Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

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GeorgeBailey once told me the world is gonna roll me

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VOTE: mantaeegal

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How are you Penguin?

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VOTE: ManateeGal
I like wagons.

-Harvey

I like you.

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Can I countercounterask?

Why do you think everyone voted randomly when there have been expressed (and unexpressed) reasons?

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Can I countercounterask?

Why do you think everyone voted randomly when there have been expressed (and unexpressed) reasons?

Can i countercountercounter ask?

No.

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Why i should assume you have reasons? just realise, it's random in fancy box.

I mean - for one....some have expressly stated why they are voting who they are voting and thus giving reason beyond randomness!

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boop

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Penguins are one of about 40 species of flightless birds. Other flightless birds include rheas, cassowaries, kiwis, ostriches, and emus. Most flightless birds live in the Southern Hemisphere.

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why?

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VOTE: mantaeegal

no aquatic mammalian alliance?

you stole my number

no alliance.

also birds are not mammals

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can't even spell my name right

smh

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significantly more likely

little higher

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Another thing to consider is iirc tied numbers are resolved by who submitted first
Tho a glance at the OP would probably confirm/bust this

~ in cases of multiple players selecting the same number, the higher placed between these players is chosen randomly.

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You should make your own sushi

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I’m getting sushi.

This is scum

I'm inclined to agree.

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I’m getting a rainbow roll and you can’t stop me.

Nope...def agree

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sounds better than a rainbow roll

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LOOK.

I get sick when I eat most other kinds. ):

there are plenty of types of vegetarian sushi!

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Hi duck. Two questions:

1.) How are you doing today; and,
2.) Are you excited to have rolled scum?

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This about you, not me. You can see my mood on the first page.

Follow up question: why the number you picked and why is it a duck’s favorite number?

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This about you, not me. You can see my mood on the first page.

Follow up question: why the number you picked and why is it a duck’s favorite number?

highest number i can count before running out of fingers

Solid answer

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manatee is a better wagon but I <3 you for creating a counter - especially the counter you chose to help create

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VOTE: House

mmmmmmm

why?

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VOTE: House
I think manatee's handling of the wagon on her seems towny

what do you think of enchant?

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i don't believe the reason was lurking....why was the vote on your weird?

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VOTE: House
I think manatee's handling of the wagon on her seems towny

what do you think of enchant?

not much

why did you hop on house with sea cow?

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Frozen scum. The most recent pop-in was pretty blatant.

With the way site meta seems to be going lately, i can buy this.

VOTE: ManateeGal

Oh, and hi. Y'all won't see too much of me through the week, but I'll be around.

this implied to me a discussion abt scum lurking meta on-site. its a weird vote with weird reasoning and it doesnt feel genuine.

eh, we can debate terminology but ok. miss midnight provided the reasoning...no thoughts on that?

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and those thoughts are?

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boop

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that's not really helpful

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actually explaining what those pings are? saying i have micro-pings says nothing and is certainly not answering the question i asked

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Oh, and for anyone wondering why i picked 4 (I remember someone askeda general question about picks), it's my favorite low level number and i wasn't concerned about rolling PR because i don't want my possible miselim for low content hurting town.

Feels like this is trying too hard to justify yourself.

I feel like this is fine, but dropping a vote on Manatee without comment on the quickly formed counterwagon is what feels a bit off to me...?

-H

Except for the fact it wasn't without content, whatevs.

Contends that H+H's point was incorrect and you said you saw nothing wrong with the first point...

What about sea cow's handling of her wagon was townie in your view?

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you aren't a duck though....

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2 scum blundering into competing wagons on d1?

definitely a thing that happens

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boop

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Good posting from Penguin, pretty bad posting from Gamma.

Agree, disagree.

Same

Neutral posting from Penguin, good posting from Gamma

Good posting from Penguin, neutral posting from gamma.

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It’s cool. Once you’ve actually done something worth forming an opinion on you can join in the fun.

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Cool. Hasn’t reached that near that level for me hence my post.

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hi penguin

an actual pagetop with content.

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Ugh dissolving wagons.

Now I have to effort.

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I mean - if you’re the leading wagon as of the next vote count I will.

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I mean - if you’re the leading wagon as of the next vote count I will.

