras.
Maybe Flea hydra is just scum and their overreaction to me calling out their hydra dissonance is not especially town indicative was Flea hurriedly trying to shade my slot in order to save their ass.

You're honestly not far off lockscum to me and it's only mom's veto that's saving you.

Where did I overreact?

Contrary to your situation, Flea's overreaction is pretty scummy for them imo, I don't have a picture of them in my head as someone to react harshly like that to this kind of situation (and no offense, Norwegian - you're just passionate)

Why does it feel like i’m your new apprentice and you’re telling me to use my anger and hate to grow stronger with the dark side.

Because you're both Scums.

If i was bussing i would keep going until they were dead and declare myself conf!town. Not some half hearted BS.

Diggy diggy hole.

But I didn't say she doesn't bus. I said picking three names and none being scum would be scum!indicative for Titus.

Random dwlee post... I have a concern in general about Dwlee... I ALWAYS scum read them. I'm not scum reading them... eep.

Mastina put in a lot of effort into this and i woyld do them dirty if i didn’t sheep them here. Especially with how much of an difficulty they had in killing me last game.
VOTE: Bingle
Like i said though, my sus slots are Bingle, Fairy Circle, RCE.

Thats a lot of text for "Baaaa."

Spoiler: Makes you wriggle and writhe

seems like both retti and i are operating in "i don't feel like doing this, my hydra partner will probably post something" mode. uh real talk, something about this game makes it exhausting to sit through - i've been skimming along but nothing is naturally coming to me. i'm forcing myself to sit down and properly read, woo.

-D

I feel this in my soul. But I am tired...

Have you played with Titus before now? This is literally screaming townTitus

how is this game *screaming* town!titus? i can see a townlean because she does vaguely remind me of some towngames, but i feel like "titus is doing something" isn't a good basis to read her on, so i'd like to hear why you think she's obvtown here (also for my own and everyone else's sanity, i am ignoring the second part of this post)

for the record i really disliked the "t3 is scum because trying to fuck with vca" but i can kinda see it coming from town!titus so whatever.

-D

Titus is the Moonwalker for a reason. The moonlogic is real. Titus genuinely feels completely town here to me. Shes making the reads, she's prodding and poking as I expect from town titus. Mom is in disagreement in that it feels like titus copying titus town, but eh.

On page 38 of 45 I think it was?

More later. I gotta sleep.

[Fairy Circle]

My yeet pool is TLDNE, Bingle, The Emperor

This and above is Malefleacent.

ftr Titus and Norwee are our veto reads rn. (we cannot read them in sync at all :/)

[Fairy Circle]

I PUT AN OBEDIENCE SPELL ON FAER

fae hates it, butbutbut

VOTE: titus

Whenever

-evil momcinda

[Fairy Circle]

fairy dumbtelling rubbed me wrong and pushed me to throw a vote down and see where it goes. spending more time explaining why they arent posting instead of posting doesnt sway me away from the wagon.

That's not what this implies.

What of my catch up posts are "sittingback"

Unless your talking about the week where it was explained I was having phone issues (and have not posted in my other existing game at the time)

[Fairy Circle]

IM BACK

ITS PAST MIDNIGHT SO IM NOT STICKING AROUND

BUT I HAVE A PHONE AGAIN

OHMAIGOD

This feels so amazing. I do have a townread on norwee and I don't know what to do with it

But I'm also 20 or so pages behind BUT THATS OK

Both posts above are ellas favorite fairy godmother

VOTE: titus

"trying to keep the game in rvs for longer instead of doing something to get us out of it" feels like one of those reasoning that almost never works, but i'm running with it for now.

-D

You think the functionally V/LA Titus is the one to push over avoiding thread progression?

Hmm...

This interaction with datisi is noted, given that Titus' original read on us is thread avoidance even after hydra rep in when we're avoiding posting after the hydra rep in has been announced even though its been > 12 hours since it was announced and I'm ALWAYS noted to hardly ever be around on weekends. Titus has played with me enough recently to know that.

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

i find that being weird can actually garner town reads sometimes. and, i think weirdness is more of a personality thing than something someone does as a strategy.

meta can be good.

Dwlee seemed like a very efficient robot as scum in the last game we had.

oh. i've never played with scum dwlee.

All of these lines of interaction seem to me like they're aimed at going no where. You've got the noncommital question about a 'townslip' that has already been called out (It wasn't a townslip, btw, it was a question scumNorwee could also have had), a "That's NAI.", generic comments about nothing (meta can be good), and a nothingburger response to Norwee's meta. Also, the mechstuff, even if prompted.

It feels more like she wants to be seen as doing something more than actually wanting to do something.

Whole heartedly disagree with this.

Why does this give you that vibe?

s_s, we would never. :3

anyway, VOTE: norwee. 183 feels like an extremely overblown response to s_s saying "btw, 8 isn't a townslip". trying really hard / having an agenda to make sure norwee isn't townread? by saying that one (1) page 1 post isn't a townslip? come on.

-D

ALL LIES

LIES I SAY

Up to page 10 and uhh..
I hate to say norwee vs green bois looks TvT but...

It looks TvT

-Momcinda

momrangal is replaced by Fairy Circle (hydra of momrangal & flea the magician)

Time stamp of 12 in the after noon

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

Time stamp of 5 in the afternoon

In Hawaii thats 7 in the morning and 12 in the afternoon on a Monday respectively

Keeping this in mind for later

I don't explicitly agree with my partner on Titus. I do agree this looks like town her, but I feel like its more a copy of her town game than what is actually her town game.

Being busy over the weekend herself, i don't get why she believes that others are just as busy over the weekend, and why she assumed we are avoiding the thread after a lapse time of

5 hours

Historically, I've been a pretty massive threat to scum as town and if she's scum here and scum have limited pain potions, its a pretty effectivr way to eliminate someone before they can have thread presence.

I also dont feel a big push from her from the last few pages of this game, and i feel like if she actually beleived this read, she would push it especially with malifleacent "pocketing" her as would be the events happening in her mind.

Titus pushing T3 is also crazy as all fuck

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Twin brother?

That's cool. I have my own thoughts on their off threas discussion of the game

Does Flea The Magician have an alignment preference?

I don't remember this but I imagine the hydra doesn't like scum collectively.

I don't want to eliminate them on D1 even if they're scum tho. <3

I would recommend reading post 1 before you continue claiming that bingle has scumclaimed.

I have read it and I still think that Bingle is scumclaiming for a very specific reason that I shall not elaborate on until Bingle elaborates on the details of his role PM.

That said even if he didn't scumclaim I'd be voting him here anyway because I legit think that Bingle's just scum here.

I refuse to sit cozily in anyone's pocket!

In any case of the matter, saying I dislike scum is like saying a frat boi hates alcohol because they are being forced to drink with his brothers during the weekday, after coming off a party the past weekend and another coming up the next and oh yeah! Said brother has a project due!

Why do you think bingle is scum, slip aside. What are your thoughts on the 1v1s that have already happened at this point?

Between emperor and ta vera?

Between norwee and datisi?

I find it hard to beleive you didnt come away with a read on any of those 4 mentioned

Uh

Gaize

Im still here, i just fused with Flea!

