Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

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Hello everyone. I’ve been looking and have some thoughts about the Tracker stuff in particular.

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Nobody has claimed tracker but I still think the risks involved should be noted. We do know scum knows what column (A, B, or C) but not the PRs exactly. Of course, looking at the chart there’s three combinations of scum and PRs of Tracker claims. Town Tracker and Town Jailkeeper vs Mafia RBer, Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor vs Mafia Rolecop, and Town Tracker with Town Doctor vs Town Rolecop.
So if we’re in Column A, it’s basically confirmed there is a Jailkeeper they need to kill among 6 other people. If it’s column B, they only need to look into a group of 6 people with both a kill and seeing someone’s role.

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In short terms, basically giving information to scum that shouldn’t be given for this trade off imo.

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Welcome.

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

If you aren't countering his claim, then Hockey is conftown.
(sorry for the SL, Hockey)

I…don’t actually think he actually is claiming Tracker, and just joking about this. Are you also just joking about them being confirmed Town?

Speaking of which, I saw in your posts you said you were following Lickity’s vote, and to me that’s just…not something I see from Town players. Most Town has votes on the same person if information that points towards scum, not outright saying they’ll just follow votes.

So can you give me a good reason why you’re voting the same person as Lickity?

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T3 is the type of person who knows that he does wild plays as town and scum, so it’s NAI, especially since I played with subs into a Mason and Scum slot with me, but honestly take that with a grain of salt.

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I was talking the tracker meta that I don’t think is really reasonable to play out.

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bruh

Why do u TR people that hold info, still dont get it

Well, hiding information like that can be useful to not give information that may benefit scum, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to explain otherwise you leave everyone that’s Town with less information. Now about Roden not giving information to scum, was just not needed since Roden was obviously already doing that. Idk that to me can seem like they’re trying to get towncred as scum. I can’t really think of that being something Town says unless for some reason they care about correcting or self conscious about how town thinks about them.

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Sorry, I meant *really felt the need to explain what they’re trying to do.

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Unvoting this, not really staying here just yet.

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I would kind of like to know where Turt, SM and Margot stand on the 'slip' as of rn and would also wonder if T3 and LQ are just gonna deathtunnel me at this point, and if so is it solely because of the 'slip'? Like, is this gonna be an issue being taken into D2?

I stand near where Roden kind of stands at this point, but not 100% certain it’s actually a slip just yet. In particular because I was in the game where the tbh tell was correct and nobody thought much about it, so I can absolutely understand why you would focus on something you’d consider a slip.

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I agree we cannot let slips just pass by again like with the tbh tell in Summertime, but I think it kind of diverted attention away from sheep move they already made.

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Actually, I noted something from one of Roden’s scum games, specifically involving past experiences with their scum game with me and Roden’s scum game with them, something really sticks out. So one thing I noticed is that Roden and T3 were townreading each other early, which he in my scum game actually said he would TR my slot when we were both scum. To me there’s also the fact that from what I parsed as pushing pressure off their teammate as well.

This is just meta, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think it should be pointed out.

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Forgot to mention but this is from Gelato 2, Newbie 2066 and Sanwich Debate in 2071 as reference.

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It’s not really a pattern from just one person if you ask me. It’s a pattern between two users from my experience and reading into a scum game where both T3 and Roden were scum.

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It’s not really a pattern from just one person if you ask me. It’s a pattern between two users from my experience and reading into a scum game where both T3 and Roden were scum.

Why do you think they would play it the exact same way again?

Just because you lose as scum doesn’t mean you can’t do that kind of stuff again at all, and thinking like that could end up with scum completely getting away with doing said risky play because it IS the play Town wouldn’t expect.

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So I have a question for Egix, why did you make a throwaway vote?

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Why do u TR people that hold info, still dont get it

Well, hiding information like that can be useful to not give information that may benefit scum, but sometimes it’s absolutely necessary to explain otherwise you leave everyone that’s Town with less information. Now about Roden not giving information to scum, was just not needed since Roden was obviously already doing that. Idk that to me can seem like they’re trying to get towncred as scum. I can’t really think of that being something Town says unless for some reason they care about correcting or self conscious about how town thinks about them.

