2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

[Lukewarm]

6b) n0 will last for 24 hours.

I thought this wasn't starting until tomorrow x.x

Spoiler:

Although yes, I do see that in the other post it said it might start sooner, but I was just getting ready to go to bed, but now a shiny new thread exists

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: norwee

Hi norwee!

I feel like I haven't

tunneled you day 1

run into you in a game for a while.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: norwee

Hi norwee!

I feel like I haven't

tunneled you day 1

run into you in a game for a while.

I'll try again I guess lol

VOTE: Norwee

[Lukewarm]

Hello~

*yawns

I will see you all in twilight!

You are not gonna be around before then?

[Lukewarm]

Hi

Niamh playing this game.

I don't have a vote this game. See the vote count and the star next to my name.

Do you know if that will affect the number of votes needed to launch a player? Like, if we ever end up with an even number of players will we need 1 less then expected?

[Lukewarm]

I wish I did not just see whatever the hell Norwe posted lol

I am glad that I scroll past videos then

[Lukewarm]

I have never played touhou before, and am flying in a little blind.

I mainly wanted to join unwnds next game after spectating yggdrasil

Any thoughts on the weird post about norwee from the mod?

[Lukewarm]

Meanwhile while we run up Gamma for an RVS reason, we ignore Aaron.

Maybe you can spell it out for me, why we should be focusing on Aaron. Last I saw from you, he had 1 post and you said your vote was gut

[Lukewarm]

I thought jester was only bastard if it ended the game upon it's win, but if it just exited the game victoriously and the game continues, then it is not bastard.

It is possible that I made that up, bit I feel like someone told me this before?

[Lukewarm]

My last like 4 games all hit page 20+ is the first 20 hours. Which felt like a lot when they were happening. But now this game feels like there is not much to respond to, and most posts so far feel empty.

Someone come tunnel me so I can get more engaged with the thread!

[Lukewarm]

Damn it Titus. I just killed you day 1 in bloodstained right after you called me scum!

I guess I'll have to do it again!

VOTE: Titus

[Lukewarm]

Actually though,

UNVOTE:

Do you want to talk to me more about your Aaron read?

Like, I understand what you meant when I asked you before, but I feel like there is not a lot going on in thread at all really, so a lot of people seem content less. So I guess I am not sure why you are on Aaron specifically?

It was not your first vote that stood out to me, but more the "everyone is gonna ignore Aaron" message makes it seem like a stronger read then expected for like page 3

[Lukewarm]

That was weird. I have never seen a thread lock / post delete / repost because of an alt slip before

[Lukewarm]

Probably not, so I am happy to drop it. But at least everyone has access to the same information that I (and other people who were online at the time) do.

So, I am glad I at least recapped the event, even if we don't discuss it.

[Lukewarm]

Although, I think you have a dance partner waiting for you

[Lukewarm]

Are we roleplaying now, lol

Always have been

Sure, I'm in.

Be right back as I drink my elixir, burn down a temple. and never die.

LLD, your idea of roleplay seems more fun then the dancing stuff going on. Can I roll up a halfling rogue to adventure with you?

[Lukewarm]

Norwee, in order for you to be confused by those posts, I think that you must have ignore both the post immediately before AND the post immediately after the posts you just quoted ...

[Lukewarm]

Norwee, do you have any thoughts on that Mod post about how you only recently started showing twice a week?

[Lukewarm]

Any idea why the most would say that then? lol

[Lukewarm]

Why the MOD would say that

[Lukewarm]

Did that come from you in any way? Were you surprised to see the mod post?

[Lukewarm]

Are we roleplaying now, lol

Always have been

Sure, I'm in.

Be right back as I drink my elixir, burn down a temple. and never die.

LLD, your idea of roleplay seems more fun then the dancing stuff going on. Can I roll up a halfling rogue to adventure with you?

Sure. Don't mind me. I'm a phoenix girl doing a big protecc for her friends.

I am down to be along for the ride, as long as we don't run into any demons. I am almost demon-phobic.

But, I don't know that that would really matter in this flavor? Never played these games

[Lukewarm]

LLD, if you had a vote, where would it be atm?

[Lukewarm]

But, I don't know that that would really matter in this flavor? Never played these games

Flavor actually matters a lot because if you understand the flavor you can kinda guess what kind of role they have.
As for me, I have 0 reason to hide my flavor because anyone who knows Touhou will know what I picked when I joined as this alt lol.

I'll keep that in mind.

Spoiler:

I did not realize until this post that your alt name is a character from the games lol

[Lukewarm]

Did that come from you in any way? Were you surprised to see the mod post?

UwU

Nice chat :/

[Lukewarm]

Now you made me vote.
I was going to save my glorious first vote for one of the inevitable SDM crew claim.

Is SDM crew like a miller? If so, how would I go about finding out if I was a crew member?

Titus, I googled SDM crew + touhou, and found this



I don't think it has anything to do with millers / alignments, and more of "I would vote out anyone who picked one of these characters"

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm- Aaron has made zero effort to actually scum hunt in the thread, only dance. That being said, I am debating moving my vote to SirCakez. His defense on Aaron is too strong and aggressive for a slot that has no content.

ngl Titus. Cakez's response to your post 62 is pretty close to my own. I almost voted you for it, but then decided against it and decided to try and talk to you instead.

[Lukewarm]

I am okay with limming Aaron today.

Why?

[Lukewarm]

I am okay with limming Aaron today.

Why?

Oh hi Titus lol

[Lukewarm]

Explain to me about what makes Titus obvious town and why the posts she made are outside of her scum game.

I do not like this post.

Who is outside of their scum range on page 10?

Why does a strong town read day 1 have to be outside of their scum range?

Who are you town reading?

This line of thinking feels like someone who is not sorting, but instead thinking about keeping town blocks from forming

[Lukewarm]

Huh? What does Titus scum range have to do with any of it? I'm just calling Titus obv town because I like what they've posted the most in this game with the attacks, it fits their personality to a T that I've seen from Titus before. If Titus is scum I expect a little something from them...I'll let you know if I see it. For now, they're a villa.

If you were to read people based on what range they'd have well you would always have me as a ??? Given I have the best range out of anyone in this playlist. The best scum player around, me!

I asked because it looked awfully confident for a page 10 post. But if your stance was actually "Oh Titus can be town for now," then I have no qualms with it.

I think this post somewhat answers my questions in my last post

[Lukewarm]

Read lists are overrated so instead this is a list of “would I vote Day 1?” so far.

Lukewarm - Yes
Kakeguri Addicts - Yes
Sanae - Yes
NorweegianboyEE - just parking vote atm
Yukari Yakumo -

Yes

No
Kilgamayan - No
Lady Lambdadelta - No
SirCakez - Yes
Kop - Yes
Titus - No
Aaron - No
Gamma Emerald - Yes
RegRider - Yes

Wait? You were also townreading Titus ? x.x

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Lukewarm


Why are you so shy this game?

Probably because real life is a bitch atm

So I am somewhat coasting on taking a bit more passive seat this game day, and mainly interacting with people I am more familiar with, so Titus and LLD. I tried norwee, but that did not go super well.

The way this is worded seems to imply you know me, but you are an alt, so you did not make the cut.

Although, I think I am in line to dance with Aaron soon, so I'm looking forward to that.

Did you have any questions for me?

[Lukewarm]

LLD, if you had a vote, where would it be atm?

[Lukewarm]

Sir Lukewarm, shall we take the floor?

I have never taken any dance classes before, but I'm down to try.

[Lukewarm]

So I am somewhat coasting on taking a bit more passive seat this game day, and mainly interacting with people I am more familiar with, so Titus and LLD. I tried norwee, but that did not go super well.

Because you were awkwardly asking me what i thought about the mod comment.

