2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

[Titus]

Hi

Niamh playing this game.

I don't have a vote this game. See the vote count and the star next to my name.

Do you know if that will affect the number of votes needed to launch a player? Like, if we ever end up with an even number of players will we need 1 less then expected?

The votecount says 13 alive, not "13 votes in play".

True, but if 12 votes were in play, it's still 7 to launch.

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VOTE: Aaron

Pure gut. No evidence.

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Meanwhile while we run up Gamma for an RVS reason, we ignore Aaron.

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I just assumed it was a messaging role. Odd way of getting warned for spam I suppose.

New or an alt? I'm presuming an alt. I don't want to fish you. I just want to know what skill level to expect.

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I don't know what kind of mod we have, but I can see it being a flavored warning, but there was that everyone overheard bit. EM had a Town Crier role, and we might have something similar.

Town Criers are relatively rare here on MS. This game has a lot of rare stuff in it is my bet though. I've played on a lot of various sites (almost all as Titus). A quick guess, are you from Sc2mafia? If not, what site(s)?

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Meanwhile while we run up Gamma for an RVS reason, we ignore Aaron.

Maybe you can spell it out for me, why we should be focusing on Aaron. Last I saw from you, he had 1 post and you said your vote was gut

No engagement, but clearly reading the thread.

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Omg Lukewarm is so obvscum.

VOTE: Lukewarm

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Omg Lukewarm is so obvscum.

VOTE: Lukewarm

Damn it Titus. I just killed you day 1 in bloodstained right after you called me scum!

I guess I'll have to do it again!

VOTE: Titus

…what?

My vote on Lukewarm was a meme to try and get him into the game. It should be read with a joking tone.

VOTE: Aaron

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it could essentially function as a guilty if we know who was targeted and then there are two nightkills the next night

No. It's a guilty if there are three nightkills the next night. You're forgetting about vigilantes.

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I just realized that if I am to properly roleplay I need to actually lurk until twilight which is not possible due to the fact that I will be replaced. Slightly less lazy Yukari it is.

You can roleplay having a teaparty with me. I'm immortal and votelesss. Teaparty is my whole thing.

Thanks for claiming stump. Kinda worried but excited.

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I just realized that if I am to properly roleplay I need to actually lurk until twilight which is not possible due to the fact that I will be replaced. Slightly less lazy Yukari it is.

You can roleplay having a teaparty with me. I'm immortal and votelesss. Teaparty is my whole thing.

I want to say your claim and ability is super townie. But now i’m paranoid it’s an scum role that’s designed to look town because: "Haha, mod would never create an voteless mafia al i right"

I concur that it's likely town and should not be tested until elo minus one day or melo.

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Usually games count both formats.
Let’s see if this one counts.

Norwee

You need the word vote for it to count.

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Now you made me vote.
I was going to save my glorious first vote for one of the inevitable SDM crew claim.

Is SDM crew like a miller? If so, how would I go about finding out if I was a crew member?

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The thing about my role claiming is that i’m usually of the opinion that town should usually not claim, even if they are VT. Because that just lowers the PoE for mafia that is hunting PR’s right? But when my role is literally negative utility and just looks scummy, i’d rather claim it immediately so all my cards are on the table and nobody can say: "oh man, Norwee’s role sure is scummy!!" later on.
Same philosophy for millers, same philosophy here.

Dang. In your place, I would have used it to 1) Say NorwegianboyEE is conftown and 2) Announce your night result for the previous night.

Then, people would know to coordinate actions without you claiming. The only bad result would have been if you were nightkilled.

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@Lukewarm- Aaron has made zero effort to actually scum hunt in the thread, only dance. That being said, I am debating moving my vote to SirCakez. His defense on Aaron is too strong and aggressive for a slot that has no content.

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I think it's a decision after reflection. I doubt scum would claim it as delayed actions cause chaos. At first, he should target scummy people.

Answer me this. If someone dies in the middle of their action, does their action go off?

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For instance, if NorwegianboyEE targets the town doctor n1
Scum shoot the doc n1

Does doc heal n2?

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Meanwhile while we run up Gamma for an RVS reason, we ignore Aaron.

Maybe you can spell it out for me, why we should be focusing on Aaron. Last I saw from you, he had 1 post and you said your vote was gut

No engagement, but clearly reading the thread.

Really? Because I think the same was true for the rest of the players. Norwee was just vibing. Do you think Aaron is scum?

