Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Flea the Magician

Fight me.

Spoiler: When you're as cute as this? {large image}

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Harvey and Hayley

[Flea The Magician]

super trippy pain killer time

hopefully only for a couple days while I get my regular supply back. Lets see what I missed. Ain't doin a catchup post

[Flea The Magician]

Greetings Asgardians

Ew Æsir D:

[Flea The Magician]

tbh I'm maybe curious as to what led Flea to pick 13
that's a number I think you pick for a reason

I am an edgelord, whats your reason?

[Flea The Magician]

Weird strategy...

Did anyone pick their favourite number?

yis ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Why do you keep ordering it if it makes you sick? Isn't that counterproductive?

I'm wheat intolerant... wheat and some other grains.

gimme the pizza. nao.

[Flea The Magician]

This about you, not me. You can see my mood on the first page.

Follow up question: why the number you picked and why is it a duck’s favorite number?

highest number i can count before running out of fingers

Solid answer

Is it though? I can hit 12 and 32 on 1 hand depending how I do it.

[Flea The Magician]

Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.

[Flea The Magician]

apparently I lied, I'm doing cachup spam

[Flea The Magician]

not to mention an azelf, a god, a duck-fox and a bee.

Also a gem, a doctor, and a Titus
(Btw the Magician portion is the more descriptive part of Flea’s name, Flea is in reference to a musician)

I mean if you're following it that far back you might as well call me Mayonnaise

[Flea The Magician]

kewl, my vote stays where it is for now.

[Flea The Magician]

vote count 1.06

mod notes

~ boop

flavour

this is a hella mood

[Flea The Magician]

Problem with being a metalhead...

Two minutes to Midnight and Living After Midnight.

\m/,

To answer your Q MsM, I don't like their content so far

[Flea The Magician]

*Dances around the game, bops HaHa and dances out again*

[Flea The Magician]

nope and nope. your RQS prompt was NAI and pointless filler.

[Flea The Magician]

oh look an energy burst...

reminder I'm stoned on painkilelrs rn.

This is gunna be weird....

Now wheres spotify gone...

[Flea The Magician]

Thor thats a scumy af take and fuckin hilarious attempt at lookin busy

[Flea The Magician]

Because setups are randomised, and beyond mod control.

You're literally trying to make sense of random data. Last I knew, none of these have been bastard with the mod assigning roles.

[Flea The Magician]

setup assignments are completely random.
I've had many test setups space the scum out and quite a few group them together.

I can modify my setup tester for you if you want to show it. It'll generate 1000 games worth of stats for you. (I use it to ensure even distribution is met)

[Flea The Magician]

... you genuinely want me to prove the game generation is random and not mod assigned?

Dude... you're higher than me o.o

[Flea The Magician]

It is literally random.

It is a requirement when the game is queued that if mod bias affects alignments, it's declared.

There can be no bias when it is a randomly generated setup.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Code generation from my last game

Code: Select all

 Players drawn and assigned in this order:
>>> mastina > Child of Fairies > Robert M Hunter > Gamma Emerald > Marashu > Roden > Titus > House > Lukewarm > Guillotina > ssbm_Kyouko > T3 > Angel Warriors 
╔════════════════╡Assigned roles╞═══════════════╗
╟──Scum─────────────────────────────────────────╢
║ mastina                           Mystic Goon ║
║ Robert M Hunter                         Yakra ║
║ Guillotina                        Mystic Goon ║
║                                               ║
╟──Town─────────────────────────────────────────╢
║ Child of Fairies                         Frog ║
║ Gamma Emerald                           Lucca ║
║ Marashu                     Knight of Guardia ║
║ Roden                       Knight of Guardia ║
║ Titus                       Knight of Guardia ║
║ House                       Knight of Guardia ║
║ Lukewarm                    Knight of Guardia ║
║ ssbm_Kyouko                 Knight of Guardia ║
║ T3                                      Crono ║
║ Angel Warriors              Knight of Guardia ║
║                                               ║
╟──Third Party──────────────────────────────────╢
╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════╝

I don't think any mod goes as far as I do as to randomise the role assignment list and the player list before picking players and roles at random until both pools are expired, but still. It has to be random.

[Flea The Magician]

Much love Dats <3 look after yourself ^_^ Seems to be a wave of grotty vibes going around

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah we clarified, I reversed what effect that post had on my read.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Thought I was rid of you.

VOTE: ManateeGal
I like wagons.

-Harvey

GeorgeBailey once told me the world is gonna roll me

GeorgeBailey once told me this:

GeorgeBailey

Bog standard RVS stuffs

Enchant, do you have any particular reason for the Titus vote?

Bee is Vigilante 100%.

Why would you reveal that?

-Harvey

Jumpy much. Why would that even be a reveal? Any particular reason for your vote on Manateegal? Hm? Hmm? HMMM?!

And here's your Page 2 solve, folks.

{Titus}
{PenguinPower}
{Enchant}
{Flea the Magician, Something_Smart, Thor Ragnarok, Cat Scratch Fever}
{Miss Midnight, House, the worst}
{Gamma Emerald, Bee}
{ManateeGal}

-Harvey

Page 2 reads list is not a page 2 solve.

Can i counterask.

Why you asking me about reason of vote on Titus, on damn RVS where everyone vote everyone for sake of that.

Because there is a small amount of extra information on the basis of which you can cast your vote.
For example, PenguinPower's vote.

-Harvey

Kewl, so whats the extra reasoning behind your vote *Raazt!*

Spoiler: Thought it was over wiiiith

Can i counterask.

Why you asking me about reason of vote on Titus, on damn RVS where everyone vote everyone for sake of that.

If you really want to know.

Titus, because she used 999999999999 and somehow still higher than me.
Dirty play.

Interesting tone in post 39 given you did have a more-than-random reason for the vote.

-Harvey

Legit NAI for Enchant, and something tells me you know that.
This is such a fluffly posty

Your list is upside down!

what do you make of me voting manatee then?

Bee's reversed list would put you and ManateeGal towards the top; wouldn't it be more interesting to direct this question towards me?

-Harvey

Dafuq are you even attempting to get here? I'M MR HARVEY LOOK AT ME OOOOEEEEE!!!

imagine getting outdrafted by memers

haley

Amazing entrance.

Titus is probably town for picking 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

Scum would probably be a little less careless and pick a 2 digit number which was still very unlikely to be picked, but would beat other meme high picks

Like 53, it would've beaten the 69 meme pick

yeah im on this too
high chance of being right near the end

you said it with your eyes

remember when you thought i was giving you the fuck me eyes? we talked about this, ducky.

does harvey have any reads yet?

im sure he does, but his early reads arent worth listening to
(we haven't spoken yet)

the good:
thor has started off townie
pp offering a read while others reveled in nonsense and/or mech
worst seems to poking people in an inquisitive way with his immediate entrance

FOS: Bee, Gamma

extended off topic is the domain of scum
i dont think i read a single bee post that wasnt fluff or fluff adjacent

on the draft, as others, i'm expecting scum utilised their power not to collide in both phases
phase two feels like the cuter way to int

haley

Fosing without sayng why, and a couple cheap reads thrown own.

Spoiler: Thought I was over iiiiiit

im sure he does, but his early reads arent worth listening to
(we haven't spoken yet)

the good:
thor has started off townie
pp offering a read while others reveled in nonsense and/or mech
worst seems to poking people in an inquisitive way with his immediate entrance

FOS: Bee, Gamma

You will find, partner, that none of my reads are worth listening to, not just early game I'm here for the vibez

My page 2 reads list wasn't entirely random. The bits of logic Thor posted have almost all contributed to that.

-Harvey

Actual fluff. Take it to your PT/Discord.

i did think it was kinda funny that gamma gave a s/o to thor's interactions after completely non-interacting with thor and not actually being able to state any opinions on thor's interactions lol, i'm not sure i'd expect gamma to have entered the ~~zone~~ this early in the game though.

... Is Gamma the kind of player you expect would directly engage someone first before making a read though?

He pointed out that Thor's interactions were a highlight before admitting to the scumread, doesn't that indicate some level of organic thought? The way you phrased this makes his actions seem much more aggressive wrt attacking Thor and refusing to engage.

-Harvey

You're trying to work out how other players are reading how other players read instead of just reading yourself.

you know i nearly submitted 69 or 420 but then decided to just stick with 3

So close, I would've locktowned anyone who picked 69 with us

-Harvey

FLOOF

Thor: do you have any content-based reads so far?

-Harvey

Did you?

i am pretty sure gamma doesn't actually scumread thor
where are you getting the idea that I thought Gamma was aggressively avoidant? where are you getting the idea that i think gamma is attacking Thor?

The phrasing of your post? Unless s/o doesn't mean... oh wait, "shout out"

"after completely non-interacting with thor"
"not actually being able to state any opinions"

-Harvey

Quotes are powerful. use them. I believe nothing you say with proof.
Floof.

Spoiler: Thought I evicted you from my heaaaart

@harvey have you read gamma's iso?

Yes.

Why the vote on Manatee, too scared of coming @ us tw? :3

-Harvey

No comment on it tho? also just taunting lol.

first instinct is that your misread of my post is an authentic misread ~60% of the time and trying to look busy like ~40% of the time. i'm just like, really confused by how you actually got there. i'll meditate on it later.

I was referring to your bad vibes on Haley's post though

-Harvey

You're the biggest bad vibes, ngl. Haley is just... not here.