I'm not sure how you reached this interpretation. I can understand why town might be suspicious of me from holding information, but trying to continue to push when I'm making it clear doing so is anti-town is just not a good look. Continuously drawing attention to it is not a good look. Trying to shade me into spilling the beans is especially not a good look.

Hockey claimed Tracker and isn't getting counterclaimed, so I can only assume they're conftown and because of that I won't scum read them. But anyone else who tries to push this when I keep warning against it is gonna get priority of my vote going forward. Trying to get info out of me or T3 about his plan is just a scum move now.

I read this and got confused, who are you even talking about with the first part of this post? It seems like you are talking about Hockey but also sounds like you mention me and this is just confusing for me to read. I've already stated from what I interpret from post #79 you already say you weren't giving away the information, then in #83 and #91 you talk about hiding information involving T3. My problem is that it gives off that feeling that you're doing it to look town when scum is often self conscious about the people around them.

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Also wanna ask SM who their two strongest elimination candidates are rn for D1, and why?
I say two, because one is most likely me which you've hinted the potential reasons for in #279 and iterating that doesn't say much.

I say Roden or you right now is my top two candidates for scum has to be you and the former is honestly better to flip than your slot. Roden elim. To me, getting some information involving the meta (of T3 and Roden) is probably more useful than eliminating you because of what some people here consider a slip.

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VOTE: Roden

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Even if this flips green it means we still have some sort of information, so either way I think this vote is fine.

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Even if this flips green it means we still have some sort of information, so either way I think this vote is fine.

That's really really bad. Don't lynch for info unless you are doing some sort of calculations for it (which I will be calculating things during NP).

I already did think over this, and I believe that this is just a better person to eliminate just from how they have been doing as having scum-like intent to me.

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Right now its 10% reason for pushing for a reveal for the actual meta, 20% because both T3 and Roden TR and I want to flip one of them to analyze the other, and 70% because Roden has to me felt like he is defensive and cares about how town perceives him.

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Yes... That is also something that was on my mind while I was pondering LQ considering the game's pace. Still, some of LQ's progression is suspicious, like the stuff you pointed out about Clasko. I am wondering how possible it is that the reason the wagon happened so quickly wasn't opportunistic scum bandwagoning but rather that we found it and then just got nervous at the speed and backed off collectively. But I really appreciate LQ's argument against, you know, eliminating slots that are likely green. And on that note I will VOTE: Strange (that's e-2)

VOTE: alstromerial

Sup I know it's PoE but is there anything can I do here to save myself from the day pool lol

VOTE: Strange

For being uh... strange.

This feels pretty close to a naked vote considering you just mentioned the term, and that you hopped off Clasko right after asking T3 "what about Clasko?" Can you say more about this vote?

Ok so you're voting me and then saying that's a naked vote?

Yes I am still working on the case but I've been a bit busy.

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Ah who am I kidding, I've been putting up a charade and pushing Roden with a not so great argument to get a discussion going, and see who would be adamantly against a possible wagon on Roden. In particular I was looking for T3's reaction since he well, TR Roden so I wanted to see how he'd have reacted to it. And that part is frustrating to me because he completely ignored it and did his own thing instead, which didn't help at all. Not to mention that there are three votes on me, and it doesn't seem like anyone questions that.

And if you wanted my reasoning for voting Roden, I've already outlined it but in #79 Roden talks about not sharing information, then continuously talks about hiding info in #83, and #91. The main idea was that it was just repetition that would've been said it is odd to just keep repeating this as Town.

I wouldn't blame anyone if they vote me because of this, but I wanted to make this clear, I feel like Town isn't making anything and is just reacting, and that bothers me because the game probably won't progress if this just keeps up.

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Actually I worded the middle part really badly. Town doesn't say that, or even needs to keep repeating that when it's already obvious when Roden. hid information about that.

