Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

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VOTE: cat scratch fever

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kitty!! Hi hi how've you been?

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hey kitty hey gamma how would you rate the first 7 pages of this game out of 5? any highlights?

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3, perhaps a 4
main highlight might be interactions with thor

spicy - what are your reads looking like based on interactions with thor? who are thor's scumbuddies?

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Maybe a 2, I feel like I usually have more gutreads by page 8 whereas I don't here...

dangit.
i'm town if that helps

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did I say I SRed Thor?

you said it with your eyes

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what are your reads looking like based on interactions with thor?

still p interested in this when you're around again gamma

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ok. i'm gonna draw some fan-art of your scumread of thor.

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imagine getting outdrafted by memers

haley

y'all deserved #

you know i nearly submitted 69 or 420 but then decided to just stick with 3

does harvey have any reads yet?

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aw nooo. i don't get any good vibes from #202 at all.

i did think it was kinda funny that gamma gave a s/o to thor's interactions after completely non-interacting with thor and not actually being able to state any opinions on thor's interactions lol, i'm not sure i'd expect gamma to have entered the ~~zone~~ this early in the game though.

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Hi, Worst!

heyo bee nice to meet you!

Hi duck. Two questions:

1.) How are you doing today; and,
2.) Are you excited to have rolled scum?

hi penguin. two replies:

1) i'm doing like, fairly normal today, thanks. the day got off to a slow start and then i saw i had a scum role pm from datisi for open 825 and my mood

soared

. how are you?
2) not really. i'm town and it sucks.

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This about you, not me. You can see my mood on the first page.

Follow up question: why the number you picked and why is it a duck’s favorite number?

highest number i can count before running out of fingers

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it's manatee!! what's new friend?

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my username!!!

good point, i dig it!
any reason you're maintaining your vote on penguin? i need to pocket him to get into mid/late game, so i need to be overtly aggressive about my read on him.

ok. i'm gonna draw some fan-art of your scumread of thor.

Show me when you get a chance

it's not my best work, but it's a fresh genre and i feel i've really advanced the expressionist zeitgeist of its first generation.

Spoiler: needlessly big

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i'd say you're having an average-to-poor time at best, maybe a 3.7/10?

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VOTE: manatee

But I'm being knighted by so many Gamma Emeralds at once... I am now Uber Sir Thor

o- oh
yes.. i am extremely happy for you.

i did think it was kinda funny that gamma gave a s/o to thor's interactions after completely non-interacting with thor and not actually being able to state any opinions on thor's interactions lol, i'm not sure i'd expect gamma to have entered the ~~zone~~ this early in the game though.

... Is Gamma the kind of player you expect would directly engage someone first before making a read though?

He pointed out that Thor's interactions were a highlight before admitting to the scumread, doesn't that indicate some level of organic thought? The way you phrased this makes his actions seem much more aggressive wrt attacking Thor and refusing to engage.

-Harvey

you're assigning a lot to my words here!

i am pretty sure gamma doesn't actually scumread thor
where are you getting the idea that I thought Gamma was aggressively avoidant? where are you getting the idea that i think gamma is attacking Thor?

the bit i can respond to:

... Is Gamma the kind of player you expect would directly engage someone first before making a read though?

:shrug:
sometimes he does, sometimes he does not
it struck me as interesting that thor's interactions were his highlight despite not being a part of said interactions. made me think gamma is more likely building to something. it's a tell that gamma is playing, not an alignment tell.

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was that saskeismyyaoikismesis? i'd need to check

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@harvey have you read gamma's iso?

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i'm pretty disinterested in this part of the solving process but friendly reminder, anyone who picked higher than ~12 is probably trying to tank the top draft positions.

pedit:
@harvey i don't really feel compelled to vote you guys.
first instinct is that your misread of my post is an authentic misread ~60% of the time and trying to look busy like ~40% of the time. i'm just like, really confused by how you actually got there. i'll meditate on it later.

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that's probably better said backwards: anyone who picks higher than ~12 isn't going for one of the top draft positions. when you're counting scum strategy, i'm not sure whether it's meaningful analysing meme picks in isolation, rather than putting meme picks + deliberately high picks together.

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you know, i was so excited to play with CSF again, too.

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i think haley can probably tell you why i didn't vote haley for 202. :p

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you know, i was so excited to play with CSF again, too.

Is there something stopping that? You make it sound like she died, or worse: replaced out.

could you imagine? i shudder to think.
but no, nothing unironic. if CSF or i had chosen different numbers, the other would have won the draft.