Hello new person who is definitely not mom. I’d give you a summary and talk, but it’s 4 AM and I should probably get *some* sleep. Emperor/ta Vera/GCB probably most valuable Isis, or you could cheat with mastina’s catch-up.

Isis? Where?

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

someone's still traumatized?

-D

N-no

Defintely not.

I definitely am not impacted by the sweet nothings you whispered in my ear during our time as neighbors


Up to page 20.

Not gonna dig too deep with mechanics myself but I think bingle has a solid idea, I dont get the sr on them.

Missing mastina a bit here.

Onwards to the present!

yeeting by math is a horrible idea. fairy might be scum anyway but "they're 2.54% more likely to have that potion distribution as scum" is a bad

rce, why are you voting fairy again? nobody has provided me a tldr yet

-D

????

[Fairy Circle]

There is no elimination acceptablr outside

{Bingle, Titus, RCE}

emperor is still highly likely town

[Fairy Circle]

, Bingle ----> Titus ----> RCE -----> green bois ----> limit

There literally should not be eliminations or. Kills outsode of that

Gonna try and get on later, but that's the game winning order

[Fairy Circle]

Also

Ftr

RCE just got caught up in a lie

-momcinda

[Fairy Circle]

momrangal is replaced by Fairy Circle (hydra of momrangal & flea the magician)

Time stamp of 12 in the after noon

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

Time stamp of 5 in the afternoon

In Hawaii thats 7 in the morning and 12 in the afternoon on a Monday respectively

Keeping this in mind for later

I don't explicitly agree with my partner on Titus. I do agree this looks like town her, but I feel like its more a copy of her town game than what is actually her town game.

Being busy over the weekend herself, i don't get why she believes that others are just as busy over the weekend, and why she assumed we are avoiding the thread after a lapse time of

5 hours

Historically, I've been a pretty massive threat to scum as town and if she's scum here and scum have limited pain potions, its a pretty effectivr way to eliminate someone before they can have thread presence.

I also dont feel a big push from her from the last few pages of this game, and i feel like if she actually beleived this read, she would push it especially with malifleacent "pocketing" her as would be the events happening in her mind.

Titus pushing T3 is also crazy as all fuck

How about this

[Fairy Circle]

Titus defense of us is weird considering we are still in her PoE and she is angling to line up the eliminations of both our slot and T3.

With that in mind, her attack on T3 is janky as all fuck because as town, jn the past 2 games, she was ghe biggest defender of T3 and made it known that T3 is highly likely ever going to only be a policy lim.

T3 hasnt acted too different from this game than he has in any other game so there isnt a reason for Titus to SR him.

Also this

[Fairy Circle]

momcinda also says

Titus' early game approach is scum driven because she says so

[Fairy Circle]

Also

Ftr

RCE just got caught up in a lie

-momcinda

what lie?

- lilith

The team is actually highly likely {bingle, titus, RCE} and I've been spending what time I have trying to convince faer of that.

Bingle, T3, and RCE are the three who reacted most strongly to my thinking there was two scum.

T3 is going harder rhen either of them which means he would be in the worst position for his attack on me and the slip while Bingle ane RCE are just going "yeah that"

Bingles push against dweelee and reasons for him caring about dweelee shooting titus is wonky because nobody (i think) has pledged support to his pain potion usage at night.

Titus defense of us is weird considering we are still in her PoE and she is angling to line up the eliminations of both our slot and T3.

With that in mind, her attack on T3 is janky as all fuck because as town, jn the past 2 games, she was ghe biggest defender of T3 and made it known that T3 is highly likely ever going to only be a policy lim.

T3 hasnt acted too different from this game than he has in any other game so there isnt a reason for Titus to SR him.

The green bois could be scum but idk. They are only scum if one in my solve is wrong. They've had a good enough presence but the "one on the team push, the other WKs push" isn't that uncommon of a tactic.

RCE:

"Yeah thats a fake slip. Votes fairies"

Me: oh I think I'm hammered. Glhv, this is where we should focus on

Rce: ??? You disappeared yo so...

Me: yeah I said i was busy, still am

RCE: them saying why they arent here and not saying anything makes them scum

My phone is dying but the lie stems from his response to this post

[Fairy Circle]

RCE:

"Yeah thats a fake slip. Votes fairies"

Me: oh I think I'm hammered. Glhv, this is where we should focus on

Rce: ??? You disappeared yo so...

Me: yeah I said i was busy, still am

RCE: them saying why they arent here and not saying anything makes them scum

I told datisi you're scumread for the lack of involvement and the slip being garbage and leaving the thread in limbo doesn't change that. Not the other way around.

fairy dumbtelling rubbed me wrong and pushed me to throw a vote down and see where it goes. spending more time explaining why they arent posting instead of posting doesnt sway me away from the wagon.

That's not what this implies.

What of my catch up posts are "sittingback"

Unless your talking about the week where it was explained I was having phone issues (and have not posted in my other existing game at the time)

fairy dumbtelling rubbed me wrong and pushed me to throw a vote down and see where it goes. spending more time explaining why they arent posting instead of posting doesnt sway me away from the wagon.

That's not what this implies.

What of my catch up posts are "sittingback"

Unless your talking about the week where it was explained I was having phone issues (and have not posted in my other existing game at the time)

I wasn't even in the game then, and also skipped a bunch of pages (I assume where most of your content is). I only saw the spat with norwee over whether you were a hydra or he was a hydra....or something.

Your cat h up is after datisi asked my vote reasoning so I don't see what you're getting at.

IM BACK

ITS PAST MIDNIGHT SO IM NOT STICKING AROUND

BUT I HAVE A PHONE AGAIN

OHMAIGOD

This feels so amazing. I do have a townread on norwee and I don't know what to do with it

But I'm also 20 or so pages behind BUT THATS OK

Both posts above are ellas favorite fairy godmother

VOTE: titus

"trying to keep the game in rvs for longer instead of doing something to get us out of it" feels like one of those reasoning that almost never works, but i'm running with it for now.

-D

You think the functionally V/LA Titus is the one to push over avoiding thread progression?

Hmm...

This interaction with datisi is noted, given that Titus' original read on us is thread avoidance even after hydra rep in when we're avoiding posting after the hydra rep in has been announced even though its been > 12 hours since it was announced and I'm ALWAYS noted to hardly ever be around on weekends. Titus has played with me enough recently to know that.

Do mafia have a nightkill or do they just toss poison at people.

the obvious question here is: is this a real townslip?

i find that being weird can actually garner town reads sometimes. and, i think weirdness is more of a personality thing than something someone does as a strategy.

meta can be good.

Dwlee seemed like a very efficient robot as scum in the last game we had.

oh. i've never played with scum dwlee.

All of these lines of interaction seem to me like they're aimed at going no where. You've got the noncommital question about a 'townslip' that has already been called out (It wasn't a townslip, btw, it was a question scumNorwee could also have had), a "That's NAI.", generic comments about nothing (meta can be good), and a nothingburger response to Norwee's meta. Also, the mechstuff, even if prompted.

It feels more like she wants to be seen as doing something more than actually wanting to do something.

Whole heartedly disagree with this.