Why did no one pick 1 or 2 if no one else was going for it btw? I went for 11 because it's my favourite number but I would've gone for 1/2 to secure first place had I known

I mean... you don't *know* that no one else is going for it, right? It's reasonable to assume someone's gonna pick it
I'm sure anyone would've picked 1/2 if they knew no one else was going for it

-Harvey

Mech floof.

There's nothing compelling or convincing that I could tell you at this stage. I just got a towny feeling reading her posts up to that point.

Sure. I don't need compelling/convincing anyway, I just wanna look at the thought processes.

Any thoughts on ManateeGal's reaction (or lack of one) to her wagon?

-Harvey Specter

You have a thought process? o.o none I'm seeing here.

Spoiler: KICKED YOU AHHTA MAH MIIIIIEEIIIND!!

do i have anything else of importance to add? also no

Do any of the votes on your wagon look suspicious? Towny? Opportunistic?

-Harvey

No thoughts of your own?
No thoughts. head empty.

I'd sacrifice all of my friends for a day vigilante

Omg yes if only there was a dayvig in the draft picks

-Harvey

FLOOOoooOOOOF!

Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

Bait is bait and honestly this is probably the most AI thing you have, despite it being a NAI reaction test.

Choo choo!!

VOTE: Enchant

-Harvey

No chuggas? baddie.

Oh, and for anyone wondering why i picked 4 (I remember someone askeda general question about picks), it's my favorite low level number and i wasn't concerned about rolling PR because i don't want my possible miselim for low content hurting town.

Feels like this is trying too hard to justify yourself.

I feel like this is fine, but dropping a vote on Manatee without comment on the quickly formed counterwagon is what feels a bit off to me...?

-H

You've been so idly poking and not dedicated you can hardly comment. Also which one of you posted this? posting -H doesn't help.

Spoiler: So nothing left of you...

Except for the fact it wasn't without content, whatevs.

Can you quote that comment, please? I meant specifically about Enchant.

-Harvey

I followed this back. I don't get it. nothin about Enchant in the chain, you're weird.
FLOOOOOOOOF.

Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.

Oh yeah I wanted to reply to that
It’s kinda late for an RQS at this point, ngl I kinda think it might be legitimately scummy

There we go, I was wondering if the mere

mention

of RQS would be attacked as scummy without even actually doing it

@House: I acknowledge your comment on Manatee! My tiny concern was about how there was an Enchant counterwagon that formed just before that, and you made the Manatee vote without mentioning your approval of the Enchant wagon.

-Harvey

And yet, YOU STILL DON'T ACTUALLY GIVE CONTENT.
FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFY!
You're floofier than Gus' Moustache! THAN LINUS' BEARD!!

Also, House, you were Shortaru right? Remember me by any chance?

-Harvey

Ah yes, the alt hunt begins as a distraction.

Curious comment, considering your clamming-up on the circumstances of Manatee.

Love the alliteration.

@House: Okay.

-Harvey

FLOOOOOF! Can beat aliteration though. I want to make a V alt but I think the verbose verbiage would be vacant if I attempted that visage.

Spoiler: WOULD BE LEFT BEEEEHIIIIIIIND!

Oh, that's not a bad vote. But I think I'd rather go

VOTE: Harvey and Haley

For their early townlean on Thor when Thor wasn't doing anything but setup speccing.

Note that it wasn't simple speculation about the setup.
Thor was making alignment reads based on it - why can't that be considered alignment-indicative?

Harvey (and anyone else), i don't think anything productive will come of rehashing the me/Gamma drama wholesale, but if you have specific questions, I'll be happy to address them.

Uninterested unless it's still ongoing.

-Harvey

I'd need to go over Thor at some point when spoons permit but I don't think Thor was getting alighnment based reads on it.
Also, should be uninterested anyway, that got way outta hand, ngl.

I think we're all buddying each other, and I am living for this energy.

What do you guys think about H&H?

:shrug:
What's on your mind?

tw, I was actually expecting you to soul scumread me by now.

-Harvey

BY LNUS BEARD! THATS A LOTTA LINT!

roughly my fourth or fifth choice atm

Did you not say you had a shitty surface level townread on us before? What caused the demotion to 4th/5th choice of wagon?

What alignment reads did he make, exactly?

The only thing i found didn't match up with his stated reads or votes.

Sure, some examples:
98: 2 likely scum in group of 5
106: Titus town
228: Unlikely scum slots based on statistical pick history

If the response is that anyone can point these out, I'd argue that anyone could post anything - there's nothing specific to these that make them invalid as a basis for forming an early read.
Can you point out the contradiction between his setup-reasoned reads versus votes? That's more interesting to me.

-Harvey

Answered your own question, amazing.
Estimation...
Absolutely NAI if we're honest.
Random distribution proves nothing.

Not sold on the contradictions from positions 2/5/9.

Thor did state it, but likely only as an observation of interest. Draft positions are heavily randomly determined, as opposed to number picks - so I doubt that Thor actually places any stock in that.

But I agree with the next part.

@Thor

, did you have stronger reasoning to vote Gamma than from your earlier likely-containing-scum pools?

-Harvey

Almost like these games are randomly determined by multiple random factors.... and worse still.. the human element.

any particular reason why?

Yes, I made a resolution before joining the game that I'd not hopelessly refresh the page every minute and just appear twice a day for a while. I was expecting you would make a comment on my slot's lack of thread energy.

-Harvey

Thread energy ain't the problem, its the content.
Like I believe that even floof can have content, i'm struggling to see much in yours beyond giving out nothing and looking busy.

Spoiler: OOOOOooooOOOOO!

it felt like you were scum who didn’t feel like you had a good entrance available so you tried to float the RQS boat out

That feels extremely hollow given I had plenty of other content by then (that was my 26th post) and around the same time too...?

-Harvey

... content? where?
Also, it was the 23rd in your ISO, so probably about your 19th overall.

It's easy to conjecture about what numbers scum would pick, but it's not particularly helpful - and their conjectures aren't necessarily accurate. I've seen all 3 scum pick double digit numbers for the express purpose of avoiding number collision, which did end up working out to scum's benefit. This kind of setup spec (or draft spec, specifically) read more like busywork to me. And consequently, giving him a townread in 202 seemed premature.

I'm not arguing about the absolute accuracy of these conjectures, rather how they compare against other tells.

Consider:
"I think X is towny for doing <Y> early in the game!"
"But scum can easily do <Y>"

Any

possible value you can fill for <Y> can be faked by scum and thus not necessarily accurate, especially in early game. That doesn't diminish the value of these reads.
Draft spec is busywork if it leads nowhere, but in his case it had already seemed to set a prior for alignments of certain others.

-Harvey

Sure I got deja vu.
It's almost like the game is randomly generated and there's a human element to it...

Mech Spec here is busywork. it's why I've not touched it.

Has it all been the one head?

I have been signing all my posts -Harvey; are you saying you actually assumed that one RQS post was from the other head?

-Harvey

Given that Haley has hardly been here and there's a post signed -H... can't fault him, honestly.

I suppose you can say that, but it's not like he voted anyone in his scumpool by that point. How could you tell he was going to follow throughm, or if the draft spec reads even meant anything to him?

I don't really expect immediate consistent follow-throughs but I did assume that would factor into his play in a more meaningful manner, hence my question to him earlier on his Gamma vote when House pointed that out. I don't think that was an unreasonable assumption at that point.

-Harvey

You've not followed through on

ANYTHING

.

Kinda
I have literally zero ability to tell you two apart by tags

Our posting styles are also different (evidenced by one of my partner's earlier posts), and my partner also packs more content into single posts. This kind of hasty assumption feels unexpected from you.

-Harvey

Genuinely haven't seen enough from your partner to make solid comparisons. There's some differences in writing style but eh.

Spoiler: But you still take up my space

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-H

Fho the Wuck was this?

Helay and Haley

-Helay

I'm getting Hedas vibes Still fluff though.

Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent

On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.

Oh yeah I wanted to reply to that
It’s kinda late for an RQS at this point, ngl I kinda think it might be legitimately scummy

kewl, my vote stays where it is for now.

I'll bite. Was your "kewl, vote stays" in response to Gamma's suspicion on my post about RQS?

Did you also happen to assume that my "RQS" post was an awkward entrance from another head? If not, why was mentioning it scummy?

-Harvey

More questions and bad assumptions.

Right. And would you be able to describe your dislike of my slot's content?

-Harvey

Taaadaaaaaa!

And speaking of pointless filler - your only stated read this game is a scumread of us because you don't like our content.
Any comments on that?

-Harvey

There's an echo in here...

Spoiler: You just wont go away.

Recent events have raised my interest in alt-hunting Thor.

-Harvey

More floof.

5 posts per spoiler...
to surmise my thoughts on your slot rn...

{Yes I have the cat ears.}

[Flea The Magician]

Its busywork as it gets nowhere, but the belief in it and attempts to mechsolve seem genuine at least.

[Flea The Magician]

It reminds me of you in Silent Star.

Which one?

[Flea The Magician]

loving the lack of follow up from Harvey

[Flea The Magician]

loving the lack of follow up from Harvey

I love writing walls to cases, but I think it's pointless and inefficient responding to yours.
If there are specific parts of it you would like my response to, I'd be glad to.

-Harvey

Which is an amazing summary of your ISO

[Flea The Magician]

Stop the theatre and sheep me, folks.

