Newbie 2076 [Game Over]

[HockeyFan]

Hi fellow townies(and T3), hope u have fun this game. Btw @Astra and @MargotRosa, what is your expericne playing mafia.

With that being said,

time to vote mafia

VOTE: T3

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Astra our names are too similar
There can only be one

Lock town tbh

[HockeyFan]

Hi all~

There can only be one

Chimchar was always my favourite D/P/Pt starter, therefore I have determined you are the sus. D:

VOTE: alstroemerial

wtf I cant take you seriously anymore if your favourite starter is Chrinchar??

VOTE: Clasko

Piplup is GOAT.

Your scum buddy being voted by Clakso eh?

[HockeyFan]

Hi.

Hi Lickety, kinda sad u had to roll scum this game

[HockeyFan]

There are 3 scum in this game, dw

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: hockeyban

dammit, u rolled scum again didnt u

What on earth? T3 with an AVATAR?

ikr, crazy, worlds ending

[HockeyFan]

Why?

[HockeyFan]

Like from the way im seeing it, u either want to out a PR as scum, or narrow the possible setups down(once again as scum)

[HockeyFan]

Hi fellow townies(and T3), hope u have fun this game. Btw @Astra and @MargotRosa, what is your expericne playing mafia.

With that being said,

time to vote mafia

VOTE: T3

"fellow townies"

VOTE: HockeyFan

A decent amount in person. Played some online mafia like several years ago as well

I cant even say hi to my fellow townies

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

Uh i've played about a year on a chat site called mafia.gg and just started playing fourm recently

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

RQS is a scum tell. It's an irrelevant question that's just there to make you look busy.

Disagree. RQS allows for some discussion. It also makes people get a feel of other people. So, Why do you dislike it

VOTE: LQ

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

I've been playing on MS semi-regularly since I joined.

VOTE: Margot

You're forgetting that the D/P remakes are coming out later this year. Also, "honestly" tell.

P.S. Hockey is town on vibes.

What do you have against honesty?

It's nothing major, but it's simply that scum sometimes have a tendency to overuse words that they think will "sound" more towny.

Had a newbie game where someone said "tbh" over thirty times and turned out to be scum. They still won even after it was pointed out as a scum tell too.

@Hockey if you seriously meant to combine Cringe + Chimchar to make a new word then I'm legit lowkey mad at you but I appreciate the word play.

wut

Also regarding this whole T3 tracker thing, i think T3 is actually town because why would one bring so much attention to themselves(shown by the now ~10 posts on the topic within 3 pages), in a game of 2 scum. I think scum would usuaully want to lay low early. I still think Tracker SHOULD NOT claim, but T3 is

unfortunately

a TL of mine

[HockeyFan]

Hi fellow townies(and T3), hope u have fun this game. Btw @Astra and @MargotRosa, what is your expericne playing mafia.

With that being said,

time to vote mafia

VOTE: T3

Hey there! Never played in forum format, but played a lot of quick chat room format a few years ago after playing a bit with my university drama society, because of course that was a hotbed of RP games

VOTE: Clasko

Piplup is GOAT.

Honestly, having hard opinions on a gen of Pokemon starters that aren't 1 or the most recent one in 2021 is pretty sus.

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: Margot

You're forgetting that the D/P remakes are coming out later this year. Also, "honestly" tell.

P.S. Hockey is town on vibes.

Thanks for the pocket, will pocket u back

[HockeyFan]

I'm still unsure about the tracker stuff but not necessarily sus of T3 for it

on the other hand I'm not vibing Lickety at all. He's got enough posts to

seem

engaged just via postcount but there's next to no substance in any of them

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

uh can u elaborate on this? 10 posts is not a lot imo, also I dont know why u execpted any real substance >1 irl day into the game

[HockeyFan]

In terms of the tbh tell, the last time I tried to apply it, it led me astray because, as mentioned above, the person just talked (wrote?) like that. I've seen games where it is a notable difference in someone's style, but I suspect in newbie games it will generally be harder to apply.

I think its more valuable to see whether that statement where they said "tbh" comes from a scum motive then to scumhunt via a tell that probably doesnt even work

Also, I am in the camp that there is no need for a tracker to claim on page 3, or even Day 1 for that matter unless they get close to elimination. Still, this is the sort of gambit that I've discovered is well within T3's wheelhouse so I don't see it as particularly indicative.

[HockeyFan]

T3, 1 question for you. Even if your crackpot theory DOES work, why force claim tracker to claim d1 f1. While I still hate the idea of a PR claiming d1, im more on the side of the tracker claiming late d1, after we've had good discusscion. If your answer is "tracker might get pushed", who cares? By that time, we will hopefully have 2-3 susses and we can just pivot to the 2nd one

[HockeyFan]

If you're asking about the RQS scum tell sample size, you've been on this site long enough to know that one.