Yes I do.

I townread Lukewarm's response to my scumread btw.

I also like NorwegianboyEE as town but it's weak.

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The weak is by play, moderate TR by role. He's leashable too.

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By the way a quick suggestion, our eliminations should have acceleration.

What does this mean?

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I'm fine with a scumread or two. I want to be in the middle, not obvtown not scumread. Of course saying that puts a target on my back, but I don't like being obvtown lately.

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@Aaron, why the five sentence minimum? That's easy for a troll to reach but possibly harder for someone genuinely answering the question. For instance, I have some reads based on tone and tone is particularly hard for me to describe being an aspie. Also the roleplay is hard for me. However, a mechanical or VCA read I can go on for ages. What good does a five sentence minimum do?

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I am okay with limming Aaron today.

Why?

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I am okay with limming Aaron today.

Why?

I am okay with limming Aaron today.

Why?

Lol

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Titus, you not making a read on me by now is quite strange. Do you really think Cakez is a wolf or was that a moment of emotional outburst hm?
pedit: So you're trying to hide my entire post behind your RP? Oho! That's a bold claim from a Mittens

I'm not sure on both. I have forgotten who is in your hydra. I am struggling with the tonal read and the defense, despite me not wanting it.

As for Cakez, I'd be voting him if I was sure. Lukewarm claiming that he had a similar reaction makes me doubt scum.

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I like Rag's stance on Aaron, maybe even more depending on the reasoning. We'll see~

Why?

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@Gamma, Reading through the RP distorts tone and I have nothing to logic off of yet. I'm trying but that doesn't mean much.

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@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

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Also, what are you tentatively seeing?

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@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

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Also, what are you tentatively seeing?

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I like Aaron's fuck you, I scumhunt the way I want tone reply to me.

UNVOTE: Aaron

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@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

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I wish we would stop RPing. Quite frankly, it makes it hard to read the DP.

this point has already been made multiple times, why make such a useless post?

I wish we would stop RPing. Quite frankly, it makes it hard to read the DP.

Counterpoint: this is an mini theme game for weebs.

But I don't play mafia to RP.

also this feels vaguely LAMIST

Also, what are you tentatively seeing?

Oh, that was directed at me? Right now, not much. We have a Hydra, so maybe I'll wait until the other person gets on. I think Town already outted too many roles. I don't have the motivation atm but I'll ISO Norwee and see what I think then.

also this is ridiculous - literally one person claimed

VOTE: Reg

Not sure I disagree with this. If Reg ignores me again, you have my vote.

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@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

The only game I played on this site is ongoing. I assumed you could just look in my post history. Not sure what you are asking.

Offsite is fine

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Titus can you locate a problem in Reg’s 283? I personally think it’s a pretty big one.

Two. One pointed out by SirCakez. The other is the suggestion "We have a hydra". There's an explaination for it but it's not good.

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@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

The only game I played on this site is ongoing. I assumed you could just look in my post history. Not sure what you are asking.

Offsite is fine

I don't give offsite information. Also, are you trying to get me modkilled?

Offsite completed games are fine to link to. Why won't you?

Why would asking for finished games get you modkilled?

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@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

@RegRider I like you. I'd like to skim a prior game of yours to check your tone.

The only game I played on this site is ongoing. I assumed you could just look in my post history. Not sure what you are asking.

Offsite is fine

I don't give offsite information. Also, are you trying to get me modkilled?

Offsite completed games are fine to link to. Why won't you?

Why would asking for finished games get you modkilled?

Because I assumed you want me to slip and get me modkilled for that rule. I am sorry, but getting offsite games is an unreasonable request. Its not because of a MS rule, its an internet safety thing.

I'm not asking for your real name or anything similar. No way you slip and get modkilled for sharing an offsite game.

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If Reg doesn't want to share off-site games for personal reasons I don't see an issue with that

I do, partially. I'd be lying if I didn't. It will nag me because my gut says he won't share because the tone will match and he'd be metaed. However, I will try not to factor that as attacking someone for protecting personal information is shitty. My gut says no because it's not plausible. I'm not going to deny that though.

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However, I will try not to factor that as attacking someone for protecting personal information is shitty.

Please don't.

Tbh, all I can do is try. There is no unringing the bell. I won't vocalize anything but that doesn't persuade me he's town.

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Titus can you locate a problem in Reg’s 283? I personally think it’s a pretty big one.