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I'm not wild about E96 but I think they look better than alstro.

If it comes to it, I'll join on alstro, but I'd prefer Roden, But it doesn't look like anyone else wants Roden dead? T3 TRs them, does anyone besides me SR Roden?

Not going to lie, this is a vote just because, and especially when you scumread Roden is just odd.

Speaking of Roden, do you have any opinions on alstromerical and egix?

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Oh, I read this post completely wrong. My bad.

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Also, T3 feels like a wildcard to me, like he can flip either way right now, and any attempt to have a read on him just hadn't work out. He also hadn't been really scumhunting but just looks for town. Not saying that's a bad thing since POE absolutely can be useful, but at the end of this POE he just doesn't do any hunting to try to find scum in that group.

And Roden, can you please tell me what you see about those two that say they are town?

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Or, at he's not saying anything about what he sees and who he scumreads in that group of people.

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Also, T3 feels like a wildcard to me, like he can flip either way right now, and any attempt to have a read on him just hadn't work out. He also hadn't been really scumhunting but just looks for town. Not saying that's a bad thing since POE absolutely can be useful, but at the end of this POE he just doesn't do any hunting to try to find scum in that group.

And Roden, can you please tell me what you see about those two that say they are town?

It's because they're putting in the effort to poke and pressure people. There hasn't been any narrative twisting or notable shade attempts. This is important because the game state is basically going nowhere and scum 100% would be fine with that, attempting to stir the pot would just go against scum's agenda. The only thing that feels off is that they're voting for each other even though they're both giving off town vibes.

Though speaking of which, EoD is coming closer and we need to come together on an elim choice. I currently want either you or LQ gone, but if you've got a case on Alstro or Egix I'd be open to hearing it. Margot is also a person of interest since she keeps attracting a lot of suspicion from people. Everyone else (T3, Clasko, Hockey) are town reads for me and are off the table.

Well for one thing I can be 100% sure of with your POE down to two is that I know I’m town, and don’t know what role LQ is. So if LQ flips red from this, it means to me your town pool has scum in it for sure or you are actually scum which I actually don’t exactly believe you are.

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Can you explain some of the logic behind this?

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Post #427 I mean. I’m not quite understanding how you got here.

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Welcome, hopefully you can bring something more to this game so far.

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Nobody has claimed tracker

How did this get posted. Did you just say this without checking? Did you miss it?

At that point I thought based off what Hockey had said that it looked very much like a joke. Turns out he was actually claiming Tracker.

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Considering that I don't particularly think that Alstro is more or less likely to flip scum than Margot is, I think it's better to yeet within the triangle than outside it.

Keeping this in mind for later.

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Since you’re here, can you give me a list of Town reads Ythan?

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Ythan do you have town reads? If so, what are they?

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What the heck is this cross? This just feels like LQ, trying as a last ditch effort to vote the other common scumread person trying to save themselves. This seems like PR or we caught scum at this point.

Why do you insist on being defensive and not wanting to be voted LQ?

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I’m not saying you aren’t allowed to talk to Ythan at all. It just seems like you REALLY don’t want to be voted or have pressure.

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EOD is coming up, and honestly LQ using Meta as their defense for being defensive isn’t a very good defense. I used meta to defend myself in another game but couldn’t show that I wouldn’t do that as scum is why it didn’t work. If you can give me multiple accounts of your defensiveness actually being NAI then sure I might believe the Pmeta.

For now I think this elimination should happen.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

E-2 if I counted right (I might not have, please do correct me)

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If EOD wasn’t coming up very soon, it would’ve been separate things to say. Guess where we are. I’m in a hurry and don’t want no elimination to happen. Plus it barely affects what I’ve said about thinking your reaction to Ythan’s posts seem to me like scum being defensive and not wanting to be eliminated, or PR. Your post just seems to take what I’ve said and take out parts of what I’ve already said.

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I screwed up with the last sentence. *You’re taking out what I’ve already said and ignored it here.