You were the first person I tried talking to. My first post was a light joke about our last game together. Which I expected to get a response. But it fine. I'm apparently dancing with Aaron now

[Lukewarm]

Oh right, you were in that newbie. I remember.
Like, i knew i had seen you somewhere but it took some time for it to click.

No, I was referring to that neighborhood one, where you + bingle + not_mafia were in a neighborhood together, and then I tunneled you hard day 1 because you scum read marcistar.

[Lukewarm]

You were not happy with me that game lol

[Lukewarm]

Tbh i rarely am happy when i get tunneled, and i’m also quick to get nasty which is… not ideal.

It’s something i’m trying to work on.

Well luckily, I don't think I am going to be tunneling you this game

The way you used your ability and your interactions around them I think comes from town.

So, you have landed a day 1 town read from me

[Lukewarm]

What are you thoughts on Titus?

[Lukewarm]

Lld, you are scaring me a little bit :/

[Lukewarm]

I kinda need them to respond first.

[Lukewarm]

I don't give offsite information. Also, are you trying to get me modkilled?

I don't blame you for not wanting to share off site info.

However, Titus's line of questioning would never result in your being modkilled. (And I can't picture Titus or very many people at all, setting out with the goal of getting someone mod killed).

In like my 3rd or 4th game I accidentally quoted and used meta from a game that had not ended (the person I was looking into had flipped, and that is what I was looking for), and I got a warning.

At WORST you could be force replaced, but never mod killed.

[Lukewarm]

I'm just letting you know that Titus, regardless of alignment, would never do what you just asked about. And wanted to let you know that that would never happen.

So, like, if that mad kill like is something you were still considering / worried about, letting you know it was a non issue.

[Lukewarm]

That mod kill line **

Phone posting results in typos

[Lukewarm]

I find not wanting to share his off site info nai

[Lukewarm]

Now Sir Lukewarm, I think my hat would look wonderful on you.
*puts my hat on your head*
That's much better. Now tell me, do you have any suspicions about any person in this room? Perhaps the tall sir at the back? Or the fair lady at the table over there? Oh how rude of me. I got so carried away I forgot to start dancing.

Start the music.

I must say, this is a lovely hat.

As for suspicions, I have a couple, but nothing strong.

I generally try to start with townhunting, and then give a closer look at the left overs. Well, I say that that that is what I like to do, but that often gets side tracked by something that ignites a blazing scum read on someone. A bit of kindling has been building around Reg and Yukarino, but no blazes have been lit so far.

Is there someone that you think I should be looking at more closely?

[Lukewarm]

It is all thanks to your ability to lead, but it is a lovely dance.

Titus and Norwee are the first two members of my ally list. I desperately want to add LLD to that list as well. The idea that LLD could be a spy fills me with much dread. I have make a couple moves to dance with her as well, but I am not sure if she is missing my signals or is choosing to ignoring them.

Kakeguri and yourself are both tentatively on the waiting list.

There is no one else who I feel that I have seen a reason to consider adding.

[Lukewarm]

Oh, I believe I missed a step, I believe I have mentioned having no lessons

[Lukewarm]

Did you feel that you have gained much from your first two dances?

[Lukewarm]

I don't know how to express my thoughts on norwee, in the tone of the dance, so I might just break for a moment to speak plainly.

I think that his use of his town crier ability almost always comes from town. Like, he just made a dumb joke post that said his own name in it multiple times, therefore pointing attention and questions directly his way. That is like, the opposite of what he would want as scum I believe. Furthermore, the lack of direction with the post, lack of a goal, makes it harder to believe that he has a team behind him. I feel like a scum!Norwee with a town crier role, would have sparked a debate in the scum chat about how to use the ability, so it likely would not be being used yet while they try to come up with a strategic way to use it. Claiming his second ability, while probably not the greatest plan, also seems townie as well. The ability is possibly (probably?) verifiable dependent on the other abilities of the table, plus I would expect scum Norwee to want to keep his claim options open a little. So, I believe scum!Norwee would just claim the towncrier portion of his role.

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I have encountered Kakeguri once before, as well as the Mary head alone once as well. I seem to remember there being a bit of role play coming from the Mary head in those games (and those were games where no one else was doing it) so the role play did not bother me. Furthermore, their reaction to Yukari's 228 felt very similar to my own, which similar thoughts makes me want to believe in similar alignments. Again, they are not on the same level as Norwee or Titus, but it was something that slid them higher then null, which is where the majority of the room is still sitting atm.

What has caused them to become a main suspect in your eyes?

I certainly hope that I am not disappointing, even if I had to break form for a bit.

[Lukewarm]

It is all thanks to your ability to lead, but it is a lovely dance.

Titus and Norwee are the first two members of my ally list. I desperately want to add LLD to that list as well. The idea that LLD could be a spy fills me with much dread. I have make a couple moves to dance with her as well, but I am not sure if she is missing my signals or is choosing to ignoring them.

Kakeguri and yourself are both tentatively on the waiting list.

There is no one else who I feel that I have seen a reason to consider adding.

I'm moving into a new house, I don't have a vote and I don't see a current reason to advoate for anything.

When I don't have a vote, I lack pressure application, so I choose to take a back seat examination of the thread. I'll make more time for this game, but the truth is

I'm developing reads and not sharing them right now because if I'm going to make a move without a vote I'm gonna wanna have a sense of the dynamics first.

Ahh, I believe that my signal was indeed lost, and that might be my own fault.

The message was sent in morse code. I know Rhea to be an avid ship's captain, and thought I saw you aboard her boat once or twice. I feel that I wrongly assumed you had also picked up morse code along the way.

My apologies

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

Ugh, Yumeko what kind of weird game did you drag me into. Do you expect me to play with these losers clearly below me?

Whatever, they'll make for good entertainment

VOTE: Yukari

Hm, I suppose Titus can be top class for now.

I don't see any suitable housepets besides one for now. Although, I want to keep seeing them squirm

Ugh, Yumeko what kind of weird game did you drag me into. Do you expect me to play with these losers clearly below me?

Whatever, they'll make for good entertainment

VOTE: Yukari
[REMOVED FOR UGLY GIF]

I mean if you don’t want to play this weird game it is within my power to eject you from Gensokyo :^)

Are you trying to make threats at me weirdo? Have you even seen the outfit you're wearing? How about you object that instead

BAKA

Their first few posts were pure role play

And then their were a couple other instances talking about class / school / gambling. The alts come from an anime about a gambling school, so that is all alt rp

[Lukewarm]

Also I see I am at E-2, so I'll claim. I'll note there are silly reasons to vote me, like Gamma who basically just voted me because I didn't do anything of note. My role/ability allows me to grant one wish once during the game. During twilight I can make the mod ask everyone for a wish. The wish can't kill anyone or change alignments or anything broken. Then I get all the wishes (I don't know who wished for what) and can grant one.

This feels like we should not kill Reg. This seems very provable, and as one shot, I think we should let him do that today.

[Lukewarm]

LLD, you are really really scaring me.

I have never attempted to do a ffery / cabd dance or convo before, and this was my first attempt. I saw an opportunity to claim to you in a way that only you would get, and I thought your claim seemed townie, so I went with it.

The fact that I basically told you my role, and then I have gotten radio silence from you SCARES ME

[Lukewarm]

being real with you guys, I did not realize we had a short day until I am sitting down to catch up right now

People I do not want to kill today are : Titus, Norwee, Aaron and Reg for the claim. I am gonna still put LLD on this list, even through she is scaring the hell out of me right now.

[Lukewarm]

Okay, that leaves these people:

Kakeguri Addicts
Sanae
Yukari Yakumo
Kilgamayan
SirCakez
Kop
Gamma Emerald.

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Kakeguri and Cakez have both had posts that stood out to me as "how I was thinking about the game" so, I will pull them off as well.

My brain has retained zero thoughts regarding anything said by : Sanae, Kilga, Kop, and Gamma. That makes me feel like there is likely 1-2 scum in that list, but would take a deeper reread for me to sort through then I can realistically do atm...