Two. One pointed out by SirCakez. The other is the suggestion "We have a hydra". There's an explaination for it but it's not good.

What about the part where he said he will ISO Norwee exclusively despite having him as the only townread in this game?
It's not like there weren't any good alternatives to ISO.

Can you quote the posts?

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I do find it strange that he wanted to iso me but apparently forgot why...?

+1

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VLA Sept 17th through the 20th

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Can you quote the posts?

<_<

Titus can you locate a problem in Reg’s 283? I personally think it’s a pretty big one.

Also, what are you tentatively seeing?

Oh, that was directed at me? Right now, not much. We have a Hydra, so maybe I'll wait until the other person gets on. I think Town already outted too many roles. I don't have the motivation atm but I'll ISO Norwee and see what I think then.

I'm looking for where he says NorwegianboyEE is town.

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Nm

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Not impossible but improbable.

VOTE: RegRider

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The Townread but ISO conflict

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What is the explanation when it comes to the "we have a hydra" comment?

Just who is we...

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Fake Edit @Yukari 394: It's still too much posting for Day 1 for me! D: I vastly prefer my Day 1s no longer than 72 hours so we can avoid clogging the thread with largely baseless speculation and arguing about who's bad at playing the wordswordswords game and just get right to far more meaningful information in Day 2 and beyond. I understand I am a tremendous outlier on this site in this regard but that doesn't make it any less eye-glaze-y and motivation-sappy for me.

If you feel the day should be over, who should we be eliminating? Why don't I know your stances?

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I like Luke's norwee townread on this page the best!

It's so fleshed out and thoughtful.

VOTE: Kilgamayan

You write so many words but there isn't a lot in there.

I don't think you are sorting me.

big red x dot jay peg

Luke's NorwegianboyEE read good?

Kila vote good?

Kilga observations good?

Please clarify.

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Titus, do you understand why I am concerned about Town outting too many PRs?

In general, yes. Not sure how it applies here.

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Jesus christ there are 3 days left wtf are we doing. WHO KILL?

I'll make a call if no choice made by tomorrow night.

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I am thinking about my wish before I lock in...I have a few ideas

1) We all submit a cop wish on a player notoriously hard to read.
2) We wish a strongwilled (meaning bypasses ascetics or roleblocks) rolecop on LLD as a safety measure due to their claim of being immortal.
3) Risky - We wish for a wagon sensor on a wagon. It's my favorite but stands a chance of being rejected. Wagon sensor is a controversial role.
4) We determine how many killing roles are in the game.
5) We wish a restriction on our role be lifted. Super risky and possibly broken.
6) Since the dead have a talking mechanic, we wish for all dead town to get a neighborhood with a random player. Each living player can only neighborize one dead player in this manner.

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this could be a mafia ability tbf
and the rush to claim is REALLY weird

I think i see where it comes from though.
He came from an newbie where amount to eliminate is 5. And then forgot or didn’t realize that this game has 7 to eliminate.
I still find it bad that he claimed but i’m not so sure i’d condemn it as an scum move.

I suspect it too ngl but I think we can use it if smart. We can all claim our wish submissions too.

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Why would you be making the call?

Somebody has to and the collective isn't.

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What if we wish for the mafia’s noghtkill to fail?

Hmm that's a great wish. 2 lims and an extra night.

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@SirCakez

How is it a mafia role? I don't know who sent the wish. If its a mafia, role I can just ask my scumteam what they wished for. Additionally I can TELL them what to wish for.

Exactly that's why it could be scum..

Could be but he's effectively leashed to only do a protown wish.

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UNVOTE:
I can potentially trust that based on general rule 10. But how come no one else said “come again”?
I should not be the only one watching my back, some of y’all might need to pick up the slack.

FOS Kilga, Yukari, Norwee, Sanae

Can you rephrase the first sentence?

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@SirCakez

How is it a mafia role? I don't know who sent the wish. If its a mafia, role I can just ask my scumteam what they wished for. Additionally I can TELL them what to wish for.

Exactly that's why it could be scum..

Wouldn't explain why my role PM mentions me not knowing who makes what wish.

Can you ask about the wagon sensor and any other idea postulated you might accept? I don't want you to be able to claim mod said no to the wish that you picked.

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Somethings can be framed as a cost that are not, and some things are not. Some modifications are arguable. I think Frankenstien is better list here.

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I am going ask town to refrain from miseliming me until I get an answer about wishing for a wagon sensor.