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If EOD wasn’t coming up very soon, it would’ve been separate things to say. Guess where we are. I’m in a hurry and don’t want no elimination to happen. Plus it barely affects what I’ve said about thinking your reaction to Ythan’s posts seem to me like scum being defensive and not wanting to be eliminated, or PR. Your post just seems to take what I’ve said and take out parts of what I’ve already said.

Because it's old ground. That's why I'm not responding to the same lame case that has been made against me all game which is that I've been defensive. And then when I am not defensive I am somehow Scummy for not being defensive, at least to Marget. I can't win! This has been a very frustrating last few hours. Bad reasons, then bringing up past bad reasons, and a tunnel on me that is really poorly thought through then saying the reason for the vote on me was hardly impacting their read on me.

Yeah, if it looks like I'm frustrated, I am.

So first of all, not being defensive is not a justifiable reason to scumread, so if you could point out where Marget said that would be something to look into. However, you’ve basically been moving this conversation in circles at this point, repeating the same sentiment in a different way that doesn’t help at all.

I don’t agree with Ythan talking about ATE, but he is right. You could make a compelling scumcase to get everyone off you.

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Sorry if this game got frustrating by the way.

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LOL T3 YOU IDIOT

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Why did you hammer????

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This game went from 0 to 100 in so many ways.

Just saying Roden, either way Lickety flips to me means your town reads has scum in it to me. If you need me to flip then so be it, but I’m telling you this now.

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So, Ythan can you give results?

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Eh, that is probably for the better to keep it silent. A bit of a dilemma involving Roden here to be honest. I know for a good fact now that Roden's TR has scum in it or he is scum. The only way to prove that information is if I get eliminated today or he just believes me which the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

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Eh, that is probably for the better to keep it silent. A bit of a dilemma involving Roden here to be honest. I know for a good fact now that Roden's TR has scum in it or he is scum. The only way to prove that information is if I get eliminated today or he just believes me which the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

I actually don't think it's you anymore due to the NK. Though I'm not sure how you know for a fact my town reads have scum in it? I only have three town reads and one of them is a confirmed townie.

Then I miscounted or read things incorrectly with this.

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That is E-1 if I counted this right.

I’m not opposed to an elimination, but with several days left we should use that

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Nope, I just forgot that it’s a 1v7 not 1v6.

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That means it’s E-2 from eliminating Alstro.

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Don’t see how advocating for eliminating yourself is really a town thing to do unless you know it has some sort of benefit for Town to do so.

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Because he used ongoing game meta which usually comes from town.

This seems weird. Why is ongoing site meta considered something that comes from Town T3?

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Wait, didn't you just imply you inspected them and then said you got not result because they weren't here? I'm not quite sure I'm understanding this right now.

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I don’t think Margot is likely to be scum in this case unless they had some sort of play where LQ pushes their partner for all of Day 1. I also noted that LQ just kind of dropped off with their initial scum read on Margot, going from often commenting about their posts then to nothing, then coming right back to voting Margot again.

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Knowing LQ flipped red, it reads like he wanted to get everyone off them and coming back to his scumread on Margot as he had for most of Day 1 so it doesn’t look initially like an opportunistic vote. It probably is an opportunity vote, considering that he could easily make a wagon on Margot, with one person already on them and then Egix joining them on the wagon.

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Also, hello GrandpaMo.

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I don’t play scum very well or even be interested in playing a scum game. A game of don’t get caught by everyone else is kind of boring, except hunting for PRs, that’s really the only fun part. Fun to me is not knowing in this game.

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Going back to the game, @Alstromerical considering it looks like you thought that Clasko has done things that seemed town, but in #667 you go into this like they could be scum. Has your read really changed? If not, who would you pick as your top slot to eliminate?

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Sorry, *if so,

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I had it right the first time, ignore #695, that was a mistake.

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Just thinking from another game that this could be just as likely Alstro is scum jumping on something scummy. It’s a bit concerning though since it did happen last game where Ythan (scum) specifically said I was PR hunting when I was Town.

