2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hi

Niamh playing this game.

I don't have a vote this game. See the vote count and the star next to my name.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If people need bonus proof I can attempt to vote someone for shits and giggles but

yeah

I don't have a vote for this entire game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If people need bonus proof I can attempt to vote someone for shits and giggles

I would appreciate seeing this just for full clarity.

Sure.

Vote:Kilga

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who here actually knows Touhou?

I wonder what this “Touhou” you speak of. It kinda sounds like Tofu. Is it edible as well?

No no no, she said "Boo Hoo" like the sound I make when I get bounced off one of the trains you summon form your gap portals in Hisotensoku.

Again.

and Again.

and Again.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No no no, she said "Boo Hoo" like the sound I make when I get bounced off one of the trains you summon form your gap portals in Hisotensoku.

I love playing as Marisa in that game...

Give me Sakuya or give me Knife Maids.

so... so just Knife Maids.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are we roleplaying now, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are we roleplaying now, lol

Always have been

Sure, I'm in.

Be right back as I drink my elixir, burn down a temple. and never die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are we roleplaying now, lol

Always have been

Sure, I'm in.

Be right back as I drink my elixir, burn down a temple. and never die.

LLD, your idea of roleplay seems more fun then the dancing stuff going on. Can I roll up a halfling rogue to adventure with you?

Sure. Don't mind me. I'm a phoenix girl doing a big protecc for her friends.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I just realized that if I am to properly roleplay I need to actually lurk until twilight which is not possible due to the fact that I will be replaced. Slightly less lazy Yukari it is.

You can roleplay having a teaparty with me. I'm immortal and votelesss. Teaparty is my whole thing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh yeah tea party could be fun. Let me grab the tea real quick.

*opens a small gap and puts hand in*

Any particular brew you enjoy the most? This mansion has a quite of collection so I’m sure it will have what you like.

I enjoy Mint and Earl Grey as a mix.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wait a second, what if it’s an instant death vote and hence the* by their vote…
Is there ANY reason why you haven’t used your vote LLD? :/

???

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If people need bonus proof I can attempt to vote someone for shits and giggles but

yeah

I don't have a vote for this entire game.

If people need bonus proof I can attempt to vote someone for shits and giggles

I would appreciate seeing this just for full clarity.

Sure.

Vote:Kilga

「 Doujin 」

Votecount 1.0

2hu Girls:

NorweegianboyEE [2]: Sanae, Lukewarm
Lady Lambdadelta [2]: Gamma Emerald, Kilgamayan
Lukewarm [1]: SirCakez
Gamma Emerald [1]: Aaron

Not Voting: (7) Kakeguri Addicts, NorweegianboyEE, Yukari Yakumo, Lady Lambdadelta*, Kop, Titus, RegRider

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate. D1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-14 00:25:25).

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No vote indeed, I see, I see. That's unfortunate for LLD.

UNVOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Confusing avatar isn't so sweet. Obfuscation gets an ED1 yeet!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's a 6 page game, are you just not readnig?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This could all have been avoided if LLD didn’t use the wrong and garbage vote tag. :c

Boy I wish I had a vote right now.

To be clear, anti angleshooting rules means moderators have to accept votes that are labelled as votes.

What you are currently suggesting is the equivalent of suggesting I am attempting to cheat, for the record. And I don't really appreciate it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am also going to say that I didn’t really like the timing of Norwee’s claim, which happened right after potentially fueling LLD’s ire. That kinda read like a panic defense to me.

I agree, it almost feels like he setup his provable role section, then waited for pressure, and then claimed and slipped in the second part and was like "look townie power".

I... I am hesitant.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wonderful question, dear. About last time, I don't believe Lady Yukari's flip in perspective is quite the same. Lady Yukari's felt more like a sudden realization whereas Sir Reg's is harder to decipher. I'm not sure it means anything but I don't think these two are comparable.

I think Lady Titus is most likely not a spy but I'm not very confident in that.

Hum hum hum what else was there? Oh right, yes Lady Yukari. I think she is not a spy. Just look how relaxed she is with not a care in the world ... I mean she is wearing pajamas to this dance. Nonetheless, I think no spy speaks with such clever perky tone. She is not flaunting her little findings but she is also constantly scanning the room for spies. An ally, she is.

Left foot back. What does Sir gamma think of Lady Mary's bright voice this lovely night? I heard the spies invented a new voice adjuster pill! Rumor has it that these pills are made of goblin blood. I'm quite sure that is illegal.

Am I gonna be Lady Lady Lambdadelta?

I don't think you thought this through~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mary’s read on me is what I’d expect, but it doesn’t make her not a suspect. I’m waiting to see what Yumeko will provide, so for her content I will abide.
Left foot to the right, one last request. Does Lady Lambdadelta pass your test?

It was a delight dancing with you, good sir. For your last question, hum hum, depending on what you're asking, I'll answer them all.
I will be calling that fair lady at the bar Lady Delta moving forward.

As for my test, if not about names, you would be talking about my top secret test - to discern if one is a spy or ally. Well, Lady Delta comes out uncertain. Her cheerfulness is intriguing but perhaps unsuitable for such a horrible occasion. Just a couple days ago, we received news of three spies infiltrating our ranks. How can she be so happy in times such as these?! So far though, I will say, that I think there are no great reasons to suspect this fair lady and so, she is ally for now.