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you know, i was so excited to play with CSF again, too.

Is there something stopping that? You make it sound like she died, or worse: replaced out.

could you imagine? i shudder to think.
but no, nothing unironic. if CSF or i had chosen different numbers, the other would have won the draft.

Ah, gotcha. Still, look on the bright side and just think of it as bringing you two closer together instead. Isn't friendship more important than power roles?

I'll concede friendship is the greatest force in the world. But power roles are a very close second.

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can we make a one-off PYPX/Y game with entirely unbalanced roles?

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Why my thoughts? It's because together we're the most stylish in the playerlist, isn't it? It is, I knew it.

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ohhh i have a new favourite person in this playerlist

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this gif also made me like, laugh abruptly.

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not to mention an azelf, a god, a duck-fox and a bee.

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VOTE: the worst

sorry ducky!

i feel like you're kinda voting me under duress here, so no need to be sorry - the alignment rand is a cruel master.

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VOTE: Enchant

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I fear no man.

But that... Thing.

VOTE: Enchant

It scares me.

This made me snort.

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He's obviously referring to Cat Scratch Fever.

So was I, of course. I mean, have you seen that cat GIF avatar? Adorable. Easy number one cutest.

I thought CSF was his favorite coming in
So it has to be someone else now

I don't play favourites.

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I thirst for competing wagons and yet.....I yearn for manatee AI content... aaaahh

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no ducky no
the enchant wagon is righteous
keep looking forward. I believe in you.

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how do you feel about my....

signature

...

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perhaps a question for another time - a casual drink in rio perhaps
I digress

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not to mention an azelf, a god, a duck-fox and a bee.

Also a gem, a doctor, and a Titus
(Btw the Magician portion is the more descriptive part of Flea’s name, Flea is in reference to a musician)

I am just that unique

you were a penguin, you are a master of disguise, you are a lunarian stroller. it's hard to summarise you in one noun.

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But, it would matter more if he rolled high in the draft.

astute - it feels more like a response to a dialogue than a guilty overjustification.

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VOTE: House
I think manatee's handling of the wagon on her seems towny

same

this is an honourary vote on House but I don't feel like letting the enchant wagon fizzle yet.

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Oh, and for anyone wondering why i picked 4 (I remember someone askeda general question about picks), it's my favorite low level number and i wasn't concerned about rolling PR because i don't want my possible miselim for low content hurting town.

Feels like this is trying too hard to justify yourself.

it makes sense tho

It's not about whether or not the explanation makes sense. It's about the motivation in doing so in the first place, and the way in which it's done.

It's a weird thing to say with limited speech I guess, but other than that I see nothing wrong with it

Oh, and for anyone wondering why i picked 4 (I remember someone askeda general question about picks), it's my favorite low level number and i wasn't concerned about rolling PR because i don't want my possible miselim for low content hurting town.

Feels like this is trying too hard to justify yourself.

I feel like this is fine, but dropping a vote on Manatee without comment on the quickly formed counterwagon is what feels a bit off to me...?

-H

i mirror this thought process

okay I didn't see H+H's post, they may have a point too

basically I think what House did when he popped in was kinda wolfy
while the read is weak for now I feel like this sort of read has served me well in the past

this is kind of where I'm at. explaining to myself why I'm pro House wagon feels really abstract.

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This about you, not me. You can see my mood on the first page.

Follow up question: why the number you picked and why is it a duck’s favorite number?

highest number i can count before running out of fingers

Solid answer

Is it though? I can hit 12 and 32 on 1 hand depending how I do it.

I'm a duck. Small brain, few fingers.

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Good posting from Penguin, pretty bad posting from Gamma.

Agree, disagree.

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VOTE: House
I think manatee's handling of the wagon on her seems towny

same

this is an honourary vote on House but I don't feel like letting the enchant wagon fizzle yet.

You might as well vote me, you've just removed any pressure your vote otherwise may have carried.

don't tell me what to do!!! if you want votes on you vote yourself

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I repeat, don't tell me what to do. I negligently misrep when and wherever I please. Is this conversation going anywhere?

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can you dictionary check yourself on "disingenuous"
I'm completely fine listening to you but that looks like a throwaway meta case against gamma basically saying he gut scumreads your pop-ins right? Can you descend to the level of us mere mortals and explain what about that actually strikes you as disingenuous?