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I don’t play scum very well or even be interested in playing a scum game. A game of don’t get caught by everyone else is kind of boring, except hunting for PRs, that’s really the only fun part. Fun to me is not knowing in this game.

u replace all the time as scum...?

No, I still play it’s just not as fun outside of a few things.

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I'm not sure why you guys keep persisting to get T3 and me to explain what T3 is doing when I've stated multiple times now that it would out the Doc.

Ok this makes me think Roden is town and you can’t change my mind about this.

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Process of Elimination makes

Clasko/GrandpaMo
T3
Egix
Alstromerical

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I think my problem right now is that LQ has interactions involving several people in some way during this game, and I feel like going off interactions isn’t going to really be helpful, and is probably what scum wants if you ask me.

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Okay so seeing these last pages play out, there are two possibilities. One, T3 is scum but no one besides Egix is with me, and it seems quite unlikely that that will change before the deadline, so we'll have to wait until PoE or tracker catches him to resolve that. Two, T3 is town and I'm barking up the wrong tree, which would usually have a limited downside because it's still an interaction I can get info from, but in this case, it appears the more I push the more I get run-up, because I don't want to spell out what I think is happening behind the scenes and why I think it's less good than everyone else seems to think. Still, based on what I've read in the thread, I suspect I've likely inadvertently damaged the crap out of T3's plan if he is town. Let me try putting it this way, getting a little more direct without spelling everything out. To those tracking along with T3's gambit, if your understanding of it relies on key assumption(s) and WIFOM-ing the mafia a bit, what if the assumption(s) isn't correct? That's the trail I'm on.

Ok I have a problem with this. My problem with this is that nobody on Town can guarantee they know if their assumptions are wrong. In fact, it’s really hard to know what assumptions are wrong until it can be proved that the assumption is wrong, and often this probably won’t happen until after the game ends.

And if the assumption is wrong and someone can provide why it’s wrong, then I’ll just go from what I know is right and try again in a different way. Your post reads kind of paranoid the assumptions made are wrong, but also seems to me as if you don’t want this plan even happening in the first place.

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ok i claim doc, lets vote already.

Why would you claim doctor?? Does anyone have a CC?

Also this wagon on T3 just feels like most of it is just policy which I don't think is really a good thing.

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Also, I'm not getting this since if Ythan targets T3 tonight and GrandpaMo targets Ythan (if there isn't a CC) if he's scum he can't NK (if I'm right about how doctor works).

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I'm not really sure what to think about Alstro where his posts to me seem like there's a good deal of WIFORM such as the things with T3 and about the GrandpaMo claim. It can seem like you're threatened by both of these things and not look really scummy since town does this.

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With EoD coming up I think Alstro should go and we have one confirmed out of T3 and Egix if Mafia NKs. Otherwise we

VOTE: Alstromerical
E-1 (4/5 Votes)

Actually, Roden how confident were you that you knew who was doctor?

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So now there's two doctor claims. That's helpful.
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So let's not vote out Grandpa and Astromerical, and if one of them dies its probably the other.

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*dies and reveals Doctor.

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Well that could be true, but I'm not voting between you two either way.

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I legit thought that Roden was Doctor and didn't say anything because I was afraid I would end up outting the doctor, but I was wrong on that end.

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Also I just don't recommend crumbing as Doctor IMO. You never know if scum will figure out the crumb and essentially get rid of a PR.

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You can, but Doctor is specifically very important to never crumb. 1. You give away both PRs to only scum (if they didn't already know). 2. Your job is to protect the other roles, and if you know who they targeted, you also basically confirm that player.

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I mean you would know who scum targetted if nobody dies.

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From the day 1 hammer on LQ, Egix and Clasko's slot were on Margot. I think that it may be that one of them may have been trying to save the Mafia Rolecop. If scum were defending their partner with this by joining the Margot wagon then there's one scum in between Egix and Clasko.