Yukari on the other hand, has pinged me a bit as we have gone, so I guess I am at

VOTE: Yukari

If someone has stronger thoughts on someone else, please come spell it out for me.

[Lukewarm]

By the way a quick suggestion, our eliminations should have acceleration.

What does this mean?

I am not sure myself, but we do have a bit over 5 days left.
Because 7 days deadline.

Concerning to read that in a game with 7 days deadline with one person MIA (as in didn't even post a single post).

Jesus christ there are 3 days left wtf are we doing. WHO KILL?

I've been warning about the short deadline for a while now.

I’ve been warning about short deadline for quite a while.
The fact that despite my multiple posts about warning about short deadline people are NOW realizing this is honestly kinda sketchy. Because it means game is now heading towards “oh noooo deadline” compromise wagon.

Yeah, I hate this post. I was already typing up my last one that ended with a vote on you, so this makes me feel a bit better.

[Lukewarm]

Yukari, who do you think we should kill today

[Lukewarm]

What has lead you to already have a guess at his flavor?

[Lukewarm]

follow up, why does that not fit with the flavor?

And does his claim look like a fake claim to you? Because, from what I see, it is an ability that if activated today, would result in the mod pming all of us asking for a wish, and therefore instantly confirming the ability. If that does not happen, then we know immediately that he fake claimed, and he dies tomorrow. So, sounds like a shitty fake claim to make.

[Lukewarm]

My mind is also running with ways that we can leash that ability to be beneficial to the town. I am surprised that that is not where more people's went originally on seeing the claim

[Lukewarm]

Kinda yes. It’s too wild and random. And it fits neither of the four girls he named. So I want him to claim his flavor and paraphrase how his power is explained.

I don't see the harm in him flavor claiming, since he has already claimed his ability.

I would also like more clarification on what kinds of wishes fit within the bounds of his ability.

[Lukewarm]

I have already thought that far. If his claim is believable, we can literally wish to cop the designated target every day. (Personally I’d like to be confirmed town first but it’s just my wish.)

I was kinda at: Every single player wish for X player (their choice, not coordinated) to have their alignment publicly revealed. Then, he chooses one.

[Lukewarm]

Also, do we want to help Norwee figure out what to do with his role?

Telling him who to target feels counter productive, but like, should he just holster, or should he be using it?

[Lukewarm]

I have already thought that far. If his claim is believable, we can literally wish to cop the designated target

every day

. (Personally I’d like to be confirmed town first but it’s just my wish.)

He claimed it as one shot

[Lukewarm]

I looked back at his iso (lol), I could kill kop

[Lukewarm]

It kinda sucks that the one game that I come in and decide to be laid back day 1, turns out almost everyone chose this game for that too :/

[Lukewarm]

You constantly bringing up LLD scaring you but not doing anything about it is really pinging as scum.

That is probably because those posts are not for you. I am mainly hoping they would get LLD to engage with me more, and hopefully get rid of my fears.

The "not doing anything about it" line in this post, would indicate that you think I am calling LLD scum when I say that she is scaring me. And that is not accurate.

[Lukewarm]

The "not doing anything about it" line in this post, would indicate that you think I am calling LLD scum when I say that she is scaring me. And that is not accurate.

If anything, I went from "oh sweet, LLD is town, let me claim to her" to "why is she not responding, or even just acknowledging that she got the message?" To "FUCK, what if I was wrong?" which, yeah. If I was wrong, telling her my role was probably bad

But that is more like, she went from def town, to me having some paranoia, without seeing anything to actually think she is scum. So it is like she went from a town read to a much weaker town lean, at worst maybe null?

[Lukewarm]

@SirCakez

How is it a mafia role? I don't know who sent the wish. If its a mafia, role I can just ask my scumteam what they wished for. Additionally I can TELL them what to wish for.

Exactly that's why it could be scum..

Could be but he's effectively leashed to only do a protown wish.

Very much this.

I think that my earlier suggestion is still where I am leaning. Every one wishes:

"I wish for *Lukewarm's* alignment to be publicly revealed to the thread"

*(Everyone plugs in the name of whoever they want)

And then Reg chooses one. If no one's alignment is mod revealed tomorrow, we kill Reg

Anything we go with needs to be loud, so that we know if Reg followed through or not.

@Reg, can you ask if the above wish would be accepted

[Lukewarm]

I liked Yukari's posts when we were both on yesterday.

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

Other concerns RE: Gamma aside, I don't think concern regarding a potential cost of using the Miracle Mallet to grant a wish is AI. (For what it's worth, if there were a cost of using it in this game, that cost would most likely be at the user's expense individually.)

I disagree with this take, for like the exact reason you just said. From what was pointed out, it seems like the person who would "pay the price" would be the person who made the wish. So, if the scum team spotted that they could just make bad wishes that Reg would not pick, and therefore not risk paying the price.

Telling the entire thread that there might be a price to pay seem pretty pro town imo

VOTE: kop

I can do this or Kilga atm

[Lukewarm]

I would like to kill Lady Lambdadelta today.

Ok.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

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I feel like I need to claim, and explain why LLD should know my role for that to make sense.

Spoiler:

"But Luke, too many people are claiming Day 1. Don't do it"

I am a hider. And I was actually really happy that so many people were town reading me, because it looked like I might actually stop the night kill.

I am trying to imagine a world where town!LLD makes 533, and I can't. Her saying I am her number one kill target stops that, and strongly hampers my role. No one is going to kill her number one scum read (just because of how LLD plays), and I feel like she must know that. Furthermore, even if she scum reads me, she doesn't have the votes. So bringing it up doesn't kill me, it just muddies reads around me, and therefore stops the scum team from targeting me. So, Town!LLD making 533, while knowing that I am claiming to be a hider, while I am also being decently town read, I don't think ever happens.

If she is scum though, I told her that I can never be night killed. So, putting me as a scum read makes sense. Firstly, she has to get me voted out at some point, so muddying the reads around me is good. Secondly, it explains why I am not getting targeted by the night kill.

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~~Decoder ring time~~

In the Bloodstained theme game, a game that just ended, LLD was a demon-phobic hider

Spoiler:

Lady Lambdadelta was endgamed, and was...

Human Town Demon-phobic Hider / Demonic Vanilla Townie

I first did a general soft at her, asking to be a halfling rogue. I then made it hyper specific to her, and told her

I am down to be along for the ride, as long as we don't run into any demons. I am

almost demon-phobic

.

But,

I don't know that that would really matter in this flavor

? Never played these games

I told her that I was "almost demonphobic" so similar to her role in Bloodstained, but that the demon part did not matter in this flavor == I am a hider.

When she started ghosting me, I was worried that it could just be that in Bloodstained it was Rhea playing, and in this game it is Niamh. So maybe she did not get the reference right away. So, I pointed her in the direction she needed in order to get it.

Ahh, I believe that my signal was indeed lost, and that might be my own fault.

The message was sent in morse code.

I know Rhea to be an avid ship's captain

, and thought

I saw you aboard her boat once or twice

. I feel that I wrongly assumed you had also picked up morse code along the way.

Bloodstained was, to my understanding, Rhea's first ever game. However, Niamh made a couple posts that game (which is why I originally thought she at least knew the role).

But here, I told her that my claim to her might be one that made more sense for Rhea to get, because it was from a game that Rhea played (rhea is a ships captain), but Niamh made posts that game as well (she was on board the ship once or twice).

When she still did not acknowledge me, I went so far as to explicitly say that I claimed to her, and that I did it in the style of how Cabd and Ffery claim to one another in games.

I have never attempted to do a ffery / cabd dance or convo before, and this was my first attempt.