I took a look at the wagon sensor and i think it sounds a bit overpowered, which might cause an backfire if the theme of Sukuna’s miracle mallet is to be believed. I think if an wish that is too powerful is selected it will cause an negative side effect rather than working as intended.

There is a reason I requested RegRider to ask.

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Ok.

VOTE: Lukewarm

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Why not?

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Ok. I'm looking to follow someone with a scintilla of confidence d1 because it's my weakest day and deadline is approaching.

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UNVOTE: Lukewarm

I believe you tailored your claim to LLD. That doesn't mean LLD understood. See me and math in our last normal.

I do have a question though, why were you crumbing hider in the first place,m

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Here is a thought.

My claim and a hider claim should not exist in the same game.

It is my belief Luke is lying.

My role shouldn't exist as it rewards me for being a total fuckup and anti-town but here we are so...

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Also why not elim the person who has a vote first? But I also recall Luke suggesting a loudcop on him, seems risky if he's mafia. I can see him as town wanting to confirm himself.

I mean feel free to cop me given I can't die.

I'd rather elim either you or Luke and try to get something busted like a wagon sensor off. Also the sensor should be loud.

I'd rather ensure a gift goes off than going for broke.

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VOTE: Kilgamayan

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If Luke is scum and does not die he will have to clear LLD.
If Luke is a real hider he will confirm LLD’s alignment.

No. Luke is not weak.

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Guys Day 1 ends in less than two days. We have no major wagon. Vote Kila out with me.

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I'm incapable of voting but have no interest in killing Kilga

I have no interest in Lukewarm. Can we meet in the middle?

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Why not green Reimu?

Who?

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Why them?

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Why them?

Why Kilga?

Honestly they're null and I might get support. I get reads based on conflict so this time on anime talk has been wasted time.

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So EE Yuki and me...

VOTE: Gamma

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Aaron, your stances appear to be unclear from post to post. Can you include a readwall? If you don't want anymore claims, why are you ok with Kop elim?

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I would like to see precisely who you would eliminate, who you wouldn't and why?

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VOTE: Aaron

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Not wanting NorwegianboyEE. I will hammer to eliminate someone but I doubt they're flipping scum.

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You aren't allowed Kilga.

So then, you are now denying me twice Titus. Is your goal to get me apathetic?

You wanted compromise and for me to leas something near deadline but you keep killing things in their tracks with no suggestions.

Give me Norwee

I've given plenty of suggestions. I've gone along with others suggestions. You've largely ignored the things I am willing to do.

My goal isn't to have you apathetic, but that doesn't mean I'll vote my townreads either.

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If I am wrong somewhere, it's Cakez.

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Why no Gamma LLD?

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Because Gamma scum is a like partner and equivalent to a luke death.

And ai thought you TR'd luke.

Besides, Gamma not scum if Norwee scum so

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Gamma and Luke are two very different slots...

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Gamma is a Luke partner

I'm scumreading Gamma without Luke...but if you think Luke is scum with Gamma..why not vote Gamma with me and let us argue over who was more right tomorrow?

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Gamma is a Luke partner

I'm scumreading Gamma without Luke...but if you think Luke is scum with Gamma..why not vote Gamma with me and let us argue over who was more right tomorrow?

Because if I am doing that pairing I'm doing Luke.

Why can't we work together on the slots we both agree on? Why must you insist on Luke?

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I'm not feeling NorwegianboyEE or Luke...

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Here's an idea. What if you followed me onto Norwee and we discussed tomorrow? Since you are suggesting like that

I'm not following onto a townread when there's literally half the game to pick from. I'm open to compromise but not eliminating my TRs.

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I'm not feeling NorwegianboyEE or Luke...

Look I have no vote and I am on vacation.

You don't get to implore me to try and complain about my results.

I gave you Like out of kindness, give me Norwee or I'm going back to AFK and y'all can figure this game out I guess cause I don't care lol.

I gotta herd fucking cats.

I feel like I'm herding cats too which is why I want you to work with me here. I relate to the feeling and I'm trying not to be a jerk.

In your place, I'd leave a readwall and enjoy vacation. You aren't responsible for what we do. At that point, you tried.

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LLD, Not giving you what you want =/= not caring. I am not seeing how you got to your opinions and I'm trying to engage you. I just can't sheep your opinion with no basis for how you got there.

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I'm not feeling NorwegianboyEE or Luke...