Let's say that i am.

I prefer vcs.

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I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

Did you know I have a new iPhone 15

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MM and House team confirmed.

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mmmmm

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lol you think I’m a follower.

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Perhaps you should attempt to learn how I form my opinions rather than cast descriptors to me that applicable.

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that aren’t*

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Then you should learn to read. It’s pretty important for forum mafia.

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K. You’re less than useless at this point.

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Oh - if it wasn’t clear from my last comment I’m not engaging you on the topic any further since you aren’t trying to engage in good faith. Want to make sure you understand that given you exhibit understanding in the recent exchange.

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How many games have you played since your return?

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boop

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How many games have you played since your return?

Not many.

Perhaps consider your experience isn’t applicable with the current player base.

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My last question to you was sincere, by the way.

As was my prior statement.

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Maybe so, but it's all i have to operate from.

It's not a terrible thing to be a follower.

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Maybe so, but it's all i have to operate from.

It's not a terrible thing to be a follower.

I don't trust people, so... damn the luck.

I've done the same.

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Mmhmmm. Nice try.

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Perhaps you should attempt to learn how I form my opinions rather than cast descriptors to me that applicable.

I’m feeling nice for some reason so I will actually repeat the obvious statement which you aren’t trying to do.

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Because you felt it was better to make a witty remark instead of actually efforting.

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Mmhmmm. Nice try.

No, the nice try is to you for trying to bait me off Gamma.

If he isn't going to have actions taken against his ban baiting from above, I'm staying parked here.

wtf? I haven’t tried to make you do anything?

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Nice skipover.

This is why your bad faith. I tried. Good night.

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VOTE: House

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when you’re adept at faking things

You know who's behind the Thor alt? .o.

P-edit. VOTE: House

-Harvey

mmmm?

weren't you just voting gamma with house?

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tbf i did say i was going to wait for a votecount

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boop

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VOTE: Thor

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Would be cool to see s_s have a vote somewhere....very cool

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because you never do

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foiled by p-edits

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2 seconds....damn dats. that was impressive.

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boop

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I'd be up for Enchant

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VOTE: enchant

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Day 2, i will return to parking my vote on the cheater.

let's maybe not.

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boop

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report posts you think are rule breaking and let's move on pls. this is a distraction

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damn

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How about people just vote people they are willing to elim (s_s included)?

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This is prodgey, and sorry if I've missed anything drastic, but this wagon is exciting.

VOTE: miss midnight

You certainly made it more interesting. Depending on

things

I may join. Undecided until then.

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interesting wagon shift

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You're an interesting wagon shift

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^
I very much love this post.

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i'm lazy - why have we run up gamma?

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how about someone that actually feels like being helpful instead of a smartass?

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ok? doesn't really change that it was an unhelpful, smartass comment.

those can be fun to make, i get it!

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ah - so what you're saying is I shouldn't expect an answer

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sigh

yeah...

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So, why do you think House is town?

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shush you. let enchant answer the question.

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I am. My post was obviously not pertinent to your question.

Now who's missing jokes?

You. If I wasn’t playful bantering I wouldn’t use the word shush. I’d tell you to shut up.

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I have my own reason why if you care to hear it

Sure. After enchant answers.

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This entire game is just a lesson in how not to try to be funny over the internet.

idk - usually works well for me and has so far this game with duck!

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boop

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I townread House, because i find his nature of posting a townie. He was plenty understandbly annoyed by Thor. I disliked push on him at all, because

you

seemed just sheeping Gamma who made up accusation like "Can't tell why but he is mafia". Like, i too have another reasons for townreading him, but can't tell them, now what?

Who is "you" here?

I just find it odd that you have high enough confidence in House as town to immediately drop your vote on your scumread and shift it elsewhere given reasoning that you admittedly didn't understand.

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Actually Penguin asked why i townread you, so i answered, then shit thrown on the fan and it started.

Glad I asked then

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When I get off Enchant, people then pile on. Food for thought.

Two people did.

You're welcome to come back!

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I mean - 6 v 6 wagons with 3 days to go...come on, you know you want to.

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mmmmm

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Why do it if you're going to immediately be sorry about it?

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sigh

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i'm so happy right now

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Looks like you're going to have to do something!