Why does this give you that vibe?

s_s, we would never. :3

anyway, VOTE: norwee. 183 feels like an extremely overblown response to s_s saying "btw, 8 isn't a townslip". trying really hard / having an agenda to make sure norwee isn't townread? by saying that one (1) page 1 post isn't a townslip? come on.

-D

ALL LIES

LIES I SAY

Up to page 10 and uhh..
I hate to say norwee vs green bois looks TvT but...

It looks TvT

-Momcinda

momrangal is replaced by Fairy Circle (hydra of momrangal & flea the magician)

Time stamp of 12 in the after noon

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

Time stamp of 5 in the afternoon

In Hawaii thats 7 in the morning and 12 in the afternoon on a Monday respectively

Keeping this in mind for later

I don't explicitly agree with my partner on Titus. I do agree this looks like town her, but I feel like its more a copy of her town game than what is actually her town game.

Being busy over the weekend herself, i don't get why she believes that others are just as busy over the weekend, and why she assumed we are avoiding the thread after a lapse time of

5 hours

Historically, I've been a pretty massive threat to scum as town and if she's scum here and scum have limited pain potions, its a pretty effectivr way to eliminate someone before they can have thread presence.

I also dont feel a big push from her from the last few pages of this game, and i feel like if she actually beleived this read, she would push it especially with malifleacent "pocketing" her as would be the events happening in her mind.

Titus pushing T3 is also crazy as all fuck

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Twin brother?

That's cool. I have my own thoughts on their off threas discussion of the game

Does Flea The Magician have an alignment preference?

I don't remember this but I imagine the hydra doesn't like scum collectively.

I don't want to eliminate them on D1 even if they're scum tho. <3

I would recommend reading post 1 before you continue claiming that bingle has scumclaimed.

I have read it and I still think that Bingle is scumclaiming for a very specific reason that I shall not elaborate on until Bingle elaborates on the details of his role PM.

That said even if he didn't scumclaim I'd be voting him here anyway because I legit think that Bingle's just scum here.

I refuse to sit cozily in anyone's pocket!

In any case of the matter, saying I dislike scum is like saying a frat boi hates alcohol because they are being forced to drink with his brothers during the weekday, after coming off a party the past weekend and another coming up the next and oh yeah! Said brother has a project due!

Why do you think bingle is scum, slip aside. What are your thoughts on the 1v1s that have already happened at this point?

Between emperor and ta vera?

Between norwee and datisi?

I find it hard to beleive you didnt come away with a read on any of those 4 mentioned

Uh

Gaize

Im still here, i just fused with Flea!

Hello new person who is definitely not mom. I’d give you a summary and talk, but it’s 4 AM and I should probably get *some* sleep. Emperor/ta Vera/GCB probably most valuable Isis, or you could cheat with mastina’s catch-up.

Isis? Where?

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

someone's still traumatized?

-D

N-no

Defintely not.

I definitely am not impacted by the sweet nothings you whispered in my ear during our time as neighbors


Up to page 20.

Not gonna dig too deep with mechanics myself but I think bingle has a solid idea, I dont get the sr on them.

Missing mastina a bit here.

Onwards to the present!

yeeting by math is a horrible idea. fairy might be scum anyway but "they're 2.54% more likely to have that potion distribution as scum" is a bad

rce, why are you voting fairy again? nobody has provided me a tldr yet

-D

????

@lilith

[Fairy Circle]

She's had multiple opportunities to back down from her "herosolve" which was recieved very badly, yet stubbornly stands by it

What's the scum-motivation?

Backing away from this looks bad

[Fairy Circle]

In any case, we are probably gone

mastina& Norwee

After both of you are finished eating hats when I flip, you both will become my ellas and elimimate within my Lin order

[Fairy Circle]

That is not how Titus towns tho

She can't back away from her solvr

[Fairy Circle]

Especially in the light of being under pressure

[Fairy Circle]

Also

I do mean when I flip

Unless all of town can get behind bingle, titus, or RCE, their elims arentikely to happen because scum won't want it to

[Fairy Circle]

Look at the resistance bingle got

Look at the resistance Titus has.

I imagine limit wont be to difficult to get to 5 votes unless called out on it

Just some food for thought

[Fairy Circle]

VCA generally can't say with near-certainty that a player is scum, meta can.

Meta means jack.

You cannot meta read me because I am aware of my meta and I happily and actively screw with my meta.
Not only that, I am NEVER out of my scumrange.

Meta is only good if you know how and when to use it.
VCA is only good if you know to use and read it.

I much prefer VCA to meta as my tool simply because I know how to shaft a scumrange.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

Also goddamnit spelling me while I'm falling asleep....

My solve for when we're yeet stands at Emperor, Norwee and Bingle currently.

[Fairy Circle]

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

Spoiler: And it's so easy when you're evil

i'm having coffee and i'm listening to chill music and you cANNOT MAKE ME

-D

*chefs kiss*

coffee sus

lockscum forever.

TLDNE is really just a PoE scumread. RCE's last game was Flavor Leaf vs. Hectic so his meta may have changed a lot. I'll see.

Meta me ya coward, I double dog dare ya
All my alts and hydras are known and on my wiki >:)

Spoiler: This is the life, you see

Also I think that Bingle is > Rand town for having no potions.

Almost like T3s BS probabilty case on us is BS and T3 is scum. Especially since...

Fairy is leantown for the defense of Titus.

t3 im pulling out UNVOTE:

VOTE: dwlee

My eyebrow just left the building. brb.

Spoiler: The Devil tips his hat to me

Does anyone actually townread Fairy Circle?

We're literal PoE for the same BS reasons that are starting to annoy the tits off of me. it's taken me 5 years to grow these and a week to lose them.

I could be wrong but… wait a second why hasn’t Titus done VCA yet?
Conf!scum.

And bullshit like this is why you're scum.

Maybe VCA isn’t worth anything. But it’s not about the result, it’s about the message.

VCA only works when there's flips. Otherwise it's wagonomics.

Spoiler: I do it all because I'm evil

Serioisly though does anyone townread Fairy Circle? I feel like that could be scum indicative. As in they are not being too townie and none of their teammates would wanna openly townread them if scum here.

Nobodies even given solid reasons to scumread us either.
So in the bin you go.

Spoiler: And I do it all for free

Serioisly though does anyone townread Fairy Circle? I feel like that could be scum indicative. As in they are not being too townie and none of their teammates would wanna openly townread them if scum here.

Fairy/Titus isn't s/s, but if Titus is town then Fairy is scum.

This is some bullshit right here.
How are we scum because I'm solidly reading Titus as town?

I will return to morrow, and catch up on the mountainous 13 pages I gotta read <3

-Malefleacent.

Hey look its me.

Could be t/t actually. Just not s/s.

You are just all over the place here and it's genuinely annoying me.

You are lockscum.

Spoiler: Your tears are all the pay I'll ever need

Where I stand

LOCK TOWN never touch

Norwee
Mastina
Emperor

town. May or May not be fading

Ta Vera
Dweelee*
T3*
Green caps

STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA

Titus

left

Boongle

*conditional read, moves up with the nontouchables with a Titus red flip

VOTE: FAIRY
On further reflection, this is very scummy.
Fairy supposedly got no pings from Bingle either way in the past 13 pages and has him as a PoE scumread? And Fairy also hard scumreads Titus but then also scumreads Bingle?