So vote off Egix, but I'm not sure about Ythan's check on Clasko (GrandpaMo's slot) and vote on them. I mean doesn't it mean that since Clasko wasn't here there wasn't an action from them and confirms them?

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It is, but I'm sure pretty certain that scum killed last night since if they no killed they just give town more chances since there's two PRs, one mafia, and 5 VTs. Killing would be in my opinion probably one of the worst decisions to make as scum since now there's 3 chances to catch scum since it is a 1v7, then a 1v5, then a 1v3, and then we lose.

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That said, the deadline is coming up, and we should vote someone. I think we should just eliminate Egix and confirm someone. I'm just going off experience but no killing tonight means it's just a 1v6 and no confirms.

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VOTE: Egix

Just here so we don't end up without an elimination. But also I think that he may have been defending his partner with his vote and the things that he said. However I'm not entirely sure and it may have been that LQ was taking advantage of the Margot wagon since LQ was the last person on their wagon and Egix was the second.

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Is it bad that I really want Tracker to say their result, hopefully catch mafia or at least confirm someone.

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Tracker is going to die tonight, so if we don't catch Mafia today we can go into tomorrow with at least a confirm.

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Did you just use your inspect on the same person twice?

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Just saying that is pretty safe to assume scum DID kill Night 1 and Doctor saved you.

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So POE means that its T3 that is LQ's partner since GrandpaMo (which I'm still very angry about) is confirmed Town.

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Ehh I still wouldn't have chosen to confirm someone you got no information of the two T3 and GrandpaMo.

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Especially with how few reads there are on T3.

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I find Margot's pivot to be a little off since they're voting me, gives a case, and then doesn't do anything else. So @MargotRosa is that just because you're certain I'm scum? And what will happen if I don't flip red?

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Also I'm noticing a certain parallel from another game, and I hope Ythan also sees this.

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Well you are completely wrong, much like most people who try to put me as partners throughout my entire experience playing this game.

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Please, just stop adding more confusion into this game GrandpaMo that does nothing, you’re confirmed to pretty much everyone.

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I'm not going to lie I don't like the thought of having T3 in ELO so that's kind of why I don't want to be eliminated.

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Or maybe I counted this wrong again, like I usually do.

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There are 6 people alive.

I think T3 is probably town here.

1:6 > we miscondemn strange > 1:5 > i die > 1:4 > we miscondemn rosa > 1:3 > nightkill > 1:2 >> kill between roden / t3.

It's a 1v5 by the way with 2 confirmed. Then its 1v3 with 1 confirmed which is I believe Elo.

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also do u mind being voted off today @sm?

I absolutely have a problem with being voted off today since the game would go into elo, and to me it’s be a waste of the one of two shots at eliminating scum we have.

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also do u mind being voted off today @sm?

I absolutely have a problem with being voted off today since the game would go into elo, and to me it’s be a waste of the one of two shots at eliminating scum we have.

but it shouldnt matter no?
becuase if u get limmed and we are wrong then we get another chance tmr.

us catching scum today is way less likely than tmr

Shouldn't matter, shouldn't mean that we cannot try to actually catch scum and minimize any and all miseliminations. If you're not pressed to do that then I don't know what to tell you since you are confirmed town.

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Well who do you think could be scum Strange?

Well first I am starting over with my town reads. With how much Roden doesn’t want T3 or myself to be eliminated, it doesn’t seem like something scum does since they would have to make a case for either of us if you flip town fmpov.

So then I think it’s down to T3 or you as scum at this point, but I think T3 is more likely to flip red. He just steeped a vote and could potentially just be playing off town accusing into each other, especially with a Roden and yourself TRing him.

VOTE: T3

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Sheeped*

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Maybe instead of saying that you could contribute something of use then.

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So wait, why do you want to eliminate me or Margot?

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VOTE: margot
Honestly I just want to lim margot or strange.

i think margot could be town for just coming to the consesus to vote out strange rather than u.

i feel scum could have just chose an easy target and chose you.