If it's the "tbh" tell I'm not sure how you expect me to source that unless you want me to comb through every newbie game and CTRL+F scum ISO's for "tbh" and "honestly". Which uh, I'm not gonna do. But I'm clearly not the only one who's heard of that tell anyway.

I use honestly and tbh a lot. Will try to keep that in mind lol.

And personality appreciate the RQS stuff. Light atmosphere to start the game, which I imagine will get quite testy

Had a newbie game where someone said "tbh" over thirty times and turned out to be scum. They still won even after it was pointed out as a scum tell too.

if we're talking about the same game I think you're referring to, didn't that same person say they used 'tbh' constantly? Meaning it would be more NAI?

I'm not necessarily against considering the frequency someone uses a certain word to determine whether they're scum when analysing them as town v. scum, but it wouldn't be the end-all-be-all for me IMO, and it sort of lends itself towards 'meta' and IDK if I'm prepared to go there yet.

I wouldn't hard accuse anyone for it, the tbh tell was me commenting on Egix bringing it up and backing it up with my own belief in it. It's nothing I'd bother trying to use on Day 1 though, I think it's reasonable that people use it naturally in their speech patterns. It's just when you have people using it sparingly or never in their confirmed town games and then blatantly overusing it in games they're suspicious in, then I think it has merit.

My opinion on RQS doesn't seem popular, but I've been burned a few times by people who try to look helpful/busy by engaging in RQS but then turn out to be scum. It's easy town cred for too little effort IMO.

I mean, prolonging RQS and to keep talking about it beyond your first few posts is sus sure. But the person who did RQS this game(Lickety), did not prolong and even got some /starter/ reads(Only serious read is the TR on me, but still, Lickety did get some info, so sure RQS may be easy town cred for little effort but Idt thats the case in this game

[HockeyFan]

T3, 1 question for you. Even if your crackpot theory DOES work, why force claim tracker to claim d1 f1. While I still hate the idea of a PR claiming d1, im more on the side of the tracker claiming late d1, after we've had good discusscion. If your answer is "tracker might get pushed", who cares? By that time, we will hopefully have 2-3 susses and we can just pivot to the 2nd one

I think I know why T3's going for this and I'm just gonna town lock him now.

Why are u locking him town based on "what hes going for". Yes I agree with the TR on T3(explained in 62), but I dont get your reasoning for tring him. Its intresting that you know whats hes going for. HMMM did he tell u in maf PT:).

I mean, prolonging RQS and to keep talking about it beyond your first few posts is sus sure. But the person who did RQS this game(Lickety), did not prolong and even got some /starter/ reads(Only serious read is the TR on me, but still, Lickety did get some info, so sure RQS may be easy town cred for little effort but Idt thats the case in this game

This is a fair point actually.

[HockeyFan]

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

[HockeyFan]

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

I can't answer this unfortunately.

Hmmm Hiding info from town now are we? Idt this is AI and i will probs drop this topic. I do have a question tho; What are your thoughts on the game so far

I trust the site meta on the Tracker claim stuff.

Does this mean you agree that tracker should claim d1?

[HockeyFan]

Still on the side of tracker claiming late d1 imo

[HockeyFan]

I think you'll just see as the game goes on. I'm sensing a spicy T3 play and scum might not be happy starting Day 2.

Okay you saying this implies that you

want

tracker to claim d1 f1? If thats true, what do u think the benefit actually is in claiming tracker d1 f1?

I can't answer this unfortunately.

Yep Roden is locktown.
SOUL MASONS

bruh

Why do u TR people that hold info, still dont get it

[HockeyFan]

I think Roden and T3 could easily be playing mindgames here. Idk. Could go either way.

I really want to say they are both town but I'm still hesitant on Tring Roden

[HockeyFan]

I think this is a townslip

LAME EXEUCSE TO TR SOMEONE!!

[HockeyFan]

So, from most sus to most town as of this moment from my POV:

Hockey's #24 pinged me as scummy. It felt like he took the low-hanging fruit and saw something that could be perceived as scum/anti-town (when T3 posted) and used it to his benefit to get a strong start in the game by telling the village how scummy it could be, granted it was towards RVS, and they turned this around in #62, giving their reason for a TR, but I echo Turtwig's sentiment that it's something T3's able to do as either alignment and shouldn't be perceived as towny/scummy. More recently Hockey calls T3 a town lean but hasn't even changed his vote on him yet, so he's either lacking conviction, not immediately bothered about scum-hunting, or just plain forgot to change his vote - which is it?

T3's reasoning for getting tracker to out was bad, and I still dont agree with him, but at that point, i thought he was town because he was bringing too much attention to himself imo.

About at vote uhhh, I kinda forgot to unvote someone lol

UNVOTE:

[HockeyFan]

Okey dokey, here is where I am at.