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So all in all, I think LLD must know that I claimed hider, and I also don't think that a town!LLD that knows I claimed hider ever makes 533 (even if she is suspicious of me, because I am not dying today, so it does nothing buy harm my role if I am telling the truth). So, I think she is scum here

[Lukewarm]

Literally all she had to piece together was "I am demon phobic, but different flavor" to mean, I am the same role as you were when you were a demon phobic hider.

I acknowledged that the claim would not make me town to her.

[Lukewarm]

Being cryptic is not banned.Like, actually using a cypher is.

Every bit of what I said was based in events that happened on site, in completed games. So, works under site rules.

(Or at least, that is my understanding watching cabd and ffery play)

[Lukewarm]

Is it very plausible that LLD just didn't get any of that and thought you were acting scummish?

My thoughts are that I would not be surprised if she missed it in the first read through.

But, I explicitly and repeatedly told her that I sent her a cryptic message that would tell her my exact role.

I find it harder to believe that she missed the "I am demon phobic, but different flavor" = "I am a hider" after all of that (plus, demon phobic is such a weird phrase anyways)

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE: Lukewarm

I believe you tailored your claim to LLD. That doesn't mean LLD understood. See me and math in our last normal.

I do have a question though, why were you crumbing hider in the first place,m

Mainly because I just walked out of a bloodstained, where I watched cabd and ffery do this exact thing, and I was curious to try.

And then I saw an opportunity, and I took it. I (seemingly too quickly) town binned lld for her claim, and I saw a way to do it. So I did.

[Lukewarm]

Also why not elim the person who has a vote first? But I also recall Luke suggesting a loudcop on him, seems risky if he's mafia. I can see him as town wanting to confirm himself.

Yeah, I was hoping to get multiple people to wish for me to be loud copped, and planned on submitting that wish myself, because I thought if I made myself an IC, that I would definitely be targeted by the night kill and therefore deny a scum kill that way.

[Lukewarm]

Given we have a claimed TOWN DREAMING GOD.

LLD, that is a different game.

[Lukewarm]

Do not talk about ongoings

Yeah, I was trying to warn you of the same thing.

[Lukewarm]

Wishing for a power is dreaming god, no?

That is not how dreaming god works. Hence my confusion

[Lukewarm]

Dreaming god does not wish for any power they want.

A dreaming god is given a list of flavor sentences that they don't know what do, and then have to choose one to use. Basically, a JOAT that does not know what their abilities are

I have been a dreaming god on site.

[Lukewarm]

Basically, they submit "Use ability 3 (what ever that is) on player x" and hope for the best. It is a silly role lol

[Lukewarm]

When I was a dreaming god, one of my abilities was :

"Screw the Mod" and that killed my target. Very unexpected

[Lukewarm]

That is not what a hider does. I can't clear anyone.

I hide behind someone, and if I am targeted with any killing abilities, they fail. But if my target is targeted with a killing abilitiy, we both die

[Lukewarm]

From the wiki, https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hider

The Normal version of the Hider is one of the simplest: the Hider, when they use their ability, cannot be killed by actions targeted at them; however, if their target dies as a result of an active killing action (e.g. a factional kill or Vigilante shot), the Hider will also die.

[Lukewarm]

I plan on wishing to gain the innocent child ability.

If reg chooses it, it will make me a confirmed townie that the scum team cannot kill directly

[Lukewarm]

At this point, I would rather take our chances with Sir Lukewarm or Lady Niamh. I would really prefer to have no more claims out today.

From what I've seen, I actually think Lady Niamh looks a lot better than Sir Lukewarm

??

How did you get here from your last post

I've trusted Lukewarm since our dance and do find the scum reads very strange

. I'm quite surprised Lady Niamh and Kakeguri think that at all. Sir Lukewarm, why is Kakeguri town? I am interested in this Lady Niamh spy theory but I am not convinced. Tone wise I find it possible but at the same time Lady Niamh said she was moving so strange behavior is not too strange in that situation. I think it would be good for everyone to submit a wish for a cop result on

Lady Niamh or someone with a similar null status

.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Aaron

I don't buy his stated transition as genuine.

Post 570, I am nearly confirmed town in his eyes

Sir Lukewarm

and Norwe are

near confirmed ally

with Lady Titus quite closely following

And in the same post, LLD was Null

I think it would be good for everyone to submit a wish for a cop result on

Lady Niamh or someone with a similar null status.

This was after LLD fos'ed me and after I full claimed and voted LLD back. And then that turned into a vote on me in like his very next post. When questioned

I quite like Lady Niamh's posts around Sir Lukewarm's claim (Sir Lukewarm looks much better until Lady Niamh claims). I thought Sir Lukewarm's claim was extremely towny because it was.

But I find Lady Niamh's much townier.

I do feel like one of the two is likely a spy based off of claims and if either is lying, then that means one of them is a spy anyways so I find it wise to vote one of the two out today.

LLD claimed long before I did, so the timeline of what I bolded it bad.

But also, from his pov a "near confirmed ally" town read and a "null read" walk into a 1v1, and his response is to vote the town read?

Even if you do think that LLD looks townie in her posts from 570-637, enough to elevate her above a null read, why does he not appear to be worried that we could just be tvt?

[Lukewarm]

All of Aaron's post just now looked like flailing scum to me. I want to kill him.

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Reg, make sure you have your ability active!

I plan to submit "I wish to gain the Innocent Child ability"

I would like someone else to submit "I wish for Lukewarm's alignment to be publicly revealed to the thread" -- please use those words, and don't just say loud cop because those are not the same thing.

Spoiler:

Loud's mafiascum definition from the wiki "The Loud modifier makes it so if Player A targets Player B at night, Player B will be informed that they were targeted by Player A but not what action was taken. For example, if Player A was a Loud Cop and used it on Player B, Player B would be notified that they were targeted by Player A, but not that they used cop."

I want both wishes to be submitted so that if either one is not accepted by the mod, the other might be. Reg, if both options make it to you, I would suggest the one that has my name spelled in it, incase another member of the town decides to also wish to be an IC for some reason. Better safe then sorry.

I think that me becoming an IC is an incredibly strong option for the wish, because I cannot be killed, and it would clear up any reservations anyone has about me from the two seperate 1v1s I have had in the last like 24 hours.

[Lukewarm]

666 is mostly wifom about not doing what he is doing. But, his jump in on the 1v1 was super opportunistic and makes a lot of sense for scum Aaron to do.

If LLD and I are tvt, then we both just claimed roles that cannot be killed by the scum team, and we have to be voted out. So, yeah, pushing for us to shoot inside of the two of is would be a good plan. And hell, if we are tvt, then once I flipped town hider that lines him up to killing LLD, who herself just said that we cannot both exist as claimed. If we are tvs, then killing off the most vocal "I want to kill LLD" player would be smart too. Especially if he thought that his way of doing it would not get him backlash. He presented the plan to kill me in 640. That is a post that looks to be dotting his Is and crossing his Ts on why it is the best vote, to avoid that backlash.

667 is the flail. He is just now realizing that we could possibly exist together, something he never considered all the way up to voting out his strongest town read. (Also, it WAS pointed out by gamma in 587)

668 and 669 are just weak discredits. I was voting for LLD and had her pinned as scum. So saying that I dropped it is not even true. The stuff about the Kilga wagon is not even true either? At the time, I think Kilga had 2 votes at the time I voted for Aarong. This man is

Reaching

670 probably takes the cake. He has "never had someone's alignment spelled out this clearly before" Because I made one post at 7:20, that asked a question. And then I made a second post at 9:00 saying that I did not like his answer to my question.

[Lukewarm]

Oh ok so Lukewarm is claiming bulletproof hider?

No?

I cannot be killed because being a hider makes me immune to the night kill...

[Lukewarm]

I don't believe revealing Lukewarm's alignment does much for this game. I think there are different ways to sort him even if we do leave him alive

You are sure that I am scum and have "never had someone's alignment spelled out to you so clearly before" , AND there are lots of people town reading me, and you think that revealing my alignment does much for the game?

