2235: Gensokyo ~ END ~

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Yes they were miller. I need to catch up a bit when it comes to this game so can I get a rundown so far outside of the reveals?

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Ok I'm just confused now because I was wondering why my slot said Miller...

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Actually Komachi doesn’t quite make sense? Idk if this is allowed or even 100% right but I believe Komachi gets the money from the dead not the living.

I feel like it may be Shion or Nitori as their flavor, maybe Reimu.

Also I was going to post this earlier but yeah.

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Just caught up actually. I noted something that it definitely did feel like using the situation with RPs as easy towncred even if what has been said against RPing in this game can be what they said. Of course Kaguri flipped red so there's that. Maybe there could be another scum but that seems somewhat unlikely.

I also noticed that my Lukewarm was arguing with LLD for quite a bit and then later goes to townread and then Lukewarm gets confirmed and we all know his role as well. Don't remember if Lukewarm ever said what his flavor is during this game, or maybe I skipped over it without knowing.

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English is hard but I don't disagree that RPing can be a distraction for sure but also is very easy town cred if you ask me that early on.

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Would’ve rather had Lukewarm not have done what he did but so I would be hopefully targeted by scum at some point.

Also side note I laugh a little every time I look at the character image with my role. No offense to whoever made it I just find it funny.

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Seeing as how Yukari seemed to have some kind of finger of suspicion on Sanae for day one, has anything changed since then @Yukari Yakumo?

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It’s impossible for me to get engaged right now cus there’s so little posting.
So if anyone is wondering why i’m low energy it’s that.

I don't like this post much. A game with very little discussion going on means people aren't willing to engage in the game, I know that. But it's means that you yourself aren't willing to make anything in this game either and it drags everything down more. Then it also feels like they're making an excuse to not engage in any form of discussion with this game.

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btw if we are having a hard time reaching a consensus we should at least agree on two people to lim beforehand.
I do want gamma’s ability used.

Wait, why are you asking for Gamma's ability to be used when he never claimed a role?

Also, not sure what to think about Kilgamayan still silently supporting the theory that my slot can be mafia godfather. Maybe it could be they are scum having me as an option as a vote later but there's also his townread so I can't really tell if he as scum could even do a 180 from this.

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Oh right, skimming over I didn't see Gamma's claim.

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Actually with Cakez claiming today I really don't want to vote him out.

UNVOTE:

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Well right now I feel like Kilga is a fine vote for right now. LLD and Cakez hasn't revealed everything about their role so far, so I really don't want to eliminate either of them right now.

VOTE: Kilga

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We have 8 hours left, let's get a consensus on who to vote please?

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If Kilga flips red I absolutely wouldn’t get it if LLD (last I checked) if he is scum would be a part of the godfather stuff.

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Uh what???

Am I just completely wrong about the LLD thing? Well fuc there goes my reason for wanting to make this voting AAAA.

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Idk, I can’t make heads or tails of what 1349 is actually saying

Simply it was I thinking that if Kilga does flip red it seems pretty likely LLD is going to be town. Most of this is based on both what I remember seeing posts about both having something to do with people believing my slot’s role could be Mafia Godfather.

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Two hours to eliminate someone is quite something.

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Let's use it shall we? Gamma is probably town lol.

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Wow I really misread that one huh.

I'm a doctor btw. I can only protect from a single kill though.

We really are all massclaiming today lol.

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I mean you're essentially a VT at this point yes? So can you give me a reason why do you care about not being voted out?

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Wait what why are we voting Reg who the only thing we DON'T know is their alignment but know their role?

Yukari, can you say what your flavor is?

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I'd rather you say what your flavor is but I'm guessing Eirin.

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I still don't get why the sudden pivot onto Reg just because we can't vote out Yukari.

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Specifically to Reg, which I'm just assuming, just confirmed from a wish that Aaron and Lukewarm were both town.

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First, why would you confirm an argument is TvT, and also confirm one? That just doesn't make sense as scum unless scum wanted to specifically play into that.

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Well Gamma is confirmed to be Keine since it lines up with his description of the role.

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VOTE: Sanae

I still want to vote out Yukari today though. Just something about how they answered doesn't sit right with me.