Almost like... this is MOM and not FLEA.
Given the post signing off as 13 pages behind is MALEFLEACENT and this list contains "STRONG ODDS WITH FLEA" so unless I'm at stong odds with myself...

Why this is obviously fake:
1. Everyone's herosolves have been 3 players
2. One of the first lposts says: 3scum

Almost like we have adaptible reads and aren't certain. ffs.

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

Spoiler: Malefleacents reads after catchup

Code: Select all

Green Cap Boys

Titus
Mastina

{{NULLZONE}}
TLDNE

RCE

dwlee
{{NULLZONE}}

Bingle

The Emperor

T3
Norwee

[Fairy Circle]

Not until I have a reason not to.
We're being yeet at this point it looks like so I'm tryin to setup the best I can for any information gleaned from our flip to be used.
I'm also fucked off at the amount of shitty votes on us.

[Fairy Circle]

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

Classic reasons scum push town T3:
1. opportunism
2. being all over the place and inconsistent with reads
3. dunno just sounds scummy
VOTE: fairy

I just watched you as TPR.
You were chaotic, you were not opportunistic, you were reading consistently.

"OoOoOoooOO but you say meta bad"
It is. When used wrong.

-SouredFlea

[Fairy Circle]

As scum, I leave you alone. I NK you later on.
I've done it before, I'd do it again.
If I was pushing a mislim today I'd probably push on Titus a little or TLDNE - or even mastina/bingle.

-Malefleacent


pedit - you are literally trying to screw with 2 players method of finding scum. Knowing full well I will support Titus' VCA attempts and talk them over with her. You've seen the fairy vomit machine.

[Fairy Circle]

Can you two vote Titus? Thanks

Momcinda overruled my veto, we are voting titus, and she's going to flip green. And when she flips green, I'm going to go lime green and laugh at you all.

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

In ODM 2 scum and you (and one cyrus62) pushed me for opportunism.
In Yakra Marashu and Guillo pushed me for opportunism.

What was my alignment in Open Draft, T3?

What was my fate in Open Draft, T3?

Shut the door on your way out, yeah?

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

Can you give me the tl;dr?

-S

Titus blatantly lied twice, claiming me/Norwee/Dwlee were locktowning each other and then

claimed people were pushing Fairy for defending me.

Quote the bold for me please, because I don't remember seeing that.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

as in the post, not the section.

I genuinely want T3 gone so much rn.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Can you give me the tl;dr?

-S

Titus blatantly lied twice, claiming me/Norwee/Dwlee were locktowning each other and then claimed people were pushing Fairy for defending me.

That's not a lie and you know it.

VOTE: T3

I feel that Fairy is getting run up solely for defending me and I don't like it.

This.

Thats not us defending you. That's me defending Titus.
So you're lying and twisting.

Be yeet, and don't come back.

[Fairy Circle]

*casually walks in with a coffee in hand*

so, like, what's the vote count, when's the deadline, and why are we not killing the nonexistent limit?

-D

You might have to grab me feet... I'm tunnelling again...

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Then why not correct it when challenged?

-F

[Fairy Circle]

T3 is by far the better elimination here.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Everything within me screams T3 is scum.
They're misleading, twisting and manipulating so many things and are doing everything in their power to set up chain mislims.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Our wagon is scum driven, 100% at least 2 scum on there. Best thing is the reasons are weaker than pepperoni.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

*casually walks in with a coffee in hand*

so, like, what's the vote count, when's the deadline, and why are we not killing the nonexistent limit?

-D

I would love to know what you mean by “nonexistent” - we’ve both been in the thread, albeit not spamposting or wallposting. why do you take such issue with us being “nonexistent” when there are 5 other slots with

fewer

posts than us, to the point that this has now become the main focus of your recent content? It’s like you don’t have anything better to do than repeatedly push a scumread predicated only on activity

I’ve also explained why I’ve been so absent and why I couldn’t talk about it before. the timing sucks but D2 I will actually be around and mentally able to engage and read the thread. Continuing to harp on things that were out of my control - and I think understandably resulted in my lack of engagement here - isn’t a good look for you. it also feels like you’ve both stopped solving since other people started arguing. I’m not really sure why people are townreading you to begin with.. as to me this doesn’t feel all that different from potions 1 retti and datisi.

- lilith

i mean that your name is "the limit does not exist". it's called a joke. jesus fuck, aren't you desperate to shade me.

but if you wanna go that route, fine. you feel flat as fuck and for someone who's supposed to be very easy to obvtown, it's a horrible look. i don't care you had the other game where you were in f3. i don't care about who has more or fewer posts, when most of your posts were either screaming at mastina, throwing a fit at anyone looking at you for acting scummy, or s_s throwing out unmemorable comments. the way that you're latching onto things like this and spewing ate while not actually offering content to solve looks bad.

but you're free to actually offer some content and lay out how this is apparently not all that different from us last game.

-D

I thught it fun being poked at them both being missing from so many readslists...
-F

[Fairy Circle]

why is fairy voting titus? I thought they were townreading each other?

- lilith

Nope, Titus is pretty solid town to me, but Mom has her as solid scum.
Same as I have Norwee as solid scum but mom her him as solid town.

I want T3 but it's a "vanity wagon".

[Fairy Circle]

idk I didn’t really take it as a joke in any sense since datisi has basically gone off on me any time I’m mentioned

- lilith

Thats fair, I did wonder why the fire.

-F, and above.

[Fairy Circle]

Everything within me screams T3 is scum.
They're misleading, twisting and manipulating so many things and are doing everything in their power to set up chain mislims.

-F

Why is this giving me deja vu to ODM

you tell me..

Remind me T3.. What was my alignment in ODM?
And what was my fate in ODM?

[Fairy Circle]

can you explain why you think norwee is scum? did I miss you explaining that before?

- lilith

It's scattered between a few posts. TLDR is I don't like their reactions, I don't like their pushes, and their stances have been questionable at the minimum.

[Fairy Circle]

last two are Flea

[Fairy Circle]

I don’t have anything specific to point to, and I didn’t follow potions 1 super closely, but what I do remember is that retti and datisi were basically townread right away and then coasted on that early townread. which to me feels similar to how they were super active at the beginning of this game, everyone said they townread them, then they kind of disappeared and feels like they’ve stopped solving. like I said, a lot of the recent content has felt like shading our slot.

can people explain why they’ve locktowned gcb?

- lilith

Not locktown, I don't locktown easily.
Honestly I think they've been pretty reasonable and had sane responses so far, nothing seems to be been an overreaction and they've been stepping up and stepping away as appropriate.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Scum Flea when pressured in Yggdrasil flipped between fluffing the thread into oblivion and angry quotewalling but there was no tunnel.
Conclusion: Fairy is town for exasperated tone and tunneling me.
UNVOTE:

This didnt answer the question T3.

What was my alignment and what was my fate?
Because it's not what you've been framing it as.

[Fairy Circle]

What if everyone claims their pain potions and we all shoot in the PoE such that they all die tonight?

... no.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

What if everyone claims their pain potions and we all shoot in the PoE such that they all die tonight?

People should not claim if they are shooting or not to avoid potential roleblock interference.