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I repeat, don't tell me what to do. I negligently misrep when and wherever I please. Is this conversation going anywhere?

Depends, are you done wasting your vote on a wagon you no longer support?

noo

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I feel like I'm having a fever dream about someone getting wagoned in a game of mafia lol

Housey my friend any thoughts on 388?

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also why are you voting manatee out of those on your wagon..

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can you dictionary check yourself on "disingenuous"
I'm completely fine listening to you but that looks like a throwaway meta case against gamma basically saying he gut scumreads your pop-ins right? Can you descend to the level of us mere mortals and explain what about that actually strikes you as disingenuous?

I have no incentive to address your questions.

Perhaps if i believed that you actually think i might be scum, i might be persuaded.

I think we're on very different wavelengths as players! If this is a tantrum, please reach out to me when you settle down. If not, I'll just focus on the parts of the playerlist who are actually playing.

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You know there's 11 townies and 3 scum right? If people only ever talk to the % of the playerlist they scumread, this would be a very stilted game. I talk to my nullreads long before I talk to my scumreads.

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If this is a tantrum

also why are you voting manatee out of those on your wagon..

Stupid question is stupid.

That's dirty play and I'll have none of it.

VOTE: Gamma

Vote fucking parked until one of us is dead.

third eye opened

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*blinks*

Did you blink with your third eye? Everything makes a lot more sense afterward.

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do you want something else to get you through this?

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house, on a serious note, i think you might benefit from giving the thread a minute to breathe.

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i probably should have said that both ways. gamma, it looks like house is taking a step back - please don't keep poking him.

i think {pp, ge, ss, titus} has 3-4 town in it. i also have shitty surface townreads on {csf, thor, ha+ha}.

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i think thor falls out of that bracket before anyone else.
i want to townread miss midnight but i'm scared of miss midnight. (in a good way)

house, on a serious note, i think you might benefit from giving the thread a minute to breathe.

I'll go one better.

The reason i was voting Manatee was because that's where my vote already was since my first post.

ah gotcha, thanks.

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sadly, that option isn't a thing.

i can tell i'm fading out, i'm at work and i can't really solve off this dialogue. please @ me if you want bad opinions about reads.

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sadly, that option isn't a thing.

fr?
what happens if you don't submit anything?

you should be replaced i believe.

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also why is titus town?

enchant wagon is righteous, and her way of interacting with miss midnight about it felt organic to me.

for the record, prior to that i was dead null on titus and starting to lean town on miss midnight - i was a bit lazy on my first read of enchant.

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i'd literally reply "good for you, let me know when you pick a role". it feels like a pretty significant balancing factor, plus playing to wincon etc. - i'm not sure if it's a hard-and-fast rule for this setup so maybe this is a datisi question. but i definitely wouldn't let it fly, fwiw.

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you townread flea?

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OH YDRASSE HI

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Yes!! Can't believe you just pretended you didn't know me. >.>

i'm sorryyyy i didn't click the sig links until now :c
it's great to see you again.

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i think there's groovier reasons to vote house but the house wagon is literally fine. if i had to give it a score out of 10, i'd refuse, and say "it's fine".

i think house will actually generate more quality content if we stop talking about house vs. gamma.

outsourcing all opinions to titus while i'm busy.

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i appreciate you stepping back when you did house. there was definitely at least an element of misunderstanding, and it's cool that we've moved past it so quickly.

(just to be clear this is me-as-a-user saying this, not me-as-a-mod.)

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yup, agreed.

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i probably should have said that both ways. gamma, it looks like house is taking a step back - please don't keep poking him.

i think {pp, ge, ss, titus} has 3-4 town in it. i also have shitty surface townreads on {csf, thor, ha+ha}.

Think S_S and Titus reads here are too quick.

Is there a more targeted purpose for this post? I reserve my right to change my reads every 30 seconds.

Also disagree on Thor.

Me too.

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Good posting from Penguin, pretty bad posting from Gamma.

Agree, disagree.

Same

Neutral posting from Penguin, good posting from Gamma

Good posting from Penguin, neutral posting from gamma.

i'd say neutral-trending-upwards from gamma, but yeah.

Is there a more targeted purpose for this post? I reserve my right to change my reads every 30 seconds.

I often like to

pretend to

be super cool by shrouding myself in mystery and being enigmatic, but this time there isn't. Just figured I'd share my thoughts when catching up. Maybe in doing so get to hear your response.

I do regret saying that before reading the very next post where you say Thor falls out first, though. Apologies if that bothers you.