-Harvey

Prove you're town, then I will. Until then, I'm voting you and only you <3

[Flea The Magician]

i think their engagement and inquisition w other players is a pretty good look

You are having a giggle, right?

[Flea The Magician]

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dont mind me, just buying a cheap townread from manateegal.


?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Flea The Magician]

Harvey you actually going to do anything except idle poking this game?

Like you alone have more posts than me and You have nothing but wool - and where the hell is Haley?

You still never answered who signed the posts as -H though.

[Flea The Magician]

Harvey you actually going to do anything except idle poking this game?

Like you alone have more posts than me and You have nothing but wool - and

where the hell is Haley

?

You still never answered who signed the posts as -H though.

Yes - I'll ask for more House votes.
Please vote House.

I've answered the bolded right in this page - perhaps you should stop dismissing my posts without reading them?

Both -H were me.

-Harvey

My bad, I missed that post.

Bold of you to claim I haven't been reading your posts though, don't you think?

[Flea The Magician]

Bold of you to claim I haven't been reading your posts though, don't you think?

My claim was based on your complaint that my posts were wool and your earlier "case".

-Harvey

Ooooooo you're one of THOSE people.

Yeah ok my vote is staying exactly where it is.

You know that's not a case, you know full well that's me not only being an ass, but me going overboard to make a point.

Your posts are wool, they're fluffy and unrefined.

I dare you to convince me to vote house.
Also Emily is the best wifey. *neener neener*

[Flea The Magician]

I've looked over your posts, thats the thing, there's almost nothing there.

I can't even see why you're on House. I'm trying to get you to follow up on your pokes because you're asking questions but doing absolutely nothing with them. You've done a lot with asking others for reads and it's clear you know my style from the quotes and not asking me for reads.

What I want from you, is to convince me house is a good vote.

[Flea The Magician]

I've looked over your posts, thats the thing, there's almost nothing there.

I can't even see why you're on House. I'm trying to get you to follow up on your pokes because you're asking questions but doing absolutely nothing with them. You've done a lot with asking others for reads and it's clear you know my style from the quotes and not asking me for reads.

What I want from you, is to convince me house is a good vote.

Early game I like seeing fast pressure and wagon momentum, and House is a slot I'm fine with a wagon on currently.

Not a fan of his disengagement with the game after the Gamma spat, especially considering he scumreads his most popular counterwagon.

I'm disinclined towards breaking that momentum just to build a wagon on a slot I don't feel very strongly about, and that other players have shown a lack of interest in voting alongside.

When you see me asking someone for reads, do you not also see me discuss those reads? Also, I throw out a lot of questions, and don't necessarily post my thoughts on

every

response I get to them. If there's a specific question of mine you'd like more insight on (why it was asked, what I made of the answer, other potential answers I may have expected) please point them out!

-Harvey

Meanwhile I can fully agree with house after the gamma spat, using ongoing is a dirty tactic because frankly we can go look for games and it brings OGI into this game. I don't see what the counterwagon has to do with this?

TLDR: Laziness and cruising along.

I see you respond only when prompted. I don't see you following up which is my main beef. You're asking questions, and seemingly doing nothing. It's looking busy while doing nothing.

[Flea The Magician]

Maybe

Explaining gut is hard

"gut read"


hey that was easy

[Flea The Magician]

Town have the habit of refreshing and checking the thread at a rate far more frequent than scum. This is because the interest for solving the game can often be far higher than scum's desire to lie. Some scum can also be scared of opinions of their posts after they post, and may even close the thread entirely for some time, while town will eagerly refresh the page to hear opinions on what they've just posted.

I've been rereading the thread and I had an idea. There's a phenomenon on this site known as page topping, often conjoined to one word as such; PageTopping.

This phenomenon results in players wanting to score the top post of new pages. The top post of each page are divisible by 25, so post 500 would be a PageTop, and so would post 975.

Now, the interesting thing about these PageTops are that you can only perform them if you are present on the page and see the opportunity for one arise. To be present on the page, you must have refreshed it recently.

See where I'm going with this? In addition to town being more able to efficiently perform PageTops, they are also just more active on average, and will naturally land more PageTops over time. This results in town scoring far more PageTops on average than scum.

Here's the data:

Datisi

xxxxxxxx

PenguinPower

xxxxxxx

the worst

xxx

Harvey and Haley

xxx

Cat Scratch Fever

xx

Thor Ragnarok

xx

House

xx

Gamma Emerald

xx

Flea The Magician

x

Enchant

x

Miss Midnight

x

Titus

x

Bee

x

GeorgeBailey

x

Something_Smart
ManateeGal

I'll compile this with my data on the number analysis later to create a combined reads list.

OK this is absolutely busywork and some weird ass BS.

[Flea The Magician]

Enchant + Thor is a great place to start.

Happy to join you on a Thor train.

[Flea The Magician]

OK this is absolutely busywork and some weird ass BS.

Do you think it's scummy?

I'm starting to lean that way.

I love mech spec, and if you look at the style of games I play I tend to go for mech heavy or bastard games. Looking at the games I've run (all 2 of them - still need an outside reviewer for the second) you can see I love mech weirdness.

If you want me to get down and dirty in the mech here, I can and I will, but the conclsion is always going to be the same. The human element alone here is enough to throw the spec out of the window.

I can tell you what my options were that I was going to choose from, and few people will actually believe me because of how I approach these games.

I was looking at PGO, Vengeful and Universial Backup. I'm not going to say what I actually selected but I was looking at those as I sent my number in.

[Flea The Magician]

Enchant + Thor is a great place to start.

Happy to join you on a Thor train.

This is my playstyle

Odd jump but indulge me.

Why would I be reading you solely on playstyle?

[Flea The Magician]

Meanwhile I can fully agree with house after the gamma spat, using ongoing is a dirty tactic because frankly we can go look for games and it brings OGI into this game. I don't see what the counterwagon has to do with this?

TLDR: Laziness and cruising along.

I see you respond only when prompted. I don't see you following up which is my main beef. You're asking questions, and seemingly doing nothing. It's looking busy while doing nothing.

My original mention of the counterwagon referred to the one on Enchant. At the time he posted, in the same page, there were multiple votes on Enchant, so it was a little odd that he popped in with a Manatee vote without mention of Enchant, the counterwagon.

In most cases where I don't visibly act on responses to me, it's because there's no game-progressing reason to. Again, if you think I'm asking empty questions - shoot me specifics and what kind of follow-up you'd expect with them.
-Harvey

I'll go back and have a look at that, and I may not know who you are but I fully know you have the capability to create content and generate it where needed.
Thats why I'm hard-engaging you here. Because I want to squeeze it out of you.

[Flea The Magician]

OK this is absolutely busywork and some weird ass BS.

Do you think it's scummy?

I'm starting to lean that way.

I love mech spec, and if you look at the style of games I play I tend to go for mech heavy or bastard games. Looking at the games I've run (all 2 of them - still need an outside reviewer for the second) you can see I love mech weirdness.

If you want me to get down and dirty in the mech here, I can and I will, but the conclsion is always going to be the same. The human element alone here is enough to throw the spec out of the window.

I can tell you what my options were that I was going to choose from, and few people will actually believe me because of how I approach these games.

I was looking at PGO, Vengeful and Universial Backup. I'm not going to say what I actually selected but I was looking at those as I sent my number in.

Wait what does your role and what you wanted have anything to do with this, like, offhandedly bringing this up?

Your vote on Thor was :/ to me because I see him as you in Yin and Yang where everyone jumped on you for not playing the game the same way. What differences do you see in your play there and what’s happening now?

Bringing it up to give evidence of the human element, because frankly I ain't a normal human. You look at the list, and think about what you would pick, then compare to what I'd narrowed my options to - bearing in mind even if I was the first to pick, that would be my pool.

I haven't voted for Thor either, my vote is an RVS vote that stuck.
The difference in mechanical information available is the difference here. I was using in-game mechanics as I believed them at the time. Thor has gone as far as the game setup is not randomised but arbitrarily picked, and now as far as pagetop counts. The setup rand I can forgive, I saw that as a legitimate mistake. If it turns out I know the player behind the alt, that could change. Going on pagetops and out of game mechanics is considerably different to what I was doing.

[Flea The Magician]

*praying flea is vig*

keep praying.

[Flea The Magician]

It's not unfair though. You could say Gamma is scum because of ongoing games too, and he wouldn't be able to respond.

So how do you defend against "i have ongoing reasons to suspect you."

[Flea The Magician]

i dont like thors pagetop post but what i dislike more is house's constant signalling about how wrong it is

Why?

[Flea The Magician]

It's not unfair though. You could say Gamma is scum because of ongoing games too, and he wouldn't be able to respond.

So how do you defend against "i have ongoing reasons to suspect you."

I get where you're coming from and share the frustration, i do...

But que sera.

I think it is healthier for the game if we just leave that subject in the past.

I sincerely apologize to everyone for harping on it as long as i have.

yeah sorry, in catch up mode ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Did you call me autist.

Would that be a bad thing?

[Flea The Magician]

That wasn't a question, and I am autistic so pardon if I'm a little on guard for that one :/

[Flea The Magician]

That selective post range though :3

[Flea The Magician]

That selective post range though :3

I mean, his latter half of 111 posts? I was too lazy to go further up.

-Harvey

Which means your post and points are either lazy or theres nothing else to support your statement, but would in fact go against your accusation....