I am getting strong town sense from Margot, contrary to what some others have said. It seems like she is really trying to sort -- some internal back and forth is good. I really liked 53 although I didn't check the math. It reads to me like a newbie who is really determined to put in the work.

Hockey is a town lean for me, though I disagree with the argument in 94 that withholding information is

always

anti-town. If someone is trying to bait a trap or is an investigation role who doesn't want to share results until they have a guilty, etc, there are some cases where that's good to hold back. If T3 was trying to do a spicy town play, which is totally T3, then not spelling out the details is beneficial. But the way that he's making his argument reads town, even if I disagree with it. Although I just realized it could be scum trying to get info on what the play is. Still not enough to change my read though.

T3 is probably town for the exact reason that Hockey outlined -- it's a huge gambit for scum to do right out the gate, so it seems unlikely.

Roden is null. 77 struck me as weird as well, but I don't see why scum would town lock T3 after that risky play. Then again, he then went on to walk back that town lock in 91.

Clasko and Egix are null.

The Astra slot is a sliiiiight scum lean because even with so few posts and the swift replace out, it seemed like she might have been jumping on the LQ wagon, and her RVS vote was also a wagon.

LQ -- I get a bad sense from 125. It reads a bit like complaining about getting scumread with a liiitle smidgeon of omgus, especially considering they imply that T3's gambit isn't scummy in 57 before bringing in a little more setup speculation.

The main thing that gives me pause is the very fact that LQ is a wagon already. It could be a quick and easy miselim. I also have no interest in pushing anyone to E-1 right now, so I'll leave my vote on the Astra slot for now to put a little extra fire on whoever joins in.

Err I wanna town read this just for having /generally/ the same reads as me which is lame but shhh

My current read list is looking like

Town Leans:
Alstro
MargotRosa
Clakso

Null: Egix, Lickety,T3(still dont know what this dude is going for),

Scum Lean: Roden/Astra

[HockeyFan]

t3, can you give some reads ty(like a full reads list)

[HockeyFan]

licketys at E-1 lol wtf? I think from Lickety's reactions to being put at e-1 is town+. They arent panicking like scum would nor are they doing damage control(ie giving some last min scumreads to distance from thier maf partner)

[HockeyFan]

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

[HockeyFan]

u rolled scum again didnt u

Again?

My last Newbie game was 2071 where T3 rolled scum

[HockeyFan]

I think Egix is ~~vibing town~~ and idt we condemm him today, I need to hear more from Clakso to get a read on them. T3 is still town, Lickety is still town. I think Margotrosa's progression is town. Roden is still scum mainly based off POE and i dont like /some/ of their posts either. Uhhh i think thats it? im probs forgetting someone

[HockeyFan]

Hey Hockey you should trust me when I say rodentown.

and thats why? i stg if u say "mEtA", I am going to be sad

[HockeyFan]

I'm tempted to vote T3 but I don't buy that Margot didn't know I was at E-1. Especially when they already said they knew I was at E-1 and then disguised it like they thought I was at E-2. I mean, I can see it as a derp, but I don't get how/why they already assumed I was at E-1 and then readjusted to thinking I was E-2. IDK why they thought that Astra's vote no longer counted. I'm NOT assuming that Margot was necessarily aiming for a quick lynch (after thinking about it) but I DO think they simply didn't want to unvote me. They seemed to have made like 2? 3? excuses on why they didn't want to unvote me before they did. It just feels like an OMGUS to me.

Dont really understand this post as a whole but I think Margot genuinely thought you were at e-2. As for the excuses part or smth, can u link those? The omgus part /may/ be true but I think that comes from newb town, could be wrong? Tldr; Yes they could be scum but dt its for the interaction with u

VOTE: T3


For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

I still have no clue how to read t3 lol. The reason why im willing to TR t3 is that he has a read that /doesn't/ involve meta which I think is town for him?

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: T3

For being so low energy. Can't talk about this read much, but I do think T3 doesn't have much vigor this game. He also isn't explaining himself very well. Both things point to him being red.

But since Hockey has played with T3 before I want them to answer if T3 was this low energy in the game they played together. Will check for myself.

T3 is always low enegry. They have a lot of posts, but they are almost always 1 liners

[HockeyFan]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

[HockeyFan]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

The site meta (which you should know by now) is that when someone gets to E-1, then either someone claims "intent to hammer" and then the person claims, OR if it is too early in the day or something, then you would unvote them so a quick Elim doesn't happen.

What doesn't makes sense is either Margot knew I was at E-1 when they voted me and wanted to unvote me, or they thought that they had to announce I was E-1 with their vote, which still means they knew they were putting me at E-1 with their vote. It gets a little confusing since Margot also voted me as an E-2 vote, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, I can see a world where Margot thought they had to announce me at E-1, but what I DON'T get is why they thought they had to announce I was at E-2. That doesn't make a lick of sense given what I said above.