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You know what? Screw that I'm going back to Yukari.

VOTE: Yukari

By the way is it majority or necessary we need a hammer?

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I don't think we have enough active people even realistically vote someone out anymore.

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Unless Gamma you really want to eliminate Reg today.

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Actually we're on E-2 not E-1 so that's not very helpful.

What we really need is someone who isn't active right now to show up in the next hour or we wasted this opportunity.

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It would be nice if just about anyone else were here so we could at least vote someone out but I guess not.

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Great and we have no vote.

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I really want Norwee to target Yukari, but I'm also just questioning, does this role's ability work on NKs?

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Speaking of, Yukari are you OS or are you just regular? Like looking back to me it looks like you implied that.

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I wouldn't be saying who you pick, though idk why Lukewarm didn't accept the yen when he was in this game.

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I get the feeling we can easily win this game now. Plus I have some information from I believe N3 that I couldn't say yesterday for what I'll say now. Norweegian did not use any abilities during that night, specifically because I just realized what my role CAN do. I am Eternity Larva, a hider with the added ability that if my target doesn't make an action I cannot use my ability which I couldn't use N4.

I don't see why Norweegian as scum would just decide to not use an ability, but yeah looking back I now think if Norweegian claims who he targetted tonight we get around what I consider three confirms today.

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And by that I'm just assuming Norweegian used his doctor ability on Yukari, but imagine how insane would it be if he intentionally didn't use anything N3 and then N4 blocks and kills SirCakez.

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Lmao I was typing fast, I mean his essentially a RoleBlock.

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Idk maybe it was Night 2.

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LMAO I'm sorry it's N1 that they did nothing not N2 or N3, I'm just bad.

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Really bad at saying things but I couldn't do anything last night. I also know that Norweegian at least once didn't take an action.

Lmao I'm sorry but it's really early in the morning.

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How the nights have worked just make this unnecessarily confusing.

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Ignore everything said on the last page because that is the probably the best way to say it.

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About the information I have, at least.

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Hang on, you claimed doctor Yukari, who did you target last night?

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Secondly, why do you think it's not LLD?

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I think the only way Gamma is even possible to be scum to me is if he made things a double day just to get the town credit that from a mistake that was intended to be a pro town play. Seems very unlikely.

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I looked through LLD, Kilga, and Kake's posts and it really makes me wonder if LLD could've been scum setting up for Kilga as their partner to suggest that godfather exists.

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I mean like they set up the suggestion that godfather existed, but it could just be that scum jumped onto what LLD did as town.

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Oh yeah before someone even try to attempt to wiggle their way out of answering this with "I don't do mech play," if the plan is sound and does lead to town auto-win scum certainly will not want this plan to come to fruition. If too many people refuse to even consider the plan (2 is too many already), it will only create a spot for scum to hide behind. Therefore, I'm doing this to fish out the last scum as well. So if you are town I highly suggest you comply and play this little game with me.

What. You just defeated the purpose of this post already by saying it out loud. Never say it out loud until after.

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Gamma is correct, my role, Frail Hider, cannot act the next night if my target did not take an action. In a way I technically could count myself as a similar to a BP Tracker. Hoping we can do something with this actually with Yukari.

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That is if we believe Yukari is doctor.

I can take an action tonight since last night I couldn’t.

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Actually I’m going to look at my role again for a second, trying to see if this will work how I think it does.

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Yup it does work. So I think even if Yukari dies this is fine. If Yukari docs my target, Norwee targets another, we have both a track and essentially a JK tonight.

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Well I don’t think we know their flavor until they comes back.

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I still don’t think Norwegian is scum, since I specifically know that Norwegian has at least not taken one action, which I really can’t see how scum Norwee just decides to not use their ability with no multitasking and Kilga just NKs.

Actually Lukewarm’s claim earlier adds unnecessary wiform, since scum saw the claim if I remember right.


I’m not familiar with Motion Tracker btw, I just know if they used an action or not if I can use my ability.

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I'm sorry but I read the wiki and I don't quite get Ascetic?

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Yes please, this shouldn’t have gone on for two pages.