We will be choosing a target tonight, and we will be finishing it N2 if they're still alive.

[Fairy Circle]

We should decide on what to do tonight and get a shot pool

Personal opinion is it should be in Titus/Limit, if Titus gets flipped here and is red then Limit/RCE. If green...I don't know.

-R

How about if green you listen to me and look at the composition of my wagon? It's mostly my scumreads making a show of voting me.

I still want T3 gone in fairness, I think you're flipping green.

[Fairy Circle]

-Both are Flea

[Fairy Circle]

And rounding means they have the exact same chance as anyone else of getting just 1.

Don't round, don't try and work out the maths, because we can't get anything conclusive from it.

And Titus, people are not declaring their pots because we're not giving scum any priority targets.

Bad enough we had to claim.

-Flea

[Fairy Circle]

Flea. You have a habit of lockscumming town me

every time

you are wagoned as town.

Then break the habit of being scummy af and wagoning me for naff reasons?

-F

[Fairy Circle]

And rounding means they have the exact same chance as anyone else of getting just 1.

Don't round, don't try and work out the maths, because we can't get anything conclusive from it.

And Titus, people are not declaring their pots because we're not giving scum any priority targets.

Bad enough we had to claim.

-Flea

Scum as a group have 0.6 and 0.9 on average.

And you're still rounding.

Do I actually have to generate all the possibilities for you here? Bearing in mind there are values we're not even sure of.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

If we all claim whether we have a pain potion or not we can coordinate to shoot in the PoE. We can theoretically kill most of the PoE on night 1 depending on the potion distribution and scum can't counter it.

Literally scumclaiming at this point trying to see who they need to poison.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Anyone know what the final score was?
-F

[Fairy Circle]

well that's a throwdown if I ever saw one.

Did you read my spoilered wallpost norwee?
I'm guessing not.
Because the bulk of it is in there.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Well your loss. All the reasons are in there.
-F

[Fairy Circle]

We pained bingle

Assumed mastina would as well.

[Fairy Circle]

Flea if you pained me last night that would be very painful.

I vetoed you

Ur not a super strong town read but we debated between RC and bingle. Between the two we assumed bingle would be most likely killed

[Fairy Circle]

If you ever want me to CONSIDER your slot as town you fucking owe me a Bingle vote here.

I threw down a bingle vote when I came back, we even threw him a potion at night.

What dp you think pf that

[Fairy Circle]

, Bingle ----> Titus ----> RCE -----> green bois ----> limit

There literally should not be eliminations or. Kills outsode of that

Gonna try and get on later, but that's the game winning order

I mean, also.

Not sure where you get the impression I'm against bingle

[Fairy Circle]

I don't think SS lilith deserve death more than the other hydra. I feel like the biggest thing on lilith is lack of presence and I don't understand why everyome is letting RCE off with their yesterday.

[Fairy Circle]

VOTE: bingle

[Fairy Circle]

I also thought town would dunk us, so 20 pages of reads tonight

[Fairy Circle]

All posts today are the ditsiest of faries, amd the best fairy gifter!

[Fairy Circle]

Hey Mastina, small problem with your plan...

You're trying to read Mom thinking faer me. Soooo no. I can't work it out. Because your basis is wrong.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

I took a shot at FC last night hoping that at least two others saw the major swing away from FCs elim yesterday. I was 100% when I said that a town!Titus flip would earn FC a bullet.

Mastina you are going to have to hardsell bingle as scum imo, if he is he'd have to be a far removed third from FC and whichever of Norwee/T3/dwlee is just scum and not derptowning this game.

Funny that given my hard defence of Titus.

-Malefleacent with a BSEG

[Fairy Circle]

Anyhoo that was an interesting read.
Good to see someone lit Mastinas fire.
RCE as questionable as ever

And next time I'm keeping my Veto.

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

Aight moms away so the fae will play, lets see what I missed.

-malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

Can we just not factor in mental health into reads and maybe treat people like people? eugh...

68 has annoyed me -.-; like none of it is bad intentioned (I don't think) but still..

[Fairy Circle]

Brains suck, is the TLDR.

[Fairy Circle]

rereading reveals my own brain sucks whoo

[Fairy Circle]

Absolutely done with this game. Since everyone has checked in, I’m assuming all pain potions have been claimed already if used. We harmographied Bingle and can confirm Fairy Circle pain potioned him. So at least one of these slots is town, as I certainly don’t think scum is going around pain potioning each other. which makes mastina’s solve literally impossible.

- lilith

Kewl, our action got conf'd.
TLNDE, does not exist on a scumteam with Bingle.

I’m fully expecting to be the elimination so no way am I doing a full reread.

Here are my sticking points with GCB:
town!datisi has never once approached me like this - in particular the condescending and patronizing tone. I’d make a guess that town!datisi doesn’t approach anyone with that kind of tone. Retti is apparently staying far away from me, probably because I know who he is. why do GCB want to get rid of our slot so badly? I’d venture a guess it’s because I’m the only one in this game not townreading them and the only one with knowledge of Retti’s identity.

- lilith

I don't think you're eating the lim today, I'm reasonably sure you're town here.
I am getting OoG concerned about you though :/
Look after yourself, this isn't a request. <3

So at least one of these slots is town, as I certainly don’t think scum is going around pain potioning each other. which makes mastina’s solve literally impossible.

Or scum is playing 100 IQ.

Titus, the Moonwalker gazes in awe as you reach alpha-centuri-logic.

I don't think Lilith's RL stuff is any more scum indicative than Mom's, FWIW, but I think that Fleas behavior in Mom's absence is way scummier than S_S's. I have limit as pretty hardline null.

Still townreading all of Norwee/mastina/Emp/GCB, probably in that order of surety. Not really interested in reevaluating there today.

I was wrong on how close I came to elimination today, (for some reason that I can't explain but that is probably easily guessed I was thinking micro), but it IS still potential ELO.

I'm willing to admit there's a chance I'm confbiasing my reads on T3 and Dwlee, but I haven't seen anything that really makes me want to reconsider if someone actually has an argument.

To anyone TR-ing FC: Why?

Bearing in mind you modded for me and played against me, what am I doing here that's so incredibly scummy?
Because I'm just vibing here.
Also consider hydra's change player dynamics.

[Fairy Circle]

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

Moms away, so flea shall play!

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Fairy Circle]

Momcinda thinks you're town, I don't.

-Malefleacent

Ooooh! Hydra Dissonance!

I want you to explain why Mom thinks Norwee is town and Mom to explain why you think Norwee is scum.

It started here, but you’ve had several instances of “Our reads don’t align” and I haven’t seen any real effort put into making those reads align or explaining why they don’t align.

Because we talk it over, I don't mind talking about my reads, or if they don't align, I'm not going to talk for Mom though. I either talk for me, or for both of us.

[Fairy Circle]

You're trying to read Mom thinking faer me. Soooo no. I can't work it out. Because your basis is wrong.

I assure you, I'm not. When Mom is around I hope you can ask her what she thinks since this is the sort of thing that I don't think you can figure out on your own and which she might not be able to figure out on her own but between the two of you you might be able to piece together what I've been getting at.

You actually levied a question/comment at me, based on a post that was not mine

-Malefleacent - and 1 above

[Fairy Circle]

UNVOTE: rce
Fair.