Ok, I got it. Yea its weird but its a super weird reason to SR someone for. Margot unvoted when she realized it was at e-1 which is NAI(but def not smth scum). About the whole thing announcing someone at E-2, I dont think scum even wants to do that so I think i /think/ it comes from a scum mindset, but again not smth u can TR someone for. So, I think margot sits at null rn. Im a bit worried about you tunneling Margot here, what are your thoughts on other players rn

[HockeyFan]

So the real question is what Margot thought they were doing (in their second vote on me). There was something else I didn't like... The fact that they very well know they can switch their vote to someone else (demonstrated by their Unvote of T3). So it's just really really weird.

Uhhh i dont get this this? Why would they switch their vote if they Sr you slightly

The site meta (which you should know by now) is that when someone gets to E-1, then either someone claims "intent to hammer" and then the person claims, OR if it is too early in the day or something, then you would unvote them so a quick Elim doesn't happen.

What doesn't makes sense is either Margot knew I was at E-1 when they voted me and wanted to unvote me, or they thought that they had to announce I was E-1 with their vote, which still means they knew they were putting me at E-1 with their vote. It gets a little confusing since Margot also voted me as an E-2 vote, which doesn't make any sense to me at all. I mean, I can see a world where Margot thought they had to announce me at E-1, but what I DON'T get is why they thought they had to announce I was at E-2. That doesn't make a lick of sense given what I said above.

Ok, I got it. Yea its weird but its a super weird reason to SR someone for. Margot unvoted when she realized it was at e-1 which is NAI(but def not smth scum). About the whole thing announcing someone at E-2, I dont think scum even wants to do that so I think i /think/ it comes from a scum mindset, but again not smth u can TR someone for. So, I think margot sits at null rn. Im a bit worried about you tunneling Margot here, what are your thoughts on other players rn

I'm waiting for T3 to do something *spectacular* and I'm just not seeing it yet. Bringing up site meta and TRing Roden is like ehhh, maybe, but at the same time something feels off since they are not explaining what the heck that is and is just content to say, "Roden is Town." IDK wth that even is... And T3 isn't really giving any reasons for their reads and that's NOT what I know of them.

T3 rarely does something spectacular, but I do agree they'd be a bit more gamesolvey as town

[HockeyFan]

First scum is almost guaranteed to be between LQ and Margot btw. It's pinging me as TvS pretty hard. Pretty sure we can turbo elim both if the first one flips green.

This is like the easiest read to make in this gamestate lol. U dont think Margot can be town?

[HockeyFan]

Okay isoing alsotrmiel, I think they can stay at a TL for me

Okey dokey, here is where I am at.

I am getting strong town sense from Margot, contrary to what some others have said. It seems like she is really trying to sort -- some internal back and forth is good. I really liked 53 although I didn't check the math. It reads to me like a newbie who is really determined to put in the work.

I feel like scum intentioally doesnt have way differnet reads then others

Hockey is a town lean for me, though I disagree with the argument in 94 that withholding information is

always

anti-town. If someone is trying to bait a trap or is an investigation role who doesn't want to share results until they have a guilty, etc, there are some cases where that's good to hold back. If T3 was trying to do a spicy town play, which is totally T3, then not spelling out the details is beneficial. But the way that he's making his argument reads town, even if I disagree with it. Although I just realized it could be scum trying to get info on what the play is. Still not enough to change my read though.

T3 is probably town for the exact reason that Hockey outlined -- it's a huge gambit for scum to do right out the gate, so it seems unlikely.

Roden is null. 77 struck me as weird as well, but I don't see why scum would town lock T3 after that risky play. Then again, he then went on to walk back that town lock in 91.

Clasko and Egix are null.

The Astra slot is a sliiiiight scum lean because even with so few posts and the swift replace out, it seemed like she might have been jumping on the LQ wagon, and her RVS vote was also a wagon.

LQ -- I get a bad sense from 125. It reads a bit like complaining about getting scumread with a liiitle smidgeon of omgus, especially considering they imply that T3's gambit isn't scummy in 57 before bringing in a little more setup speculation.

The main thing that gives me pause is the very fact that LQ is a wagon already. It could be a quick and easy miselim. I also have no interest in pushing anyone to E-1 right now, so I'll leave my vote on the Astra slot for now to put a little extra fire on whoever joins in.

You mentioned in this post that LQ is on a wagon, yet you still SR them? Why dont u think LQ being wagoned makes them town

Overall, tho, I like the geuininesss of these reads enough that they might be town

Since I also took issue with a defensive tone in my reads post, I would say that being overly defensive is suspicious because, up to a point, town should be okay with being suspected — it helps other people develop their reads and everyone solve. Scum OTOH are often much more wary about how they’re perceived and more eager to satisfy town or take down any suspicions as soon and thoroughly as possible.