A wonderful rest of your night to you sir.

Just call me Lady Niamh. It works best.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

v/la have a flight soon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is all thanks to your ability to lead, but it is a lovely dance.

Titus and Norwee are the first two members of my ally list. I desperately want to add LLD to that list as well. The idea that LLD could be a spy fills me with much dread. I have make a couple moves to dance with her as well, but I am not sure if she is missing my signals or is choosing to ignoring them.

Kakeguri and yourself are both tentatively on the waiting list.

There is no one else who I feel that I have seen a reason to consider adding.

I'm moving into a new house, I don't have a vote and I don't see a current reason to advoate for anything.

When I don't have a vote, I lack pressure application, so I choose to take a back seat examination of the thread. I'll make more time for this game, but the truth is

I'm developing reads and not sharing them right now because if I'm going to make a move without a vote I'm gonna wanna have a sense of the dynamics first.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I like Luke's norwee townread on this page the best!

It's so fleshed out and thoughtful.

VOTE: Kilgamayan

You write so many words but there isn't a lot in there.

I don't think you are sorting me.

big red x dot jay peg

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I like Luke's norwee townread on this page the best!

It's so fleshed out and thoughtful.

VOTE: Kilgamayan

You write so many words but there isn't a lot in there.

I don't think you are sorting me.

big red x dot jay peg

Luke's NorwegianboyEE read good?

Kila vote good?

Kilga observations good?

Please clarify.

I

what part of a giant red x makes you think i agree with the vote or anything in the post?

i'm calling the vote bad and the reasons for it bad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would like to kill Lukewarm today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here is a thought.

My claim and a hider claim should not exist in the same game.

It is my belief Luke is lying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also I am in Maryland on vacation and jetlagged so like

Nope no interest in being super hyper posty

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And finally, I sort of intuited hider from your weird coded nonsense luke, but the truth is

I can't be certain, and I honestly didn't really care to try as I was too busy.

I think your play is scummy, I think your reads are weird and I think thar claiming the way you did is more wcum aligned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here is a thought.

My claim and a hider claim should not exist in the same game.

It is my belief Luke is lying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just requoting that to new page so people understand I am counterclaiming

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: LLD
Luke’s behavior seems much more sincere. If a 1v1 is in play, LLD looks worse I fear.

Yeah except my role is more provable and town because "can't die to night kills, but has no vote" is an actual role

Where as pure hides is a counter to it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like again, if I am scum who does not have a vote, I would need to either

Have some cool vote related power for later in the game

Or

Have some kind of powerful night ability to compensate me.

Given we have a claimed TOWN DREAMING GOD.

So any claims I am lying about my role need to have this assumption at point blank.

So if I have a powerful role and am on vacation v/la

Why bother coming back to do this at all? Or if I do why not retract ans say I didn't understand?

There is no purpose for me to do this with any role but my own. The logic does not fit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also why not elim the person who has a vote first? But I also recall Luke suggesting a loudcop on him, seems risky if he's mafia. I can see him as town wanting to confirm himself.

I mean feel free to cop me given I can't die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At night, that is. If you vote me out I die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wishing for a power is dreaming god, no?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do not talk about ongoings

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean it literally is. It is just in this case multiple people wish for it, instead of one

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anyway I am going back to vacation, I have no vote hut my desire is communicated. Have a nice life, folks.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm incapable of voting but have no interest in killing Kilga

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm immortal and votelesss.

I am a hider.

That is not when they CC’ed you.

No but my role claim has not changed. I'm saying my role claim contradicts theirs. Not that I am changing it. So i am both CCing them and have claimed before them

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here is a thought.

My claim and a hider claim should not exist in the same game.

It is my belief Luke is lying.

Nobody thought you and LLD’s claim was possibly contradicting each other until this point.

He also didnt claim hider until that same page, so...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I ask what your point is? You are saying a lot of dubiously half true statements and have no direction.

Much like a pizza cutter you are all edge and no point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe you could argue scum!Aaron changed his stance in an smooth way in order to get you mislimmed, but it’s not the slam dunk case you think it is.

Is your point "Aaron doesn't look scummy"?

So this is what, a chainsaw defense?

Who is scum, Norwee?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can I ask what your point is? You are saying a lot of dubiously half true statements and have no direction.

Much like a pizza cutter you are all edge and no point.

What? Who?
Me? Am i the one that is all edge and no point?

Yes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m just playing the game.
I don’t have an strong scumread but i am trying.

All this content and you have no scumreads?

You appear to have enough of a game grasp to have definitive opinions on Aaron's alignment and Luke's case, but no strong scumreads?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, that was a bit shocking.
So much that i feel like i should shut up now.

I am afraid that it is too late to remove the foot from your mouth. Silence would be a mistake, if you are indeed town here.

Cause if you go silent and dodge me now? I'll

bury

you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just imagine a very big and scary hawk that is on fire perched on a cliff face right above your head, and that you look like prey.

Better prove you're not, or really hope you can outrun me

Not that you could.

So talk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who is scum, Norwee?

Why is Aaron town?

If Aaron is town, what do you think of Luke? Or Gamma, who first suggested Aaron as an option?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't need a vote to kill you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh noo~~

So scary~~

Final answer?

You won't interact? You won't answer?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good enough.