I don't get this at all. First of all, they were the first person to vote me, then T3 votes me (and unvoted), then you. That's not what I consider a consensus vote at all if you ask me. Also the only other person who did vote me was T3 who said afterwards that they were voting me for POE.

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Grandpa why do you think Margot is town? Do you think he tries to NK the Tracker N1 if he believes I softed Doctor?

VOTE: margot
Honestly I just want to lim margot or strange.

i think margot could be town for just coming to the consesus to vote out strange rather than u.

i feel scum could have just chose an easy target and chose you.

I don't get this at all. First of all, they were the first person to vote me, then T3 votes me (and unvoted), then you. That's not what I consider a consensus vote at all if you ask me. Also the only other person who did vote me was T3 who said afterwards that they were voting me for POE.

lol look at desperate scum tryna stay in the game

Okay now you're trying to get me angry, since you decided to ATE instead of making counterpoints this.

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E-1, remember to say that.

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I don’t think this has any meaning since both PRs are out, but I am a VT. You can vote me Ythan, but you will get NKed with eliminating me today.

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That is what I know for sure. And if you think I’m just scum bluffing then in the end it doesn’t matter since if I hammer myself or you do we will never get anything from this.

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Grandpa why do you think Margot is town? Do you think he tries to NK the Tracker N1 if he believes I softed Doctor?

honestly it doesnt matter. i dont want strange in a f3 regardless -- i feel like we always vote t3 over strange tomorrow if margot is town today

I’d like for you to explain why you don’t want me in the final 3? Also, what was your night 1 track if you’re tracker

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Air quotes on tracker there

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So I'm just going to be saying this again since it's somewhat relevant but in my personal experience trying to actually catch scum with partner often ends up leading into Town making many, many mistakes over the course of a single game. My first game had this exact problem, where Town read into interactions where Lukewarm (scum) interacted with multiple people. I just feel like that partners is undeniably the most inconsistent way to catch scum and scum plays around this by dragging down town when they die as well.

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Went through ISOs of Roden and T3, and I'll save you the whole shebang, but I just don't think it's them. I know I'm Town. In my mind, it can only be Strange.

Well you can just take my word for this since scum is either you or in your TRs since I know you're certainly wrong this. Also, it feels like you haven't really said anything about T3 and that pivot in particular feels like you at the point couldn't make much of a case on T3 as scum and then switched to voting me.

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So I'm just going to be saying this again since it's somewhat relevant but in my personal experience trying to actually catch scum with partner often ends up leading into Town making many, many mistakes over the course of a single game. My first game had this exact problem, where Town read into interactions where Lukewarm (scum) interacted with multiple people. I just feel like that partners is undeniably the most inconsistent way to catch scum and scum plays around this by dragging down town when they die as well.

I would normally agree with you, but in this instance we have a scum who was making very obvious mistakes and tells throughout d1. I'm just making the point that, given scum completely showed their hand d1, it makes some sense to look to that again when looking at interactions

That is not at all what I see looking back on the ISO. Half of your posts are from what I've read, "Strange is in my eyes scum and here's a partner reason for my case." It doesn't seem like you are drawing attention to it. Also, can you give me a good reason why you think that T3 is more likely to be town?

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Also, I am not voting myself, that's final.

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Yeah I think it's T3 from this point of the game. Margot and Roden have made posts that make me think they're likely flipping green here, and T3 is the last slot.

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If we can't organise to kill me today, we can no kill today and vote me out tomorrow. Again, works out to be the same thing

Though this is actually kind of weird to say since there's only 1 person voting you, and T3 only wanted to vote you because of POE. Also no elimination is the worst thing to be doing today since scum gets away with NK and its still ELO with 1 confirmed in a playerlist of 5 people. Not to mention the complete 180 from other posts?

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Well with 7 hours left and nobody talking someone just vote me so we don't end up not eliminating. Still don't feel like we have a good chance of catching scum in ELO if I get eliminated but oh well.

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Hello again, I'm going to look into the wagons again, I have a sneaking premonition about something.