... that was easy

-F

[Fairy Circle]

Because we talk it over, I don't mind talking about my reads, or if they don't align, I'm not going to talk for Mom though. I either talk for me, or for both of us.

The point of the question is that if town, you probably are talking about your reads. If mom has reads that are strong enough to disagree with you over, she's probably given you at least rudimentary reasoning on them, despite her inability to be in the thread herself. You don't have to agree with the read to be able to share the reasons she's given.

Frankly, your responses made/make me think you aren't actually discussing your reads, and scum has a much larger motivation for that than town. So again, I ask:

Why do you disagree on the reads you disagree on?

See that one I can answer. We have different ways of forming reads, some methods are better than others for some players.
While Titus was my strongest TR, the method I use to read her is an absolute pain and can be massively reliable if used on you for example..For Norwee me and mom aren't seeing the same things or we are but from different angles. Where I'm still having Norwee pretty low on my list, mom still has him near the top. What I see as external motivation, mom sees as Norwee being Norwee and looking over that it looks like Norwee is unfortunately someone I'm going to SR by default.

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

What are your current takes on FC? What would Bingletown do to your reads?

These are things I will answer!

...On D3.

VOTE: The Limit Does Not Exist

More votes/support here than on Bingle.

What are you doing?

[Fairy Circle]

More over, why are you giving up on plurality elim?

I FOR ONE

would love the conf town status that comes with a bingle flip.

You got norwee, T3, and my support on Bingle, that would be enough to make bingle the current leading wagon

[Fairy Circle]

ALSP

GUYYSSSS

MOMLINDA IS BAACCKKKK

DO YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS?

yes. We are moving back to

VOTE: bingle

[Fairy Circle]

I also feel like a strong earlt game presence and then a tapering off could be scum indicative for the green bois.

But enough of ky conspiracy theories, its time for a game of catch up!

[Fairy Circle]

"The elusive scum is probably Emp....", he whispers.

I dont think EMP is deep scum


Rce on the other hand...

[Fairy Circle]

GIVE ME MY IC STATTUUSSSSSSSSS

[Fairy Circle]

What are your current takes on FC? What would Bingletown do to your reads?

These are things I will answer!

...On D3.

VOTE: The Limit Does Not Exist

More votes/support here than on Bingle.

On this

I dont see any scum motivation is confirming that we and only we shot st bingle if they are scum with bingle.

In fact, its a much more pro-scum action to just keep quiet because they cant afford to IC a plauer, especially when they cant just simply kill them off at night.

That means your wrong somewhere. I would ask you to reconsider green bois, I don't think they deserve to be that high in your list.

[Fairy Circle]

VOTE: limit
If this is town I will eat my anime hat.

Come back to binget?

[Fairy Circle]

EVERYONE

what does lilith gain as scum by confirming us paining bingle?

I ORDER YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT

-mommyditzda

[Fairy Circle]

And i mean, yes Rce is probablty town but what town needs is cohesion and I don't think we have that.

Also

Having been lilith scum partner once, i know shes capable of.performimg much better than she is as scum
This is highly lilely a.bad game.for her and her "lack of obv towning" and her "lack of presence" in this game is incredibly NAI.

sure she and SS could deep scumb but I would much rather elimimate one who is showing AI behavior vs NAI behavior

[Fairy Circle]

If we're both town, what does lilith gain, still?

[Fairy Circle]

While Titus was my strongest TR, the method I use to read her is an absolute pain and can be massively reliable if used on you for example.

Oh? Do tell, because afaik the list of people capable of reading me regularly is functionally a separate set from the list of people who regularly play mafia.

Additionally, I don’t think we’ve even had a T/T game for you to believe this.

I actually meant to say the read I use for Titus is massively UNreliable on you.

-F

[Fairy Circle]

There’s an interesting lack of any paranoia here. Limit claimed a watch on me after most actions were claimed, and thus it was a pretty safe claim to make.

RCEnigma- claimed shot on us
The Limit Does Not Exist (hydra of Something_Smart and lilith2013)- watched boongle
Green Cap Boys (hydra of Retti and Datisi)- ???
T3 - ???
The Emperor-???
NorwegianboyEE-???
Dwlee99-???
Bingle -???
mastina -???
Fairy Circle (hydra of Momrangal and Flea the Magician)- pained. boongle

Try again?

[Fairy Circle]

MASTIINNNAAAAAAA

[Fairy Circle]

unless the premise is that you shouldn’t get towncred from day play.

We're widenly SR, lilith loses alot by eliminating us as a potential elimination

[Fairy Circle]

Hey, mom. Why do you think I’m scum?

Plz hold while I go game hunting

Tldr

I remember having played with you recently and you were easy to scum read there as town, and here you seem more agreeable and not taking controversial takes.

Paired together with Mastinas meta read on you

[Fairy Circle]

It prob sounds like WIFOM in my mind cus i’ve done the EXACT thing as mafia.

"UwU Oh yeah, i would totally be an good elimination here. But why would i openly say that if i was scum? Aren’t i an townie nugget? (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧"

Have done it as both alignment, but as town, theres a stronger declaration to listen to me in the grave

So might be a solid catch

[Fairy Circle]

[Adding to our ISO -F]

i forgot the password guys dont hate me

but also I have computer!

VOTE: RCE

like, w/e.

i'll limit posting in strings for obv reasons but.. yeah...

RCE

are you reading?

Bingle was the first vote we threw down, and we made it clear it was Bingle vs you. we chose Bingle because we thought it would be the killing shot.

ive made all my stances clear on all my reads thus far

[Fairy Circle]

Heads up, I am on my trippy ass painkillers rn. sanity is fleeting and I am posting

Okay then let's vote emperor or do something. Game is stalled and I don't agree with your premise that mastina has to be town here

Okay
So theoretically even though this is exactly mastina's town meta if mastina is scum tuneling town Bingle for no apparent reason... I actually don't know.

Metabad

we get it.
it can be, but not always. literally all I remember from you is "meta bad!" you're like a broken record/scratched CD/frozen youtube video

as much as I appreciate the defense on a personal level, I kind of feel like FC is white knighting us knowing that we're flipping town and the very likely plurality elim :/

although I don't really want to elim Bingle either

- lilith

Honestly I'm kinda hard TRing you rn but your defeatism and "oh woe is me" is making me wonder if I'm well wrong...

Objectively, I'm probably the best town elimination today.

Not sure if saying WIFOM to sound town as scum or if actually honestly thinking this.

Eh, check out betrayal.

I have no pots, I’m already presumably wounded, and my flip gives clarity to a bunch of interactions.

Oh you're definitely wounded, and if you don't die tonight you've been doctored.

While Flea does actively mess with their meta, my reasons to townread Flea are consistent across all of their towngames. Flea hasn't commented on my meta towncase, but I assume this isn't something Flea noticed.

You did what now? o.o

completely terrible

It isn't. It's weak, but I AM slightly more likely to effort as scum than as town, particularly given that I haven't had a scumgame that made sense to effort in in quite a while. It is 100% reasonable for mastina to see my behavior and go "Oh shit, is Bingle scum here?" I am objectively not an awful elimination choice.