Luke, Titus, Maria: Wanna lend me your energy here?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We need to consolidate on a person to kill, and this reaction is terrible and feels like scum who had a bad reaction and is trying to lean into it as a meme/joke.

I'd like to kill it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Plus if he hide behind LLD, who can’t be nightkilled, he can’t be killed so

@ LLD, it was not until that post that I really understood why you, if you were town, would think that our claims could not exist in the same game.

I cannot hide behind you every night. I am a hider, but I also have a modifier. I have no intention of saying what it is, because it would tell the scum team how to play around my protection, but I could see us existing in the game together. Your claim did not jump out at me as game breaking combo'ed with me because of it.

That you couldn't see this on jump has convinced me you are probably town, but god I don't trust you fully.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You clearly haven’t ever played with me if you legit think this is an scum indicative trait.

More attempt at absurdism for defense.

Please note the tone change now. Cheeky and trolling before. Now indignant and defensive.

Town doesn't respond to this in this way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Titus, if you're looking for a confidence read, it is here and now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have zero respect for "tough" people. You’re not actually trying to read my allignment but just scumreading me because i am not taking you seriously or something? I mean i find your attitude just extremely funny, you could have just asked me nicely what my reads were but then you move into this: "i’ve got 50 confirmed Navy Seals kills and i’m at the top of the class" speech. Fucking lmao.

Please note the attempt to brush off the pressure and look like they aren't bothered by it... Which is immediately ruined by the defensive nature of this post and it's very clear intention to try and discredit the push again through absurdism and humour.

Again not the town response. If this player really thought this and was unworried, they wouldn't need to say this to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please continue to feed me ammunition, however.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Sure.
I don’t scumread you btw.
But feel free to keep going.

Please note the attempt to conflate that their townread on me should provide me with a reason not to kill them, a scum mindset.

Additionally, this is clearly a post with optics in mind. This player is not scumhunting but rather seeking what will look best. They know it would look bad to scumread me here. They just don't know how to go about it in this situation.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Luke, please look at his posting and what I am saying. This is scum. We may end on Aaron latee anyway but I am more confident here and want to build this wagon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And i’m also eating kittens and trying to conflate the situation with more sillyness to ensure people will brush off LLD’s read on me.

What an all around evil guy that Norwee is.

More of the same, bad reactions.

I'm reading that frustration is getting to this player and they are reacting poorly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am going to sleep.

I am willing to bet a lot on Norwee flipping scum. Please consider that confidence when you decide to follow your own reads instead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How many town have you tunneled in your days LLD? Genuinely curious.

Now you will attempt to spin this as an further attempt from me to cause people to view our interactions as town/town because there is literally only a single world, the world in which i am scum. Am i right?

Oh, so now you would like to talk about reads?

Well, shame. You get to deal with me frothing for your blood like this until you die.

You look like scum. I don't claim to be 100 percent, but I am fairly accurate.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You aren't allowed Kilga.

So then, you are now denying me twice Titus. Is your goal to get me apathetic?

You wanted compromise and for me to leas something near deadline but you keep killing things in their tracks with no suggestions.

Give me Norwee

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because Gamma scum is a like partner and equivalent to a luke death.

And ai thought you TR'd luke.

Besides, Gamma not scum if Norwee scum so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gamma is a Luke partner

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But no Titus I am so stupid I didnt realize they were twondifferent players.

You know what fuck you lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gamma is a Luke partner

I'm scumreading Gamma without Luke...but if you think Luke is scum with Gamma..why not vote Gamma with me and let us argue over who was more right tomorrow?

Because if I am doing that pairing I'm doing Luke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gamma much less likely to be scum on his own, especially with Norwee scum precluding

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's an idea. What if you followed me onto Norwee and we discussed tomorrow? Since you are suggesting like that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not feeling NorwegianboyEE or Luke...

Look I have no vote and I am on vacation.

You don't get to implore me to try and complain about my results.

I gave you Like out of kindness, give me Norwee or I'm going back to AFK and y'all can figure this game out I guess cause I don't care lol.

I gotta herd fucking cats.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kay.

Do what you want then. I'm tired of playing this game. I don't have q vote and you clearly don't wanna hear my voice so I'm gonna sit back in the corner and be immortal and I'll see if I can't salavage this game for you in 3 days.

Ciao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not feeling NorwegianboyEE or Luke...

Look I have no vote and I am on vacation.

You don't get to implore me to try and complain about my results.

I gave you Like out of kindness, give me Norwee or I'm going back to AFK and y'all can figure this game out I guess cause I don't care lol.

I gotta herd fucking cats.

I feel like I'm herding cats too which is why I want you to work with me here. I relate to the feeling and I'm trying not to be a jerk.

In your place, I'd leave a readwall and enjoy vacation. You aren't responsible for what we do. At that point, you tried.

I've given you reads. You are inverted to mine. If you are going to kill someone off my reads today Gamma is better than Kilga, but Aaron doesn't look great either.

I wanted aaron/norwee competitng wagons but you do you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo Cakez.

You can LLD test me on Norwee, if you have doubts. I've only grown more confident.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kilga, please vote Norwee.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That would put us on 5.

Luke, Aaron isn't happening today with the way Titus is playing. Join me on Norwee, and you can gather info from it if I am wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Please remember that deadline is looming.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Scum reading you is anti fun, huh?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I noticed that you pushed Norwee for not weighing in on Aaron's alignment or my case against him. But you didn't either.