That's fine. If I criticised for catch-up spam, I'd have to acknowledge my own flaws, and that is not something I intend to do anytime soon.

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Honourary vote on the Thor wagon. Staying on Enchant for now.

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I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

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I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

Can I interest you in a vote there? If not, why not?

roughly my fourth or fifth choice atm
I don't have a strong read there at all, but I also don't really think either of those users respond to early wagons in a way that's useful. :p

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MM and House team confirmed.

I wish i was as towny as MM.

could you talk to me about your townread on MM? i'm going in circles there.

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Feels to me like he didn't like our interaction and has been trying to "turn it off" before suspicion sets in on him.

Yes, he doesn't like your interaction and has been trying to turn it off. I sincerely doubt this is because of his alignment.

I recommend you just drop it.

100 emoji

Feels to me like he didn't like our interaction and has been trying to "turn it off" before suspicion sets in on him.

Yes, he doesn't like your interaction and has been trying to turn it off. I sincerely doubt this is because of his alignment.

I recommend you just drop it.

You seem to understand his perspective better than I, can YOU tell me how I came across in bad faith?

He made a clear "I'm going to follow the crowd" post, then got evasive when i asked him about it.

How does that make ME into the bad guy, here?

"bad guy" is not the phrase i'd use. penguin has been on his front foot so far this game, and intending to temporarily back-seat is clearly because he wants someone else to do something else. don't think it was deliberately bad faith-ey of you to assume he was slacking, but i do think there was more to his comment.

VOTE: thorenchantthorenchantthorenchantthorenchantthorenchantthorenchant arhghgh

VOTE: enchant

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haha imagine having stat analysis be a scumtell for you haha that would be so wild haha
imagine

haha

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i co-sign #602, for what it's worth. there are some parts of that which we should probably just eat around.

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I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

tw, I was actually expecting you to soul scumread me by now.

-Harvey

any particular reason why?
guilty conscience, maybe~~~

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roughly my fourth or fifth choice atm

Did you not say you had a shitty surface level townread on us before? What caused the demotion to 4th/5th choice of wagon?

ur still pretty close to null and wagoning you would do things, sure, but there's others i wanna wagon more.
my read on you hasn't really changed, i'm just a bad duck who would vote a nulltown read if the mood came upon me.

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any particular reason why?

Yes, I made a resolution before joining the game that I'd not hopelessly refresh the page every minute and just appear twice a day for a while. I was expecting you would make a comment on my slot's lack of thread energy.

-Harvey

Ahahaha
It's been like a day
Your content is kinda like, about where I'd expect

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VOTE: Thor

pedit: and enchant?

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hmm
can you explain why I'm tempted to join you on CSF?

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Sorry that's a wild tangent. My enchant thought was a lot less interesting.

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How so? Gimme your read on the numbers. Expand as much as you like, fuckery welcome.

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could you expand on Thor and Ha+Ha for me?

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How so? Gimme your read on the numbers. Expand as much as you like, fuckery welcome.

Okay, in a bit

unironically so excited for this

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Any reason for townreading Thor which isn't meta off one game?

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I think Thor missed the only part of statistical analysis which is actually relevant to this game and I'm wondering if that's negligent enough that it's agenda indicative.

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Id assert that 6+/14 of the plist did not try to win the draft which means scum are statistically more likely (maybe more likely than ever?) to be amongst the memers.

Consider that we know for a fact scum didn't choose 1, or 2, or 4. Omit SS and myself (who always pick our numbers) at a minimum - idk about anyone else. SS and I can still be scum, obviously, but that probably leaves 6/14 of the plist who chose their numbers specifically to perform well in the draft.

I'd be pretty shocked if scum weren't involved in some number fudging this game.

But what I do have are the draft numbers selected by 45 scum across 15 games:

1 - xxxxxxxxx
2 - xxx
3 - xxx
4 - xxxx
5 - xxxx
6 - xxxx
7 - x
8 - xxxx
9 - x
10 - xx
11 - xx
12 - x
13 - x
15 - x
20 - x
22 - x
42 - xx
413 - x

As well as Titus, it probably makes Harvey and Haley town as well, scum really don't seem to like going for high or meme numbers; 69 would be the second highest on this list

I'm not sure if it's malicious either but this struck me like a bolt of lightning when I saw how the bid shook out. :/ I'm kinda surprised the talk about the draft has been so...normal.