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Your cat looks like it needs medical assistance

That's Me. Fuck You.

Did you have the sushi again?

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i totally made a tier list of last minute flashwagon prospects. omitted myself for obvious reasons, but i think i'd flatter myself to say that i rank in around b.

{thor}
{flea, manatee}
{miss midnight}
{ss}
{bee, pp}
{csf, titus, auro, house}

What am I, chopped liver?
I s2g so many people leave me out of their reads it’s practically a meme

You can't be a last minute flashwagon if you are the current main wagon.

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Your cat looks like it needs medical assistance

That's Me. Fuck You.

Did you have the sushi again?

No it was my birthday so I treated myself and ordered from a really nice restaurant. (:

A really nice sushi restaurant?

happy birthday

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No!! Japanese steakhouse!!!

they usually have sushi there....

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Was there sushi?
(please don’t hurt me)

Gamma gets it!

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boop

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I mean - in every world you play like this as either alignment.

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Mmmm - why?

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How does someone going against both of your expectations lead you to Town?

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idk - that’s not where my mind would go but okay.

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How does someone going against both of your expectations lead you to Town?

is this not almost always the feeling?

No?

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Boop

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i guess I’m just much more suspicious?

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surely something hard to anticipate seems radically earnest more often than it seems false idk

I think the opposite tbh

Large changes tend to be intentional.

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Rules posts are fun to read.

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Going by your descriptors it is.

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Eh - gut says that gamma’s town. Who’s next in your line?

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Oof - you aren’t doing so well this game.

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I thought the same. It’s inverted.

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I mean - I hope we’re all having fun so we’re all winners by that metric.

Being correct is also fun and you don’t seem to be doing so well by that one.

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Feel free to be snarky because I am saying that.

Without trying to come across as snarky, let me know when you want to tell me why I’m next in line.

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Sorry - I’m trying to be snarky so take it that way.

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Was that meant to be snarky?

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Boop

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Ah - welcome to my day 1. As an alt you may be aware, but if not it’s an educational moment for you.

Your third sentence is spot on.

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Also comparing reading players to reading rules is not a good look.

Two totally different things. One is veeeeerrrry objective.

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You clearly have this attitude (not to imply it's a bad thing) when someone calls you a "follower", or when someone says they didn't realize prods were 36 hours,

This is very much doing that thing.

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Mmmmmm

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Dats! I need a vc.

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You seem to approach this game as if everyone plays (or should play) like you.

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That was @ MM

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Boop

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Mmm. I disagree.

Guess we’ll see.

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Two names to note though!

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jfc….there is no evidence on day 1

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Two names to note though!

Note for what? Miss Midnight's birthday bash (NO SCUMZ ALLOWED)?

A note to look back because it may or may not be important later. Idk.

If it’s your birthday let’s throw a bash though. We can have sushi.

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Behavior is not evidence until there is a flip. It’s why I like wagons!

And yes. Behavior alone is blah and can be explained or unexplained by anything and everything.

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Tbf - there are some circumstances that don’t fit that mold. But that’s not usual.

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That's one way to read his hop onto ManateeGal -- when other people pointed out how much they disliked his push on you, he dropped it.

In this case that would be starting from the conclusion and working backwards, or even circularly. I'd be saying we know he lacks confidence because he hopped on Manatee, and he wouldn't have hopped on Manatee without confidence. Where's the

prior evidence

of it, in this case?

It'd*, not "I'd".

Two names to note though!

Note for what? Miss Midnight's birthday bash (NO SCUMZ ALLOWED)?

A note to look back because it may or may not be important later. Idk.

If it’s your birthday let’s throw a bash though. We can have sushi.

Okay. So, again, without trying to be snarky, two names to note for absolutely nothing, for no reason whatsoever except maybe to pretend to be "noting things" and analyzing.

It's not my birthday, thanks. Sushi sounds good anyways, though.

To be not snarky, two names for me to note should your wagon actually go through and then I will analyze. But sure…nothing.

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I mean - you realize that you are being wagoned right?

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No. It’s guide a gut feeling. It’s not evidence of anything

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Dats! Vc pls.