Can you drop your thoughts for both of those for me?

LLD

No thoughts since I haven't read it. I have thoughts on aaron as an alignment but no interest in reading your case.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, LLD, do you see why that would worry me?

Because from my pov, the Aaron wagon was gaining steam. And then two people stepped up to derail it. Norwee... and you.

Norwee, by coming up with contrived ways to argue against it and appearing to take a devil's advocate approach. And you by hard shifting the focus onto Norwee. Both before his claim.

Please explain how your logic tracks. Your logic here implies I am somehow... Bussing Norwee to save Aaron?

If so please vote Norwee and if he flips wcum you can have Aaron tomorrow for all I care.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like Aaron probably is scum in a norwee world? Upped chance anyway

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like you keep changing this what I will be wishing for thing and I jave no idea what I will wish for until I see a flip

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I feel like you keep changing this what I will be wishing for thing and I jave no idea what I will wish for until I see a flip

We have to wish before the flip. We wish during twilight

So, yeah, my wish is gonna be different based on the wagon that goes through

Oh. Hmm.

Honestly I would wish for a Loud Parity Cop of Myself and You.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just make Kakeguri and Norwee dueling wagons and have people go on one of them. Please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wish for a loud parity cop targetting me and Luke.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Haven't had time to fully catch up but the elimination being a mad dash to a semi-lurker makes me feel very uncomfortable.

@LLD: I've debated wishing that you had a usable vote. Would that be a waste of time if it got granted? If you'd rather not answer for role reasons, that's fine, but I figured I'd ask before making a proper decision.

That would be a grave error

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man I have this paranoia Luke is a godfather from how hard Luke pushed to be copped.

And Hider claim is an excellent way not to die even after being confirmed...

Luke needs to be voted out the day BEFORE ELO if he's still alive. Just saying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That works as a reaction to both norwee and LLD

I'm saying that I was and am concerned with a godfather on Luke, and it was my hope today that Luke and I would be parity cop'd so I could tell people to flip Luke to confirm me, and then I'd never be able to die and I'd be a perma innocent child treestump essentially.

Explicitly because I don't trust Luke's claim+request

So nothing to be done with it now, as far as things go. We can't and shouldn't try to eliminate Luke wiht a clear on him... and maybe he is just town and we're shooting elsewhere anyway

but if we get to a day before ELO, luke should be killed to ensure this isn't a thing, if he is sitll alive then

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We’re getting 2 elims in a 3 person PoE today
Hopefully we flip scum but if neither elim flips scum I expect there will be plenty of scrutiny of all the townblock
FYI I’m assuming the game is 9:3:1 rn

ye that's fine for today?

I'm just saying this so people understand for later incase it matters

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i also don't think Reg is scum anymore

LLD is looking bad here as well imo

In what way do I look bad, Cakez?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have no vote but if I had one it'd be on Cakez

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have no vote but if I had one it'd be on Cakez

it's hard to take you seriously when you're trying to argue that Lukeslot is a Godfather rather than just admitting you were wrong...

I'm not arguing it, and I said it wasn't worth arguing it until later. But it's a real concern with this mechanic I want people to remember and I want to say it now so when I'm alive later, because I'll be alive later, if it becomes a problem, people will understand I had this fear.

Consider it the setup moves of someone who knows they're going to be alive this entire game and trying to ensure I cover bases. I have to play differently this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pft. Welp. Kill me, my reads are terrible this game, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it better if i just target random or between a PoE of players so that my picked target won't be too predictable.

either is fine, you're not really under suspicion so you dno't need to declare a PoE (since that's usually reserved to keep roles honest).

You can just target at random, or whoeever yuo like.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, as long as it’s not an obvtown slot/one that otherwise should be allowed to act without interference

yeah but, discretion etc

[Lady Lambdadelta]

With one scum left and me still having no vote, why would you ever kill me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean Norwee either dies tonight or we get another clear.

Because with only one scum left, Norwee even if lying has to pick a townie to clear each time.

So for today and moving forward until we get a result that isn't "someone died and Norwee froze someone"

Norwee can be assumed town.

Also, norwee should just freeze me. My effect is passive. I won't be able to die, and I'll be confirmed town.

Or scum will no kill, which is fine, we can infinite loop this a bit for our other night actions?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like if LLD is town and we reach F3 (with 2 votes available) scum can just force no elim.
If LLD is scum no remaining town will try to force no elim.

Don't worry about Final 3. If I'm there, it won't be an issue. I can choose to give up my immortality and effectively vanilize myself for a vote.

So as long as my vote reads with a star each day, there's no reason to kill me. If you clear me as confirmed town, I'll keep myself unkillable until my vote is needed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like if LLD is town and we reach F3 (with 2 votes available) scum can just force no elim.
If LLD is scum no remaining town will try to force no elim.

Don't worry about Final 3. If I'm there, it won't be an issue. I can choose to give up my immortality and effectively vanilize myself for a vote.

So as long as my vote reads with a star each day, there's no reason to kill me. If you clear me as confirmed town, I'll keep myself unkillable until my vote is needed.

You can do that?

Yeah. If needed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like if LLD is town and we reach F3 (with 2 votes available) scum can just force no elim.
If LLD is scum no remaining town will try to force no elim.