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Still, relatively speaking I can't think of a single flavor (in Touhou) that would make sense to have Ascentic on them? Like looking at the claimed and roles that have been flipped they all roles have something to do with their character/flavor.

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So all of you agree to eat crow like I did when I flip town huh?

No.

Can you say if losing your BP is an action or not?

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Not entirely, I’m still wondering why Sanae would bring up Ascentic though.

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Not entirely, I’m still wondering why Sanae would bring up Ascentic though.

So why would the scum kill SirCakes instead of NorwegianBoy?

The real question is why SirCakes over Yukari, who by the way, claimed Doctor. Killing Norweegian is just not going to work out if you ask me. As scum, I tend to know when I can and cannot kill someone, so it's reasonable to assume that Yukari would protect Norweegian and then decide to kill elsewhere.

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The most logical kill there would be killing Yukari, unless it's just assuming they wanted us to kill Yukari since she did not die when she claimed.

Also it makes zero sense why Yukari would protect Gamma tho? That just seems like baiting into NKing Norwee and Yukari saves so no kills could've happened.

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WIM? What's WIM?

Sanae, has Aaron said anything?

Also looking through Kilga's iSO I noted they had been reading Sanae as scum for quite a bit of this? Take this as you will but considering he flipped red it kind of seems possible as intentional.

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Kilga’s D2 play also makes me think it’s Sanae
He also asked LLD a question that’s rather weird to ask a partner I think

Can you please quote or at least give a post number for this?

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Like I still think game ends between Sanae/Gamma.

I can see scum-Sanae literally going gung ho and take LLD out before conceding just for flex.
I can see scum-Gamma just floating around with 0 hope but just not conceding already because he thinks it’s against the rules.

Ok so explain to me how the double day works into Gamma conceding at some point. He would be in a decent spot tomorrow no?

Also if Norwee was multitasking I’d know, since Norwee would’ve taken an action and looking back I realized Lukewarm didn’t mention he was Frail Hider, just that there is a rule for either of us to not be able to act twice.

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Tomorrow and today I can’t see why you’d concede and ask about breaking a rule.

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Idk I was typing fast. Maybe we are just overthinking this game lol.

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I still don't get why do you believe that LLD is town, and Gamma is possible as scum.

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I really want to reduce my pool to 2 though.
Because today is going to be LLD mislim and I can’t seem to stop that from happening.

That's...very unhelpful can you give me a comprehensive reason as to why you believe LLD is town and the decision on voting them is a miselim/why it is bad to be voting them out?

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Why do you keep pushing for Gamma? So your reason is because you have a pool of two people, and how they acted is due to the circumstances scum is acting dejected correct? I find that second part to be a little weird, I know reactions can definitely point to an alignment, but it's very rare that scum actually ends up showing their emotions from how scum views this game.

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I reckon with how we aren't able to vote someone that scum is intentionally is doing this.

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Which I know is probably useless since it encompasses most people in this game.

Gamma is just a straight waste of a vote since how I believe his role works is probably OS (I mean why would you give someone infinite double days?), so if I'm correct has no other actions. Plus we can confirm him over the night.

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I reckon with how we aren't able to vote someone that scum is intentionally is doing this.

Which scum, exactly? there's one left. So you think scum is influencing... what? how?

It isn't multiple people since we know there's three mafia and two are dead. It's not influencing exactly. It's more like they're taking part of it and trying to make things undecided.


Yukari's push on Gamma just is so weird to me but doesn't make sense that scum pushes something like this just outright with this kind of reasoning and also believes that LLD is town. It's still very odd though.

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What is Gamma's role again?

Gamma is Keine, who has a double day ability. Guessing or maybe he said this but they are probably One-Shot.

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So what I’m thinking is maybe we can track the people who don’t have a night action such as Sanae, LLD, or maybe Gamma (still think he’s town but who am I to say especially since last time).

Also yeah it doesn’t sound at all like what Sanae is.

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You are lying about the name of your actual flavor lol.

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That’s if you continue to claim to be the “Sanae” flavor.

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So what I’m thinking is maybe we can track the people who don’t have a night action such as Sanae, LLD, or maybe Gamma (still think he’s town but who am I to say especially since last time).