[Flea The Magician]

Which means your post and points are either lazy or theres nothing else to support your statement, but would in fact go against your accusation....

I believe this is sufficient to demonstrate the point I'm making.
I don't see much that goes against my accusation earlier than that as well - feel free to take a look yourself.

-Harvey

I plan to when I don't feel like I'm caught in that instant in a big sneeze where it feels like all your joints detach themselves as you explode.

[Flea The Magician]

You're not the first to call me by my pronouns, don't worry about it Mom just calls me Faer at this point lol <3

[Flea The Magician]

Flea, how would you rate your day 1 reads?

I tend to be either hella good or hella bad.


As a side note, Harvey has played a game with me before, and has seen my scumgame.

[Flea The Magician]

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.


Miss Midnight needs a good read over too when i'm sane.

[Flea The Magician]

As a side note, Harvey has played a game with me before, and has seen my scumgame.

And which game was that?

Also:

Speaking of engagement, is this level of activity typical for Haley?

So about that.
My other head took a break from Mafia a few months ago. He was down to give it another go as a hydra since this is my first game in a while as well, but still doesn't feel like playing.
Guess he might read parts of the game if I ask him to, if there's anything specific y'all want I'll ask.

My other head is Xtoxm. He usually lurks in games - we thought maybe a hydra would help gain more interest to play but it still doesn't.

-Harvey

Schadds electoral college mafia. I don't have any experience with Xtomx, but I do find the lack of posts and content from them upsetting. I have managed to get at least something readable out of you, after a bit of squeezing. And honestly it's like blood from a stone. I can't fall in my usual trap of tunneling into oblivion, though it's a little early in the game for it.

[Flea The Magician]

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.

Haley is always low pressure D1 and I don't think he's been playing mafia lately. I'm more focused on what Harvey is doing rather than literal absence.

pedit: VOTE: gamma emerald

Why is this pedit aligned to the right? I wasn't able to spot it easily.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

-Harvey

This is interesting...

[Flea The Magician]

My big issue with Harvey and Haley rn is WIM telling. Haley being absent is probably the biggest red flag for me here, especially if I assume it's Anya based on Auro's previous interactions with them, and having played with them being absent scum.


Miss Midnight needs a good read over too when i'm sane.

What’s Anya’s relation to that hydra? It’s Auro and Xtoxm.

Wasn't familiar with the hydra and made an assumption. It was wrong. Still flags me, not as much though.

[Flea The Magician]

OK this is absolutely busywork and some weird ass BS.

Do you think it's scummy?

I'm starting to lean that way.

I love mech spec, and if you look at the style of games I play I tend to go for mech heavy or bastard games. Looking at the games I've run (all 2 of them - still need an outside reviewer for the second) you can see I love mech weirdness.

If you want me to get down and dirty in the mech here, I can and I will, but the conclsion is always going to be the same. The human element alone here is enough to throw the spec out of the window.

I can tell you what my options were that I was going to choose from, and few people will actually believe me because of how I approach these games.

I was looking at PGO, Vengeful and Universial Backup. I'm not going to say what I actually selected but I was looking at those as I sent my number in.

Wait what does your role and what you wanted have anything to do with this, like, offhandedly bringing this up?

Your vote on Thor was :/ to me because I see him as you in Yin and Yang where everyone jumped on you for not playing the game the same way. What differences do you see in your play there and what’s happening now?

Bringing it up to give evidence of the human element, because frankly I ain't a normal human. You look at the list, and think about what you would pick, then compare to what I'd narrowed my options to - bearing in mind even if I was the first to pick, that would be my pool.

I haven't voted for Thor either, my vote is an RVS vote that stuck.
The difference in mechanical information available is the difference here. I was using in-game mechanics as I believed them at the time. Thor has gone as far as the game setup is not randomised but arbitrarily picked, and now as far as pagetop counts. The setup rand I can forgive, I saw that as a legitimate mistake. If it turns out I know the player behind the alt, that could change. Going on pagetops and out of game mechanics is considerably different to what I was doing.

I’ll try to respond later Flea I need to focus on work for a bit.

Just bringing this back, because I want to know what the response is

[Flea The Magician]

Effort is NAI, no matter what the effort is.
I got a town pass because I shredded a play with song.

Dats do I need to be worried about you? Themes memes are worrying.

[Flea The Magician]

I think I was wrong on the initial comparison looking at it now and what you're saying. I was correlating like... anyone doing something 'wacky'/hyperfocused as to what you're doing in that past game but given you were using an in-game mechanic and Thor wasn't it wasn't really a fair way to approach it. The fact that you weren't immediately relating it when I was felt wrong with workin' eyes

I'm also curious where you thought I voted for Thor?
Even if its a blip I'd like to know which post gave you that thought

[Flea The Magician]

For one, and it's a pretty relevant one I'd say, I think that Gamma probably would have commented on the whole thing between Flea and Harvey.

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen you air many thoughts on this either. Care to share?

What about my responses to Thor's mech stuff?

[Flea The Magician]

And I don't know why it should feel like blood from a stone. I said you could simply ask me any specific questions and I'd answer, right? I'm struggling to understand your perspective. I feel like I've been offering a lot of readable content. Also, I mentioned multiple times that Xtoxm will probably not be present and why, did you read that?

A hydra is a hydra. While I can understand Xtomx is hesitant and unlikely to post they are still a player in this game. Your slot is the responsibility of both heads, and I get chewed out when I don't consider an entire hydra (even if I'm right).

Readable content should be organic, not forced. I'm not going to go through your ISO and interrogate every post because that would be pointless and forced. It would also potentially stall the game going back excessively instead of moving forward.

[Flea The Magician]

Spicy take:
2 or 3 scum in Peng, H+H, manatee and worst, maybe MM . Still need to reread her.

[Flea The Magician]

A hydra is a hydra. While I can understand Xtomx is hesitant and unlikely to post they are still a player in this game. Your slot is the responsibility of both heads, and I get chewed out when I don't consider an entire hydra (even if I'm right).

Readable content should be organic, not forced. I'm not going to go through your ISO and interrogate every post because that would be pointless and forced. It would also potentially stall the game going back excessively instead of moving forward.

My slot is the responsibility of both heads - sure. Divided 99-1.

My content

is

organically readable, seemingly to everyone but you. You can't expect me to magically conjure content that you specifically find readable when I don't understand what would make it so.

Additionally, I don't know why you'd have to "interrogate me over every post" to gain readable content from me, like, can't we just engage/talk about stuff?

-Harvey

Argue it all you want. You're a hydra account, all heads should be contributing. Otherwise you're a solo account with a get out clause.
Dunno what your point is with the divided 99-1.

Your "content" was fluff. It side comments and nothing that was readable to me.and yeah if I'm the only one who isn't able to read it that's still one person who cannot read you and is struggling to see your motivations and if you're pure or not. Specifically in my case a player with a bad habit of deathtunnelling. So rather than potentially waste what limited spell slots I have, I've tried to read you using the methods that my highly broken and intoxicated brain have available.

And what do you think I have been doing? You keep pointing back telling me to ask questions, but you're now saying to talk and engage with you about stuff, and I have, and I have established a read. Not a confident one, admittedly, but that's because there's 2 of you and only 1 turning up.

[Flea The Magician]

You know what...

VOTE: Flea

*insert home alone overly dramatic Kevin scream here*

[Flea The Magician]

#1552 is just a funnier version of what I was going for!
Flea why not vote me here?

Also consider, why would I vote you here?

[Flea The Magician]

do me !! actually fr though I'd like thoughts on flea or Thor or maybe Titus
or if you want something short maybe enchant?

Curious about your sudden interest in me :3

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Faduq did I just read?

I actually had a real reason I voted House, I thought he was popping in in a way that felt suspicious
That’s just defamation.

What is it?

What is what

To be clear it looks like you’re trying to push the same misperception House seemed to have onto the rest of the thread, and I will not abide that.

VOTE: Gamma I refuse to believe you're this blind by accident.

[Flea The Magician]

Thanks for the clarification.

VOTE: Enchant

Are you TRYING to die today?

well this stinks -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

Gamma is at E-1

[Flea The Magician]

Why did you move to Flea, Titus?

I felt Enchant had stalled, so I am reconsidering. Flea pings me more lately.

How so?

[Flea The Magician]

I do not like the enchant wagon at all, some of the reasons I've seen for jumping on there are weak af.

Titus and Worst I want to answer things above relevant to them.

Now if you'll pardon me, withdrawl is a bitch and I'm dehydrated. Fuck pain flares.

[Flea The Magician]

i totally made a tier list of last minute flashwagon prospects. omitted myself for obvious reasons, but i think i'd flatter myself to say that i rank in around b.

{thor}
{flea, manatee}
{miss midnight}
{ss}
{bee, pp}
{csf, titus, auro, house}

This doesn't answer my questions.

i am but a slave to popularity.

VOTE: flea

back to enchant if this doesn't take off.

And this negates that previous post.

Kinda down with Flea too but I think that'd be like drawing blood from a stone with how fae would react.

*waves*

[Flea The Magician]

me_irl

same apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

well on page 70 it appears once again I'm being wagoned with no actual reasoning being given, either for the votes or the reads.

[Flea The Magician]

I thought faer hop onto Gamma was awkward

I feel like fae would've mentioned something about voting the same person as faer top scumread for most of the day (Auro)

General dissatisfaction with the leading wagons

Well it appears MM is at least able to extract some information.