More though, the reactions to the case are terrible. No one who has leant any support to the case has in any way shown an effort in actually reading me. Some of these (Norwee for example) have been up front about it. Waffley and unsure, but willing to trust the word of a townread.

Others (Mom) have been very vocal about how I'm obvious scum for no real reason.

WRT Fleameta, you're townreading faer for omgus tunneling you, when I don't really see an omgus tunnel. The admission that Flea engages in meta manipulation only strengthens my "Don't give a fuck" about your metaclear. ​Mastina locktowned faer in ODM early and accurately and has had literally the exact opposite reaction here. Their (collective) entire approach to hydra-ing gives the impression of not wanting to be held accountable for things.

Really? I've even said I'll take responsibility for my actions, my reads and the consequences. and yes while I actively screw with my Meta half the time I have literal entire brain shifts and my entire method of working changes.
I fully believed in my Titus TR and I keeping poking mom about that read being right I'm also confident in my TLDNE read and my mastina read.

This is getting really confusing.
Everyone is like, scumreading an different set of 3 people.

You say confusing, I say that means we're in a strange gamestate and the scum are likely deepwolfing.

I thought you knew me better t3

You're the guy who says metabad.

I thought you knew me better t3

You're the guy who says metabad.

Touché...

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Fairy Circle]

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

I think my reads are pretty damned good considering the amount of resistance they have in a frankly stale game.

-Malefleacent The Wise

[Fairy Circle]

I think my reads are pretty damned good considering the amount of resistance they have in a frankly stale game.

-Malefleacent The Wise

Did you give a list?

A couple.

Plan to talk with mom once the meds wear off a bit.

Current to touchy is Mastina and TLDNE.

[Fairy Circle]

MOMLINDA SAYS NO TO BOTH OF THOSE VOTES

[Fairy Circle]

THE FARIES ARE CONVENING,

but, we both agree the limit pushes are absolute garbage.

more on our shared thoughts!

[Fairy Circle]

but, we both agree the limit pushes are absolute garbage.

ok, convince me why i'm wrong

-D

Why are they scum other than

OMG SHITTY REACTION TO PUSH

and

LACK OF PRESENCE

and

OVERREACTION

it's pretty clear that lilith isn't kept up with the game, imo and what kind of information can they even give, given they have barely any interactions with anyone in the game?

[Fairy Circle]

Why is liliths defeatest attitude scum indicative anyway? They are getting shitpushed and bullied and that would be extremely annoying as both alignments.

From what i remember as a buddy with lilith, is that shes composed as scum and im not seeing that here

[Fairy Circle]

I think my reads are pretty damned good considering the amount of resistance they have in a frankly stale game.

Bullshit.

Not only is your 'case' on me a weaksauce pile of garbage that had to be dragged out by me I have been consistently accruing votes anyway. Compare: my case on you:

Fairy Circle (2): RCEnigma, Bingle

Your argument is far more suggestive that you're scum than that you're right. But go ahead and prove me wrong and show all the scum resistance to a Bingle elimination (Dwlee? Limit? Literally no one else?)

OOooo crankypants.
It's not even my case, we came to an agreement and you were that agreement.

And your case on me iiiiiiis...... That i apparently can't meta you?


-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

I think my reads are pretty damned good considering the amount of resistance they have in a frankly stale game.

Bullshit.

Not only is your 'case' on me a weaksauce pile of garbage that had to be dragged out by me I have been consistently accruing votes anyway. Compare: my case on you:

Fairy Circle (2): RCEnigma, Bingle

Your argument is far more suggestive that you're scum than that you're right. But go ahead and prove me wrong and show all the scum resistance to a Bingle elimination (Dwlee? Limit? Literally no one else?)

what case?

also, you're literally an IC in the event of a "fairy scumflip" and anyone paining you at that point is confirmed scum so like

why would you weakly argue against not being pained at night in the event we flip scum?

town bingle sould absolutely cash in on the ICness, because its clear that this isn't tvt. scum going around paining one of their own just for WIFOM is to much risk and not enough reward

[Fairy Circle]

OMG SHITTY REACTION TO PUSH

and

LACK OF PRESENCE

and

OVERREACTION

uh... yes?

like, town!lilith i've played with was obvtown to hell. she said herself she's great at obvtowning. i'm p sure i talent reading something about struggling to stay motivated as scum, though not sure where. and play this game looks much more like one of those than the other

and the fact that she knows this, and knows i know this, and then overreacts and says how i'm not trying to re-evaluate, when she hasn't given me anything to re-evaluate with... like what am i supposed to think

why do you townread her so hard again?

-D

I dont, actually but we collectively agree that there are better eliminations with higher scum equity.

I hate all the pushes against her, and honestly this feels like a flashback to THAT GAME

[Fairy Circle]

Malefleacent 2:0 it looks like

MOM CATCH UP

T_T

VOTE: T3

[Fairy Circle]

if it's flea, being reminded of THAT GAME means i'm town and tldne is also town

if it's momrangal, being reminded of THAT GAME means i'm a scumfuck

so y'know, kinda important

+1 to wanting to see t3 respond (mabye i'll even bully retti into looking at it)

-D

Itsa mom

You're just such a goddamn cassanova, it scares me

[Fairy Circle]

I'm not really interested in T3, tbh. It doesn't solve the FC/me dichotomy that has dragged this game into hell.

it'll get solved tonight

if it doesn't then someone protected you so yeah.

[Fairy Circle]

it'll get solved tonight

Or it can get solved today and I don't have to deal with you 'guiltying' me by just failing to shoot.

Dont get me wrong, I would love for it to be solved today to, but keeping a wagon on you is just

so rediculously hard

[Fairy Circle]

and, BTW, I made it clear that for most of D1 it was largely me giving Mastina some credence on her ability to read you, and the fact that I have so many town reads this game, so it made sense for PoE. a big factor is also due to the fact that, despite fae and I having such a hard time coming to consensus on alot of people, you are one of the two people we can come to agree on, along with Mastina and RC so like, its very likely that something is there.

most of D1, there wasn't much for me to go on about you, but when it comes down to it, yes. what I said originally makes sense and isn't contradictory to mastinas beliefs.

you are not taking controversials views.

explaining all your townreads early on, in detail does not mean that you are taking controversial veiws.

the push against Ta Vera could be a ping against my point against that, but if you are both scum here, that push against that slot would give you a reasonable amount of bus cred that mastina could potentially be unable to debunk considering how hard it has been to push a solid case against you.

you are reading reactively, and really are only pushing up against our slot because we made it clear that we are not backing down from this and, you flipping and giving the game an IC that potentially cannot be removed is enough motivation to attempt to get us elimianated here and now.

Ive been pushing against you literally the entire game, so why is it only now, when the stakes for scum seem to get even higher with my elimination that you push against us?


you've barely gave us a passing glance before now and if we were "just so full of shit" as you claim then you have all the reasons to push us.

you thought we were full of shit yesterday, when I "faked a townslop" but you werent interested in pursuing that. instead, you let T3 take all the heat for that, which is why I originally beleived him to be town and you scum.

it is also the reason I thought RC could have been scum as well. I thought it to be unlikely that all scum to be pushing that narrative, and the two who were pushing it, and taking a back seat on it were the top two are scum.