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correct me if I'm wrong obviously, I don't think 13 15 etc. are earnest attempts to perform well in the draft given frequency of lower numbers picked historically. I think 10 is intentionally chosen to outperform as many duplicates as possible safely, so that feels earnest.

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I forgot people chose 4, typo. The analysis is fine in the abstract, I'm just blonde irl.

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correct me if I'm wrong obviously, I don't think 13 15 etc. are earnest attempts to perform well in the draft given frequency of lower numbers picked historically. I think 10 is intentionally chosen to outperform as many duplicates as possible safely, so that feels earnest.

Not in a vacuum, but I'm assuming scum would have access to these stats - and if I were doing my due diligence I'd collect statistics of

all picks

, not just scum picks to go for the best bet to avoid collisions.

That data might suggest 13+ as a safer choice without much compromise. Curious to see if there's a cliff in the overall data.

-Harvey

ah ya sorry that's my point - I think there's a >rand chance scum have done something intentionally improbable with the draft and I feel uncomfortable with the idea that people have done numerical analysis without also feeling like they're in some topsy turvy timeline where numbers are fake

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i think their engagement and inquisition w other players is a pretty good look

You are having a giggle, right?

this & subsequent post made me smile but I buy the townread honestly. lol. ha+ha aren't a popular townread and reading them positively isn't winning managal any popularity points.

I think both heads of ha+ha are capable of doing this as either alignment. they're still firmly within scumrange. I just think I can buy managal townreading there for now.

The read needs to get more nuanced or take a backseat or I'll start scumreading her tho.

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Harvey you actually going to do anything except idle poking this game?

this is on brand harvey

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Do you see the reason the Thor wagon is happening? o:

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Nvm I'll talk to you about Thor in a day or two if that's cool
How do you feel about mr emerald?

pedit: same

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hey house. who are gamma's partners?

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This is prodgey, and sorry if I've missed anything drastic, but this wagon is exciting.

VOTE: miss midnight

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And you didn't see this for other wagons?

Nope. Could just be that I wasn't paying attention to the thread when people were posting about them, or that they weren't there.

I know that there was a lot of ~playing the game~ that just kinda went over my head because it felt like everyone was just going through the motions of playing mafia and not actually producing any interesting content. So it's entirely possible that I missed something during that.

As I was saying earlier, it feels lazy and devoid of any further thought.

I mean he specifically referenced the existence of further thought... why not ask about his other reasons, instead of assuming he has none?

This isn't 20 questions, or an interview. I agree that it's good to ask people questions to actually see what they think when sorting them. But what someone doesn't post is just as much evidence for their alignment as what they do post. Sometimes, it's actually a lot more evidence.

Ew.

This post gives me the icks.

Does it? I liked it. I'm not sure if it really helped me sorting anyone but I liked it. Interested in if you can qualify a bit further - there's something similar there to your "why would I respond to you if you aren't voting me?" thing earlier but maybe on a different wavelength.

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forgot to comment on 1182. a naked "same" would have done it.

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I've never had a wrong read on day one. sometimes I just lie about my reads to keep up the tension.

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Oh neat trick, what alignment is Miss Midnight?

left!

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My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.

Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.

pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald

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I'm not even scared of God, but I'm scared of Miss Midnight.

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I don't really feel attached to any of my townreads this game. I'm not sure if I'm rusty or if this game is off to a significantly less telling start or what.

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Could someone who was scum... make this??

ah dang I'm pocketed again.

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My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.

Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.

pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald

Why is this pedit aligned to the right? I wasn't able to spot it easily.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-Harvey

because miss midnight is not left aligned, my mistake

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if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

Town.

kind of agree but with far less certainty :p

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if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

Town.

Hard disagree.

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

.. after enchant was a popular wagon, but while enchant is still low hanging fruit?

I don't think that's a particularly intuitive move for scum there unless they're trying to look scummy. :p

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I think you're overstating or overthinking your own importance/ the importance of events surrounding you when it comes to the thread at large. I think that this is probably town indicative.

No. What's important is the notice behind actions.

If she had jumped off you like that after pushing you from your first post in the game, I'd say the same thing.

you have a very acute view of how town operate

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Idk

Not really feeling either the Gamma or the Enchant wagon

don't feel bad for this, stock in the enchant wagon is tanking and you're in a good spot

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What's troubling about it?

I wouldn't expect 2 of my scumreads to make up half of a wagon if I'm right.

this is gonna be a long game isn't it

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If something need to be done, make it self.