The replace out of the hydra to a single player while still suspicious does confirm that Xtomx is really not feeling the game. My interactions with auro were good enough that I could bump them to a neutral read. Given also that end of phase is approaching it was time to begin consolidating and not riding what was essentially a vanity wagon with me being the sole participant.

damned if you, damned if you dont I guess.

[Flea The Magician]

only scum have things to do irl. down with auro!

this is stale now.

[Flea The Magician]

Wait, but he also pagetopped.

Shit, now I don't know what to do.

this is stale, not the last one

[Flea The Magician]

Here is my plan:

night 3 vigilante or vengeful
1-shot vigilante or 2-shot PGO (active)
ascetic cop or bulletproof
draft cop or 1-shot watcher
doctor or roleblocker
universal backup or rolecop
neighborizer or voyeur
jailkeeper or tracker

If we have the setup on the left, this is what I believe we should do:
The night 3 vigilante should be left alive until night 3.
The 1-shot vig should not shoot if scum is voted out on day 1. If town is voted out, they should.
The ascetic cop should check who they think is scum but is unlikely to be voted out the next day.
The draft cop can check whoever they like to see if they have a role.
The doctor should protect a universally townread person.
The universal backup should wait.
The neighbouriser should target someone they think they will get along and solve with.
The Jailkeeper should target their biggest scumread.

If we have the setup on the right:
The vengeful should claim when death is assured and kill a consensus scumread.
The PGO should not activate and save themselves for later.
The bulletproof should enjoy themselves.
The 1-shot watcher should not do anything on the first night.
The roleblocker should target their biggest scumread.
The rolecop should target a scumread they're worried might be a cop.
The voyuer should target a high interest player.
The tracker should target their biggest scumread that won't immediately be voted out.

If we follow all of these actions, we can probably win this game from the sheer amount of roles that will be in town's hands. We just need to make sure foolish things aren't done like vigilantes shooting like heroes or cops checking players that will be voted out the next day anyway.

Strike 3, you're out!
VOTE: Thor

[Flea The Magician]

I find it funny how sure you are!

Post-Edit: No, because your outrage here seems genuine, and attacking a possible townslip as scum is always risky if others disagree with you

And confirmation of your intent to townslip.

[Flea The Magician]

Thor what benefit do you think bringing back mechanical talk at this late stage of D1 brings to the game?
Given the amount of mechanics you've discussed over the day, why not bring this up earlier?
If you have read any of these games previously, how can you be so blatantly unaware of the setup mechanics on multiple fronts?

The timing of this makes me think that Thor and Manatee are aligned, having played with Manatee before she has frozen as scum.
VOTE: Manatee because shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

No.

What is wrong in trying to coordinate town PRs?

Nothing, however, this is massively misinterpreting the setup and almost deliberately so near the end of the in what I can only assume is an attempt to muddy the waters.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and as for WWSF do, scum flea would absolutely vote enchant for that wagon.

Enchant either goes super townie and becomes untouchable, or super scummy.
Gamma can be raged or made apathetic and made to appear scummy.

[Flea The Magician]

#1552 is just a funnier version of what I was going for!
Flea why not vote me here?

Also consider, why would I vote you here?

do me !! actually fr though I'd like thoughts on flea or Thor or maybe Titus
or if you want something short maybe enchant?

Curious about your sudden interest in me :3

[Flea The Magician]

I also realised shortly after it wasn't a reads list.

[Flea The Magician]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

If you were my brain I'd be wanting more than a few words with you. Why do you think I should vote you?
Oddly I'm more interested in your thoughts than in manatees.

[Flea The Magician]

I thought faer hop onto Gamma was awkward

I feel like fae would've mentioned something about voting the same person as faer top scumread for most of the day (Auro)

General dissatisfaction with the leading wagons

Well it appears MM is at least able to extract some information.

The replace out of the hydra to a single player while still suspicious does confirm that Xtomx is really not feeling the game. My interactions with auro were good enough that I could bump them to a neutral read. Given also that end of phase is approaching it was time to begin consolidating and not riding what was essentially a vanity wagon with me being the sole participant.

damned if you, damned if you dont I guess.

I feel like when scum hydrae replace out typically all the heads fall at once
It’s probably NAI that Auro remained in but I think on a base theoretical level your idea of the main replacing the hydra being scummy is flawed.

Where in that post do I say the main replacing the hydra is scummy?

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and as for WWSF do, scum flea would absolutely vote enchant for that wagon.

Enchant either goes super townie and becomes untouchable, or super scummy.
Gamma can be raged or made apathetic and made to appear scummy.

ex-fucking-scuse me I can obvtown too

Yes, you can, but in the same post you prove my point

[Flea The Magician]

I hate the ManateeGal wagon ftr. My money is on Thor and Flea scum.

You lost money in that case.

If you said OR, then maybe.

[Flea The Magician]

Sads here PP. Lots of sads.

MM, PP is town.

Mama Bear hates when her kids fight. Can we defeat gods instead of each other?

I know I have a god complex but c'mon :3

[Flea The Magician]

i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.

They are very different, you got accused and vanished.
Here you're just vanished.

Weird how a naked vote is good though.

[Flea The Magician]

Auro Flea Thor.

Those are the three I want. Enchant is a compromise but I worry that's a language barrier.

Not feeling these SRs rn

Same.
I might dig into these a little.

[Flea The Magician]

I need to go back to the workshop and come up with an alternative strategy, I'll get to it.

Alternatively, read people and leave mechanics behind.

It is more than clear you can not work out mechanics here.

[Flea The Magician]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

If you were my brain I'd be wanting more than a few words with you. Why do you think I should vote you?
Oddly I'm more interested in your thoughts than in manatees.

I dunno. I feel like people have kind of avoided talking about the idea of me being scum but I don't feel like I'm really anyone's townread. I think you mentioned scumreading me at some point, so I wondered if there was a particular reason you were working around that read.

I put you down as a spicy solve.

Why would I vote you in particular when I can vote any of the others in that solve?
Why not press the read at the time?

[Flea The Magician]

13 players with 9 potential roles, 8 are PRs, and 2 alignments.

I need a script for this...

[Flea The Magician]

actually I cba because I have to write it for each player getting the role once, then reducing 1 available role.

The answer is lots o setup potential.

[Flea The Magician]

A hydra is a hydra. While I can understand Xtomx is hesitant and unlikely to post they are still a player in this game. Your slot is the responsibility of both heads, and I get chewed out when I don't consider an entire hydra (even if I'm right).

Readable content should be organic, not forced. I'm not going to go through your ISO and interrogate every post because that would be pointless and forced. It would also potentially stall the game going back excessively instead of moving forward.

My slot is the responsibility of both heads - sure. Divided 99-1.

My content

is

organically readable, seemingly to everyone but you. You can't expect me to magically conjure content that you specifically find readable when I don't understand what would make it so.

Additionally, I don't know why you'd have to "interrogate me over every post" to gain readable content from me, like, can't we just engage/talk about stuff?

-Harvey

Flea and Harvey unlikely S v S.

There it is.

Me and Auro aren't SvS but we're buddies apparently.

VOTE: Titus
Choo Choo, lets go.

[Flea The Magician]

include vanilla as its a role. not a PR but still.

[Flea The Magician]

could be as little as 1 if were honest, if we want to go full "omg wat"

Titus, ignoring the blatent and multiple misgendering, you wish.

I'm chill af, I don't care if I go down today, I know what I picked, I know what I got.
I'm not forcing any of your reads, or asking for them to be frozen. Your reads probably have changed, but to go from "they're not SvS" to "BUDDIEZ!" and to tack on the one person I've been pretty hard on all phase, is interesting. MG is a light scumread, and I said I much preferred Thor when I voted.

Now look who flailled.

[Flea The Magician]

Your post looks like a scumteam prediction.

I have never been scared playing this game... except in among us where I realise I'd fucked up massively lol

Where do I say I'm hard on Auro?

[Flea The Magician]

MG is a light scumread, and I said I much preferred Thor when I voted.

Funny, it's typical buddy behavior to scumread their buddy but prefer another (or, any other) wagon.

MG needs to be eliminated today. Red flip will have me gunning for flea.

Honestly the read I have on MG is the same as the read I had on Xtomx. They're not here for me to read, therefore avoiding the game, therefore red.

[Flea The Magician]

A) Because I'm largely right and won't vote town.

Shame that you are then really.

[Flea The Magician]

Your reads probably have changed, but to go from "they're not SvS" to "BUDDIEZ!" and to tack on the one person I've been pretty hard on all phase, is interesting.

Also, if you're hard on Auro, where's your vote?

Ok so if I've been hard on Auro, who did you declare I was not SvS with?


oh yeah....

that's a misrep.

[Flea The Magician]

I've been drilling into Thor most of the day based on the mechspec. Manatee is red based on absence, which is a crappy ass reason for a D1, especially when the same logic applies to Auros slot with Xtomx.

Lemme know when you're ready to stop trying to misrep me and stop digging your own hole titus. You're so determined to see me strung up you're the one flailing wildly.

[Flea The Magician]

MG is a light scumread, and I said I much preferred Thor when I voted.

Funny, it's typical buddy behavior to scumread their buddy but prefer another (or, any other) wagon.

MG needs to be eliminated today. Red flip will have me gunning for flea.

Honestly the read I have on MG is the same as the read I had on Xtomx. They're not here for me to read, therefore avoiding the game, therefore red.