Don't worry about Final 3. If I'm there, it won't be an issue. I can choose to give up my immortality and effectively vanilize myself for a vote.

So as long as my vote reads with a star each day, there's no reason to kill me. If you clear me as confirmed town, I'll keep myself unkillable until my vote is needed.

why did you wait so long to disclose this? I asked you about this D1 (although it's understandable if you didn't get it as I was writing in rhyme then)

Why would I give scum more information when it doesn't matter? Just helps them plan better.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I thought it had to do with Kaguya or her immortality only being 1-shot and losing that getting her vote back though so I didn’t openly speculate.

This was the correct choice. There was just 0 reason to give scum more clues.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my gut says it's LLD here and I kinda wanna have a perfect game if I can

That's a terrible reason to vote someone, especially when scum have no answer for me being alive and then confirmed by Norwee tonight when Yukari is protecting Norwee and I'm immortal.

Like it's literally setup.

Yukari->Norwee
Norwee->Me
Me->can't die


So scum is forced to either no kill to frame me which is fine, we can kill someone else suspicious and repeat the process, and show I still have no vote.

So double day.

Or there's a kill on Yuakri to prevent confirmations and I'm confirmed town.

So I think we do Sanae today, and if the game doesn't end, enact this plan, and kill you tomororrow.

And if at that point the game doesn't end and I'm still not confirmed you can kill me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my gut says it's LLD here and I kinda wanna have a perfect game if I can

Their claim that they actually can vote kinda shattered my belief in their role not being possible for scum to have.

Yeah, so why did I bother claiming it at this point instead of just riding the wave? Surely if my ability involves me being voteless and then able to vote, I have some kind of super power as scum, like a automatic mayor power or something.

so why claim it now?

I'm immortal to night kills, there's a play to auto confirm me or stop the night kill. We should never kill me today and always go with that plan.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Kop became an serial killer then having one scum be immortal (with the caveat that they can't vote until forfeiting the ability) would be quite helpful wouldn't it.

So why would I have not forfeited it after the serial killer died to push against a kilga death?

Your logic isn't remotely tracking, and once again, you can confirm me as town tonight and then I'm immortal town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like we have an actual guaranteed win locked up tonight if you follow the Yukari->Norwee->LLD targetting plan. No matter what scum's choice is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Again, with only one scum left, a scum without a vote cannot win this game, literally cannot.

All you need to do is see that I keep refusing to activate my vote, use the ability chain I described above, and confirm me, and the game ends.

If I'm scum, you'll win. If I'm town, you'll win.

So let's kill Sanae and test me and then you can kill Gamma and then kill me.

It's really simple.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So let's kill Sanae and test me and then you can kill Gamma and then kill me.

Why would kill Gamma?

So consider the outcomes if you use the mechanics to clear me right?

we kill Sanae, if scum kills, I'm clear: Who do we kill next who isn't confirmed? Gamma, right?

we kill Sanae, scum no kills, I'm not clear, but no one died. We kill the next most suspicious person after me and try again. If they no kill again, kill me it's fine by that point we got 3 vote out kills and no scum controlled deaths and that should be a win too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Again, with only one scum left, a scum without a vote cannot win this game, literally cannot.

All you need to do is see that I keep refusing to activate my vote, use the ability chain I described above, and confirm me, and the game ends.

If I'm scum, you'll win. If I'm town, you'll win.

So let's kill Sanae and test me and then you can kill Gamma and then kill me.

It's really simple.

What's your read on Sanae?

Reads don't matter when we have a mechanical win.

Yukari, Reg, Luke's slot are town.

Norwee basically town.

Leaves me Sanae Gamma.

Do the plan on me, kill Sanae today, do Gamma tomorrow no matter what the plan comes out as, kill me if the game still isn't over and then you'll know something is fucky since it'd be going still.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There's literally no way for this plan to fail. None. Zero. The game is a mechanical win if you follow my plan, no one ability from any player can stop it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not even a strongman could, if I understand, because it's an action Delay not a block. So it'd still be strongman, just.... the next night.

It's locked down. It's literally locked down.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't like it when slots are confident in an mech win.
Makes me wonder if it's some kind of trick.

Then do the analysis yourself, I'm always dying before lylo in this plan. Always. There is no world in which you do my night plan and I don't die before Lylo or become confirmed town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like literally with my plan it should go

Sanae
Gamma
LLD
Norwee

And that's the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cause Norwee can confirm everyone but themselves, but dies last because they're basically town.

It's Sanae today, I either become confirmed or no one died. In either case, the number work to kill Gamma.

Then if it still is going it won't be ELO, so kill me.

then when it's ELO and not over yet, kill Norwee as the only remaining option.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is it mech win even if we eliminate you first?

Maybe? It's less certain, because my immortality and lack fo a vote makes me super safe to do with this.

I could crunch the numbers and see if it is?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What if we switched you and Sanae's slots in your plan.
Still works right? I'd just target Sanae instead of us limming them now.

Sanae isn't immortal to night kills, so if it's you in that world, we lose.

My world prevents you from winning as scum. That's the only difference.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

You're not dying today, so hush.

If your claim can prove you mechanically confirmed town, then go for it.

But no amount of "obvtowning" will put you OR ME outside the PoE. Only mech clears now, because we have so many.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Literally we have 4 people who aren't mechanically cleared

Norwee
LLD
Gamma
Sanae.