I say up to a point because, in a case like yours now that you’re a E-1, it becomes more troubling to town because you want to avoid getting mislimmed entirely.

I do agree that Roden’s agreement with T3 in and of itself isn’t AI — I will say that I’m also more confident in my T3 read and think there’s no reason for the two of them to do this as a team, so there is a universe where Roden is pocketing. Still I think it’s more likely for Roden to just also be an eager town.

What makes Roden town? Idt the whole interaction necessarily makes them town, I dont like the soft defending of Roden here, but eh w/e u can stay at null

[HockeyFan]

Switching vote to T3 for what is either some wild scummy behaviour, or a galaxy brain townie that will lead us astray anyway.

If we reveal who tracker is, scum knows who tracker is. They also know that, whatever the setup, there is one town PR left, and if they manage to snipe them, they can take out the tracker, who they 100% already know. Town is automatically far more likely to lose both power roles, if chance alone is factored in.

I mean... I'm not immediately sus of T3's suggestion tbh. I understand your POV, & granted it's a good tool to bring a conf-town into late game, but I like the idea of clearing one potential townie D1 to reduce our elimination pool.

Like, Tracker's kinda meh anyway, until there's only one Mafia left and then, at that point, Tracker can start conf-towning the people who didn't visit, kinda like a pseudo-cop, but it's contingent on correctly eliminating Mafia D1 to be fully effective.

I'm not a Tracker, though, to hopefully get the ball rolling but three people have expressed their disdain for the suggestion, or at least questioned the effectiveness of it, so.

Why would u specifally out that you are not tracker. Dont think town does this? Also this post implies that u dont sr t3 so what changed enough for u to vote them in 216?

T3: I'm willing to see how this slot plays out. I'm not prepared to close the door to a T3 D1 elimination. It feels like they're townlocking whomever townreads them at this point, which honestly just puts my back up. It's difficult to discuss this slot due to PR shenanigans.

I think you need to elaborate on this T3 read

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

Lol what, voting someone that you dont even SR. Also if you are voting them, why do u expect them to be a green flip?

I think this slot may actually be scum besdies thier towny ish reads earlier

[HockeyFan]

Hi fellow townies(and T3), hope u have fun this game. Btw @Astra and @MargotRosa, what is your expericne playing mafia.

With that being said,

time to vote mafia

VOTE: T3

Hey there! Never played in forum format, but played a lot of quick chat room format a few years ago after playing a bit with my university drama society, because of course that was a hotbed of RP games

VOTE: Clasko

Piplup is GOAT.

Honestly, having hard opinions on a gen of Pokemon starters that aren't 1 or the most recent one in 2021 is pretty sus.

VOTE: Roden

VOTE: Margot

You're forgetting that the D/P remakes are coming out later this year. Also, "honestly" tell.

P.S. Hockey is town on vibes.

Thanks for pocket vote, will pocket you back

Reads update:
Roden - Slight town lean for 72 and 75, as he feels genuinely annoyed about how scum keep getting away with things, and in the case of the latter post, that shows that he is willing to accept other perspectives instead of just tunnelling.

Margot - Has trended downwards since the beginning, mainly because, since stating that she had an "Absolutely scum read on T3" in 53 (if you'll pardon the grammar mistake), she has kept walking it back (56 "I'm not saying T3 is definitely scum.", 88, 96). Her recent mixup is a counterpoint, but it feels like as soon as Clasko posted 55, she realised that her T3 push would not be as viable as she thought.

Quickety - 69 is mildly pinging me because it feels like the last two lines were slapped on just so that the post wouldn't be a one-liner. There's also 47, but that one feels more thonk-y/weird than actually scummy.

===

I would be interested in seeing if Alstro or Clasko have anything to add currently.

Intresting set of reads here tbh, I dont think I like any of them? Can you give /another/ reads update @egix, k ty

Same question to you as I had to Turtwig: Any of my reads you vibe/don't vibe with?

I'm not really seeing any issues with how you've been going about explaining your reads thus far, and I'm willing to admit you may have a point about Margot in 120.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alstroemerial

^ Not feeling super confident in this vote as of rn, but it's better than idling.

Dont like this throwaway vote either, possible another SL but not confident in that rn

[HockeyFan]

cant be botherd to iso Lickety much, but I think their general reaction to being voted so early is town+ althought they did tunnel on Margot a bit. kinda an omgus of an omgus if that makes sense?