Like, if you think I am scum, having a guilty on me, right now, when people are on my side, town reading me, and somewhat following me, seems like it should be a big deal from your pov, no?

[Lukewarm]

@Reg

Do you activate your ability during the day?

If yes, have you already activated it?

[Lukewarm]

Oh ok so Lukewarm is claiming bulletproof hider?

No?

I cannot be killed because being a hider makes me immune to the night kill...

What if your hiding makes the action fail?
If you want the wish you cannot hide tonight.
I asked the mod earlier about whether hiding would make the wish fail but the mod refused to clarify.

My role does not stop anything except kills. All other abilities still reach me

[Lukewarm]

You did not 360 your read on me until you needed to discredit me

You vote post walked through all of the other people, and why they were not great votes, and then focused on us being in a 1v1, and even with your vote did not call me scum

VOTE: Lukewarm

I am sad to do this because I was quite certain Sir Lukewarm was an ally but I do think this is very likely the correct vote.

So yes.

[Lukewarm]

Actually, I am grabbing the whole quote. You took great pains to outline how you ended up with a vote on me, despite your prior town read. So this "Why would I 360 my read on you" is completely baseless. You did not actually call me scum a single time until after I voted you

I am often confused by Sir Gamma's takes on the game but overall, I feel that the sir is probably an ally. I am also cutting him some slack since rhymes are difficult.

Lady Yukari's most recent posts I quite like. I've been conflicted on the lady because her posts either feel quite good or quite bad to me but the good parts are enough for me not to want her out today.

I don't as firmly believe Lady Sanae is an ally as before, however, I do think she is not someone we should be voting out today.

Honorable Kilga could easily be a spy but I believe we will be able to sort him better as time passes.

Sir Norwe and Lady Titus are people that I quite firmly believe are allies.

Sir Reg will prove himself tonight.

To me, this leaves Sir Lukewarm, Lady Niamh, Sir Cakez, and Sir Kop. Two of these are in a 1v1 right now so it makes the most sense to vote out one of the two today.

VOTE: Lukewarm

I am sad to do this because I was quite certain Sir Lukewarm was an ally but I do think this is very likely the correct vote.

[Lukewarm]

Yeah. Aaron is scum. I am done interacting with him, because he is clearly not actually talking in good faith.

"Why would I 360 my read on you?" Wifom defense
"You didn't until you needed to discredit"

"Why would I vote you to discredit when you did were not trying to kill me" Wifom defense 2
"When you voted me, you did not try to discredit. You needed to discredit when I started pushing you"

"Oh, so now you are arguing that it is weird that I did not 360 my read on you" which is just nonsensical.


And note, that despite repeated WIFOM defenses, and misrepping my posts to make them seem nonsensical, and moving the goal post, he has done very little to address the reasons I voted him to begin with.

And just look at how DESPERATE this man is to stay alive.

[Lukewarm]

Just to lastly answer that question in 695. Yes. If I am voted off today, I think that having your alignment to be revealed with the wish would not be a bad choice.

If you are scum, then I won't be here any more to lead your elim, so I want to make sure you go down.
If I am wrong, and you are town, I don't want scum to be able to lead a miselim in my name based off of my read.

So yes, I think that if you are not being killed today, revealing your alignment would be good. Maybe not the best, but definitely good.

LLD might be better, just because if she is town, her claimed role would make an immortal IC, which seems good to me. And if scum, we find scum, so yay!

[Lukewarm]

On further thought, I am adjusting my ideal wish plans.

If we kill aaron, and he flips scum, then I think that Reg should grant a wish to reveal LLD's alignment.

If I am wrong, and aaron flips town, I would very much like the wish to go to revealing my alignment.

Reg said that we had to wish in twilight, so I think that both wishes should be submitted, and then Reg can use the flip to decide who to grant

[Lukewarm]

@Reg

Do you activate your ability during the day?

If yes, have you already activated it?

Bringing this to the current page

[Lukewarm]

All of Aaron's post just now looked like flailing scum to me. I want to kill him.

Didn’t you say the same when you tunneled town!me in that newbie?

I don't think you and I have even been in a newbie game together at the same time. Our one shared Newbie game, you died before I repped in. So I think you have me mixed up with someone else. The time I tunneled you, it was because I did not like you read on Marci.

That being said, I definitely don't have a 100% read accuracy.

[Lukewarm]

Norwee, thoughts on 663?

That is my original reason to vote him, since you don't like my comments on the flail energy I get from him after that, maybe look at what originally drew my vote to him

[Lukewarm]

Also, what is your read on Aaron? I did not see anything about him when I looked back at your iso

[Lukewarm]

I'm immortal and votelesss.

I am a hider.

[Lukewarm]

his townread on you was also mostly for the claim.

Where did you get this idea?

I've trusted Lukewarm since our dance and do find the scum reads very strange.

He stated that his strong town read of me came from our dance, which had nothing to do with my claim...

[Lukewarm]

That is not the same thing that I disagreed with Norwee

[Lukewarm]

Plus if he hide behind LLD, who can’t be nightkilled, he can’t be killed so

@ LLD, it was not until that post that I really understood why you, if you were town, would think that our claims could not exist in the same game.

I cannot hide behind you every night. I am a hider, but I also have a modifier. I have no intention of saying what it is, because it would tell the scum team how to play around my protection, but I could see us existing in the game together. Your claim did not jump out at me as game breaking combo'ed with me because of it.

[Lukewarm]

I also did not like Norwee's approach to the whole thing, which is why I asked him to give a read on Aaron. My first thought was that he was trying to dissuade the Aaron wagon without calling Aaron town.

And to me, that makes the most sense for Norwee scum with Aaron specifically. Because, well scum!Norwee, in a town Aaron world could just join in. No need to put his neck out with the sanae vote. Especially since he has already made this post:

Just find an elimination that is not completely awful and i'll support it i guess.
But i still think Gamma is an good choice.

He already laid the ground work to sheep.

So I feel like I want to kill Aaron first, and revisit post flip.

[Lukewarm]

LLD, I see what you see. It bothered me too, as it happened.

I am just also scum reading Aaron pretty hard atm.

I will sleep on it.

I think that it would also change around the way I want to do the wishes, but I saw that we get a 24 hour twilight so I guess we can sort that out post hammer, on which ever we go with.

[Lukewarm]

I noticed that you pushed Norwee for not weighing in on Aaron's alignment or my case against him. But you didn't either.

Can you drop your thoughts for both of those for me?

[Lukewarm]

I don't buy 765 as a town post.

I still think I want to kill Aaron today.

He decided that we should vote off one of his strongest town reads because of the claims clashing, and is now claiming to be a role cop that had the ability to check into that himself.

Never thinking that lld and myself could be tvt, despite heavily townreading me before the 1v1 does not seem like a town mindset. Never questioning whether our claims could co-exist does not seem like a town mindset. Never considering checking the claims himself does not seem like a town mindset. His stance on me being copped, when he claims to scum read me and everyone else town reads me does not seem like a town mind set.

The IC on me thing really pings me. He is supposedly in this game to scum hunt, and claims to scum read me, but "if other people town read Luke, I will just drop it. No need to check"

I am leaning scum!rolecop with the claim.

----

This is a role madness game. We cannot not kill just because people claim to have roles. Everyone has them.

If people are scared off of the Aaron wagon, then I will be submitting a wish for Aaron's alignment to be revealed to the thread.

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm, you are not going to get me out today because half of my role is role cop and the other half is even more powerful than that so you best not touch me today. My role is stronger than every single claimed role right now

This gives me flash backs to Titus's run for Master in the FGO game, in the way that it looked exactly like the way a scum player would come up with to describe their ability.

[Lukewarm]

The IC on me thing really pings me. He is supposedly in this game to scum hunt, and claims to scum read me, but "if other people town read Luke, I will just drop it. No need to check"

Like, I am pretty sure that he is scum, and that leaves me first and foremost wanting him to die, and if I cannot rally the votes I want his alignment out there. If I am right, then we found scum, yay! If I am wrong, I can avoid spending day 2+ tunneled on him.