We kill Sanae and have Norwee try to confirm LLD, that ends the game because I'm voteless and immortal.

If we reverse those, Norwee can still win by killing LLD, Gamma and some kind of trick, if they are lying about their claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

First step of deciding whether the suggested mechanical plan is sound is approaching logically rather than empathically.
Ignore your reads for a sec and approach this from pure mechanical view.
Heck, I personally don't think Sanae is scum due to how Kilga went after her since Day 1.

Please do the math yourself so people can see it as something other than "LLD IS SCRAMBLING!1!"

Confirm my math.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How am I mechanically cleared? I personally think I can't be scum but I don't think I'm cleared mechanically.

I thought you were?

OH sorry it's Reg who is confirmed.

Wait we only have 7 people? or do we have 8?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It says 7 on the vote count, but... I thought...

with Reg makes 8?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh right, sorry. You're confirmed town because you being alive guarantees Norwee can clear people infinitely, so for you to be scum, you'd be PoEing yourself out.

You're in the same block as Norwee

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I dislike how emphatic LLD seems to be about killing me here.

You're not dying today, so hush.

If your claim can prove you mechanically confirmed town, then go for it.

But no amount of "obvtowning" will put you OR ME outside the PoE. Only mech clears now, because we have so many.

My mindset will eventually demonstrate that I'm town beyond a shadow of a doubt. Hopefully it's today but there's also the possibility that it happens tomorrow.

This isn't how this works. Mindset doesn't remove shadow of doubt. Otherwise my mindset would be similar in terms fo town.

We're not playing normal mafia anymore. We're playing a logic puzzle.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We have 7 left.
That's why I initially suggested that we can just burn thru list of 3 and suggested working towards clearing more people.
And then I remembered that you're voteless and it becomes list of 2.
Now that we know that you can vote if necessary that goes up to list of 3.

Yeah you can kill me the moment my vote comes online. Straight up. Until that point I can't win a final 3. Guaranteed right? The only move for a townie in a final 3 with me and no vote would be to agree with the other person regardless of alignment to kill me and hope I'm scum.

So the minute I turn on my vote, you can kill me. But doing it before then is a waste of my utility in this puzzle.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

First step of deciding whether the suggested mechanical plan is sound is approaching logically rather than empathically.
Ignore your reads for a sec and approach this from pure mechanical view.
Heck, I personally don't think Sanae is scum due to how Kilga went after her since Day 1.

Please do the math yourself so people can see it as something other than "LLD IS SCRAMBLING!1!"

Confirm my math.

I was actually agreeing with you there. I did say that "It is true that one more confirm and two skipped kills equals to town autowin."

Yeah not saying you're not, I'm just sayign show your work so as to help me convince people, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dkkoba has said that town who focuses on mech instead of dayplay usually lose.

I've also said this before. This is a statement for games where people look at roles and try to not scum hunt.

Having a guaranteed mechanical win isn't the same as focusing on mech. I agree with Koba on the point in general, but this game has turned a corner.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok let's try this way then.

I'm going to lay out a statement one by one.
Tell me if you agree or disagree. If you disagree, tell me why.

Ready?

"StrangeMatter and RegRider are both confirmed town."

Who's this for?

All of you who disagrees with the plan.

I know I agree so I'm shutting up a bit, but, this is a really good way to do this and I will be borrowing it for when I need to explain future plans of this nature.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm thinking LLD is maybe Ascetic Scum and trying to set up a endgame she can win because she went very quickly from "just kill me my reads are bad" to "lets use norwegianboy as a role delayer" and mechwin this game please delay me.

Oh i didn’t consider ascetic.

Again, the plan doesn't lose to Ascetic because I am agreeing to die in a certain order and also am voteless. The second I get a vote, people can kill me.

Next possible problem?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok so how about this:

We eliminate LLD today.

If the game isn't over->

NorwegianBoy delays Me or Gamma.
Yakuri protects NorwegianBoy
SM hides with NorwegianBoy


If we wake up tommorrow with a nightkill, let's assume it's RegRider since he is conftown.

One of me/gamma will be cleared from Norwe,
SM will be clear

Possible killers: Yakuri, One of Me/Gamma.
Conftown: SM/One of Me/Gamma

We eliminate the one of me/gamma Norwe didn't delay.

If game still isn't over,

we eliminate Yakuri the next day and this should be winning as long as Norwe isn't scum?

This is actively worse than killing you first because of my immortality. That your plan works better with you dying first, means you should agree to die first, if town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I still don’t think Norwegian is scum, since I specifically know that Norwegian has at least not taken one action, which I really can’t see how scum Norwee just decides to not use their ability with no multitasking and Kilga just NKs.

Hmm you're right actually. There is 0 chance Kilga made a nightkill N1.

@LLD do you agree with this?

Yes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

D4 -> Lim Sanae
N4 -> Norwee delays LLD, Yukari protects Norwee, SM on Norwee.
D5 -> Lim Gamma, LLD is confirmed town if someone dies.
N5 -> Norwee delays LLD, Yukari protects SM if Yukari is alive
D6 -> Lim LLD if she's not confirmed town at this point. If LLD is confirmed town already won.
N6 -> Norwee delays Yukari
D7 -> Lim Yukari

This actually. Above wasn't fully edited.