[HockeyFan]

I think this slot /may/ be towny since they were willing to question T3 on

why

tracker should claim, which maybe comes from scum who doesnt want a confirmed townie but I think it think comes from town rn

Ok, my current reads list. Apologies for text wall

Lean Town:

Currently, I think both T3 and Roden lean town. The more I read through the logs, the more I second guessed my initial scum read. The three minutes between T3's first posts, and the post to out tracker #22 definitely tripped my senses a lot, as it felt like brief time spent hatching a scheme, but that could just as easily come to what Roden is talking about, which I think I may have actually worked out. Roden feels like more of a wildcard than T3 at this point, but nothing that really makes me go one way or the other. Glad that I stuck to it a bit longer than warranted though, because it's definitely given good info.

Hockey: Hard to say, but slight town lean. Points all make sense, but also could point to a long con (see, for instance, lots of early, aimless banter [#7, #8, #13, #14, #16, #18], and later planting the idea that scum lay low early game [#62, #122], which could easily be a very base ploy to take heat off).

Null

Egix: Has laid low most of the game. [post=#p12939319]111[/post] makes me want to give him benefit of the doubt.



Astra is totally null for me atm. I think the fact she had to drop out early means posts will be hard to interpret. Nothing to go on, and I'll treat as a fresh slate when slot is refilled.

Lean scum

Clasko: Had very minimal engagement early on. Dropped in at #50 through #52 to post 3 nothing comments, with a followup meh reflection on RQS at 54. Seemed pretty cool with T3’s tracker idea at #55, but then seemed open to a d1 elimination for T3 in #118. Has a scum read on Hockey, which is interesting #115. Reasoning seems pretty flaky, when there are much better reasons to scum read him imo. Highest conf is on LQ, purely for the ordering of his slots, which blows my mind.

LQ: Way more interesting than Hockey's immediate question at T3 for the tracker play [post=#p12936791]#23[/post] which wasn't even really a callout, just a one word question that was left for several posts and almost five hours, was LQ resurrecting by restating the question [post=#p12937132]#32[/post]. Takes the heat off of you by shifting it onto someone who can be named as the instigator. Extra odd given that LQ later said that they knew tracker reveal was site meta, leading one to think that they would know exactly why T3 wanted to reveal tracker (see #80, #132). On top of that, they have been incredibly defensive throughout d1 (wanted Roden to go through past game logs to see their history of RQS v RVS in #38 and #39, defensive at Astra's veeeery loose scum read #68, defensive about T3 and Roden explanations as to why they voted #125). Attack on Roden for not sharing info, looks extra weird in this context (see #87), as I think it makes perfect sense as to why Roden wouldn't want to share info.

Alstro had minimal engagement early on. Only non-obvious read in #130 is a strong town read on me, and that could very easily be getting onside a slot who is making hard claims early in the game. Also, reading everyone as null or above other than two players already pointed out as behaving in an obviously odd way (Astra and LQ) feels like a safe play, especially when Astra is being subbed out and therefore justifying an opinion change later on. I have also been reading into the read lists a bit too much probably, but they line up for Alstro and LQ to be scum team (Alstro mentions a very loose scum read on LQ that's easy to walk back, but useful to make them seem like town if LQ gets smoked).

The only thing I /dont like/ that makes me hesistnat to TR them is this reads list above. This reads list just came after they were finished questioning T3, and they dont even have t3 in thier reads list? Didnt you just SR them? kinda wack

[HockeyFan]

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

RQS is a scum tell. It's an irrelevant question that's just there to make you look busy.

VOTE: LQ

What is everyone's experience playing Mafia?

I've been playing on MS semi-regularly since I joined.

VOTE: Margot

You're forgetting that the D/P remakes are coming out later this year. Also, "honestly" tell.

P.S. Hockey is town on vibes.

What do you have against honesty?

It's nothing major, but it's simply that scum sometimes have a tendency to overuse words that they think will "sound" more towny.

Had a newbie game where someone said "tbh" over thirty times and turned out to be scum. They still won even after it was pointed out as a scum tell too.

I dont like this post, smells like a mafia taking away the good vibes away from town

T3, 1 question for you. Even if your crackpot theory DOES work, why force claim tracker to claim d1 f1. While I still hate the idea of a PR claiming d1, im more on the side of the tracker claiming late d1, after we've had good discusscion. If your answer is "tracker might get pushed", who cares? By that time, we will hopefully have 2-3 susses and we can just pivot to the 2nd one

I think I know why T3's going for this and I'm just gonna town lock him now.

I mean, prolonging RQS and to keep talking about it beyond your first few posts is sus sure. But the person who did RQS this game(Lickety), did not prolong and even got some /starter/ reads(Only serious read is the TR on me, but still, Lickety did get some info, so sure RQS may be easy town cred for little effort but Idt thats the case in this game

This is a fair point actually.

tring t3 seems like a BALLSY move, but i think its in thier scumrange

[HockeyFan]

Hey Hockey you should trust me when I say rodentown.

and thats why? i stg if u say "mEtA", I am going to be sad

He knows exactly what is going on.