VOTE: Penquin

I am bad with accusations, but i think he is maf. It's of course hilarious i accuse him of inactivity, but that's truth. I expect from mafia to hide in plain sight and blend in, which he doing perfectly, considering almost no one bat a eye on him (there was votes but they disappear very fast).

aw dang I like this so much more than I expected to

still like lukewarm town on penquin though

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if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

Town.

Hard disagree.

She used it as an excuse to hop off me because my wagon dissipated.

.. after enchant was a popular wagon, but while enchant is still low hanging fruit?

I don't think that's a particularly intuitive move for scum there unless they're trying to look scummy. :p

Are you suggesting that i should project my own opinion on others?

yes. only mafia have any reason to have opinions in games of mafia. don't @ me, I'm right.

pedit: no lol. I think enchant is in a vacuum pretty likely to flip red.

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HOUSE YOU HAD ONE JOB

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i'm so shook.

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thanks - i'd say it's more miscellaneous silliness than either. :p

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Oh I love the good place.

I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not. The wagon kind of just disappeared.

MM is a hell of a wildcard for me.
They've played pretty hard so far, in a way that I

think

should be identifiable via purity later in the game.
I think they've committed to the kind of momentum I wanted to see from them and if it drops off it's going to look agenda-driven.

I think their content looks, at surface level, like it's solvey enough that it could easily be coming from town.
That carries the caveat that I don't really know their scumrange, and can't comfortably say that what they

are

showing is far outside of a lot of players' scumranges.
They should also become progressively easier to read rather than the inverse so I've lost a lot of interest in wagoning them.

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I think it's shallow but tbh I haven't seen anyone else give a reason to townread MM, shallow or not.

That's why an unexplained townread with meme rationale is sus.

strangely enough i would love a read that was like"miss midnight smells towny to me leave me alone". the swing & miss at justifying the read feels kinda performative.

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i'm so shook.

If something need to be done, make it self.

VOTE: Penquin

I am bad with accusations, but i think he is maf. It's of course hilarious i accuse him of inactivity, but that's truth. I expect from mafia to hide in plain sight and blend in, which he doing perfectly, considering almost no one bat a eye on him (there was votes but they disappear very fast).

Not a bad vote

Aside from the fact he had zero faith in it, perhaps.

I think it shows that he lacks confidence as a player, especially when his townread calls Penguin obv town. But it's like a weird thing to do as scum.

maybe it is pure. if enchant is scum i can't really decide what he's doing at the moment. but i can't decide if he necessarily needs to be doing anything.
hrm.

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i'd rather gamma or thor to manatee to miss midnight at this point.

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i think it shows a level of attempting to understand you that hints at critical thinking, and a level of attempting to understand the nature of your interaction that hints at sorting.

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nevermind I'm going back to bed

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This entire game is just a lesson in how not to try to be funny over the internet.

literally best post all game

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Note OOG: My work may be impacted by the Caldor fire. I was planning to limit my activity in late October and November. I doubt it will have an immediate, direct impact on me but I am posting in case. I do not live in the path of the fire or near it, but one of my courthouses I practice in is. Please pray for the residents of South Lake Tahoe.

This may result in a change of timeline for my upcoming large theme game. I doubt it, but I figured you all deserved to know.

Be safe Titus. <3

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Spicy take:
2 or 3 scum in Peng, H+H, manatee and worst, maybe MM . Still need to reread her.

This set of reads feels like brutally incorrect but I think I townread it kinda.

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actually I'm only really convinced on Auro town and Penguin maybetown. Perhaps myself, MM and Manatee is just the solve.

Mm nevermind that's not it either.

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You know what...

VOTE: Flea

my read on flea is lacking enough i half want to join this despite vaguely thinking fae's town

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do it coward you won't

pedit: o noes

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This entire game is just a lesson in how not to try to be funny over the internet.

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#1552 is just a funnier version of what I was going for!
Flea why not vote me here?

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do me !! actually fr though I'd like thoughts on flea or Thor or maybe Titus
or if you want something short maybe enchant?

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this will be a vc at some point soon

proud of you

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i leave y'all alone for one night and THIS happens

VOTE: enchant

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E-1, etc.

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You're worrying me tw Why am I having such a hard time following your votes this game?

i work in mysterious ways
hbu?

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wanna start off a shock 11th hour counterwagon?
want to get a claim out of enchant?
you are a furball full of potential rn.

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Potential is a good way of spinning "no idea wtf I'm doing"

quoting this inside the cover of my autobiography

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give me the bullet points?