Also yeah it doesn’t sound at all like what Sanae is.

uh what
I was town in PYP

What? ...How does that prove that you are town here?

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So what I’m thinking is maybe we can track the people who don’t have a night action such as Sanae, LLD, or maybe Gamma (still think he’s town but who am I to say especially since last time).

Also yeah it doesn’t sound at all like what Sanae is.

uh what
I was town in PYP

What? ...How does that prove that you are town here?

it seems like you're paranoid of me because of that newbie, but you now havea direct sample of my towngame to look at

I mean is it really wrong to be paranoid since then? Also the game you're talking about is the one I subbed into and played a little bit before getting shot.

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I don't see why eliminating LLD makes the most sense here. So here's what I think, if I target and Yukari docs LLD, sure they could kill me if they were ascentic (which I don't think exists) and if I do get no result and a kill does happen then we eliminate them.

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What is the point of Yukari protecting LLD? LLD already has protection via her own role.

Right. So then they protect Norwee and hope that LLD's protection is legitimate no?

I feel like the most likely here though to really be a scum claiming is Yukari (Doctor when we don't know the roles can be an easy scum claim). Actually thinking about it it can be similar if we play this with or without doctor. LLD is (what we assume) as a bulletproof role, and Norwee today can say who they target for this night and confirm them or catch scum of Gamma and Sanae, who don't have actions this night if I'm correct about this.

The main difference here though is that Norwee could die yet we'd still have the same amount of confirmed with one more if we don't do this.

Anyways VOTE: Yukari

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Sorry, only one more confirmed.

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I will repeat again.

I will be on Reg tonight.
SM should be on Reg.
Norwee

PICKS

a target to delay from Sanae/Gamma and announce it in thread before the thread locks.

If Norwee dies tonight, turbo-lim me tomorrow.

Hang on why are we trying to confirm Reg here???

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I still don’t think Norwegian is scum, since I specifically know that Norwegian has at least not taken one action, which I really can’t see how scum Norwee just decides to not use their ability with no multitasking and Kilga just NKs.

Hmm you're right actually. There is 0 chance Kilga made a nightkill N1.

Looking back I just realized that D1 Norwee used their ability during the day which is to get the host to say anything they wanted the host to say, so Norwee didn't have any other actions.

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I still don’t think Norwegian is scum, since I specifically know that Norwegian has at least not taken one action, which I really can’t see how scum Norwee just decides to not use their ability with no multitasking and Kilga just NKs.

Hmm you're right actually. There is 0 chance Kilga made a nightkill N1.

Looking back I just realized that D1 Norwee used their ability during the day which is to get the host to say anything they wanted the host to say, so Norwee didn't have any other actions.

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I can use either an day or night ability. And they don’t have anything to do with each other.

Right, so you can only use one or the other no?

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One thing I wanted to point out is that Norwegian would've won if they were scum the day before, and would be throwing, with no kills happening kind of confirmed Norweegian as town.

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Also, Sanae was the one who brought up twice things that were inherently not true much like Kilga implying I was Godfather (I wasn't) where they throw in "What if they are X?" such as with the Acetic and JOAT, both of which did not exist and the JOAT was already dead.

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That loss was basically all on Norwee at the end for getting pissed at reasonable doubt.
Also we would’ve won Day 4 if y’all idiots didn’t try to vote me out! I was basically all but voting Sanae until that happened.

I dunno about anyone else, but it felt more like at one point you sounded like you didn't read a into Sanae as much and focused entirely on Norweegian, but since it was never said I can't really say other than what I observed.

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Well, there were many lessons learned today, though I will say Eternity Larva was definitely a fun role despite initially sounding terrible.

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Still a little annoyed that Norweegian was eliminated at all.

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Me hiding behind Reg was actually to do two things. Confirm they are town and therefore confirm Norwegian as well. Second was the actual mistake of assuming Yukari was doctor which she wasn’t and that’s the last time I trust Doctor claims in Upick lmao.

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Otherwise, before claiming doctor confirm it is doctor and not something else so things like that don’t happen.

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Focusing on reads is good and all but it sometimes ends up ignoring important mechanics.