Doesnt mean they're town, Honeslty idk what to quote in t3's iso because its all weird stuff, like locktowning roden like wut? This isnt town gameplay but t3 never exhibits town gameplay, so put them at null. I do agree with the last 2 posts althought Idk how /true/ it is

[HockeyFan]

I think my current reads are

TLS;
Lickety
Astro
Margot

Null: T3,Egix

SL: Clakso,Roden

Im gonna wait before I try to read Strange, I need more posts

[HockeyFan]

Hockey, are you an alt? You mention things like my scum range but I don't think I've ever played with you before?

No I havent, I just assume everyone who I play with on fourm is good at playing scum kek. Can you link some of your scum games if u have any ty

[HockeyFan]

@StrangeMatter

Welcome.

Ok fine I'll just claim so we can get T3/Roden to play the game!! I am tracker, im gonna go for the night so i will probs re read game tmr afternoon or smh after work

If you aren't countering his claim, then Hockey is conftown.
(sorry for the SL, Hockey)

I…don’t actually think he actually is claiming Tracker, and just joking about this. Are you also just joking about them being confirmed Town?

Speaking of which, I saw in your posts you said you were following Lickity’s vote, and to me that’s just…not something I see from Town players. Most Town has votes on the same person if information that points towards scum, not outright saying they’ll just follow votes.

So can you give me a good reason why you’re voting the same person as Lickity?

No, I am hard claiming Tracker

[HockeyFan]

Ok take 2 answering Hockey’s 224, cliff notes cause I don’t want to retype everything ;-;

1: that’s why there’s the “gives me pause” phrase: I find LQ’s behavior scummy independently. However the wagon is what’s holding me back. It is possible that it is a town-driven wagon, maybe with a bussing partner. So LQ is low on the list but I didn’t move my vote with all that.

2: I liked Roden’s answers to your questioning regarding withholding information. Also liked the post to T3 that was like, “let’s move on from this tracker thing as it’s distracting from scumhunting.”

Ah Gotcha, This is probs town

I think strange's tone feels a bit off, but eh not reading into that too much since i cant read them very well

Lickety is still town, what does FPS mean tho

[HockeyFan]

VOTE: Clasko

Yeah, I feel like this is money. I think that was an actual slip tbh.

Uhh... I'll join in with LQ here for the time being even though a green flip doesn't say much at this moment in time:

VOTE: T3

Okay, I goofed. In Clasko's ISO, the FIRST place green shows up is in Roden's nested quote, but then the last post is where Clasko says it's a green check. This actually erases the TL on T3 because it WASN'T that T3 was doing FPS. So I have T3 as a Null currently. Sometimes I get stuff wrong because I am ADHD so bad, so be patient with me.

Hmmm, nice switch up between 250/259(Im aware this is cuz of your ADHD and I am not calling you scum), but its intresting

Point is, anyone can perapective slip.

VOTE: Clasko

Yeah, I feel like this is money. I think that was an actual slip tbh.

I'm finding it hard to believe Clasko slipped like that. I want to see his response first before discussing it more, but I genuinely don't think scum would make that careless of a mistake, and I think he actually gets some accidental town points for that. If you're voting Clasko, it should be because he voted T3 when he isn't even a scum read.

Roden looks bad if Clakso flips red here. Not calling it a slip is 1 thing, actually giving them TOWN points for it seems so weird like what?

[HockeyFan]

Why would I look bad if Clasko flips red? I don't think it was a slip, I genuinely just think you guys are interpreting his post poorly.

Its about giving him town points which is eh to me

[HockeyFan]

Why would I look bad if Clasko flips red? I don't think it was a slip, I genuinely just think you guys are interpreting his post poorly.

Its about giving him town points which is eh to me

Did you read why I gave him town points? My point was that scum wouldn't be that careless to genuinely slip like that. You said earlier that you play like scum are competent so I'm not sure why it pings you that I'm doing the same.

Sure, they wouldnt be careless, but at the end of the day this is all WIFOM. You can give them town points, sure,

[HockeyFan]

^^ above message cut off, meant to say You can give them town points, sure, but it was just a bit weird to me, I think I take that read above but still think you're scum indivually. i think egix's scum equity has gone up too recently

[HockeyFan]

Roden is 100% town. Please shep me on this.

Fine

I agree that the

“I feel meh about this flip but I’m gonna vote it anyway”

is worse than the green comment.

However, I’ll ask Clasko this. What would you make of a red T3 flip?

Is this smth CLkaso said?(the bolded), cuz I cant find it; granted my brains on 2 hours of sleep.