While I can understand you handling them similarly MG isn’t a hydra slot, and I think Auro might be the top poster, so you could surely read him?

yeah I have, and I covered that in a previous post. Auro is in the top end of my nulls, currently, there is some bias from their former hydra partner there. I have stated a couple of times that I like Auros posting.

[Flea The Magician]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

[Flea The Magician]

Strike 3, you're out!
VOTE: Thor

Oof.

[Flea The Magician]

I'll admit that thor vote lasted all of 9 minutes...

because shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

Almost like...

shifting everyone onto thor is going to suck especially given I am read so low apparently.

[Flea The Magician]

Thanks for the biggest smile I've had all day btw, this is funny af.

and I even caught a shiny lugia on pokégo.

[Flea The Magician]

So how have you been hard on Thor Flea?

Aggressive dismantling of their mechspec, pushing on their latest one, which actually I don't recall getting answers to, I need to check that - thanks for the reminder - and beginning to actually attack supposed playstyle, despite being a mech heavy player myself.

For me that's pretty harsh/hard. Beyond that I go into tunnel mode.

[Flea The Magician]

@Flea

in your experience is Xtoxm significantly more lurkish as scum?
I was thinking about my own experiences with severely mismatched activity in hydrae and I realized this could be a thing

I don't have any experience with them, and given the current site meta to flake on red, I have to consider that option.

I personally don’t recall any such meta from Xtoxm but Almost50 managed to develop a habit of lurking/flaking as scum despite him not having that sort of style before

So I did some digging and I could see Xtoxm maybe hanging back and letting Auro drive as scum but by personal meta I think Xtoxm would be more likely to flake out as town, his scum meta seems to be to kinda subtly steer the game while putting on an appearance of not doing much

I am mildly concerned that you're attempting to subtlety steer my auro read, there's more pressing matters right now.

[Flea The Magician]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

If you were my brain I'd be wanting more than a few words with you. Why do you think I should vote you?
Oddly I'm more interested in your thoughts than in manatees.

I dunno. I feel like people have kind of avoided talking about the idea of me being scum but I don't feel like I'm really anyone's townread. I think you mentioned scumreading me at some point, so I wondered if there was a particular reason you were working around that read.

I put you down as a spicy solve.

Why would I vote you in particular when I can vote any of the others in that solve?
Why not press the read at the time?

that's what i was wondering.

Well thats what I'm asking.
Why did you not press and poke the read at the time?

[Flea The Magician]

Thor what benefit do you think bringing back mechanical talk at this late stage of D1 brings to the game?
Given the amount of mechanics you've discussed over the day, why not bring this up earlier?
If you have read any of these games previously, how can you be so blatantly unaware of the setup mechanics on multiple fronts?

Thor these need answering.
It's not optional, and don't pull BS like the worst or Titus is currently trying.

[Flea The Magician]

I have personally had to deal with a scum partner who ended up flaking out and leaving me to dry a few times, so I felt like I was qualified to look at that situation with Xtoxm and judge whether that made sense
Off the top of my head I can reference 3 games where that had happened to me

Thats you, not me. Each hydra is different. Fairy Circle vs Angel Warriors vs Celestial Powerhouse will all have different activity tells and different responses to red pms, despite all 3 being me, mom and nora.

[Flea The Magician]

i did indeed see those, i just kept reading (didn't register that you actually wanted a response to #2)

1) idk I'm not your brain!! i was asking you!!!!!
2) more interested in manatee doing a read on you than I am in answering this

If you were my brain I'd be wanting more than a few words with you. Why do you think I should vote you?
Oddly I'm more interested in your thoughts than in manatees.

I dunno. I feel like people have kind of avoided talking about the idea of me being scum but I don't feel like I'm really anyone's townread. I think you mentioned scumreading me at some point, so I wondered if there was a particular reason you were working around that read.

I put you down as a spicy solve.

Why would I vote you in particular when I can vote any of the others in that solve?
Why not press the read at the time?

that's what i was wondering.

Well thats what I'm asking.
Why did you not press and poke the read at the time?

can't remember - probably focused on other stuff.

Then why raise it now?

[Flea The Magician]

yup, Fairy Circle is me and Momrangal, Angel Warriors is Momrangal and Noraa, Celestial Powerhouse is all 3 of us

[Flea The Magician]

Made better by the fact we're all in very different timezones, me and mom are 11 hours apart lol
Anyway

[Flea The Magician]

I have personally had to deal with a scum partner who ended up flaking out and leaving me to dry a few times, so I felt like I was qualified to look at that situation with Xtoxm and judge whether that made sense
Off the top of my head I can reference 3 games where that had happened to me

Thats you, not me. Each hydra is different. Fairy Circle vs Angel Warriors vs Celestial Powerhouse will all have different activity tells and different responses to red pms, despite all 3 being me, mom and nora.

Oh so THAT’S who’s behind Celestial Powerhouses
Not that I cared, y’all just made a big deal about remaining secret lol

And just because we don’t handle hydra’ing the same way doesn’t negate my feeling that something could actually be up with the H+H slot
That slot feels like how I played in Dance of the Dark Fairy where I had to pull my slot out of the abyss because A50 was doing his new lurkscum meta and I was kinda way-laid by IRL for the first day or so, and I managed to act natural enough in my reaction to being screwed over like that that I ended up endgaming
As such I lowkey don’t want Auro anywhere near endgame

We did... until those two "slipped" because it was funny, at which point it's now an open secret lol.
DotDF truely screwed you over, the difference being that Auro has been active where you initial weren't for IRL reasons.
And seconded, I don't want Auro around for endgame.

[Flea The Magician]

i think i probably felt like your vote on Auro was stale, and was interested in whether anyone would be following House onto me.

It was definitely stale, but at the time it was still serving some purpose.

House is fairly high on my reads currently, though the latest activity seems a little sus.

[Flea The Magician]

i'm surprised people aren't seeing that manatee has gone into anti-spew mode.

pedit: auro does get progressively more readable when his posts are backed by flips imo!

That requires her to be here.

[Flea The Magician]

still trying to get the next one a little more balanced, the flavour is sorted and a little more chaotic, just need to make sure it's balanced >.<

[Flea The Magician]

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Yes. This summarisation of her opinion on the votes on her is scumhunting.

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

[Flea The Magician]

Am I genuinely having that weird a day where I'm just completely failing to communicate or this game collectively decided that I just speak another language?

[Flea The Magician]

ebwop i guess?

Scumhunting varies from player to player.

I'm not "bending over backwards" trying to explain that principle. You've been stubborn and bullheaded. You're picking fights because people don't think like you. First Gamma and now Manatee.

Yes. This summarisation of her opinion on the votes on her is scumhunting. THIS IS CLEARLY SARCASM, AS THE FOLLOWING QUOTE CONTAINS ABSOLUTELY NO SCUMHUNTING WHATSOEVER AND IS IN FACT - AS STATED - A SUMMARISATION OF HER OPINION ON THE VOTES ON HER.

Bee vote on me i think is pretty good. The intention feels genuine and I think their desire for a new wagon reads as pretty towny in general.
Gamma's vote is ???? Im pretty sure they were already scumreading me so im not sure why they used bee starting a pressure wagon as the time to lay down a vote
the worst had a naked vote,, which makes sense and is fine with meeeeeee. not much 2 read in to here.
Thor said my iso sent shivers down his spine which is fair,,, cos same im not proud of what ive done so far.
i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.
pp naked vote is fine.

[Flea The Magician]

I'll be sure to make sure all future sarcasm is fully noted for you Gamma.

/s

[Flea The Magician]

we can do bee d2

Or we can listen to me D2

Alternatively we can not because you're wrong and either scum or so blinded by your tunnel it's funny.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

Naked vote. Must be town. My bad yo.

The above statement is sarcasm.

[Flea The Magician]

i dont think flea really thinks my frozen-ness here is comparable to NQN (i think thats what fae is talking abt). not a fan of that vote cos i think those scenarios are pretty different.

For everyone else here who doesn't have context into that game, do you mind going into what you meant here? Like how the two scenarios are different.

She was caught out by Morph (cabd/ffery hydra) and froze up when questioned on it. her activity there was also questionable and her absence here is currently similar to that pattern.

it is slightly different in that the direct accusations aren't quite to the level morphs was... and she's not in a mason PT with me with time. As a wolf.

[Flea The Magician]

MG while you're here, justify your vote on me.

Unlike you, I don't stand for naked votes, because that's how I get flash wagoned for no damn reason.

[Flea The Magician]

I was kinda hoping for more than that.

You've had enough time since my vote on you, and have made enough posts since, to vote for me before now.

So why now?

[Flea The Magician]

idk i kind of sorted through my thoughts from the post I made abt everyone voting me. after singling you and gamma out and generally liking gamma more as of recent pages it left you to vote.

i really dont like your vote on me and i am extremely doubtful my wagon is completely clean

My vote was worse than a naked vote?
well damn.

thing is your vote on me feels like a grasp for whatever other wagon could gain tractions to try and save your own skin.

Have a read through me and titus, let me know your thoughts.

Thor, there are questions for you to answer back somewhere. They're in my ISO.

I'm off to bed.

pedit: I want to say Titus wouldn't be so blatant about buddying... but I can't say for sure. soooo....

My pool currently lies in Titus, MG, thor and worst.

Tatty bye.