Conversely, Aaron was convinced I was scum. "never had someone's alignment spelled out this clearly before" convinced that I was scum. And he was content saying that if he could not kill me, he also did not want my alignment revealed? Absolutely mind boggling.

Like, seriously, if you are Convinced someone is scum, and you cannot get them voted out - are you really going to then campaign against them being copped? Like that is THE time to cop someone. When they are scum, but not getting voted out without a guilty.

[Lukewarm]

I noticed that you pushed Norwee for not weighing in on Aaron's alignment or my case against him. But you didn't either.

Can you drop your thoughts for both of those for me?

LLD

[Lukewarm]

Well, LLD, do you see why that would worry me?

Because from my pov, the Aaron wagon was gaining steam. And then two people stepped up to derail it. Norwee... and you.

Norwee, by coming up with contrived ways to argue against it and appearing to take a devil's advocate approach. And you by hard shifting the focus onto Norwee. Both before his claim.

[Lukewarm]

I want to kill Aaron still, but it does not look like I will have the votes :/

[Lukewarm]

Well, LLD, do you see why that would worry me?

Because from my pov, the Aaron wagon was gaining steam. And then two people stepped up to derail it. Norwee... and you.

Norwee, by coming up with contrived ways to argue against it and appearing to take a devil's advocate approach. And you by hard shifting the focus onto Norwee. Both before his claim.

Please explain how your logic tracks. Your logic here implies I am somehow... Bussing Norwee to save Aaron?

If so please vote Norwee and

if he flips wcum

you can have Aaron tomorrow for all I care.

No, I meant that unrelated to Norwee, you could have been trying to save Aaron. And Norwee was the pivot point. So, I was asking you the same questions I was asking Norwee. Which was to state a read on Aaron if you were gonna be derailing the Aaron wagon.

The "we can kill Aaron,

if Norwee flips scum

" line from you right here did not exactly help that feeling :/

but fine. I don't have the votes for Aaron anyways

VOTE: Norwee

I will be wishing for Aaron's alignment to be revealed.

[Lukewarm]

I feel like you keep changing this what I will be wishing for thing and I jave no idea what I will wish for until I see a flip

We have to wish before the flip. We wish during twilight

So, yeah, my wish is gonna be different based on the wagon that goes through

[Lukewarm]

That could work, although it would need to be worded differently.

Loud does not actually mean "revealed in the thread" like a lot of people have been using it, and I don't want that technicallity to mess us up.

Maybe "I wish that it is publicly revealed in the thread whether Lukewarm and Lady Lambdadelta share an alignment"

[Lukewarm]

Can we wait 2 hours before hammer?

Also, I should have asked this, can our wish include explainations?

I don't mind.

Also, this game comes with 24 hour twilights, so we will have time to talk about our wishes.

I kinda want to coordinate several different possibilities so that even if our top choice is rejected, Reg will be given something that we want as a possibility

[Lukewarm]

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate. D1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-14 00:25:25).

[Lukewarm]

Wait. Is there enough votes for Aaron?

I just saw reg and cakes express interest.

Me + Titus + reg + cakes makes it the largest wagon

VOTE: Aaron

[Lukewarm]

My compromise wagon is norwee, but I will be around to hammer kakeguri if I must to get an elim through

VOTE: norwee

[Lukewarm]

Because I think a norwee flip will give more info into lld.

[Lukewarm]

And I could see him as an Aaron partner

[Lukewarm]

If norwee flips scum, then lld is town

[Lukewarm]

I also did not like norwees devil's advocate stance around the Aaron wagon, and did not like his interaction with lld around that same time.

So, norwee has made it to scum lean for me. Kakeguri is a hard null read.

I will vote kakeguri to get a wagon through, but my preference is norwee of the two

[Lukewarm]

How do you plan to get to 7 or kakeguri? I'm here, and my vote can move before thedeadline, butt we need to see where all the people not on norwee or kakeguri are gonna land.

If they don't show up, we are missing the dead line either way

[Lukewarm]

The wagon on Kakeguri is the only viable wagon.

And I hate that

VOTE: Kakeguri

The biggest things that happened this day phase was all of the stuff between [Me, LLD, Aaron, and Norwee] and we are choosing to not clear up any of it...

[Lukewarm]

That is E-2

[Lukewarm]

Wait shoot do I need to wait for twilight to get the wish submitted?

This game has a 24 hour twilight. You can wish tomorrow. Get some sleep

[Lukewarm]

If norwee flips scum, then lld is town

Like, wow… just wow…

Do you think that LLD is bussing you right now?

[Lukewarm]

You are mixing up "reasons why I scum read you" and "responding to your defenses" and "stating that something did not change my opinion" as all being my stance.

I think that you are scum because your positions and transitions don't look genuine, and you don't appear to believe the very things you are saying. You don't seem genuine, and I see scum motivation behind several things you did (especially pushing the idea that we had to kill between me and LLD)

The other things you said are my "stances" are not that. You specifically asked "why would I 360" that was your defense. I responded to it. That did not make it the basis for my scum read.
I did not like your response to my push on you, it looked pretty bad imo. That did not make it the basis for my scum read. You claiming a powerful PR did not scare me off of my scum read, but that did not make it the basis for my scum read.

[Lukewarm]

You seem to think I can't post emotionally and that all confidence is full 100% level confidence.

Yeah, don't try and act like I am just making up how confident you have claimed to be on your stances.

I feel like I've never had someone's alignment spelled out this clearly before

Sir Lukewarm and Norwe are near confirmed ally with Lady Titus quite closely following.

[Lukewarm]

aww that sucks : (

I was really looking forward to playing with Maria.

What am I supposed to be wishing for and how do I submit a wish?

It is my understanding that Reg has to activate the ability, and then the mod will ask us for our wishes

[Lukewarm]

Kakeguri Addicts [7]: Gamma Emerald, Titus, RedRider, SirCakez, Lukewarm, Yukari Yakumo, NorweegianboyEE [HAMMER!]

I think wishing for it to be publicly declared how many mafia are on this wagon would be good.

Any objections to that wish?

Yes, if possible I would like all three scum roles because that makes my role cop a full cop.

I dislike this plan. It pushes all of the utility onto you.

Which, I think you are scum so, yeah .

But even if I am wrong, and you are town, then you dying tonight would mean that we lose "the stongest pr we have" and we lost most of the power from the wish.

[Lukewarm]

Like, even if you are town, that gambles the entire wish on us having a doctor this game, and them targeting you, and the scum team having neither a strongman nor a roleblock.

I want the wishes to be publicly done, and ones that cannot be interfered with by the scum team

[Lukewarm]

I dislike this plan. It pushes all of the utility onto you.

Which, I think you are scum so, yeah .

But even if I am wrong, and you are town, then you dying tonight would mean that we lose "the stongest pr we have" and we lost most of the power from the wish.

Revealing all scum roles is beneficial to town regardless of my role cop. Aside from that, you wanted to vote me out today so you shouldn't care if I die tonight or not.

Aaron: "you are not leaving room for you to be wrong"

Luke: "this is plan has holes, even if I am wrong"

Aarong: "why do you care about the possibility where I could be town"

....

[Lukewarm]

I kind of like LLD's mod revealed parity cop wish. More so then just a straight cop on you.

Like maybe, Parity cop on me+you. Works as a full cop result on you from my pov, and a full cop result on me from your pov.

And furthermore, if you were to be killed over night because of your claim, it would confirm me anyways.

[Lukewarm]

If I am right, I will get to fight you to the death tomorrow. If I am wrong, we are both pulled out of bad reads.

[Lukewarm]

dude, I can both think you were the most likely person to flip scum today AND want to safe guard the wish utility.