Also I think Strange is town because the content they have made as a replace in is wayyy different then when they replaced in the game newbie 2071(they replaced into a scum slot), so while I hate reading ppl on meta, i think strange is probs town

[HockeyFan]

Locktown: Hockey, Strange, Roden
Town: LQ
POE: Everyone else

Im still not sold on the Locktowning of Roden but other than that,


wtf why do gifs always end up that small

[HockeyFan]

^^ above message cut off, meant to say You can give them town points, sure, but it was just a bit weird to me, I think I take that read above but still think you're scum indivually. i think egix's scum equity has gone up too recently

If you were not an unCCed tracker, I would have been omgussing you so hard for offhandedly shading me like that.

[HockeyFan]

Locktown: Hockey, Strange, Roden
Town: LQ
POE: Everyone else

Agree with this partly.

Strange seems to be acting townie, and I had a slight suspicion that Astra would not have pulled out if she had rolled Scum (which is very metagamey, which is why I didn't bring it up earlier).

Roden is still a strong Town lean for me, but I don't think I'd lock town yet.

I don't know that LQ has done much to assuage my earlier suspicions. I feel like people backed down from the scum read mainly on the basis of it being a bit of a pile on, and the fact that once I spelled out what I saw as the difference between scum defensiveness and townie defensiveness it changed.

The team I can most easily imagine in my head (which is admittedly pretty wonky at present) still remains Alstro and LQ, but that's a long shot, and doesn't really mean much day 1. Plus, Alstro has been acting far more Townie than previously.

Clasko's an interesting one, though I don't see the slip as an actual slip. Just seems like unfortunate phrasing.

Still think clearest bet for me right now remains LQ.

Who do you think is partners with LQ?

Slightly worrying that five people aren't voting right now, and No Votes don't tell us anything, so, maybe change that and stuff.

I'll probably rearrange/update my reads list in #267 next time I check in because that post was kinda scattered towards the bottom, there.

Why? we have 4 days left

[HockeyFan]

I keep feeling like alstro is not really doing much. I feel like they are just posting to post - like they know they have to post something so they do, but none of it is really convincing because of so much hedging language (which is usually a Scum tell).

Agree but I think thier content has been /towny/ enough.

My reads are pretty similar to 231 except maybe havign strange as a tl, and margot to null

[HockeyFan]

I keep feeling like alstro is not really doing much. I feel like they are just posting to post - like they know they have to post something so they do, but none of it is really convincing because of so much hedging language (which is usually a Scum tell).

Agree but I think thier content has been /towny/ enough.

My reads are pretty similar to 231 except maybe havign strange as a tl, and margot to null

What are you seeing about Strange that is Townie? Hard for me to get a read there. Why did Margot move to Null?

Its mainly a meta read: 296. As for Margot Null, im not seeing enough content from them atm, sure their content at the very beginning was townish

I keep feeling like alstro is not really doing much. I feel like they are just posting to post - like they know they have to post something so they do, but none of it is really convincing because of so much hedging language (which is usually a Scum tell).

Agree but I think thier content has been /towny/ enough.

My reads are pretty similar to 231 except maybe havign strange as a tl, and margot to null

I don't know that LQ has done much to assuage my earlier suspicions. I feel like people backed down from the scum read mainly on the basis of it being a bit of a pile on, and the fact that once I spelled out what I saw as the difference between scum defensiveness and townie defensiveness it changed.

If I have your reasoning right for why I am Scum it is because my defensiveness changed after you said I was being defensive? And that just because the wagon developed doesn't mean I am Town? I can still be reasonable sometimes just like I can be defensive sometimes. When I explained to alstro that defensiveness isn't a Scum tell for me, the reached the conclusion that it is person dependent whereas you still think me being defensive is a Scum tell. I'm just trying to tell you here that being defensive isn't AI for me. Make of that what you will but it's true.

My point was more that this was the reason I saw that people backed down from SRing you. My reasoning has been detailed elsewhere, and my point was that you haven't done much to assuage those suspicions. You are far from LS for me, but definitely on my radar.

Who do you think is partners with LQ?

Not sure lol. I really need to think through it all. GTMH, it's Alstro, but I honestly don't know, because they've been acting pretty Townie recently

Is anyone able to explain why they Tr Austro (blame phone) in less vague terms than this? As of yet I am unconvinced.

Idk man, its mainly vibes/tonal. I like 130 and 146 and thier recent content has been towny too

[HockeyFan]

I don't know what to do rn
My reads are the same.

Theres a thing called pushing people, smh T3.

alstro is PoE.

What happened to Clasko?

He posted.

Wut? Scum post too... Like wth, man. What's with all this super weak reasoning?

Yes but
good vibes posts

Are you every going to explain anything this game?

Its t3, he never explains anything

Also; this whole Roden/Strange interaction is so odd that I WANT to say its w/w but its probably t/w

[HockeyFan]

gg's wp to Roden, game was fun to spec, sorry for having to replace out.

1 thing tho, idk why Roden was being mass tr'd in that f4 lol. I found Margot townier than Roden but again, I would probs condemed t3 there so lol.

Thanks Penguin for modding!