RC pulling back away from our push today, and moving to a stance of trying to understand us, when he has been adamant that we were scum the entire time makes no sense coming from a town perspective

[Fairy Circle]

I just iso'd Limit and F4'd for T3 and its like all over the place.

I don't really understand the progression from T3 town, t3 NAI, t3 i dont know to T3 is lockscum lets kill him?

It feels quite reachy and desperate.

I don't think it's something I've ever seen SS do before? pls correct me if I'm wrong.

if they were trying to e reachy and desperate, why would the start a whole new wagon, and not promote a wagon that already exists?

[Fairy Circle]

Malefleacent 2:0 it looks like

MOM CATCH UP

T_T

VOTE: T3

This was mom ftr xD

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

at the moment, its us, bingle, or limit

[Fairy Circle]

what case?

The questionable leaning on your absence by flea before you got into the game, the weaponized dissonance, the convenient not even fucking knowing what mastina was talking about when sheeping her, the pointing out that T3's meta case on you town was false (because we've definitely seen you OMGUS tunnel someone this game ).

It's like it's been the bulk of what I've been talking about for days or something.

So our absence when I wasn't even told the rep-in had gone through... the dissonance that we've both said we have, but keep the chatting and working out behind the scenes, I did know what we were talking about and T3s towncase which is based on my meta, same as Mastina's epic tell which is apparently on me from mom-posting...

... apparently when I take these pain meds everyone else gets high, not me.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

also RCE

who somehow went from 3 to 0

[Fairy Circle]

it'll get solved tonight

Or it can get solved today and I don't have to deal with you 'guiltying' me by just failing to shoot.

OK even if we were scum, I would not do that, because that's an absolutely crappy move and a waste of resources and gameplan.

-Malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

yeah T3 is the current wagon

-F

[Fairy Circle]

i'm starting to think that bingle is scum for the sole reason that i've been townreading him for the whole game and this feels like a game where i fuck everything up

you thought we were full of shit yesterday, when I "faked a townslop" but you werent interested in pursuing that. instead, you let T3 take all the heat for that, which is why I originally beleived him to be town and you scum.

around what point did this happen? i don't remember, but who knows if i even read it

RC pulling back away from our push today, and moving to a stance of trying to understand us, when he has been adamant that we were scum the entire time makes no sense coming from a town perspective

is this supposed to say scum perspective or am i missing how rce's reevaluation of your slot makes him scum?

-D

The reveal that he is supposedly doing while still voting us and it happening only after our mislim potential reduces?

[Fairy Circle]

wasn't Limit voting for RCE and then when that wagon dissolved they hopped to T3?

they started T3 and was the cause of that wagon fizzling out

[Fairy Circle]

i think.

Also someone tell me the switxh between mobile and computer isnt as obvious as I think ot is

MOMlinndaaa

[Fairy Circle]

What happens in fight Club stays in fight Club

Also, sorry you repped into a ded slot

[Fairy Circle]

Hello fellow citizens, I am here because I heard there was beautiful people and fine refreshments.

May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

Braum is the better guardian.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

Hello fellow citizens, I am here because I heard there was beautiful people and fine refreshments.

May I receive a quick de-brief before I attempt to immerse myself in the details?

Braum is the better guardian.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

Why are they scum other than
OMG SHITTY REACTION TO PUSH
and
LACK OF PRESENCE
and
OVERREACTION
it's pretty clear that lilith isn't kept up with the game, imo and what kind of information can they even give, given they have barely any interactions with anyone in the game?

All of those things individually would be signs of a slot being scum--none of them damning on their own, sure. Any single one of them in of itself wouldn't be reason enough to scumread the slot, but all three together are, while not hard-damning the slot, still condemning. The slot has a lot of reasons to be scum.

So the counterpoint I ask you; what reasons does the slot have to be town? I've seen falling for the AtE as a reason to townread them (when the AtE is plainly nai), I've seen "people are pushing them and I think the pushes on them make them town", I've seen "stale gamestate", but I've not seen any good reason for them to be town.

I do admit it's possible they could be town. But the evidence does genuinely point to them being scum more likely than not to me.

The emotion reads as genuine to me, I'll not say more but I have noticed patterns and as soon as I say it people will change it up. It's also why my AtE is so effective.

Lilith has been reacting "badly" to a lot of things and the defeatism is honestly the biggest pinger for me rn, S_S seems to be trying to engage and interact more.

MH fucking sucks, and as someone with a decent list of MH stuff I can relate to liliths mood quite a bit, again it comes down to patterns, and you should ALWAYS assume good faith when thats involved. For example I'm currently crashing on my painkillers and in a hell of a lot of pain, if I take them I'm going to get stoned pretty damn quick and probably pass out, they is good stuff. Can't take them for long though because the nausea gets worse.

I genuinely think TLDNE is becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy here, and I think scum are pushing this.

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

you should ALWAYS assume good faith when thats involved.

You should treat it as NAI.
Not necessarily "good faith" as even if there is an real condition hindering their play it may be used as an excuse.
For example if i rolled scum and got an huge headache, then i get accused for playing too passively to be town. I can claim it’s because i have an headache and not post for 5 days. Sure i’d do the same as town but is it "good faith" in that scenario?

I've had someone assume my own MH issues being raised in bad faith to deflect a read, I had ADHD I struggle keeping up with 20 odd pages a day because "Oh hey they said a thing... just need to make sure I know that word. Wow this is actually really interesting, tell friends! talk with friends, forget what I was doing and play a game for a bit then realise "oh I was in a game.""

That is literally how I work.

If you roll scum and get a migraine, then sure, claim in thread you've got a migraine and will be low posting. I'm stoned af on pain meds rn, have 1.5x vision (not quite seeing double lol) and normally I declare V/LA because of that. Turns out I post more.
It's still good faith because you're being honest. If you're claiming that you have a headache just to get out of posting and in reality there's sod all wrong with you... you are the lowest of the low - never mind being in bad faith.

I genuinely think Lillith is being a self-fulfilling prophecy here, and I think they're genuine. I wont go into why, because language is complicated and if people are aware, they will try and change it.

[Fairy Circle]

-malefleacent

[Fairy Circle]

ye gods.

Aight fuckers, I'm stoned, i'm tanked on Monster, my head feels like a revolving door, now listen up.

We're here to play a damned game.
If you ain't enjoying it, why? Don't answer to me, answer to yourself.
Take a damn breather.
Have a brew, tea, coffee, even chai if you're that way inclined. It's PSL season, go grab one if that's your thing.

Don't engage in shittiness, I know I'm a fucker for being shitty but I'm working on it, promise.

Breathe, re-read if needed, nights a coming and the moment any ya'll are getting lairy D3 amma be WHUPPING ASS.

I will post the ominous positivity memes.
I will be aggressively positive.

---

Mastina your D3 needs to be absolute spectacular. Beacuse you just divebombed my reads list.

[Fairy Circle]

-Malifleacent,

[Fairy Circle]

I'm going to have to get actually mean aren't I?

-Malefleacent.

[Fairy Circle]

What happens in fight Club stays in fight Club

Also, sorry you repped into a ded slot

How so? I don’t seem to be dead yet.

You got pained last night, and again tonight..