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ok. i'm gonna stick with enchant.

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i guess elaboration might be useful. i don't think SS is really readable this early in the game at all - i have him very close to null rn.
the earliest i've ever had a read on him was in a micro, where i only gathered his alignment during the last few hours of d1 due to late phase pressure.

i'd rather be wagoning to kill than wagoning a nullread this late in the phase.

pedit: i'm towny now

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i don't hate that mindset, go wild. i'll stick with enchant.

as an aside

I'm not a fan of either of the existing wagons, and S_S is riding that Neutral territory like his life depends on it.

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i'm slightly biased towards keeping him alive because i enjoy his playstyle, and his presence. i'm objectively not sure that it makes sense to flashwagon him at the end of day one. so i won't be joining. but i guess i'd be kinda twistedly intrigued if he was a late-phase counterwagon.

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i totally made a tier list of last minute flashwagon prospects. omitted myself for obvious reasons, but i think i'd flatter myself to say that i rank in around b.

{thor}
{flea, manatee}
{miss midnight}
{ss}
{bee, pp}
{csf, titus, auro, house}

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i don't agree, lol

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why would you be a good last minute wagon prospect?

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i am but a slave to popularity.

VOTE: flea

back to enchant if this doesn't take off.

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I'm not a fan of either of the existing wagons, and S_S is riding that Neutral territory like his life depends on it.

Okay, so you think S_S is trying to coast on null reads
That seems possible, and if S_S does flip scum that probably says a lot about his team’s positioning in the game (what specifically, I’m not to sure, maybe they’re all around that same null level?)

what makes u figure that?

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i totally made a tier list of last minute flashwagon prospects. omitted myself for obvious reasons, but i think i'd flatter myself to say that i rank in around b.

{thor}
{flea, manatee}
{miss midnight}
{ss}
{bee, pp}
{csf, titus, auro, house}

What am I, chopped liver?
I s2g so many people leave me out of their reads it’s practically a meme

gamma....

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lmao

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pp said it a lot more kindly

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happy birthday!!!

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i already ate all the sushi

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if i was two people, i'd put a vote on midnight. i just like my flea vote more.

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How does someone going against both of your expectations lead you to Town?

is this not almost always the feeling?

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surely something hard to anticipate seems radically earnest more often than it seems false idk

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We can have sushi.

i'm in.

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It's only evidence if it's from the evidence region of France. Otherwise, it's just a gut feeling.

i've missed you.

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VOTE: manatee

pedit:

ngl…I really did have homemade sushi for dinner tonight.

thanks for the invite jeez.

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i don't super follow/want to get deep into the convo re. Flea, i am just not picking up what faer posts are putting down.

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only scum have things to do irl. down with auro!

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ss do you feel like you should be readable so far?

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i wouldn't call midnight arrogant, so much as like.. confident? assertive/projecting confidence? i don't get the impression they're steering the game so much as i have a lesser gravitational pull and am drawn into their collected demeanour.
not sure if this helps anyone, i adore waxing poetic.

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Nah, not arrogant. I just wasn't sure if you were working from the assumption that Gamma is scum.

This is kinda why I’m suspicious of MM, some of what she’s posted feels this way but other things don’t entirely line up with it and that disconnect in how I perceive her faith in her read of me feels scum-indicative.

this actually makes a lot of sense.

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i'm nice

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lukewarm take i think csf is my strongest (only?) townread.

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This entire game is just a lesson in how not to try to be funny over the internet.

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ss do you feel like you should be readable so far?

"Should" is pretty ambiguous. I think that there's probably something in there if people happen to find it, but I wouldn't expect any individual person to find anything, if that makes sense?

yeah, for sure.
i feel very opaque in this game in a way which i don't normally feel very opaque. i feel like you feel transparent in this game, but not in a way that actually makes it easy to read you.

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CSF, House, and ig Titus are the people I feel like are solidly town
tw is probably close behind, and PP is also probably up there

i feel slightly warmer about pp than titus, but this is exactly the top parts of my readlist.

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i have a very strong feeling that we need to yeet Thor before endgame

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4 (bee, gamma, me, thor) i think. i got the cherished 3rd spot on the wagon.

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i feel very opaque in this game in a way which i don't normally feel very opaque. i feel like you feel transparent in this game, but not in a way that actually makes it easy to read you.

lmao, that is highly accurate.