[Flea The Magician]

pedit belongs at the bottom... dafuq -.-;
3am posting is not recomended when you're in pain lol

[Flea The Magician]

ftr MG... I left your wagon a while ago

[Flea The Magician]

i think both players had at least some aforementioned read on me, and they didnt try to posture their vote with a reasoning i disagree with

Ah yes, because I have the energy to posture and position myself.

we could just flash elim enchant for the laughs.

i would be fine w this

Funny that....

Spoiler: What even is this progression?

is there a basis for the enchant wagon im missing?

mine seems to be based off of lack of content or interactions which is... fine considering what i've done so far.

@Enchant

well yea obviously but it still reads like performative outrage

if enough people arent reading it the same way i am then im ready to admit my interpretation is wrong

and
VOTE: Enchant

I'd love to hear your thoughts on my attack on Gamma, Fae/Gamma's positions, House, and Enchant.

I think House stepped up his play and has posted a lot I find myself in agreement with lately: I find that towny. What do you think?

-Harvey

i relooked at gammas iso and theres not much that really jumped out for a townread. I think your analysis of his content before seems on-point and he's probably a player i'll be keeping my out for.

is fae flea? i know those r the pronouns fae uses.

I'd agree that house stepped it up, though I'll admit I'm not really a fan of his vote on me. In most of his other content I either agree or find the process servicable so im not going to let one piece taint completely my viewpoint.

Enchant is still doing pretty meh. I'm voting him just for pressure at this point but it doesn't appear effective and I'm really waiting for more from him so I can formulate a push or move somewhere else.

am procrastinating from an actual catch-up. continuing to not like enchant

my reads in poorly formatted list

[Titus, Bee]
[CSF. the worst, PP, Auro, House]
[S_S, Thor, MM] null
[Enchant, Gamma]
[Flea]

ok im gonna lay this out as calmly as i can cos today has been very very frustrating in and out of game.

house you are either purposely or unconciously misunderstanding and miscontruing my statements regarding my wagon. gammas vote on me was directly after bee placed their vote stating they wanted to wagon me to develop a read. i thought this was odd considering gamma had already stated. i am begging u to look critically and analytically at my statement and think about context.

this kinda makes sense but just because I followed Bee doesn't mean I shared her reason for voting you

ohh i guess i could understand that. i'll admit my conclusion on you was wrong then

You are having a lot of wrong conclusions this game.

[Flea The Magician]

enchant, thor, flea and midnight are the four people i'm like, constantly and acutely anxious about. i'd rather not tier my townreads rn.

i had this brief strong feeling like flea might be town earlier when fae got really fussy and nitpicky about my asking faer a question, but on reflection i don't think the things fae was picking at were actually trying to discern anything from me and i think that pseudo-guilty rock i got in my gut was because fae was trying to make me slip up. :s

is it weird to put so much emphasis on our interaction to read faer? probably. oh well. i'm a weird person.

pedit: literally kill thor before ELo. please.

Was trying to work out what the hell your thought process is. I've spent the bulk of this game stoned and I think my thought process has been more transparent.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Titus

I'll go digging for your questions later, Magic Flea.

You will be held to this.

[Flea The Magician]

You're not convincing anyone with this sort of thing. The only players it convinces is the person you're protecting that you're town.

Now at this point you've been around long enough to at least find the questions and start an answer.

I'm assuming evasion at this point.

[Flea The Magician]

Titus is moon logic acolyte. Idk if that's really scummy for her.

This isn't moon logic. This is scum!titus trying to manipulate.

[Flea The Magician]

Wagons are springing up fast no matter who they land on, it seems.

Y'all are bloodthirsty.

Seems to be within a limited pool.
I feel with have a deepwolf trying to force wagon manipulation.

[Flea The Magician]

I did say trying.
Never said they were succeeding.

[Flea The Magician]

About to get my first vax. Will be without internet for a few hours.

Good luck, make sure you have water. You will need it.

[Flea The Magician]

I'll try to check in tonight but it's date night. I may not be back and active before deadline. For that reason, I will claim. I'm the universal backup.

I call BS.

Like hell you got that as the last pick.

[Flea The Magician]

*squints*

yeah ok, missed that. let you off.


oh fair warning to everyone, I'm back on the pain meds because fuck this flare up -.-; longest one yet

[Flea The Magician]

If Titus, Gamma and Bee joins the wagon, that'll be all my solid townreads.

I'm typically pretty paranoid of Titus, but she was after Enchant's blood most of the day and she doesn't bus.

Literally the only thing stopping me going back into tunnelling...

and the claim doesn't change my read ftr, scum could've picked UB as much as town.

[Flea The Magician]

I think everyone on that Enchant wagon is likely town.

Concur. They at least get a pass until day 2

It is day 2...

I am not wanting an MM wagon today.

Why not? I mean too late but still.

[Flea The Magician]

Ah yes, lettuce reveal the cop and potentially screw ourselves going forward.

Good plan. much approve.

S_S Stop alt hunting. He doesn't want to reveal so leave him be.

Thor, there's misunderstanding, then there's mech-speccing and being so wrong you may as well be in a different game.

[Flea The Magician]

S_S Stop alt hunting. He doesn't want to reveal so leave him be.

I mean the problem is that either he's this bad at understanding mechanics or he's scum trolling, and very few people are this bad at understanding mechanics. So if he can prove he has a history of this, then I won't think he's scum trolling anymore.

Or he's an established scummer trying to get more into mechsolving without potentially screwing up the meta on their main?

[Flea The Magician]

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

[Flea The Magician]

Am I misremembering? I thought he was the one who argued that Thor was scummy for messing up mechanics. And now you're pushing back against it, but you didn't push against it yesterday.

Saving this for later to confirm

#PhonePost

[Flea The Magician]

Well, that's assuming that he's actually as bad at mechanics as he's acting. If he isn't, then he doesn't have that option, you are right.

I don't care about how bad he is or isn't at mechanics.

How else do you want to defend your behavior?

I'll put it this way, if it makes it clearer: I've seen lots of scum players use incredibly shady tactics, including (but not limited to) playing on an alt in a way that they would never get away with playing on their main, to the point where I can believe that some people (especially old ones) might try this as scum.

Whereas, I don't think I've met a single person who displayed both the amount of interest in mechanics and the amount of ineptitude with mechanics that Thor has. I've seen some people be bad at mechanics; but that's because they don't care, and they would never go to the lengths he did to make these theories.

Hi, I'm Flea, also MHTP, Hades and Malefleacent.
I play differently on each account
I also take a LOT of interest in mechanics.

For you to take shady actions as a scum alt, you have to take shady actions as a town alt

Your argument doesn't hold.

#phoneposting

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not a big fan of associating activity with alignment, but i have to admit a touch of concern over the fact Auro has less posts than Datisi.

Add the posts from the Harvey & Haley account.

You kinda dropped off and I'm getting a lil concerned again

[Flea The Magician]

For you to take shady actions as a scum alt, you have to take shady actions as a town alt

Oh, so like that game where unwnd rolled SK and pretended to be a newbie? He would have done that as town?

You're projecting based on your own alt experiences.

No, I'm projecting based on Meta Manipulation tactics.

You're better than this

Also where's your argument for

this

lol

I make pissy protest votes all the time

True. But that is just a completely shitty vote. And I've played with you a couple of times, remember?

[Flea The Magician]

Can a couple of people unvote me? I'm really starting to feel the pressure and it's making it really hard to form coherent thoughts without being worried more people will scumread me for saying something dumb. It's hard for me to work in these constrained environments.

More reason to keep it on you, honestly. the AtE is not a good look and it's lacking actual emotional content.

If you had spent the day parked on Enchant and he flipped green, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you, because your have been being your vote on your analysis.

Seconded. You did all that analysis, and avoided the result. If there's a way to prove your conviction in your own work, your vote should follow the results.

I'm clearly never scum with Miss Midnight if you look at how she reacted to me earlier in this game.

I have the power to kill and I'm willing to direct my shot based on what town thinks is best.

I'm hoping you have proof of this.also that fucking claim though.

Bee 5

Miss Midnight 8

Something_Smart 9

Thor Ragnarok 10

Auro 69

Titus 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

the worst 3

Cat Scratch Fever 3

Enchant 4

House 4

Flea The Magician 13
Gamma Emerald 13
PenguinPower 15
ManateeGal 15

I'd be shocked if none of the top 5 were scum. Bee and Titus seem likely town for pushing Enchant and Titus being counterwagoned to him. Something_Smart has felt towny this game for other reasons.

This as well as Enchant's play and reads leads strongly to one of Miss Midnight or Auro beings scum.

The other scum by my wager is in the bottom 4.

Given Enchant picked 4, House is always town, and it makes Cat Scratch Fever a lot less likely to be scum too since scum like to spread their number picks out and not pick numbers next to each other. The faulty reasoning in this is that they don't like being too close to each other in fear of looking partnered, but this is flawed and not how randomness works.

That is the shittiest clear I have witnessed in a long time.

Interesting you didn't vote for Miss Midnight when she was your counterwagon and at 4 votes.

ok betelgeuse much?

No, I'm projecting based on Meta Manipulation tactics.

I mean projecting in the psychology sense (assuming that other people think/act similarly to you). Just because you would never play differently as scum on a gimmick alt doesn't mean nobody would. And people do, because I've seen it.

ok psychology time.
I know nobody will think or act similarly to me. my methods are weird, and yes on an alt I play differently. I play differently in hydras too
Now my initial point was that people can and will play differently on alts. You have simply enforced that point but played it as though its your point and not mine.
Now you're keeping my vote.