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No. It’s guide a gut feeling. It’s not evidence of anything

If you don't like the word evidence, how about this; behavior is clearly enough to influence you to prefer one wagon over another, no?

Sure. Behavior can influence my feelings and actions but it is by definition not evidence.

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Sorry - we can’t all play the way you want us to.

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It's only evidence if it's from the evidence region of France. Otherwise, it's just a gut feeling.

This is funny. Ty.

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Okay. Bye bye.

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(This is me asking if anyone will move to Manatee with me.)

Yes.

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Still want that vc though.

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ngl…I really did have homemade sushi for dinner tonight.

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Wait, but he also pagetopped.

Shit, now I don't know what to do.

<3

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You are my nicer self duck.

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VOTE: manatee

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Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

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Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

To be clear, my problem with you isn't that you don't seem to be

engaging

people to get reads, my problem with you is that it doesn't seem like you have any reads at all, nor are you making any effort to do so. It seems to me like you've basically said yourself that this is the case? What with the whole "day ones are useless" and such.

So, your problem with me is admittedly a playstyle issue which goes back to my comment about you wanting people to fit into your mold.

To be clear - which if you were reading with actual intent to understand you would have understood - I have reads, but I have no strong reads. It's day 1 and there's nothing to form a strong opinion off. There are people I wouldn't wagon or vote out today! There are also lots of people that I would!

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It's possible Manatee is being bussed

With an inactive scum buddy that's not unlikely!

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Again - you are expecting my play to fit into what you view as town play. You are specifically stating that. What you expect is not how I play and can be seen

with evidence

if you actually gave a fuck.

I'm pretty done with you. Bye bye.

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VOTE: MM

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wooo - this sure got active

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boop

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Also, if she was accepting naked votes because "she knew her play was weak", there is no justification for her to shade Gamma's vote on her.

She's scumhunting. She can be suspicious of some votes and not others. Sure we hate naked votes but not every player needs to.

They do if they're "scumhunting".

You can't give her credit for scumhunting Gamma and a pass for NOT scumhunting naked votes when it all happened in the same post.

You're being disingenuous & bending over backwards to explain away transparently scummy behavior.

this tbh

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boop

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mmm - that's not a horrible readlist. some swaps imo, but ok.

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hey - would be better just to give yours to compare!

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but sure - let's confound and make it difficult.

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Cool. It at all what I said. You picked at the reads list without providing your own when that probably would have been the best venue to show disagreement instead of “too high too low”

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Of course given I’m quite comfortable voting sea cow I would love to hear that expounded upon as well.

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Cool.

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Think I’m just going to have to read you like I would read me.

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Yeah - pretty comfortable with town!gamma

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this day is bonkers

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Is that E-1?

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No, looks like Miss Scum unvoted.

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hmmmm....tempting

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very tempting

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Strange kill.

I’ll miss you duck!

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vote count 1.24

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

Gamma Emerald [6]:

Miss Midnight, the worst, Thor Ragnarok, Auro, Cat Scratch Fever, Flea The Magician

Enchant [6]:

Bee, PenguinPower, ManateeGal, House, Gamma Emerald, Titus

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

mod notes

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flavour

This is a fun vote count.

[PenguinPower]

I think you’re quite wrong.

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Right. Sorry I thought you said gamma.

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That’s what I get for trying to steal a pagetop.

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VOTE: Auro

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Enchant pulled off after Audi’s fake hammer and earned towncred which dismantled the wagon.

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Auro’s*

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Hopeful you’ll do something today!

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I don’t disagree on MM, I disagree with the rest of that post.

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Weird response to my agreement on MM

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Ah. I forgot your ignoring me then.

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Mentions is such an old school view on tying people together given it’s so easy to foil.

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Are you forgetting that there are multiple scum?

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Heaven forbid that they coach a newer scum member

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Eh, perhaps Enchant didn't mention Manatee a lot, because Manatee was MIA for most of yesterday. Manatee helped get Enchant elimmed in the end.

You mean she threw a buddy that had plenty of suspicion on him under the bus?

Wow, that never happens. Guess I'm wrong. /s

Second slot with a viable counter is not usually the place unless they are hard pushing.

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Disagree and it’s strange your ignoring an actual action that resulted in the original dismantling for your theory based in old meta.