I guess my scumgame has just gotten better?

phew, thanks for owning up to it, i was really scratching my head there
VOTE: SS

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VOTE: manatee
gottem

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never.

i was gonna type up something about how you would use a significantly better soft if you felt the need to soft, but figured the face would suffice.

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ok

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We're not going to nitpick in semantics?

You're no fun.

points to nametag

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don't worryyyy i'm town

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it must be a duck thing. or an aussie thing.
lalaladucks is great

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I don't know that id consider myself the ultimate authority on SS, but I'm pretty sure he was being facetious

I'd be surprised if his opinion is particularly far from mine: there's novel benefit to your analysis. There is probably some correlation due to thread presence, sure. Some of it is probably warped by the fact a higher % of players are town. It's a fun statistic, but not particularly useful for actually finding scum. It's also profoundly unfun compared to just playing mafia - if I wanted a logic puzzle I'd download an app.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. I feel like dragging the conversation back into 2d stat analysis is pretty detrimental to the gamestate.

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Thor nobody is buying your township. Go read the setup.

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hmm. have you played this setup before?

please proceed carefully. I have a fairly confident alt read on you.

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any variation of pypx/y* I should say

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Out of respect for alt anonymity, I'm not going to go scorched earth on you. But I'm almost certain you just tried to fake a townslip and I'd like you to take a moment to evaluate and explain why you did that.

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Here is my plan:

night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

If we have the setup on the left, or vengeful1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)ascetic cop or bulletproofdraft cop or 1-shot watcherdoctor or roleblockeruniversal backup or rolecopneighborizer or voyeurjailkeeper or trackerIf we have the setup on the left,

Even excepting that. This is not a "setup on the left or setup on the right" semi-open. it's a "one role exists from each bracket* semi-open, which you must necessarily know unless Datisi made a mod error in the drafting process.

Each player submits exactly one role. Them winning that role nullifies the existence of its bracket pair - not the other way around.

We're not in a "left setup" or a "right setup" and you would already know this because players bid for an individual role, rather than a pair of roles.

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nope nope nope you're so full of it

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I don't think this is a popular take so I'm not going to head a wagon which I'm pretty sure only I am excited about so late in the phase. Thor absolutely in we that interpretation of the setup is horsecrap. This whole page is a shitty attempt at a townslip and if you believe it, please have a cup of tea, sit down and read it again.

I don't think he expected to be epically called out. I don't know why he's faking this or what he expects to gain, but it's pretty damn clear he's talkin shit.

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Thor absolutely in we that interpretation

Thor absolutely knew that interpretation*
Don't phonepost on busses pals.

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Your reaction is almost the exact same as people in this game when I didn't understand the setup:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87385

I was town

Fine but this is a game which doesn't literally require you to understand the core mechanics in order to submit your draft pic and adequately accept your role pm.

What's more, your "oh I have meta of not getting the setup as town" just makes me think more confidently that you're doing this to look uninformed rather than out of earnest lack of info.

You are straight up not town here dude

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that's such a ludicrous assumption oh my god

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that's like
fucking
assuming vanilla townies can throw ice cream at each other

that's so far beyond moon logic it stops veering into negligence and just bull-charges straight into unbelievableness.

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I'm town

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That's not "not getting something". That's misrepresenting the setup in a way that's so implausible it's near impossible, and then trying to use it to play off your town meta. This literally isn't a mistake.

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Why does this make you think I'm town?

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all you're gonna get out of me is more "nope" because you are lying through your teeeeettthhh

respect for the audacity tho

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You really seem to believe I'm faking this and scum, I think if you were scum you would just immediately see it as me being town and have no reason to doubt it so much

You don't think I've been positioning you for an elim all phase and just saw an opportunity to suggest you back into the limpool while not looking like I was forcing the wagon?

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like for the record that's exactly what I'm doing here. I just also happen to be town.

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Why do you think I'm so sure Thor?

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Post-Edit: No, because your outrage here seems genuine, and attacking a possible townslip as scum is always risky if others disagree with you

I'd posit that this is closer-related to one's charisma than to one's decision to needle in on a townslip. you also immediately assumed I'm town off the back of this dialogue, and I'm telling you straight up this is out of my scum toolbox. why would you assume that people wouldn't townread me off this if it struck you as so Towny?

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Do I really need to explain that you? The wording you're using

yes, you do.

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I think your read on me is TMI, because I think a member of the town who was subjected to my first serious push of the game on such abstract grounds would be reacting a lot differently. :p