Look I have no vote and I am on vacation.

You don't get to implore me to try and complain about my results.

I gave you Like out of kindness, give me Norwee or I'm going back to AFK and y'all can figure this game out I guess cause I don't care lol.

I gotta herd fucking cats.

I feel like I'm herding cats too which is why I want you to work with me here. I relate to the feeling and I'm trying not to be a jerk.

In your place, I'd leave a readwall and enjoy vacation. You aren't responsible for what we do. At that point, you tried.

I've given you reads. You are inverted to mine. If you are going to kill someone off my reads today Gamma is better than Kilga, but Aaron doesn't look great either.

I wanted aaron/norwee competitng wagons but you do you

I'd do Aaron.

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Titus, what’s your Cakez read again? I have my own but I’m still willing to listen.

My Cakez read is stale weak town. If my reads are shit backwards, like LLD suggests, he's probably the scum I sm TRing

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I also feel like Cakez is town here, I’m not on the fence,

Cabd clause

probably isn’t in effect because of my current impotence.

?

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VOTE: Aaron

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Why them?

Why Kilga?

Kinda feel Kop Kilga might be a thing...

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VOTE: Kilga

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Yo Cakez.

You can LLD test me on Norwee, if you have doubts. I've only grown more confident.

I've only grown more confident EE is wrong. The slots not trying are likely the scum.

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Can we wait 2 hours before hammer?

Also, I should have asked this, can our wish include explainations?

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I think we should leash scum suspects to obvtown wishes, have one or two obvtown wish as backup and then submit a few unexpected but protown wishes.

Yes, no? I kinda don't want to out what I am wishing for.

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All wishes should be loud btw.

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I may change my mind on my wish too.

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VOTE: Kakeguri

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I'm watching but I may have urgent work that drives me away any second at some point in the next three hours.

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I'm trying Lukewarm. That's why I am here at all.

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I wouldn't be too dismayed to see this game go like Among Us, but bagging scum today would be a great plus.
I do NOT expect everyone to get this. This allusion is mostly aimed at Cakez and Titus.

Oh fuck. A meta reference while distracted and under a limited timeframe...

Welp Gamma's town but good luck on me getting it

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I got it lol
Given two of my srs are firing up this wagon I'm hesitant to join

Just who exactly are you scumreading?

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@Gamma, I don't have a Bell level scumtell...

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Just a theory...

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I honestly wasn't thinking on that level, but now that you mention it I see a similar devil. Remember when I crumbled in Situation Room all for want of a Cupcake? My alt-hunting work has told me to not make a similar mistake.

Meta, crumbs, timelimit and alt hunting...I get being obscure and appreciate the reach out but there's a real chance I miss what you say...

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Plus I was scum there...

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I got it lol
Given two of my srs are firing up this wagon I'm hesitant to join

Just who exactly are you scumreading?

At various levels, you, Gamma, Aaron, LLD, and Kakeguri

You aren't scumreading NorwegianboyEE. There's a wagon on Kakeguri.

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Cupcake equals Yumeko as well as Taly, there’s a similar level of frozen-ness, can’t you see?

I do. Get others on Kakeguri.

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That's four.

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Luke, I'm not going to Aaron now. Too little time and I have standing commitment with my brother.

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Why not Kakeguri?

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Because I think a norwee flip will give more info into lld.

No it won't. LLD hasn't done anything really AI.

No one townreads Kakeguri.

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If norwee flips scum, then lld is town

LLD can still be scum with a NorwegianboyEE flip but they likely aren't. I don't want to touch LLD soon even though I think they're a townbeard.

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@Luke,

RegRider won't be here to swap. I soon will be unreliable. Just how do you plan to get to 7 on NorwegianboyEE?

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We still need you, Yukari and a lurker to get to 7 on Kakeguri

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How do you plan to get to 7 or kakeguri? I'm here, and my vote can move before thedeadline, butt we need to see where all the people not on norwee or kakeguri are gonna land.

If they don't show up, we are missing the dead line either way

You Yukari and one lurker

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The wagon on Kakeguri is the only viable wagon.

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Twilight should be 24 hours

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I wish for a loud parity cop targetting me and Luke.

If we're publicly wishing, we could do worse than this.

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I think with no pms for wish requests, the loud parity cop on LLD and Luke takes the cake.

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VLA today. My taxes are due tomorrow. Go self employment.

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Reg, then just try it and see how it goes.