But that is just a completely shitty vote.

Is it though? You saw my reasoning, right?

Yesterday the worst was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and everyone kinda ignored him.

Today, after he's dead, I was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and PP was like "no that argument is stupid and you are stupid". And I would have loved for him to say that back when tw was alive, so that he could help me argue against it, and I have no idea why he didn't. That's why I voted him.

Small problem... I'm not attacking your Thor vote.

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

I'm attacking your PP vote.

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

Do you think S_S is a better elim than MM or Thor today?

Not better, but certainly getting up there.

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

This could be fun.

VOTE: S_S

Care to elaborate?

[Flea The Magician]

Do you honestly believe that people alt just so they can openwolf freely? Slight strawman, but you should see my point?

[Flea The Magician]

Okay, if you insist.

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: S_S

You're better than this

#PhonePosting

You're better than this

Also where's your argument for

this

lol

I make pissy protest votes all the time

True. But that is just a completely shitty vote. And I've played with you a couple of times, remember?

But that is just a completely shitty vote.

Is it though? You saw my reasoning, right?

Yesterday the worst was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and everyone kinda ignored him.

Today, after he's dead, I was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and PP was like "no that argument is stupid and you are stupid". And I would have loved for him to say that back when tw was alive, so that he could help me argue against it, and I have no idea why he didn't. That's why I voted him.

reads like thor reasoning to me. But I am stoned and tired, so will reread later.

[Flea The Magician]

My name is Thor Odinson Ragnarok, and I will pick my power, in this game, or the next.

Not sure what annoys me more ..

The End of world event being used as a name, or the mech ignorance.

Ragnarök is what happens when Fenris breaks free of his chains, eats Odin, Tyr, Heimdall and I think Freya; and Jorgmandr aka the world serpent wakes up and basically turns everyone into a hashtag. Thor and Loki also specifically die.

Fun fact about Norse lore, prophecies HAD to happen. That's why Loki killed Baldr, it was fated and had to happen.

[Flea The Magician]

Just as a heads up and for

@Mod

I am having a really rough time with my MH currently and spoons are limited <3

[Flea The Magician]

Because he hammered without a claim twice?

He could have singlehandedly lost us the game if either of them had been a strong PR. And probably he would have continued to do harm if left alive.

You realise that the claims mean nothing without flips anyway?
The PRs aren't alignment locked.

[Flea The Magician]

Not an outright claim but a blatant soft.

"I have kill power" is a little more than a soft....

[Flea The Magician]

ok honestly I'm massively disconnected rn and I cannot remember my reads. ama. lol

[Flea The Magician]

Not sure what MH means but hope you feel better soon, Flea.

Mental health.

You realise that the claims mean nothing without flips anyway?
The PRs aren't alignment locked.

You realize that PR's can do useful things if they aren't killed? And may even have results that will be valuable if they do die...

We cannot allow a wagon to dissipate based on a PR claim.

VOTE: S_S

[Flea The Magician]

Or the scum claimed cop can true claim all the way through to YOLO, or given the kills we have, scum have a giggle

[Flea The Magician]

Or the scum claimed cop can true claim all the way through to YOLO, or given the kills we have, scum have a giggle

Then they have to confirm like 4 people as town though...

Who get shot miraculously at night.

[Flea The Magician]

If there is one shot vig (suggested by the flip(, then scum won't block you because they are town. They blocked the nightkill last night.

...


Want to go into a little more detail Titus?

[Flea The Magician]

If there is one shot vig (suggested by the flip(, then scum won't block you because they are town. They blocked the nightkill last night.

...


Want to go into a little more detail Titus?

Titus is suggesting that House was the vig kill not the scum kill. She saying the scum kill got blocked.

possible but house was a bad vig shot.

possible but house was a bad vig shot.

House had terrible reads and his hammers

none of this expands on how titus has this information.

[Flea The Magician]

Because it's suggested by the flip supposedly.

[Flea The Magician]

Because it's suggested by the flip supposedly.

Yes. House was anti-town. I don't see why scum kill him.

That's not the same as knowing it.

Fair, had me worried then that you were TMI'ing

[Flea The Magician]

ftr I fully believe House was the NK as that's the shot I would've made.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: S_S

If Thor's off the table for today, this is where I prefer to go next. I'm not fond of his Bee vote, and he mysteriously dropped his push on Thor from day 2.

Anything else?

I'm a bit suspicious of S_S but not for the lack of a Thor push, his content just seems really forced.

Forced how?

[Flea The Magician]

sorry im here!! Im a little hesitant but mostly confident w s_s right now so i'll check everyones thoughts out tonight

Why?

[Flea The Magician]

That is... quite a lot of support for a wagon that has no reason behind it.

hyup. am concerned.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: CSF

time to sit here.

[Flea The Magician]

Anything else?

He's also not given me much reason to townread him all game.

So bad vote and PoE?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: CSF

time to sit here.

Why?

[she]'s also not given me much reason to townread [her] all game.

[Flea The Magician]

I need to reread, honestly, first time off meds for a couple weeks and brain is futzy from dehydration.

I don't remember much of you, honestly, and I dislike your vote on S_S the most.

[Flea The Magician]

Hell day has been hell, and LARP is a spoonsink.

Have hospital tomorrow but will attempt to catch up. (Nothing major, being sent for an urgent blood test for the docs to rule out something I'm sure is functioning normally)

[Flea The Magician]

I suggest the D1 VCs as those had the most competition/changing around.

I also forgot Flea was in this game. .-.

Rude. Honestly todays VCs are probably the most telling in terms of alignment I reckon.

[Flea The Magician]

ok caught up, bottom of my pool rn is CSF and S_S

need to look over the vote patterns, also need to iso pp

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly todays VCs are probably the most telling in terms of alignment I reckon.

I sometimes feel like we're reading different games.

We are, by simple basis of I am not you, and you are not me.

[Flea The Magician]

Gentoo or Arch?

Arch, always.

[Flea The Magician]

Auro and Flea atm.

I dare you to elaborate.

[Flea The Magician]

If Auro is scum I kind of think Titus makes sense as a partner?

Given his last post about her (I’m on mobile)+ UB is a good pick for that point in the draft + no one is actually defending him but he’s trying to distance a little bit but it feels awkward and weak.

If S_S is scum I think that Flea is his partner more likely, Flea having him and CSF in fae’s pool but voting CSF and prodding there on the premise (?) that CSF’s vote on S_S was bad is because fae isn’t talking about it being a bus or anything.

Fleas brain is doing some incredible shit rn. and bottom of poe is not a solve, not now, not ever.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Bee

Caught up, this is where I'm at, admittedly I can't read her for the life of me, but eh.

[Flea The Magician]

The way you presented S_S at the end of your catch-up as bottom of PoE felt clunky to me after the way you approached CSF, but I was assuming it was them together. :/

Why did you have S_S as POE?

Something really isn't sitting right with me, and I hate that I can't nail it. Given my current mental inconsistencies this is concerning.
Also that meme just called me clean out -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

Flea unvoting S_S doesn't feel super S/T (although for later reference, I think it did come after PP's unvote), but also if S/S, why vote there at all? I waffle on Flea
a lot, but I feel like Flea's actions don't make that much sense as town.

I should probably think about Auro teams, but that'll have to come later tonight.

which ironically is my biggest town vs scum tell.

I don't recall you waffling on me much actually, I've had bare minimum interaction with you and nothing you've really said up to now has really stood out.

[Flea The Magician]

Auro and Flea atm.

I dare you to elaborate.

that's a good one...you are funny

Yeah I thought as much.

[Flea The Magician]

hmm... both my lower nulls in a 1vs1... amusing.

[Flea The Magician]

Kewl, I knew I should've fking kept on Auro -.-;

Eugh will revisit my reads at some point. I just got post that pissed me off.

[Flea The Magician]

For now,

VOTE: Flea

Bad vote and you know it.


Meanwhile.
VOTE: PP
Because my gut ain't leaving here and frankly I'm already a setup mislim.

[Flea The Magician]

I think going Flea/Thor just wins the game.

And I know you are wrong.

But indulge me. Why?

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and to make it clear, today I am a self-hammer. Because I know most of you absolutely will not drop me, despite any anti-associatives that exist and the fact my brain has been less functional than Spongebobs for the past 2 weeks.

[Flea The Magician]

Kewl, I knew I should've fking kept on Auro -.-;

Eugh will revisit my reads at some point. I just got post that pissed me off.

this b scummy post

Elaborate. You're so set on me and you have done jack all game. We've played before, and I've seen you do more before.

[Flea The Magician]

You have over 100 posts more than me, and all I can remember of you is memes and pagetops.

Admittedly all I've done is question myself and my sanity repeatedly.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh and your refusal to actually elaborate on anything.

[Flea The Magician]

I've asked you twice, you haven't.
And yes actually I do have a bad memory, it's why I work on gut more often than not.

Side note, I'm going to laugh if this is right.

Spicy take:
2 or 3 scum in Peng,

H+H

,

manatee

and

worst

, maybe

MM

. Still need to reread her.

[Flea The Magician]

I've seen worse gambits.

C'mon then oh mighty master of the newbie queue.

I double dare you.

Elaborate.

Instead of dodging the little bits I'm throwing, actually respond to them maybe?