Boom, exactly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If the shot is blocked, that's okay, because no death is a win, essentially.

Look, killing Sanae today is the play and Sanae's arguments for why we should essentially follow the same plan, but with Sanae in my spot instead are... laughably scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you're town you don't actually have any incentive to argue with me since I am agreeing to die the day after you

If you really are town, you'd know I was saying this first, and you're just reversing my argument, but with a worse logic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, killing Sanae today is the play and Sanae's arguments for why we should essentially follow the same plan, but with Sanae in my spot instead are... laughably scummy.

this is reductionist - she is hand-waving my arguments about why this game state makes perfect sense with her trying to set up a win by saying that I am simply repeating her plan with a changed order of elims.

This is patently not true - I am not volunteering to be "block-cleared" by norwee, I am volunteering to be eliminated tommorrow.

That's not the same thing.

If LLD flips scum today - the game is over.

If LLD flips town today - Norwee blocks Gamma and we have 2 eliminations left to kill myself/Yukari.

There is no way this ends any other way but a town win.

She has no reason to argue against this except she is scum and really doesn't have a choice here.

And if you die first, the town wins the game with less chances of loss.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why isn’t Norwee scum here Sanae? Your last post ignores that possibility

Norwee is confirmed to not have made any action N1.
Go look at Kilga’s role and see if they would have made a nightkill with 2 scums left Night 1.

So a Sanae lim into our night plan super always wins then, right?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

See these moments used to be inexplicable but within the past couple weeks I’ve come to regard them as an outward sign of my dissociation (for more info, see my GTKAS probably, I’m working on a super in-depth dive into my mental health across my life as a whole but it will probably be some time before I get it in a state where I’m ready to post it)

>.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

???

Just forgot I was meant to talk to you when I got back frmo vacation, and your post reminded me >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also if we are really contemplating LLD being ascetic scum we can simply have her gain her vote upon seeing a nightkill.
Her role in mech solve is done the moment we see a nightkill, and I believe that LLD isn’t lying about becoming vanilla for gaining a vote. From that moment we can just have SM wifom between Norwee and LLD, and have Norwee wifom between me and LLD.

Yup. I won't have a vote tomorrow, and that will show, but if we see a kill from this night going into tomorrow, the next night I will forgo immortality and the day after you will see my vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm sorry but I read the wiki and I don't quite get Ascetic?

Non killing roles targetted at an Ascetic will fail.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also trying to insinuate that changing the order is because i’m scum is kinda laughable. I don’t even understand the plan in fullest. I just think LLD hasn’t been playing townie enough to dictate the actions that town should take.

That is fucking awful logic. Sanae's plan is actively worse and you are pitching doing a plan because it hurts your ego to listen to me when I make sense.

Fucking atrocious.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

See these moments used to be inexplicable but within the past couple weeks I’ve come to regard them as an outward sign of my dissociation (for more info, see my GTKAS probably, I’m working on a super in-depth dive into my mental health across my life as a whole but it will probably be some time before I get it in a state where I’m ready to post it)

Ok, now i just think you’re crazy. And not actually coming up with an epic solve…

Also I am reporting you for this post. This is all kinds of not okay and shows everyone the kind of person you are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like what the actual fuck

That is so not okay and not even remotely excusable. Calling someone crazy when they discuss their mental health is not fucking okay!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How can you call someone crazy in a post where they discuss mental health and dissociation and not think it is degrading?

Like even if your intent wasn't that, how can you read that and think it is okay?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Some things are more important than the game. Mental health stigma and especially stigma around dissociation is one of them.

I want you to answer my question. Let's say for sake of argument you didn't mean any harm, but did harm anyway. How can you think using the word crazy was okay? I don't understand?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like the game will still be here when we finish. We can pick it right back up.

I wanna understand why you said this so as to ensure you dont say stuff like it again, kay?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, if your role is ascetic as Sanae is pitching. Would it still be impossible for scum!you to endgame following the plan?

Yes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How can you call someone crazy in a post where they discuss mental health and dissociation and not think it is degrading?

Like even if your intent wasn't that, how can you read that and think it is okay?

That wasn't what 'crazy meant.

How else is ableist language meant to be used? Are you saying there is another definition for the word? When the post was near exclusively about Gamma's mental health?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

More over given I also have dissociation it was harmful to me too, just an fyi

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not going to outguess the mod about whether Ascetic makes sense or not because it's just flavor spec and we have had an amazing start and I'm not going to lose the game on flavor spec when imo there is a locked down mechwin right in front of us.

We simply need Norwee to clear one more person to get to auto-win.

We elim LLD today - I am very certain the game ends.

If not, Norwee "clears" Gamma.
Yukari doctors Norwee.

At 5 alive we have 2 elims for Me/Yukari.

You can kill me first and Yukari last - there is no way scum can win in this scenario as every uncleared person is eliminated.

This is a very simple win that doesn't require any bells and whistles - we don't have to guess whether LLD is Scum Ascetic etc.

This plan still loses to Norwee scum, where as mine doesn't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So does anyone think i'm scum?

You're a 1-2% chance.

You keep doing this thing where you go "YOU THINK I'M SCUM WAAAH" when I've clearly ordered you LOWER THAN ME ON THE DEATH PRIO LIST.