We are in a role madness game, so a pr claim is not going to stop me from pushing my top scum read.

[Lukewarm]

Deal. I will wish for that.

I will too, incase you are lying about wishing for that, we should both submit it

But then everyone else should be making different wishes. All public wishes, so that if unwnd does not like that wish, something will still get to Reg

[Lukewarm]

1) I disagree, and think it is almost always best to ignore claims day 1 in a role madness game, short of confirmable town roles (friendly neighbor for example)
2) I disagree that a role cop is even super powerful, definitely weaker then the wish granting claim (which we had ALREADY wagon diverted for)
3) It doesnt matter. a hammer already happened

[Lukewarm]

The mod still has not told is we can wish, which is troubling :/

[Lukewarm]

Did you submit before the lim was finished? If not I expect the chance for wishes has diminished.

I explicitly asked about this, so I really hope that is not the case :/

[Lukewarm]

Thats a lot of death

[Lukewarm]

Killing Kakeguri was really good tho. They were a hard counter to my role, and I would also be dead right now if we had voted anyone else out Day 1

[Lukewarm]

Should we all claim our wishes, for Reg to cross check?

[Lukewarm]

I feel like the Kakeguri flip makes LLD town. If she knew I was a hider, and knew that kakeguri could then use it against me to kill me, then I don't think that she would have picked a fight with me.

[Lukewarm]

Yukari, what was your wish?

[Lukewarm]

Reg, I wanted everyone to claim their wishes before you dropped the list of accepted wishes :/

[Lukewarm]

Reg, I wanted everyone to claim their wishes before you dropped the list of accepted wishes :/

Also, that was wish that was granted. And it does ask for it to be in thread (assuming that is a paraphrasing issue from reg) but for some reason, instead of it just happening. I gained an ability that would make my wish come true. I did not activate it yet, because I was trying to get everyone to claim wishes before reg said what was chosen :/

(Although, I think that means that if anyone who died's wishes had been chosen, they never would have gone off)

[Lukewarm]

That was **my** wish

[Lukewarm]

Just to confirm what Yukari has said, I just pmed the mod to ask if I had submitted the wish "I want Lukewarms alignment to be publically revealed to the thread" would the wish be accepted, and the mod confirmed that that wish would not have been accepted.

I did not get a good explanation as to why that would not be allowed.

[Lukewarm]

He said that that wish was too big, but I don't really understand why that is any bigger then the parity cop wishes

(Waited for confirmation that I could say that in thread, and mod said it was good)

[Lukewarm]

Also oh hey Luke is town.

[Lukewarm]

I have also already claimed that I cannot hide behind lld repeatedly. I have a limit on how I target

[Lukewarm]

The "counter claim" was that from lld's pov, a pure hider is broken along side her role. Because I would be able to hide behind her every night, and then neither one of us would be killable. Ever.

However, my ability is balanced around that some what with my modifier AND the scum team had a direct counter to me in kakeguri. So I am of the opinion that we could both be in this game, as claimed

[Lukewarm]

That is not the reason I put lld in my town pile.she is in my town pile because I told her, and only her, that I am a hider. And her response was to try and kill me.

That looks way more like town "there is no way we are balanced together" mindset.

As opposed to town lld who could acknowledge my claim, and then let kakeguri land a bonus kill on me night 1

[Lukewarm]

As opposed to *scum* lld, who could...

[Lukewarm]

Oh, norwee. We never decided what to do with you.

Are you acting, or holstering?

If you are acting, don't out and out say your target atm u don't think

[Lukewarm]

Shouldn't be hard for RegRider to confirm my wish submission, since I made sure to put my name in the wish instead of "I."

I only got 4 wishes and none of them had your name in them.

Someone wished for the ability to extend the day by 72 hours.
Someone wished that a random town vote voted Kakeguri is mod confirmed on the first vote list.
Someone wanted a loud par[i?]ty cop on Aaron and Luke
And lastly someone wanted the mod to confirm if Aaron and Luke have the same alignment.

I chose the last.

Can you confirm that the third and fourth option are both me + Aaron?

So no, me+lld?

[Lukewarm]

Confirming Lukewarm kinda lame, i thought he was already town.

Yeah, it would have been more useful had Aaron lived through the night. But this is the world we live in

[Lukewarm]

Why?

[Lukewarm]

I think you should talk to Aaron, and ask him for his result.

[Lukewarm]

Lld, I did not originally want to be copped. I originally planned to wish for the innocent child ability. I doubt that would work with a godfather without being bastard.

Furthermore, the wording of the wish stated nothing about parity cops or about investigatives. I specifically asked for the mod to confirm if the two of us share an alignment. Based on the wording of the wish and the wording of the mod post, I would think that it was a mod lie if I had something like a godfather ability

[Lukewarm]

I am concerned that two people have claimed to have wished for a parity cop targeting me + LLD, and those wishes did not make it to reg, but that the wishes asking for a parity cop targeting me+aaron did get approved.

I am asking the mod if that wish would have been accepted if I had wished it. He answered when I asked using the Yukari wish, so I expect a similar response.

[Lukewarm]

I do not want to kill Norwee.

[Lukewarm]

How long do you keep this neighborhood with Aaron?

[Lukewarm]

I wish for a loud parity cop targetting me and Luke.

Still need to read but i wished for the lld Luke loud parity cop

I asked the mod if I had wished for a loud parity cop targeting me and LLD, would the wish be accepted, and the mod said that it would have been accepted.

So, I need some answers from the two of you

[Lukewarm]

What was Aaron's result from last night

[Lukewarm]

I wish for a loud parity cop targetting me and Luke.

Still need to read but i wished for the lld Luke loud parity cop

I asked the mod if I had wished for a loud parity cop targeting me and LLD, would the wish be accepted, and the mod said that it would have been accepted.

So, I need some answers from the two of you

What I am looking for here is for the two of you to pm the mod to see if your wish was accepted.

If no, then why was it not accepted.

[Lukewarm]

luke - I am sad about what you did last night

I do not have any idea what this means. Please enlighten me

[Lukewarm]

yayayayayayyaya

VOTE: kilgaaaa


aaron said he targeted sircakes last night but he didnt tell me his result

Like, he refused to give you his result after you asked?

[Lukewarm]

I wish for a loud parity cop targetting me and Luke.

Still need to read but i wished for the lld Luke loud parity cop

I asked the mod if I had wished for a loud parity cop targeting me and LLD, would the wish be accepted, and the mod said that it would have been accepted.

So, I need some answers from the two of you

What I am looking for here is for the two of you to pm the mod to see if your wish was accepted.

If no, then why was it not accepted.

@sircakez
@lld

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: sircakes

I have multiple hanging questions for him, and not getting answers can drag out the day to the point we cannot use gamma.

(I have a question for lld as well, but she is vla)

[Lukewarm]

Sorry I have been a bit mia. Spent all day moving into my new apartment yesterday.

[Lukewarm]

he wants you to explain it in a way that only he can understand

he apologizes for not being able to return your result to you as he is dead

Wait cakes did not even get his results from last night?

Then really, what the hell did he mean when he said he did not like what I did last night

[Lukewarm]

My thoughts. (And apologies if this ends up a mess. This will be a long post with lots of detail, and some pre-emptive defense (that would generally be unneeded at this point) because I won't be able to answer questions on any of it)

Norwee

:
I stopped wanting to kill norwee for 3 reasons. Firstly, Aaron flipped town, and a lot of my suspicions on him were that he was trying to save scumAaron. Secondly, kakeguri joined lld's norwee push, when she could have just as easily followed onto the Aaron push. Thirdly [redacted]

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LLD

:
Lld's 1082 and 1085 did not sit well with me for a few reasons.

Spoiler:

Man I have this paranoia Luke is a godfather from how hard Luke pushed to be copped.

And Hider claim is an excellent way not to die even after being confirmed...