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Oh no Ythan is scum lmao gottem ggs

In all seriousness though something that should be pointed out is that T3 and Margot were on LQ (scum), Alstro (Town Doctor), Clasko/GrandpaMo (Town), being that both were off the Egix and Alstro (who was Doctor). Then there's voting me where only I know that I won't flip red , but take that as you will though.

About Margot's point though, that scum wouldn't hammer each other without a claim doesn't at all seem like what they were even trying to go for. I feel like their play was that LQ would die, and town reads into interactions with them and tear each other apart.

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Of course that's just a guess if T3 is the last scum if you ask me.

The biggest point towards T3 being town is the Tracker stuff that went on during Day 1, which now looking back and with the N1 No Kills seems like a Wiform moment.

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Good luck in elo.

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I seriously doubt we’re winning this now.

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I seriously doubt we’re winning this now.

If this is because you're scum then lol.

No, you'll see.

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Somewhat related but I have 15 more cents since I joined this website.

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Well that’s no good. Still think eliminating me D3 was not a good idea.

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I think eliminating me over T3 was just a massive misplay by town.

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And I only mean this because T3 was exceptionally scummy throughout this game so I was like I’d rather see what role T3 is before going into elo.

Still happy I caught LQ. Defensiveness tell definitely works even on him still despite his claims of it being NAI.

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100% sure T3 would’ve been the miselim in ELO no matter what so there’s that.

Not saying it can’t but right now it definitely doesn’t prove your point LQ.

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I mean Elimination not miseliminated.

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Idk since it didn’t happen.

However that tracker play was almost impossible to have it work if you ask me.

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GrandpaMo fakeclaiming Tracker as Town was a good attempt ruined by the circumstances. I still think there was a better way to play it off by just saying they were doing it to drag out scum’s NK.

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Also would've helped a lot more if it wasn't specifically GrandpaMo who said it. And if anyone isn't informed, GrandpaMo has had a history of claiming PR as VT so yeah it was kind of ruined by its own circumstances.

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Well it was mostly fun until the end if you ask me, but GGs everyone.

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One of these days I'm going to win a game of Mafia dying lol.

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without dying*

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Also would've helped a lot more if it wasn't specifically GrandpaMo who said it. And if anyone isn't informed, GrandpaMo has had a history of claiming PR as VT so yeah it was kind of ruined by its own circumstances.

what where?

Lol remember the game where me and T3 were Masons and you claimed PR? That and another person in the game already said this exact statement.

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There's one last thing I think should be mentioned is associative scumtells and towntells. To me they're not inherently a good idea unless you're using them as a baseline to look into if you ask me. Otherwise I feel like there should be a pretty substantial reason as to why you think that way.

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I know substantial evidence is usually very rarely going to happen but with how inconsistent associative can be I think it's warranted.

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Well I haven't won once since I've started on this website so I feel this.

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If there's one thing I learned it's that you eliminate people who are actually scummy before elo not during it.

Your reasoning for scumreading me was associative in which the circumstances was that LQ interacted with almost everyone.

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Things might look scummy on surface level but if you take time to think about what can happen then its not so obvious. That's what that vote felt like to me.

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Really didn't help that GrandpaMo just didn't want me in elo and T3 only voted to sheep Margot which I'm honestly now surprised that wagon even went through.

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Actually I really didn’t think you should’ve targeted Clasko twice since while yes it is entirely possible there was a scum no kill, it’s far more likely they tried to kill and doctor stopped it.

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I'm interested in the dead PT too

Pretty sure unless we get Umlat to open up the dead thread, we probably won’t be able to know. I had to use PMs to talk to Ythan about this game

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Of course we were both dead and in this game so I didn’t think it was inherently wrong to use PMs as long as it was only with people who were playing in our game.

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Ok well guess it wasn’t allowed, my bad. Still not good circumstances to be in if you want to talk about the game so far, but oh well.

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Maybe should’ve just asked for another dead thread and invite everyone who’s dead?

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Anyways yeah I take full blame for this by the way.