You being scum is a very very miniscule odds at this point, but there ARE odds and it's worth playing such that those odds don't exist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also I'd rather deal with ascetic than strongman, which we start need to worry about if we lim LLD today.

You probably have GE, you and maybe Strange's vote you can convince.

and are never getting Sanae or Reg, I guess?

so convincing Norwee that the plan we have is better than Sanae's, or you're locked into a 3-3 which Strange will probably vote me to end.

IDK, like, It's obvious to me which plan is better but...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So all of you agree to eat crow like I did when I flip town huh?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Good enough for me. I'm happy to wash my hands of this game. I kind if hope you guys fuck it up at this point so I can laugh from the dead thread.

Lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I had bad reads this game but god killing me here is the wrong choice and I will enjoy the crow you eat for it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Real nice attitude.

You don't wanna talk to me about attitude, lol. Not after what you've said.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was going to ask if you had any reads outside of your solve just in case you were interested in sharing that, but i guess you can just sit there and complain too.

Like you would listen. I told you my reads. We have a PoE that wins the game. You guys took my Pie and decided to kill me first within it despite it being ghe wrong choice.

You literally have my list. Sanae Gamma Me Yukari You

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But what i want to know is why you want to vote Sanae and if you have an read on them that makes you believe they are scum.

??? What

I'm so confused what you are asking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It won't be an action, no.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So all of you agree to eat crow like I did when I flip town huh?

lol This is not a town aligned post.

lol can't wait to quote this post in endgame.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because that would be hilarious.

God I would really enjoy that level of trolling.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld is famous for winning 1v11s 1v9s etc

she once claimed masons with someone, janitored them and cruised to a win

if there is a mech angle she can use to conftown herself she will take it.

God, I don't even have a defense for this. This is legitimate paranoia that I can reasonably understand.

Ahahaha.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Go ahead then and kill me. It's all good.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Feels a bit lamist how you acting like being voted doesn’t bother you.

It does bother me, did you not see how upset I got? told you to eat crow and everything.

But at this point, unless I can convince one of these people to flip, it's not enough.

Sanae and Reg aren't flipping, so it would need all of

Gamma Yukari Strange AND you.

So if you're saying you'd kill Sanae over me, let's talk. But if you won't, I'm not interested in wasting my time, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So if you're saying you'd kill Sanae over me, let's talk. But if you won't, I'm not interested in wasting my time, lol.

I think Sanae has made good arguments and their tone feels really town this dayphase.
Would i kill you over Sanae right now? Yes.
But how do you expect to change anyones mind if you only want to talk to me if i already want to kill Sanae?

Because no other aspect of the plan functions with anyone but Sanae dying today. So if you won't even consider it, there's no point in engaging.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So if you're saying you'd kill Sanae over me, let's talk. But if you won't, I'm not interested in wasting my time, lol.

I think Sanae has made good arguments and their tone feels really town this dayphase.
Would i kill you over Sanae right now? Yes.
But how do you expect to change anyones mind if you only want to talk to me if i already want to kill Sanae?

Because no other aspect of the plan functions with anyone but Sanae dying today. So if you won't even consider it, there's no point in engaging.

Could flip gamma and Sanae and the plan would work just the same.

Wait is that mathematically true?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So if you're saying you'd kill Sanae over me, let's talk. But if you won't, I'm not interested in wasting my time, lol.

I think Sanae has made good arguments and their tone feels really town this dayphase.
Would i kill you over Sanae right now? Yes.
But how do you expect to change anyones mind if you only want to talk to me if i already want to kill Sanae?

Because no other aspect of the plan functions with anyone but Sanae dying today. So if you won't even consider it, there's no point in engaging.

Could flip gamma and Sanae and the plan would work just the same.

Wait is that mathematically true?

I mean first two lims are literally “lim two roles that do not contribute to mech solve.”

Hmm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh if you don’t want to just lollim Sanae, I’ll also let you wifom between Sanae and LLD tonight.
If kill happens and if you were on Sanae you know Sanae would be conftown.

This is fine.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I reckon with how we aren't able to vote someone that scum is intentionally is doing this.

Which scum, exactly? there's one left. So you think scum is influencing... what? how?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna go with something similar to my own defense, which is "If Sanae knows flavor enough to make an alt named Sanae, she probably would've came up with better fakeclaim than this."

Yeah I'm gonna be honest. I don't know what to think and I'm not sure Sanae flips scum. Between the justified paranoia of me that finally clicked with Sanae's approach. Something didn't feel right when Sanae was pushing me as scum "it's just LLD" it felt like an act.

and it was. An act to get me killed because of that paranoia. Mentioning the paranoia makes it more likely I live.

So I'm not sure Sanae flips red now. I feel like... I feel like Gamma flips red now, tbh, after the Sanae vote.

Maybe saying this gets me killed, so be it, but I'm preference Gamma over Sanae today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

that made me laugh <3

<3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So make plans,

Then scrap those plans because they don't involve eating enough crow.

Then make new bird eating related plans.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Kill Gamma next please

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, I stand by think Yukari’s plan was terrible

???

If you had followed my plan the game would have been a win.

At any point.


Yukari and I were the only ones who had any sense at that point.

Please wake up from your arrogance, because you cost the game. You legitimately thought that Norwee could be scum here when they could have killed and won the game point blank.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

:toot:

don't you Honk Honk at me.