Luke needs to be voted out the day BEFORE ELO if he's still alive. Just saying.

That works as a reaction to both norwee and LLD

I'm saying that I was and am concerned with a godfather on Luke, and it was my hope today that Luke and I would be parity cop'd so I could tell people to flip Luke to confirm me, and then I'd never be able to die and I'd be a perma innocent child treestump essentially.

Explicitly because I don't trust Luke's claim+request

So nothing to be done with it now, as far as things go. We can't and shouldn't try to eliminate Luke wiht a clear on him... and maybe he is just town and we're shooting elsewhere anyway

but if we get to a day before ELO, luke should be killed to ensure this isn't a thing, if he is sitll alive then

Firstly, I did not keep my wish at copping me for most of the time. At first I was basically advocating for Reg to be turned into a one shot loud cop, I then switched to making myself an innocent child (and I still stand by that being a bastard option for a godfather, although I now think it would not have been accepted for anyone) but then once I started scum reading Aaron I was more focused on getting Aaron's alignment revealed then my own, and repeatedly said that if he was not killed he should be copped. The only reason I ended up revealed at all was because LLD suggested the Parity cop over straight cop. So it felt like she misrepped my trajectory over Day 1 in order to put that Godfather thought in the thread

Spoiler:

I was kinda at: Every single player wish for X player (their choice, not coordinated) to have their alignment publicly revealed. Then, he chooses one.

@SirCakez

How is it a mafia role? I don't know who sent the wish. If its a mafia, role I can just ask my scumteam what they wished for. Additionally I can TELL them what to wish for.

Exactly that's why it could be scum..

Could be but he's effectively leashed to only do a protown wish.

Very much this.

I think that my earlier suggestion is still where I am leaning. Every one wishes:

"I wish for *Lukewarm's* alignment to be publicly revealed to the thread"

*(Everyone plugs in the name of whoever they want)

And then Reg chooses one. If no one's alignment is mod revealed tomorrow, we kill Reg

Anything we go with needs to be loud, so that we know if Reg followed through or not.

@Reg, can you ask if the above wish would be accepted

I plan on wishing to gain the innocent child ability.

If reg chooses it, it will make me a confirmed townie that the scum team cannot kill directly

On further thought, I am adjusting my ideal wish plans.

If we kill aaron, and he flips scum, then I think that Reg should grant a wish to reveal LLD's alignment.

If I am wrong, and aaron flips town, I would very much like the wish to go to revealing my alignment.

Reg said that we had to wish in twilight, so I think that both wishes should be submitted, and then Reg can use the flip to decide who to grant

this is a role madness game. We cannot not kill just because people claim to have roles. Everyone has them.

If people are scared off of the Aaron wagon, then

I will be submitting a wish for Aaron's alignment to be revealed to the thread

.

Well, LLD, do you see why that would worry me?

Because from my pov, the Aaron wagon was gaining steam. And then two people stepped up to derail it. Norwee... and you.

Norwee, by coming up with contrived ways to argue against it and appearing to take a devil's advocate approach. And you by hard shifting the focus onto Norwee. Both before his claim.

Please explain how your logic tracks. Your logic here implies I am somehow... Bussing Norwee to save Aaron?

If so please vote Norwee and

if he flips wcum

you can have Aaron tomorrow for all I care.

No, I meant that unrelated to Norwee, you could have been trying to save Aaron. And Norwee was the pivot point. So, I was asking you the same questions I was asking Norwee. Which was to state a read on Aaron if you were gonna be derailing the Aaron wagon.

The "we can kill Aaron,

if Norwee flips scum

" line from you right here did not exactly help that feeling :/

but fine. I don't have the votes for Aaron anyways

VOTE: Norwee

I will be wishing for Aaron's alignment to be revealed.

Secondly, I claimed hider to her before the idea of Reg being able to grant wishes was in the thread. So this also feels like off "Hider claim is an excellent way not to die even after being confirmed" I claimed hider before I knew I could be confirmed. (Claimed hider at LLD in post 126. Reg claiming to grant wishes 421)

And finally, I think that this suspicion coming from her is more hair raising then coming from anyone else, because SHE was already the person in the "Reevaluate the night before ELO/MELO player." At least in my mind.

I concur that it's likely town and should not be tested until elo minus one day or melo.

All of that being said, I still don't understand why scum!LLD would divert the Aaron wagon, or why she would push me day 1 instead of just planning for Kakeguri to kill me. But, those are the reasons why I had a gut negative reaction to her posts.

~~~

SirCakez (and LLD again a little bit)

I am heavily suspicious of BOTH of them claiming to wish for me+LLD to be parity copped, but then that wish not making it to Reg. The mod confirmed that that wish (if made by me) would have been accepted. I also hate that both posted after I asked, and neither has responded.

I somewhat agree with Kilga's point about the Kakeguri wagon. The things that stands out to me were:

He had already stated a scum read on Kakeguri before getting cold feet on joining (+scum)
[I was actually leaning town on them, and almost made a town casing post, but decided that the read was not strong enough and that there was not enough time to stop it anyways ]
But, he never actually suggested a different wagon which he preferred (+town imo)

ATM, my Cakez read is a bit up in the air, and I think that figuring out his wish situation and figuring out his cryptic message about me would influence it quite a bit

~~~
Sanae:

Her role is confirmable, via getting Aaron's results on Cakes, AND Cakes results. So, I do not think that she is fake claiming here.

Out side of that though, my brain has retained zero thoughts on her slot, and I do not really have a read here.

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General:

I think that Yukari, Reg, and Norwee are town.

Gamma kind of feels like he started buddying me after I got confirmed, but he got on the Kakeguri wagon real early, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

GTH, LLD is still town, but should be re-evaluated at Elo minus 1 or at Melo. Melo is actually better, if we end on Evens, because she does not mess with the player counts. Elo minus 1, I think that it is a hard re-eval on her, but she should always die in MElo because it is just always better then No Killing that day.

[Lukewarm]

Hello - sorry I could not stay in this game, but I did kinda follow along.

I am curious why cakes thought I did not give him money, because I definitely did. Much confusion on my part when that started happening, and then apparently strangmatter did not know that I said yes to help clear it up.

[Lukewarm]

Gamma, I agree that norwee should not have self hammered in Elo - but imo, norwee was obvious town. I thought he was townier then you walking into this day phase, and was surprised that you were the one given hammer power lol

[Lukewarm]

Also, pooky, you did great!

I really thought you had no path to victory until you somehow managed to get the town to kill lld. Was impressive lol

[Lukewarm]

Well, there were many lessons learned today, though I will say Eternity Larva was definitely a fun role despite initially sounding terrible.

Yeah I loved it, once I mulled over the possibilities.

You really have to juggle the protective and the investigative parts of the role.

Although, reading along I was sure that I would never have hidden behind reg. I would have gone for either gamma or for seanae for the investigation result on them.

[Lukewarm]

Still a little annoyed that Norweegian was eliminated at all.

Hard to be too upset when the votes on him were scum + himself lmao

(Although it did look like gamma would have ended up there anyways)

[Lukewarm]

Oh, Aaron is why cakez didn't get my money lol

[Lukewarm]

Please wake up from your arrogance, because you cost the game. You legitimately thought that Norwee could be scum here when they could have killed and won the game point blank.

I was not following super closely - I forgot that norwee was mech cleared x.x

[Lukewarm]

I feel bad for leaving, and it was also a bit frustrating to watch the thread decide to kill off my entire list of town reads like it was a hit list or something lmao

General:

I think that

Yukari

, Reg, and

Norwee

are town.
....
GTH,

LLD

is still town,

[Lukewarm]

Also, why am I getting crap when Norwee LITERALLY BABYRAGE SELF-HAMMERED IN ELO???

I agree that his self hammer was probably not the right play for him to make lmao

[Lukewarm]

Man, Aaron got hard pocketed by pooky in that pt lol